Independence Day (Location of Announcement)
OK Phang
On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 19:47:30 GMT, deu...@mail.cyberhq.net.my (Maulvi
Bakar) wrote:
>On that fateful day, 31st August 1957, with full-house attendance,
>watched by various dignitaries including the British's... We have the
>*official* lowering of the Union Jack of the United Kingdom of Great
>Britain and the *official* raising of our national 13 striped flag (It
>was 13 at that time, Federal Territory doesn't exist yet).
Were there thirteen stripes in 1957?
I think it was 14 stripes in 1963 and 13 only in 1965 after the
separation of Singapore from Malaysia.
Back to 14 with the creation of FT?
Regards,
OK Phang
michael
In article <322f7247...@news.jaring.my> ph...@pop.jaring.my writes:
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>I think it was 14 stripes in 1963 and 13 only in 1965 after the
>separation of Singapore from Malaysia.
>
>Back to 14 with the creation of FT?
If I remember correctly, the number of strips and points of the
star was left at 14 even in the immediate years after the separation.
regards,
michael ... afn2...@afn.org
OK Phang
Now that you mentioned it, I think you are correct.
How about between 1957 and 1963? How many stripes?
Cheers,
OK Phang
Keith Kum-Tuck Wong
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Bangunan Sultan Abdul Samad ...
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OK Phang
On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 15:10:45 GMT, deu...@mail.cyberhq.net.my (Maulvi
Bakar) wrote:
>
>Hey, sorry for my mistake earlier.... but, there's only 11 states in
>Persekutuan Tanah Melayu when it achieved Independence on 31st August
>1957... Singapore, Sabah and Sarawak joins Persekutuan Tanah Melayu
>and forms Malaysia on 31st August 1963..
Sorry, one more mistake - not trying to nitpick but because it is of
particular historical interests.
On 31 August 1963, Sarawak and Sabah became independent nations.
Sixteen days later on the 16th of September 1963 , they joined with
the Federation of Malaya and Singapore to form Malaysia.
Cheers,
OK Phang
M.G.G. Pillai
In article <50negn$p...@unix.cyberhq.net.my> mau...@pulse.cyberhq.net.my writes:
>
>Well...
>
>I've been absent in article-posting for quite some time here... It's
>good to be back...
>
>Anybody remembered who is our first Prime Minister?? Of course it is
>the late Tunku Abdul Rahman... And our first Yang di-Pertuan Agong,
>Tuanku Abdul Rahman. Notice the similarities of the names, but mind
>you, one is with an "a" and one is without ;) Anyways, I have this
>soft-spot where history is concerned, esspecially when patriotism is
>concerned. I remembered a story related to me by various senior
>citizens who was there during the Independence Day era... The late
>Sultan Ibrahim of Johor was offered the Yang di-Pertuan Agong's post..
>Due to some reasons, he refused... Come to think of it, if he would
>had accepted, Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman in Kuala Lumpur would have
>been called Jalan Sultan Ibrahim instead.
>
There were two sultans senior to Tuanku Abdul Rahman: Sultan Ibrahim
of Johore, grandfather of the present ruler, and Sultan Abu Bakar of
Pahang, father of the present ruler. Both declined the post, and it
was then offered to Tuanku Abdul Rahman of Negri Sembilan. Sultan
Ibrahim's grandson and Sultan Abu Bakar's son both became Yang Dipertuan
Agung.
>Now, the current Raja Perlis used to be Yang di-Pertuan Agong one time
>ago, I can't remember when, his term back then that is... But, god
>willing for his continuous god health, he could again qualify for a
>second term.
>
Indeed, with Sultan Azlan Shah's term as Yang Dipertuan Agung, the
rulers of all nine states have had their turn as head of state. There
was a suggestion, not seriously taken up, that the list should be
rearranged according to seniority again. Otherwise, it would have been
Rajah of Perlis as Yang Dipertuan Agung. In fact, he is the only ruler
who has lived long enough to be eligible to be Agung after having served
once.
>Let's really talk about what I wanted to talk about... Anyone
>remembered Petronas' Independence Day advertisement on TV?? That is
>one very moving ad. When Tunku came back from London to Malaya with
>the news of our Independence, he deliberately landed at Malacca
>because Malacca was the first state to be
>ruled/colonized/conquered(whatever) by foreign powers... He made the
>announcement there... But the actual announcement with complete
>ceremony was done at Merdeka Stadium (or Stadium of Independence)..
I await to be corrected on this, but I had always assumed it was in
what is now Dataran Merdeka. I was too young, and too faraway, to
have been present, but one details that remains in my mind is the
striking of the clock on the stroke of midnight, and it was the
Secretariat clock that was used. Also, if I am not mistaken, the
Stadium was not completed on 31 August 1957. But if you are looking
for the place where he first announced the date of independence, it
was in Malacca. Should not some concern be given to that place, too?
>On that fateful day, 31st August 1957, with full-house attendance,
>watched by various dignitaries including the British's... We have the
>*official* lowering of the Union Jack of the United Kingdom of Great
>Britain and the *official* raising of our national 13 striped flag (It
>was 13 at that time, Federal Territory doesn't exist yet). And Tunku,
>raising a "Keris" (Malay traditional dagger) and in a loudest voice,
>"Merdeka!", over and over anouncing that we're no longer subject to
>British rule.
>
No, I do not think he raised his keris, only his hands. Unfortunately,
there is no photograph of that in colour. The colour picture of the
event that we see is actually a painting so skilfully done that it
seems real.
>Myself, being a patriot, even after being ridiculed for it (by
>Malaysians too!) will always continue to be a patriot.. Always proud
>of my country, even though a bit ashamed of its management by inept
>politicians.. I always thought, if I were to have any children (I'm
>not even married yet! <g>), I would bring them for a visit to Merdeka
>Stadium to actually show them where our Independence was announced..
>Show them where the the various British officials witnessed the
>lowering of their flag and the raising of our flag. Get them to feel
>the patriotic spirit of the thousands of people who witnessed that
>day.. I'll teach them to be proud of being a Malaysian.
>
You had better get married and have children quickly if you want them
to see Merdeka Stadium. That is slated for demolition in the massive
development planned for the area. But Dataran Merdeka would still be
there, unless someone decides that it is better to have a 100-storey
commercial centre there.
>It has been said that, we don't actually own the world, we're just the
>custodian for our children.. But our children needs to be taught to
>appreciate what we're safe-keeping for them cuz' when when we turn
>over our stewardship to them, they'll be minding it for their
>children, and so on.. I've always said, that it is more effective to
>show them the actual thing rather than just a monument or pictures of
>the thing..
>
But then the Petronas advertisement is just that, with potted history
given a cockeyed version of history. I would suggest you read a good
book of the period instead.
MGG
>Does anybody knows that the most precious place of Historic
>Importance.. The place where the mother of all Historic Event in our
>country's history is about to be demolished to make way for the so
>called development?? YES! I'm talking about the Merdeka Stadium..
>I know it is located in a prime commercial area.. YES, it could bring
>more money when the site is developed. I've talked to a lot of people
>about this, but the answers are almost the same. Are we really that
>blinded by money that it is more important than our national
>heritage?? How about the traffic jams that always occur whenever an
>event were held there.. What of it?? We have other stadiums that are
>located within the vacinity.. Stadium Tun Abdul Razak, Stadium Shah
>Alam and the new one at Bukit Jalil... Move all the events there
>instead.. So, what do we do with a "going-to-be" disused stadium??
>Convert it into a track & field training centre or maybe a Museum.
>Make it a tourist attraction for both locals and foreigners. It'll be
>good patriotically to local tourists...
>
>As I said, it'll be good for our future generation to have the
>stadium... Take an example of the Statue of Liberty in New York,
>what does it represents to the Americans?? Just the word Liberty
>explains all... Our appropriately named Stadium represents exactly
>that. It'll inspire the future generations to remember when Tunku
>Abdul Rahman announce "Merdeka!","Merdeka!","Merdeka!".. It means,
>that we shall never be a subject to any foreign powers. That we are a
>free people of a free country.
>
>
>In life, I may not make things happen, but I always see things happen
>because, I'd rather not ask what happen.
>Ridicule me, or laugh as you like for my "kuno" mentality.
>I shall be a patriot, and always be a patriot..
>
>
M.G.G. Pillai
Maulvi: I checked, and find both the Dataran Merdeka and Merdeka
Stadium were used. The former was where the Union Jack was lowered for
the last time, and the new flag of independent Federation of Malaya
unfurled on the stroke of midnight of 30 August 1957. The Stadium
Merdeka, which was completed in time for the celebration, was where
the formal reading of the proclamation of independence was made by
the Tengku about eight hours later. It was this that is the painting
I mentioned.
>
>>On that fateful day, 31st August 1957, with full-house attendance,
>>watched by various dignitaries including the British's... We have the
>>*official* lowering of the Union Jack of the United Kingdom of Great
>>Britain and the *official* raising of our national 13 striped flag (It
>>was 13 at that time, Federal Territory doesn't exist yet). And Tunku,
>>raising a "Keris" (Malay traditional dagger) and in a loudest voice,
>>"Merdeka!", over and over anouncing that we're no longer subject to
>>British rule.
>>
>
This ceremony took place at what is now Dataran Merdeka, then just the
Padang.