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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 13, 2012, 4:54:44 PM9/13/12
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On Sep 7, 5:12 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
> Taoism is essentially a power grab.
>
> By defining the Tao as the unnameable creator of the
> 10,000 things, the Taoist creates the ultimate weapon for
> human egos use to defend the atavism that they need to exist,
> i.e. their "BEING"
>
> Everything needs a being, the universe, the universal mind, God,
> Tao, Enlightenment, earth, the moon, and especially the
> often pitiful and tawdry mental degenerates called philosophers.
>
> Happily, we artists and musicians escape this conundrum.
> We need no theories to act and play outside the butt-fuck of
> life. Pick up an instrument. Take up water-colors.
> Ride your bycicle with an Occupy mask on your face.
I've been trying to make sense of Occupy and I --a proud member of the
Global Revolution-- have a hard time figuring out what they are all
about. I know they want change but not in a particular way, such as
giving people the option to walk, hike or ride a bike. That's the core
belief behind my effort and that's the best way to do revolutions...
REVOLUTIONS FOR THE PLANET! (That motto is actually borrowed from "Sun
Bicycles")
So put on a monkey mask and hit the road, Jack! "Roaming free" is the
name of the game. Don't sit on your ass to watch TV or even to
meditate. Well, maybe in moderation. This is a fight against obesity,
boredom and indifference. No ifs or buts. Revolution is change and
life is change. Move on... welcome to clean technologies and welcome
to the Neighborhood Electric Vehicles. No more broken communities
while those who can afford it move to Gated Communities.
Don't get me wrong, that's only the beginning. We need all kinds or
revolutions: healthcare revolution, drug policy revolution, food
revolution and sexual revolution. Yes, there's more than gay issues
about revolution. If they can get married so should a threesome.
Nothing sacred about the number two.
What is sacred? A cyclist is sacred, a woman who chooses to roam free
is sacred. Nowadays, the homeless occupy our parks and we are all in
the cage, particularly women. Women should be liberated and sacred.
Children should be liberated and sacred. When was the last time you
saw a kid riding a bike without fear?
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http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
> Taoism is essentially a power grab.
>
> By defining the Tao as the unnameable creator of the
> 10,000 things, the Taoist creates the ultimate weapon for
> human egos use to defend the atavism that they need to exist,
> i.e. their "BEING"
>
> Everything needs a being, the universe, the universal mind, God,
> Tao, Enlightenment, earth, the moon, and especially the
> often pitiful and tawdry mental degenerates called philosophers.
>
> Happily, we artists and musicians escape this conundrum.
> We need no theories to act and play outside the butt-fuck of
> life. Pick up an instrument. Take up water-colors.
> Ride your bycicle with an Occupy mask on your face.
I've been trying to make sense of Occupy and I --a proud member of the
Global Revolution-- have a hard time figuring out what they are all
about. I know they want change but not in a particular way, such as
giving people the option to walk, hike or ride a bike. That's the core
belief behind my effort and that's the best way to do revolutions...
REVOLUTIONS FOR THE PLANET! (That motto is actually borrowed from "Sun
Bicycles")
So put on a monkey mask and hit the road, Jack! "Roaming free" is the
name of the game. Don't sit on your ass to watch TV or even to
meditate. Well, maybe in moderation. This is a fight against obesity,
boredom and indifference. No ifs or buts. Revolution is change and
life is change. Move on... welcome to clean technologies and welcome
to the Neighborhood Electric Vehicles. No more broken communities
while those who can afford it move to Gated Communities.
Don't get me wrong, that's only the beginning. We need all kinds or
revolutions: healthcare revolution, drug policy revolution, food
revolution and sexual revolution. Yes, there's more than gay issues
about revolution. If they can get married so should a threesome.
Nothing sacred about the number two.
What is sacred? A cyclist is sacred, a woman who chooses to roam free
is sacred. Nowadays, the homeless occupy our parks and we are all in
the cage, particularly women. Women should be liberated and sacred.
Children should be liberated and sacred. When was the last time you
saw a kid riding a bike without fear?
----------------------------------------------------------
http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 14, 2012, 1:18:52 AM9/14/12
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On Sep 13, 9:01 pm, Wilson <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On 9/13/2012 8:17 PM, Love wrote:
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> > In article<uIydncj7j6dGzM_NnZ2dnUVZ_gedn...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
> > says...
> >> On 9/13/2012 4:52 PM, liaM wrote:
>
> >>> Remind me to ask Wilson why Americans resist sharing the wealth
> >>> to pay for basic human needs. Is it that the US Bill of Rights
> >>> lacks something that the French have in their motto
> >>> "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité" ?
>
> >>> A sense of fraternity ?
>
> >> "Agree" to pay taxes? As if it's optional or voluntary. Agreement at
> >> the point of a gun is only coercion. There is no "agree", there is only
> >> "must do".
>
> > So you voluntarily agree to remain a citizen of
> > a country that "makes" you pay taxes, or will you
> > claim that you are a slave who is forced to remain,
> > at the point of a gun?
>
> > See this little thing in my fingers? It's the
> > world's tiniest violin.
>
> Yeah right. Sharing is voluntary, and any "agreement" that says I will
> be locked up if I don't do it is coercion which invalidates any "contract".
>
> Giving is a wonderful thing that ennobles the giver and uplifts those
> who receive. A system that forcibly redistributes wealth has nothing to
> do with charity as it degrades the receiver and enslaves the payer.
Charity is enslaving and degrading. Make people do something for their
own good. The money that went to Haiti disappeared into the black hole
of corruption. Africa is dependent on charity while enriching the
corporations that profit from its resources.
Teach the poor to have a decent life without being dependent on
handouts.
> On 9/13/2012 8:17 PM, Love wrote:
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>
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> > In article<uIydncj7j6dGzM_NnZ2dnUVZ_gedn...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
> > says...
> >> On 9/13/2012 4:52 PM, liaM wrote:
>
> >>> Remind me to ask Wilson why Americans resist sharing the wealth
> >>> to pay for basic human needs. Is it that the US Bill of Rights
> >>> lacks something that the French have in their motto
> >>> "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité" ?
>
> >>> A sense of fraternity ?
>
> >> "Agree" to pay taxes? As if it's optional or voluntary. Agreement at
> >> the point of a gun is only coercion. There is no "agree", there is only
> >> "must do".
>
> > So you voluntarily agree to remain a citizen of
> > a country that "makes" you pay taxes, or will you
> > claim that you are a slave who is forced to remain,
> > at the point of a gun?
>
> > See this little thing in my fingers? It's the
> > world's tiniest violin.
>
> Yeah right. Sharing is voluntary, and any "agreement" that says I will
> be locked up if I don't do it is coercion which invalidates any "contract".
>
> Giving is a wonderful thing that ennobles the giver and uplifts those
> who receive. A system that forcibly redistributes wealth has nothing to
> do with charity as it degrades the receiver and enslaves the payer.
Charity is enslaving and degrading. Make people do something for their
own good. The money that went to Haiti disappeared into the black hole
of corruption. Africa is dependent on charity while enriching the
corporations that profit from its resources.
Teach the poor to have a decent life without being dependent on
handouts.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 14, 2012, 1:57:31 AM9/14/12
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On Sep 13, 9:18 pm, Love <l...@spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <qcCdndlWQZpDHM_NnZ2dnUVZ_o-dn...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
>
> Charity does not ennoble. No one ever said that
> "redistribution" was based on the notion of charity,
> except that whackjob Ayn Rand, and she was wrong.
I agree, but redistribution should be accompanied with frugality and
responsibility. NO FREE HANDOUTS... meaning everyone should be
expected to do something according to their means or pay some money
for a service. For example, paying $25 to see a doctor would prevent
abuses. I wouldn't give full welfare to someone who drives a car. You
better use public transportation, ride a bike or walk. Let the poor be
healthy, not couch potatoes. Reduce welfare to smokers.
NYC is doing some of these things and it's working. Remember, THE
REVOLUTION IS ABOUT SOLUTIONS. Throwing money at the problem often
feeds corruption. I've seen it with my own eyes. "Do not feed the
wildlife" is a sign often used where feeding the animals produces
dependency. Don't let them go hungry or go without healthcare either.
Those are human rights.
> In article <qcCdndlWQZpDHM_NnZ2dnUVZ_o-dn...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
> says...
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> >On 9/13/2012 8:17 PM, Love wrote:
> >> In article<uIydncj7j6dGzM_NnZ2dnUVZ_gedn...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
> >> says...
> >>> On 9/13/2012 4:52 PM, liaM wrote:
>
> >>>> Remind me to ask Wilson why Americans resist sharing the wealth
> >>>> to pay for basic human needs. Is it that the US Bill of Rights
> >>>> lacks something that the French have in their motto
> >>>> "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité" ?
>
> >>>> A sense of fraternity ?
>
> >>> "Agree" to pay taxes? As if it's optional or voluntary. Agreement at
> >>> the point of a gun is only coercion. There is no "agree", there is only
> >>> "must do".
>
> >> So you voluntarily agree to remain a citizen of
> >> a country that "makes" you pay taxes, or will you
> >> claim that you are a slave who is forced to remain,
> >> at the point of a gun?
>
> >> See this little thing in my fingers? It's the
> >> world's tiniest violin.
>
> >Yeah right. Sharing is voluntary, and any "agreement" that says I will
> >be locked up if I don't do it is coercion which invalidates any "contract".
>
> >Giving is a wonderful thing that ennobles the giver and uplifts those
> >who receive. A system that forcibly redistributes wealth has nothing to
> >do with charity as it degrades the receiver and enslaves the payer.
>
> I'm still playing that tiny violin for you.
>
>
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>
>
> >On 9/13/2012 8:17 PM, Love wrote:
> >> In article<uIydncj7j6dGzM_NnZ2dnUVZ_gedn...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
> >> says...
> >>> On 9/13/2012 4:52 PM, liaM wrote:
>
> >>>> Remind me to ask Wilson why Americans resist sharing the wealth
> >>>> to pay for basic human needs. Is it that the US Bill of Rights
> >>>> lacks something that the French have in their motto
> >>>> "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité" ?
>
> >>>> A sense of fraternity ?
>
> >>> "Agree" to pay taxes? As if it's optional or voluntary. Agreement at
> >>> the point of a gun is only coercion. There is no "agree", there is only
> >>> "must do".
>
> >> So you voluntarily agree to remain a citizen of
> >> a country that "makes" you pay taxes, or will you
> >> claim that you are a slave who is forced to remain,
> >> at the point of a gun?
>
> >> See this little thing in my fingers? It's the
> >> world's tiniest violin.
>
> >Yeah right. Sharing is voluntary, and any "agreement" that says I will
> >be locked up if I don't do it is coercion which invalidates any "contract".
>
> >Giving is a wonderful thing that ennobles the giver and uplifts those
> >who receive. A system that forcibly redistributes wealth has nothing to
> >do with charity as it degrades the receiver and enslaves the payer.
>
>
> Charity does not ennoble. No one ever said that
> "redistribution" was based on the notion of charity,
> except that whackjob Ayn Rand, and she was wrong.
I agree, but redistribution should be accompanied with frugality and
responsibility. NO FREE HANDOUTS... meaning everyone should be
expected to do something according to their means or pay some money
for a service. For example, paying $25 to see a doctor would prevent
abuses. I wouldn't give full welfare to someone who drives a car. You
better use public transportation, ride a bike or walk. Let the poor be
healthy, not couch potatoes. Reduce welfare to smokers.
NYC is doing some of these things and it's working. Remember, THE
REVOLUTION IS ABOUT SOLUTIONS. Throwing money at the problem often
feeds corruption. I've seen it with my own eyes. "Do not feed the
wildlife" is a sign often used where feeding the animals produces
dependency. Don't let them go hungry or go without healthcare either.
Those are human rights.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 14, 2012, 6:24:32 PM9/14/12
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On Sep 14, 5:36 pm, SG <sgman0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, September 14, 2012 2:21:07 PM UTC-7, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
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> > On Sep 14, 4:31 pm, watcher <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
>
> > > TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
> > > >All because of this cheap film that puts down Muslims.
>
> > > If you really believe, think or feel
>
> > > that someone or many people do something
>
> > > all because of a cheap film
>
> > > then
>
> > > you are probably
>
> > > more deluded than I'd thought.
>
> > > There is more to an iceberg than its tip.
>
> > > You see the tip of an iceberg
>
> > > and think that is all there is to it.
>
> > > You are, sadly, or perhaps joyously, mistaken.
>
> > > > But the
>
> > > >benevolent Christian god is watching all this burning with great alarm
>
> > > >and concern.
>
> > > The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
>
> > > is the same God as that of Jesus and Muhammad.
>
> > > You might try reading some of the literature.
>
> > > That same God watches over all the nations, pulls the strings,
>
> > > and people do what people do, all according to plan.
>
> > > You are also free, to make up your own stories.
>
> > > And free to see the world as you see fit
>
> > > to be all tied up in your cage
>
> > > in your mind.
>
> > > Unless you can't see it
>
> > > any other way than do you see it,
>
> > > in which case you are not free
>
> > > but you are in a cage, of your mind.
>
> > > > The problem is Satan is loose and he actually runs the
>
> > > >day-to-day affairs of the world. God is on a leash, so to speak.
>
> > > Satan is allowed to do as Satan does.
>
> > > God is not on a leash.
>
> > > At least, not according to the literature.
>
> > If you were Satan I would be God. If you were God I would be Satan.
>
> > It's the necessary opposition we all need to change the world.
>
> To admit that, what you are saying is you are willing to be a slave. A cog in the necessary duality machine. You just destroyed any importance you imputed on your cause. Now what?
Wait, I'm better better because of the opposition. I just don't let
them slow me down. Maybe we find the golden mean between my way and
the opposition and that's the right way.
And isn't yin-yang the perfect symbol of duality? It sounds like
communism and capitalism. Too much of either is bad.
> On Friday, September 14, 2012 2:21:07 PM UTC-7, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
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> > On Sep 14, 4:31 pm, watcher <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
>
> > > TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
> > > >All because of this cheap film that puts down Muslims.
>
> > > If you really believe, think or feel
>
> > > that someone or many people do something
>
> > > all because of a cheap film
>
> > > then
>
> > > you are probably
>
> > > more deluded than I'd thought.
>
> > > There is more to an iceberg than its tip.
>
> > > You see the tip of an iceberg
>
> > > and think that is all there is to it.
>
> > > You are, sadly, or perhaps joyously, mistaken.
>
> > > > But the
>
> > > >benevolent Christian god is watching all this burning with great alarm
>
> > > >and concern.
>
> > > The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
>
> > > is the same God as that of Jesus and Muhammad.
>
> > > You might try reading some of the literature.
>
> > > That same God watches over all the nations, pulls the strings,
>
> > > and people do what people do, all according to plan.
>
> > > You are also free, to make up your own stories.
>
> > > And free to see the world as you see fit
>
> > > to be all tied up in your cage
>
> > > in your mind.
>
> > > Unless you can't see it
>
> > > any other way than do you see it,
>
> > > in which case you are not free
>
> > > but you are in a cage, of your mind.
>
> > > > The problem is Satan is loose and he actually runs the
>
> > > >day-to-day affairs of the world. God is on a leash, so to speak.
>
> > > Satan is allowed to do as Satan does.
>
> > > God is not on a leash.
>
> > > At least, not according to the literature.
>
> > If you were Satan I would be God. If you were God I would be Satan.
>
> > It's the necessary opposition we all need to change the world.
>
> To admit that, what you are saying is you are willing to be a slave. A cog in the necessary duality machine. You just destroyed any importance you imputed on your cause. Now what?
Wait, I'm better better because of the opposition. I just don't let
them slow me down. Maybe we find the golden mean between my way and
the opposition and that's the right way.
And isn't yin-yang the perfect symbol of duality? It sounds like
communism and capitalism. Too much of either is bad.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 15, 2012, 6:55:56 AM9/15/12
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This alone would be an issue for revolution. Gated Communities negate
democracy. They are a form of Apartheid. They are a communist
institution, which made Reagan proclaim, "Mr Gorbachev, tear down
those walls!"
(I QUOTE)
What is the measure of nationhood when the divisions between
neighborhoods require security patrols and fencing to keep out other
citizens? When public services and even local government are
privatized, when the community of responsibility stops at the gates,
the function and the very idea of democracy is threatened. Gates and
barricades that separate people from one another also reduce people's
potential to understand one another and commit to any common or
collective purpose. In short, gates reduce the opportunity for social
contact, and without social contact, this nation becomes less likely
to fulfill its social contract.
http://www.nhi.org/online/issues/93/gates.html
***
And with this strategic victory I go searching for a cup of coffee.
democracy. They are a form of Apartheid. They are a communist
institution, which made Reagan proclaim, "Mr Gorbachev, tear down
those walls!"
(I QUOTE)
What is the measure of nationhood when the divisions between
neighborhoods require security patrols and fencing to keep out other
citizens? When public services and even local government are
privatized, when the community of responsibility stops at the gates,
the function and the very idea of democracy is threatened. Gates and
barricades that separate people from one another also reduce people's
potential to understand one another and commit to any common or
collective purpose. In short, gates reduce the opportunity for social
contact, and without social contact, this nation becomes less likely
to fulfill its social contract.
http://www.nhi.org/online/issues/93/gates.html
***
And with this strategic victory I go searching for a cup of coffee.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 15, 2012, 3:02:48 PM9/15/12
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On Sep 15, 7:08 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 03:57:12 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> <ROTFL> The fence and gate guarding the Condo where I live is meant
> to keep losers like you out. The people here have no desire to have
> contact with the likes of you, let alone understand or commit to any
> common or collective purpose with you...
My intention is to declare gated communities "Feudal Cities" and you
may keep the gardener, the maid and other serfs. But you may not have
the voting rights.
You may build towers and walls surrounded by hungry alligators as
well. Democracy is outside the walls.
> On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 03:57:12 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> to keep losers like you out. The people here have no desire to have
> contact with the likes of you, let alone understand or commit to any
> common or collective purpose with you...
My intention is to declare gated communities "Feudal Cities" and you
may keep the gardener, the maid and other serfs. But you may not have
the voting rights.
You may build towers and walls surrounded by hungry alligators as
well. Democracy is outside the walls.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 16, 2012, 10:25:20 AM9/16/12
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On Sep 16, 7:36 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 22:47:20 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
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>
>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 15, 3:40 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 12:35:28 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> >> Cruiser Philosopher" <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Sep 15, 3:09 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 11:53:25 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> >> >> Fortunately, your declarations are nothing more than a freakshow.
>
> >> >How are those alligators growing?
>
> >> >On Sep 14, 11:44 am, Sancho Panza <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Jackie Barcliff Sought By Police In Rape, Assault Tied to Occupy Wall
> >> >> Street Protest
> >> >> By Graham Rayman Fri., Sep. 14 2012 at 6:00 AM
> >> >> Categories: Crime, Featured, Graham Rayman, Occupy Wall Street
>
> >> >> In an unusually dramatic and verbose posting from police spokespeople,
> >> >> the NYPD says detectives are looking for a man identified as 44-year-old
> >> >> Jackie Barcliff (at right) in connection with an appalling rape and
> >> >> assault of a female Occupy Wall Street protester on Monday.
>
> >> >> Barcliff appears to be the same man filmed back in November at another
> >> >> Occupy Wall Street goading police into arresting him for disorderly
> >> >> conduct in a video posted to youtube by OWS supporters.
>
> >> >> "As protestors begin to filter into New York City over the weekend to
> >> >> commemorate the anniversary Monday of Occupy Wall Street (OWS), the NYPD
> >> >> is hunting for a rapist among them," the NYPD statement begins.
>
> >> >> The 56-year-old female victim was forced to go with her attacker to a
> >> >> section of the Pier 15 park overlooking the East River, raped and then
> >> >> thrown over a second-story railing. She suffered a broken pelvis and
> >> >> other serious injuries.
>
> >> >> The statement said Barcliff, a regular at other OWS protests, was
> >> >> previously arrested in December at the OWS protests at Liberty Plaza
> >> >> downtown for assault, resisting arrest and trying to escape. He got
> >> >> sentenced to 200 days in jail, a district attorney spokesperson said.
>
> >> >> Barcliff was held on Rikers Island four time over the past two years,
> >> >> including 120 days on the resisting arrest conviction starting on Feb.
> >> >> 24. He was released on June 25.
>
> >> >> A man who identifies himself as Jackie Barcliff appears in a youtube
> >> >> video filmed at Liberty Plaza, and appears to obnoxiously goad police
> >> >> into arresting him. The film is undated, but it appears to have been
> >> >> shot last November, and posted to youtube on Nov. 18, 2011.
>
> >> >> In the video, Barcliff, who says he's 43 and has a skateboard slung
> >> >> across his back, claims to "promote nonviolence," and ignores police
> >> >> requests to move on. When the police move in, he says, "Don't touch me,
> >> >> and declares, "Don't I get freedom of speech. Why are you pushing me?"
>
> >> >> The police officer again ask him to move along. The man continues to
> >> >> argue with the police and private security guards about where he can stand.
>
> >> >> As he continues to argue, they try to take his skateboard. He refuses to
> >> >> give it up and then police officers pull him down the sidewalk, and
> >> >> handcuff him. He shouts his name, "Jackie Barcliff," as police take him
> >> >> away and place him in a police van.
>
> >> >> The video continues with protesters talking sympathetically about
> >> >> Barcliff's arrest, and then chanting "Shame, shame, shame!" It's
> >> >> doubtful they would be so sympathetic now.
> >> >> One protester actually yells, "This isn't Hitler, this isn't Germany."
> >> >> And then, people start yelling, "The whole world is watching."
> >> >> --http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/09/jackie_barcliff.php
>
> >> >Interesting, very interesting. We could have more effect by riding a
> >> >bike and occupying a lane, just one. Cars occupy the whole road with
> >> >little concern for pedestrians and cyclists. In a way they are
> >> >terrorists. I saw a big SUV blast a train horn at innocent pedestrian
> >> >who was terrorized. Shame on SUVs!
>
> >> Hey. I rode my bike 40 miles this morning... like I do every couple
> >> of days...
>
> >See, the world outside the gated community is not that bad. Well,
> >depends where you live. But when the powerful people live in gated
> >communities, the powerless people won't be able to fix it.
>
> There's a reason why I live inside the walls and gates.. It's so I
> have a place where I don't have to rub elbows with the likes of you.
There should be place for people who hate people but I don't think
gated communities are a desirable outcome. They create the environment
for hate and revolution.
> On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 22:47:20 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
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>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 15, 3:40 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 12:35:28 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> >> Cruiser Philosopher" <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Sep 15, 3:09 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 11:53:25 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> >> >How are those alligators growing?
>
> >> >On Sep 14, 11:44 am, Sancho Panza <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 9/14/2012 1:23 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >> >> > On Sep 13, 9:01 pm, Wilson <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> > On Sep 13, 9:01 pm, Wilson <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On 9/13/2012 8:17 PM, Love wrote:
>
> >> >> >>> In article<uIydncj7j6dGzM_NnZ2dnUVZ_gedn...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
> >> >> >>> says...
> >> >> >>>> On 9/13/2012 4:52 PM, liaM wrote:
>
> >> >> >>>>> Remind me to ask Wilson why Americans resist sharing the wealth
> >> >> >>>>> to pay for basic human needs. Is it that the US Bill of Rights
> >> >> >>>>> lacks something that the French have in their motto
> >> >> >>>>> "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité" ?
>
> >> >> >>>>> A sense of fraternity ?
>
> >> >> >>>> "Agree" to pay taxes? As if it's optional or voluntary. Agreement at
> >> >> >>>> the point of a gun is only coercion. There is no "agree", there is only
> >> >> >>>> "must do".
>
> >> >> >>> So you voluntarily agree to remain a citizen of
> >> >> >>> a country that "makes" you pay taxes, or will you
> >> >> >>> claim that you are a slave who is forced to remain,
> >> >> >>> at the point of a gun?
>
> >> >> >>> See this little thing in my fingers? It's the
> >> >> >>> world's tiniest violin.
>
> >> >> >> Yeah right. Sharing is voluntary, and any "agreement" that says I will
> >> >> >> be locked up if I don't do it is coercion which invalidates any "contract".
>
> >> >> >> Giving is a wonderful thing that ennobles the giver and uplifts those
> >> >> >> who receive. A system that forcibly redistributes wealth has nothing to
> >> >> >> do with charity as it degrades the receiver and enslaves the payer.
>
>
> >> >> >>> In article<uIydncj7j6dGzM_NnZ2dnUVZ_gedn...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
> >> >> >>> says...
> >> >> >>>> On 9/13/2012 4:52 PM, liaM wrote:
>
> >> >> >>>>> Remind me to ask Wilson why Americans resist sharing the wealth
> >> >> >>>>> to pay for basic human needs. Is it that the US Bill of Rights
> >> >> >>>>> lacks something that the French have in their motto
> >> >> >>>>> "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité" ?
>
> >> >> >>>>> A sense of fraternity ?
>
> >> >> >>>> "Agree" to pay taxes? As if it's optional or voluntary. Agreement at
> >> >> >>>> the point of a gun is only coercion. There is no "agree", there is only
> >> >> >>>> "must do".
>
> >> >> >>> So you voluntarily agree to remain a citizen of
> >> >> >>> a country that "makes" you pay taxes, or will you
> >> >> >>> claim that you are a slave who is forced to remain,
> >> >> >>> at the point of a gun?
>
> >> >> >>> See this little thing in my fingers? It's the
> >> >> >>> world's tiniest violin.
>
> >> >> >> Yeah right. Sharing is voluntary, and any "agreement" that says I will
> >> >> >> be locked up if I don't do it is coercion which invalidates any "contract".
>
> >> >> >> Giving is a wonderful thing that ennobles the giver and uplifts those
> >> >> >> who receive. A system that forcibly redistributes wealth has nothing to
> >> >> >> do with charity as it degrades the receiver and enslaves the payer.
>
> >> >> > Charity is enslaving and degrading. Make people do something for their
> >> >> > own good. The money that went to Haiti disappeared into the black hole
> >> >> > of corruption. Africa is dependent on charity while enriching the
> >> >> > corporations that profit from its resources.
>
> >> >> > Teach the poor to have a decent life without being dependent on
> >> >> > handouts.
>
> >> >> Crime
> >> >> > own good. The money that went to Haiti disappeared into the black hole
> >> >> > of corruption. Africa is dependent on charity while enriching the
> >> >> > corporations that profit from its resources.
>
> >> >> > Teach the poor to have a decent life without being dependent on
> >> >> > handouts.
>
> >> >> Jackie Barcliff Sought By Police In Rape, Assault Tied to Occupy Wall
> >> >> Street Protest
> >> >> By Graham Rayman Fri., Sep. 14 2012 at 6:00 AM
> >> >> Categories: Crime, Featured, Graham Rayman, Occupy Wall Street
>
> >> >> In an unusually dramatic and verbose posting from police spokespeople,
> >> >> the NYPD says detectives are looking for a man identified as 44-year-old
> >> >> Jackie Barcliff (at right) in connection with an appalling rape and
> >> >> assault of a female Occupy Wall Street protester on Monday.
>
> >> >> Barcliff appears to be the same man filmed back in November at another
> >> >> Occupy Wall Street goading police into arresting him for disorderly
> >> >> conduct in a video posted to youtube by OWS supporters.
>
> >> >> "As protestors begin to filter into New York City over the weekend to
> >> >> commemorate the anniversary Monday of Occupy Wall Street (OWS), the NYPD
> >> >> is hunting for a rapist among them," the NYPD statement begins.
>
> >> >> The 56-year-old female victim was forced to go with her attacker to a
> >> >> section of the Pier 15 park overlooking the East River, raped and then
> >> >> thrown over a second-story railing. She suffered a broken pelvis and
> >> >> other serious injuries.
>
> >> >> The statement said Barcliff, a regular at other OWS protests, was
> >> >> previously arrested in December at the OWS protests at Liberty Plaza
> >> >> downtown for assault, resisting arrest and trying to escape. He got
> >> >> sentenced to 200 days in jail, a district attorney spokesperson said.
>
> >> >> Barcliff was held on Rikers Island four time over the past two years,
> >> >> including 120 days on the resisting arrest conviction starting on Feb.
> >> >> 24. He was released on June 25.
>
> >> >> A man who identifies himself as Jackie Barcliff appears in a youtube
> >> >> video filmed at Liberty Plaza, and appears to obnoxiously goad police
> >> >> into arresting him. The film is undated, but it appears to have been
> >> >> shot last November, and posted to youtube on Nov. 18, 2011.
>
> >> >> In the video, Barcliff, who says he's 43 and has a skateboard slung
> >> >> across his back, claims to "promote nonviolence," and ignores police
> >> >> requests to move on. When the police move in, he says, "Don't touch me,
> >> >> and declares, "Don't I get freedom of speech. Why are you pushing me?"
>
> >> >> The police officer again ask him to move along. The man continues to
> >> >> argue with the police and private security guards about where he can stand.
>
> >> >> As he continues to argue, they try to take his skateboard. He refuses to
> >> >> give it up and then police officers pull him down the sidewalk, and
> >> >> handcuff him. He shouts his name, "Jackie Barcliff," as police take him
> >> >> away and place him in a police van.
>
> >> >> The video continues with protesters talking sympathetically about
> >> >> Barcliff's arrest, and then chanting "Shame, shame, shame!" It's
> >> >> doubtful they would be so sympathetic now.
> >> >> One protester actually yells, "This isn't Hitler, this isn't Germany."
> >> >> And then, people start yelling, "The whole world is watching."
> >> >> --http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/09/jackie_barcliff.php
>
> >> >Interesting, very interesting. We could have more effect by riding a
> >> >bike and occupying a lane, just one. Cars occupy the whole road with
> >> >little concern for pedestrians and cyclists. In a way they are
> >> >terrorists. I saw a big SUV blast a train horn at innocent pedestrian
> >> >who was terrorized. Shame on SUVs!
>
> >> Hey. I rode my bike 40 miles this morning... like I do every couple
> >> of days...
>
> >See, the world outside the gated community is not that bad. Well,
> >depends where you live. But when the powerful people live in gated
> >communities, the powerless people won't be able to fix it.
>
> There's a reason why I live inside the walls and gates.. It's so I
> have a place where I don't have to rub elbows with the likes of you.
There should be place for people who hate people but I don't think
gated communities are a desirable outcome. They create the environment
for hate and revolution.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 16, 2012, 1:36:26 PM9/16/12
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On Sep 16, 12:22 pm, Wet Paper Bag <ultimate.henchman....@gmail.com>
wrote:
> that is how o'bama gets assassinated and why i brought it up... just
> like kennedy, "if" o'bama gets his second term, he will be
> assassinated trying to negotiate america's surrender under the guise
> of peace negotiations... so what do you think monkey... first offer
> should always be refused... so why not go out there and take down the
> "old glory" and run up that canadian flag?
>
> don't wait too long, the only scraps of skin holding those few
> remaining teeth in place right now is o'bama. you know what will
> happen if the republicans get in don't you? hehehehehe... as
> distasteful as that Jews name is to say, it will speed things up...
> you will likely be under martial law by the end of next summer.
>
> "i am thinking republican this time gang..." bam bam seems to have
> been... well, it "sounds" good and right, truly a tremendous orator,
> but i just don't think he takes your life serious enough monkey. i
> know the republicans, now unable to unleash their toy soldiers into a
> zone that will mean real war not killing sheep, will turn all that red
> neck clan on the american people...
>
> the wisdom monkey, what happens when bullies get a very humiliating
> defeat handed to them... what they do to their wives, kids and
> neighbors when they get home to try and... re-coop some of that
> strength...
>
> have you ever seen the movie or read the book "The Handmaid's
> Tale"?... who knew?
>
> now if it is alright with you, although there really isn't much you
> can do from there, this is wee wee little bit more fun than diablo II
> lords of destruction (cha-ching) but until the teacher gets back not
> as fun as Civ4 (cha-ching)... i am trying our catherine and her
> cossacks... as a break from tokugawa and his samauri...
>
> we will get back at bright and early monday morning...
I'm seeing this application for a book on Android... "Theory of Social
Revolutions" by Peter Chardon Brooks Adams. He believed that
commercial civilizations rise and fall in predictable cycles. First,
masses of people draw together in large population centers and engage
in commercial activities. As their desire for wealth grows, they
discard spiritual and creative values. Their greed leads to distrust
and dishonesty, and eventually the society crumbles...
I don't need to read the book. I see it happening.
Having the capital relocated to Ottawa is a nice solution. But the
vices of a society are hard to change. Maybe we plan the revolution
for another place.
wrote:
> that is how o'bama gets assassinated and why i brought it up... just
> like kennedy, "if" o'bama gets his second term, he will be
> assassinated trying to negotiate america's surrender under the guise
> of peace negotiations... so what do you think monkey... first offer
> should always be refused... so why not go out there and take down the
> "old glory" and run up that canadian flag?
>
> don't wait too long, the only scraps of skin holding those few
> remaining teeth in place right now is o'bama. you know what will
> happen if the republicans get in don't you? hehehehehe... as
> distasteful as that Jews name is to say, it will speed things up...
> you will likely be under martial law by the end of next summer.
>
> "i am thinking republican this time gang..." bam bam seems to have
> been... well, it "sounds" good and right, truly a tremendous orator,
> but i just don't think he takes your life serious enough monkey. i
> know the republicans, now unable to unleash their toy soldiers into a
> zone that will mean real war not killing sheep, will turn all that red
> neck clan on the american people...
>
> the wisdom monkey, what happens when bullies get a very humiliating
> defeat handed to them... what they do to their wives, kids and
> neighbors when they get home to try and... re-coop some of that
> strength...
>
> have you ever seen the movie or read the book "The Handmaid's
> Tale"?... who knew?
>
> now if it is alright with you, although there really isn't much you
> can do from there, this is wee wee little bit more fun than diablo II
> lords of destruction (cha-ching) but until the teacher gets back not
> as fun as Civ4 (cha-ching)... i am trying our catherine and her
> cossacks... as a break from tokugawa and his samauri...
>
> we will get back at bright and early monday morning...
I'm seeing this application for a book on Android... "Theory of Social
Revolutions" by Peter Chardon Brooks Adams. He believed that
commercial civilizations rise and fall in predictable cycles. First,
masses of people draw together in large population centers and engage
in commercial activities. As their desire for wealth grows, they
discard spiritual and creative values. Their greed leads to distrust
and dishonesty, and eventually the society crumbles...
I don't need to read the book. I see it happening.
Having the capital relocated to Ottawa is a nice solution. But the
vices of a society are hard to change. Maybe we plan the revolution
for another place.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 16, 2012, 4:26:53 PM9/16/12
to
self around gated communities on my Dutch bike. It would make life in
the gated communities look interesting and aristocratic. I look like a
British gentleman, you know.
When you think about it the royalty is way better than the nouveau
rich. In Europe gated communities are hardly needed. Gated communities
are a Third World freak phenomenon. That's what you see in Mexico,
Brazil and South Africa. And they make fast money there and come
here.
The brutish SUVs themselves are hard to tell from those used by the
ghetto boys and construction workers. The capitalist classes never
forgive the aristocracy for being royal and try to make up with flashy
toys. Hey, those cigarette boats are really obnoxious.
But that's only my humble opinion.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 18, 2012, 12:59:00 PM9/18/12
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On Sep 17, 8:43 pm, Love <l...@spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <v5WdnbCv_t5FZsjNnZ2dnUVZ_u-dn...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
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>
> >On 9/15/2012 9:17 PM, Love wrote:
> >> In article<d9mdnQm3Dag9g87NnZ2dnUVZ_hmdn...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
> >> says...
>
> >>> The left is big on "compassion," its a code word for vote buying.
>
> >>> "Belief in the superior compassion of the political left is a worldwide
> >>> phenomenon that goes back at least as far as the 18th century. But in
> >>> all that time, and in all those places, there has been little, if any,
> >>> effort on the left to check this crucial assumption against facts.
>
> >>> "When an empirical study of the actual behavior of American
> >>> conservatives and liberals was published in 2006, it turned out that
> >>> conservatives donated a larger amount of money, and a higher percentage
> >>> of their incomes (which were slightly lower than liberal incomes) to
> >>> philanthropic activities.
>
> >>> "Conservatives also donated more of their time to philanthropic
> >>> activities and donated far more blood than liberals. What is most
> >>> remarkable about this study are not just its results. What is even more
> >>> remarkable is how long it took before anyone even bothered to ask the
> >>> questions. It was just assumed, for centuries, that the left was more
> >>> compassionate."
>
> >>>http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/12/depending-on-dependency
>
> >> Oh pish, subtract the "conservatives" who are
> >> also Christians and I'd bet that the picture
> >> reverses itself, and then so much for your
> >> atheist libertarian brand of "conservative",
> >> which has little more than the word itself
> >> in common with those Christian conservatives.
>
> >> And, BTW, study those Christian conservatives
> >> a bit and see who the beneficiaries of their
> >> charity is. They do a lot of good work, but
> >> it's selective, so just adding up numbers to
> >> generalise about "compassion" is silly. To
> >> them it isn't even compassion, it's duty.
> >> They are good at throwing millions to foreign
> >> missions but the real motive there is
> >> conversion.
>
> >> Do church donations count as "philanthropic
> >> activity"?
>
> >Of course it counts. Why would you want to separate the religious from
> >the non-religious conservatives? Most charities that help the poor have
> >historically been church based.
>
> Church-building is not charity. It is self-serving,
> like building a clubhouse. Not all "philanthropic
> activity" is charity, for that matter.
>
> I am aware of the record of church-based charity,
> and wouldn't argue that conservative religious
> folk don't give more per-capita, but a lot of
> that giving is self-serving and shouldn't count
> for the purpose of your argument.
>
> Religious conservatives themselves shouldn't be
> counted if you are trying to include them in the
> same group as libertarians, whom they have almost
> nothing in common with. Libertarians are just
> liberals with blinders on, not really
> conservatives in the sense that religious
> conservatives are.
The Revolution will be neither Right nor Left. It won't "feed the
wildlife" so "smart people" get the best of it. It won't feed
CORRUPTION either. The Right is ignoring this issue. The roads around
here have been under construction forever while the sidewalks are
falling apart. Nobody cares and big money is going the drain. We would
apply some harsh treatment to those caught wasting public money.
We would ask anyone applying for Welfare, "How can you pay back to
society?" It doesn't have to be an 8 hour job. It can be doing
whatever they can do better. Something easy like 20 hours a week.
They'll feel better as well.
Giving something to someone means to put him down. The Charity
Industry has been a disaster in Haiti and Africa. The missionaries
come disguised as Christians to impose their culture and control
people. Once they control the food and the mind of the people, they
control the world. And corruption is a bigger problem. You may talk
about "aid trickling down to the people" instead of helping the
people. The people of Haiti need to be self reliant and ride bikes,
not be dependent on foreign aid.
> In article <v5WdnbCv_t5FZsjNnZ2dnUVZ_u-dn...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
>
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>
>
>
>
> >On 9/15/2012 9:17 PM, Love wrote:
> >> In article<d9mdnQm3Dag9g87NnZ2dnUVZ_hmdn...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
> >> says...
>
> >>> The left is big on "compassion," its a code word for vote buying.
>
> >>> "Belief in the superior compassion of the political left is a worldwide
> >>> phenomenon that goes back at least as far as the 18th century. But in
> >>> all that time, and in all those places, there has been little, if any,
> >>> effort on the left to check this crucial assumption against facts.
>
> >>> "When an empirical study of the actual behavior of American
> >>> conservatives and liberals was published in 2006, it turned out that
> >>> conservatives donated a larger amount of money, and a higher percentage
> >>> of their incomes (which were slightly lower than liberal incomes) to
> >>> philanthropic activities.
>
> >>> "Conservatives also donated more of their time to philanthropic
> >>> activities and donated far more blood than liberals. What is most
> >>> remarkable about this study are not just its results. What is even more
> >>> remarkable is how long it took before anyone even bothered to ask the
> >>> questions. It was just assumed, for centuries, that the left was more
> >>> compassionate."
>
> >>>http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/12/depending-on-dependency
>
> >> Oh pish, subtract the "conservatives" who are
> >> also Christians and I'd bet that the picture
> >> reverses itself, and then so much for your
> >> atheist libertarian brand of "conservative",
> >> which has little more than the word itself
> >> in common with those Christian conservatives.
>
> >> And, BTW, study those Christian conservatives
> >> a bit and see who the beneficiaries of their
> >> charity is. They do a lot of good work, but
> >> it's selective, so just adding up numbers to
> >> generalise about "compassion" is silly. To
> >> them it isn't even compassion, it's duty.
> >> They are good at throwing millions to foreign
> >> missions but the real motive there is
> >> conversion.
>
> >> Do church donations count as "philanthropic
> >> activity"?
>
> >Of course it counts. Why would you want to separate the religious from
> >the non-religious conservatives? Most charities that help the poor have
> >historically been church based.
>
> Church-building is not charity. It is self-serving,
> like building a clubhouse. Not all "philanthropic
> activity" is charity, for that matter.
>
> I am aware of the record of church-based charity,
> and wouldn't argue that conservative religious
> folk don't give more per-capita, but a lot of
> that giving is self-serving and shouldn't count
> for the purpose of your argument.
>
> Religious conservatives themselves shouldn't be
> counted if you are trying to include them in the
> same group as libertarians, whom they have almost
> nothing in common with. Libertarians are just
> liberals with blinders on, not really
> conservatives in the sense that religious
> conservatives are.
The Revolution will be neither Right nor Left. It won't "feed the
wildlife" so "smart people" get the best of it. It won't feed
CORRUPTION either. The Right is ignoring this issue. The roads around
here have been under construction forever while the sidewalks are
falling apart. Nobody cares and big money is going the drain. We would
apply some harsh treatment to those caught wasting public money.
We would ask anyone applying for Welfare, "How can you pay back to
society?" It doesn't have to be an 8 hour job. It can be doing
whatever they can do better. Something easy like 20 hours a week.
They'll feel better as well.
Giving something to someone means to put him down. The Charity
Industry has been a disaster in Haiti and Africa. The missionaries
come disguised as Christians to impose their culture and control
people. Once they control the food and the mind of the people, they
control the world. And corruption is a bigger problem. You may talk
about "aid trickling down to the people" instead of helping the
people. The people of Haiti need to be self reliant and ride bikes,
not be dependent on foreign aid.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 19, 2012, 3:23:05 PM9/19/12
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On Sep 18, 6:05 pm, green <be...@apolka.net> wrote:
> and not to depend on someone else to fix
> the sidewalks you complain about.
>
> Why focus on Haiti and what you think Haiti needs?
>
> Why not go fix a sidewalk near you?
The irony of it all is that it would easier for me to fix Haiti than
the sidewalks where I live. The corners have been dug up for some
ornamental and rather dangerous purpose and left like that for quite a
while. What should I do, show up with a shovel and demonstrate my
willingness to fix the world?
I'll probably be better off talking revolution here. Yes, it's all
politics.
It comes to mind some saying that goes, "Lead, follow or get out the
way!" Oh no, it's easier to bitch about someone's revolution than
creating one. Let me hear how you'd make the world be a better place.
Even the Buddhists are creating a Utopia in the Kingdom of Bhutan...
http://findingutopia.org/bhutan-images.html
Yes, Utopia is more real than Nirvana. There are many Utopias around,
but some have become a dystopia. This is a capitalist Utopia gone
wrong. Democracy has come to mean "gay rights," while the Wise Man is
in the cage.
What's the job of the monkey? Make noise and have fun!
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> > You may talk
> >about "aid trickling down to the people" instead of helping the
> >people. The people of Haiti need to be self reliant and ride bikes,
> >not be dependent on foreign aid.
>
> You don't seem to be very self reliant,
> > You may talk
> >about "aid trickling down to the people" instead of helping the
> >people. The people of Haiti need to be self reliant and ride bikes,
> >not be dependent on foreign aid.
>
> and not to depend on someone else to fix
> the sidewalks you complain about.
>
> Why focus on Haiti and what you think Haiti needs?
>
> Why not go fix a sidewalk near you?
>
> >But that's only my humble opinion.
>
> Sounds rather ironic.
> >But that's only my humble opinion.
>
The irony of it all is that it would easier for me to fix Haiti than
the sidewalks where I live. The corners have been dug up for some
ornamental and rather dangerous purpose and left like that for quite a
while. What should I do, show up with a shovel and demonstrate my
willingness to fix the world?
I'll probably be better off talking revolution here. Yes, it's all
politics.
It comes to mind some saying that goes, "Lead, follow or get out the
way!" Oh no, it's easier to bitch about someone's revolution than
creating one. Let me hear how you'd make the world be a better place.
Even the Buddhists are creating a Utopia in the Kingdom of Bhutan...
http://findingutopia.org/bhutan-images.html
Yes, Utopia is more real than Nirvana. There are many Utopias around,
but some have become a dystopia. This is a capitalist Utopia gone
wrong. Democracy has come to mean "gay rights," while the Wise Man is
in the cage.
What's the job of the monkey? Make noise and have fun!
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 19, 2012, 3:52:36 PM9/19/12
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On Sep 18, 8:59 pm, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 13, 10:55 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
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> <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 13, 9:18 pm, Love <l...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > In article <qcCdndlWQZpDHM_NnZ2dnUVZ_o-dn...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
> > > says...
>
> It was called the manorial system, where those on welfare worked on
> farms and in exchanged, received protection.
>
> Michael
And modern Europe is often too giving. They have made a lot of
progress though.
The Revolution must strike a balance. It's NOT only about
REDISTRIBUTION & WELFARE. Maybe the poor should keep some garden
before getting some carrot. If they ignore that the carrot was
harvested by some underpaid Mexican worker, then they may not
appreciate their own carrot.
It sounds like Utopia but around here --in this dystopian community--
we have a community garden. The community is still full of shit --
that's dog shit and cat shit. And nobody picks it up. Is there
unlimited potential for work keeping up one's community?
I think so. Not too much though. Just enough to make a living. "Work
to live, not live to work" is the new ethics.
> On Sep 13, 10:55 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
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> <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 13, 9:18 pm, Love <l...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > In article <qcCdndlWQZpDHM_NnZ2dnUVZ_o-dn...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
> > > says...
>
> > > >On 9/13/2012 8:17 PM, Love wrote:
> > > >> So you voluntarily agree to remain a citizen of
> > > >> a country that "makes" you pay taxes, or will you
> > > >> claim that you are a slave who is forced to remain,
> > > >> at the point of a gun?
>
> > > >> See this little thing in my fingers? It's the
> > > >> world's tiniest violin.
>
> > > >Yeah right. Sharing is voluntary, and any "agreement" that says I will
> > > >be locked up if I don't do it is coercion which invalidates any "contract".
>
> > > >Giving is a wonderful thing that ennobles the giver and uplifts those
> > > >who receive. A system that forcibly redistributes wealth has nothing to
> > > >do with charity as it degrades the receiver and enslaves the payer.
>
> > > >On 9/13/2012 8:17 PM, Love wrote:
> > > >> So you voluntarily agree to remain a citizen of
> > > >> a country that "makes" you pay taxes, or will you
> > > >> claim that you are a slave who is forced to remain,
> > > >> at the point of a gun?
>
> > > >> See this little thing in my fingers? It's the
> > > >> world's tiniest violin.
>
> > > >Yeah right. Sharing is voluntary, and any "agreement" that says I will
> > > >be locked up if I don't do it is coercion which invalidates any "contract".
>
> > > >Giving is a wonderful thing that ennobles the giver and uplifts those
> > > >who receive. A system that forcibly redistributes wealth has nothing to
> > > >do with charity as it degrades the receiver and enslaves the payer.
>
> > > I'm still playing that tiny violin for you.
>
> > > Charity does not ennoble. No one ever said that
> > > "redistribution" was based on the notion of charity,
> > > except that whackjob Ayn Rand, and she was wrong.
>
> > I agree, but redistribution should be accompanied with frugality and
> > responsibility. NO FREE HANDOUTS... meaning everyone should be
> > expected to do something according to their means or pay some money
> > for a service. For example, paying $25 to see a doctor would prevent
> > abuses. I wouldn't give full welfare to someone who drives a car. You
> > better use public transportation, ride a bike or walk. Let the poor be
> > healthy, not couch potatoes. Reduce welfare to smokers.
>
> > NYC is doing some of these things and it's working. Remember, THE
> > REVOLUTION IS ABOUT SOLUTIONS. Throwing money at the problem often
> > feeds corruption. I've seen it with my own eyes. "Do not feed the
> > wildlife" is a sign often used where feeding the animals produces
> > dependency. Don't let them go hungry or go without healthcare either.
> > Those are human rights.
>
> medieval Europe also had a form of welfare with no free handouts.
>
> > > Charity does not ennoble. No one ever said that
> > > "redistribution" was based on the notion of charity,
> > > except that whackjob Ayn Rand, and she was wrong.
>
> > I agree, but redistribution should be accompanied with frugality and
> > responsibility. NO FREE HANDOUTS... meaning everyone should be
> > expected to do something according to their means or pay some money
> > for a service. For example, paying $25 to see a doctor would prevent
> > abuses. I wouldn't give full welfare to someone who drives a car. You
> > better use public transportation, ride a bike or walk. Let the poor be
> > healthy, not couch potatoes. Reduce welfare to smokers.
>
> > NYC is doing some of these things and it's working. Remember, THE
> > REVOLUTION IS ABOUT SOLUTIONS. Throwing money at the problem often
> > feeds corruption. I've seen it with my own eyes. "Do not feed the
> > wildlife" is a sign often used where feeding the animals produces
> > dependency. Don't let them go hungry or go without healthcare either.
> > Those are human rights.
>
>
> It was called the manorial system, where those on welfare worked on
> farms and in exchanged, received protection.
>
> Michael
And modern Europe is often too giving. They have made a lot of
progress though.
The Revolution must strike a balance. It's NOT only about
REDISTRIBUTION & WELFARE. Maybe the poor should keep some garden
before getting some carrot. If they ignore that the carrot was
harvested by some underpaid Mexican worker, then they may not
appreciate their own carrot.
It sounds like Utopia but around here --in this dystopian community--
we have a community garden. The community is still full of shit --
that's dog shit and cat shit. And nobody picks it up. Is there
unlimited potential for work keeping up one's community?
I think so. Not too much though. Just enough to make a living. "Work
to live, not live to work" is the new ethics.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 20, 2012, 3:21:45 PM9/20/12
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On Sep 19, 4:38 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:36:43 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 18, 2:42 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Where did you get the insane notion that anyone cared about your
> >> fruitcake opinions?
>
> >Someone out there cares about it. Arrogance always dooms the
> >powerful.
>
> >Study how Rome fell to the Barbarians.
>
> Perhaps your mommy cares... can you direct your whines toward her?
Well, there is your big mistake. The aristocracies have learned form
their mistakes when they were crushed by the revolutions in France and
Russia. But notice, the aristocracy is smarter and better educated.
Now they have learned to share in Europe and elsewhere.
The problem --the bigger problem anyway-- is the NEW RICH. They are
too arrogant and illiterate to learn from the past. They think they
are protected from Climate Change and revolutions elsewhere. Prince
Charles tends an organic garden and calls for change, but you drive
ever bigger trucks and isolate in gated communities in greater
numbers. You expect the whole world to live in gated communities and
drive big trucks?
You don't know the real world because you live behind walls. At a time
communism seemed invincible but that wall in Berlin was a pain. Then
Globalization came will walls and democracy. Now we have replaced
Apartheid with gated communities that have the same effect. Your
Supersized Unsafe Vehicles have come to dominate the capitalist jungle
with great display of power.
Sorry, everything is just an illusion, a brief illusion in terms of
evolution. You are just inviting revolution or extinction.
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:36:43 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 18, 2:42 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Where did you get the insane notion that anyone cared about your
> >> fruitcake opinions?
>
> >Someone out there cares about it. Arrogance always dooms the
> >powerful.
>
> >Study how Rome fell to the Barbarians.
>
> Perhaps your mommy cares... can you direct your whines toward her?
Well, there is your big mistake. The aristocracies have learned form
their mistakes when they were crushed by the revolutions in France and
Russia. But notice, the aristocracy is smarter and better educated.
Now they have learned to share in Europe and elsewhere.
The problem --the bigger problem anyway-- is the NEW RICH. They are
too arrogant and illiterate to learn from the past. They think they
are protected from Climate Change and revolutions elsewhere. Prince
Charles tends an organic garden and calls for change, but you drive
ever bigger trucks and isolate in gated communities in greater
numbers. You expect the whole world to live in gated communities and
drive big trucks?
You don't know the real world because you live behind walls. At a time
communism seemed invincible but that wall in Berlin was a pain. Then
Globalization came will walls and democracy. Now we have replaced
Apartheid with gated communities that have the same effect. Your
Supersized Unsafe Vehicles have come to dominate the capitalist jungle
with great display of power.
Sorry, everything is just an illusion, a brief illusion in terms of
evolution. You are just inviting revolution or extinction.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 28, 2012, 9:43:12 AM9/28/12
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On Sep 27, 10:19 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
<thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 27, 3:35 pm, Tim <8.tim.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 9:37 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Life in the cage..
>
> > > If you ask my dog he would tell that's no life. He can take a bird
> > > cage for a while but that's because he's looking outside. And his
> > > master ALWAYS takes him out.
>
> > > Do our masters provide for us being out of the cage?
>
> > birds sing in the cage monkey.
>
> > dogs bark.
>
> > what is better to the ear?
>
> > and yet, it is suffering.
>
> Birds are unhappy in cage, dog is happy is cage.
>
> That's because I take him out to walk. That's my only walk for the day
> too.
>
> How much should a humble man walk? Why the rich don't care about the
> most humble bipedal activity? I'll think about while I walk the dog.
I thought about it while walking my dog and I realized that walking
the dog is a "bourgeois pursuit." The Wise Man must walk and walk --or
ride and ride-- until he's tired.
Around here members of the idle class walk their dogs, being that
their only time out of the cage --for both master and dog. It has
become the only time out of the cage for me, but I intend to remedy
that.
Now let's remember the good old times:
The Tramp and the "Idle Class"
The Little Tramp represented a set of values at once deeply attractive
and deeply threatening; at the core of this set of values is freedom
from the structure of society. By donning the ill-fitting suit of the
Tramp, Chaplin was taking on a healthy load of symbolic baggage. His
Tramp did not make people feel guilty, ashamed, or afraid; rather,
they felt entertained.
The Tramp did not have to enact a revolution because his very
existence was a revolt. His bodily freedom, expressed comedically,
represented a freedom from the class structure in such a way so as to
appeal to the new denizens of popular culture without the stigma of an
overt political agenda.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~1930s/film/chaplin/meth3.html
***
In other words, Chaplin was the monkey roaming free. That's hard to do
nowadays. The Rich control the movie industry and the streets. Gated
Communities and SUVs are the very symbols of their arrogance.
<thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 27, 3:35 pm, Tim <8.tim.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 9:37 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Life in the cage..
>
> > > If you ask my dog he would tell that's no life. He can take a bird
> > > cage for a while but that's because he's looking outside. And his
> > > master ALWAYS takes him out.
>
> > > Do our masters provide for us being out of the cage?
>
> > birds sing in the cage monkey.
>
> > dogs bark.
>
> > what is better to the ear?
>
> > and yet, it is suffering.
>
> Birds are unhappy in cage, dog is happy is cage.
>
> That's because I take him out to walk. That's my only walk for the day
> too.
>
> How much should a humble man walk? Why the rich don't care about the
> most humble bipedal activity? I'll think about while I walk the dog.
I thought about it while walking my dog and I realized that walking
the dog is a "bourgeois pursuit." The Wise Man must walk and walk --or
ride and ride-- until he's tired.
Around here members of the idle class walk their dogs, being that
their only time out of the cage --for both master and dog. It has
become the only time out of the cage for me, but I intend to remedy
that.
Now let's remember the good old times:
The Tramp and the "Idle Class"
The Little Tramp represented a set of values at once deeply attractive
and deeply threatening; at the core of this set of values is freedom
from the structure of society. By donning the ill-fitting suit of the
Tramp, Chaplin was taking on a healthy load of symbolic baggage. His
Tramp did not make people feel guilty, ashamed, or afraid; rather,
they felt entertained.
The Tramp did not have to enact a revolution because his very
existence was a revolt. His bodily freedom, expressed comedically,
represented a freedom from the class structure in such a way so as to
appeal to the new denizens of popular culture without the stigma of an
overt political agenda.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~1930s/film/chaplin/meth3.html
***
In other words, Chaplin was the monkey roaming free. That's hard to do
nowadays. The Rich control the movie industry and the streets. Gated
Communities and SUVs are the very symbols of their arrogance.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Sep 29, 2012, 6:22:09 PM9/29/12
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On Sep 28, 11:31 am, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
> Le 28/09/2012 17:19, Wet Paper Bag a écrit :
>
> > iow... well down monkey. there is some real writing in there. but the
> > chaplin bit? you are such an ass kisser.
>
> takes one to know one hehe
Everything that proves my case is good for the revolution. Chaplin
could be the perfect symbol of liberation:
"In the Tramp, Chaplin found a vehicle for the expression of an
authentic experience. The substance of this experience was the
fulfilled desire for physical freedom in a society structured to
obstruct ease of mobility. Charlie's ability to move so easily and
with such authenticity resonated with his audience's frustration at
the restriction of lives governed by social propriety, the class
structure and, especially in the thirties, the regime of
mechanization."
***
So we are looking for s-p-a-c-e to move around freely. Today more than
ever mechanization is the only option. The human being is
insignificant. No place to walk or ride a bike.
And we have no one making us laugh about the establishment. Unless you
want to laugh about the antics of the monkey. That's funny.
http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/funny_monkey.jpg
> Le 28/09/2012 17:19, Wet Paper Bag a écrit :
>
> > iow... well down monkey. there is some real writing in there. but the
> > chaplin bit? you are such an ass kisser.
>
> takes one to know one hehe
Everything that proves my case is good for the revolution. Chaplin
could be the perfect symbol of liberation:
"In the Tramp, Chaplin found a vehicle for the expression of an
authentic experience. The substance of this experience was the
fulfilled desire for physical freedom in a society structured to
obstruct ease of mobility. Charlie's ability to move so easily and
with such authenticity resonated with his audience's frustration at
the restriction of lives governed by social propriety, the class
structure and, especially in the thirties, the regime of
mechanization."
***
So we are looking for s-p-a-c-e to move around freely. Today more than
ever mechanization is the only option. The human being is
insignificant. No place to walk or ride a bike.
And we have no one making us laugh about the establishment. Unless you
want to laugh about the antics of the monkey. That's funny.
http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/funny_monkey.jpg
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Oct 1, 2012, 12:29:45 PM10/1/12
to
On Oct 1, 9:30 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
<thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think this is kind of related here. Well, "everything" is related in
> the jungle:
>
> On Sep 30, 12:19 pm, Nickname unavailable
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <video61%tcq....@gtempaccount.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 30, 9:23 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Their type have made a wasteland out of America. Anonymous sprawls,
> > > trucks and Walmarts, where obesity and churches are the norm. The
> > > church part is because they are looking for meaning. But there's isn't
> > > any meaning to their lifestyle. It's sick!
>
> > you cannot reason with people who are missing all of the traits that
> > make them human, so forget trying to reason with steve. some day
> > americans are going to see all of the demagoguery for what it is.
> > simply sociopthas who despise civil society. they got a hold of
> > central europe in the 1930's, they are trying it here in america
> > today.
> > its very hard to counter them once they get a public mouth. many are
> > very charismatic(another sign of a sociopath), and attract the weak
> > minded. one can only hope that they tip themselves off to the public
> > before they can destroy all that is good. they are close now, but i
> > think they may have over played it, another sign of a sociopath.
>
> The trend started with a charismatic leader --Reagan-- disguising the
> philosophy of "dog eat dog" as "trickle down economics." Well, it
> never trickled down. Wealth went abroad and went to buy them
> antisocial vehicles and some real estate isolated from the people they
> so much despise. I don't know why they even claim they live in
> democracy.
>
> This is FEUDALISM.
I don't want to give the false impression that I confuse "democracy"
with "feudalism." Actually I may prefer this system we live under as
DEMOCRATIC FEUDALISM. Yes, a portion of the population is there to
lend support to the idea, but a big chunk of the people feels
disfranchised and doesn't even bother, and there is --most
importantly-- a privileged few who enjoy the full benefit of the
system. They are the lords and overlords who enjoy their gated
communities and SUVs. A state of permanent war is necessary to keep
the system going.
But the "serfs" are struggling in life because... We'll we don't know
even why, but a serf is denied mobility when it means relying on his
own energy. It's pretty much like a serf having his own windmill. The
lords don't like the idea of self-sufficiency. And when you must feed
the system, then the lords are happy. You need to buy a machine that
is compounded with interests and you are in servitude for 5 years or
whatever.
So we are living another Dark Age. And a new vision is around the
horizon. That's the revolution.
<thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think this is kind of related here. Well, "everything" is related in
> the jungle:
>
> On Sep 30, 12:19 pm, Nickname unavailable
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <video61%tcq....@gtempaccount.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 30, 9:23 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Their type have made a wasteland out of America. Anonymous sprawls,
> > > trucks and Walmarts, where obesity and churches are the norm. The
> > > church part is because they are looking for meaning. But there's isn't
> > > any meaning to their lifestyle. It's sick!
>
> > you cannot reason with people who are missing all of the traits that
> > make them human, so forget trying to reason with steve. some day
> > americans are going to see all of the demagoguery for what it is.
> > simply sociopthas who despise civil society. they got a hold of
> > central europe in the 1930's, they are trying it here in america
> > today.
> > its very hard to counter them once they get a public mouth. many are
> > very charismatic(another sign of a sociopath), and attract the weak
> > minded. one can only hope that they tip themselves off to the public
> > before they can destroy all that is good. they are close now, but i
> > think they may have over played it, another sign of a sociopath.
>
> The trend started with a charismatic leader --Reagan-- disguising the
> philosophy of "dog eat dog" as "trickle down economics." Well, it
> never trickled down. Wealth went abroad and went to buy them
> antisocial vehicles and some real estate isolated from the people they
> so much despise. I don't know why they even claim they live in
> democracy.
>
> This is FEUDALISM.
I don't want to give the false impression that I confuse "democracy"
with "feudalism." Actually I may prefer this system we live under as
DEMOCRATIC FEUDALISM. Yes, a portion of the population is there to
lend support to the idea, but a big chunk of the people feels
disfranchised and doesn't even bother, and there is --most
importantly-- a privileged few who enjoy the full benefit of the
system. They are the lords and overlords who enjoy their gated
communities and SUVs. A state of permanent war is necessary to keep
the system going.
But the "serfs" are struggling in life because... We'll we don't know
even why, but a serf is denied mobility when it means relying on his
own energy. It's pretty much like a serf having his own windmill. The
lords don't like the idea of self-sufficiency. And when you must feed
the system, then the lords are happy. You need to buy a machine that
is compounded with interests and you are in servitude for 5 years or
whatever.
So we are living another Dark Age. And a new vision is around the
horizon. That's the revolution.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Oct 1, 2012, 3:55:12 PM10/1/12
to
On Oct 1, 12:50 pm, Tim <8.tim.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1 Oct, 09:33, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You just hibernate there and when you wake up, you may the revolution
> > right there. The "dinosaur" will be no more. You have your grievances,
>
> wow. yeah. whatever. how many more generations, epochs and maya great
> count cycles do you think you will be needing monkey?
>
> > you address them and they'll be solved in 72 hours. It's like calling
> > customer service.
>
> it is just like customer service but what is in question here is who
> is the customer? it seems that your free will democracically elected
> stooges work for you. they have a different idea. and it is all tied
> together under the will of the people. do you think the complete
> miscarriage and raping of lady justice will help your revolution
> monkey? you seem to have missed the meal and gone straight to
> dessert.
>
> what are the conditions of every successful, and in some cases failed,
> revolutions? that at the end of the road there will be good things
> again and no one cares who is in charge as long as their is a good
> ending. so revolution here is completely misguided you stupid little
> monkey. totally the wrong word. anarachy is what you mean. so the next
> time you face those lions accept that they will not change. the
> conditions are not right, the ingredients are not present.
>
> > No place to walk? We can either provide you a sidewalk or a bike
> > facility. The bike facility itself may take advantage of the current
> > road, so we can save money in infrastructure. Tell you what, I'll give
> > you a whole traffic lane for you...
>
> > Happy now? Have a nice day!
>
> happy now? was i unhappy before monkey? how could you tell?
>
> but if you want a real look, a real insight, consider that allegedly
> among this alt.zen are some of the most enlightened, elite ivory
> towered intellectuals the world can find and yet, well, take your
> leadership monkey. that is exactly what people want. your style of
> lameness and stupidity that is obsessed on a point of fact that is so
> obvious. really, we should all ride bikes. great idea. how much does a
> bike cost? feed the world!
I thought we said the revolution is for Africa. Canada is a fairly
democratic country without gated communities and no... well, not so
many SUVs percapita.
I just don't understand how Canada --a country with a strong European
heritage-- can not have efficient French cars and turns instead to
Supersized Unsafe Vehicles. Where are the Renaults, Peugeots and
Citroens?
France is turning toward electric cars and you are way behind the
revolution. Yes, it's a technological revolution but it may also help
the planet. That's the bottom line, right?
These are the main goals of the revolution:
1- Saving the planet,
2- Providing space to walk and ride a bike,
3- Embracing new technologies,
4- Saving God, who's in a cage, remember?
> On 1 Oct, 09:33, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You just hibernate there and when you wake up, you may the revolution
> > right there. The "dinosaur" will be no more. You have your grievances,
>
> wow. yeah. whatever. how many more generations, epochs and maya great
> count cycles do you think you will be needing monkey?
>
> > you address them and they'll be solved in 72 hours. It's like calling
> > customer service.
>
> it is just like customer service but what is in question here is who
> is the customer? it seems that your free will democracically elected
> stooges work for you. they have a different idea. and it is all tied
> together under the will of the people. do you think the complete
> miscarriage and raping of lady justice will help your revolution
> monkey? you seem to have missed the meal and gone straight to
> dessert.
>
> what are the conditions of every successful, and in some cases failed,
> revolutions? that at the end of the road there will be good things
> again and no one cares who is in charge as long as their is a good
> ending. so revolution here is completely misguided you stupid little
> monkey. totally the wrong word. anarachy is what you mean. so the next
> time you face those lions accept that they will not change. the
> conditions are not right, the ingredients are not present.
>
> > No place to walk? We can either provide you a sidewalk or a bike
> > facility. The bike facility itself may take advantage of the current
> > road, so we can save money in infrastructure. Tell you what, I'll give
> > you a whole traffic lane for you...
>
> > Happy now? Have a nice day!
>
> happy now? was i unhappy before monkey? how could you tell?
>
> but if you want a real look, a real insight, consider that allegedly
> among this alt.zen are some of the most enlightened, elite ivory
> towered intellectuals the world can find and yet, well, take your
> leadership monkey. that is exactly what people want. your style of
> lameness and stupidity that is obsessed on a point of fact that is so
> obvious. really, we should all ride bikes. great idea. how much does a
> bike cost? feed the world!
I thought we said the revolution is for Africa. Canada is a fairly
democratic country without gated communities and no... well, not so
many SUVs percapita.
I just don't understand how Canada --a country with a strong European
heritage-- can not have efficient French cars and turns instead to
Supersized Unsafe Vehicles. Where are the Renaults, Peugeots and
Citroens?
France is turning toward electric cars and you are way behind the
revolution. Yes, it's a technological revolution but it may also help
the planet. That's the bottom line, right?
These are the main goals of the revolution:
1- Saving the planet,
2- Providing space to walk and ride a bike,
3- Embracing new technologies,
4- Saving God, who's in a cage, remember?
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Oct 2, 2012, 2:35:44 PM10/2/12
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On Oct 2, 12:48 pm, Wet Paper Bag <ultimate.henchman....@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 1 Oct, 13:46, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Some say we behave like a virus. But it's all the fault of those who
force us to live one way or another. Where's that preventive medicine?
>
>
>
> > 2- Providing space to walk and ride a bike,
>
> whatever.
>
>
>
> > 3- Embracing new technologies,
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> like what? i was the best technology ever created. humans didn't
> discover perspective until the 1500s and didn't discover gravity until
> 1700s. does not bode well for something new, something old.
> unimaginative people have no chance of discovering the next big thing.
> that is why they invented then cornered the market. can't do anything
> about that. and now, i have decided not to co-operate.
Nuclear energy, electric cars (including the Canadian Bombardier NEV),
solar energy, wind energy, pedal power. They are all solutions to be
promoted by the revolution.
http://www.greencar.com/articles/bombardier-debuts-under-7000-neighborhood-electric-vehicle.php
> is no cage monkey. do as you will.
I've heard it a lot from religious people: "Satan is loose!" Then
where's God. It's obvious. "God is in the cage!"
I think Satan takes him out once in a while on a leash so he can pee
and shit. Poor God. He needs to be rescued!
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> On 1 Oct, 13:46, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
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> <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > These are the main goals of the revolution:
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> > 1- Saving the planet,
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> shut it down.
> <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > These are the main goals of the revolution:
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> > 1- Saving the planet,
>
Some say we behave like a virus. But it's all the fault of those who
force us to live one way or another. Where's that preventive medicine?
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> > 2- Providing space to walk and ride a bike,
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> > 3- Embracing new technologies,
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> like what? i was the best technology ever created. humans didn't
> discover perspective until the 1500s and didn't discover gravity until
> 1700s. does not bode well for something new, something old.
> unimaginative people have no chance of discovering the next big thing.
> that is why they invented then cornered the market. can't do anything
> about that. and now, i have decided not to co-operate.
Nuclear energy, electric cars (including the Canadian Bombardier NEV),
solar energy, wind energy, pedal power. They are all solutions to be
promoted by the revolution.
http://www.greencar.com/articles/bombardier-debuts-under-7000-neighborhood-electric-vehicle.php
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> > 4- Saving God, who's in a cage, remember?
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> god is not in a cage monkey. the devil is not in a cage either. there
>
>
> > 4- Saving God, who's in a cage, remember?
>
> is no cage monkey. do as you will.
I've heard it a lot from religious people: "Satan is loose!" Then
where's God. It's obvious. "God is in the cage!"
I think Satan takes him out once in a while on a leash so he can pee
and shit. Poor God. He needs to be rescued!
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