JESUS IS KING OF THE JEWS! (last update 72-3532v45.3eb)
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PHILIP
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>Here's absolute proof that Jesus is *your* Lord and King...
> (if you'd like me to read your reply, please be sure to
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> 'Lord of the Sabbath'
>
> The "Seventy Weeks" prophecy found at Daniel 9:24-27
> is proven historically accurate-to-the-day 483 years
> after the date that the priestly scribe Ezra had gone
> forth with Artaxerxes' imperial edict to restore and
> build, which proves Gabriel's prophecy--and therefore
> the Book of Daniel--is irrefutably genuine, and which
> also proves that *Jesus the Nazarene* is the One and
> Only Messiah of the Old Covenant Scriptures(TaNaKh).
> All detractors and proponents alike may now consider
> themselves hereby properly edified, knowing now with
> certainty that Jesus the Christ is your Lord and King.
> Readers are advised to stop right here, dust off your
> Bible and read every "red letter" command of our King.
>
> The FACT that The King of kings Jesus Christ did quote
> Daniel as "the prophet"[ref. Mat 24:15; Mark 13:14] is
> the Supreme Authority endorsing Daniel's autograph as
> genuine, thus the balance of this article is provided
> merely as a FREE public service, as a matter of record.
> Please copy, quote and distribute this article freely.
> Also, enjoy edifying those secular "skeptic" types who
> casually laud their science as "debunking" historicity
> of the Hebrew Canon's Old and New Covenant Scriptures,
> when in fact all extant evidence always favors and oft
> proves the Scriptures historical, since they are true.
> Such views may seem "extreme" to the uninitiated, i.e.,
> to those not yet (re)born in the Holy Spirit, but the
> evidence of Scriptural historicity is incontrovertible:
> EVERY golden word of Lord King Jesus is *your* command!
> And while the secular crowd will engage in trite cavil
> (like they always do)in vain attempts to discredit the
> Bible and its message, the gospel of Christ crucified,
> such inevitably has the very reverse effect of drawing
> much-appreciated scrutiny to these ancient Scriptures,
> since in every single case the evidence weighs heavily
> in the gravity of its merit, with the Scriptures fully
> intact, and humiliated skeptics running home to mamma!
>
> Stay tuned for accompanying attachments and the latest
> updates which I'll post periodically to the newsgroups
> for each reader's convenience and continued edification.
> Oh yes, and if you'd like a name for future reference,
> do feel free to quote me as "Ma'aminei YHSH ha-Notsri",
> meaning I AM among those who confess Jesus the Nazarene
> is the Christ: Son of the Living God. Or just quote me
> as "anonymous author" if you prefer. God is my Judge.
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Before proceeding, please note the following:
>
> -All planetary positions have been recalculated using the
> high-precision(untruncated) VSOP87(Variations Seculaires
> des Orbites Planetaires) theory of Bretagnon and Francou,
> with all lunar positions recalculated using the revised
> (untruncated) ELP-2000/82 lunar theory of Chapront-Touze
> and J. Chapront[Bureau des Longitudes]. Dynamical time,
> ecliptic obliquity, nutation, precession and aberration
> calculations made using high-precision algorithms and
> coefficient tables to significant figures indicated,
> yielding accuracy for geocentric positions comfortably
> within +/- several arcseconds for all dates calculated.
> There are several excellent software programs available
> for checking these calculations, such as Guide or SkyMap.
> For example, even using the low-precision(abridged) mode,
> Guide's accuracy for all planetary positions in the year
> 0[1 BC] through 1000 AD yields the following "errors" in
> arcseconds[an arcsecond is one-sixtieth of an arcminute]:
>
> Position errors for 0-1000 AD
> Planet Longitude Latitude
> RMS Max RMS Max
> Mercury 0.52 2.48 0.39 1.87
> Venus 0.43 1.27 0.25 1.03
> Earth 0.16 0.52 0.08 0.28
> Mars 0.63 2.46 0.38 1.29
> Jupiter 0.61 2.45 0.33 0.98
> Saturn 0.72 2.55 0.42 2.03
> Uranus 0.63 1.97 0.29 0.82
> Neptune 0.41 1.13 0.25 0.64
>
> So Mercury might've been out no more than 3.1 arcseconds
> (in abridged mode) at the time Herod died 1 BC, with all
> lunar positions accurate to within +/- about 100 meters!
> OBVIOUSLY, even "lo"-precision accuracy is much in excess
> of anything possibly required for accurately determining
> ancient lunisolar calendar dates within +/- one calendar
> day, but using the high-precision algorithms/coefficient
> tables assures the reader that all astronomical data I've
> presented is as accurate as can possibly be, and no more.
>
> -Location data preset to Jerusalem 31:46:48 N x 35:13:12 E
> for all astronomical calculations presented hereinbelow,
> with local times in Jerusalem Standard Time(GMT +2:00).
> Be certain to remember that each day in the Hebrew/Jewish
> calendar begins at sundown the day *before*, and ends at
> sundown that same day; e.g., the Julian calendar date of
> Thursday, September 19, 457 BC is counted as the Hebrew
> calendar date of 1 Tishri 3305, but the Hebrew calendar
> reckons the Julian Thursday as beginning at sundown the
> previous day, or Wednesday evening on the Julian calendar.
> This Old Covenant "sundown-to-sundown" convention of the
> Scriptures is found starting in the Torah[Law of Moses],
> at the Book of Genesis ch 1 vs 5: "And God called the
> light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the
> evening and the morning were the first day." With the
> evening counted from sundown to sunrise, and the morning
> counted from sunrise to sunset, the Hebrew calendar is
> always (-/+) six hours *ahead* of the Julian calendar in
> terms of what day of the week it is, a fact which proves
> helpful in identifying ancient lunisolar calendar dates,
> which lunisolar calendar dates were established based on
> *strictly-observed* ancient sacred Torah calendar rules.
> By contrast with the ancient Mayan calendar, which dates
> to at least 355 BC and is the most accurate calendar in
> existence---predicting a near-perfect conjunction of our
> winter solstice Sun with the galactic & ecliptic plane's
> intercept point[Mayan Sacred Tree]at the end of the Mayan
> Long Count, which is the Mayan calendar date 13.0.0.0.0 or
> December 21, 2012, which cycle started with the "birth of
> Venus" August 13, 3114 BC, likewise counted as 13.0.0.0.0
> over FIVE THOUSAND years earlier!---the lunisolar calendar
> of Moses was rather crude, but was effective for counting
> the days, months and years of the lunisolar cycle, and for
> observing Old Covenant Holy Days so utterly crucial to the
> ancient Hebrew existence prior to our Lord's crucifixion:
>
> "And God said, Let there be lights in the
> firmament of the heaven to divide the day
> from the night; and let them be for signs,
> and for seasons, and for days, and years."
> --Gen 1:14 KJV
>
> And, while it isn't likely that Moses actually invented the
> sacred lunisolar calendar--as surely it is far older than
> merely 3400 years,--we do know from reading the Scriptures
> that Moses had introduced it and used it in his lifetime,
> and it has been in use continually by the Jewish people,
> but probably dates to long-forgotten antediluvian times.
> Note that the Julian Calendar was invented by Greek scholar
> and Alexandrian astronomer Sosigenes in 44 BC at the behest
> of Gaius Julius C'sar, although not made operational until
> 2 AD under emperor Augustus. Due to subsequent revisions,
> the original Julian calendar remains only similar to its
> modern-day corollary, the Gregorian calendar. Sosigenes had
> estimated the length of the solar year to be 365 days and
> 6 hours. As every fourth year went by, those extra 6 hours
> per year were collectively added as one extra 24-hour day,
> making every 4th year a 366-day "leap year"[cognate to Old
> Norse `hlaupa', to leap]. Eventually it was discovered that
> the true solar year is about 11 minutes 14 seconds shorter
> than Sosigenes had calculated, with a tropical year today
> calculated at 365.242199 days in length. This modest error
> compounded over time, about 7 extra days per millennium.
> The Vernal, or spring equinox, was used as the benchmark
> for "recalibrating" the calendar dates, thus assuring its
> continued (relative)accuracy over time. But, as a result,
> by 1545 the spring equinox(which the Catholic Church had
> used for determining Easter[Ishtar]) had "moved" entirely
> *ten days* ahead of its proper date, rather, the date had
> "skipped" ten days beyond the actual vernal equinox. So in
> December of that year, the Council of Trent authorized Pope
> Paul III to take action, but it was not until the election
> of Pope Gregory XIII(Ugo Buoncompagni, 1502-1585) in 1572
> that a formal proposal was solicited from Jesuit astronomer
> Christopher Clavius(1537-1612), which he'd compiled based
> on suggestions of the astronomer and physician Luigi Lilio
> (?-1576), but most especially, he'd based his work on the
> meticulous research of the 7th century Anglo-Saxon monk,
> scholar, historian and theologian, the venerable St. Bede
> (673-735). This proposal/papal bull officially appeared in
> February 1582, but the Brits didn't adopt this Gregorian
> version until March 25, 1752. This calendar is today known
> as the International Standard Gregorian Calendar, and is
> the most popular calendar in the world. But there's one
> more calendar you should familiarize yourself with before
> proceeding with this article: the Julian(French "Julien")
> dating system commonly used by astronomers must NOT be
> confused with the Julian calendar, but was named for the
> classical scholar Julius Caesar Scaliger(1484-1558) by his
> son Joseph Justis Scaliger(1540-1609), a prolific writer
> whose works were published posthumously in 1610. Among his
> crowning achievements was a scientific study of previous
> calendars entitled 'Opus de emendatione tempore', dated
> 1583, one year after the "Gregorian" was introduced. The
> first Julian Day of the Julian Period("Scaliger Cycle",
> 7980 years) was assigned by Scaliger as day ZERO(0),
> starting precisely at 12:00:00 AM GMT January 1, 4713 BC
> of the proleptic Julian calendar(invented by Sosigenes).
> Astronomical calculations presented herein are based on
> Scaliger's Julian dating system, but are exactly 12 hours
> LATER plus one calendar year LATER than this for all "BC"
> calendar dates, since astronomers include the year "zero"
> which is 1 BC, e.g. "-4712-01-01" = 12 PM GMT January 1,
> 4713 BC. Thusly, Julian dates are calculated adding the
> number of days from -4712-01-01 plus any mathematical
> fraction of that day counting from noon, plus or minus.
> This is because Scaliger had originally designated 12 AM
> GMT as xx.00, but it is convention for all astronomical
> calculations to recognize xx.00 as 12 *PM*(noon) GMT
> beginning a Julian day, with xx.25 as 6 PM GMT, xx.50 as
> 12 AM, etc, since astronomers, generally, work at night.
> By contrast, chronological dating used by historians is
> rendered as a simple integer, e.g., anytime starting 12
> AM GMT Thursday, September 19, 457 BC through 11:59 PM
> GMT corresponds to Julian Day 1554766, but in astronomy
> terms, that same Julian date as reckoned in Jerusalem,
> Israel would be JD 1554766.00000 *only* at 2:00:00 PM
> Jerusalem Standard Time, since Jerusalem time is at GMT
> +02:00. IOW, 12:00 PM(noon) in Jerusalem is only 10:00
> *AM* in Greenwich, England, so 12:00 PM in Jerusalem on
> September 19, 457 BC corresponds to JD 1554765.91667,
> since 22/24's of 1 = 0.9166666666667, truncated to five
> decimal places(within one second accuracy) = 0.91667,
> which fraction is then added to the PREVIOUS Julian Day.
> Once you've familiarized yourself with Julian dating,
> I think you'll comprehend my research more thoroughly.
> But above all, please read you Bible! That's the most
> IMPORTANT key to understanding this article bar none!
>
> Enjoy reading!
>
> :)
>
>
> * * *
>
> 'Lord of the Sabbath'
>
>* The "going forth of the commandment[Artaxerxes I/Longimanus]
> to restore and to build Jerusalem..."[ref. Dan 9:25]:
> Julian Day: 1554766
> Julian calendar: Thursday, September 19, 457 BC
> Jewish calendar: 1 Tishri 3305
> New Moon: Sep 19, 457 BC @ 12:29:51 AM JST
> Julian date: 1554765.43740; Lunation: -29415
> Moon's distance: 382409k(60.0 ER); Subtends: 0.5208 degrees
> Right ascension: 11:29:55.68; Declination: 08:34:36
> Azimuth: -161.396; Altitude: -47.914
> Rising: 5:33:02 AM JST; JD 1554765.64794
> Setting: 6:24:44 PM JST; JD 1554766.18384
> Notes: ref. Ezra 7:9 "...1st day of the 1st month"
> 7:6-26; ibid, levitical rule restored. This
> was the decree which established the people,
> government, laws(including taxation), and:
> "...set up the walls thereof, and joined
> the foundations"[ref. Ezra 4:12], and Ezra
> had restored temple service in Jerusalem.
> The Jubilee Year[ref. 'eleutherian liberty']
> was observed every 50th year following the
> 7th Sabbatic Year[Lev 25:11], making two
> Sabbatic Years consecutive, hence Gabriel's
> distinction of "seven sevens" and "sixty-
> two sevens" is readily understood, joined
> seamlessly together at the *next* Jubilee
> Year. Jubilee was a VERY special time, a
> time for rest *from* selfish pursuits, but
> instead, for forgiveness and emancipation,
> for sharing and reconciliation, and above
> all, a time for ATONEMENT OF SIN[ref. Lev
> 16:29-34;23:27-32;25:8-9;ibid]!!! Gabriel
> was reminding each one of us of *what* is
> acceptable to God, with atonement of sin
> exemplifying YHWH's New Covenant[ref. Jer
> 31:31-34] preaching "the Acceptable Year
> of the LORD"[ref. Luke 4:14-22;Isa 61:1-2],
> for there is none other scripturally-valid
> explanation for how and why Gabriel's first
> "seven weeks" were joined contiguously(no
> interruption) to the next sixty-two weeks.
> Also, 1 Tishri could not fall on Sun, Wed
> or Fri, thus was occasionally delayed for
> one day, or at most, delayed for two days,
> but was not delayed in 3305/457 BC, also a
> *Jubilee Year* by Josephus' chronology. The
> Achaemenid king Artaxerxes[Artakhshathra]
> began his first civil year 1 Tishri 3298 by
> the *Hebrew* calendar, which was Thu Sept 7,
> 464 BC, since his first year of reign didn't
> start until 1 Tishri(civil new year) by the
> Hebrew calendar reckoning. While Artaxerxes
> was "king" from mid-August of 465 BC, his
> observed ascension lasted about eight months,
> until 1 Nisanu, near the vernal equinox of the
> "new year" by the *Babylonian* civil calendar.
> It is revealing in Ezra 7:8 where he states:
> "And he came to Jerusalem in the fifth month,
> which was in the seventh year of the king",
> not the fifth month *of* the king's seventh
> year, but was the eleventh month from Nisanu.
> It is clear that the king's first year of
> reign didn't begin until 1 Nisan(u) 3297 in
> Ezra's consideration, since those previous
> 8 months of the king's "ascension" failed to
> fulfil one Hebrew calendar year, being only
> half the calendar year, thus was not included
> in Ezra's estimation for the king's *seventh*
> [Hebrew]year. In other words, only the second-
> half of Artaxerxes' seventh year fell in the
> Hebrew civil year 3305, beginning in the fall
> of 457 BC on 1 Tishri, or Thu, Sep 19, 457 BC.
> Not to belabor this point ad nauseum, but it
> is important that the reader should understand
> how Artaxerxes' seventh year was determined
> with certainty by Ezra, and according to the
> *Hebrew Calendar*, leaving Assyriologists et
> al to debate "finer points" of such matters.
> But, had Ezra counted the king's "seventh year"
> as 1 Tishri 3304, then that day was Saturday,
> September 2, 458 BC, Julian Day 1554383(molad
> was Sep 1 @ 2:16:55 AM JST[JD 1554381.51175]).
> I'll refer back to these dates later in this
> article confirming 1 Tishri 3305[457 BC] as
> Ezra's assessment for Artaxerxes' 7th year.
>
>* Jesus born in Bethlehem w/"his star[rising]in the east":
> Julian Day: 1720551
> Julian calendar: Monday, August 12, 3 BC
> Jewish calendar: 1 Elul 3758(1 Tishri was Tue, Sept 10)
> Sunrise: 4:58:37 AM JST; JD 1720550.62404
> Sunset: 6:24:06 PM JST; JD 1720551.18340
> New Moon: Aug 11, 3 BC @ 1:27:52 AM JST;
> Julian date: 1720549.47769; Lunation: -23801
> Moon's distance: 396824k(62.2 ER); Subtends: 0.5019 degrees
> Right ascension: 09:10:16.17; Declination: 16:29:42
> Azimuth: 21:07:02; Altitude: -39:38:16
> Rising: 5:10:35 AM JST; JD 1720549.63235
> Setting: 6:43:37 PM JST; JD 1720550.19696
> Notes: This Jupiter-Venus conjunction in Leo was
> 4.2 arcminutes in separation. The wise men
> (Magi) saw *his* star [at its]rising, thus
> their own witness to this conjunction was
> judicially construed as Messiah's actual
> date and approximate time of birth. Here's
> the Sun, Moon and Planetary positions for
> Aug 12, 3 BC 4:00 AM JST/5:00 AM Babylon:
> (Julian date: 1720550.58333)
> Sun: RA: 09:14:04.83; Dec: 16:12:36;
> AU: 1.007; Az:-117.638; Alt:-11.719
> Moon: RA: 10:01:11.89; Dec: 10:56:54;
> ER: 62.8; Az:-121.209; Alt:-23.849
> Mercury: RA: 08:50:22.83; Dec: 14:29:30;
> AU: 0.657; Az:-112.748; Alt: -8.198
> Venus: RA: 07:49:27.22; Dec: 22:00:06;
> AU: 1.564; Az:-110.981; Alt: 7.990
> Mars: RA: 18:19:06.16; Dec:-29:13:42;
> AU: 0.462; Az: 71.920; Alt:-29.383
> Jupiter: RA: 07:50:32.92; Dec: 21:53:24;
> AU: 6.277; Az:-111.017; Alt: 7.714
> Saturn: RA: 03:03:06.00; Dec: 15:16:24;
> AU: 8.954; Az: -56.608; Alt: 63.575
> Uranus: RA: 23:28:52.40; Dec: -4:14:54;
> AU: 19.147;Az: 44.919; Alt: 43.502
> Neptune: RA: 14:36:59.99; Dec: 13:38:06;
> AU: 30.376;Az: 137.174; Alt:-66.600
> Pluto: RA: 09:14:06.18; Dec: 16.201;
>
> Quoting Isaiah: "...the Gentiles shall come
> to thy light, and kings to the brightness of
> thy rising...the dromedaries[young camels]of
> Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall
> come: they shall bring gold and incense; and
> they shall show forth the praises of the
> LORD"[ref. Isa 60:3,6]. Isaiah is rightly
> known as the Messianic Prophet, since he
> *knew* that out of Israel would come the One
> True Messiah for *all* the world's salvation
> [see also John 12:41]. Whether these passages
> from Isaiah are speaking specifically about
> the Magi responding to this "rising star"
> is best discerned by the astute reader, but
> the coincidence here is *obvious* at least!
> Notably, the magi first appear in history in
> the 7th century BC, in the Median empire[ref.
> Herodotus I;ci], and by the late 1st century
> BC they formed the upper house of the council
> of the Megistanes, whose duties included the
> election of the king of the Parthian empire
> [ref. Strabo,XI,ix,3]. These Magi[Gk. magoi]
> were adept judicial astrologers[astrologia
> judiciarias] from the Parthian empire, whose
> vast lands included those of Persia, Bactria,
> et al areas east of the Euphrates. They might
> not have all observed this first conjunction
> from the region of Babylon, but viewed it
> from several locations independently, some
> perhaps from hundreds of miles away? We do
> know that Gabriel had revealed the 70 Weeks
> prophecy to Daniel in Babylon, and that the
> very day Ezra left Babylon with Artaxerxes'
> decree started the "prophetic clock" ticking
> down the 7 + 62 contiguous sabbitic years to
> Messiah the Prince. Furthermore we know that
> Babylon is almost 600 miles to the east of
> Jerusalem, and in addition to this, some of
> the magi had claimed Abra(ha)mic descendance
> [ref. Mclintock & Strong's Cyclopedia]. Thus
> the Magi's recognition of Messiah's "star"
> is not surprising, rather, He was expected;
> these discerning Magi clearly understood the
> "70 Weeks" prophecy and *acted* accordingly.
> See my next update for a detailed scriptural
> analysis of Jesus' date of birth 1 Elul 3758.
>
>* Wise men(Magi) visit Herod(morning)/10-month old Jesus(sunset):
> Julian Day: 1720860
> Julian calendar: Tuesday, June 17, 2 BC
> Jewish calendar: 15/16 Tammuz 3759
> New Moon: Jun 2, 2 BC @ 5:06:01 PM JST
> Julian date: 1720845.12918; Lunation: -23791
> Moon's distance: 365584k(57.3 ER); Subtends: 0.5448 degrees
> Right ascension: 04:27:36.87; Declination: 25:51:18
> Azimuth: 109.326; Altitude: 18.806
> Rising: 3:55:25 AM JST; JD 1720844.58015
> Setting: 6:46:25 PM JST; JD 1720845.19890
> Notes: Near-perfect Jupiter-Venus conjunction in Leo,
> a mere 6 arcseconds from concentricity. When
> Venus is sufficiently elongated from the Sun,
> and the sky is crystal-clear, Venus can barely
> be seen with the naked eye in broad daylight.
> This *brilliant* conjunction was significantly
> brighter than Venus alone, thus was certainly
> visible in broad daylight in a clear sky, and
> we know that the sky was clear by the Magi's
> own testimony. Also, Herod "the Great" died
> after the "blood red" full lunar eclipse of
> Sat, January 10, 1 BC, not 4 BC, which was
> the commonly supposed year for Herod's death
> based on the historian Josephus' writings.
> However, scientific and historical evidences
> have refuted this inaccurate reckoning. See
> attachment for detailed analysis of Herod's
> "blood red" eclipse and related historical
> evidences proving 1 BC to be the actual year
> of Herod's death and burial before Passover.
>
>* Caesar Augustus died:
> Julian Day: 1726402
> Julian calendar: Sunday, August 19, 14 AD
> Jewish calendar: 5 Elul 3774
> Notes: Tiberius was already supreme military governor
> of the Roman Empire proper and its provinces
> since 12 AD, and was co-princeps(effectively,
> co-Caesar) with Caesar Augustus by 13 AD, but
> Sept 17, 14 AD is the commonly referenced date
> of profane history, since this was Tiberius'
> ceremonial inaugural after Augustus' death,
> bestowing on him the sole title of Imperator.
> See Jesus' baptism notes below for a concise
> commentary on Tiberius Caesar's "15th" year.
>
>* Tiberius Caesar ceremonially inaugurated Imperator:
> Julian Day: 1726431
> Julian calendar: Monday, September 17, 14 AD
> Jewish calendar: 5 Tishri 3775
> New Moon: Sep 13, l4 AD @ 5:38:10 AM JST
> Julian date: 1726426.65150; Lunation: -23602
> Moon's distance: 398527k(62.5 ER); Subtends: 0.4997 degrees
> Right ascension: 11:15:26.60; Declination: 06:23:06
> Azimuth: -95.158; Altitude: 3.807
> Rising: 5:21:25 AM JST; JD 1726426.63987
> Setting: 6:03:01 PM JST; JD 1726427.16876
> Notes: Compare Jesus' baptism date[Luke 3:1,23].
> This inauguration date is historically
> irreconcilable with Luke's account as given
> in Luke 3:1, but is thirteen years + 1 day
> before Jesus' baptism date of Sep 18, 27 AD
> See baptism notes below for further details.
>
>* New Moon[Heb. Molad] coincident with Vernal Equinox:
> Julian Day: 1729173
> Julian calendar: Saturday, March 21, 22 AD
> Jewish calendar: 29 Adar 3782
> Sunrise: 5:47:43 AM JST; JD 1729172.65814
> Sunset: 5:47:01 PM JST; JD 1729173.15765
> New Moon: Mar 21, 22 AD @ 4:38:04 AM JST
> Julian date: 1729172.60977; Lunation: -23509
> Moon's distance: 390405k(61.2 ER); Subtends: 0.5101 degrees
> Right ascension: 23:45:19.84; Declination: 01:57:30
> Azimuth: -99.950; Altitude: -12.000
> Moon rising: 5:38:09 AM JST; JD 1729172.65149
> Setting: 6:13:48 PM JST; JD 1729173.17625
> Notes: The present-day 19-year lunisolar cycle of the
> Jewish calendar adds the thirteenth intercalary,
> or leap month, V'Adar(AdarII) in the years 3, 6,
> 8, 11, 14, 17 and 19, making those 13-month years
> into "leap years" to maintain very close--but not
> perfect--synchronicity with the lunisolar cycle.
> Twelve lunar[synodic] months is about eleven days
> shorter than a solar year, hence the "luni-solar"
> calendar requires a leap year added every two to
> three years to make up for this annual eleven-day
> deficit. But these systematically inserted leap
> years end up with an extra two hours[2:06:28.022]
> left over every 19 solar years, not a significant
> error, but by the mid-second century AD this had
> accumulated for more than fifteen hundred years
> since the days of Moses, thus presented a serious
> dilemma for the lunisolar calendar. In 161 AD the
> Jewish Patriarch Simon III imposed a postponement
> of the intercalated year from the seventh to the
> eighth year, to prevent Pentecost from falling on
> Monday, June 23, 161 AD-into the summer solstice!
> This was accomplished using an interim transition
> cycle of leap years 2, 5, 8, 11, 14, 17 and 19.
> As a result, all leap years AFTER this adjustment
> were counted in the years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17 and
> 19, but all leap years PRIOR to Simon's calendar
> adjustment of 161 AD were counted in the years 2,
> 5, 7, 10, 13, 16 and 18, thusly these leap-months
> were inserted in those designated years after the
> twelfth month of Adar, according to the lunisolar
> Torah calendar. And while the religious months of
> the calendar were counted as in Torah, beginning
> in the spring on 1 Nisan, civil calendar months
> of the very same calendar were counted "fall-to-
> fall", so the first month in the civil year was
> the seventh month of the religious calendar. The
> rules for observing Holy Days enjoyed priority
> over most other decisions of the elders as to
> which days would begin any lunisolar calendar's
> months, which calendars were calculated thusly:
> Based on the repeating 19-year lunisolar cycle,
> in near-synchronicity with each month's molad,
> the months were numbered 1-12, or 1-13 in leap
> years. The first month Abib / 'hodesh ha-aviv'
> only roughly coincided(i.e. +/- 50 days) with
> the barley being "in the ear" of old tradition,
> but the first month of the year according to the
> agricultural/liturgical 'shana' observance was
> 1 Ethanim(Tishri), Ezra's "1st day...1st month."
> The Babylonian Kraeling 6 and Elephantine papyri
> proved that the spring-to-spring Sumero-Babylonian
> civil calendar was *NOT* the same lunisolar civil
> calendar observed by captive Jews during the 70-
> years exile in Babylon(contrary to popular myth).
> The Jewish civil calendar was explicitly based on
> the fall-to-fall 'shana' reckoning, only names of
> selected Hebrew calendar months were adapted to
> their Babylonian captors' linguistic conventions.
> Not that this mattered much, since both versions
> were lunisolar, thus both were dependent on the
> same molads and equinoxes for functionality, but
> Jewish regnal/civil years always began 1 Tishri,
> which is near the FALL equinox, not the spring,
> and to this day, 1 Tishri remains the first day
> of the first month of the Jewish civil calendar,
> and Nisan is still the first month of the Jewish
> religious calendar. The main thing to understand
> is that Ezra's "first day of the first month" was
> Thursday, September 19, 457 BC, and the Jewish
> civil calendar always started on 1 Tishri, not
> 1 Nisan. Also, the molad was--albeit only rarely
> --allowed to occur very early/late in the day for
> that month's beginning date, up to +/- six hours
> before or after the sunset-to-sunset day in which
> the molad should've fallen, perhaps accommodating
> the Holy Days not otherwise conveniently delayed
> for whatever mitigating circumstances might have
> demanded. Maimonides wrote: "It is thus a Mosaic
> tradition from Sinai that in times when there was
> a (Palestinian)Synedrium[Sanhedrin], declaration
> of New Moon Days was based on visual observation
> [confirmed by court calculation], while in times
> when no Synedrium existed, this declaration was
> based on calculations such as we are using today
> and no attention was paid to observation of the
> new crescent. Rather, the day established by
> calculation might well coincide with the day in
> which the new moon became visible, but it might
> sometimes be the day before it or the day after
> it." "The court followed a tradition transmitted
> by the Sages from one generation to another on
> the authority of Moses ... on the basis of cal-
> culation...." [ref. 'Code of Maimonides', Bk3
> Tr8, 'Sanctification of the New Moon' 5x2;18x7].
> Considering that the ancient calendar month was
> reckoned as 29 days, 12 hours and 793 parts, i.e.
> 29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes and 3-1/3 seconds,
> and that month-to-month observations served to
> confirm and calibrate these simple calculations,
> Maimonides' *assumptive* assertion that ancient
> (common)Hebrews couldn't calculate within a day's
> accuracy for *any* molad is not being realistic,
> irrespective of that molad's actual "visibility".
> Any months which were begun an entire day before
> the calculated molad were started DELIBERATELY,
> but NOT for the lack of simple addition skills!
> Think about it: could *you* add 29 days 12 hrs.
> and 793 parts(44.06 min.) to the last new moon,
> and be within one whole day of accuracy? Easily,
> especially since this calculated synodic number
> can be added to multiple months preceeding just
> to make sure that the last molad wasn't off by
> an entire day. See how easy these calculations
> are? Now that you have a basic understanding of
> the ancient Torah lunisolar calendar, here are
> its months summarized below for your reference:
>
> Month#** Hebrew Name Days per Month
> 1(7) Abib/Nisan* 30
> 2(8) Zif/Iyyar 29
> 3(9) Sivan* 30
> 4(10) Tammuz 29
> 5(11) Ab/Av 30
> 6(12) Elul 29
> 7(1) Ethanim/Tishri* 30
> 8(2) Bul/Cheshvan 29/30
> 9(3) Kislev 30/29
> 10(4) Tebet 29
> 11(5) Shebat 30
> 12(6) Adar/AdarI 29/30(leap yr.)
> 13(") V'Adar/AdarII 29(intercalary)
> *months with holy days;
> **civil month #'s in parentheses
>
>* Jesus' 30th birthday:
> Julian day: 1731153
> Julian calendar: Friday, August 22, 27 AD
> Jewish calendar: 1 Elul 3787(1 Tishri 3788 was Sat, Sept 20)
> New Moon: Aug 20, 27 AD @ 3:04:10 PM JST
> Julian date: 1731151.04456; Lunation: -23442
> Moon's distance: 367010k(57.5 ER); Subtends: 0.5427 degrees
> Right ascension: 09:51:3.82; Declination: 15:55:18
> Azimuth: 82.672; Altitude: 42.307
> Rising: 4:37:33 AM JST; JD 1731150.60941
> Setting: 6:30:38 PM JST; JD 1731151.18794
> Notes: Jewish calendar birthday; at age 30, Jesus
> eligible for priesthood and temple service.
> This is why John the Baptist asked of Jesus:
> "...I have need to be baptized of thee, and
> comest thou to me?"[Mat 3:14]. John did not
> yet recognize Jesus as Messiah, but he knew
> that his cousin, the astonishing carpenter's
> son Jesus, that He was thirty years old, and
> John knew this since he himself was thirty!
> That John didn't recognize Jesus as Messiah
> means that John didn't know about Jesus being
> conceived of God's Spirit in Mary, since had
> John actually known about this, then surely
> he would've known that Jesus was the promised
> Messiah of the Scriptures, with His virgin
> birth being scripturally *prerequisite* to
> His Messiahship. Even though "virgin birth"
> mythologies had flourished in every culture
> throughout the world, every Jew *knew* that
> "salvation out of the Jews is"! Thereby we
> know that John, understandably, had supposed
> Jesus' father was Joseph, as did practically
> everyone else. Only a few knew at the time
> that Joseph was only lawfully Jesus' father
> according to the custom, since Joseph was
> more than just son-in-law to Mary's father,
> Heli, who had daughters of his own, but bore
> no sons of his own, making Joseph Heli's son
> by Joseph's marriage to Heli's daughter Mary,
> which made Heli's grandson Jesus--legally--a
> son to Joseph, so Joseph was fully within his
> legal rights to raise Heli's grandson Jesus
> as his own son, since lawfully, Jesus was his
> own son, just as everyone had supposed. And,
> under the law, Jesus was heir to the throne
> by His legal father and also by His mother,
> since under Jewish law, right to kingship
> could also pass to Mary's descendants, so
> Jesus was heir to the throne by bloodline to
> king David, by Jewish law, AND by YHWH's Law!
> Jesus was destined for The Throne of Israel,
> so when you hear His title King of the Jews,
> now you understand that this title is more
> than mere religious terminology: Jesus *is*
> in FACT the One and Only *King* of the Jews,
> and He is Ruler over the kings of the earth.
> Think about this *very carefully* next time
> you happen to watch the "Six O'Clock News".
>
>* Jesus baptized into YHWH's Ministry at the river Jordan exactly
>483 Hebrew lunisolar Calendar years to the very day from Ezra's
>"going forth" with Artaxerxes' imperial edict to restore Jerusalem.
>This same date was 4749 days or 13 regnal-tropical years + 1 day
>into the inaugural reign of Tiberius, but 15 years + 12 days[Luke
>3:1] into Tiberius' *governorship* by the Jewish civil calendar,
>which was 15 years + 1 day according to the Julian civil calendar:
> Julian day: 1731180
> Julian calendar: Thursday, September 18, 27 AD
> Jewish calendar: 1 Tishri 3788(Day of Trumpets, Rosh Hashanah)
> New Moon: Sep 18, 27 AD @ 11:48:42 PM JST
> Julian date: 1731180.40882; Lunation: -23441
> Moon distance: 373484k(586 ER); Subtends: 0.5332 degrees
> Right ascension: 11:40:20.13; Declination: 6:55:18
> Azimuth: -176.088; Altitude: -51.227
> Rising: 4:32:46 AM JST; JD 1731179.60609
> Setting: 5:45:00 PM JST; JD 1731180.15625
> Notes: Daniel's 7+62 sabbatic years fulfilled[Dan 9:25].
> The Hebrew Calendar year exceeds a tropical year
> by 6 minutes, 39.370 seconds; this amounts to one
> extra day per 216.34 tropical years, or 2.23 days
> over 483 tropical years. A tropical year is equal
> to 365.242199 days, so this baptism date of Jesus
> is precisely 483 tropical years + 2.02 days from
> Ezra's going forward with Artaxerxes' decree, a
> difference of only 2.23 from 2.02 = {-0.21} days,
> or just 5 hours shy of 483 Hebrew Calendar years!
> Who could ask for more? And who's to say these 5
> hours weren't accounted for by differences in the
> time of day Ezra left Babylon, and the time that
> Jesus entered the Jordan's waters to be baptised?
> But if we'd adopted Sept 2, 458 BC as Artaxerxes'
> seventh year as referenced before, then that date
> was exactly 483 tropical years + 4 hours to what
> is a popular but non-historical "alternate" for
> Jesus' Baptism date of 1 Tishri 3787, or Monday,
> Sep 2, 26 AD; Julian Day 1730799, with its molad
> occurring Sat, Aug 31, 26 AD @1:27:11 AM JST; JD
> 1730796.47721, but which is entirely one civil
> calendar year *prior* to the very earliest date
> historically-reconcilable with Tiberius' 15th
> year, thus is logically eliminated from further
> discussion. This means 1 Tishri 3788 is the ONLY
> historical date reconcilable with *both* Ezra's
> account AND that related by Luke; to wit, Luke
> 3:1 reads "...in year but five and tenth of the
> *governorship* of Tiberius Caesar" [*emphasis
> added]. In the year 12 AD, Tiberius was made
> military governor(commander) over Caesar's vast
> armies and provinces by the ailing Augustus, at
> which time Augustus had compelled his estranged-
> widow Julia to marry Tiberius, thus historically
> qualifies as his 1st year of *governorship*.
> By the year 13 AD, Tiberius Claudius Nero was
> known to the whole of the Roman empire and its
> provinces as supreme governor and co-regent with
> Augustus Caesar, since Tiberius was by that time
> Proconsular Imperium, wielding full tribunician
> power wholly co-extensive with that of Augustus,
> making Tiberius co-princeps with Caesar Augustus
> by 13 AD. When Augustus died that following year,
> Tiberius' sole Consulship was already intact and
> was wholly unassailable, with his continuation
> as Principate a foregone conclusion, thus his
> inauguration as Imperator was but an accolade.
> Luke's reckoning for his 15th year is confirmed
> in the fact that by 27 AD, the weary Tiberius had
> retired permanently to seclusion on the island of
> Capri, leaving his notorious(traitorous) captain
> of the Praetorian Guard, the prefect Sejanus, to
> RULE in his place. So, with 27 AD established as
> Tiberius' "five and tenth year of governorship",
> then the year 12 AD must logically be construed
> as commencing Tiberius' first year by the Jewish
> civil calendar new year 1 Tishri 3773, which
> Julian calendar date was Monday, September 5,
> 12 AD, or Julian Day 1725689. Thusly, Luke had
> counted then-Caesar Tiberius' 15th regnal year
> from his provincial rule two years before Caesar
> Augustus had died. And Luke's added references to
> Pilate, Herod[Antipas], Philip, Lysanias, Annas
> and Caiaphas are entirely supportive of 12 AD as
> the year Luke had referenced, since in every case
> they are historically consistent with 27 AD. Luke
> stating that Jesus was "commencing as if of years
> thirty" refers to Jesus' entering the priesthood
> and temple service in the(His) body of Christ,
> doubtless retrospectively, in light of Jesus' own
> confession "Before Abraham was, I AM"[John 8:58].
> That it wasn't Jesus' actual thirtieth birthday
> vs. one synodic month afterwards seems frivolous.
> Luke was uncertain how to describe the age of the
> eternal Son of God, as surely anyone would find
> themselves awestruck in this regard, but Jesus
> *was* thirty years in the body, and this was the
> day of His Commencement into YHWH's Ministry: He
> was indeed "commencing as if of years thirty".
>
>* Vernal(Spring) Equinox of 31 AD
> Julian day: 1732461
> Julian calendar: Thursday, March 22, 31 AD:
> Jewish calendar: 8 Abib/Nisan 3791
> Sunrise: 5:46:37 AM JST; JD 1732460.65737
> Sunset: 5:47:29 PM JST; JD 1732461.15797
> Notes: Hebrew calendar rules stipulated that Passover
> (14 Abib/Nisan) must occur no earlier than two
> days before the spring equinox, but also that
> Pentecost must occur before summer, and always
> on a Monday, on the 7th, 9th, 11th or 13th of
> the 3rd month(Sivan), leaving but one possible
> crucifixion date in 31 AD. We know this because
> John's Gospel reveals that Jesus observed four
> Passovers *after* His baptism(Sep 18, 27 AD).
> Counting from the spring of 28 AD[John 2:13],
> 29 AD[John 4:35,5:1], 30 AD[John 6:4], AND the
> Last Supper Passover of 31 AD[John 12:1], where-
> upon that day our Lord was crucified. And though
> the first full moon after the spring equinox of
> 31 AD was March 28, the calendar correction made
> 130 years later by Simon III in 161 AD revealed
> that the "last supper" Passover was observed the
> evening before the SECOND full moon of Wednesday,
> April 25th, 31 AD(note the Hebrew calendar year
> of Jesus' crucifixion/resurrection was a 385-day
> "perfect" leap year[Type 11, 4-7-P*]). In light
> of all other evidences examined, this fact proves
> beyond ANY shadow of a doubt that Jesus' "last
> supper" Passover took place on Tuesday evening,
> April 24, 31 AD between 6 PM and 12 AM Wednesday
> morning, very much according to traditional seder
> regulations[Heb. haggada], but this Passover was
> special indeed[ref. Mat 26:1-30; Mark 14:1-26;
> Luke 22:1-39; John 11:55-57]. I've charted the
> calendar year 3791(below), dating the historical
> "three days and three nights"[ref. Jonah 1:17,
> Mat 12:40] that Jesus' tortured body laid wrapped
> in a linen shroud, sealed in a nearby, newly-hewn
> stone sepulchre of one of our Lord's disciples,
> the wealthy intellectual, Joseph of Arimathaea
> [ref. Mat 27:57-60]. In the literal translation,
> verse 57 says "Of evening but having come to be",
> meaning that the High Sabbath of 15 Nisan, the
> first day of unfermented cakes[unleavened bread]
> was in effect! Remember, *this* was the body of
> the LORD of the Sabbath, thus giving Lord Jesus a
> proper burial on the High Sabbath was Lawful and
> perfectly appropriate, but Joseph et al performed
> this *work* in considerable haste for fear of the
> Jews(who'd condemned Jesus)[ref John 19:38], that
> they would've found Joseph et al *working* on the
> sabbath "unacceptable", and would've prohibited
> them from continuing and arrested them, too. We
> can reasonably conclude that they might've been
> crucified as well, had they been caught *working*
> on the High Sabbath under *these* circumstances!
> And so it was that Jesus' body was buried after
> even[6:07:37 PM JST] of 15 Nisan, and after three
> days was resurrected, after even[6:09:28 PM JST]
> of 18 Nisan[Apr 28, 31 AD], which from even till
> even the following day was counted as Sunday, the
> *first* day of the Hebrew Calendar week, which
> is precisely what the gospel accounts repeatedly
> indicate, "the FIRST day", not the seventh[ref.
> Mat 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1,19].
> John 20:19 literally translated reads: "Being
> therefore of evening to the day that the one[day]
> of sabbaths, and of the doors having been locked
> where were the disciples through the fear of the
> Jews." Here's a prime example of where orthodox
> theologians and liberals alike are easily given
> to *misconstruing* these ancient texts in favor
> of whatever is convenient in lieu of expertise.
> John's gospel is "user-friendly" to the gentile
> audience as well as the Jew. Quoting Robertson's:
>
> "{When therefore it was evening on that day}
> (oushv oun oqiav th hmera ekeinei). Genitive
> absolute with oqia (oqiov, late), old word with
> wra(hour) understood and here for the time from
> six to nine(#6:16) and the locative case of time
> with hmera(day). John often uses this note of
> time (#1:39; 5:9; 11:53; 14:20; 16:23,26). The
> addition of th mia sabbatwn(see #20:1 for this
> use of mia like prwth) proves that John is using
> Roman time, not Jewish, for here evening follows
> day instead of preceding it..."
>
> So this was Sunday evening April 29, 31 AD, which
> was after even of *Monday* 19 Nisan by the Hebrew
> Calendar. See? Okay, now that we understand this
> sequence of events which were so faithfully and
> accurately recorded in the four gospel accounts,
> the obvious source of widespread confusion and
> uncertainty about whether Jesus was resurrected
> on the seventh day(Saturday) or on the first day
> (Sunday) is settled. The Bible tells us that He
> "was risen early the first day of the week"[ref.
> Mark 16:9]. The literal translation is likewise
> explicit about this "Having stood up but early to
> first[day] of sabbath[week]", thus is irrefutable
> that Jesus rose from the dead on the *first* day
> of the calendar week, which was Saturday evening
> by the Julian solar calendar, but this was in the
> evening[beginning] of SUNDAY by Jewish reckoning.
> Here's the calendar year 3791 for your reference:
>
> -------- HEBREW CALENDAR YEAR 3791 --------
>
> Tishri 3791
> molad: Sat, Sep 16, 30 AD @ 07:53:14 AM JST
> (Julian date 1732273.74530)
> S M T W T F S
> 1
> 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
> 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
> 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
> 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
> 30
>
> Cheshvan 3791
> molad: Sun, Oct 15, 30 AD @ 05:29:00 PM JST
> (Julian date 1732303.14514)
> S M T W T F S
> 1 2 3 4 5 6
> 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
> 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
> 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
> 28 29 30
>
> Kislev 3791
> molad: Tue, Nov 14, 30 AD @ 03:10:11 AM JST
> (Julian date 1732332.54874)
> S M T W T F S
> 1 2 3 4
> 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
> 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
> 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
> 26 27 28 29 30
>
> Tebet 3791
> molad: Wed, Dec 13, 30 AD @ 01:23:46 PM JST
> (Julian date 1732361.97484)
> S M T W T F S
> 1 2
> 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
> 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
> 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
> 24 25 26 27 28 29
>
> Shebat 3791
> molad: Fri, Jan 12, 31 AD @ 12:25:37 AM JST
> (Julian date 1732391.43446)
> S M T W T F S
> 1
> 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
> 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
> 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
> 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
> 30
>
> Adar 3791
> molad: Sat, Feb 10, 31 AD @ 12:25:50 PM JST
> (Julian date 1732420.93461)
> S M T W T F S
> 1 2 3 4 5 6
> 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
> 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
> 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
> 28 29 30
>
> V'Adar 3791
> molad: Mon, Mar 12, 31 AD @ 01:32:07 AM JST
> (Julian date 1732450.48064)
> S M T W T F S
> 1 2 3 4
> 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
> 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
> 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
> 26 27 28 29
>
> Nisan 3791
> molad: Tue, Apr 10, 31 AD @ 3:45:14 PM JST
> (Julian date 1732480.07308)
> S M T W T F S
> 1 2 3
> 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
> 11 12 13 14* 15 16 17
> 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
> 25 26 27 28 29 30
> *Full Moon: Wed, Apr 25
>
> Iyyar 3791
> molad: Thu, May 10, 31 AD @ 6:51:10 AM JST
> (Julian date 1732509.70220)
> S M T W T F S
> 1
> 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
> 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
> 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
> 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
>
> Sivan 3791
> molad: Fri, Jun 08 31 AD @ 10:21:59 PM JST
> (Julian date 1732539.34860)
> S M T W T F S
> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
> 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
> 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
> 22 23 24 25 26 27 28
> 29 30
>
> Tammuz 3791
> molad: Sun, Jul 08, 31 AD @ 01:40:50 PM JST
> (Julian date 1732568.98669)
> S M T W T F S
> 1 2 3 4 5
> 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
> 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
> 20 21 22 23 24 25 26
> 27 28 29
>
> Av 3791
> molad: Tue, Aug 07, 31 AD @ 4:20:41 AM JST
> (Julian date 1732598.59770)
> S M T W T F S
> 1 2 3 4
> 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
> 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
> 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
> 26 27 28 29 30
>
> Elul 3791
> molad: Wed, Sep 05, 31 AD @ 5:59:55 PM JST
> (Julian date 1732628.16661)
> S M T W T F S
> 1 2
> 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
> 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
> 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
> 24 25 26 27 28 29
>
>Continuing...
> * Palm "Sunday", 1311 days(3 years + 7 months) after Jesus'
> baptism at the river Jordan, the LORD of the Sabbath rode humbly
> into Jerusalem[Zec 9:9] in "the midst" of Gabriel's seventieth
> sabbatic year(this was a leap year, hence 3.5 years + 1 month).
> If you count from the last day of Jesus' "40 days of temptation"
> up until the day of His resurrection(discovered Sunday) you get
> 1280 days, or exactly three and one-half solar calendar years:
> Julian day: 1732491
> Julian calendar: Saturday, April 21, 31 AD
> Jewish calendar: 10 Abib/Nisan 3791
> New Moon: Apr 10, 31 AD @ 3:45:14 PM JST
> Julian date: 1732480.07308; Lunation: -23397
> Moon distance: 394450k(61.8 ER); Subtends: 0.5049 degrees
> Right ascension: 01:07:39.91; Declination: 4:56:12
> Azimuth: 78.114; Altitude: 27.308
> Rising: 5:20:20 AM JST; JD 1732479.63912
> Setting: 5:57:35 PM JST; JD 1732480.16499
> Notes: Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread was
> in practice one "eight-day feast" for which plans
> were made weeks, really months, in advance. There
> were two separate hagigah sacrifices. First, the
> pesah proper[paschal meal] on the eve of 14 Nisan
> and second pascha, the afternoon hagigah[festive
> offering] sacrifice on the afternoon of 14 Nisan,
> before the festivities of 15 Nisan, or first day
> of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. About two weeks
> before this contiguous eight-day feast, tithes
> were separated for the priesthood from the flocks
> of sheep. But the paschal lamb, the one "without
> blemish, a male of the first year" was selected
> on 10 Nisan[ref. Exo 12]. This was the Passover
> meal Jesus shared with His disciples the eve of
> His crucifixion. Notably, the second pascha was
> occurring at around the time Jesus died, between
> 3 and 5 PM that afternoon. From the King James:
> "Ye know that after two days is the feast of the
> passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be
> crucified. Then assembled together the chief
> priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the
> people, unto the palace of the high priest, who
> was called Caiaphas, and consulted that they
> might take Jesus by subtlety, and kill him. But
> they said, Not on the feast day[15 Nisan], lest
> there be an uproar among the people."[Mat 26:2-5]
> Jesus was God's Lamb for both Passover offerings,
> and His sacrifice left all others of none effect:
> Jesus Himself had literally become the Passover.
>
>* Passover morning, and preparation day for the High Sabbath of
> the first day of unleavened bread; Jesus was crucified at 9 AM
> Wednesday morning[ref. Mark 15:25], and gave up the ghost shortly
> after 3 PM that afternoon[ref. Mat 27:45-50; Mark 15:33-37; Luke
> 23:44-46]. It was thusly that Gabriel's "Messiah the Prince" had
> been "cut off" literally in the "midst of the week"(Wednesday),
> in the midst of the seventieth sabbatic year[ref. Dan 9:24-27],
> just *exactly* as the prophecy had foretold 568 years before:
> Julian day: 1732495
> Julian calendar: Wednesday, April 25, 31 AD
> Jewish calendar: 14 Abib/Nisan 3791
> Sunrise: 5:02:49 AM JST; 1732494.62696
> Sunset: 6:07:37 PM JST; 1732495.17196
> Notes: Wednesday crucifixion proven, thus "Good Friday"
> is myth. Notably, even if Jesus' crucifixion had
> occurred in 30 AD (of the orthodox traditions),
> the Hebrew calendar year 3790 was *not* a leap
> year, a fact clearly demonstrated by the calendar
> evidence. The molad for Nisan 3790 was Wednesday,
> Mar 22, 30 AD @ 8:57:59 PM JST(JD 1732096.29027),
> placing 1 Nisan the next day, Thursday, Mar 23,
> 30 AD, thus 14 Nisan fell on Wednesday, April 5,
> 30 AD, therefore "Friday/30 AD" church traditions
> have been squarely refuted by the evidence, which
> selfsame evidence has proven Wednesday, April 25,
> 31 AD the actual date of our Lord's crucifixion,
> thus is accepted as proven fact. And for all you
> 33 AD crucifixion devotees out there, here, I'll
> save you the trouble! The molad for Nisan 3793
> was on Thursday, March 19, 33 AD @ 2:46:38 PM JST
> (JD 1733189.03238), placing 1 Nisan on Saturday,
> March 21, 33 AD, with 14 Nisan falling on Friday,
> April 3, 33 AD. There's your Easter[Ishtar]Friday
> for the crucifixion, but 33 AD doesn't hold up
> very well to being in the "midst" of Gabriel's
> 70th sabbatic year[5.5 of 7], nor is Friday near
> the "midst of the week" as Wednesday certainly
> is, but the final "nail in the coffin" for the
> Nicaean/Roman Catholic "Good Friday" mythologies
> is provided by the Scriptures, since from *after*
> 6 PM Friday evening[Mat 27:57-60, John 19:38-42]
> to after 6 PM Saturday evening[Mark 16:9] totals
> ONE DAY i.e. one morning and one evening ONLY, or
> perhaps a day and five-eighths at the outside if
> one presumes to count from 3 PM Friday afternoon
> to 6 AM Sunday morning(squeezing every last drop)
> still well-shy of even "two days and two nights",
> much less the *requisite* "three days and three
> nights in the heart of the earth"[Mat 12:40] our
> Lord Jesus had promised. "Friday" is invalidated,
> and there're plenty more chapters and verses to
> cite supporting Wednesday, April 25, 31 AD as the
> *historical* crucifixion date of our Lord Jesus,
> but I'll reserve these citations for follow-ups;
> the point is already proven *incontrovertibly*.
>
>* Date Jesus resurrected; scientifically-inexplicable image
> produced on 1st-century linen shroud by process unknown and
> unidentified. Turin shroud is proven authentic, see notes:
> Julian day: 1732498
> Julian calendar: Saturday Evening, April 28, 31 AD
> Jewish calendar: Sunday, 18 Nisan 3791(early in the evening)
> Sunrise: 4:59:26 AM JST; JD 1732497.62461
> Sunset: 6:09:28 PM JST; JD 1732498.17324
> Notes: This resurrection process impressed the shroud
> with the image of Lord Jesus' once-dead, tortured
> body, apparently resulting from bursts of radiant
> energy emitted during the miraculous resurrection
> process, an energy which apparently dispersed as
> this process neared completion, since there's no
> apparent movement visible in the shroud's image.
> Mary and Martha's brother Lazarus might have left
> some similar image in the swathing bands and face
> cloth he was wrapped in[ref. John 11:1-44,12:17]?
> Very notably, the clothes of persons who've died
> wearing them for any length of time after their
> death's have never *once* been shown to have any
> such image impressed into the clothing's fibers,
> thus proving the shroud's image is NOT a function
> of any process known to science, since the man in
> the shroud was very clearly a man who'd been dead
> i.e. clinically and biologically dead NOT living.
> Hence, the image shouldn't be there, but there it
> is nonetheless! This alone is compelling evidence
> for the shroud's authenticity but there's more...
> The Turin shroud and Sudarium cloth are pages of
> "Scripture" penned in the precious blood of our
> Lord and Savior Jesus signed by the hand of God.
> Just as Scripture endures all scrutiny (written
> in the Spirit of Prophecy which is Jesus Christ),
> the shroud and face covering invite all manner of
> secular criticisms, yet the artifacts do prevail
> under the brightest of lights that the scientific
> inquiry has to offer! We know that the shroud and
> face covering are the genuine burial linen of our
> Lord Jesus since the evidence clearly proves it,
> not that any such evidence is "requisite" to the
> Christian faith, but neither does this imply that
> one should turn a blind eye to any such evidence,
> especially when the evidence is 100% conclusive.
> If this evidence sways a few "doubting Thomas's"
> out there, then we as Christians have done well:
> * Doctors of medicine and experts in the human
> anatomy including forensic pathologists/medical
> examiners/coroners/etc. have examined the image
> in the shroud and have concluded that this adult
> male in his 30s had suffered very severe beatings
> and crucifixion precisely as is described in the
> New Testament gospel accounts, and some of these
> medical professionals have admitted openly that
> this image could be of none other than the One,
> crucified Jesus[ref. Bucklin, M.D., J.D., et al].
> No doubt myriad's more would admit this, but such
> would jeopardize his or her own medical career's;
> * The shroud measures 4.6 x 1.1 meters, standard
> measurements of 8 x 2 Philatelic cubits used in
> Palestine in the first century AD. It bears the
> front and back images of our Lord crucified in a
> manner identical to that which was testified to
> in the Scriptures, and is the most intensively
> scrutinized artifact in recorded history, with
> scientific testing proving time and again that
> the image was produced NOT by artistic methods,
> but by profound physical changes in the linen
> fibers themselves by process(es) unknown and to
> date unidentified. Physicist Osward Schewermann,
> who'd conducted experiments on the phenomenon of
> coronal discharge, i.e., discharge of radiation
> from a surface charged with static electricity,
> observed that flat objects like leaves discharge
> electrons from their edges when they touch cloth,
> forming well-defined lines which follow contours
> where the leaves and cloth make contact, but more
> diffused where the materials are close but do not
> actually touch, partially characteristic of the
> shroud's images, describing most images *but* the
> inexplicable image formed by the crucified body:
> THIS image no scientist in the world can explain;
> * The herringbone twill @ 3:1 weave is distinctly
> of *first-century* Syrian manufacture! These flax
> fibrils contain entwisted cotton fibrils from the
> very same loom, the cotton Gossypium herbaceum,
> a Middle East species not found in Europe;
> * The shroud contains myriad pollen grains from
> at least 58 species of plants, 17 indigenous to
> Europe(where it's been kept for the last seven
> centuries), but the majority are indigenous to
> the region of the Dead Sea and Turkey, including
> Artemisia herba-alba, Nyoscyamus aureus, and
> Onosma syriacum. Even the pollen of the wreath
> of thorns was found to be of local origin. The
> Zygophyllum dumosum is identified as the most
> significant plant imaged in the shroud, as it
> grows ONLY in Israel, Jordan, and Sinai. Winter
> leaves all reveal their previous year's petioles,
> proving the plants were picked in the springtime,
> as does the state of growth for every plant thus
> far identified. And some surprising images have
> been identified in the shroud, including a hammer
> and a nail, a broom, an ancient-style rope, even
> a sponge and reed[ref. Mark 15:36]! The gospels
> tell us that Joseph of Arimathaea and Nicodemus,
> with the assistance of Mary Magdalene and Mary
> mother of Joses, were the ones who'd prepared
> and wrapped Jesus' body, quickly gathering and
> arranging these flowers which are imaged in the
> shroud, preparing spices and ointments according
> to the Jewish custom[ref. Mat 27:57-60, Mark
> 15:42-47,16:1; Luke 23:50-55; John 19:38-42]
> as time permitted. This is clearly spelled out as
> Jewish custom[John 19:40], and it is clear from
> gospel accounts that flower arrangements evident
> in the shroud were not at first completed that
> dreadful early evening following the crucifixion,
> but were completed on Friday following the High
> Sabbath of 15 Nisan, and the final ointments etc.
> were to be applied Sunday, but of course, *that*
> preparation was not to be. Jesus was risen!
> * Blood was typed 'AB' in all testing performed,
> containing high levels of bilirubin consistent
> with the severe concussive injuries suffered by
> our Lord on that prophesied Passover morning.
> * C14 measurements of bacteria, fungi, and bio-
> plastic/biogenic varnish deposited as a result
> of the symbiosis between the two organisms had
> compromised the results of every C14 test done.
> These 1988 radiocarbon "dating" tests averaged
> the remnant C14 of the original linen with the
> microorganisms Lichenothelia and Rhodococcus
> AND the resultant calcium carbonate varnish.
> This bioplastic varnish was NOT removed by the
> cleaning procedures used in radiocarbon labs.
> These microorganisms are still present, living
> and multiplying on the linen shroud of Turin.
> [ref. Mattingly/Garza-Vermes].
> * The swath cloth[Sudarium of Oviedo; ref. John
> 20:6-7] shows an obvious and perfect match with
> the image and stains on the shroud in at least
> 120 points of coincidence, and the Sudarium is
> known to date at its very least back to 613 AD
> from Palestine, and 1075 AD in Spain, further
> proving the radiocarbon tests were compromised,
> and further proof that the shroud is genuine.
> * Particulate iron-oxide permeating the shroud
> was proven NOT to be some "artist's pigment",
> and likewise was proven NOT to be the cause of
> the image in the linen fibrils of the shroud
> regardless and irrespective of its origin(s).
> The "debunking" media hype ignores this and all
> other evidence which proves the shroud genuine.
> * Microspectrophotometric analysis of blood from
> the shroud found hemoglobin, but in its acid-
> methemoglobin form due to its great antiquity
> and denaturation. Additional tests identified
> the presence of porphyrin, albumin, bilirubin
> and protein. Also, when proteases were applied
> to a fibril containing the denaturated blood,
> the blood dissolved, but left an "imageless"
> fibril[ref. Heller/Adler]. This proves the
> image contemporaneous with the ancient blood
> by demonstrating that those fresh bloodstains
> were absorbed by the cloth before formation
> of the image contained in the linen fibrils.
> * In 1532 the chapel at Chambery caught fire,
> and the heat was so intense that part of the
> silver reliquary where the shroud was stored
> melted, dripping onto the folded shroud. The
> shroud was saved from the fire but the burns
> were significant, since the shroud had been
> exposed to intense heat at low oxygen levels.
> This may also have contributed to the faulty
> radiocarbon dating of the shroud, as might've
> centuries of tallow candle smoke and incense.
> * Iconography dating to the sixth century when
> superimposed on the shroud face shows at least
> 170 unique points of congruity with the image.
> This in itself has developed into a science,
> with the shroud's singularly distinctive face
> depicted everywhere in post- 6th century art.
> An illustration of the entombed and enshrouded
> Jesus was found in a prayer book from Budapest
> called the "Pray Manuscript", depicting the "L"
> pattern of unique burn holes formed earlier in
> the shroud's long history, including the weave
> pattern in the shroud itself(!) This manuscript
> dates to 1192 with the shroud used as its model,
> absolutely proving the 1988 radiocarbon dating
> is hopelessly in error, thus has been discarded.
> * There's much more evidence for the shroud, and
> the long list of shroud evidence keeps growing.
>
>* Jesus' resurrection discovered Sunday morning at 5 AM[Mark 16:2]:
> Julian day: 1732471
> Julian calendar: Sunday, April 29, 31 AD
> Jewish calendar: 18 Nisan 3791
> Sunrise: 4:58:20 AM JST; JD 1732498.62384
> Sunset: 6:10:05 PM JST; JD 1732499.17367
> Notes: Jesus' prophecy "For as Jonas was three days and
> three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the
> Son of man be three days and three nights in the
> heart of the earth"[Mat 12:40{KJV}] tells us more
> than just the time He was in the tomb(in as much
> as such time can be counted by mortal men). This
> passage Jesus had paraphrased is found at Jonah
> 1:17 "Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to
> swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of
> the fish three days and three nights." Aside from
> deferring Judgement on the repentant Ninevah for
> perhaps another day, Jonah's scroll seems notably
> incomplete, ending with 4:11 "And should not I
> spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more
> than sixscore thousand persons that cannot
> discern between their right hand and their left
> hand; and also much cattle?" This is the only
> book in the entire Bible--or even the apocrypha--
> which ends with a QUESTION. And what was Jonah's
> reply to God's question? Might he have answered
> in humility as one might expect, or what might he
> have said--written--in response? At first glance,
> it would appear Jonah's autograph was written
> on two scrolls, with the latter forever lost to
> the sands of antiquity, effectively cut off right
> in the midst of his dialogue. The similarity to
> Gabriel's seventieth week is clear, and Jonah's
> answer to God *was* answered in his own heart, in
> spirit and in truth[John 4:23-24,14:16-21,ibid],
> i.e. in the "heart, soul and mind"[Mat 22:37-40].
> This is the doctrine of Lord Jesus in a nutshell
> [ref. Lev 19:18; Deu 6:5].
>
>* Daily sacrifice[Gk. endelecismdv] ceased, temple soon destroyed:
> Julian day: 1746832
> Julian calendar: Tuesday, July 17, 70 AD
> Jewish calendar: 20 Tammuz 3830
> New Moon: Jun 26, 70 AD @ 11:05:03 PM JST
> Julian date: 1746802.37851; Lunation: -22912
> Moon distance: 367927k(57.7 ER); Subtends 0.5413 degrees
> Right ascension: 06:13:47.72; Declination: 28:39:06
> Azimuth: 170.909; Altitude: -28.956
> Rising: 3:34:07 AM JST; JD 1746801.56536
> Setting: 6:47:07 PM JST; JD 1746802.19939
> Notes: Excerpts from the Book of Daniel 9:27(KJV):
> "...and in the midst of the week he shall cause
> the sacrifice and the oblation to cease..." This
> *cause* was the Lamb of God's crucifixion nearly
> 40 years(14337 days, or 39 years + 93 days) prior
> to this date. "...and for the overspreading of
> abominations..." The Jewish hierarchy had flatly
> rejected their One True Lord and Rightful King,
> rendering the temple at Jerusalem the veritable
> "synagogue of Satan"[ref. Rev 2:9], kindling the
> Lord God's Almighty wrath, thus "...he shall
> make it desolate, even until the consummation,"
> was made manifest and the prophecy was fulfilled
> "...and the people of the prince that shall come
> shall destroy the city and the sanctuary..." The
> Prince that shall come was Jesus resurrected to
> eternal glory as King of kings and Lord of lords,
> so His people were the Roman soldiers under Titus
> since they'd taken it upon themselves to act as
> "a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth
> evil."[ref. Rom 13:4]. Not to infer "endorsement"
> of the Roman's murderous rampage on the city, as
> this passage from 'Toward Romans' admonishes us:
> "avenge not yourselves, but rather give place
> unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine;
> I will repay, saith the Lord". 24 days later, the
> temple was set ablaze by a Roman soldier. Within
> hours, the temple was destroyed, August 10, 70AD,
> which was on 15 Av(Ab) 3830, not 9 Av of talmudic
> tradition which had accorded "minor adjustments"
> thereto presumably in remembrance of the first
> temple's destruction. The new moon preceding the
> fire occurred July 26 70 AD @ 7:09:03 AM JST(JD
> 1746831.71462), with the full moon @ 6:54:42 PM
> JST August 10(JD 1746847.20466), and 1 Tishri of
> the following Hebrew calendar year 3831 fell on
> Monday, Sep 24, 70 AD, so August 10, 70 AD/15 Ab
> 3830 is definitely the correct date of the fire.
>
>* Jerusalem destroyed(observed), the city was "razed flat":
> Julian day: 1746876
> Julian calendar: Saturday, September 8, 70 AD
> Jewish calendar: 14 Elul 3830
> New Moon: Aug 24, 70 AD @ 5:00:32 PM JST
> Julian date: 1746861.12537; Lunation: -22910
> Moon distance: 383547k(60.1 ER); Subtends 0.5193 degrees
> Right ascension: 10:08:36.65; Declination: 14:28:24
> Azimuth: 96.911; Altitude: 16.773
> Rising: 4:37:40 AM JST; JD 1746860.60949
> Setting: 6:21:09 PM JST; JD 1746861.18135
> Notes: "desolate...consummation"[Dan 9:27] fulfilled.
> Titus spared only the western wall and the three
> towers, Hippicon, Phasaelus and Mariamme "..for
> their great beauty and strength...a monument to
> posterity to the magnificence of that city."
> [ref. Ussher's 4073bAM,4783JP,70AD#6978]
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
> IN SUMMARY:
> -Jesus was born before sunrise Monday, August 12, 3 BC.
> -Jesus was visited by the Magi Tuesday, June 17, 2 BC.
> -Jesus was baptised on Thursday, September 18, 27 AD.
> -Jesus rode into Jerusalem Saturday, April 21, 31 AD.
> -Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, April 25, 31 AD at
> 9 AM, and died shortly after 3 PM that afternoon; His
> body was entombed after sunset the eve of the Sabbath.
> -Jesus was resurrected early Saturday evening, April 28,
> 31 AD. This fact was discovered at 5 AM Sunday morning.
> -Jesus was 11,944 days of age at His crucifixion. He'd
> lived 32 years/36 weeks/4 days. Now He lives forever.
>
> "...Undeserved kindness to *you* and peace from the(one) being
> and the(one) was and the(one) coming, and from the seven spirits
> which in sight of the throne of him, and from Jesus Christ, [he]
> the Witness the Faithful, the firstborn of the dead(ones) and The
> Ruler of the kings of the earth. To the(one) loving us and having
> loosed us out of the sins of us in the blood of him,--and he made
> us kingdom, priests to the God and to Father of him,--to him the
> glory and the might into the ages; amen. Look! He is coming with
> the clouds, and will see him every eye and whichever(ones) him
> stabbed out, and they will strike themselves upon him all the
> tribes of the earth. Yes, amen." --ref. Rev 1:4-7[WH-ITGS]
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
> <e.o.f.>
>
Mike
philip wrote:
>
> DO WE GOD DAMM CARE!!
>
> TAKE YOUR SHIT ELSE WHERE!
>
> PHILIP
>
Since he is off topic everywhere, we obviously have the right to yell,
scream, flame, whatever. But remember if you choose to feed the trolls
(Don't, please) at least don't quote that long ass message.
Mike
scraping mik off the wheel
Anonymous wrote in message <1999030108...@crius.flash.net>...
>
>
>Here's absolute proof that Jesus is *your* Lord and King...
I thought Jesus was a Palestinian.
mik
martin bier
[at] speed.a2000.nl> wrote:
It doesn't really matter, because he is dead anyway.
martin bier
the mik education of lauryn hill
martin bier wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> Here's absolute proof that Jesus is *your* Lord and King...
>> I thought Jesus was a Palestinian.
Echt waar? Ik heb hem twee jaar geleden nog gezien in London.
In het Lyceum Theatre.
mik
Azrifel
mb...@surgery.bsd.uchicago.edu (martin bier) wrote:
>In article <36da8675$0$19192@newton>, "scraping mik off the wheel" <michael
>[at] speed.a2000.nl> wrote:
>> Anonymous wrote in message <1999030108...@crius.flash.net>...
>> >Here's absolute proof that Jesus is *your* Lord and King...
>> I thought Jesus was a Palestinian.
>It doesn't really matter, because he is dead anyway.
And he didn't want to be king either.
>martin bier
--
"I am Azrifel of The 9th Dominion of The Damned.
I Can Find Anything - Even The Power to Talk to You.
That is My Power."
http://www.oochietoe.demon.nl/ <with Azrifel image>
Robert E. Watts
> cheers,
>
> Blofelds Cat
> ^
^
^
Interesting. Did I catch on ?
Shaken, not stirred.
bob
Blofelds Cat
"King of the Spammers" more like.
Whatever happened to the biblical adage of 'look not for signs' or 'he
will come as a thief in the night'.
I wonder when the religious nuts will realise that they are actually
turning people AWAY from Christ by their 'snake-oil salesman' antics.
This from a God-fearing man (no crap).
cheers,
Blofelds Cat
Dennis Smith
Where's M80s and the Nazis when you need them?
Fuck off you religious freak!
Located in Syd.
>
>Where's M80s and the Nazis when you need them?
>
Say, the original poster wouldn't want to have favour with God!, :)
I find it amusing, that we live in a society that advocates
Tolerance, yet when it comes to Christians, it's always the same, Damm, these
people are disliked!!, I mean when you consider what some, if not most people
are prepared to beleave, The words of Christ exceed both the wisdom and
Inteligence of thid age, that's for sure!!, Doubt it? Southpark is worshiped,
need I say more??
Seems to me if there is "Truth" to religon, these guys (Christianity) would be
the first place to look!!. - Just a thought.
Mike
Well, in my own imaginative little universe I call reality, I would like
to imagine that he posted this not out of religious intolerance, but out
of intolerance towards this particular method of proselytizing, namely
cross posted a lengthy message in a series of group where it is
completely off topic.
Mike, religiously tolerant, and tiring of these posts.
me
> the first place to look!!. - Just a thought.
I lost some of your thread there due to grammar problems, but I can't
believe you seriously think this. If there's any ""Truth"" in religion I
very much doubt it lies in a religion which burned and banned books,
which people have used for their own personal gain as long as it has
been around, which has killed more people than both the world wars put
together, and which blindly refuses to accept any new "theory" if it
contradicts its own outdated beliefs, (Darwin? Galileo?).
Try buddhism. At leat they don't fuck with your freedom and go around
killing people. This is way off topic. Back to Magic I hope.
Andrea
building, I can construct a martini. Mr Bond would ask for his martini
to be stirred, not shaken. Shaking the martini fragments the ice cubes
allowing small chips of ice to be poured into the glass and thus
diluting the martini I'm sure James would agree :)
Andrea
to say, hit your delete button!
Dennis Smith wrote:
>
> Where's M80s and the Nazis when you need them?
>
Dennis Smith
says...
>
>WOW, I think I've found one in you.
Thank you,
>If you don't like what the guy has to say, hit your delete button!
I don't have the "kill file" option.
unsw.edu.au
Located in Syd. wrote:
> In article <7bfh21$vg4$1...@news.doit.wisc.edu>, ps2...@geocities.com (Dennis Smith) wrote:
> >
> >Where's M80s and the Nazis when you need them?
> >
> >@### off you religious freak!
>
> Say, the original poster wouldn't want to have favour with God!, :)
> I find it amusing, that we live in a society that advocates
> Tolerance, yet when it comes to Christians, it's always the same, Damm, these
> people are disliked!!, I mean when you consider what some, if not most people
> are prepared to beleave, The words of Christ exceed both the wisdom and
> Inteligence of thid age, that's for sure!!, Doubt it? Southpark is worshiped,
> need I say more??
>
> Seems to me if there is "Truth" to religon, these guys (Christianity) would be
> the first place to look!!. - Just a thought.
Whats this got to do with payTV? You just contradicted yuorself, you tolerate all but
christians????? Hmmmm, interesting. To each is or her own.