A question for the group (English)
Buzz
Op Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:57:18 GMT schreef
su...@rorto.net.com (susie wright)
in <380b97a6...@news.alt.net>
in alt.nl.big-brother:
: I apologise for not writing in Dutch here, but I can't.
That's allright...
: My question relates to the broad freedoms you have in Holland.
Tan you'r offtopic here... this ng is about a tv-show (where ppl have
no privacy... Hence the name.) [Please respect the followup-to
header.]
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: The porno coming out of Holland is hard -- animal, rape, scat, etc.
Sex w/ animals is illegal. Rape is illegal.
What's scat?
:
: You have liberal drug laws too and Euthanasia.
Drugs: We have strict laws, they're just not always strongly enforced.
Euthanasia: There are *very* strict guidelines for this.
:
: As I come from a country (Australia) where there is much interference
: in what people do because of politicians, how is it that you manage to
: retain these freedoms without political opposition.
Maybe it's because we have so many political parties, that can never
agree on major issues...
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: Do you have politicians who try to ban porno?
Sure...
:
: Or are Dutch polticians just very mature?
LOL! Not very likely.
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: This issue has interested me for a long time.
:
: What is the Dutch attitude to freedoms of expression?
Roughly... You can do/express anything, as long as it isn't harmful/
discriminating to anybody else.
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: I know you have different encryption export laws too? Can you please
: explain how this is possible.
I never understood why those should not be exported...
:
: In my country, hard porno is banned, drugs are outlawed and
Like I said before, here too...
: Euthanasia, once brought in for three months, was reppealed.
By whom?
:
: Thank you in advance for your comments and I apologise for non-Dutch
: language.
Your welcome... in <URL: news:soc.culture.netherlands>
:
: Susie
Buzz.
--
This message exists of true and false bits entirely!
susie wright
(Buzz) wrote:
>: The porno coming out of Holland is hard -- animal, rape, scat, etc.
>
>Sex w/ animals is illegal. Rape is illegal.
>What's scat?
Films depicting sex with animals -- bestiality -- are sold from Dutch
companies such as Dutch Pleasures and Escapade. So are films depicting
rape -- the act of rape is not real, but the visuals are hardcore.
Companies such as Book and Film International -- Dutch-based -- make
bestiality movies.
"Scat" is a slang term for porno movies where featuring excrement.
>:
>: You have liberal drug laws too and Euthanasia.
>: As I come from a country (Australia) where there is much interference
>: in what people do because of politicians, how is it that you manage to
>: retain these freedoms without political opposition.
>
>Maybe it's because we have so many political parties, that can never
>agree on major issues...
lol
>:
>: Do you have politicians who try to ban porno?
>
>Sure...
Why do they never succeed? I am not anti-porno, but I am interested in
the mechanics of your government.
>:
>: Or are Dutch polticians just very mature?
>
>LOL! Not very likely.
I guess pollies are the same the world over.
>: I know you have different encryption export laws too? Can you please
>: explain how this is possible.
>
>I never understood why those should not be exported...
The U.S. government is very afraid of encryption. They don't want it
exported because they don't want other countries using it against
them.
>:
>: In my country, hard porno is banned, drugs are outlawed and
>
>Like I said before, here too...
But it seems not to be banned. It is available in stores in Amsterdam
and on the net.
>
>: Euthanasia, once brought in for three months, was reppealed.
Euthanasia was legalized in the Northern Territory of Australia a
couple of years ago. A member of Parliament challenged it and it was
reppealed.
Currently, the Australian government has passed a draconian net
censorship bill which prohibits Australians from accessing X-rated
material on the internet. Many people think this is a laugh.
Impossible to enforce.
I am very disappointed that our government has done this without
political opposition from shadow parties.
I am very grateful, Buzz, to you for responding to my questions.
Susie
Azrifel
>: I know you have different encryption export laws too? Can you please
>: explain how this is possible.
>I never understood why those should not be exported...
What about encryption? Anything may be encrypted here, the law
enforcement has no rights! :-)
>: In my country, hard porno is banned, drugs are outlawed and
>Like I said before, here too...
Yep, but we don't seem to care if it's sold anyway.
--
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Buzz
[Crossposted to soc.culture.australia. Followup-to _not_ set.
Please trim groups if/when appropriate!]
Op Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:41:18 GMT schreef
susie...@rorto.net.com (susie wright)
in <380c02b1...@news.alt.net>
in soc.culture.netherlands:
<snip>
: Films depicting sex with animals -- bestiality -- are sold from Dutch
: companies such as Dutch Pleasures and Escapade. So are films depicting
Are those companies dutch? (I don't know them.)
: rape -- the act of rape is not real, but the visuals are hardcore.
Oh, it's an act... No problem. :-)
: Companies such as Book and Film International -- Dutch-based -- make
: bestiality movies.
Is the bestiality real? If so, it's illegal here... (Harm to
animals...)
: "Scat" is a slang term for porno movies where featuring excrement.
You might get the health services screaming about that, not the law.
Consenting adults may do just about anything...
<snip>
: The U.S. government is very afraid of encryption. They don't want it
: exported because they don't want other countries using it against
: them.
<cynic>
YM censors... govnmt doesn't care.
</cynic>
Anybody can look up how RSA works... It's simple too.
Are you saying that if I wrote: ''
Choose p and q as large primes; Then N=p*q and L=(p-1)*(q-1).
Now choose e so it has no factor in common with L
Next choose d so: ((d*e) mod L)=1.
Now M and e are your public key, d is private.
To encrypt m: s=(e^m) CENSORED N.
To decrypt s: m=(s CENSORED s) mod N.
{"CENSORED" for safety...(Don't you love symmetry? =;^* )}
'', I might be in trouble? (If I were a U.S. citizen.)
(I found this through altavista. Should I sue, or be scared? :-) )
[Or would it be trouble for a (news-)provider?]
<snip: illegal (violent) porn and drugs.>
: But it seems not to be banned. It is available in stores in Amsterdam
: and on the net.
Child pornography, and other *abuse* are illegal. If you find such
anywhere, you _should_ report them.
Harddrugs are illegal. So are softdrugs, but ppl are not prosecuted
if _only_ small quantities of softdrugs are involved.
<snip>
: Euthanasia was legalized in the Northern Territory of Australia a
: couple of years ago. A member of Parliament challenged it and it was
: reppealed.
If strictly controlled, (double-checked etc.), I think it should be
possible for a person to decide (s)he doesn't want to live anymore.
: Currently, the Australian government has passed a draconian net
: censorship bill which prohibits Australians from accessing X-rated
: material on the internet. Many people think this is a laugh.
: Impossible to enforce.
<IMO>
Right! [added <URL: news:soc.culture.australia >]
(F - u - c - k that!)
</IMO>
Is there any sign of protest? Black webpages, action banners, etc.?
: I am very disappointed that our government has done this without
: political opposition from shadow parties.
Maybe you voted for the wrong party. Or it's time to start your own.
(Build a ''bandwagon''.)
{Disclaimer: All the above: AFAIK, IANAL.}
: I am very grateful, Buzz, to you for responding to my questions.
You're welcome...
[people, if your answer concerns just aus or just nl, pls
releave the other group.]