why is the netherlands also called holland
Mark Gary
can someone clear up a confusion for an ignorant english bloke.
I've always been wondering why Holland is called by two names, ie The
Netherlands, and Holland, and also why are the inhabitants of Holland
callled Dutch, which is neither a derivative of both names.
Thanks
Mark
Supergonzo
In short:
Holland is the most powerfull part of the Netherlands since the 16th
century. It was called "De Republiek van de Zeven Provincien" (The
Republic of the Seven Provinces).
After 1815 it was "Het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden" (The Kingdom of the
Netherlands). This Kingdom covers The Netherlands, Belgium and
Luxemburg and the Dutch Colonies.
After 1830, Belgium became an independet country, including Luxemburg.
Dutch = Dietsch and means German.
Good writers about the duth histories are Jonathan Israel: The Dutch
Republic: Its Rise, Greatness, and Fall 1477-1806 (Oxford History of
Early Modern Europe)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0198207344/qid=1051485515/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-4755293-9796068?v=glance&s=books
and Simon Schama: The Embarrassment of Riches: An Interpretation of
Dutch Culture in the Golden Age
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679781242/qid=1051485655/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-4755293-9796068?v=glance&s=books
At this time 1/3 of the Dutch people are living in the western part of
the Netherlands.
People in the North, East and South of the Netherlands don't like it
when you calling them "Hollanders:. They are "Nederlanders"
E.g. Scotland and England.
keitje
><ma...@mwgary.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>I've always been wondering why Holland is called by two names, ie The
>>Netherlands, and Holland, and also why are the inhabitants of Holland
>>callled Dutch, which is neither a derivative of both names.
>
>Good writers about the duth histories are Jonathan Israel: The Dutch
>Republic: Its Rise, Greatness, and Fall 1477-1806 (Oxford History of
>Early Modern Europe)
>
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0198207344/qid=1051485515/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-4755293-9796068?v=glance&s=books
>and Simon Schama: The Embarrassment of Riches: An Interpretation of
>Dutch Culture in the Golden Age
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679781242/qid=1051485655/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-4755293-9796068?v=glance&s=books
>
And the pleasant reading " The low sky : understanding the Dutch ",
by Han van der Horst
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/9055940399/qid=1051524456/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-3932587-0847232?v=glance&s=books
mvg
keitje
http://www.xs4all.nl/~dekei/hollande.html#name
Quint Ondaatje
Mark Gary<ma...@mwgary.demon.co.uk>
in soc.culture.netherlands het volgende:
The Netherlands were a confederation between 7 provinces.
(Republiek der verenigde Nederlanden (+/- 1585-1795)
The most
powerful was Holland. Other provinces were Zeeland (You know it from "New
Zealand"), Gelderland, Friesland, Groningen, Overijssel and Utrecht.
Drenthe was also a menber of the Confederation, but had no voting rights
an tax duty. There were also occupied territories wich were part of
Brabant (Staats Brabant _now Noord-Brabant-), Vlaanderen (Staats
Vlaanderen _now part of Zeeland as Zeeuws Vlaanderen_) and Limburg
Before 1585, the Netherlands were a kind of confedaration with what is now
Belgium, with the provinces Vlaanderen (Flanders), Brabant, Namur,
Hainaut, Arras,
Flandre Wallon, Mechelen, Luxembourg and Limburg.
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
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I believe even Belgians may be called Dutch.
Tom
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Jos Boersema
>> Hi,
>>
>> can someone clear up a confusion for an ignorant english bloke.
>>
>> I've always been wondering why Holland is called by two names, ie The
>> Netherlands, and Holland, and also why are the inhabitants of Holland
>> callled Dutch, which is neither a derivative of both names.
>
> I believe even Belgians may be called Dutch.
Holland is an enemy tribe that lives near the North Sea coast, they
have attacked the northern tribes on quite a few occaisions. They
hold two provinces: Noord Holland & Zuid Holland (i'm sure it can
be found on many maps). Holland is militarily dominant in the
Netherlands; perhaps the costum to refer to the Netherlands as
'Holland' is similar to referring to the USA as 'Washington' or
to the UK as 'London' (typically a reference to the Government
cliques there). "What does Moskou want," means "What does Russia
[the Russian Government] want" etc.
'The Netherlands' is a translation of how we call our own country
(Nederland; loosely speaking 'low country;' "neder" is a variant
of the word 'low' or below; "nederig" means humble by the way).
Why you call us Dutch we don't know; Dutch is similar to the word
'Deutch' which is how the Germans call themselves and their
laguange. The Dutch language is close to and probably a derivative
of the German-Dutch mother language of the Germanic tribes. I have
heard (first hand) that local Dialect in the North of the Netherlands
can talk and understand to people who talk their local dialect all the
way into Austria.
Disclaimer: I'm not a historian.
--
Fustigator
2013 09:25:01 GMT, in littera <slrnl3isbc...@debian.mrahax> in
foro soc.culture.netherlands (et aliis) vere scripsit quod sequitur::
> I have
>heard (first hand) that local Dialect in the North of the Netherlands
>can talk and understand to people who talk their local dialect all the
>way into Austria.
with the saxonic accent(*), you can be understood and understad
Germans till Berlin and further, when they speak their own dialect
______
(*) the saxonic pronounciation is used in following parts of the
nederlands: Zeeland, Groningen, Drente, the eastern half of Overijsel
and the "Achterhoek" in Gelderland, but also in Belgium (province of
West-Flanders, where i live). The two characteristics are, the
"swallowing away of the last part of many words and a more archa�c
pronounciation of some vowels [ij becomes i, ui becomes uu or the
german u etc]
>Disclaimer: I'm not a historian.
But I agree with most of your analysis.
--
Fusti
Rink
Waarom liggen dan al die militairen op de Veluwe, in Drenthe en moeten
ze verhuizen van Utrecht naar Zeeland?
En de meeste Nederlanders wonen niet in Holland....