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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Aug 26, 2012, 4:38:55 PM8/26/12
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Banning is a strong word that must be avoided, but let's say that you
let in essential vehicles to a city a center and you could actually
ride a donkey in NYC. Well, that's something extreme --except for the
mounted police-- but you get my point. Then people could walk and bike
around with no stress whatsoever.
An American goes to the city of Groningen and goes "Wow, no cars!"
Actually he repeats it many times because it looks impossible. Hey,
nothing is impossible. You just make it possible. Remember, THE
REVOLUTION IS ABOUT SOLUTIONS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7gi2RxM1Qg
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http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
let in essential vehicles to a city a center and you could actually
ride a donkey in NYC. Well, that's something extreme --except for the
mounted police-- but you get my point. Then people could walk and bike
around with no stress whatsoever.
An American goes to the city of Groningen and goes "Wow, no cars!"
Actually he repeats it many times because it looks impossible. Hey,
nothing is impossible. You just make it possible. Remember, THE
REVOLUTION IS ABOUT SOLUTIONS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7gi2RxM1Qg
--------------------------------------------------------
http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Aug 26, 2012, 5:00:54 PM8/26/12
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On Aug 26, 3:27 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 26, 11:39 am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 26, 2:17 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> > May be you will be interested in this book
>
> > "The Geography of Nowhere: The Rise and Decline of America's
> > Man-Made Landscape"
> > Book description from Amazon.com
>
> > "The Geography of Nowhere traces America's evolution from
> > a nation of Main Streets and coherent communities to a land
> > where every place is like no place in particular, where the
> > cities are dead zones and the countryside is a wasteland of
> > cartoon architecture and parking lots.
>
> If you have lived in the U.S. during the 1940s - 1960s, you would know
> the design of our freeway systems is to facilitate the ease of going
> long distances while retaining the small-town environment for people
> remaining in-place.
>
> In large cities, the freeways have become an entangled mess after many
> updates and additions. But we have learned from our experience.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In elegant and often hilarious prose, Kunstler depicts our nation's
> > evolution from the Pilgrim settlements to the modern auto suburb in
> > all its ghastliness. The Geography of Nowhere tallies up the huge
> > economic, social, and spiritual costs that America is paying for its
> > car-crazed lifestyle. It is also a wake-up call for citizens to
> > reinvent the places where we live and work, to build communities that
> > are once again worthy of our affection. Kunstler proposes that by
> > reviving civic art and civic life, we will rediscover public virtue
> > and a new vision of the common good. "The future will require us to
> > build better places," Kunstler says, "or the future will belong to
> > other people in other societies.""
Where's the sense of community being retained if not in those places
where a car is unnecessary? I say 99% of communities are broken
communities.
> On Aug 26, 11:39 am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 26, 2:17 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> > May be you will be interested in this book
>
> > "The Geography of Nowhere: The Rise and Decline of America's
> > Man-Made Landscape"
> > Book description from Amazon.com
>
> > "The Geography of Nowhere traces America's evolution from
> > a nation of Main Streets and coherent communities to a land
> > where every place is like no place in particular, where the
> > cities are dead zones and the countryside is a wasteland of
> > cartoon architecture and parking lots.
>
> If you have lived in the U.S. during the 1940s - 1960s, you would know
> the design of our freeway systems is to facilitate the ease of going
> long distances while retaining the small-town environment for people
> remaining in-place.
>
> In large cities, the freeways have become an entangled mess after many
> updates and additions. But we have learned from our experience.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In elegant and often hilarious prose, Kunstler depicts our nation's
> > evolution from the Pilgrim settlements to the modern auto suburb in
> > all its ghastliness. The Geography of Nowhere tallies up the huge
> > economic, social, and spiritual costs that America is paying for its
> > car-crazed lifestyle. It is also a wake-up call for citizens to
> > reinvent the places where we live and work, to build communities that
> > are once again worthy of our affection. Kunstler proposes that by
> > reviving civic art and civic life, we will rediscover public virtue
> > and a new vision of the common good. "The future will require us to
> > build better places," Kunstler says, "or the future will belong to
> > other people in other societies.""
Where's the sense of community being retained if not in those places
where a car is unnecessary? I say 99% of communities are broken
communities.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Aug 27, 2012, 12:56:09 AM8/27/12
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On Aug 26, 6:21 pm, Wet Paper Bag <ultimate.henchman....@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Aug 26, 2:42 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Great, great job there. I take that finger back. ;)
>
> maybe next time, but you are, after all, on the record and thus it
> makes you look flip floppy like liaM. it bears mentioning now, we used
> to laugh our asses off making you and liaM flip back and forth. we
> managed to find the single statements that made you jump from black to
> white almost at the same time as he jumped white to black. funny does
> not even begin to describe it monkey.
>
> so let me see, you think democracy sounds gay but have not quite
> captured the subtly of what demanding a banana revolution means.
> sounds kind of gay to me. are you a faggot monkey?
See, you are trying to destroy the perfect path chosen by a
WiseMonkey. Reality is that I'm a feminist, but I'm not a woman
either. I just think the priority should not be gays, the old or
nothing, just mother and child. Security of all kind for women.
I'm all for Pussy Democracy, if that's the proper term. Hey, make no
mistake. I think we should be tough on crime, and make streets safe.
Legalize drugs while cleaning up the community.
wrote:
> On Aug 26, 2:42 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Great, great job there. I take that finger back. ;)
>
> maybe next time, but you are, after all, on the record and thus it
> makes you look flip floppy like liaM. it bears mentioning now, we used
> to laugh our asses off making you and liaM flip back and forth. we
> managed to find the single statements that made you jump from black to
> white almost at the same time as he jumped white to black. funny does
> not even begin to describe it monkey.
>
> so let me see, you think democracy sounds gay but have not quite
> captured the subtly of what demanding a banana revolution means.
> sounds kind of gay to me. are you a faggot monkey?
See, you are trying to destroy the perfect path chosen by a
WiseMonkey. Reality is that I'm a feminist, but I'm not a woman
either. I just think the priority should not be gays, the old or
nothing, just mother and child. Security of all kind for women.
I'm all for Pussy Democracy, if that's the proper term. Hey, make no
mistake. I think we should be tough on crime, and make streets safe.
Legalize drugs while cleaning up the community.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Aug 27, 2012, 1:12:18 AM8/27/12
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On Aug 26, 6:34 pm, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 26, 1:59 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> underpasses to go by or over the freeways.
> You can still walk/bike around town easily. A freeway
> does not and should not divide a small town/community.
freeways. The well-off left the inner city, which was left to rot.
And the sprawl is anything but livable. Often no sidewalks, and
certainly no place to ride a bike.
> On Aug 26, 1:59 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 26, 3:27 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > If you have lived in the U.S. during the 1940s - 1960s,
> > > you would know the design of our freeway systems is to
> > > facilitate the ease of going long distances while retaining
> > > the small-town environment for people remaining in-place.
>
> > > In large cities, the freeways have become an entangled
> > > mess after many updates and additions. But we have
> > > learned from our experience.
>
> <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 26, 3:27 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > If you have lived in the U.S. during the 1940s - 1960s,
> > > you would know the design of our freeway systems is to
> > > facilitate the ease of going long distances while retaining
> > > the small-town environment for people remaining in-place.
>
> > > In large cities, the freeways have become an entangled
> > > mess after many updates and additions. But we have
> > > learned from our experience.
>
> > Where's the sense of community being retained if not in
> > those places where a car is unnecessary?
>
> Small towns/communities are still the same. There overpasses/
> > those places where a car is unnecessary?
>
> underpasses to go by or over the freeways.
> You can still walk/bike around town easily. A freeway
> does not and should not divide a small town/community.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I say 99% of communities are broken communities.
The "communities" have become large sprawls facilitated by the same
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I say 99% of communities are broken communities.
freeways. The well-off left the inner city, which was left to rot.
And the sprawl is anything but livable. Often no sidewalks, and
certainly no place to ride a bike.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Aug 27, 2012, 1:17:58 PM8/27/12
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On Aug 26, 8:33 pm, Dänk 42Ø <d...@kgb.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:40:01 -0700, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> automobile, so they are designed for cars. Even older cities have
> extensive suburbs whose residents absolutely require cars.
>
> I lived in the Bay Area for four years, and only drove into San Francisco
> a few times, quickly discovering that the price of parking and parking
> tickets made it much more inconvenient than using public transportation.
> And I can't believe what great physical shape I was in by using it --
> having to walk a few blocks to the bus stop, and sometimes deciding that
> walking a mile was faster than waiting for the next bus. Burbites are so
> fat and lazy than they drive to visit their next-door neighbors.
>
> I visited Europe and Asia in 2009, and in Europe cars are a luxury -- but
> it doesn't matter since public transit is so good. Vietnam does not seem
> to have much public transit, everyone rides scooters. Same in Cambodia,
> except that scooters are a luxury and you see bicycles instead. Safe to
> say, I saw very few fat Vietnamese and Cambodians, and only slightly more
> fat Europeans. I come back to America and see 250kg blobs driving their
> fat asses to a buffet two blocks away.
I can't say how polluting those little scooters are --some critics say
they are-- but they are a lot of fun. I think they can coexist with
the bicycle as a "liberating option" --the car is often referred to as
a "cage." I don't even see the point of needing a license for a small
scooter.
Anyway, our cities are designed around the automobile, and even though
you could get around your community on a bicycle, you find a lot a
hostility out there. One issue that turns me off is cars sitting on
the driveway/pedestrian crossing --waiting to go on the road-- and
ignore you. It's assumed that the pedestrian/cyclist is some kind of
idiot with time to spare. Sidewalks are often in disrepair or simply
blocked by cars or trash cans.
You find no people and that's the greatest turnoff.
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:40:01 -0700, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > Banning is a strong word that must be avoided, but let's say that you
> > let in essential vehicles to a city a center and you could actually ride
> > a donkey in NYC. Well, that's something extreme --except for the mounted
> > police-- but you get my point. Then people could walk and bike around
> > with no stress whatsoever.
>
> > An American goes to the city of Groningen and goes "Wow, no cars!"
> > Actually he repeats it many times because it looks impossible. Hey,
> > nothing is impossible. You just make it possible. Remember, THE
> > REVOLUTION IS ABOUT SOLUTIONS.
>
> Unfortunately, many American cities sprung up after the invention of the
> Philosopher wrote:
> > Banning is a strong word that must be avoided, but let's say that you
> > let in essential vehicles to a city a center and you could actually ride
> > a donkey in NYC. Well, that's something extreme --except for the mounted
> > police-- but you get my point. Then people could walk and bike around
> > with no stress whatsoever.
>
> > An American goes to the city of Groningen and goes "Wow, no cars!"
> > Actually he repeats it many times because it looks impossible. Hey,
> > nothing is impossible. You just make it possible. Remember, THE
> > REVOLUTION IS ABOUT SOLUTIONS.
>
> automobile, so they are designed for cars. Even older cities have
> extensive suburbs whose residents absolutely require cars.
>
> I lived in the Bay Area for four years, and only drove into San Francisco
> a few times, quickly discovering that the price of parking and parking
> tickets made it much more inconvenient than using public transportation.
> And I can't believe what great physical shape I was in by using it --
> having to walk a few blocks to the bus stop, and sometimes deciding that
> walking a mile was faster than waiting for the next bus. Burbites are so
> fat and lazy than they drive to visit their next-door neighbors.
>
> I visited Europe and Asia in 2009, and in Europe cars are a luxury -- but
> it doesn't matter since public transit is so good. Vietnam does not seem
> to have much public transit, everyone rides scooters. Same in Cambodia,
> except that scooters are a luxury and you see bicycles instead. Safe to
> say, I saw very few fat Vietnamese and Cambodians, and only slightly more
> fat Europeans. I come back to America and see 250kg blobs driving their
> fat asses to a buffet two blocks away.
I can't say how polluting those little scooters are --some critics say
they are-- but they are a lot of fun. I think they can coexist with
the bicycle as a "liberating option" --the car is often referred to as
a "cage." I don't even see the point of needing a license for a small
scooter.
Anyway, our cities are designed around the automobile, and even though
you could get around your community on a bicycle, you find a lot a
hostility out there. One issue that turns me off is cars sitting on
the driveway/pedestrian crossing --waiting to go on the road-- and
ignore you. It's assumed that the pedestrian/cyclist is some kind of
idiot with time to spare. Sidewalks are often in disrepair or simply
blocked by cars or trash cans.
You find no people and that's the greatest turnoff.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Aug 29, 2012, 5:15:07 PM8/29/12
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On Aug 29, 1:56 am, Jay Herblock <jayherbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 3:09 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 27, 5:28 am, Jay Herblock <jayherbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 26, 2:12 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > What if you banned cars from a city?
>
> > > You'd have a lot of older people dying; unable to get medical care,
> > > food, prescriptions...
>
> > That's a funny idea. They would walk and ride trikes and enjoy a
> > better health.
>
> No. It's perfectly sound point.
> If you're old or feeble, or if you don't have any legs, you would die.
If you want to, yes. If you don't want to, no.
>
> > However "ambulances" and "garbage trucks" may be considered "essential
> > vehicles" within a car-free zone.
>
> Missed that one didn't you.
> I guess you didn't figure that ambulances were vehicles.
I said "essential vehicles" are OK within a "car free zone," where's
the conflict with ambulances?
>
> > I think they are dying and suffering mostly from being in the cage.
> > And Euthanasia is better than prolonging the agony.
> > But that's only my humble opinion.
>
> Euthanasia, eh?
> Aren't you the humanitarian, Adolf.
That's another funny idea, the liberal Dutch are Nazis. Are you
smoking banana peels instead of weed?
> On Aug 27, 3:09 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 27, 5:28 am, Jay Herblock <jayherbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 26, 2:12 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > What if you banned cars from a city?
>
> > > You'd have a lot of older people dying; unable to get medical care,
> > > food, prescriptions...
>
> > That's a funny idea. They would walk and ride trikes and enjoy a
> > better health.
>
> No. It's perfectly sound point.
> If you're old or feeble, or if you don't have any legs, you would die.
If you want to, yes. If you don't want to, no.
>
> > However "ambulances" and "garbage trucks" may be considered "essential
> > vehicles" within a car-free zone.
>
> Missed that one didn't you.
> I guess you didn't figure that ambulances were vehicles.
I said "essential vehicles" are OK within a "car free zone," where's
the conflict with ambulances?
>
> > I think they are dying and suffering mostly from being in the cage.
> > And Euthanasia is better than prolonging the agony.
> > But that's only my humble opinion.
>
> Euthanasia, eh?
> Aren't you the humanitarian, Adolf.
That's another funny idea, the liberal Dutch are Nazis. Are you
smoking banana peels instead of weed?
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Aug 30, 2012, 4:58:53 PM8/30/12
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On Aug 30, 3:40 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
> Le 30/08/2012 17:51, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a crit :
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 27, 3:45 pm, "Frayed" <fra...@the-edges.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Better still, in view of the accident statistics which show so many vehicle
> >> related deaths and injuries outside cities, why not ban cars from leaving
> >> cities; leave us country guys safe, for a change.
> >> I suppose we could maybe consider the bigger picture, but hey, why bother?
>
> > I can tell you this much: I'm in the boondocks and this is possibly
> > the MOST DANGEROUS PLACE TO WALK IN THE WORLD. And I can also tell
> > you, whole families do walk on the road (most likely on Sabbath) with
> > little concern for danger, and they dress in black. Wait, the speed on
> > these winding roads with no shoulder changes from 35 to 55mph and cars
> > have little time to react. But this population who walk only come in
> > summer, so in winter only the people who hate people stay behind. And
> > everybody drives and everybody is fat.
>
> > Hey, and there's no single trail anywhere to enjoy Nature. It's all
> > around you, but nobody takes advantage of it. NO HIKING. Only Big Foot
> > is said to roam free in those woods.
>
> No trespassing is America's definition of freedom. Freedom to
> acquire and fence off huge swathes of land.
You have it right again. You gave me the hint before that you could
open a gate in Europe and continue walking. Here everything is a Gated
Community, and no trespassing is the rule. Often I see a path or dirt
road and I'm afraid to follow it. Marking real trails would help.
That's right, only on public lands.
They figure hikers are hippies or squatters.
> Le 30/08/2012 17:51, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a crit :
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 27, 3:45 pm, "Frayed" <fra...@the-edges.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Better still, in view of the accident statistics which show so many vehicle
> >> related deaths and injuries outside cities, why not ban cars from leaving
> >> cities; leave us country guys safe, for a change.
> >> I suppose we could maybe consider the bigger picture, but hey, why bother?
>
> > I can tell you this much: I'm in the boondocks and this is possibly
> > the MOST DANGEROUS PLACE TO WALK IN THE WORLD. And I can also tell
> > you, whole families do walk on the road (most likely on Sabbath) with
> > little concern for danger, and they dress in black. Wait, the speed on
> > these winding roads with no shoulder changes from 35 to 55mph and cars
> > have little time to react. But this population who walk only come in
> > summer, so in winter only the people who hate people stay behind. And
> > everybody drives and everybody is fat.
>
> > Hey, and there's no single trail anywhere to enjoy Nature. It's all
> > around you, but nobody takes advantage of it. NO HIKING. Only Big Foot
> > is said to roam free in those woods.
>
> No trespassing is America's definition of freedom. Freedom to
> acquire and fence off huge swathes of land.
You have it right again. You gave me the hint before that you could
open a gate in Europe and continue walking. Here everything is a Gated
Community, and no trespassing is the rule. Often I see a path or dirt
road and I'm afraid to follow it. Marking real trails would help.
That's right, only on public lands.
They figure hikers are hippies or squatters.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Aug 30, 2012, 5:08:52 PM8/30/12
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On Aug 30, 4:35 pm, web head <mortonvul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> America should be given our thanks and gratitude... without them caucasions wouldnt be as apologetic and polite as a race in the world.. Generally whitie doesn't embrace racial or national pride like Hitler.. .. We would no longer be entertained and he scares whitie of itself... put his evil spin on mind....wooed by the dreams and charisma the germans fell under his power. I doubt he was as racist as his german or nazi followers were. There was more inside his mind but it's in a german scene he came to power and their minds he was hijacking...
***
Everybody thought the world would be much better without Nazism or
Communism, but things have gotten worse and worse under Democracy.
Gated Communities, mega-malls and SUVs showed up all over the land.
It may be said that it got more hungry and arrogant, ignoring
injustice and the rampant destruction of the environment. Old enemies
became partners. But of course, Globalization requires absolute
faith.
I think Orwell would recognize this world.
> America should be given our thanks and gratitude... without them caucasions wouldnt be as apologetic and polite as a race in the world.. Generally whitie doesn't embrace racial or national pride like Hitler.. .. We would no longer be entertained and he scares whitie of itself... put his evil spin on mind....wooed by the dreams and charisma the germans fell under his power. I doubt he was as racist as his german or nazi followers were. There was more inside his mind but it's in a german scene he came to power and their minds he was hijacking...
***
Everybody thought the world would be much better without Nazism or
Communism, but things have gotten worse and worse under Democracy.
Gated Communities, mega-malls and SUVs showed up all over the land.
It may be said that it got more hungry and arrogant, ignoring
injustice and the rampant destruction of the environment. Old enemies
became partners. But of course, Globalization requires absolute
faith.
I think Orwell would recognize this world.
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