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His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jan 13, 2012, 10:42:31 AM1/13/12
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Hey, hey, before you think I'm sold out, lend me your attention so I
can explain myself. Firstly, the Financial Times said the DEMOCRATIC
CAPITALISM is in crisis, not capitalism, say, as it is China.
Secondly, the Rich already run the country, but do so under the cover
of democracy. When the economy goes bad, the standards of living fall,
money is wasted on wars, politics paralyze the country, jobs go to
China, and corruption runs rampant, we don't know who to blame. Once
the Rich run the country though we may praise or blame them.

So be it that I endorse the Rich. The poor are only good to go to
church and do manual labor.


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His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jan 14, 2012, 10:31:41 AM1/14/12
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On Jan 14, 1:47 am, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
> "The Rich" DO run the WORLD in a
> 'non-democratic' way. Have for a
> very, VERY long time. Will continue
> to do so.
>
> Of course, over time, 'the Rich' have
> kinda ceased to be actual persons and
> become composite entities - banks,
> corporations etc..

Yeah, but there are still people, real people, having the good life,
with little idea of the real world. There's hope though... ;)

On Jan 13, 4:49 pm, LoadedDiaper <perryneh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "The Rich should Run the Country in a Nondemocratic Way "
>
> AREN'T THEY?

Yes, but why bother with elections. It is assumed that a ruling elite
--be it the Tea Party of the Communist Party-- is better prepared to
run the economy is a nonpartisan way. They know what's best for you.

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jan 14, 2012, 12:28:00 PM1/14/12
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On Jan 14, 11:03 am, aluminum <foil...@the.hat> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> > Mr.B1ack wrote:
>
> >> "The Rich" DO run the WORLD in a
> >> 'non-democratic' way. Have for a
> >> very, VERY long time. Will continue
> >> to do so.
>
> >> Of course, over time, 'the Rich' have
> >> kinda ceased to be actual persons and
> >> become composite entities - banks,
> >> corporations etc..
>
> >Yeah, but there are still people, real people, having the good life,
> >with little idea of the real world. There's hope though... ;)
>
> Elitist theory suggests there remain
> actual persons, all inter-married and related,
> sitting on all the boards of all the multi-nationals.
>
> There is a hope that in order to maintain flow
> the elites need to provide a minimal subsistance
> level of consumption for the consumers.
>
> Hence, there is a balance,
> along with a rising tide of standards
> of living over time.
>
> Many ways exist
> with which to slice the World.
>
> The amount of it being run
> is miniscule compared to the amount
> that is not being run, that is, so to speak,
> running itself, naturally, all by itself.
>
> But lotsa folks like to focus
> on lotsa small stuff without realizing
> really big stuff going on at the same time.
>
> > LoadedDiaper wrote:
> >> "The Rich should Run the Country in a Nondemocratic Way "
>
> >> AREN'T THEY?
>
> >Yes, but why bother with elections. It is assumed that a ruling elite
> >--be it the Tea Party of the Communist Party-- is better prepared to
> >run the economy is a nonpartisan way. They know what's best for you.
>
> Elections don't much matter.
> The corporate beast has many heads.
>
> Which one appears to be in power
> has little to do with the other heads
> and body of the beast.
>
> The beast is in your head.

Right reasons, wrong conclusion. The beast rules by fear, fear of
terrorism, fear of riding a bike. Hey, you got nothing to lose but
your chain!

How about fear of Hell?

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jan 15, 2012, 9:58:04 AM1/15/12
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On Jan 15, 1:59 am, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 14, 1:47 am, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
> >> "The Rich" DO run the WORLD in a
> >> 'non-democratic' way. Have for a
> >> very, VERY long time. Will continue
> >> to do so.
>
> >> Of course, over time, 'the Rich' have
> >> kinda ceased to be actual persons and
> >> become composite entities - banks,
> >> corporations etc..
>
> >Yeah, but there are still people, real people, having the good life,
>
> Yea ... how horrible. Better kill 'em eh ?
> How DARE anyone succeed, how DARE anyone have
> a good life ... a better life than the "gimme
> free money" bums !

Only those who keep the rest down and want no solution, must be
despised. Only those who display power in an immoral way, deserve
condemnation. It's those that deny LIVING SPACE & DIGNITY to the poor
that should be hated.

It's not that you made money, it's how you use it.

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jan 16, 2012, 1:11:57 PM1/16/12
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On Jan 15, 12:16 pm, "i2i" <boo...@netzero.net> wrote:

> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in messagenews:5f496a04-8adf-47cd...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 15, 11:20 am, "i2i" <boo...@netzero.net> wrote:

> > "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote in
> > messagenews:62fbec93-4b11-4e2a...@l19g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> > don't be a hater. it doesn't
> > change those you hate and
> > it only gives you grief. there's
> > no need to give yourself grief
> > unless you enjoy self-sabotage.

> Even you hate them, the vast majority of people in this world is poor,
> so we can enjoy the day without ever bumping into a rich person. You
> must be careful though that their SUVs don't bump into you, and that's
> where the true struggle begins. That's the STRUGGLE FOR SURVIVAL.

> ====================================

> you're wrong. i don't hate the rich
> but i don't think that they are very
> tasty either.

Well, after a long bike ride --mostly on sidewalks-- I feel better and
I don't hate them anymore. They still hate me --and all cyclists and
pedestrians-- but that's something of a bad karma.

rata...@zedicus.tweakdsl.nl

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Jan 16, 2012, 6:33:28 PM1/16/12
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 10:11:57 -0800 (PST), "His Highness the
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
<comandan...@yahoo.com> wrote:


>
>Well, after a long bike ride --mostly on sidewalks-- I feel better and
>I don't hate them anymore. They still hate me --and all cyclists and
>pedestrians-- but that's something of a bad karma.

I am pritty sure most pedestrians hate you to now.

R

Ratatosk, Jola

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jan 16, 2012, 10:22:38 PM1/16/12
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On Jan 16, 6:33 pm, ratat...@zedicus.tweakdsl.nl wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 10:11:57 -0800 (PST), "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Well, after a long bike ride --mostly on sidewalks-- I feel better and
> >I don't hate them anymore. They still hate me --and all cyclists and
> >pedestrians-- but that's something of a bad karma.
>
> I am pritty sure most pedestrians hate you to now.
>
> R
>
> Ratatosk, Jola

Yep, pedestrians hate me. And they hate drivers too, and we all hate
each other.

That's because we are one on top of the other, and often there are no
sidewalks in the suburbs. But few people stop to think about these
issues.

We are nation building around the world.

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jan 17, 2012, 10:22:31 AM1/17/12
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Riding a Bicycle Long Distance from Key to Key

There are some crazies out there who like to bicycle throughout the
Keys, making a long-haul trip out of it, some sort of endurance thing.
This is not for the faint-of-heart or the uninitiated, either, since
U.S. 1, otherwise known as the Overseas Highway, has little or almost
no shoulder! With hardly any shoulder in many stretches of the only
road through the Keys, and with the crazy, bad drivers and the
congested roads, this doesn't seem like a pleasant way to bicycle in
the Florida Keys, but people do it.

http://www.floridakeysnews.info/florida-keys-bicycling.php

***

Do I need to say more? The Wise Man saves his words!

Actually it may easier to bike through the Australian Outback than
many roads around here. Well, a motorcycle would make it even easier.
It ain't as Zen as a bicycle, but hey, sometimes you got to save
yourself for more heroic enterprises, something like the revolution.

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jan 18, 2012, 11:21:43 AM1/18/12
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It is said the Wise Man sees stuff that that the casual observer
ignores. In my case this is particularly true because I use binoculars
to observe the world. The Florida Keys are a great way to analyze the
system's casual disregard for bicycles. Yesterday I had a long outing,
but I found myself arguing with an engineer and his monkey troop who
blocked both sidewalks and denied it until I pulled my binoculars.
Engineers themselves may not be stupid but they simply give a shit
about cyclists and pedestrians. He said, "How dare you call my workers
'monkeys'?" And I said, "Wait, you treat us as monkeys." That's
because they think we are too insignificant and too stupid to
complain.

The Keys are by any means the perfect place for a LONG ADVENTUROUS
RIDE into this tiny funny world called Key West. They are a little
different from the mainland and they pride themselves in being
intolerant about SPEEDING. It's so different that even a world-class
actor dares to ride a bike. In other places they would shout at him,
"Hey you, asshole, get on the sidewalk!"

The engineer told me to ride on the same road where I've come under
attack. I said, "Look, it's a beautiful day. I don't want to die
today!"

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jan 18, 2012, 3:46:05 PM1/18/12
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Posted by GandJ
Yup. A lot of it is too narrow.... especially the bridges. Sorry
TibetanMonkey .... They're not going to build new bridges just to fit
a bike lane.

MY COMMENT:

Gee, they should have thought of it when they designed the bridges.
Well, engineers don't ride bikes across bridges.

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jan 18, 2012, 6:54:19 PM1/18/12
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(Here I drew fire with my tirades against SUVs. It's kind of
irrational to promote jungle vehicles --advertising does that job--
while bicycles come under constant attack. Where are the lions?)


Posted by GandJ
TibetanMonkey -

The incessant tirade against SUVs in many of your posts does not
advance your cause. First off, most of the difference is in ground
clearance and height.. Higher ground clearance or height themselves do
not use more road space. Width, not total size, height, or weight, is
the relevant measure when it comes to taking up room on the road, and
getting closer to the shoulder. . Most SUVs are only very slightly
wider than cars.


Some examples:

Two imports...Honda Accord and Toyota Highlander.


Width of Accord: 72.7 inches
Width of Highlander: 75.9 inches

That's a differnce of 3.2 inches, or just 1.6 inches extra on the left
side of the vehicle, and 1.6 inches extra on the right side of the
vehicle.


Tow domestic vehicles:
Chevy Corvette ZR1 and the (huge) Chevy Tahoe

Width of Vette: 75.9 inches
Width of (huge) Tahoe: 77.0 inches

That's a differnce of 1.1 inches, or about a half-inch extra on the
left side of the vehicle, and a half-inch extra on the right side of
the vehicle.


The reason you see SUVs and pick-ups doing 3-point turns just to get
in parking spaces is more because of their length than their width.
Length does not use more road width. People see those maneuvers of
SUVs and pick-ups to get in parking spots, and automtically assume
it's because of the width. Not so.


I've done a lot of cylcing, and appreciate your concerns. But, the
anti-SUV rants are unproductive. For something productive, maybe you
can open up a "bike ferry" service with small boats ..... one next to
each bridge. There are 42 bridges along US 1 in the keys. Think of the
opportunity! You can become the Cornelius Vanderbilt of the keys! .
The TibetanMonkey Ferry Company!

***

MY REPLY:

That's a great maritime enterprise. South Beach to Key West with
nonstop dancing... Should we allow weed on board? Well, maybe when we
are in international waters, just like casinos.

Anyway, original SUVs (before the current fad) were narrow. It was the
time of Land Rovers and Toyotas, and you would see them from the
African savannahs to the jungles of Costa Rica. They were narrow so
they could squeeze through paths where a Hummer would get stuck. Then
the Americans made an ego machine out of it, but in order to make it
more stable for the real world of the urban jungle, they became wider.
When I refer to SUVs, it's the supersized ones that are the problem.
Ford Rangers and Jeep Liberty's were OK but they are gone.

http://www.ferrari-insight.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/2012-Ford-F-350-Super-Duty-21.jpg

The car is cool but the SUV is nasty, and someday will be laughing
about it. Ironically the world has tilted toward the big beasts when
we should be encouraging bicycling. That's the price of Globalization,
I guess.

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jan 19, 2012, 9:58:34 AM1/19/12
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On Jan 18, 8:40 pm, kolldata <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 1:35 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 3:10 pm, kolldata <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 18, 8:16 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 18, 8:58 am, kolldata <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 17, 10:01 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > > > > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 17, 9:07 pm, "Curtis" <cavey_cur...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > "kolldata" <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> > > > > > > there is a stretch at north end without shoulders...traffic is light
> > > > > > > summers...then in 'town' ride thru 'parking lots' its no big deal
>
> > > > > > >http://www.traillink.com/trail/florida-keys-overseas-heritage-trail.aspx
>
> > > > > > Same link provides this review:
>
> > > > > > "I finished the trail Jan 26, 2009. I highly recommend the sections
> > > > > > with a separate paved path and I do not recommend those sections where
> > > > > > you must ride on the narrow sholders with heavy truck traffic going by
> > > > > > which I did not do, although I met several thru bikers who did put
> > > > > > themselves at risk."
>
> > > > > > I guess you take a gamble if you believe in prayers. I neither gamble
> > > > > > nor pray. But I do believe that THE CHAIN IS NEVER STRONGER THAN THE
> > > > > > WEAKEST LINK. Same situations with dozens of bike lanes/paths that lay
> > > > > > empty around here. They are NOT connected so they become useless,
> > > > > > except for local errands at best.
>
> > > > > is there commercial shuttle available at the northern end where land
> > > > > sinks into the sea ? I remebered that last night. 4 years passed since
> > > > > last driving thru the below Homestead area.
>
> > > > > OUAT the northen mainland section was country road, EAT BEER, 3
> > > > > legged dogs, overalls.....Burma Shave.
>
> > > > There are regular buses that take you half way through the keys. It's
> > > > for the workers and maids that staff the tourist industry and tend to
> > > > the rich, but you may squeeze your bike in. A little sightseeing as a
> > > > "prole" doesn't hurt. Oh, the bus puts you at the top of the food
> > > > chain, in case an SUV loses control.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > >https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&hl=en&tab=gw#hl=en&output=search&s...
>
> > "Route 301 Dade-Monroe Express"
>
> >http://www.miamidade.gov/transit/routes_detail.asp?route=301
>
> > Pack light, take a bike and write back to us. Tell them you are a
> > beach bum in search of paradise. They don't need more bums.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Adventure America...?...the bike map company routes into Astoria
> avoiding the bridge, built belive you me without thought to
> pedestrians or bicycles, like Robert Moses.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1152&bih=6...
>
> I'll bet the legendary John Dacey rides the Overseas.

Bicycles and pedestrians are an accident in the design... an accident
waiting to happen.

They got plenty of bridges over Amsterdam's canals so perhaps we can
learn something. Everything is narrow in Europe, but that couldn't be
an excuse to ignore pedestrians and cyclists.
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