My Experience with Native Americans
Sam Sloan
Junior Chess Championship in Towsen Maryland. I was a student at the
University of California at Berkeley so I hitched 3000 miles from
California to Maryland. In Utah, I was picked up. We went about 100
miles until the car crashed. Fortunately, nobody was hurt, but the
car, a Corvet Stingray, was demolished. We were all three arrested and
put in jail in Roosevelt Utah. Turns out the car was stolen and the
two drivers had escaped the previous day from the California Youth
Authority Jail near Tracy. I ratted on them. For my protection, the
jailer put me in a differet cell from the two escapees. He locked me
up with 20 drunken native American Indians. After about two hours, the
sheriff decided that I was not involved in the crime and let me go. I
got out, started hitchhiking and made it to Townsen Maryland on time
to play in the first round on the US Junior Chess Championship. I won
my first three games but lost in Round 4 to John Meyer who went on to
win the Championship.
This was my only really close-up experiernce with Native Americans.
Sam Sloan
NetSock
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Michael
my experience." What's scary is that he probably doesn't even know
that that's what he is doing.
M.
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King Leopold
You really are a very strang guy.
In January, I'll be traveling to the White Mountian Apache Indian
Reservation to play a simul and teach.
Look for my report when I get back on my web site,
http://AmChessCoaching.com
Leopold
"Sam Sloan" <sl...@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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Sam Sloan
wrote:
>He's sneaking in a little afternoon racial superiority masked as "just
>my experience." What's scary is that he probably doesn't even know
>that that's what he is doing.
>
>M.
Why do you call this " a little afternoon racial superiority". All of
this actually happened. If I had been arrested in the Bronx and locked
up with a bunch of Hispanic people you would not call that racist. If
I had been arrested in Brooklyn and locked up with a bunch of blacks
you would not call that racist. If so happens that I was locked up for
about two hours in Roosevelt, Utah with a bunch of Native American
Indians. I have not heard of the place before or since but it is
obvious that there must be a big Native American population there.
There is nothing special either about the fact that I was locked up in
the drunk tank. I was just very lucky not to have been killed in the
car crash because a Corvette Stingray is a fragile car and I was lucky
that the sheriff decided to let me go because after all I had been
traveling in a stolen car with two escaped and very dangerous
criminals.
I walked into the US Junior Championship (which was an open tournament
back then) just as the first round pairings were being read off. I
still remember the games. My first game was black against an
Orang-Utan Opening 1. b4. In the second round I was white in a
Belgrade Gambit. I tricked my opponent into a trap and won in 14
moves. In the game I lost to John Meyer I was White and followed the
game Fischer-Tal Portoroz 1958. I tried to follow analysis given by
Fischer but lost to Meyer in a similar way to the way Fischer had lost
to Tal. Meyer by the way was not familiar with the Fischer game but
just found the right moves.
Winning my first two games was remarkable because I had gone without
sleep for three days while hitchhiking all the way across the US. All
of this is absolutely true and factual.
Sam Sloan
Michael
that that's what he is doing.
M.
"Sam Sloan" <sl...@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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sandirhodes
"Sam Sloan" wrote
> All
> of this is absolutely true and factual.
Gee, Sam, why would anyone disbelieve you?
EZoto
Ok. So your saying your just superior to Native American drunks.
That's the experience you got from this story. Not just any drunk. A
native american drunk. Not only that but you post this garbage in a
native american newsgroup as well. You got a lot of nerve for a
psycho racist.
EZoto
GreenPencil
Matt Nemmers
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> Touching.
Sloan? Yeah, probably some 14-year old Thai whore, but that's about it.
Regards,
Matt
Mohammad Kaffir
> I will tell you a little story.
And, the reason for posting this boring bigoted crap to SCI is ...?
michael adams
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> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:32:38 GMT, Sam Sloan wrote:
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> > Why do you call this " a little afternoon racial superiority". All
> > of this actually happened. If I had been arrested in the Bronx and
> > locked up with a bunch of Hispanic people you would not call that
> > racist. If I had been arrested in Brooklyn and locked up with a
> > bunch of blacks you would not call that racist.
>
> stupid as to not see through your feeble attempt at backing out of
> your obviously racist comments? You'd be better off simply
> apologizing for it, then taking a serious look at your racist
> attitudes. If you really don't think that your comments were racist,
> it just means that your racism has become second nature to you.
>
> > If so happens that I was locked up for about two hours in
> > Roosevelt, Utah with a bunch of Native American Indians.
>
> 20 drunk people" instead, and your subject line was not "My
> Experience with Native Americans", then your comments wouldn't have
> been interpreted as being racist. However, since you chose to write
> your comments in the context of your experience with native Americans,
> your comments can only be understood as being racist. Just as if your
> subject had been "My Experience with Black Americans", and you go on
> to mention being in the drunk tank with "20 drunken black Americans".
>
> > Winning my first two games was remarkable because I had gone
> > without sleep for three days while hitchhiking all the way across
> > the US. All of this is absolutely true and factual.
>
> Americans...drunk or not? Your post was primarily a racist comment,
> and secondarily a chance to show us how impressed you were with
> yourself in the chess tournament. In any event, an altogether
> uninteresting post, though certainly disturbing.
>
> - --
> Melissa
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You be easily disturbed M'lissa, No?. What about Shipshenko uh? Those
eyes, a nose that Napoleon wet-dreamed about, a rather forbidding mouth
- what!..
Sam Sloan
Just to explain, I was writing a movie review of a movie about Native
Americans. Writing the review brought back to my memory of this
incident 39 years ago, so I wrote it into the review.
You can read my movie review at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2321&item=3372519625
Be sure to buy the movie still!
I am sure that this will make it better.
Sam Sloan
P.S. One of my daughters is dating a Native American.
Matt Nemmers
> Sam Sloan
>
> P.S. One of my daughters is dating a Native American.
It's okay to say "Indian." In fact, every Indian I've ever spoken to
prefers that to the en vogue, politically correct "Native American." Just
ask the American Indian Movement (AIM).
There's nothing wrong with it. The term "Indian" came about when
Christopher Columbus set foot on American soil and observed that the
"indigenous peoples" were very spiritual, calling them "In Dios" -- "in
God." Hence, the American-ized term "Indian."
Regards,
Matt
Michael
>
> P.S. One of my daughters is dating a Native American.
I'm sure he'll really enjoy your non-racist story. Give him
the long version.
M.
Mohammad Kaffir
country called India, which is located in Asia.
Whether you call some other people Indian or entire people from the American
continent (North-South combined) as American, it's immaterial.
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Mohammad Kaffir
"Michael" <md...@nospam.cornell.edu> wrote in message
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It seems you can predict how other people will react when Sam Sloan writes
another piece of boring verbiage.
Mohammad Kaffir
>>
> P.S. One of my daughters is dating a Native American.
And you never met that person who your daughter is dating.
Otherwise, you would not written the above masterpiece.
sandirhodes
"Matt Nemmers" wrote
> The term "Indian" came about when
> Christopher Columbus set foot on American soil and observed that the
> "indigenous peoples" were very spiritual, calling them "In Dios" -- "in
> God." Hence, the American-ized term "Indian."
Hmm. I always thought he called them Indians because he thought he had sailed to India...at least that was the schooling I
received.
Sam Sloan
In fact, you are correct. He lives in Tuscon Arizona, and I have never
been there.
Jürgen R.
And you didn't have to join Dubya's Navy ...
>
Sam Sloan
>In case you guys are ignorant, SCI is the discussion group of people from a
>country called India, which is located in Asia.
Many of us, perhaps even a majority, were already aware that there is
a country called India (by us) which is located in Asia.
Sam Sloan
NoSpam
Mohammad Kaffir
"Matt Nemmers" <qcc...@NOSPAMmchsi.com> wrote in message
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> Christopher Columbus set foot on American soil and observed that the
> "indigenous peoples" were very spiritual, calling them "In Dios" -- "in
> God." Hence, the American-ized term "Indian."
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt
>
continents referred themselves as Indians before the arrival of Europeans.
But just FYI, the word India has a different origin. It mainly came from a
river called "Indus".
StanB
"Matt Nemmers" <qcc...@NOSPAMmchsi.com> wrote in message
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> It's okay to say "Indian." In fact, every Indian I've ever spoken to
> prefers that to the en vogue, politically correct "Native American." Just
> ask the American Indian Movement (AIM).
What you don't want to do is ask a Cherokee if he is a Souix.
> There's nothing wrong with it. The term "Indian" came about when
> Christopher Columbus set foot on American soil and observed that the
> "indigenous peoples" were very spiritual, calling them "In Dios" -- "in
> God." Hence, the American-ized term "Indian."
I heard he thought he had made it to India and as such identified them as
Indians.
StanB
sandirhodes
"StanB" wrote
> What you don't want to do is ask a Cherokee if he is a Souix.
For the record, Sioux
> I heard he thought he had made it to India and as such identified them as
> Indians.
Wish I'da thought to mention that.
Mohammad Kaffir
As Michael pointed out, your story sounds quite stereotyped and prejudiced.
Honestly, that wasn't the best way to describe your meeting with any people.
You have made disparaging comments about native americans, blacks and
hispanics which you are not aware of.
StanB
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>
> "StanB" wrote
> > What you don't want to do is ask a Cherokee if he is a Souix.
>
> For the record, Sioux
Even more exact would be Lakota.
StanB
Angelo DePalma
Hudson County, NJ were dead due to unfortunate circumstances, e.g. murder.
But I met quite a few Harley-Driving, hard-drinking, pigtailed Injuns who
slipped through the time, space, and misfortune of their ancestors. Those
were the days, before Akela took over the organization.
Owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwuuuuuuuuuu.
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Angelo DePalma
The schools brainwash our kids into "celebrating" "diversity," but the
minute we point out our differences or distinguish one group from another
we're labeled racist.
I once saw some Chinese folks eating noodles and stuffing dumplings while
chatting in Mandarin.
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> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:32:38 GMT, Sam Sloan wrote:
>
> > Why do you call this " a little afternoon racial superiority". All
> > of this actually happened. If I had been arrested in the Bronx and
> > locked up with a bunch of Hispanic people you would not call that
> > racist. If I had been arrested in Brooklyn and locked up with a
> > bunch of blacks you would not call that racist.
>
> I'm not so sure of that. Do you really expect everyone to be so
> stupid as to not see through your feeble attempt at backing out of
> your obviously racist comments? You'd be better off simply
> apologizing for it, then taking a serious look at your racist
> attitudes. If you really don't think that your comments were racist,
> it just means that your racism has become second nature to you.
>
> > If so happens that I was locked up for about two hours in
> > Roosevelt, Utah with a bunch of Native American Indians.
>
> If you had said, in your original post, that you were "locked up with
> 20 drunk people" instead, and your subject line was not "My
> Experience with Native Americans", then your comments wouldn't have
> been interpreted as being racist. However, since you chose to write
> your comments in the context of your experience with native Americans,
> your comments can only be understood as being racist. Just as if your
> subject had been "My Experience with Black Americans", and you go on
> to mention being in the drunk tank with "20 drunken black Americans".
>
> > Winning my first two games was remarkable because I had gone
> > without sleep for three days while hitchhiking all the way across
> > the US. All of this is absolutely true and factual.
>
Michael
M.
"Angelo DePalma" <adpspamme...@tellurian.net> wrote in message
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Angelo DePalma
I'll bet anyone in this group $100 to $10 that over the next three days I
will witness a group of Italians eating like pigs, yelling and screaming at
one another, and arguing about politics.
"Michael" <md...@nospam.cornell.edu> wrote in message
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Michael
If a teacher is punished for doing so, is that Political Correctness
gone amok?
Happy Holidays, Angelo.
M.
"Angelo DePalma" <adpspamme...@tellurian.net> wrote in message
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Angelo DePalma
least if people understood Italian immigrants as well as I do, having lived
with them for almost 50 years. I'm not afraid of the fact -- not the
stereotype, but the incontrovertable fact -- that Italians are hotheaded and
love to eat. Or that black Americans sing like angels. Are you afraid of
these facts? If so, why?
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Angelo DePalma
I honestly don't understand what you're asking. I'm not being a smartass.
Are you saying that my observations of Chinese are not objective because
they happen to overlap with certain stereotypes?
Angelo
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Michael
groups behave in many different and complex ways. You
may see an American behaving nobly, or extremely badly,
in an "objective" way. But does this then say something about
Americans? What's always interesting is how we choose to
think an entire group of people based on anecdotes.
Not all Italians are "hot headed," to use your term, nor are
they the other very unattractive stereotypes you and I both
know about. But if you object to terrible stereotypes about
Italians, does that make you PC? I'm asking seriously.
Mike
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publius2k
soc.culture.native:
>
>Ok. So your saying your just superior to Native American drunks.
>That's the experience you got from this story. Not just any drunk. A
>native american drunk. Not only that but you post this garbage in a
>native american newsgroup as well. You got a lot of nerve for a
>psycho racist.
>
>EZoto
The confused child also posts to soc.culture.indian not realizing that
is about the culture of India
publius2k
<qcc...@NOSPAMmchsi.com> wrote in soc.culture.native:
I believe that last assertion is a crock, a made up story.
Columbus thought he reached India, hence called them Indios, not In
Dios.
"In" is English. To say 'in God' in Spanish would be "en Dios".
Nick
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> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:14:47 GMT, "Matt Nemmers"
> <qcc...@NOSPAMmchsi.com> wrote in soc.culture.native:
> > "Sam Sloan" <sl...@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> > news:3fe2685d...@ca.news.verio.net...
> >
> > It's okay to say "Indian." In fact, every Indian I've ever spoken to
> > prefers that to the en vogue, politically correct "Native American."
> > Just ask the American Indian Movement (AIM).
> >
> > There's nothing wrong with it. The term "Indian" came about when
> > Christopher Columbus set foot on American soil and observed that the
> > "indigenous peoples" were very spiritual, calling them "In Dios" --
> > "in God." Hence, the American-ized term "Indian."
>
That 'historical explanation' of the term 'Indian' seems apocryphal to me too.
It sounds more like a convenient rationalisation, if not a 'creative excuse',
for some people to reject the usage of the often self-preferred alternative
names for indigenous peoples on the grounds that those names are 'politically
correct' (which is regarded as a term of opprobrium by those people).
> Columbus thought he reached India, hence called them Indios, not In Dios.
> "In" is English. To say 'in God' in Spanish would be "en Dios".
Moreover, I doubt that most fiercely Catholic Spaniards of that age showed
great appreciation or respect for the spiritual traditions of the indigenous
peoples of the 'New World'.
--Nick
Wlodzimierz Holsztynski
> [...] the jailer put me in a differet cell from the two escapees.
> He locked me up with 20 drunken native American Indians. After
> about two hours, the sheriff [...] let me go. I got out, started
> hitchhiking and made it to Townsen Maryland on time to play in
> the first round on the US Junior Chess Championship. I won
> my first three games but lost in Round 4 to John Meyer who
> went on to win the Championship.
>
> This was my only really close-up experiernce with Native Americans.
>
> Sam Sloan
If you had more of such close-up experiences
you'd be a grandmaster today.
Wlod