Countering terrorism in Europe as immigrants' assimilation into European society
American Christian Democrat
elsewhere.
ESLaPorte - 12 July 2005
http://www.christian-democrat.net/european/terrorism.eu2.htm
When my husband came into the bedroom and woke me up on July 7 (it was 5 am
here) and told me that London had been attacked with bombs - I was not
surprised. In fact, my reaction was one of "it finally happened and we knew
this was coming."
Well - we knew that it was coming as Europeans, including the British, have
tolerated radicals, practiced the extremes of "racial tolerance." Many
European nations do not require that new immigrants FULLY assimilate into
European society. Instead, most Europeans pass by mosques and Arab
communities, have insults yell at them, and ignore these communities out of
"racial tolerance." No real obligation is placed on "illegal" immigrants and
other members of these communities to demonstrate loyalty to the nation
other than "learning more Dutch" or "becoming fluent in German." Also, some
European nations (Holland) have made criticizing the beliefs of a religious
system like Wahhabism (the extreme form of Islam driving al-Qaeda) to be a
criminal act. Such extremes and obsessions with "tolerance" to religious
beliefs that foster violence have enabled various groups to engage in
"protest actions" (with aid and comfort of leftists) that would land other
people in jail. European communists, who still persist in undermining
European governments, have now latched on to protecting the "human rights"
of religious extremists.
First of all, I believe in the human right to migrate to other lands.
However, governments DO have the right to demand that new immigrants
assimilate into their societies. If you are going to immigrate from Turkey
to Germany, the German government has the right to demand that you learn
German and demand that give your loyalty to nation of Germany. This should
require the taking of a citizenship test and the taking of an oath of
loyalty to the nation. This does not mean that Turks should be forced to eat
schnitzel and attend Oktoberfest, but that they are loyal to their new
German nation. Current practice - which is useless, punitive and inhumane -
is to deny residence visas and deport those found to have a criminal record
anywhere in the world.
This loyalty and good intentions toward the nation one resides in is
demonstrated through commitment to a process of citizenship. Here in
America, a new citizen needs to be proficient in English and study for a
test, which is in English. This test consists of American history and
government. Passing the citizenship test is followed up by an oath of
citizenship. The commitment to become an American citizen is a journey on a
road that requires study and demonstrates loyalty and good intentions.
So-called "illegal" immigrants that intend to do harm to the nation will not
go through the commitment to become a citizen. In fact, none of the
September 11 terrorists were American citizens and they did not have
criminal conviction records anywhere in the world, either. The idea of
becoming an American citizen would have been unthinkable and repulsive to
the September 11 terrorists. Likewise, the idea of becoming a citizen of
Europe through an established citizenship process of any Member-State would
be unthinkable and repulsive to a would-be-terrorist if loyalty would have
to be demonstrated.
Establishing citizenship would not prevent a European (or American) citizen
from becoming involved in terrorism. This would, however, go a long way to
prevent terrorism and criminality more so that denying citizenship and
deporting those who have criminal records anywhere in the world. Even those
would-be-citizens to Europe and America with criminal records in their
country of origin can demonstrate loyalty to their new nation and become
law-abiding citizens of their new nation.
Demonstration of loyalty through the process of citizenship by the immigrant
is of FAR greater value than criminal records checks. Obtaining citizenship
should also be about more of the individual's actions to seek citizenship
and not just "learning more Dutch." European leaders need to stop ignoring
immigrant communities, tolerating threatening actions of certain groups in
the name of "tolerance," and stop the useless and punitive policies in the
name of "freedom, security and justice."
The other legacy of the Cold War - leftist and communist "activism" in
Europe is a hindrance to countering Middle-East terrorism. While here in
America there is the notion (mainly from the right-wing) that "Europe is
still asleep" when it comes to terrorism, the fact is that Europe is awake
for domestic terrorism. Europe does, however, faces another struggle left
wing activists, which make excuses for Middle East, religious terrorism, as
well as efforts to fight Middle East, religious terrorism.
**The presence of these "activists" are a throw back to the days when
Soviet Moscow was covertly promoting and funding the activities of communist
groups, mainly in Europe, during the Cold War. ** These "activists" now
appear to have morphed into defending religious extremists and Wahhabists
that have infested European communities.
Often, European leaders appear to be too compliant with the demands of
loud-mouth, often obnoxious left-wing, communist groups, who are currently
the groups that are "speaking out against" any efforts to control Middle
East, religious extremist and terrorism. These groups often oppose efforts
to require that mainly immigrants from the Middle East and Islamic nations
assimilate into the European communities where they settle. This pressure
leftist and communist "activism" - including the (in)actions from European
leaders - has resulted in these communities being ignored and efforts to
investigate religious extremist and terrorism in these communities is met
with baseless charges of "racism." This can be seen in the law in Holland
that makes it a crime to criticize the belief system of a religious group.
So- if one criticizes Wahhabism, one can be charged with a crime?!!
This is "activism for oppressed communities in Europe" is part of the
notion - I suspect - that some communist groups (both in Europe and America)
are coming to view Middle East, religious terrorists as the "colonial army"
that is to "over-throw" capitalism and "bring about the socialist
revolution." This notion of "colonial armies bringing about the socialist
revolution" is straight from Karl Marx himself, who believed that the
"socialist revolution would start in the oppressed colonies." After the Cold
War ended Europe should have more forcefully dealt with communists and
leftist radicals, some of whom engaged in terrorism themselves, and actually
hate and wish ill-will on the good intentions of the "European project."
The notion of a Middle Eastern, "colonial army" held by both European
communists and American leftists alike is not only ridiculous - but a gross
misunderstanding of the nature of Islamo-fascism and Wahhabism. Wahhabism
also would demand that the communist "activists" be put to death or convert
to Wahhabism! If the communists allowed religious radicals to get what they
want by handing them Europe - the only "revolution" will result is the death
of all Europeans, European civilization, as well as Western civilization,
including the communist "activists" themselves!!! The notion that the
Islamo-fascists and Wahhabists operating in Europe represent some kind of
"colonial army that is to over-throw capitalism" is a delusion that rises to
the level of a psychiatric illness! The communist "activists" - if they are
sane and rational - would abandon the delusion and stop defending religious
extremists and their "protest activities" by "taking to the streets!"
Now- demands that new immigrants - no matter their religious background or
nation of origin (or past criminal history), demonstrate loyalty through a
citizenship process is neither "xenophobia," nor undermines the human right
to migrate. First of all, there is some merit to the charges that European
Union policies and those of the Member States tend toward xenophobic notions
of "immigrants" - and especially "illegal-immigrants terrorists." However,
Europeans do not need to construct "Fortress Europe" based on
xenophobia-paranoid visions of "illegal-immigrants terrorists," including
the inhuman and punitive excluding immigrants with past criminal records in
their country of origin. The best anti-terrorism policies of the Union's
Member States is to demand the demonstration of loyalty through national
citizenship processes which places demands of the candidate citizen to be
proficient in the language of the nation, understand the nation's political
structure and history and especially the citizen's obligation of loyalty to
the nation. Such an obligation on the part of a European nation would not
force a Turk to eat schnitzel and attend Oktoberfest. It would, however,
obligate an immigrant to other demonstrations of loyalty of citizenship,
such as promise to defend that nation if attacked, obey laws and rules,
serve on a jury if required - and so-forth.
The real and genuine "illegal-immigrants terrorists," those that really do
want to do real harm, would consider the process of citizenship to be
unthinkable and repulsive. Those communist "activists" in both Europe and
North America need to stop defending and given aid and comfort to Wahhabists
and religious terrorists - and do the only rational thing, that is, to join
in the rest of the civilized world in rooting out the terrorists and not
"take to the streets" to "defend them!" Lastly - arrest and deport religious
extremists that shout such threats on your streets: "Tony Blair you will
pay - with your blood - with your blood!(?)" No one else but religious
extremists could make threats against people in the streets - and get away
with it - in Europe... Europeans - please stop the extremes of "religious
tolerance!" It will kill you and European civilization too!!! Now - you
Europeans need to chose: Do you love Europe or the extremes of "religious
tolerance?!"
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Also see:
"For the Citizen of Europe - 'Freedom, Justice and Security' "4 February
2005. http://www.christian-democrat.net/european/european.cit1.htm
"The marriage of Venus and Mars: Europe and America - a new relationship
against terrorism." 14 May 2004.
http://transatlantic.security.pronato.com/EU.terrorism2.htm
"Europe and democratic governments against terrorism." May 17 2004.
http://transatlantic.security.pronato.com/EU.terrorism1.htm
"How the world busted November 17" 2 March 03 -
http://transatlantic.security.pronato.com/leftist-terrorism/nov17.2.htm
"NATO is the only choice: An Alliance of values is better than a coalition
of convenience!" 17 Aug 2002.
http://terrorism.pronato.com/alliance.values.htm
Recommended books:
Haynes John Earl and Harvey Klehr (2003). In Denial: Historians, Communism
and Espionage. Encounter Books: San Francisco, CA. Book the discusses mainly
the penetration of the Soviets into Western academics and politics groups of
the West, especially America.
Kassimersis, George 2001. Europe's Last Red Terrorists: The Revolutionary
Organization 17 November. Hurst and Company; London, England. Book on the
"17N" Greek communist terrorist group and the ideology of European communism
and suspected role of Greek leaders in giving aid and comfort to these
terrorists.
Reich, Walter ed., 1998. The Origins of Terrorism: Psychologies, ideologies,
theologies, states of mind . Washington, D.C.: Woodrow Wilson Center Press.
Discusses the terrorists' mind with some writings on European terrorists and
Europe's past responses to terrorism.
Doyle, Michael W. 1997. Ways of War and Peace. W.W. Norton and Comapny: New
York, NY. Book that discusses major international relation theories
(liberalism, realism, socialism) with excellent discussion of the views of
Karl Marx.
thomsen
AFAIK, at least one of the London terrorists was a british citizen.
If I remember right, also the murderer of Theo van Goch in the
Netherlands was dutch citizen. Also, the una bomber and the Oklahoma
bomber were american citizens. And the so called RAF terrorists in
Germany in the seventies were german citizens, and more so, no
nationalized immigrants at all.
While the idea to define clear conditions and preparations for obtaining
citizenship seems reasonable to me, I seriously doubt that this is a
reliable way to prevent more terrorist attacks in the future.
regards,
A.
GeekBoy
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Those people's families were from muslim countries.
The one who killed Van Gogh was a muslim immigrant.
Also, the una bomber and the Oklahoma
> bomber were american citizens. And the so called RAF terrorists in Germany
> in the seventies were german citizens, and more so, no
> nationalized immigrants at all.
Those listed above were not killing in the name of some god.
thomsen
If I remember right, the original topic was about turning immigrants
into law-abiding citizens.
>
> Also, the una bomber and the Oklahoma
>
>>bomber were american citizens. And the so called RAF terrorists in Germany
>>in the seventies were german citizens, and more so, no
>>nationalized immigrants at all.
>
> Those listed above were not killing in the name of some god.
What difference makes that for the victims? Moreover, I think that some
totalitarian ideologies may well be understood to "secular religions",
and the sort of religion that drives people to throwing bombs at
civilians for the sake of terror, is not far from simple fascism.
GeekBoy
Fences make good neighbors
>>
>> Also, the una bomber and the Oklahoma
>>
>>>bomber were american citizens. And the so called RAF terrorists in
>>>Germany in the seventies were german citizens, and more so, no
>>>nationalized immigrants at all.
>>
>> Those listed above were not killing in the name of some god.
>
> What difference makes that for the victims? Moreover, I think that some
> totalitarian ideologies may well be understood to "secular religions", and
> the sort of religion that drives people to throwing bombs at civilians for
> the sake of terror, is not far from simple fascism.
The difference is islam [sic] is cancer and the US in the cure.
The other were doing it for political statement
Mhtsos
> What was before is not of any importance. Today mostly people from the
> Muslim community are the killers.
Actually a good thing. It's a wake up call.
The last 20 years the amount of muslims in Europe has doubled every 10
years.
If the same thing happens over the next 20 years we have how many
muslims in Europe?
Many Europeans are concerned about the environment and population growth.
Not so most muslims.
The urbanization in Egypt to just give one example is destroying 1% of
agricultural land per year. Which sounds not much but add to this the
population growth Egypt has and you know that they will have very
serious problems within the next 20 years.
Solution: Export the overpopulation to Europe.
>
> "thomsen" <a.th...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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>
>>American Christian Democrat wrote:
>>
>>>Suggestions for my European friends to counter terrorism in Europe, and
>>>elsewhere.
>>>ESLaPorte - 12 July 2005
>>>http://www.christian-democrat.net/european/terrorism.eu2.htm
>>>
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Pete Hine
Muslim community are the killers.
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