Outcast "Newari" from Nepal!!
Prakash Raj Kunwar
A lot of stuff has been seen at this place written on the favour of
Newari and Newar. I found, directly or indirectly, people saying that
"Newarityo" is same as "Nepalityo"; Newars' identification as a Nepali
is much stronger than others who live in Nepal- Brahmins and
Kshhatriyas, more preciecly; and even that Newars are originated in
Kathmandu and so not others, thats why Newars are pure Nepali while
"Parvate"s have a big qustion mark on their nationality etc. etc. etc.
All these are rubbish ! Wastage !! totally wastage!!! "Newarism" is not
Nepalism. how it could be? As History (if I remember properly) the first
so called NEWAR are the Malla kings of Kathmandu. And their origin? Of
course the neighbouring country- the India!! I am not saying that other
ethenic groups has not the same story. But What I want to say is - in
this aspect most of all are in the same boat.
And When we talk about Nepal nowdays, we don't mean only kathmandu. Who
still thinks so, they are the people like "Kuwaa ko bhyaaguto" and has
the mentality that dates back to so many decades (when "Nepal" used to
indicate only "Kathmandu").
"Yo RADIO NEWAR HO"
*******************
A national organisation like "Radio Nepal" gave the priority (after
Nepali, lets not count English) to this minority language while
negleting all the others language of considerably big group. After that
it goes for HINDI- What a shame! Hindi has been considered more
important in nepal than all that dozens of it's all language.
Bye the way, I'm talking about Newari at the moment. "Radio Newar"
recognise maitheli later. But shouldn't it get the 2nd priority after
Nepali as it is the 2nd biggest language of Nepal (unless you define
NEPAL as kathmandu only)?
Nobody can deny that Nepal is a Hindu country. Our culture is one of the
oldest in the world. It is based on SANSKRIT- the language of our great
sages- who teached us so many things with the help of this "DEV-VAANEE".
Now as their followers, its our duty to preserve this heritage in its
original form. Preserve the disspearing "Sanskrit" is not less important
important than anything else.
Now Very few people understand this very rich and wonderful language.
They don't speak it. So it is more urgent to take an action now.
Remember when finally the Radio started to give some time for it, how
much noise was made by these "KUWAA KA BHYAGUTAAHAROO"!
"NEWARBAAD MURDABAAD"
**********************
And same thing happened (big noise made by "KUWAA KA BHYAGUTAAHAROO")
when it was trying to include SANSKRIT in the Highschool curiculum. On
these both occassion, their "NAARAA" was "Bhahunbaad Murdabaad". And
they were no ones else- but so called NEWARS.
No wonder they didn't realise that this is not a BAHOON BAAD but a NEPAL
BAAD, RASHTRA BAAD, SANSKRITEE (culture) BAAD.
And worst thing happen when people who do so called RAJNEETEE on the
basis of this language said that "Go-Hatyaa" should be allowed. What a
shammed for this civilised society! These NEWARS couldn't get anything
else to eat? They better eat their own jobby rather than "GO MAANSH".
There will be no wonder if they wanted to kill their own mother to eat
in near future since they already introduce themselves as a satan.
Our traditional culture is our civilisation and that is NEPALITYO. These
Newar and Newari are the virus in our well organised society. To
preserve our NEPAL and NEPALITYO we must must must outcast these
elements from the society before it is too late.
PRAKASH KUNWAR
(Not a Newar!!!)
Anil Tuladhar
Dear Prakash,
You could have done better than this. You still did a good
job by expressing yourself which many people won't dare to do. You
deserve a great credit. Keep up your good job.
Prakash Raj Kunwar (p...@horao.ac.jp) wrote:
: A lot of stuff has been seen at this place written on the favour of
: Newari and Newar. I found, directly or indirectly, people saying that
: "Newarityo" is same as "Nepalityo"; Newars' identification as a Nepali
: is much stronger than others who live in Nepal- Brahmins and
: Kshhatriyas, more preciecly; and even that Newars are originated in
: Kathmandu and so not others, thats why Newars are pure Nepali while
: "Parvate"s have a big qustion mark on their nationality etc. etc. etc.
: All these are rubbish ! Wastage !! totally wastage!!! "Newarism" is not
: Nepalism. how it could be? As History (if I remember properly) the first
: so called NEWAR are the Malla kings of Kathmandu. And their origin? Of
: course the neighbouring country- the India!! I am not saying that other
: ethenic groups has not the same story. But What I want to say is - in
: this aspect most of all are in the same boat.
Let me differ with you here. Let me educate you that Mallas were indian
kings but Newars of Kathmandu never came from India. You seem to lack
even a common sense. Malla kings were very wise so they decided to
follow the Newari culture rather than imposing their own culture unlike
prithvi narahin shah.
: And When we talk about Nepal nowdays, we don't mean only kathmandu. Who
: still thinks so, they are the people like "Kuwaa ko bhyaaguto" and has
: the mentality that dates back to so many decades (when "Nepal" used to
: indicate only "Kathmandu").
: "Yo RADIO NEWAR HO"
: *******************
For your information, Newari used to be an official language not long back.
Even Mahendra used to hold meetings in Newari. If you need I can provide
you references.
: A national organisation like "Radio Nepal" gave the priority (after
: Nepali, lets not count English) to this minority language while
: negleting all the others language of considerably big group. After that
: it goes for HINDI- What a shame! Hindi has been considered more
: important in nepal than all that dozens of it's all language.
Dear Kunwar, why are you against your own ancestors (indians)?
: Bye the way, I'm talking about Newari at the moment. "Radio Newar"
: recognise maitheli later. But shouldn't it get the 2nd priority after
: Nepali as it is the 2nd biggest language of Nepal (unless you define
: NEPAL as kathmandu only)?
Maithali should be treated with respect but let me tell you one thing
that there is no language in Nepal as developed as Newari, not even Nepali
(sorry to say that). I also hear this logic again and again that all
language deserve equal treatment why Newari alone. Listen there are
thousands of reasons why Newari deserves more attention than other
languages. I can list them all here if you like. Some are given here.
i) It is NOT a dialect as many people define and like to say. It is a
full-fledge language. There are all well developed Bidhas of literature
in Newari like Mahakabya, poems, stories, novels etc etc.
ii) It used to a National language. History also plays a role in
importance. Have you studied "Hysteresis" in physics?
iii) It is still spoken by millions of people.
iv) There are many invaluable books written in Newari.
v) Newari is unique in its syntax and semantics.
: Nobody can deny that Nepal is a Hindu country. Our culture is one of the
: oldest in the world. It is based on SANSKRIT- the language of our great
: sages- who teached us so many things with the help of this "DEV-VAANEE".
: Now as their followers, its our duty to preserve this heritage in its
: original form. Preserve the disspearing "Sanskrit" is not less important
: important than anything else.
Who said sanskrit is less important? Yes, I remembered once I objected
broadcasting news in sanskrit vociferously. Do you know why? Only
because the people in power were trying to misuse the taxpayers money.
There is a clear double standard here. Sanskrit is already getting a big
support from the government as there is a university running with
taxpayer's money. And on the top of that now government is spending
money to broadcast news in sanskrit which is benefiting nobody (except you
perhaps). My only comment is if sanskrit carries historical and
religious importance, so does Newari. Where is Newari University in Nepal?
: Now Very few people understand this very rich and wonderful language.
: They don't speak it. So it is more urgent to take an action now.
: Remember when finally the Radio started to give some time for it, how
: much noise was made by these "KUWAA KA BHYAGUTAAHAROO"!
What a wonderful comment!? I started loving this guy.
: "NEWARBAAD MURDABAAD"
: **********************
What a frantic cry! I really sympathy you. It seems you are getting a
mental break-down.
: And same thing happened (big noise made by "KUWAA KA BHYAGUTAAHAROO")
: when it was trying to include SANSKRIT in the Highschool curiculum. On
: these both occassion, their "NAARAA" was "Bhahunbaad Murdabaad". And
: they were no ones else- but so called NEWARS.
: No wonder they didn't realise that this is not a BAHOON BAAD but a NEPAL
: BAAD, RASHTRA BAAD, SANSKRITEE (culture) BAAD.
That is the problem. Some people think that BAHUNBAD and SANSKRITBAD as
Nepalbad which is not true.
: And worst thing happen when people who do so called RAJNEETEE on the
: basis of this language said that "Go-Hatyaa" should be allowed. What a
: shammed for this civilised society! These NEWARS couldn't get anything
: else to eat? They better eat their own jobby rather than "GO MAANSH".
: There will be no wonder if they wanted to kill their own mother to eat
: in near future since they already introduce themselves as a satan.
Here you showed your terrible identity. I have tremendous respect to
Hinduism and its openness. But some fanatics try to make this religion
too a very narrow and closeminded one. Wake up man! Hinduism never
forbid any muslim to kill and eat beef. If you think that it does so,
you are not a Hindu. But yes hinduism suggest to kill own relatives as
you mentioned above. Go and read Mahabharat. Get real!
: Our traditional culture is our civilisation and that is NEPALITYO. These
: Newar and Newari are the virus in our well organised society. To
: preserve our NEPAL and NEPALITYO we must must must outcast these
: elements from the society before it is too late.
What a touchy sentiment eh! Wait a minute. Cool down boy! What is our
Traditional Civilisation? Let us discuss it. I am sure that you will
start to love Newari and Newars once you develop such love towards OUR
traditional culture and civilization.
: PRAKASH KUNWAR
: (Not a Newar!!!)
Anil TULADHAR
A proud NEWAR
jul...@msu.edu
>
> : And worst thing happen when people who do so called RAJNEETEE on the
> : basis of this language said that "Go-Hatyaa" should be allowed. What a
> <distasteful remarks deleted>
>
> : PRAKASH KUNWAR
> : (Not a Newar!!!)
>
>
> Are you a vegetarian? I am a vegetarian and I hate any form of killing
> (especially those who are harmless). So my full sympathy to you if you
> are also a vegetarian. But one thing I still could not understand is that
> why is it a crime to kill a Gai (cow) while not to kill a Khasi (goat) or
> a Rango (buffalo)? I am against killing of any of these creatures.
>
> I raised the same question a few years ago and somebody said that it was
> only because Nepal is still a Hindu country and Hinduism bars to kill gai
> but not a goat. Is there any expert out there in HINDUISM to answer my
> question? Why does Hinduism propound Vegetarianism while promoting
> sacrificial rituals?
>
> If Hinduism is confused at this point, there is no rational basis for making
> laws based on this confused religion. I also strongly recommend to change
> the laws based on Hinduism to something rational. I wish I could make a law
> to bar all forms of killing.
>
> No offense is intended. I will be more than happy to discuss this issue
> further.
>
> Anil
>
> "A wise person uses religion as a guide, a fool as a weapon."
>
> - Anil
I am finally beginning to understand how conflicts like those in Bosnia,
Rwanda etc arose. I also have a feeling that I understand why the
Maoists are waging a war in Nepal. Keep it up good job!
Anil Tuladhar
Anil Tuladhar
jul...@msu.edu wrote:
: I am finally beginning to understand how conflicts like those in Bosnia,
: Rwanda etc arose. I also have a feeling that I understand why the
: Maoists are waging a war in Nepal. Keep it up good job!
What do not you do PhD in it? By the time you defend your thesis, you
will get a good result. A live example! BTY are you an american?
Anil
Purushottam Shrestha
: Newari and Newar. I found, directly or indirectly, people saying that
: All these are rubbish ! Wastage !! totally wastage!!!
: To
: preserve our NEPAL and NEPALITYO we must must must outcast these
: elements from the society before it is too late.
: PRAKASH KUNWAR
: (Not a Newar!!!)
Mr. Kunwar,
It smells bigotry and authoritarianism. I do not know why is your
thinking filled of all the nonsenses in the world. Stop
fantasising now and get the real. Present day
Nepal and Nepali cannot be hurled back to 104 years of Rana
regime and 30 years of Panchayati regime. There are the forces
trying to return back to dark period of the history, but Nepali
people will not allow this they will kick the butts of these
bigots and reactionaries. Outcast all the bigots and reactionary
forces who are against the people, culture, language and progress
of the Nepal but any ethnic language or community.
Purushottam
(A proud Newar and Nepali)
sawid lal
>
> A lot of stuff has been seen at this place written on the favour of
> Newari and Newar. I found, directly or indirectly, people saying that
> is much stronger than others who live in Nepal- Brahmins and
> Kshhatriyas, more preciecly; and even that Newars are originated in
> Kathmandu and so not others, thats why Newars are pure Nepali while
> "Parvate"s have a big qustion mark on their nationality etc. etc. etc.
Mr Kunwar, you have so far been able to concoct premises for your
arguments. Nice try, but I do not remember anyone or any ethnic-subgroup
expressing any superiority over others. They were just trying to find
out where they stood, and be they newars or others, have tried to
justify the way they feel as a group, whether others agree or not.
> All these are rubbish ! Wastage !! totally wastage!!! "Newarism" is not
> Nepalism. how it could be? As History (if I remember properly) the first
> so called NEWAR are the Malla kings of Kathmandu. And their origin? Of
> course the neighbouring country- the India!! I am not saying that other
> ethenic groups has not the same story. But What I want to say is - in
> this aspect most of all are in the same boat.
what exactly are you trying to say here. The whole debate was about
where each group stands today in the national community rather than why
any group should be privileged due to their ancestry. Ask Darwin, he
might be able to help you out here.
> And When we talk about Nepal nowdays, we don't mean only kathmandu. Who
> still thinks so, they are the people like "Kuwaa ko bhyaaguto" and has
> the mentality that dates back to so many decades (when "Nepal" used to
> indicate only "Kathmandu").
>
> "Yo RADIO NEWAR HO"
> *******************
>
> A national organisation like "Radio Nepal" gave the priority (after
> Nepali, lets not count English) to this minority language while
> negleting all the others language of considerably big group. After that
> it goes for HINDI- What a shame! Hindi has been considered more
> important in nepal than all that dozens of it's all language.
>
> Bye the way, I'm talking about Newari at the moment. "Radio Newar"
> recognise maitheli later. But shouldn't it get the 2nd priority after
> Nepali as it is the 2nd biggest language of Nepal (unless you define
> NEPAL as kathmandu only)?
There was no priority here. Just a matter of convenience. And what the
hell is 'radio newar'? Radio nepal is the government run radio station
in Nepal that broadcasts programmes in different languages. the desire
of the people to be voiced in their language determines what they want
to hear. As far as hindi goes, I believe it is just appropriate to
accomodate hindi using audience.
> Nobody can deny that Nepal is a Hindu country. Our culture is one of
the
> oldest in the world. It is based on SANSKRIT- the language of our great
> sages- who teached us so many things with the help of this "DEV-VAANEE".
> Now as their followers, its our duty to preserve this heritage in its
> original form. Preserve the disspearing "Sanskrit" is not less important
> important than anything else.
why should it be anyone's duty to preserve anything that serves no
purpose to them. Let's face it, sanskrit is on the exit lane. Also, why
should anyone be slave to 'dev-vanee' or 'parampara'. Let yesterday be
an achievement, tomorrow a goal.
>
> Now Very few people understand this very rich and wonderful language.
> They don't speak it. So it is more urgent to take an action now.
> Remember when finally the Radio started to give some time for it, how
> much noise was made by these "KUWAA KA BHYAGUTAAHAROO"!
{please see the response above}
> "NEWARBAAD MURDABAAD"
> **********************
>
> And same thing happened (big noise made by "KUWAA KA BHYAGUTAAHAROO")
> when it was trying to include SANSKRIT in the Highschool curiculum. On
> these both occassion, their "NAARAA" was "Bhahunbaad Murdabaad". And
> they were no ones else- but so called NEWARS.
> No wonder they didn't realise that this is not a BAHOON BAAD but a NEPAL
> BAAD, RASHTRA BAAD, SANSKRITEE (culture) BAAD.
>
> And worst thing happen when people who do so called RAJNEETEE on the
> basis of this language said that "Go-Hatyaa" should be allowed. What a
> shammed for this civilised society! These NEWARS couldn't get anything
> else to eat? They better eat their own jobby rather than "GO MAANSH".
> There will be no wonder if they wanted to kill their own mother to eat
> in near future since they already introduce themselves as a satan.
Go hatya is not about any eating habit or lack of it. It is about the
underlying principle that binds all the people together and prevents
them from seeing ahead. Let each person decide for themselves.
> Our traditional culture is our civilisation and that is NEPALITYO. These
> Newar and Newari are the virus in our well organised society. To
> preserve our NEPAL and NEPALITYO we must must must outcast these
> elements from the society before it is too late.
Inability to appreciate what is not in you is your greatest fault. If
you want to outcast anybody, outcast yourself, because you do not fit in
the crowd of free thinkers, and peacefully alive people.
> PRAKASH KUNWAR
> (Not a Newar!!!)
Try being with people from different ethnic backgrounds and you might
wake up from your 104+ years of delusion.
sawid
Pat
> why is it a crime to kill a Gai (cow) while not to kill a Khasi (goat) or
> a Rango (buffalo)? I am against killing of any of these creatures.
>
include
plants, on which a vegetarian survives).Some people draw their line
at plants, and some draw their lines at animals and people
recognize these
2 sects of people by naming them Vegetarians and Non Vegetarians.
> I wish I could make a law
> to bar all forms of killing.
That would no doubt lead to a lot many hungry people *8-)
> No offense is intended. I will be more than happy to discuss this issue
> further.
Yup!!.Stated above are my beleifs and my side of the arguement and It
is really not meant to hurt anyone.
Pat Srinivas
I think religion and eating habits must be totally left to the choice
of
people
Mahesh Ghimire
Anil Tuladhar wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Prakash,
>
> Are you a vegetarian? I am a vegetarian and I hate any form of killing
> (especially those who are harmless). So my full sympathy to you if you
> are also a vegetarian. But one thing I still could not understand is that
> a Rango (buffalo)? I am against killing of any of these creatures.
>
> only because Nepal is still a Hindu country and Hinduism bars to kill gai
> but not a goat. Is there any expert out there in HINDUISM to answer my
> question? Why does Hinduism propound Vegetarianism while promoting
> sacrificial rituals?
>
> If Hinduism is confused at this point, there is no rational basis for making
>
- Anil
Dear Anil,
I am not an expert in Hinduism, but if only expert start answering there
will be no answers in this news group. By the way though I am following
the thread so this header reads "outcast..." I am not supporting Mr.
kunwar's views.
In my understanding Hinduism DOES NOT propound vegetarianism, at least
not in the begening. I read somewhere(? "Sarita" hindi mag or Rahul
Sanskrityan the Indian progressive philosopher, writer) that many of the
Vedic Richas could mean offering the most tender of the calf to the fire
or to the respected guest etc. I guess this depends on the
interpretations and is debatable, but to me they sound possible that
early Hindu used to eat beef.
I think as Hindus started settling in and around the plains of Ganges
they realised the benefit of vegetarianism in this more settled and
primarily agricultural/trading way of life. Milk was more easily
preserved by making ghee and other things, bull could be used for
ploughing, meat could rot and spread disesse easily on their new hot
homeland. So they started propoundind the idea of vegetarianism.
About sacrificing animals,it is not the main stream of hinduism and is
more popular among the Bengali and Nepali Hindus. I am not saying this
ritual is bad for I have stopped seeing rituals, cultures and religions
as good or bad. But Hindus might have got this from the native cultures
of these regions. Like Hindus of Nepal hills have kull Deuta which is
very simmilar to Kiranti practice as one netter ( Mr. Kalyan Rai?) wrote
few months back.
BTW I am happy that you got your well deserved apology from the Himal.
Thanks
Mahesh
bhanu limbu
> Prakash Raj Kunwar wrote:
> > Nobody can deny that Nepal is a Hindu country. Our culture is one of
> the
> > oldest in the world. It is based on SANSKRIT- the language of our great
> > sages- who teached us so many things with the help of this "DEV-VAANEE".
> > Now as their followers, its our duty to preserve this heritage in its
> > original form. Preserve the disspearing "Sanskrit" is not less important
> > important than anything else.
> >
> > Now Very few people understand this very rich and wonderful language.
> > They don't speak it. So it is more urgent to take an action now.
> > Remember when finally the Radio started to give some time for it, how
> > much noise was made by these "KUWAA KA BHYAGUTAAHAROO"!
> > "NEWARBAAD MURDABAAD"
> > **********************
> >
> > And same thing happened (big noise made by "KUWAA KA BHYAGUTAAHAROO")
> > when it was trying to include SANSKRIT in the Highschool curiculum. On
> > these both occassion, their "NAARAA" was "Bhahunbaad Murdabaad". And
> > they were no ones else- but so called NEWARS.
> > No wonder they didn't realise that this is not a BAHOON BAAD but a NEPAL
> > BAAD, RASHTRA BAAD, SANSKRITEE (culture) BAAD.
> > PRAKASH KUNWAR
> > (Not a Newar!!!)
It is very arrogrant or perhaps ignorant of you to claim Nepal as a Hindu
Country. I guess you haven't got any idea about the cultures that Tamang,
Sherpa, Gurung , Rai, Limbu, Newar, Magar.. (list goes on ) have been
enjoying since long before the current Nepal was formed by Prithivi
Narayan saha. So please stop throwing these garbage to this newsgroup. It
will only bring ill feelings among us.
As for you Sanskrit, we should be happy with what we have got now,
considering the fact that some ehinic groups and their languages are still
being looked over.
Hope we all can live in harmony and be proud of our multi cultural
soceity.
Cheers
Bhanu limbu
Partha
Pat wrote:
>> I think religion and eating habits must be totally left to the
>> choice of people
Sudarshan wrote:
> You better understand what you're talking about. We'r talking about
> cutting a cow in Nepal, which is regarded as a very scared animal by
I do know what I'm talking about!(I agree with Anil's post at least in
this regard..).Again..There is no difference in killing a cow or a
chicken.(Purely upto taste..;-) ).
> our culture. Don't borther to reply
I think it is upto me to decide whether to reply or not! (esp, since
this mail was directed at me and not even posted in the Newsgroup!)
Take it easy man,
Pat Srinivas
Hazoor2Baa
Prakash Raj Kunwar <p...@horao.ac.jp> on Mon, 10 Feb 1997 wrote:
>A lot of stuff has been seen at this place written on the favour of
>Newari and Newar. I found, directly or indirectly, people saying that
>"Newarityo" is same as "Nepalityo"; Newars' identification as a Nepali
>is much stronger than others who live in Nepal- Brahmins and
>Kshhatriyas, more preciecly; and even that Newars are originated in
>Kathmandu and so not others, thats why Newars are pure Nepali while
>"Parvate"s have a big qustion mark on their nationality etc. etc. etc.
Bravo my boy Kunwar! Your mom and dad must be proud of you to give
you the birth. What Mr. Paudyalaya could not say openly, you have
done it so. We need articles like this in SCN, so it will be lively
place where the true faces of the people like you can be seen.
From your e-mail address, it appears you are currently residing in
U.K. where that famous "MAD COW DISEASE" was prevalent. You could not
resist a McDonald Hamburger or the juicy beef steak? and you stole
one from a restaurant? You have shown such a big bravery,
but don't tell later that it was just the effect of having that beef
steak (hiding from everyone), and unfortunately the mad cow disease
virus was in that beef steak. If it is true, then my heartfelt
sympathies to your mom and dad.
>All these are rubbish ! Wastage !! totally wastage!!! "Newarism" is not
>Nepalism. how it could be?
Where does your I.Q. level stands? No-one except you are talking
about "Newarism" and "Nepalism". It was just said that Newar language
and culture developed and found in Nepal is A PART OF THE NATIONAL
HERITAGE OF NEPAL. Therefore, forgetting it will be equal to losing
our national heritage. Just because you don't like Newars or Newari
language does not mean that Newars are not a sub-set of Nepal. Why
should that sub-set forget their cultural heritage. If Newars can forget
their heritage, then every other ethnic group can do so. Then what
will be left in Nepal? It is only bigots like you and Mr. S. Paudyalaya,
who thinks that every other ethnic groups' cultural heritage can be
forgotten, except of their own.
If one can forget Newari, then why not Nepali? and make english as
the national language? Does this statement hurt you? (I am not in
support of doing this, this argument is just to make you realize
what you geeks were implied by saying "Forget Newari..".
>As History (if I remember properly) the first
>so called NEWAR are the Malla kings of Kathmandu.
From these statements of yours, I am now sure that you are suffering
from BSE= Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (or Mad Cow Disease), as you
could not remember anything. Mallas are the last dynasty of the Newar
kings in KTM. Ofcourse, Mallas came from India, but they adapted to
the Newari culture, and Newari language. Newars were in KTM long
before Mallas, even before any of your Rishis made any "Dev-Vani".
>And their origin? Of
>course the neighbouring country- the India!! I am not saying that other
>ethenic groups has not the same story. But What I want to say is - in
>this aspect most of all are in the same boat.
Not all the ethnic groups come from India.
You are so-much one-track minded (like a stubborn sheep) that you
even don't know that several of the ethnic groups come from north
of the Himalayas.
>And When we talk about Nepal nowdays, we don't mean only kathmandu. Who
>still thinks so, they are the people like "Kuwaa ko bhyaaguto" and has
>the mentality that dates back to so many decades (when "Nepal" used to
>indicate only "Kathmandu").
But that "Kuwa" which you are referring here was like a heaven. In heaven
the Gods reside. Do I need to be explicit? See where are the holiest
temples in Nepal: Pashupati Nath, Swayambhu, Bouddha, Taleju, and so
many other goddesses. In heaven the children of god resides. KTM was
so beautiful that even one of your poet Bhanubhakta described that
KTM was more beautiful than heaven. It was a beautiful place so much
so that all the insects of Nepal like Kunwar Sunwar wanted to settle
there. Then one day the big satan came and took over the Kathmandu,
and gradually the KTM turned into the hell. Now KTM=Hell. Even,
the gods have ranaway from KTM and even from Nepal. Therefore, nowadays
only devils rule in Nepal.
The "Bhyaagutos" live in KTM, and insects come there to get bits and
pieces from them.
>"Yo RADIO NEWAR HO"
*******************
Keep it up boy, we need people like you. If I could, I will make
you the director of RADIO NEWAR.
>A national organisation like "Radio Nepal" gave the priority (after
>Nepali, lets not count English)
Why you don't want to count English? because your father served as
a mercenary for the Britishers or you dearly like the language of
beef eating people?
>to this minority language while
>negleting all the others language of considerably big group.
How can I help to increase your I.Q.? Why does all kinds of insects
come to Kathmandu where only "Bhyaagutos" used to reside, and who speaks
only Newari (except some traitor "Bhyaagutos"). Next thing you will
ask will be why did P.N. Shaha favored only Newars by moving the
capital close to them? Why are the major facilities only in KTM?
Get real man! Do some reality checking.
>After that
>it goes for HINDI- What a shame! Hindi has been considered more
>important in nepal than all that dozens of it's all language.
Hindi was your fore-father's language, therefore you are insulting
yourself. Now geek, you are talking about preserving other languages!
"Tero Ghainto_ma Balla Gham Lagyo?" What happened in the last
150 years? Was any effort made to preserve or develop those languages?
Newari survived only because it was the main-spoken language of the
capital, and Newars are very industrious people. Think about all
those temples in KTM which you show proudly to the tourists. Who
built them?
>Bye the way, I'm talking about Newari at the moment. "Radio Newar"
>recognise maitheli later. But shouldn't it get the 2nd priority after
>Nepali as it is the 2nd biggest language of Nepal (unless you define
>NEPAL as kathmandu only)?
>Nobody can deny that Nepal is a Hindu country. Our culture is one of the
>oldest in the world. It is based on SANSKRIT- the language of our great
>sages- who teached us so many things with the help of this "DEV-VAANEE".
>Now as their followers, its our duty to preserve this heritage in its
>original form. Preserve the disspearing "Sanskrit" is not less important
>important than anything else.
Why don't you go to live like those "Rishis" instead of being in
U.K. where they kill your holy-mothers: "Cow". You will better preserve
your old cultures that way. you geek, do you know or understand any
Sanskrit yourself.
Who said that preserving "Sanskrit" is less important? But look at
this hyppocrite: He wants to preserve "Sanskrit" by forcing on the
people to speak it, but he wants to destroy "Newari" by forcing on
the people not to speak it.
>Now Very few people understand this very rich and wonderful language.
>They don't speak it. So it is more urgent to take an action now.
Instead of being in U.K., go to join our "Sanskrit Viswavidyalaya"
>"NEWARBAAD MURDABAAD"
**********************
You look like a hired demonstrator or "Juluuse". Did someone pay you
2 paisa for this "Naaraa", or again this is just the effect of that
Mad Cow Disease?
>And same thing happened (big noise made by "KUWAA KA BHYAGUTAAHAROO")
>when it was trying to include SANSKRIT in the Highschool curiculum.
What is the current situation of the primary and secondary education
in Nepal? Why does not govt. spend the money in raising the standard
of public education, instead of imposing their skewed ideology on others?
>On
>these both occassion, their "NAARAA" was "Bhahunbaad Murdabaad". And
>they were no ones else- but so called NEWARS.
>No wonder they didn't realise that this is not a BAHOON BAAD but a NEPAL
>BAAD, RASHTRA BAAD, SANSKRITEE (culture) BAAD.
Don't you damn realize that here "Bhahunbaad" refers only the "Maniac
Ideologies of some people, like trying to impose Sanskrit language
on others, while they send their own children to the beef eating
countries like USA, UK, Australia etc for the education?
"Bhahun" here does not refer to people with surname ending in
Sharma, Pokhrel etc. Lots of these people are near and dear
friends to the Newars. Why will anyone call their friends "Murdaabaad"?
>And worst thing happen when people who do so called RAJNEETEE on the
>basis of this language said that "Go-Hatyaa" should be allowed.
You must be really out of your mind to distort the truth. If go-hatyaa
is the main issue, then why does your politicians and fore-fathers
are always asking for the alms from beef-eating countries? Don't you
want to stop them? Is not it against your conscience to get the
money from people who kill your holy-mother: "Cow"?
But the fact is that everyone keeps their own view point, and no one
can dictate others what to eat and what not to eat. If your religion
and your conscience don't allow eating beef, then you follow that
and don't eat beef (Otherwise you wouldn't have got BSE disease),
but why do you want to impose your belief on others? Only thing
that were said was that you cannot impose your ideology on others.
>What a
>shammed for this civilised society!
Head and tail of a coin cannot turn at the same time. Look at
your own posting, and see how much civilized it is. Nepal cannot
be called civilized with mad-dogs like you running around.
>These NEWARS couldn't get anything
>else to eat? They better eat their own jobby rather than "GO MAANSH".
What are you doing in a beef eating country? Licking their butt?
Do you still have your jobby left or you already ate them treating
as "GO MAANSH"?
>There will be no wonder if they wanted to kill their own mother to eat
>in near future since they already introduce themselves as a satan.
People like Duryodhan, Kansa, Shishupal used to slander Krishna with
such words. Can anybody tell the home address of this geek? We have
to caution his mother and provide her with enough security? Otherwise
who knows? this geek might want to eliminate his own mother and replace
with the four-footed cow.
>Our traditional culture is our civilisation and that is NEPALITYO.
What is your Civilization? What is your cultural heritage?
>These
>Newar and Newari are the virus in our well organised society.
That is it! The Newari virus has got into your head, and now you
are dys-functional. All other Nepalese, please be aware that
there is no cure for the viral diseases, only cure is to put
this infected person in quarantine for ever.
>To
>preserve our NEPAL and NEPALITYO we must must must outcast these
>elements from the society before it is too late.
Are you advocating another holocaust? or what?
Your ancestor JBR massacred hundreds to be the prime-minister
You want another "Kot-Parba"? and replace dirty waters of Bagmati
with blood?
Only from people like you, it can be expected to cut the branch of
a tree from which you are hanging.
>PRAKASH KUNWAR
>(Not a Newar!!!) << Newars don't want lunatics like you to be a Newar.
Read this posting many times, and get some wise words from:
HazoorBaa Nepali.
Anil Tuladhar
Mahesh Ghimire (umgh...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: Dear Anil,
: I am not an expert in Hinduism, but if only expert start answering there
: will be no answers in this news group. By the way though I am following
: the thread so this header reads "outcast..." I am not supporting Mr.
: kunwar's views.
: In my understanding Hinduism DOES NOT propound vegetarianism, at least
: not in the begening. I read somewhere(? "Sarita" hindi mag or Rahul
: Sanskrityan the Indian progressive philosopher, writer) that many of the
: Vedic Richas could mean offering the most tender of the calf to the fire
: or to the respected guest etc. I guess this depends on the
: interpretations and is debatable, but to me they sound possible that
: early Hindu used to eat beef.
: I think as Hindus started settling in and around the plains of Ganges
: they realised the benefit of vegetarianism in this more settled and
: primarily agricultural/trading way of life. Milk was more easily
: preserved by making ghee and other things, bull could be used for
: ploughing, meat could rot and spread disesse easily on their new hot
: homeland. So they started propoundind the idea of vegetarianism.
: About sacrificing animals,it is not the main stream of hinduism and is
: more popular among the Bengali and Nepali Hindus. I am not saying this
: ritual is bad for I have stopped seeing rituals, cultures and religions
: as good or bad. But Hindus might have got this from the native cultures
: of these regions. Like Hindus of Nepal hills have kull Deuta which is
: very simmilar to Kiranti practice as one netter ( Mr. Kalyan Rai?) wrote
: few months back.
That makes complete sense to me. I am glad that you cleared my nagging
confusion. One of the strength of Hinduism is its open-mindedness and
fuzzyness itself, I believe. I was just wondering how could such a
open-minded religion follower become angry with Padma Ratna and warn
him to prosecute when he expressed his view on Cow slaughter! We all
should work together to avoid such confusions and help to bring harmony
among the people of Nepal.
Let us try to make Nepal a unique place with natural beauties and rich
cultures imbued with the essence of Hinduism and Buddhism.
: BTW I am happy that you got your well deserved apology from the Himal.
Thank you.
: Thanks
: Mahesh
Anil
Raju Tuladhar
Prakash Raj Kunwar (p...@horao.ac.jp) wrote:
: A lot of stuff has been seen at this place written on the favour of
: Newari and Newar. I found, directly or indirectly, people saying that
........snipped.........
: Our traditional culture is our civilisation and that is NEPALITYO. These
: Newar and Newari are the virus in our well organised society. To
: preserve our NEPAL and NEPALITYO we must must must outcast these
: elements from the society before it is too late.
: PRAKASH KUNWAR
: (Not a Newar!!!)
What is happening in SCN? Where are all the people who advocate
for the national unity through mutual recognition and tolerance?
Why some people get irked by the very mention of the words
"Newari" or "Newar"?
What started was a simple discussion among some interested people
about the history and culture and origination of some words in
Newari language, until somebody said "forget Newari and be
Nepali".
Religion, language, culture and nationality are vital factors
with which every human being tries to identify or associate with.
As a house has different number of walls, columns and beams, and
all of them make the house, so does the cultures of different
ethnic groups and their languages make the national identity.
Languages and cultures are national heritages. Their preservation
keeps the national heritage intact. There are several languages
which can be found only in Nepal, and not anywhere else in the
world. Examples are Magar, Limbu, Gurung, Newar, etc etc. All of
these languages are gradually dieing and disappearing. Some
interested people atleast try to slow its death through dialogues
and revive the people's interest.
Ofcourse, it is not only Newari, other languages could be a topic
of discussion as well. I will be glad to know more about history
and culture, origin of other languages like Magar, Limbu etc.
Newari is still surviving, because of two reasons (1: first, it
is a highly developed language, and second: it was (till sometime
back), the main spoken language in the capital of Nepal. But it
is also gradually disappearing.
Some people seem to be highly offended and get out of their mind
by the very mention about Newar or Newari. Is not SCN about the
issues dealing with Nepal? Are not Newars or Newari a part of
Nepal? Therefore, do they not have their right to be a part
of SCN?
What is wrong with some people in SCN. If they do not want to
read some articles, then they don't have to read it. Don't they
know how to kill an article from their files?
There is a proverb in Nepali which says "Bigreko Gharko Bhatkeko
Jhyal". Is not the situation of Nepal like this "Bhatkeko Jhyal"
?
Is not the problem about poverty of Nepal serious enough that
we want to add on the ethnic clashes? Where is our status in
the world? Look at the TV pictures in the western media. We
are always shown as the destitutes and poverty ridden, suffering
from variety of sickness and mal-nutrition. We are being
depicted as the 2nd least developed country in the world.
Those who have travelled abroad, they how they are treated
in the airport as soon as they see the Nepali passport? When
are we going to come out of this humiliation?
All of our ministers and politicians are busy asking for the
donations from other countries. More than 30% of our national
budget is used as the interest payment of our national loans.
What are we leaving behind for our future generations? except
a debt ridden unmanaged country? Nepalese in every foreign
country are treated as the drug smugglers, with suspicion!
Will there be an end to such humiliations?
Newars are being wrongly portrayed as advocating for the
cow slaughter. They just want not to be imposed, and leave
the decision to the individuals. I have seen people from
almost all the ethnic backgrounds eating beef while outside
Nepal. Is this finger pointing reasonable? We could better
spend our effort in creating 1 cent more of national income.
Newars have not a and don't want schism based on language. They
are only trying to stop the death of their language. Why should
they be viewed as antagonists? Why should anybody have a
headache about that? As soon as one sees a word Newar and
Newari, why one turn berserk and mad?
What has been said by Mr. Prakash Kunwar amounts to a Nazi
tendency. Lets see the response from other SCN patrons who
used to say blah-blah about national unity, developments
and racial tolerance.
Raju Tuladhar (tula...@enci.ucalgary.ca)
Sanjiv Shrestha
This is in response to Mr. Kunwar's desperate cry for "Outcasting
Newari from Nepal":
Well, what to say....yet another bigoted jerk loitering in the
cyberspace who seems to either have had a horrible day or who is
truly dysfunctional. Well, if the former is true, then he should have
apologized by now but since that doesn't seem to be forth coming,
I must say the Mr. Kunwar is dysfunctional. And what is the use of
arguing with people like that? There have been a few people like
him in the past( from what I remember about SCN) whose purpose seems
to be to spread ill will. People like him come and go, absolutely of
no significance. They are like the flame of a match. All of a sudden
they ignite all hot and burning. Come next moment, they are nothing
more than a burnt piece of charcoal.
-Sanjiv Shrestha
Pasadena, CA