Re: Stupid Americans! -- Stupid... Stupid... STUPID!!! __________==___ anexhywa
Eric Johnson
"Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co"
<Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co> wrote:
>
> Don’t you care what the rest of the world thinks of you?
Not when it comes to -our- elections.
May we vote in yours?
I thought not.
ej
Eric Johnson
"Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co"
<Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co> wrote:
> You blithering idiots! You re-elected that imbecile George Bush as your
> President.
> He’s a complete moron and so are most of you!
Some kid from Athens, GA, killed himself because of rhetoric like yours.
You have his blood on your hands.
ej
Eric Johnson
"Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co"
<Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co> wrote:
> Don’t you care what impact
> American foreign policy has on the rest of the planet?
I do. What is your complaint?
We would love your help in solving world problems.
But you haven't the resources, have you.
So you are willing to let mass murder by a rogue government continue?
Your name Neville?
ej
Eric Johnson
"Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co"
<Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co> wrote:
> Does Iraq look like a success
> to anyone?
Not yet. Does Kosovo? Bosnia Herzegovina? Haiti?
How about Germany and Japan?
ej
Eric Johnson
"Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co"
<Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co> wrote:
> Doesn’t it bother you that he’s alienated every friend you have?
It bother's me that you say this lie.
France and Germany are not our only friends.
And they are currently in line.
But there were 30 other nations involved, even though the usa is the only
country besides Britain and Australia which could contribute more than token
support.
And yet you apparently would like the killing machine back on the throne in
Iraq.
Check out the history of Uday and Cusay Hussein, and what kind of lives they
lived at the expense of the lives of those around them and various torture
subjects, political heretics, and just plain funny-lookin' people.
It take a lot to fill mass graves.
Nice morals you have, sir.
ej
Eric Johnson
"Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co"
<Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co> wrote:
> Prior to this, it was American policy and the American government that was so
> universally
> hated around the world.
Simply a lie. You may hate the usa, but you are -not- empowered to assign
than hatred to 5.5 billion other people.
The arrogance of the presumption that you can, or that everybody in the
world hates the usa is not supportable by evidence, and it is just a firmly
held opinion by you and some other moronic leftists and religious radicals.
ej
Eric Johnson
"Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co"
<Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co> wrote:
> Now it's going to be 'Americans' we hate.
Good.
A simple declaration of -your- hatred on record.
Why would you hate all Americans, anyway? According to some only 25% of the
people eligible which excludes all those under 18, voted to return GW Bush.
Why hate everyone else?
Why hate at all? Do you have that much extra energy after taking care of
your responsibilities in life?
What did we do to deserve your hatred in the first place?
Why should America and the American Government be hated in any case?
Because they disagree with you or stand for other things than you believe?
Well big fucking deal!
Who did and made you judge of all that is right and true in the world?
ej
Eric Johnson
"Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co"
<Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co> wrote:
> More sympathy
> for Bin Laden... More attacks on American institutions... More isolation.
Right. Sympathy for a mass murderer.
From you I guess?
What did those people do to deserve your or Bin Laden's wrath?
And while we are at it...
What could we do to get on your good side?
Give me a list, not a rage.
ej
Eric Johnson
"Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co"
<Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co> wrote:
> More isolation.
Oh? People gonna stop drinking coke? Going to Mcdonald's?
> How blind
> can you dumb rednecks in middle-America be
Nice name calling. Is your position so vapid, so utterly worthless that you
have to cast your opponents as something less than you are intellectually or
otherwise?
Do you actually see yourself as superior to those who cast a vote for Bush?
How did you achieve this, divine right of Kings or something?
>not to see this
We do see that some people are frustrated and a small percentage of those
cannot deal in normal ways with their frustration.
So they become murderers, plain and simple.
Do you really side with people who will kidnap and behead innocent people
with masks over their faces like KKK?
Are you too blinded with unjustified rage to see the barbarism of these
people?
ej
Eric Johnson
"Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co"
<Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co> wrote:
>
> If you get hit again, or your economy goes into a deep depression, the
> American
> people will be getting exactly what they deserve
Did not happen before, why would it happen again?
The usa is so big and its economic resources so widespread and diverse that
it would take control of the soviet nuclear capability to do what you
suggest.
And the who is going to have sympathy for Bin Laden?
You?
Will an obliterated usa be good or bad for the earth?
You do like nuclear winter, right.
ej
Eric Johnson
"Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co"
<Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co> wrote:
>
> <back turned>
> -
> -
Fuck you, too.
Ej
tlagiloi
the average person has no power to right this wrong......
and the numbers counted in Kerry's favor in spite of the hacking
showed over 53 million voted against Bush........
so there's at least 53 million+ people that agree with you.....
or....
in other words.......shut the f*ck up till you have something
intelligent to say.....or you can do something to actually change
the condition.
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Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked
>
> Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked
> By Thom Hartmann
> CommonDreams.org
>http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm
> Saturday 06 November 2004
>
> When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.
>
> "It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.
>
> And some believe evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004.
>
> The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling.
>
> While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios largely matched the Kerry/Bush vote, in Florida's counties using results from optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - the results seem to contain substantial anomalies.
>
> In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.
>
> In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.
>
> The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the counties where optical scanners were used. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush.
>
> Yet in the touch-screen counties, where investigators may have been more vigorously looking for such anomalies, high percentages of registered Democrats generally equaled high percentages of votes for Kerry. (I had earlier reported that county size was a variable - this turns out not to be the case. Just the use of touch-screens versus optical scanners.)
>
> More visual analysis of the results can be seen at http://us together.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm, and www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm. Note the trend line - the only variable that determines a swing toward Bush was the use of optical scan machines.
>
> One possible explanation for this is the "Dixiecrat" theory, that in Florida white voters (particularly the rural ones) have been registered as Democrats for years, but voting Republican since Reagan. Looking at the 2000 statistics, also available on Dopp's site, there are similar anomalies, although the trends are not as strong as in 2004. But some suggest the 2000 election may have been questionable in Florida, too.
>
> One of the people involved in Dopp's analysis noted that it may be possible to determine the validity of the "rural Democrat" theory by comparing Florida's white rural counties to those of Pennsylvania, another swing state but one that went for Kerry, as the exit polls there predicted. Interestingly, the Pennsylvania analysis, available at http://ustogether.org/election04/PA_vote_patt.htm, doesn't show the same kind of swings as does Florida, lending credence to the possibility of problems in Florida.
>
> Even more significantly, Dopp had first run the analysis while filtering out smaller (rural) counties, and still found that the only variable that accounted for a swing toward Republican voting was the use of optical-scan machines, whereas counties with touch-screen machines generally didn't swing - regardless of size.
>
> Others offer similar insights, based on other data. A professor at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, noted that in Florida the vote to raise the minimum wage was approved by 72%, although Kerry got 48%. "The correlation between voting for the minimum wage increase and voting for Kerry isn't likely to be perfect," he noted, "but one would normally expect that the gap - of 1.5 million votes - to be far smaller than it was."
>
> While all of this may or may not be evidence of vote tampering, it again brings the nation back to the question of why several states using electronic voting machines or scanners programmed by private, for-profit corporations and often connected to modems produced votes inconsistent with exit poll numbers.
>
> Those exit poll results have been a problem for reporters ever since Election Day.
>
> Election night, I'd been doing live election coverage for WDEV, one of the radio stations that carries my syndicated show, and, just after midnight, during the 12:20 a.m. Associated Press Radio News feed, I was startled to hear the reporter detail how Karen Hughes had earlier sat George W. Bush down to inform him that he'd lost the election. The exit polls were clear: Kerry was winning in a landslide. "Bush took the news stoically," noted the AP report.
>
> But then the computers reported something different. In several pivotal states.
>
> Conservatives see a conspiracy here: They think the exit polls were rigged.
>
> Dick Morris, the infamous political consultant to the first Clinton campaign who became a Republican consultant and Fox News regular, wrote an article for The Hill, the publication read by every political junkie in Washington, DC, in which he made a couple of brilliant points.
>
> "Exit Polls are almost never wrong," Morris wrote. "They eliminate the two major potential fallacies in survey research by correctly separating actual voters from those who pretend they will cast ballots but never do and by substituting actual observation for guesswork in judging the relative turnout of different parts of the state."
>
> He added: "So, according to ABC-TVs exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and Iowa, all of which Bush carried. The only swing state the network had going to Bush was West Virginia, which the president won by 10 points."
>
> Yet a few hours after the exit polls were showing a clear Kerry sweep, as the computerized vote numbers began to come in from the various states the election was called for Bush.
>
> How could this happen?
>
> On the CNBC TV show "Topic A With Tina Brown," several months ago, Howard Dean had filled in for Tina Brown as guest host. His guest was Bev Harris, the Seattle grandmother who started www.blackboxvoting.org from her living room. Bev pointed out that regardless of how votes were tabulated (other than hand counts, only done in odd places like small towns in Vermont), the real "counting" is done by computers. Be they Diebold Opti-Scan machines, which read paper ballots filled in by pencil or ink in the voter's hand, or the scanners that read punch cards, or the machines that simply record a touch of the screen, in all cases the final tally is sent to a "central tabulator" machine.
>
> That central tabulator computer is a Windows-based PC.
>
> "In a voting system," Harris explained to Dean on national television, "you have all the different voting machines at all the different polling places, sometimes, as in a county like mine, there's a thousand polling places in a single county. All those machines feed into the one machine so it can add up all the votes. So, of course, if you were going to do something you shouldn't to a voting machine, would it be more convenient to do it to each of the 4000 machines, or just come in here and deal with all of them at once?"
>
> Dean nodded in rhetorical agreement, and Harris continued. "What surprises people is that the central tabulator is just a PC, like what you and I use. It's just a regular computer."
>
> "So," Dean said, "anybody who can hack into a PC can hack into a central tabulator?"
>
> Harris nodded affirmation, and pointed out how Diebold uses a program called GEMS, which fills the screen of the PC and effectively turns it into the central tabulator system. "This is the official program that the County Supervisor sees," she said, pointing to a PC that was sitting between them loaded with Diebold's software.
>
> Bev then had Dean open the GEMS program to see the results of a test election. They went to the screen titled "Election Summary Report" and waited a moment while the PC "adds up all the votes from all the various precincts," and then saw that in this faux election Howard Dean had 1000 votes, Lex Luthor had 500, and Tiger Woods had none. Dean was winning.
>
> "Of course, you can't tamper with this software," Harris noted. Diebold wrote a pretty good program.
>
> But, it's running on a Windows PC.
>
> So Harris had Dean close the Diebold GEMS software, go back to the normal Windows PC desktop, click on the "My Computer" icon, choose "Local Disk C:," open the folder titled GEMS, and open the sub-folder "LocalDB" which, Harris noted, "stands for local database, that's where they keep the votes." Harris then had Dean double-click on a file in that folder titled "Central Tabulator Votes," which caused the PC to open the vote count in a database program like Excel.
>
> In the "Sum of the Candidates" row of numbers, she found that in one precinct Dean had received 800 votes and Lex Luthor had gotten 400.
>
> "Let's just flip those," Harris said, as Dean cut and pasted the numbers from one cell into the other. "And," she added magnanimously, "let's give 100 votes to Tiger."
>
> They closed the database, went back into the official GEMS software "the legitimate way, you're the county supervisor and you're checking on the progress of your election."
>
> As the screen displayed the official voter tabulation, Harris said, "And you can see now that Howard Dean has only 500 votes, Lex Luthor has 900, and Tiger Woods has 100." Dean, the winner, was now the loser.
>
> Harris sat up a bit straighter, smiled, and said, "We just edited an election, and it took us 90 seconds."
>
> On live national television. (You can see the clip on www.votergate.tv .) And they had left no tracks whatsoever, Harris said, noting that it would be nearly impossible for the election software - or a County election official - to know that the vote database had been altered.
>
> Which brings us back to Morris and those pesky exit polls that had Karen Hughes telling George W. Bush that he'd lost the election in a landslide.
>
> Morris's conspiracy theory is that the exit polls "were sabotage" to cause people in the western states to not bother voting for Bush, since the networks would call the election based on the exit polls for Kerry. But the networks didn't do that, and had never intended to.
>
> According to congressional candidate Fisher, it makes far more sense that the exit polls were right - they weren't done on Diebold PCs - and that the vote itself was hacked.
>
> And not only for the presidential candidate - Jeff Fisher thinks this hit him and pretty much every other Democratic candidate for national office in the most-hacked swing states.
>
> So far, the only national "mainstream" media to come close to this story was Keith Olbermann on his show Friday night, November 5th, when he noted that it was curious that all the voting machine irregularities so far uncovered seem to favor Bush. In the meantime, the Washington Post and other media are now going through single-bullet-theory-like contortions to explain how the exit polls had failed.
>
> But I agree with Fox's Dick Morris on this one, at least in large part. Wrapping up his story for The Hill, Morris wrote in his final paragraph, "This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. I suspect foul play."
>
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>
> Thom Hartmann (thom at thomhartmann.com) is a Project Censored Award-winning best-selling author and host of a nationally syndicated daily progressive talk show. www.thomhartmann.com. His most recent books are "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight," "We The People: A Call To Take Back America," and "What Would Jefferson Do?: A Return To Democracy."
Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co wrote:
>You blithering idiots! You re-elected that imbecile George Bush as your President.
>He’s a complete moron and so are most of you!
>-
>Don’t you care what the rest of the world thinks of you? Don’t you care what impact
>American foreign policy has on the rest of the planet? Does Iraq look like a success
>to anyone? Doesn’t it bother you that he’s alienated every friend you have?
>What were you thinking???
>-
>Prior to this, it was American policy and the American government that was so universally
>hated around the world. Now it's going to be 'Americans' we hate. More sympathy
>for Bin Laden... More attacks on American institutions... More isolation. How blind
>can you dumb rednecks in middle-America be, not to see this?
>-
>If you get hit again, or your economy goes into a deep depression, the American
>people will be getting exactly what they deserve!
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Victim_of_Amer...@cibvika.com.co wrote:
>You blithering idiots! You re-elected that imbecile George Bush as your President.
>He’s a complete moron and so are most of you!
MANY Americans were bamboozled into voting for him. They accepted lies
as truth. Many more KNEW they were lies and like him anyway--those are
the truly fucked up ones.
But a) MANY MANY of us did not vote for him and reject all he and his
administration stand for and will fight against their lies, theft,
torture and murder that they spread around the world.
Don't confuse "American" with "Bush" any more than all Germans in 1942
supported Hitler. It's not the nationality that matters as much as
what the individual is about.
And this time, there is increasing evidence that the "popular vote"
may have been tweaked by Diebold or others who shifted votes to help
Bush and the Senate.
Granted, though, as with any nation, this country has its share of
fucking idiots. Most of whom are too stupid to realize that, unless
they're very wealthy, voting for Bush will screw them.
George M. Carter
GMCarter
George M. Carter
**A Letter
I am writing this letter to the people in the red states in the middle
of the country -- the people who voted for George W. Bush. I am
writing this letter because I don't think we know each other.
So I'll make an introduction. I am a New Yorker who voted for John
Kerry. I used to live in California, and if I still lived there, I
would vote for Kerry. I used to live in Washington, DC, and if I
still lived there, I
would vote for Kerry. Kerry won in all three of those regions.
Maybe you want to know more about me. Or maybe not; maybe you think
you
know me already. You think I am some anti-American anarchist because
I
dislike George W. Bush. You think that I am immoral and anti-family,
because I support women's reproductive freedom and gay rights. You
think
that I am dangerous, and even evil, because I do not abide by your
religious beliefs.
Maybe you are content to think that, to write me off as a "liberal" --
the dreaded "L" word -- and rejoice that your candidate has triumphed
over evil, immoral, anti-American, anti-family people like me. But
maybe you are still curious. So here goes: this is who I am.
I am a New Yorker. I was here, in my apartment downtown, on September
11th. I watched the Towers burn from the roof of my building. I went
inside so that I couldn't see them when they fell. I had friends who
were inside. I have a friend who still has nightmares about watching
people jump and fall from the Towers. He will never be the same.
How many people like him do you know? People that can't sit in a
restaurant without plotting an escape route, in case it blows up?
I am a worker. I work across the street from the Citigroup Center,
which the government told us is a "target" of terrorism. Later, we
found out they were relaying very old information, but it was already
too late. They had given me bad dreams again. The subway stop near
my office was crowded with bomb-sniffing dogs, policemen in heavy
protective gear, soldiers. Now,
every time I enter or exit my office, all of my possessions are
X-rayed to make sure I don't have any weapons. How often are you
stopped by a soldier with a bomb-sniffing dog outside your office?
I am a neighbor. I have a neighbor who is a 9/11 widow. She has two
children. My husband does odd jobs for her now, like building
bookshelves. Things her husband should do. He uses her husband's
tools, and the two
little girls tell him, "Those are our daddy's tools." How many 9/11
widows and orphans do you know? How often do you fill in for their
dead loved
ones?
I am a taxpayer. I worked my butt off to get where I did, and so did
my
parents. My parents saved and borrowed and sent me to college. I
worked my way through graduate school. I won a full tuition
scholarship to law school. All for the privilege of working 2,600
hours last year. That works out to a 50 hour week, every week,
without any vacation days at all. I get to work by 9 am and rarely
leave before 9 pm. I eat dinner at my office
much more often than I eat dinner at home. My husband and I paid over
$70,000 in federal income tax last year. At some point in the future,
we will have to pay much more -- once this country faces its deficit
and the impossible burden of Social Security. In fact, the areas of
the country
that supported Kerry -- New York, California, Illinois, Massachusetts
--
they are the financial centers of the nation. They are the tax base o
f this country. How much did you pay, Kansas? How much did you
contribute to this government you support, Alabama? How much of this
war in Iraq did you pay for?
I am a liberal. The funny part is, liberals have this reputation for
living in Never-Neverland, being idealists, not being sensible. But
let me tell you how I see the world: I see America as one nation in
a world of nations.. Therefore, I think we should try to get along
with other nations. I see that gay people exist. Therefore, I think
they should be allowed to exist, and be treated the same as other
people. I see ways in which women ar e not allowed to control their
own bodies. Therefore, I think we should give
women more control over their bodies. I see that people have awful
diseases. Therefore, I think we should enable scientists to try to
cure
them.. I see that we have a Constitution. Therefore, I think it
should be upheld. I see that there were no weapons of mass
destruction in Iraq.
Therefore, I think that Iraq was not an imminent danger t o me. It
seems so pragmatic to me. How do you see the world? Do you really
think voting
against gay marriage will keep people from being gay? Would you
really
prefer that people continue to die from Parkinson's disease? Do you
really not care about the Constitutional rights of political
detainees? Would you really have supported the war if you knew the
truth, or would you have
wanted to spend more of our money on health care, job training,
terrorism preparedness?
I am an American. I have an American flag flying outside my home. I
love my home more than anything. I love that I grew up right outside
New York City. I first went to the Statue of Liberty with my 5th
grade class, and my mom and dad took me to the Empire State Building
when I was 8. I love
taking the subway to Yankee Stadium. I loved living in Washington DC
and going on dates to the Lincoln Memorial. It is because I love
this country so much that I argue with my political opponents as much
I do. I am not safe. I never feel safe. My in-laws live in a small
town in Ohio, and that town has received more federal funding, per
capita, for terrorism preparedness than New York City has. I take
subways and buses every day. I work in a skyscraper across the
street from a "target." I have emergency supplies and a spare pair
of sneakers in my desk, in case somethng happens while I'm at work.
Do you? How many times a month do you worry that your subway is
going to blow up? When you hear sirens on the street, do you run to
the window to make sure everything is okay? When you hear an
airplane, do you flinch? Do you dread beautiful, blue-skied
September days? I don't know a single New Yorker who doesn't spend
the month of September on tip-toes, superstitiously praying for rain
so we don't have to relive that beautiful, blue-skied day.
I am lonely. I feel that we, as a nation, have alienated all our
friends and further provoked our enemies. I feel unprotected. Most
of all I feel alienated from my fellow citizens, because I don't
understand what you are thinking. You voted for a man who started a
war in Iraq for no reason,
against the wishes of the entire world. You voted for a man whose
lack of foresight and inability to plan has led to massive
insurgencies in Iraq,
where weapons are disappearing into the hands of terrorists. You
voted for a man who let Osama Bin Laden escape into the hills of
Afghanistan so that he could start that war in Iraq. You voted for a
man who doesn't want to let people love who they want to love;
doesn't want to let doctors cure
their patients; doesn't want to let women rule their destinies. I
don't
understand why you voted for this man. For me, it is not enough that
he is personable; it is not enough that he seems like one of the
guys. Why did you vote for him? Why did you elect a man that lied
to us in order to
convince us to go to war? (Ten years ago you were incensed when our
president lied about his sex life; you thought it was an impeachable
offense.) Why did you elect a leader who thinks that strength cannot
include diplomacy or international cooperaton? Why did you elect a
man who did nothing except run away and hide on September 11?
Most of all, I am terrified. I mean daily, I am afraid that I will
not
survive this. I am afraid that I will lose my husband, that I will
never have children, that I will never grow old and watch the sunset
in a backyard of my own. I am afraid that my career -- which should
end with a triumphant and good-natured roast at a retirement party in
2035 -- will be cut short by an attack on me and my colleagues, as we
sit sending emails and making phone calls one ordinary afternoon.
Is your life at stake? Are you terrified?
I don't think you are. I don't think you realize what you have done.
And if anything happens to me or the people I love, I blame you. I
wanted you to know that.
=
Eric Johnson
"GMCarter" <fi...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Here is a letter that reflects some of my sentiments.
> George M. Carter
>
> **A Letter
>
> I am writing this letter to the people in the red states in the middle
> of the country -- the people who voted for George W. Bush. I am
> writing this letter because I don't think we know each other.
Probably not.
>
> So I'll make an introduction. I am a New Yorker who voted for John
> Kerry. I used to live in California, and if I still lived there, I
> would vote for Kerry. I used to live in Washington, DC, and if I
> still lived there, I
>
> would vote for Kerry.
OK.
> Kerry won in all three of those regions.
>
OK
> Maybe you want to know more about me.
Yes, why would you support John Kerry?
> Or maybe not; maybe you think
> you
>
> know me already.
No, I don't I already said that.
> You think I am some anti-American anarchist because
> I
>
> dislike George W. Bush.
Not anti-American, Just under the influence of poor information.
> You think that I am immoral and anti-family,
> because I support women's reproductive freedom and gay rights.
I think no such thing. Where did you get this Idea? You listen to your sid's
propaganda too much.
You
> think
>
> that I am dangerous, and even evil, because I do not abide by your
> religious beliefs.
No, I do not think any such thing. I am secure in my beliefs and secure
enough to let you have your beliefs.
It is a free country.
>
> Maybe you are content to think that, to write me off as a "liberal" --
You seem to be labeling yourself here. Just because you don't like bush
means nothing about your politics or labels thereto.
> the dreaded "L" word
Trite. You can write better.
> -- and rejoice that your candidate has triumphed
> over evil, immoral, anti-American, anti-family people like me.
I am happy Bush won, but the other tripe is made up assumptions you have
about what I think of you. And you cold not be more wrong.
> But
> maybe you are still curious. So here goes: this is who I am.
>
> I am a New Yorker.
Me too, born in Buffalo.
> I was here, in my apartment downtown, on September
> 11th. I watched the Towers burn from the roof of my building. I went
> inside so that I couldn't see them when they fell. I had friends who
> were inside. I have a friend who still has nightmares about watching
> people jump and fall from the Towers.
> He will never be the same.
> How many people like him do you know?
I come from a family of commercial airline pilots, and I work in aviation
myself, though not as a pilot.
My father is retired, but my brother departed NYC in a 737-800 bound for Los
Angeles on September 10. Further, my brother, although high enough on the
seniority list to avoid lay-offs, has chosen to leave the cockpit and earn a
living with his law degree so that someone else won't have to be laid off.
I am as close to September 11 as anyone, OK?
> People that can't sit in a
> restaurant without plotting an escape route, in case it blows up?
Good general idea anyway.
>
> I am a worker.
Me two. I come from a family of them.
>I work across the street from the Citigroup Center,
> which the government told us is a "target" of terrorism.
I come from Nevada, where the Las Vegas Strip and other Casino areas have
been designated target areas. Muhammed Atta et al hug out there several
times and debauched.
> Later, we
> found out they were relaying very old information, but it was already
> too late. They had given me bad dreams again. The subway stop near
> my office was crowded with bomb-sniffing dogs, policemen in heavy
> protective gear, soldiers. Now,
Everyone is affected. Try to fly anywhere recently?
>
> every time I enter or exit my office, all of my possessions are
> X-rayed to make sure I don't have any weapons. How often are you
> stopped by a soldier with a bomb-sniffing dog outside your office?
It happens every time I fly, however I am living in amsterdam whhere last
week a Muslim extremist with Al Queda links shot and stabbed to death a
Dutch film maker on his bike on a street in the city.
The knife stabbed into the bodied held a 5-page declaration of jihad against
the Netherlands and a list of its government officials and personalities.
This happened not 1 mile from my home.
So the danger touches us all. Don't claim to have suffered any extra,
especially as it related to an anti bush tirade with massive assumption
making about those who voted for him.
>
> I am a neighbor.
Me, too. I live in an apartment building along the category 3 ils form
schiphol's Buitenveldertbaan, or runway 09-27. There are 12 floors and 6
apartments on the floor. So I have 71 neighbors.
> I have a neighbor who is a 9/11 widow.
I have a friend in Amsterdam who lost a close friend.
> She has two
> children. My husband does odd jobs for her now, like building
> bookshelves. Things her husband should do. He uses her husband's
> tools, and the two
>
> little girls tell him, "Those are our daddy's tools." How many 9/11
> widows and orphans do you know? How often do you fill in for their
> dead loved
>
> ones?
What does this have to do with Bush?
I have established that you have suffered no more than I. I watched the
second plane hit live. MY father flew the 767. I saw the buildings fall down
live. I was talking to my father at the time on the phone.
>
> I am a taxpayer. I worked my butt off to get where I did, and so did
> my
>
> parents.
So did we. Father 20 years in military, 30 years commercial airline pilot. 2
overseas tours, 1 in vietnam. Brother. USAFA graduate, 1985. Air force pilot
10 years. 1 Overseas deployment, Desert Storm. MBA, JD, Commercial Airline
Pilot with 12 years experience, attorney at commercial jet leasing company 7
years.
I am handicapped with a severe neuromuscular disease, and I write an
in-flight magazine for an airline group based here in Holland.
>My parents saved and borrowed and sent me to college.
Me to. Grad school, too.
I
> worked my way through graduate school.
Good for you.
> I won a full tuition
> scholarship to law school.
Good for you.
> All for the privilege of working 2,600
> hours last year.
Don't throw me in that briar patch. If I could work 2600 hours a year I
would be equally as productive as my brother, and I could add another
250,000 in income to support the family.
> That works out to a 50 hour week, every week,
> without any vacation days at all. I get to work by 9 am and rarely
> leave before 9 pm. I eat dinner at my office
Life is a bitch and then you die.
Try doing it with a muscle disease.
>
> them.. I see that we have a Constitution.
Me, too. But the Democrats and their incessant drug wars have reduced it to
a pile of ash.
> Therefore, I think it
> should be upheld.
Me, too.
> I see that there were no weapons of mass
> destruction in Iraq.
Not, yet discovered. However up until GW Bush became president, we were
assured by the Clinton Administration in the form of clinton and albright
that indeed there were WMD in Iraq.
>
> Therefore, I think that Iraq was not an imminent danger t o me.
SO you were willing to let the killing machine of Saddam, Uday, and Cusay to
just keep killing?
That is something that we can discuss the morality of.
> It
> seems so pragmatic to me.
Yes. It is someone else killing someone else, and its all very far away.
> How do you see the world?
In terms of right and wrong.
> Do you really
> think voting
>
> against gay marriage will keep people from being gay?
I did not vote against gay marriage. In any case, Kerry opposed gay
marriage. So why bring it up here?
Would you
> really
>
> prefer that people continue to die from Parkinson's disease?
There is a loaded question. I assume you are referring to stem cell
research?
Did it ever occur to you that some of is might disagree with bush on certain
issues, or do you see us as simpletons or automatons marching glassy-eyed to
some orders given via fax from Bus..ahh--Cheney?
Do you
> really not care about the Constitutional rights of political
> detainees?
I oppose the abuses under the post 9/11 circumstances. That is why we have
courts.
Why would you assume that we don't care about their rights when we care
about ours? We could be the one's jailed next, you know.
> Would you really have supported the war if you knew the
> truth, or would you have
I knew the truth, and so did you. WMD were in Iraq until the day that GWB
was elected. Check the papers of the time.
However the answer to your question is yes. There was a violent, rogue
killer regime in iraq which had already invaded two of its neighbors and
performed an attempted genocide on its own people.
That was reason enough.
The fact that you had to be sold on some other story except doing the right
thing by running to the rescue of fellow man in need, that is a moral
problem we could discuss.
>
> wanted to spend more of our money on health care, job training,
> terrorism preparedness?
All of the above. 2,000 billion dollars per year(at the federal level alone)
is not enough
>
> I am an American.
Me too.
> I have an American flag flying outside my home.
Me too. I also have 6 individual flags for individual flag waving.
Big deal.
> I
> love my home more than anything.
Me, too. Looks like we are not all that different.
> I love that I grew up right outside
> New York City.
I love that I grew up in the eastern end of the San Francisco /Sacramento
metropolitan area.
> I first went to the Statue of Liberty with my 5th
> grade class,
I first went when I was 11.
>and my mom and dad took me to the Empire State Building
> when I was 8.
My dad took me to the Chrysler Building in when I was 12.
I stood on the WTC look out in 1996.
I love
>
> taking the subway to Yankee Stadium.
I love subways, period. Amsterdam is Building a new line right now.
> I loved living in Washington DC
> and going on dates to the Lincoln Memorial.
My mom loved her time there, too, studying at the RNC's Campaign academy.
> It is because I love
> this country so much that I argue with my political opponents as much
> I do.
So far you have said only two things which require discussion. Neither
really involves Electing Bush.
>I am not safe.
Yes, you are.
> I never feel safe.
If this is the case, you may be suffering from a generalized anxiety
disorder. Medicine can help this easily.
> My in-laws live in a small
> town in Ohio, and that town has received more federal funding, per
> capita, for terrorism preparedness than New York City has.
Ridiculous statistic.
I take
> subways and buses every day. I work in a skyscraper across the
> street from a "target."
You are not forced to work there.
> I have emergency supplies and a spare pair
> of sneakers in my desk, in case somethng happens while I'm at work.
Good. You will make a good Mormon.
> Do you?
No. But my footwear requirements are special.
> How many times a month do you worry that your subway is
> going to blow up?
0
> When you hear sirens on the street, do you run to
> the window to make sure everything is okay?
No. Only when the siren stops in the neighborhood.
> When you hear an
> airplane, do you flinch?
No. I hope for a west or west southwest wind so the arrivals at schiphol
will use runway 27.
This brings planes 700 meters from my balcony.
I love it. I can see the movement of the control surfaces and I can judge
hi/lo too far left too far right.
And I am so moved when a large aircraft passes I shout out, "bitchin'," and
I have a great big smile on my face.
Our former HQ was right on the end of Runway 36r. The landing and departing
aircraft was one of the best, in fact the only good, things about the
building.
>Do you dread beautiful, blue-skied
> September days?
No. MY birthday is in september, and if it is still warm, you can water ski
on still blue sky days.
>I don't know a single New Yorker who doesn't spend
> the month of September on tip-toes, superstitiously praying for rain
> so we don't have to relive that beautiful, blue-skied day.
Then you all need help for PTSD.
>
> I am lonely.
Me, too. Do you have a sister in her late 30's or early 40's? I'm looking
for a wife.
> I feel that we, as a nation, have alienated all our
> friends
Living abroad in the middle of all that alleged alienation, I just don't
feel or see it.
> and further provoked our enemies.
I have news for you...they are self-provoking.
> I feel unprotected.
It really does seem like you need some professional help with this.
> Most
> of all I feel alienated from my fellow citizens, because I don't
> understand what you are thinking.
And we don't understand what you are talking about.
> You voted for a man who started a
> war in Iraq for no reason,
No, he did not. There were lots of reasons, and UN resolution 1441 which
gave us permission to do it.
>
> against the wishes of the entire world.
There was UN Resolution 1441, 12 years of ignored un demands and 14 months
of warning before invasion along with 30 other nations.
That is hardly against the wishes of the rest of the world.
Further, Germany and France and Belgium don't count as the rest of the
world.
> You voted for a man whose
> lack of foresight and inability to plan has led to massive
> insurgencies in Iraq,
In your humble opinion. How do you know this was not anticipated nor planned
for? It was pretty reasonable to expect.
>
> where weapons are disappearing into the hands of terrorists.
I thought terrorists had nothing to do with Iraq.
You
> voted for a man who let Osama Bin Laden escape into the hills of
> Afghanistan so that he could start that war in Iraq.
I your humble opinion.
> You voted for a
> man who doesn't want to let people love who they want to love;
That is a mischaracterization and you know it.
He only opposes marriage.
> doesn't want to let doctors cure
>
> their patients;
How is that? Is this guy some evil price or something?
> doesn't want to let women rule their destinies.
What are you talking about?
I
> don't
>
> understand why you voted for this man.
Because you have your head filled with a bunch of untrue propaganda.
You are the confused one, not us.
> For me, it is not enough that
> he is personable;
Who cares?
> it is not enough that he seems like one of the
> guys.
Again, who cares?
> Why did you vote for him?
A litany of reasons.
>Why did you elect a man that lied
> to us in order to
>
> convince us to go to war?
Because he knew you were unwilling to do the right thing and had to be sold
on some huge dangers to the us, which quite coincidentally, bill clinton and
his secretary of state said was the case in 1998 and everybody was in
agreement.
Why is it OK for Clinton to say there are WMD in Iraq and not for Bush?
They were using the same intelligence departments.
> (Ten years ago you were incensed when our
> president lied about his sex life; you thought it was an impeachable
> offense.)
1998 was 10 years ago?
> Why did you elect a leader who thinks that strength cannot
> include diplomacy or international cooperaton?
As far as I know, Bush has cancelled no international cooperative programs,
nor has he abandoned diplomacy. There were 14 months of intense diplomacy
before the liberation of Iraq.
> Why did you elect a
> man who did nothing except run away and hide on September 11?
I am told that this is not a criticism which sticks. What exactly should
bush have done on that morning?
Be specific.
>
> Most of all, I am terrified. I mean daily, I am afraid that I will
> not
>
> survive this.
Then I really suggest you need psychiatric help. PTSD is real and affects
people as you have described.
You may have to leave New York, but then you would have to live with us whom
you have already labeled bigoted religious intolerants who are stupid for
voting for someone you don't like.
> I am afraid that I will lose my husband, that I will
> never have children, that I will never grow old and watch the sunset
> in a backyard of my own.
The reelection of Bush does not represent the beginning of Armageddon, lady,
come on. Can't you see how overboard you are going here?
If you are really having these problems, I beg you to seek psychiatric help.
> I am afraid that my career -- which should
> end with a triumphant and good-natured roast at a retirement party in
> 2035
Which unless you are killed on the highway, you will almost certainly do.
> -- will be cut short by an attack on me and my colleagues, as we
> sit sending emails and making phone calls one ordinary afternoon.
Once again, seek help. This should not bother you so much.
> Is your life at stake?
No, and neither is yours.
> Are you terrified?
No. I refuse to live my life that way, and neither should you.
>
> I don't think you are.
No, I am not, Nor should I or you be. To be afraid is to let the terrorists
win...think about it...you are in terror.
I don't think you realize what you have done.
> And if anything happens to me or the people I love, I blame you.
Oh? The sociopaths who actually do the deeds are not to blame for their
actions, but people in the USA who voted for Bush are?
Don't you see how overboard you are with this sort of statement?
I
> wanted you to know that.
And that makes you mean spirited and hate filled.
To blame horrific deed on people who had nothing to do with said deeds is
irrational.
--
Eric R. Johnson
Eric Johnson
"GMCarter" <fi...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> But a) MANY MANY of us did not vote for him and reject all he and his
> administration stand for and will fight against their lies, theft,
> torture and murder that they spread around the world.
You are over the top, lady.
you think those of us who did not vote against bush are in some way
inferior.
We are not.
We don't say that to you, why should you say that to us?
Your side lost an election.
This does not represent the end of the world, as you seem to think.
The country survived 8 years of clinton and 4 years of Carter. It will
handle 4 years of Bush.
And guess what? Things might even get better.
If the economy were so bad, bush would have lost.
If the lies were actual lies and not a matter of opinion, he would have
lost.
If people wanted gay marriage, they would not have voted for -either- Kerry
or Bush, as their positions were the same.
If people wanted the military out of Iraq, they would not have voted for
-either- Kerry or Bush, as their positions were the same.
So I ask, Why would you want to elect Kerry except for your ginned-up,
unjustified hatred of Bush and people who did not vote against him.
What happens to a member of your family who did not vote against Bush?
ej
Eric Johnson
>
> Don't confuse "American" with "Bush" any more than all Germans in 1942
> supported Hitler. It's not the nationality that matters as much as
> what the individual is about.
So you are saying that Bush is equal to Hitler?
Can you not see how extreme this make you look?
Can you not see the harm done to the real victims of Hitler by making such a
specious comparison?
Where did you learn to hate so much?
Ej
Eric Johnson
>
> And this time, there is increasing evidence that the "popular vote"
> may have been tweaked by Diebold or others who shifted votes to help
> Bush and the Senate.
Uuuh ma'am.... Diebold does not produce the voting machines for every county
in the country or even a majority of them. They are used in a minority of
places.
Further, as elections are run by counties, of which there are about 10,000
in the USA. That means Bush would have had to buy off and rig 10,000
separate elections with the help of Diebold.
But diebold isn't that widespread.
This is a bunch of pure propaganda which went unanalyzed by you before you
made much a charge. Don't you feel foolish now?
ej
Eric Johnson
>
> Granted, though, as with any nation, this country has its share of
> fucking idiots. Most of whom are too stupid to realize that, unless
> they're very wealthy, voting for Bush will screw them
Nice regard you have for your fellow citizens. Why should anyone believe you
are more than a partisan hack after this comment?
ej
Eric Johnson
"tlagiloi" <tlag...@netscape.net> wrote:
> apparently Kerry was elected.......
No, he was not.
> the average person has no power to right this wrong......
> and the numbers counted in Kerry's favor in spite of the hacking
The hacking would have had to occur in all of the 10,000 counties in The
usa, most of which don't use hackable machinery.
> showed over 53 million voted against Bush........
There is no county or state with 53,000,000 people, and there is no popular
vote in the usa.
Next thing you'll try is that those who did not vote actually supported
kerry.
GroovyMaya
sickened by what he has done and his horrid actions abroad and am still
disgusted that the majority of the people here mindlessly believed him when he
played on people's emotions. (like when he exploits people's fears and feelings
on the terrorist attacks.)
But 48% of us did NOT vote him, and do not support him. Many of us know that he
is making us more the target of hatred even as he says he is making America
'safer.' We know Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with 9/11/01. But when we
speak against or object US actions abroad we are constantly told we are
"un-patriotic" or are somehow supporting terrorists. These are the tactics Bush
and his supporters used before the election and unfortunately too many people
believed it. We raised our voices in protest but did not make a big enough
noise.
I am often ashamed by the actions of my country but, please do not lump us all
together that way...that is the tactic Bush and his supporters use and look
where that has gotten everyone.
Jan den Hollander
NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE
To the citizens of the United States of America, In the light of your
failure to elect a competent President of the USA and thus to govern
yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your
independence, effective today.
Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties
over all states, commonwealths and other territories. Except Utah, which
she does not fancy. Your new prime minister (The Right Honourable Tony
Blair, MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that
there is a world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for
America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate
will be disbanded. A questionnaire will be circulated next year to
determine whether any of you noticed. To aid in the transition to a
British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with
immediate effect:
1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary.
Then look up "aluminium". Check the pronunciation guide. You will be
amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. The letter 'U'
will be reinstated in words such as 'favour' and 'neighbour', skipping
the letter 'U' is nothing more than laziness on your part. Likewise, you
will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters. You
will end your love affair with the letter 'Z' (pronounced 'zed' not
'zee') and the suffix "ize" will be replaced by the suffix "ise". You
will learn that the suffix 'burgh is pronounced 'burra' e.g. Edinburgh.
You are welcome to respell Pittsburgh as 'Pittsberg' if you can't cope
with correct pronunciation. Generally, you should raise your vocabulary
to acceptable levels. Look up "vocabulary". Using the same twenty seven
words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is
an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. Look up
"interspersed". There will be no more 'bleeps' in the Jerry Springer
show. If you're not old enough to cope with bad language then you
shouldn't have chat shows. When you learn to develop your vocabulary
then you won't have to use bad language as often.
2. There is no such thing as "US English". We will let Microsoft know on
your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take
account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of "-ize".
3. You should learn to distinguish the English and Australian accents.
It really isn't that hard. English accents are not limited to cockney,
upper-class twit or Mancunian (Daphne in Frasier). You will also have to
learn how to understand regional accents - Scottish dramas such as
"Taggart" will no longer be broadcast with subtitles. While we're
talking about regions, you must learn that there is no such place as
Devonshire in England. The name of the county is "Devon". If you persist
in calling it Devonshire, all American States will become "shires" e.g.
Texasshire, Floridashire, Louisianashire.
4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as the
good guys. Hollywood will be required to cast English actors to play
English characters. British sit-coms such as "Men Behaving Badly" or
"Red Dwarf" will not be re-cast and watered down for a wishy-washy
American audience who can't cope with the humour of occasional political
incorrectness.
4. You should relearn your original national anthem, "God Save The
Queen", but only after fully carrying out task 1. We would not want you
to get confused and give up half way through.
5. You should stop playing American "football". There is only one kind
of football. What you refer to as American "football" is not a very good
game. The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a world outside your
borders may have noticed that no one else plays "American" football. You
will no longer be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper
football. Initially, it would be best if you played with the girls. It
is a difficult game. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed
to play rugby (which is similar to American "football", but does not
involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar
body armour like nancies). We are hoping to get together at least a US
rugby sevens side by 2005. You should stop playing baseball. It is not
reasonable to host an event called the 'World Series' for a game which
is not played outside of America. Since only 2.15% of you are aware that
there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable.
Instead of baseball, you will be allowed to play a girls' game called
"rounders" which is baseball without fancy team strip, oversized gloves,
collector cards or hotdogs.
7. You will no longer be allowed to own or carry guns. You will no
longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous in public than
a vegetable peeler. Because we don't believe you are sensible enough to
handle potentially dangerous items, you will require a permit if you
wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.
8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 2nd will be a new
national holiday, but only in England. It will be called "Indecisive Day".
9. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and it is for your
own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we
mean. All road intersections will be replaced with roundabouts. You will
start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you
will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of
conversion tables. Roundabouts and metrication will help you understand
the British sense of humour.
10. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French
fries are not real chips. Fries aren't even French, they are Belgian
though 97.85% of you (including the guy who discovered fries while in
Europe) are not aware of a country called Belgium. Those things you
insist on calling potato chips are properly called "crisps". Real chips
are thick cut and fried in animal fat. The traditional accompaniment to
chips is beer which should be served warm and flat. Waitresses will be
trained to be more aggressive with customers.
11. As a sign of penance 5 grams of sea salt per cup will be added to
all tea made within the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, this quantity to
be doubled for tea made within the city of Boston itself.
12. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually
beer at all, it is lager. From November 1st only proper British Bitter
will be referred to as "beer", and European brews of known and accepted
provenance will be referred to as "Lager". The substances formerly known
as "American Beer" will henceforth be referred to as "Near-Frozen Knat's
Urine", with the exception of the product of the American Budweiser
company whose product will be referred to as "Weak Near-Frozen Knat's
Urine". This will allow true Budweiser (as manufactured for the last
1000 years in Pilsen, Czech Republic) to be sold without risk of confusion.
13. From November 10th the UK will harmonise petrol (or "Gasoline" as
you will be permitted to keep calling it until April 1st 2005) prices
with the former USA. The UK will harmonise its prices to those of the
former USA and the Former USA will, in return, adopt UK petrol prices
(roughly $6/US gallon - get used to it).
14. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns,
lawyers or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and
therapists shows that you're not adult enough to be independent. Guns
should only be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort
things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist then you're
not grown up enough to handle a gun.
15. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us crazy. Tax
collectorsfrom Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to
ensure the acquisition of all revenues due (backdated to 1776).
Thank you for your co-operation
Jan den Hollander
NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE
Jan den Hollander
NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE
GMCarter
wrote:
>On 11/8/04 1:18 PM, in article ipouo0p714do10ao3...@4ax.com,
>"GMCarter" <fi...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> But a) MANY MANY of us did not vote for him and reject all he and his
>> administration stand for and will fight against their lies, theft,
>> torture and murder that they spread around the world.
>
>
>You are over the top, lady.
Your opinion is noted. Have a nice day.
George M. Carter
emilyd
> On 11/8/04 1:18 PM, in article ipouo0p714do10ao3...@4ax.com,
> "GMCarter" <fi...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Don't confuse "American" with "Bush" any more than all Germans in 1942
> > supported Hitler. It's not the nationality that matters as much as
> > what the individual is about.
>
>
> So you are saying that Bush is equal to Hitler?
>
> Can you not see how extreme this make you look?
I have been reading these dialogues for awhile and want to ask a
question. There are many who feel Bush IS like Hitler, of course not
nearly as bad , but we are very alarmed. My question is why do SO
many Americans (say 48%) and a a good majority of the world have this
feeling? Why do we hate him? Why do so many hate him? What
justifies this? I could understand if it were just a small minority
but are we all extremist and nuts? And when you say "do you realize
how extreme you sound" ....that manipulation or argument is what
stops any change in America or, until now ,stops the left dead in
their tracks. Fear of being called extremists. They are NOT extreme
in their position and they are NOT extreme in their feelings about the
situation. We hope this does make us look extreme because this is an
extreme situation! Although I agree Bush is not Hitler I do feel
people see uncomfortable tendencies and the great fear is there are no
"allies" in the world to check him.
FYI
Eric Johnson
"GMCarter" <fi...@verizon.net> wrote:
But not respected.
Sorry I got your sex wrong.
Care to address any of the points?
Or are you such a poor loser?
ej
Eric Johnson
What does this mean then, taken from one of your posts? Your wife is posting
on your name?
>survive this. I am afraid that I will lose my -husband-, that I will
>never have children,
Care to address any of the points. I worked for two hours addressing your
and your wife's points.
Eric Johnson
Ju0kd.81219$OD2....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Jan den
Hollander" <j...@nospam.org> wrote:
> and the suffix "ize" will be replaced by the suffix "ise".
Just as soon as the BBC stops reporting that politicians are being
pressurized, which Microsoft word did not indicate needed an s.
Eric Johnson
Ju0kd.81219$OD2....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Jan den
Hollander" <j...@nospam.org> wrote:
> 1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary.
> Then look up "aluminium". Check the pronunciation guide.
I'll do that just as soon as the BBC stops reporting that Manchester United
-are- up to something or other.
Clearly subject verb disagreement in the most egregious fashion, and far
more dangerous than any mispronunciation of aluminum, which Microsoft Word
has just changed to Aluminum.
If you wish to piss about pronunciation, then you could remember that
Houston, TX is not pronounced Hooooooston just Like London is not Lun-den.
ej
Eric Johnson
Ju0kd.81219$OD2....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Jan den
Hollander" <j...@nospam.org> wrote:
> You
> will learn that the suffix 'burgh is pronounced 'burra' e.g. Edinburgh
When you learn that Berkshire is not pronounce Barkshire.
Eric Johnson
Ju0kd.81219$OD2....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Jan den
Hollander" <j...@nospam.org> wrote:
> Generally, you should raise your vocabulary
> to acceptable levels.
I have a post graduate degree and speak three languages very well.
My vocabulary is quite broad enough, thank you very much.
Elocution is why I was chosen to give the valedictory to my Graduate School
class in the St. Jan's Kerk in Maastricht.
Eric Johnson
Ju0kd.81219$OD2....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Jan den
Hollander" <j...@nospam.org> wrote:
> 2. There is no such thing as "US English". We will let Microsoft know on
> your behalf.
Actually there is. There is also Indian English and African English, and
Austral-Asian English.
That is why English is so widespread...its flexibility.
Eric Johnson
Ju0kd.81219$OD2....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Jan den
Hollander" <j...@nospam.org> wrote:
> 3. You should learn to distinguish the English and Australian accents.
I can tell the accents from Canada, Australia, England, Scotland, Ireland,
and South Africa as well as Caribbean accents and Chinese accents which I
learned in college.
Eric Johnson
Ju0kd.81219$OD2....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Jan den
Hollander" <j...@nospam.org> wrote:
> 5. You should stop playing American "football".
Agreed.
Eric Johnson
Ju0kd.81219$OD2....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Jan den
Hollander" <j...@nospam.org> wrote:
> 7. You will no longer be allowed to own or carry guns.
Why on earth not?
Eric Johnson
Ju0kd.81219$OD2....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Jan den
Hollander" <j...@nospam.org> wrote:
> 9. All American cars are hereby banned.
Even the ones made in Germany, England and Australia?
How about the Mercedes and BMW's and Hondas built in America?
Eric Johnson
Ju0kd.81219$OD2....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Jan den
Hollander" <j...@nospam.org> wrote:
> 11. As a sign of penance 5 grams of sea salt per cup will be added to
> all tea made within the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, this quantity to
> be doubled for tea made within the city of Boston itself.
Proposed as a sister-city law to match Amsterdam's 5 gram per purchase
limit.
Eric Johnson
Ju0kd.81219$OD2....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Jan den
Hollander" <j...@nospam.org> wrote:
> 15. Please tell us who killed JFK.
Who cares?
It was Johnson.
John of Aix
> Zet hem op, Jan >:->
Learn to snip fuckwit, 10 Kb of text just to add one stupid remark at
the end.
PLONK, I won't be seeing you again.
John of Aix
Erm ... but it is.
Eric Johnson
"townkraeyerŠ" <townkraeyer?@donteventry.hotmail,com> wrote:
> In article <BDB6AE82.64F8B%er...@xs4all.nl>, er...@xs4all.nl says...
>> On 11/9/04 1:08 PM, in article ooc1p0ppss7cj20an...@4ax.com,
>> "GMCarter" <fi...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> soc.culture.mongolian,soc.culture.native,soc.culture.nepal,
> soc.culture.netherlands...Why are you addressing these four
> newsgroups ? They seem like a motley crew to me.
>
>> ej
I was wondering why the spam as well.
Eric Johnson
Eric Johnson
13522265.04110...@posting.google.com, "emilyd" <ef...@tgi.net>
wrote:
> Eric Johnson <er...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
> news:<BDB62CE7.64E7D%er...@xs4all.nl>...
>> On 11/8/04 1:18 PM, in article ipouo0p714do10ao3...@4ax.com,
>> "GMCarter" <fi...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Don't confuse "American" with "Bush" any more than all Germans in 1942
>>> supported Hitler. It's not the nationality that matters as much as
>>> what the individual is about.
>>
>>
>> So you are saying that Bush is equal to Hitler?
>>
>> Can you not see how extreme this make you look?
>
> I have been reading these dialogues for awhile and want to ask a
> question. There are many who feel Bush IS like Hitler, of course not
> nearly as bad , but we are very alarmed. My question is why do SO
> many Americans (say 48%) and a a good majority of the world have this
> feeling? Why do we hate him? Why do so many hate him?
You will have to ask each other. Belief in one's own propaganda springs to
mind.
> What
> justifies this?
-ABSOLUTELY NOTHING-. You even lost.
> I could understand if it were just a small minority
> but are we all extremist and nuts?
The ones who will accept outrageous claims about Bush like he is Hitler.
> And when you say "do you realize
> how extreme you sound" ....that manipulation or argument
Whoa. It was a genuine question. It is extreme to compare anybody to Hitler.
We may not even compare Saddam Hussein to Hitler, but we can Bush.
I think that anti-bush forces got carried away with this type of thinking,
and sooner or later, meaning now, it has become ingrained to the point that
it is OK to compare Bush with Hitler and that it it is not OK to question
whether or not making this comparison is just a bit, well, extreme.
What exactly does Bush do to earn such a comparison?
> is what
> stops any change in America or, until now ,stops the left dead in
> their tracks. Fear of being called extremists.
They aren't afraid to compare bush to hitler and other comparable awful
things.
> They are NOT extreme
> in their position and they are NOT extreme in their feelings about the
> situation.
Then explain how the Hitler simile works, OK?
>We hope this does make us look extreme because this is an
> extreme situation!
You know what? It really isn't. There is peace in most of the world, in all
of the usa, and in most if not all western countries.
The welfare of even America's poor is at a record high.
What on earth is the problem, except for some extremist sociopaths in the
middle east bent on making trouble?
> Although I agree Bush is not Hitler
You do a good job of defending the position, or apologizing for it.
>I do feel
> people see uncomfortable tendencies and the great fear is there are no
> "allies" in the world to check him.
Let the British rebuke us and see what happens.
>
> FYI
F-Y-I
ej
Jan den Hollander
> Jan den Hollander wrote:
>>15. Please tell us who killed JFK.
> Who cares?
>
> It was Johnson.
are you related in any way?
Kees van den Doel
Eric Johnson <er...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> Generally, you should raise your vocabulary
>> to acceptable levels.
>I have a post graduate degree and speak three languages very well.
>
>My vocabulary is quite broad enough, thank you very much.
>
>Elocution is why I was chosen to give the valedictory to my Graduate School
>class in the St. Jan's Kerk in Maastricht.
Ha ha ha! Maastricht is in the backwards South of the Netherlands and is
almost as backwards as Belgium. A "pots graduate degree" from there is
just one step above toiletpaper.
Kees (Archimedes...well he still Americans, and sure about Hugh's fifth
action needed.)
Eric Johnson
isfkd.2245$7i4....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Jan den Hollander"
<j...@nospam.org> wrote:
No, but my mother's initials are, coincidentally, LBJ.
Eric
Eric Johnson
41919ee1$0$141$e4fe...@dreader17.news.xs4all.nl, "Kees van den Doel"
<kvan...@xs2.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> Ha ha ha! Maastricht is in the backwards South of the Netherlands and is
> almost as backwards as Belgium. A "pots graduate degree" from there is
> just one step above toiletpaper.
My degree is from Boston's Emerson College, the premiere communications
university in the usa.
Interestingly, however, the University of Maastricht was rated in news
reports last week as the Netherlands' best with Utrecht being the worst.
From what I remember of the cooperation and resources Emerson's EIIC in
Maastricht and its resource sharing, UM must have come a long way from its
roots as RUL.
In any case, Maastricht is a super fun place to study.
Eric
Jan den Hollander
> On 11/10/04 5:53 AM, in article
> 41919ee1$0$141$e4fe...@dreader17.news.xs4all.nl, "Kees van den Doel"
> <kvan...@xs2.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>>Ha ha ha! Maastricht is in the backwards South of the Netherlands and is
>>almost as backwards as Belgium. A "pots graduate degree" from there is
>>just one step above toiletpaper.
> My degree is from Boston's Emerson College, the premiere communications
> university in the usa.
>
> Interestingly, however, the University of Maastricht was rated in news
> reports last week as the Netherlands' best with Utrecht being the worst.
Alkmaar is even worse than that
GMCarter
wrote:
>> Your opinion is noted. Have a nice day.
>>
>> George M. Carter
>>
>
>
>But not respected.
Not in the slightest.
Eric Johnson
"GMCarter" <fi...@verizon.net> wrote:
Why?
What do you know about me that you could harbor so much disdain?
Did you ever consider that -you- might be wrong?
Curious,
Eric Johnson
John of Aix
> On 11/9/04 7:22 PM, in article
> 419121cb$0$16903$8fcf...@news.wanadoo.fr, "John of Aix"
> <j.mu...@nospamlibertysurf.fr> wrote:
>
>> Eric Johnson wrote:
>>> On 11/9/04 10:55 AM, in article
>>> Ju0kd.81219$OD2....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Jan den
>>> Hollander" <j...@nospam.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You
>>>> will learn that the suffix 'burgh is pronounced 'burra' e.g.
>>>> Edinburgh
>>>
>>>
>>> When you learn that Berkshire is not pronounce Barkshire.
>>
>> Erm ... but it is.
>>
>>
> Why?
Goodness knows why but it is, it's like Beauchamp being pronounced
Beecham and many similar words whose pronunciation has little relationto
their spelling.
dFD
> Alkmaar is even worse than that
Alkmaar - cradle of universal victory over spic evil - is technically worse
than heaven (the real heaven that is, not that silly islamic one). Alkmaar
is, however, better than anything else. Alkmaar is 100% Oeroeboeristic.
XXX, dFD
bigamps
...
>
> What do you know about me that you could harbor so much disdain?
First off you use a separate post for each response to individual point
from one post, you have about two dozen in a line here. Each post has a
lot of header information, most of which ends up repeated over and over.
Many people are on limited bandwidth and what you're doing clogs and
slows their downloads, not to mention you're multiplying it over four or
more newsgroups, and this all spreads all over the world, many, many
unnecessary bytes of data. It shows an apparent lack of either
consideration for others or ignorance of newsgroup etiquette, both of
which cast a dark shadow on your sincerity and intelligence. A post
grad degree and knowledge of multiple languages does not guarantee
competence nor do they automatically garner respect, that comes from
your experience and actions. Next time don't be so quick on the 'send'
button, try to respond to one post with one well edited post, you'll
look much less like the buffoon many on these groups now suspect you are.
> Did you ever consider that -you- might be wrong?
He probably has made that consideration but decided he was correct as
the presence of his posts here show. I tend to agree with Mr. Carter
much more than you based on my experience over the last few months. I
know too many people that voted for Bush based on the 'Kerry's gonna
take my guns' and 'them faggots are gonna take over' thinking, or
because their pastor, priest or minister all but explicitly said to vote
for Bush. They based their voting decision on fear, fear brought about
by carefully planned propaganda and their own willful ignorance. They
don't deserve to live in a democracy, and because of their negligence
that democracy will be taken away from them bit by bit over the next
four years, if they don't get ready reserve activated or drafted and
killed in some overseas oil company support operation.
Eric Johnson
<big...@louder.net> wrote:
> Eric Johnson wrote:
> ...
>>
>> What do you know about me that you could harbor so much disdain?
>
> First off you use a separate post for each response to individual point
> from one post, you have about two dozen in a line here. Each post has a
Makes for easier and faster reading.
It is called trimming your posts.
ej
Eric Johnson
<big...@louder.net> wrote:
> . Each post has a
> lot of header information, most of which ends up repeated over and over.
Get a better news reader. This is not my fault. My point is to trim the
posts.
ej
Eric Johnson
<big...@louder.net> wrote:
> Many people are on limited bandwidth and what you're doing clogs and
> slows their downloads, not to mention you're multiplying it over four or
> more newsgroups, and this all spreads all over the world, many, many
> unnecessary bytes of data.
Why don't you take that up with the OP, GM Carter, who decided he/she needed
to spam various cultural groups with his/her expression of hatred for people
who did not vote as he/she wanted.
OK?
ej
Eric Johnson
<big...@louder.net> wrote:
> It shows an apparent lack of either
> consideration for others or ignorance of newsgroup etiquette, both of
> which cast a dark shadow on your sincerity and intelligence.
It shows none of the above. You can see who the message is from, and it
isn't hard to ignore posts from me, and your bandwidth is not appreciably
eaten up by extra posts from me.
ej
Eric Johnson
<big...@louder.net> wrote:
> A post
> grad degree and knowledge of multiple languages does not guarantee
> competence nor do they automatically garner respect, that comes from
> your experience and actions.
So? You are saying my posting style is sufficient to neutralize and
eliminate everything else that I am?
If so, could we examine your lifestyle and accomplishments and see how many
we can neutralize by allegedly asocial things that you do?
ej
Eric Johnson
<big...@louder.net> wrote:
> Next time don't be so quick on the 'send'
> button, try to respond to one post with one well edited post, you'll
> look much less like the buffoon many on these groups now suspect you are.
Forget it. I have learned through years of posting that most people won't
bother to read well-edited posts which are lengthy. This is especially true
when responding to an OP who is openly hostile.
These hostile people tend to dismiss your posts if they are too long.
So one has to break the posts up so that they are more easily readable by
enraged OP's like mr/mrs carter.
Ej
P.S. Thank you for the insult. I have not been called a buffoon for years.
Brought a good laugh.
Eric Johnson
<big...@louder.net> wrote:
>
> He probably has made that consideration but decided he was correct as
> the presence of his posts here show.
Reread the post. There is so much palpable hatred that critical thinking was
not possible.
ej
Eric Johnson
<big...@louder.net> wrote:
> I tend to agree with Mr. Carter
> much more than you based on my experience over the last few months. I
> know too many people that voted for Bush based on the 'Kerry's gonna
> take my guns' and 'them faggots are gonna take over' thinking, or
> because their pastor, priest or minister all but explicitly said to vote
> for Bush.
And Kerry's campaign: Get rid of Bush.
Not elect me, but get rid of him.
That is a losing strategy which, well, lost.
However, most people did not vote because "faggots are gonna take over
everything."
Maybe some did, but I certainly did not.
As for Pastors and priests dictating votes...this is Total BS as well as
being unethical on the part of these church officials.
Perhaps a certain sect to which the so called neo-cons belong say this in
their christian fellowships, but overt politics from the pulpit is not
practiced by the major faiths in the usa.
Where did you get this info, anyway? From Bush haters? They have a
reputation for making stuff up.
ej
Eric Johnson
<big...@louder.net> wrote:
> . They based their voting decision on fear, fear brought about
> by carefully planned propaganda and their own willful ignorance. They
Yes, the Democrats and other Bush opposition did indeed employ the above to
tray and unseat Bush.
The Bush campaign was about positive things. The Campaign to unseat him and
sit another ass in the oval office, what was his name again, operated the
fear-mongering wheel.
There is at least 1 person who has killed himself because Bush was
reelected.
Tell me that isn't from ginned-up fear?
The Blue states are talking about leaving the union, and there are some
saying the exit poles should be taken in place of the actual voting results
because:
1. The earliest exit poles showed kerry winning.
2. Diebold supplied some voting machines in like 2/10000 of the voting
machines used in this elections. These 2/10000 machines were programmed so
that Bush would win.
Eric Johnson
<big...@louder.net> wrote:
> They
> don't deserve to live in a democracy, and because of their negligence
> that democracy will be taken away from them bit by bit over the next
> four years,
Says you.
Democrats don't like freedom and democracy, either.
So whomever was elected, the disappearance of democracy, which could only
occur with the help of the congress and the courts, would have worked to
steal freedom and democracy from the people.
This is the way governments work.
ej
Eric Johnson
<big...@louder.net> wrote:
> if they don't get ready reserve activated or drafted and
> killed in some overseas oil company support operation.
Reserve activated is a commitment they themselves made. The usa has a
voluntary Army.
The only people who have been discussing the draft are Democrats.
This was a scare tactic designed to unseat Bush.
Too bad all they had was scare tactics.
ej
Kees van den Doel
Eric Johnson <er...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>> What do you know about me that you could harbor so much disdain?
>>
>> First off you use a separate post for each response to individual point
>> from one post, you have about two dozen in a line here. Each post has a
>Makes for easier and faster reading.
>
>It is called trimming your posts.
Is that what you were taught for your "postgraduate degree" at that
"Communication University"?
Kees (Stilte, aangekleede aap!)
Eric Johnson
4193af10$0$127$e4fe...@dreader17.news.xs4all.nl, "Kees van den Doel"
<kvan...@xs2.xs4all.nl> wrote:
Actually, the internet was had not conquered the world as of then.
Some people had email in the states, but this was 1993-94, and netiquette
was not a required or even offered subject.
Is there a problem here? Are the posts not easy to read and respond to?
I personally am sick of having to wade through an entire discussion eo
either find or ad a one liner.
-That- is band width wasting.
ej
ej
Eric Johnson
4193af10$0$127$e4fe...@dreader17.news.xs4all.nl, "Kees van den Doel"
<kvan...@xs2.xs4all.nl> wrote:
Actually, more to the point, yes, they did. Aristotle and his method of
persuasion was taught at length. Of the three points, Ethos, Pathos, and
Logos, pathos, or examining the audience and its strengths, weaknesses and
motivations in order to correctly shape your argument is appropriate here.
It is clear that the usenet audience, especially when being responded to in
the negative, becomes defensive, obtuse, and difficult in the extreme to
reach.
They are -not- disposed to reading lengthy well-edited complete responses
which effectively counter their positions and/or arguments (as most people
on usenet can only occupy positions due to inability to argue their
positions.
This leaves strategic thinking in order to get your point across.
Most people will read what they can get in an eyeful: Thus the success of
USA Today, Telegraaf, Bild Zeitung, American and British Scandal sheets.
Usenet participants are also vain, myself included. They cannot resist what
is behind door number 3, what is in the wrapped package...especially when it
involves threads they started or have been involved in. They -want- to see
the response, even though it may make them sick (eg GMCarter).
But they don't actually want to read or digest in any way the responses, as
there is no actual respect for the opposing party's point-of-view(eg GM
Carter).
So you have to design the posts so that the will get your point simply by
letting their eyes fall on the text. No scrolling, no on comments to get in
the way.
It is similar to the way a CV should be designed. The person doing the
hiring likely has very little time and will give your CV 20 seconds of
attention.
A usenet post in the negative to someone has to be designed so that the 5
seconds the OP gives to the responses of the disrespected will get through
despite the OP's likely ambivalence toward and early closure of the response
window.
And you know what... It works.
The only problems are a few twits who think that a list of headers with 15
response from me is problematic for them, however unjustifiable and juvenile
that actually may be.
Finally, I am not actually in violation of the netiquette rules.
If you believe so, quote the rule. I have, however read through them with an
eye toward this posting style. And that is what it is, a style, and nothing
more.
If it bugs you, I can only say the following...life is a bitch and then you
die.
Then I would say lighten up and don't take yourself or usenet so seriously.
Regards,
eric
Kees van den Doel
Eric Johnson <er...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Don't pots so many letters, no-one is gonna read all that gibberish.
Did't you read that in Arie Stoteles?
Kees (For News http://www.dejanews.com/ Now that'$ the French, Italian,
Israeli, German dialect Bengali Aami tomaake bhaalo baashi Ami
tomay bhalobashi Ami tomake bahlobashi Berber Lakh tirikh Bicol
Philipino dialect spoken of natural barrier if there Mr Greek.)
Jan den Hollander
> Jan den Hollander <j...@nospam.org> wrote in message news:<Qu0kd.81221$OD2....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
>>NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE
>>To the citizens of the United States of America, In the light of your
>>failure to elect a competent President of the USA and thus to govern
>>yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your
>>independence, effective today.
> (Cut a couple of hundred lines)
> Speaking of clogging up the bandwidths.....You're doing a good job
> with your meaningless drivel and feeble attempt to be funny.
How mistaken you are, my friend! This is not an attempt to be funny; au
contraire! You'd better pay attention to this announcement in order to
get ready for an audit by the Queen's taxcollector
Eric Johnson
41942165$0$129$e4fe...@dreader17.news.xs4all.nl, "Kees van den Doel"
<kvan...@xs2.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>
> Don't pots so many letters, no-one is gonna read all that gibberish.
> Did't you read that in Arie Stoteles?
AFAIK< that is a line stole from the Stupid Austrian King in the movie
Amadeus when he is asked about Mozart's latest opera in which he the king
yawned.
Eric