Azizah 'cannot lead Malays' SHE'S CHINESE, SAYS MINISTER
-+fairplay+-
Azizah 'cannot lead Malays'
SHE'S CHINESE, SAYS MINISTER
JOHOR BARU -- Opposition politician Datin Seri Dr Wan Azizah
Wan Ismail cannot lead the Malays as she is Chinese,
Information Minister Datuk Seri Mohamed Rahmat has said.
The secretary-general of the National Front ruling coalition
said that the Parti Keadilan Nasional leader grew up in
Singapore and was sometimes called a cap naga, which the
Malaysian Chinese newspapers said was equivalent to a
Chinese phrase, the "dragon's descendant".
This phrase is sometimes used by ethnic Chinese to describe
their own race.
Datuk Mohamed said that as the opposition leader was an
ethnic Chinese without any Malay trait, this meant that she
had no right to represent or lead the Malay people.
The Information Minister was officiating at a meeting of
Umno members in Tampoi, Johor, on Sunday when he made the
comments casting doubts on the racial origins of the wife of
former Deputy Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim.
"Dr Azizah grew up and received her education in Singapore.
Although without a Malay soul, she is now trying to lead the
Malay people, sowing divisions among them," he was quoted as
saying in Malaysia's Chinese newspapers yesterday. "Is she
trying to be Lee Kuan Yew the Second?".
The minister also stressed that her cap naga origin would
make her an unconvincing choice as the leader of a party
which wants to fight for democracy.
He said that the Keadilan party was not capable of achieving
justice as suggested in the party's name.
Marines
this i true, which may well be the case, then I can safely say that I am
really ashamed that this guy is still in office.
-+fairplay+- wrote:
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>Hoi Tok Mati, what's *your* ancestry? Are you even human?
kalau ghafar baba tak jabba the hut tok mat lah
>mf
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Shiew Man Hon
Yap Yok Foo wrote in message <374d763d...@nntp.jaring.my>...
>From The Singapore ST
>4th April 1999
>
>Azizah 'cannot lead Malays'
>SHE'S CHINESE, SAYS MINISTER
>
>JOHOR BARU -- Opposition politician Datin Seri Dr Wan Azizah Wan
>Ismail cannot lead the Malays as she is Chinese, Information Minister
>Datuk Seri Mohamed Rahmat has said.
>"Dr Azizah grew up and received her education in Singapore. Although
>without a Malay soul, she is now trying to lead the Malay people,
>sowing divisions among them," he was quoted as saying in Malaysia's
>Chinese newspapers yesterday. "Is she trying to be Lee Kuan Yew the
>Second?".
What is the problem ?
After all Rahmat accepted another Indian Dr without Malay trait also
educated
in Singapore to be his leader.
This is a trap. Responding that "I am Malay" may scare off Chinese,
admitting
"I am Chinese" may offend Malays. Race should no longer matter in
new-Malaysia.
I urge Dr Azizah and Adil to remain above this gutter snipe typical
of the under-developed kampong fool who has outlive his use-by-date.
Tok Mat's wife is Chinese, does that make his children any less Malaysian
?
Tok Mat is stupid. Go on, deny it like that "virgin". Repeat "I am not
stupid"
over and over again and see if anyone believe you.
salam...
shiew...
hanglekiu
On Mon, 03 May 1999 22:58:19 -0700 Marines <zza...@scudc.scu.edu>
wrote:
> Hi fairplay where did you get this article? I would like the source. If
> this i true, which may well be the case, then I can safely say that I am
> really ashamed that this guy is still in office.
>
> -+fairplay+- wrote:
>
> > MAY 4 1999
> >
> > Azizah 'cannot lead Malays'
> >
> > SHE'S CHINESE, SAYS MINISTER
> >
> > JOHOR BARU -- Opposition politician Datin Seri Dr Wan Azizah
> > Wan Ismail cannot lead the Malays as she is Chinese,
> > Information Minister Datuk Seri Mohamed Rahmat has said.
> >
> > The secretary-general of the National Front ruling coalition
> > said that the Parti Keadilan Nasional leader grew up in
> > Singapore and was sometimes called a cap naga, which the
> > Malaysian Chinese newspapers said was equivalent to a
> > Chinese phrase, the "dragon's descendant".
> >
> > This phrase is sometimes used by ethnic Chinese to describe
> > their own race.
> >
> > Datuk Mohamed said that as the opposition leader was an
> > ethnic Chinese without any Malay trait, this meant that she
> > had no right to represent or lead the Malay people.
> >
> > The Information Minister was officiating at a meeting of
> > Umno members in Tampoi, Johor, on Sunday when he made the
> > comments casting doubts on the racial origins of the wife of
> > former Deputy Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim.
> >
> > "Dr Azizah grew up and received her education in Singapore.
> > Although without a Malay soul, she is now trying to lead the
> > Malay people, sowing divisions among them," he was quoted as
> > saying in Malaysia's Chinese newspapers yesterday. "Is she
> > trying to be Lee Kuan Yew the Second?".
> >
> > The minister also stressed that her cap naga origin would
> > make her an unconvincing choice as the leader of a party
> > which wants to fight for democracy.
> >
> > He said that the Keadilan party was not capable of achieving
> > justice as suggested in the party's name.
>
> --
> Politically uninvolved but not politically apathetic.
>
>
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Oh no Tok Mat did it again! Displaying his superior propaganda skill!
Making Malaysians proud of their beloved Information Ministry!
>From The Singapore ST
>4th April 1999
>
>Azizah 'cannot lead Malays'
>SHE'S CHINESE, SAYS MINISTER
What talk you dear smart and handsome Tok Mat? Why Chinese cannot lead
Malay ah? Because chinese more stupid? Because chinese more clever? Or
because you are a blxxdy racist after years of being mind-fxxked by
NEP and Umno Encephalitis????
If Chinese cannot lead Malay, Malay also cannot lead Chinese, then
Umno should IMMEDIATELY stop leading 40% of the Malaysian
population!!!
Tok Mat oi Tok Mat. This one is going to backfire. You mean you
couldn't see it coming?
>Datuk Mohamed said that as the opposition leader was an ethnic Chinese
>without any Malay trait, this meant that she had no right to represent
>or lead the Malay people.
Tok Mat oi TokMat. One of your fanatical Umno fans here declared that
Malayness is defined not by gene but by *language*, *culture* and
*religion*, despite Mahathir's infamous Malay's genetic Dilemma theory
which BULLSHITS that in relation to Chineseness, Malayness is defined
by genetic inferiority.
If be-tudung-ed Wan Azizah is still not Malay enough for you, dear
handsome Tok Mat, the semi-Jawi-literate, blind-capitalistic-vision,
Indian-celled Mahathir should resign immediately.
Paham tak, simple fact like that, dear high-IQ Tok Mat?
Now go fire your spin doctor immediately. Or is this your own pathetic
script?
>The Information Minister was officiating at a meeting of Umno members
>in Tampoi, Johor, on Sunday when he made the comments casting doubts
>on the racial origins of the wife of former Deputy Prime Minister
>Anwar Ibrahim.
Dear Chinese Malaysians, see this for yourself :
UMNO IS RACIST - which continues to STIR UP RACIAL ISSUES -
unnecessarily, and *dangerously*.
They play and play with Racist Fire. At who's expense at the end?
How long are people going to allow these unrepentent Umno idiots to
play with racial fires again? WHO is being RACIST???? WHO is fanning
racial fire in this volatile times? Is this good for economy recovery?
Honestly.
>"Dr Azizah grew up and received her education in Singapore. Although
>without a Malay soul, she is now trying to lead the Malay people,
>sowing divisions among them," he was quoted as saying in Malaysia's
>Chinese newspapers yesterday. "Is she trying to be Lee Kuan Yew the
>Second?".
LLOOOOLLLL!!!!! :D
Oh me goddess oh me goddess. Did that handsome fellow really said
that? Alamak. The title of 'Lee Kuan Yew of Malaysia' has long been
taken lah. Didn't you know Tok Mat? Get real and update your general
knowledge Tok MAt or your outdated information may rot in Umno
Encephalitis Hell.
Alamak. Major BOOBOO by Tok Mat. Chinese Malaysian who once felt
sceptical about ADIL due to predictable wariness of her tudung may now
sigh in happy relief at the above Tok Mat pronouncement!!!! Azizah got
Chinese blood lah!!! Aiya. Good loh. Some more educated in Singapore
lah. Maybe she's better than those overweight, big-mouthed but
inefficient Umno elephants Rafidahs and TokMats??? Maybe we should
consider ADIL for the next election? Got Chinese blood better than no
Chinese blood what? Hmmm...maybe we should give Azizah a chance...
Haha. I love backfire.
Thanks to Tok Mat, Wan Azizah will never be the same again in the eyes
of Chinese Malaysians.
Thanks to Tok Mat's genius racist outbursts, Malays may even start
thinking about the possibilities of cross-cultural marriages and how
NEP is only holding them in divisive chains to be manipulated by Umno
fools.
Malaysia *IS* really A RACIAL MELTING POT - despite the divisive lies
lies lies those hypocrites and bigots and racist of Umno Uglies.
Stop dividing people you Umno FOOLS.
STOP PLAYING WITH RACIST SENTIMENT YOU UMNO UGLIES.
You blind greedy Umno fools have started enough massive social
disasters in this last 16 months!!!! Will you just shut up if you have
nothing constructive to say? Is preserving your stinking thrones and
protecting your personal bank accounts more important than the racial
peace of this country?????
>The minister also stressed that her cap naga origin would make her an
>unconvincing choice as the leader of a party which wants to fight for
>democracy.
Oi Dear Tok Mat genius, if you really subscribe to Mahathir's Malay
Dilemma theory - which says that Malays' gene are inferior because of
inbreeding, then you should encourage inter-racial marriages and
INTER-RACIAL POLITICAL LEADERSHIP.
You should stop harping on about RACE RACE RACE, MALAY CANNOT LEAD
CHINESE LAH CHINESE CANNOT LEAD MALAY LAH because people are smart to
tell that you words are all PROPAGANDA BULLSHIT.
Paham tak? Malaysians memang Cinta IT - unlike you Tok Mat, they use
IT wisely to become informed, now they're all smarter than you Tok
Mat!
Oh, Tok Mat, is it true that your wife also Chinese ah? How about your
pal Sabaruddin's Imbi karaoke girlfriends? Also Chinese right? Why you
Umno minister marry Chinese ah? Why aren't you loyal to your Malay
tribe ah? Or are you jealous of Anwar because Anwar's Chinese wife is
FAR SMARTER than your Chinese wife? :)
Maybe Tok Mat should RESIGN IMMEDIATELY as a leader of the Malay
people?
Think about it, Umno Divide-and-Rule agents, before you guys spit
racist crap next time?
Become extinct, Tok Mat, Quick. We won't miss your sad comedy in your
dead stinking pool of Umno Controlled Media.
..DiVaDoo..
** Reality is
that which doesn't go away
when you change your mind ****
~ Phillip K. Dick ~
Ah Beng
>Many people are surprised to find out that Mahathir is a racist!
not a sodomist meh?!
*m*f*
<usa...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>MAY 4 1999
>
>Azizah 'cannot lead Malays'
>
>SHE'S CHINESE, SAYS MINISTER
Hoi Tok Mati, what's *your* ancestry? Are you even human?
mf
David Teoh
Pseudonymless wrote in message <3737a1e2...@nntp.jaring.my>...
>On Tue, 4 May 1999 13:48:27 +0800, "Shiew Man Hon" <sh...@pc.jaring.my>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> This is a trap. Responding that "I am Malay" may scare off Chinese,
>>admitting
>> "I am Chinese" may offend Malays. Race should no longer matter in
>> new-Malaysia.
>
>
>Here are a few responses she may make:
>
>"Justice does not differentiate between ethnic groups."
>"Tok Mat is a fool. Doesn't matter whether he is Malay or Chinese."
>"Tok Mat's statements cannot be taken seriously. He is a joke."
>
>
OK Phang
wrote:
>On Tue, 04 May 1999 04:24:12 GMT, yf...@pop.jaring.my (Yap Yok Foo) wrote:
>>JOHOR BARU -- Opposition politician Datin Seri Dr Wan Azizah Wan
>>Ismail cannot lead the Malays as she is Chinese, Information Minister
>>Datuk Seri Mohamed Rahmat has said.
>ROTFLOLPIP!!!
>what will he say next?!
That he was totally and completely misquoted by the wicked press?
That he had a brief moment of insanity?
That he had been such an idiot?
Sigh....
Cheers,
OK Phang
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
* OK Phang * E-mail: ph...@pop.jaring.my *
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Shiew Man Hon
>On Tue, 04 May 1999 04:24:12 GMT, yf...@pop.jaring.my (Yap Yok Foo) wrote:
>>
>>JOHOR BARU -- Opposition politician Datin Seri Dr Wan Azizah Wan
>>Ismail cannot lead the Malays as she is Chinese, Information Minister
>>Datuk Seri Mohamed Rahmat has said.
>
>ROTFLOLPIP!!!
>
>what will he say next?!
Hows this:
"I should be the next Prime Minister, because I am not stupid"
"I am not stupid" , " I am not stupid", " I am not stupid ".
salam...
shiew...
OK Phang
wrote:
>Here are a few responses she may make:
>
>"Justice does not differentiate between ethnic groups."
>"Tok Mat is a fool. Doesn't matter whether he is Malay or Chinese."
>"Tok Mat's statements cannot be taken seriously. He is a joke."
"What do you all think of such statements?"
I bet she can get a ear-splitting raspberry as a present for the
idiot!!!
Ken!!!
On Mon, 03 May 1999 22:58:19 -0700, Marines <zza...@scudc.scu.edu>
wrote:
>Hi fairplay where did you get this article? I would like the source. If
>this i true, which may well be the case, then I can safely say that I am
>really ashamed that this guy is still in office.
>
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delete SPAMMERSDIE for correspondence
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Ken!!!
you would be as bad, but you're dumber than they are... and that takes
effort...
On Tue, 04 May 1999 08:54:04 GMT, "hanglekiu" <hang...@tm.net.my>
wrote:
>I've told you that she is a throw away kek.
>
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bad boy
Yap Yok Foo wrote in message <374d763d...@nntp.jaring.my>...
>Azizah 'cannot lead Malays'
>SHE'S CHINESE, she cannot lead the Malays , said, Information Minister
> Mohd Rahmat.
>
If such statement was from an illiterate farmer, it is understandable:
it reflects his station in life, his upbringing, his bigotry. Coming from
the Information Minister, this is inexcusable. The PM is having such
low calibre scum as his Minister, it is a sure sign that his cabinet is
in serious trouble. If the PM do not get rid of him soon, he will lose a
large chunk of votes in the coming election. The end of BN is near
if he is not careful.
The founding father of Malaysia, The great Tungku had Siamese
blood and the PM himself has non Malay blood. It is not in the
constitution that only pure blood Malay can be PM. His racialist
statement is pure bigotry. It is inflammatory in a multi society.
Wan Azizah is the ideal leader in multi racial society of Malaysia.
She married a Malay. Her marriage symbolizes the union of the
two major races of Malaysia. A strong point in her favour.
She is a Muslim convert. A good Muslim who practise the teachings
of Islam. A party leader who is religious and god fearing is better
than many politicians who sold their souls to the devils. Another point
in her favour.
Through out her ordeal, she has shown that she is good mother
and a devoted wife, examples of good Asian values. A leader
who has the right values in her innate character, will naturally has
the interests of her people at heart. Such people will treat all her
citizens like her own children. A good quality for a leader.
She is trained as a doctor. An education that train her to think and
act carefully because it is her duty to save life. Like the PM, she is
trained to think logically and act scientifically. Another character
trait that make good leaders.
Wan Azizah has the right character and qualities to be the PM of
Malaysia.
hanglekiu
wrote:
>
> Tok Mat oi TokMat. One of your fanatical Umno fans here declared that
> Malayness is defined not by gene but by *language*, *culture* and
> *religion*, despite Mahathir's infamous Malay's genetic Dilemma theory
> which BULLSHITS that in relation to Chineseness, Malayness is defined
> by genetic inferiority.
You must be refering to me right. he he he.
In the case of Wan Azizah she got the *religion* and *language*.
I think she have some problem with Malay *culture*.
1. She speak Bahasa Baku. This is a stupid artificial Jawa
dialect detrimental to Malay culture.
2. She very arogant at home. Typical of "lupa daratan" culture.
3. She is not circumcision (bersunat). Check it out. he he he.
4. She let Anwar sodomize her. Never in Malay culture we allow sodomy.
5. She make friend with a womanizer Estrada, who has a lot of "anak
haram".
6. She eat "haram" money through Anwar crony and corruption.
7. She work for "Dajjal". One of the many women "Dajjal" agent.
She is not a Malay under my definition.
Tok Mat and Mahathir is a true Malay.
Yap Yok Foo
wrote:
>I heard that one of the PM's grandchildren has non-Malay blood running in
>his veins.
I was once on a foreign trip with one of the Arab Malaysian brothers
According to that brother, their grandmother was a Japanese
So Azman Hassim, Azlan Hassim, Azlain Hassim, etc are all having
non-Malay blood running thro their veins
(no wonder they are so smart !!! 2 lawyers, 2 chartered accountants
etc)
Yap Yok Foo
>Hoi Tok Mati, what's *your* ancestry? Are you even human?
Aiyaya, you of little knowledge
Tok Mat used to be the clown of Chinese Recreation Club
(near Pudu Raya lah)
He would go to the padang and drink his whiskey
(I challenge you to sue me for RM 100m)
Wa-lan-eh
(Ken!!!) wrote:
>which makes you about as bad as Dr.M and the KKK...
>
>you would be as bad, but you're dumber than they are... and that takes
>effort...
>
>
And when people call them SHIT ,they still dare to be angry.
Look at what those shitholes fart out
- CIA infiltrating Dumbno
-Chinese not qualified to be leader though mamak can rules for
lifetime
-Mamak team bersih,cekap dan amanah while Anwar cronies.
- Mamak the renaisance man but Anwar the foreign agent.
etc, etc...
Whenever I see TV programmes ,I get the impression of
shit and shithead farting.
Dinesh Nair
> Datuk Mohamed said that as the opposition leader was an ethnic Chinese
> without any Malay trait, this meant that she had no right to represent
> or lead the Malay people.
is this then the same government which claims that it stands for racial
unity ? is this the same government which claims that opposition uses
racial issues in campaigning ? is this the same information minister
who's supposed to be spreading information about bangsa _malaysia_ ?
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they might have miss one.... 8-)
Regards,
LOUD
Ubikayu
wrote:
>He is part of the "barisan taik", what do you expect ?
>
As someone rightly said or written - "shit" :-)
Just couldn't believe what I read !
--
UbiKayu
Fearless
That one maybe reserved for reproduction purpose... baka teragung. :)
SLASMANA
one who should be beaten and canned under the ISA.
Faruq Nelson
> From The Singapore ST
> 4th April 1999
>
> Azizah 'cannot lead Malays'
> SHE'S CHINESE, SAYS MINISTER
This only goes to show just how desperate UMNO has become. With all the
legitimate doubts that one could raise about Wan Azizah's leadership
abilities, this is the best they can come up with. What really amazes me,
though, is that the Chinese-based parties in BN have so little dignity
left that they can still sit meekly by while their own secretary-general
spouts this racist crap.
--
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University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Department of Philosophy
fa...@uiuc.edu
Faruq Nelson
<din...@alphaque.com> wrote:
> in which case, the information minister - as the supposed mouthpiece of
> the country - is not practising what he or his boss preaches.
According to Mahathir, Anwar had to be sacked as Finance Minister because
he was "obviously" incompetent at running the economy. So, what's keeping
Mohamad Rahmat at his post all these years?
Faruq Nelson
<b...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
> Wan Azizah is the ideal leader in multi racial society of Malaysia.
> She married a Malay. Her marriage symbolizes the union of the two major
> races of Malaysia.... She is a Muslim convert. A good Muslim....
> Through out her ordeal, she has shown that she is good mother and a
> devoted wife, examples of good Asian values.
Yes, I agree. But...
> Such people will treat all her
> citizens like her own children. A good quality for a leader.
Here I think you need to rethink your position. Malaysia needs leaders who
will treat all citizens as free and equal *adults*. Mahathir is a prime
example of a leader who treats citizens like children-- too stupid or
immature to make informed, intelligent decisions about the conduct of
their own lives, much less the life of their nation.
-+fairplay+-
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/
Singapore's newspaper..
Marines wrote:
>
> Hi fairplay where did you get this article? I would like the source. If
> this i true, which may well be the case, then I can safely say that I am
> really ashamed that this guy is still in office.
>
> -+fairplay+- wrote:
>
> > MAY 4 1999
> >
> > Azizah 'cannot lead Malays'
> >
> > SHE'S CHINESE, SAYS MINISTER
> >
> > JOHOR BARU -- Opposition politician Datin Seri Dr Wan Azizah
> > Wan Ismail cannot lead the Malays as she is Chinese,
> > Information Minister Datuk Seri Mohamed Rahmat has said.
> >
> > The secretary-general of the National Front ruling coalition
> > said that the Parti Keadilan Nasional leader grew up in
> > Singapore and was sometimes called a cap naga, which the
> > Malaysian Chinese newspapers said was equivalent to a
> > Chinese phrase, the "dragon's descendant".
> >
> > This phrase is sometimes used by ethnic Chinese to describe
> > their own race.
> >
> > Datuk Mohamed said that as the opposition leader was an
> > ethnic Chinese without any Malay trait, this meant that she
> > had no right to represent or lead the Malay people.
> >
> > The Information Minister was officiating at a meeting of
> > Umno members in Tampoi, Johor, on Sunday when he made the
> > comments casting doubts on the racial origins of the wife of
> > former Deputy Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim.
> >
> > "Dr Azizah grew up and received her education in Singapore.
> > Although without a Malay soul, she is now trying to lead the
> > Malay people, sowing divisions among them," he was quoted as
> > saying in Malaysia's Chinese newspapers yesterday. "Is she
> > trying to be Lee Kuan Yew the Second?".
> >
> > The minister also stressed that her cap naga origin would
> > make her an unconvincing choice as the leader of a party
> > which wants to fight for democracy.
> >
-+fairplay+-
Pseudonymless wrote:
>
> On Tue, 4 May 1999 13:48:27 +0800, "Shiew Man Hon" <sh...@pc.jaring.my>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Tok Mat's wife is Chinese, does that make his children any less Malaysian
> >?
>
> I heard that one of the PM's grandchildren has non-Malay blood running in
> his veins.
> I wonder if Marina will agree if such a child is unsuitable to be a
> leader...
>
> For that matter:
> Dr. M also has Indian blood, iianm.
> Tun Hussein had Turkish blood, iianm.
> Tunku Abdul Rahman had Siamese blood, iianm.
-+fairplay+-
Drinking whiskey..
What a bad moslem.. naughty, naughty..
Fox Mulder
Shiew Man Hon
>The Singapore ST wrote:
>> Datuk Mohamed said that as the opposition leader was an ethnic Chinese
>> without any Malay trait, this meant that she had no right to represent
>> or lead the Malay people.
>
>is this then the same government which claims that it stands for racial
>unity ?
Yes it is.
>is this the same government which claims that opposition uses
>racial issues in campaigning ?
Yes it is.
>is this the same information minister
>who's supposed to be spreading information about bangsa _malaysia_ ?
Yes it is. The same stupid one.
The one with nostrils bigger than his brain ! :-P
salam...
shiew...
mn
Shiew Man Hon <sh...@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
news:7gn6mn$66k$1...@news5.jaring.my...
...
> Yes it is. The same stupid one.
> The one with nostrils bigger than his brain ! :-P
what about his 'lobang keramat'? :-)
- mn
Dinesh Nair
> Yes it is.
[..snipped..]
> Yes it is.
[,,snipped..]
> Yes it is. The same stupid one.
in which case, the information minister - as the supposed mouthpiece of
the country - is not practising what he or his boss preaches. how then
can they claim to stand for a bangsa malaysia and a harmonious
multiracial society if he keeps harping on issues like this ? the
government - as evident from what it's mouthpiece says - only pays lip
service to interracial coherence.
Mohamed Noor
farmer
Yap Yok Foo wrote:
> From The Singapore ST
> 4th April 1999
>
> Azizah 'cannot lead Malays'
> SHE'S CHINESE, SAYS MINISTER
>
> JOHOR BARU -- Opposition politician Datin Seri Dr Wan Azizah Wan
> Ismail cannot lead the Malays as she is Chinese, Information Minister
> Datuk Seri Mohamed Rahmat has said.
>
> The secretary-general of the National Front ruling coalition said that
> the Parti Keadilan Nasional leader grew up in Singapore and was
> sometimes called a cap naga, which the Malaysian Chinese newspapers
> said was equivalent to a Chinese phrase, the "dragon's descendant".
>
> This phrase is sometimes used by ethnic Chinese to describe their own
> race.
>
> Datuk Mohamed said that as the opposition leader was an ethnic Chinese
> without any Malay trait, this meant that she had no right to represent
> or lead the Malay people.
>
> The Information Minister was officiating at a meeting of Umno members
> in Tampoi, Johor, on Sunday when he made the comments casting doubts
> on the racial origins of the wife of former Deputy Prime Minister
> Anwar Ibrahim.
>
> "Dr Azizah grew up and received her education in Singapore. Although
> without a Malay soul, she is now trying to lead the Malay people,
> sowing divisions among them," he was quoted as saying in Malaysia's
> Chinese newspapers yesterday. "Is she trying to be Lee Kuan Yew the
> Second?".
>
> The minister also stressed that her cap naga origin would make her an
> unconvincing choice as the leader of a party which wants to fight for
> democracy.
>
> He said that the Keadilan party was not capable of achieving justice
> as suggested in the party's name.
> http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/
>
> **************From Uncle Yap**************
> The Malaysian News & Discussion Group
> =====================================
fhlee
mn wrote:
>
> Shiew Man Hon <sh...@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
> news:7gn6mn$66k$1...@news5.jaring.my...
> ...
> > Yes it is. The same stupid one.
Tahun Maj
the CIA and American spies trying to topple the government.
Pointing fingers at other people is not the right way to solve problems.
It intrigues me how come they didn't bring foreign influences into other
"shady" deals in their past.
BTW, has anyone read the stuff on the "Free Malaysia" website? How much
of it is true? Is all the corruption stuff there for real? It's very
"X-Files" interesting stuff but it pains me to read it since if even
only 30% of it were true this would still mean that the level of
corruption in our country is far worst than I ever could have imagined.
> > Azizah 'cannot lead Malays'
> > SHE'S CHINESE, SAYS MINISTER
>
gy633tft
wrote:
> Shiew Man Hon wrote:
> > Yes it is.
> [..snipped..]
> > Yes it is.
> [,,snipped..]
>
> the country - is not practising what he or his boss preaches.
even the boss doesn't practise what he preaches - remember one is
innocent until proven guilty?
> government - as evident from what it's mouthpiece says - only pays lip
> service to interracial coherence.
>
we all know that. That's why we need a change. Reform!!
gazak
wrote:
> Oh, Tok Mat, is it true that your wife also Chinese ah? How about
> your pal Sabaruddin's Imbi karaoke girlfriends? Also Chinese right?
> Why you Umno minister marry Chinese ah? Why aren't you loyal to your
> Malay tribe ah? Or are you jealous of Anwar because Anwar's Chinese
> wife is FAR SMARTER than your Chinese wife? :)
Tok Mat's wife is indeed Chinese. Tok Mat's eldest son (Mohd Jazman)
and I studied at the same university in England. Tok Mat and wife met
the Dean of the Law School personally to ensure that his son got a
place at the university. We (members of the M'sian Students' Assn.) had
to welcome them.
Jazman, like his father, is also a blabber-mouth and was disliked by
practically every M'sian student at the univeristy (except for those
that were trying to suck up to him and his father!!!). Before the final
exams, Jazman was boasting about doing well in the exams and going on
to do the English Bar exams. Well, guess what happened??? He only got a
3rd Class degree and one needs at least 2nd Class Lower to qualify to
sit for the Bar exams. So he came back and didn't even sit for the
local CLP exams. It's highly unlikely that he would have passed the Bar
or CLP exams anyway.
Incidentally, one of Samy Vellu's and Tok Mat's cronies (Chandrashekar
of the TV2's Nada Suara and India's multibillion power project fame)
was also at the same university and of course, he was always kissing up
to Jazman and his dad. Tok Mat even attended his wedding dinner a few
months back at the Concorde hotel. Too bad Samy Vellu couldn't make it,
he had other commitments.
Nasaruddin (Anwar's crony?) was also at our university at that time.
The rumour was that he was taking a political sabbatical. Can't
remember what it was all about though.
> Maybe Tok Mat should RESIGN IMMEDIATELY as a leader of the Malay
> people?
The Chinese have a lovely nickname for him... Pig-headed Ah Beng!!! He
should be thrown back into the political wilderness.
> Think about it, Umno Divide-and-Rule agents, before you guys spit
> racist crap next time?
As long as UMNO, MCA and MIC exist, we will never have a non-racial
Bangsa Malaysia.
hanglekiu
Try the mamak DNA next time.
On Wed, 05 May 1999 03:52:42 GMT "gazak" <ga...@malaysian.race.com.my>
wrote:
OK Phang
wrote:
>Must be the longest moment in the history of Malaysian politics!
Aiyo - for his type of sloth-like thought process .. his life time is
still just a brief moment of insanity for the rest of us!!!
Cheers,
OK Phang
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
* OK Phang * E-mail: ph...@pop.jaring.my *
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
piper
<usa...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>MAY 4 1999
>
>Azizah 'cannot lead Malays'
>
>SHE'S CHINESE, SAYS MINISTER
>
>JOHOR BARU -- Opposition politician Datin Seri Dr Wan Azizah
>Wan Ismail cannot lead the Malays as she is Chinese,
>Information Minister Datuk Seri Mohamed Rahmat has said.
[snip]
Dr. Mahathir cannot lead the country as he's a Mamak, Datuk Tan Seri
Tahi Berlendir responded. What a fuckin' joke!
Michael
To reply by email, please eliminate "NOSPAM" from my address. Personal messages only! If you send a commercial solicitation, I will boycott the product.
Shiew Man Hon
<7gn8mv$ahl$1...@news6.jaring.my>...
>...
>> Yes it is. The same stupid one.
>...
>
>what about his 'lobang keramat'? :-)
What about it ? Does he have one ?
If he has, all that shit would be going through properly instead
of spouting out from his mouth !!
salam...
shiew...
Yap Yok Foo
5th April 1999
Comparison to SM uncalled for
I REFER to the article "Azizah 'cannot lead Malays' " (ST, May 4).
It is rather disturbing to have Malaysia's Datin Seri Dr Wan Azizah
Wan Ismail likened to Singapore's Senior Minister, Mr Lee Kuan Yew.
I would consider such an unnecessary citation as serving to fulfil
(selfishly, if I may add) Malaysia's political agenda.
But really, has Malaysia's Information Minister, Datuk Mohamed Rahmat,
run out of other personalities (Malaysians in particular) for his
analogy that he has to "iconise" our Senior Minister?
I wonder what it is that Singapore has done wrong this time to deserve
this.
I have lived through Singapore's racial riots, confrontasi and our
Independence, but I fail to note that "sowing divisions among the
Malay people" was or has been a part of our Senior Minister's or
anybody's political strategy here.
Maybe the minister would like to clarify this.
In the meantime, let me clarify that Singapore was, is and will be led
by Singaporeans, regardless of whether he or she is a cap naga or "cap
thosai" or "cap ketupat".
Preoccupation with leadership based on ethnic orientation and not
personal merit runs against the democratic spirit.
If the minister's argument is at all valid, I fail to see how Mr
Alberto Fujimori (of Japanese origin) became President of Peru, and
how Italian-born Sonia Gandhi has been accepted as leader of India's
Congress Party.
It would be wise if the minister choose another platform for his
political innuendo.
How about a legitimate one: "Malaysia is for Malaysians", as even if
one is purely Malay-spirited but subscribes to un-Islamic ideals, it
will mean only being a hypocrite that may lend oneself to being an
apostate (Heaven forbid).
MUTAZA SARBINI
Mat J Salleh
Mahathir is Malay/Indian
Mohamed Rahmat is a complete moron.
Let's face it, Tok Mat is as mad as a meat axe.
This stupidity about Wan Azizah being "Chinese" is totally crazy. And this guy
is a Minister in Mahathir's government, a deputy in UMNO and, of all things,
the Information Minister. What a joke the Minister and his Ministry is if this
is the quality of information that they produce.
And this is the idiot who is always slagging off about making sure the people
get the right information and are not confused by what the read or hear in the
media. My god!
Just when you think it may be safe to assume that Mohamed Rahmat has been
recalled to the laboratory for a brain implant, he shoots his mouth off again
and causes everyone with an IQ of more than 10 in Malaysia to cringe in
embarassment.
--
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kru...@my-dejanews.com
No wonder you don't find the love for UMNO that comes naturally
to most Malays!!
Now if a Chinese lead a Malay would Azizah start a speak Mandarin Campaign?
In article <G_LX2.3754$vY2....@c01read01.service.talkway.com>,
"gy633tft" <itch...@garu.kom> wrote:
> On Wed, 05 May 1999 01:13:01 +0800 Dinesh Nair <din...@alphaque.com>
> wrote:
> > Shiew Man Hon wrote:
> > > Yes it is.
> > [..snipped..]
> > > Yes it is.
> > [,,snipped..]
> > > Yes it is. The same stupid one.
> >
> > in which case, the information minister - as the supposed mouthpiece of
> > the country - is not practising what he or his boss preaches.
>
> even the boss doesn't practise what he preaches - remember one is
> innocent until proven guilty?
>
> > government - as evident from what it's mouthpiece says - only pays lip
> > service to interracial coherence.
> >
>
> we all know that. That's why we need a change. Reform!!
> --
> Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com
> Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm).
>
>
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kru...@my-dejanews.com
No wonder you don't find the love for UMNO that comes naturally
to most Malays!!
Now if a Chinese lead a Malay would Azizah start a speak Mandarin Campaign?
In article <G_LX2.3754$vY2....@c01read01.service.talkway.com>,
"gy633tft" <itch...@garu.kom> wrote:
> On Wed, 05 May 1999 01:13:01 +0800 Dinesh Nair <din...@alphaque.com>
> wrote:
> > Shiew Man Hon wrote:
> > > Yes it is.
> > [..snipped..]
> > > Yes it is.
> > [,,snipped..]
> > > Yes it is. The same stupid one.
> >
> > in which case, the information minister - as the supposed mouthpiece of
> > the country - is not practising what he or his boss preaches.
>
> even the boss doesn't practise what he preaches - remember one is
> innocent until proven guilty?
>
> > government - as evident from what it's mouthpiece says - only pays lip
> > service to interracial coherence
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kru...@my-dejanews.com
Malays!!!
In article <7gp0ub$1m8$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
Mat J Salleh <matjs...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> Wan Azizah is Malay.
> Mahathir is Malay/Indian
> Mohamed Rahmat is a complete moron.
>
> Let's face it, Tok Mat is as mad as a meat axe.
>
> This stupidity about Wan Azizah being "Chinese" is totally crazy. And this guy
> is a Minister in Mahathir's government, a deputy in UMNO and, of all things,
> the Information Minister. What a joke the Minister and his Ministry is if this
> is the quality of information that they produce.
>
> And this is the idiot who is always slagging off about making sure the people
> get the right information and are not confused by what the read or hear in the
> media. My god!
>
> Just when you think it may be safe to assume that Mohamed Rahmat has been
> recalled to the laboratory for a brain implant, he shoots his mouth off again
> and causes everyone with an IQ of more than 10 in Malaysia to cringe in
> embarassment.
>
> --
> The White Man
>
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> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
>
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kru...@my-dejanews.com
Malays!!!
In article <7gp0ub$1m8$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
Mat J Salleh <matjs...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> Wan Azizah is Malay.
> Mahathir is Malay/Indian
> Mohamed Rahmat is a complete moron.
>
> Let's face it, Tok Mat is as mad as a meat axe.
>
> This stupidity about Wan Azizah being "Chinese" is totally crazy. And this guy
> is a Minister in Mahathir's government, a deputy in UMNO and, of all things,
> the Information Minister. What a joke the Minister and his Ministry is if this
> is the quality of information that they produce.
>
> And this is the idiot who is always slagging off about making sure the people
> get the right information and are not confused by what the read or hear in the
> media. My god!
>
> Just when you think it may be safe to assume that Mohamed Rahmat has been
> recalled to the laboratory for a brain implant, he shoots
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Alam Faizli
>In article <372F2A9D...@alphaque.com>, Dinesh Nair
><din...@alphaque.com> wrote:
>
>> in which case, the information minister - as the supposed mouthpiece of
>> the country - is not practising what he or his boss preaches.
>
>According to Mahathir, Anwar had to be sacked as Finance Minister because
>he was "obviously" incompetent at running the economy. So, what's keeping
>Mohamad Rahmat at his post all these years?
Not so sure about the allegations of sexual misconduct anymore? I
remember clearly Mahathir saying that Anwar was sacked for those
reasons and those reasons alone.
---
Visit Warisan:
http://www.warisan.org
Alam Faizli
>In article <374d763d...@nntp.jaring.my>, yf...@pop.jaring.my wrote:
>
>> From The Singapore ST
>> 4th April 1999
>>
>> Azizah 'cannot lead Malays'
>> SHE'S CHINESE, SAYS MINISTER
>
>This only goes to show just how desperate UMNO has become. With all the
>legitimate doubts that one could raise about Wan Azizah's leadership
>abilities, this is the best they can come up with. What really amazes me,
>though, is that the Chinese-based parties in BN have so little dignity
>left that they can still sit meekly by while their own secretary-general
>spouts this racist crap.
Isn't there an understanding amongst the BN component parties that
they can be as racist as they want to be, but only in front of their
own constituency? Thus when in front of Malays only, UMNO will show
itself as ultranationalists ever willing to champion the Malay cause.
The same goes for MCA, MIC, etc.
Taken in this light, we can understand why Mohd Rahmat said the things
he said. They were meant for the consumption of Malays only.
hanglekiu
Try to find her parent in Singapore.
Get a DNA profile.
On Wed, 05 May 1999 08:53:32 GMT Mat J Salleh
<matjs...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> Wan Azizah is Malay.
> Mahathir is Malay/Indian
> Mohamed Rahmat is a complete moron.
>
> Let's face it, Tok Mat is as mad as a meat axe.
>
> This stupidity about Wan Azizah being "Chinese" is totally crazy. And this guy
> is a Minister in Mahathir's government, a deputy in UMNO and, of all things,
> the Information Minister. What a joke the Minister and his Ministry is if this
> is the quality of information that they produce.
>
> And this is the idiot who is always slagging off about making sure the people
> get the right information and are not confused by what the read or hear in the
> media. My god!
>
> Just when you think it may be safe to assume that Mohamed Rahmat has been
> recalled to the laboratory for a brain implant, he shoots his mouth off again
> and causes everyone with an IQ of more than 10 in Malaysia to cringe in
> embarassment.
>
>
> --
> The White Man
>
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Faruq Nelson
(Alam Faizli) wrote:
> fa...@uiuc.edu (Faruq Nelson) wrote:
>
> >What really amazes me,
> >though, is that the Chinese-based parties in BN have so little dignity
> >left that they can still sit meekly by while their own secretary-general
> >spouts this racist crap.
>
> Isn't there an understanding amongst the BN component parties that
> they can be as racist as they want to be, but only in front of their
> own constituency?
Yes, that is well known. Still, you would think that the ability of
Chinese Malaysians in BN to stomach this garbage would have *some* limit.
Apparently it doesn't. Just as you would think that by now there would no
longer be an audience among the Malay community for this garbage, but
obviously there still is.
--
Faruq abd ul-Rafi (R. A. Nelson)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Department of Philosophy
fa...@uiuc.edu
Fearless
wrote:
>Its true.
>Try to find her parent in Singapore.
>Get a DNA profile.
So what ? Your own PM is a mamak !
Seems you need go to Kampong Pelanduk to match your DNA profile before
send your posting here again.. cheers.
Dinesh Nair
> Taken in this light, we can understand why Mohd Rahmat said the things
> he said. They were meant for the consumption of Malays only.
would that mean that he speaks with a forked tongue, saying one thing to
his constituents and another to the _multiracial_ public ?
Zorro
Win-win: For Dr. M, Ling ' The Potatoes' and Samy Bulu.
In Barisan Nasional: They practice a democratic system that called PSEUDO-DEMOCRATIC.
So, to U fellow Chinese in Malaysia, do not dream to become Prime Minister. And also
those Sabahan, remember when Jeffry Katingan challenge Dr. M wheather Sabahan can
become Prime Minister, Dr. M said as long as the person is Malaysian, he/she can
become the Prime Minister.
Now, the so-call international Information Minister making that kind of statement is
the question of mentality or I.Q.?
Akbal Singh
tms
Well, it has finally come down to this. I am surprise that a man of his
stature has to resort to such tactics to further his cause.
I wonder if anyone out there can help me with answers to my queries.
1. Name me one Prime Minister of Malaysia that is direct Malay decendency,
including the present one. If I were to follow Rahmat's statement, none of
them qualify.
2. What is the definition of a bumiputra? What I know by that definition is
someone who is born in that country, raised and lives there all his life.
3. If Azizah cannot be leader of Malays because she has her education in
Singapore, then Hussein Onn also cannot be Prime Minister because he was
educated in Singapore.
I think there is a general consensus among some faction in Malaysia that
Malays must be led by Malays even it means their doomsday. Please say that I
am wrong in making this statement.
Yap Yok Foo
>3. If Azizah cannot be leader of Malays because she has her education in
>Singapore, then Hussein Onn also cannot be Prime Minister because he was
>educated in Singapore.
Dr Mahathir also qualified as a physician in Singapore.
Tengku Abdul Rahman, our first Premier was at Cambridge
Tun Razak & Tun Dr Ismail were also educated in UK
Tun Ghabar Baba was not educated
Of the present cabinet, I think only Najib was educated in UK
The rest were mostly from Pantai Valley
hanglekiu
>
> Well, it has finally come down to this. I am surprise that a man of his
> stature has to resort to such tactics to further his cause.
>
> I wonder if anyone out there can help me with answers to my queries.
>
> 1. Name me one Prime Minister of Malaysia that is direct Malay decendency,
> including the present one. If I were to follow Rahmat's statement, none of
> them qualify.
All of them are Malays you asshole. DNA has nothing to do with it.
>
> 2. What is the definition of a bumiputra? What I know by that definition is
> someone who is born in that country, raised and lives there all his life.
Go look it up in the constitution you ignoramous. Your understanding is
wrong.
>
> 3. If Azizah cannot be leader of Malays because she has her education in
> Singapore, then Hussein Onn also cannot be Prime Minister because he was
> educated in Singapore.
Azizah cannot be a leader of Malay because she does not believe in Malay
culture. Thats make he non-Malay. I don't care where she is educated.
>
> I think there is a general consensus among some faction in Malaysia that
> Malays must be led by Malays even it means their doomsday. Please say that I
> am wrong in making this statement.
>
Of course Malay must be lead by Malays. We have had bad experience in
Singapore and
Indonesia where we trusted non-Malays to lead us.
hanglekiu
wrote:
> On Thu, 6 May 1999 13:00:15 +0800, "tms" <t...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
> >3. If Azizah cannot be leader of Malays because she has her education in
> >Singapore, then Hussein Onn also cannot be Prime Minister because he was
> >educated in Singapore.
>
> Tengku Abdul Rahman, our first Premier was at Cambridge
> Tun Razak & Tun Dr Ismail were also educated in UK
> Tun Ghabar Baba was not educated
>
> Of the present cabinet, I think only Najib was educated in UK
> The rest were mostly from Pantai Valley
>
It is very advantages for Malaysian Prime Minister to be educated
outside the country.
Its very ovious. You can look at your country in better pespective from
outside.
bad boy
tms wrote in message <7gr7p6$hsf$1...@nobel2.pacific.net.sg>...
>
>I think there is a general consensus among some faction in Malaysia that
>Malays must be led by Malays even it means their doomsday
Yes, there is this racialist concept among Malay political parties.
PAS and UMNO have this concept that only Malay can lead their
parties. This may be unpalatable to others, but it is not illegal. I am
not saying this is right. In practice, non bumi have been the leaders
of UMNO.
The Information Minister assumes that only Malay can be PM. He
is wrong. It is a fatal mistake. His party will lose votes because of
his statement. This racialist scum will be downfall of his party.
Wan Azizah' party is multi-racial. Its leader need not be a bumi.
Marines
bad boy wrote:
> tms wrote in message <7gr7p6$hsf$1...@nobel2.pacific.net.sg>...
> >
> >I think there is a general consensus among some faction in Malaysia that
> >Malays must be led by Malays even it means their doomsday
>
> Yes, there is this racialist concept among Malay political parties.
> PAS and UMNO have this concept that only Malay can lead their
> parties. This may be unpalatable to others, but it is not illegal. I am
> not saying this is right. In practice, non bumi have been the leaders
> of UMNO.
That's inaccurate. Nik Aziz said a chinese can lead if he is muslim. If you
look at Nik Aziz do you think he is 100% malay too? I don't think so. Maybe
so thai blood.
Alam Faizli
>Alam Faizli wrote:
>> Taken in this light, we can understand why Mohd Rahmat said the things
>> he said. They were meant for the consumption of Malays only.
>
>would that mean that he speaks with a forked tongue, saying one thing to
>his constituents and another to the _multiracial_ public ?
And what else is new?! :)
kacangp
> On Thu, 6 May 1999 13:00:15 +0800 "tms" <t...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
> >
> > Well, it has finally come down to this. I am surprise that a man of his
> > stature has to resort to such tactics to further his cause.
> >
> > I wonder if anyone out there can help me with answers to my queries.
> >
> > 1. Name me one Prime Minister of Malaysia that is direct Malay decendency,
> > including the present one. If I were to follow Rahmat's statement, none of
> > them qualify.
>
> All of them are Malays you asshole. DNA has nothing to do with it.
>
> >
> > 2. What is the definition of a bumiputra? What I know by that definition is
> > someone who is born in that country, raised and lives there all his life.
>
> Go look it up in the constitution you ignoramous. Your understanding is
> wrong.
>
> >
> > 3. If Azizah cannot be leader of Malays because she has her education in
> > Singapore, then Hussein Onn also cannot be Prime Minister because he was
> > educated in Singapore.
>
> Azizah cannot be a leader of Malay because she does not believe in Malay
> culture. Thats make he non-Malay. I don't care where she is educated.
>
> >
> > I think there is a general consensus among some faction in Malaysia that
> > Malays must be led by Malays even it means their doomsday. Please say that I
> > am wrong in making this statement.
> >
> Of course Malay must be lead by Malays. We have had bad experience in
> Singapore and
> Indonesia where we trusted non-Malays to lead us.
> --
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testing
Ken!!!
been pure unadulterated crap...
so why is was your other posting any different?
you have lost what little shred of credibility you never possessed in
the first place long ago and you seem to be severely in deficit with
your believablilty account too...
i'd ask you to think, but the reply would probably be: "i don't need
to think... i'm a Dr.M arselicker"...
On Thu, 06 May 1999 02:15:23 GMT, "hanglekiu" <hang...@tm.net.my>
wrote:
>My PM never go against the Malay culture.
>In fact he was one of the savior.
>
>Wan Azizah is detrimental to Malay culture. See my other posting on why
>she is not a Malay.
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tms
hanglekiu..........
Let see now....
1. You say all your Prime Minister all Malays- go check their background
again....who is the asshole here. Ha ha ha ha ha............
I think YOU should check YOUR background also while you are it. DNA do have
everything to do with it.
2. Ignoramus.....ooohhhhh! I am impressed. Did you look up the dictionary or
you think up that word immediately.
3. Azizah is a Malay name and usually is a name for a woman. How come she
becomes a he. Is she accussed of being a male too now? I wonder- in your
country Semua Boleh??
4. As for this.....well I rest my case.
hanglekiu
Too bad if you cannot accept it now.
A lot of my view from 6 month ago have shown it shape now,
in the form of Wan Azizah, Chandra, etc. They are all detrimental to
Malay culture.
Do not immediately conclude that it is a lies becasue a lot of my view
from 6 month ago against
Anwar, Wan Azizah, Chandra, etc have proven to be true.
tms
For Azizah, get a DNA profile...
For your own buch of PMs.....DNA has nothing to do with it.
Lu besar punya warrrphak.
hanglekiu wrote in message ...
>Its true.
>Try to find her parent in Singapore.
>Get a DNA profile.
>
hanglekiu
>
> hanglekiu..........
>
> Let see now....
>
> 1. You say all your Prime Minister all Malays- go check their background
> again....who is the asshole here. Ha ha ha ha ha............
> I think YOU should check YOUR background also while you are it. DNA do have
> everything to do with it.
he he he. The Malay race is about the only race that do not use DNA as
criteria
to be a Malay. Who is the racist here. To be a Chinese you have to have
Chinese
DNA and facial features. An Indian cannot become Chinese but any race
can become Malay.
I told you Malay is a dynamic race.
hanglekiu
specific.
It has nothing to do with becomming a Malay. She cease to be a Malay,
the moment
she practice a culture that is against the Malay culture.
Ken!!!
On Thu, 06 May 1999 13:32:25 GMT, "hanglekiu" <hang...@tm.net.my>
wrote:
>My view is a bit ahead of time.
>
>Too bad if you cannot accept it now.
>A lot of my view from 6 month ago have shown it shape now,
>in the form of Wan Azizah, Chandra, etc. They are all detrimental to
>Malay culture.
>
>Do not immediately conclude that it is a lies becasue a lot of my view
>from 6 month ago against
>Anwar, Wan Azizah, Chandra, etc have proven to be true.
>
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OK Phang
wrote:
>The DNA profile is just to prove that she is a Chinese origin, kek to
>specific.
>
>It has nothing to do with becomming a Malay. She cease to be a Malay,
>the moment she practice a culture that is against the Malay culture.
Your cursing and swearing and dirty words is very Malay and very
Malay-culture?
I think not.
Marines
mamak become a malay, then the next not have a Javanese as one. We all know
that Javanese are closer to the Malays then some mamak from Madras. IMHO if
you are malay or not when you die and meet God, He won't care!
"Ken!!!" wrote:
> your postings have usually been lies, deception, bigotry and always
> been pure unadulterated crap...
>
> so why is was your other posting any different?
>
> you have lost what little shred of credibility you never possessed in
> the first place long ago and you seem to be severely in deficit with
> your believablilty account too...
>
> i'd ask you to think, but the reply would probably be: "i don't need
> to think... i'm a Dr.M arselicker"...
>
> On Thu, 06 May 1999 02:15:23 GMT, "hanglekiu" <hang...@tm.net.my>
> wrote:
>
> >My PM never go against the Malay culture.
> >In fact he was one of the savior.
> >
> >Wan Azizah is detrimental to Malay culture. See my other posting on why
> >she is not a Malay.
>
> *************************************
> delete SPAMMERSDIE for correspondence
> *************************************
--
Politically uninvolved but not politically apathetic.
Tukang Angguk
"Fox Mulder" <dar...@pd.jaring.my> wrote:
> He is part of the "barisan taik", what do you expect ?
>
Tok Mat Si Parang Tumpul is one sandwich short of a picnic,
a mixed parentage of pig and dog, very brainy , so brainy
that Dr M is in a fuddle of how to get rid of him.
He is worse than Brahim Ali JP(Jilat Punggung) and
willing to switch camp so long as he boleh cari makan.
A real dick sucker.
>
--
saya mau titun,bye!
Aunt
wrote:
>The DNA profile is just to prove that she is a Chinese origin, kek to
>specific.
>
>It has nothing to do with becomming a Malay. She cease to be a Malay,
>the moment
>she practice a culture that is against the Malay culture.
>
What cock are talking about? what culture are you farting about? isn't
Azizah practising Islam more than some FASHIONABLE woman in court
displaying all her "assets" . Is Ummi practising what you call , YOUR
CULTURE? go and get a life stopfarting around, you stinking piece of
shit and asslicker.
hEnG*bOk G~~
tms
the results were staring at your stupid face.
How come now talk about her being Chinese after all this issue, why not
question when her husband was elected to the Supreme Council.
Stupidity- to others..it is a curse.......to you, your birthright.
Now I know that "Dumd and Dumber" was based on Khinzir99 (the idiot formerly
known as Kruze99) and your lifestory. Please sue Hollywood for infringement
copyright, make your self rich and get some proper education.
hanglekiu wrote in message ...
>The DNA profile is just to prove that she is a Chinese origin, kek to
>specific.
>
>It has nothing to do with becomming a Malay. She cease to be a Malay,
>the moment
>she practice a culture that is against the Malay culture.
>
>>> hanglekiu wrote in message ...
>> >Its true.
>> >Try to find her parent in Singapore.
>> >Get a DNA profile.
>> >
>> >On Wed, 05 May 1999 08:53:32 GMT Mat J Salleh
>> ><matjs...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
tms
birthright......Have a nice day stupid.....
hanglekiu wrote in message ...
>On Thu, 6 May 1999 21:26:49 +0800 "tms" <t...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>>
>> hanglekiu..........
>>
>> Let see now....
>>
>> 1. You say all your Prime Minister all Malays- go check their background
>> again....who is the asshole here. Ha ha ha ha ha............
>> I think YOU should check YOUR background also while you are it. DNA do
have
>> everything to do with it.
>
>he he he. The Malay race is about the only race that do not use DNA as
>criteria
>to be a Malay. Who is the racist here. To be a Chinese you have to have
>Chinese
>DNA and facial features. An Indian cannot become Chinese but any race
>can become Malay.
>
>
>I told you Malay is a dynamic race.
Cheong Takhoe
hmm... i think there's a term for this. Its called Doublespeak :)
Dinesh Nair wrote:
> Alam Faizli wrote:
> > Taken in this light, we can understand why Mohd Rahmat said the things
> > he said. They were meant for the consumption of Malays only.
>
> would that mean that he speaks with a forked tongue, saying one thing to
> his constituents and another to the _multiracial_ public ?
>
House of Chin
in
>>Singapore, then Hussein Onn also cannot be Prime Minister because he
was
>>educated in Singapore.
>
>Tengku Abdul Rahman, our first Premier was at Cambridge
>Tun Razak & Tun Dr Ismail were also educated in UK
>Tun Ghabar Baba was not educated
Not educated??!!! Surely there must have been some education to
some basic level. Anyway, very interesting to note!
hanglekiu
> On Thu, 06 May 1999 14:18:03 GMT, "hanglekiu" <hang...@tm.net.my>
> wrote:
>
> >specific.
> >
> >It has nothing to do with becomming a Malay. She cease to be a Malay,
> >the moment
> >she practice a culture that is against the Malay culture.
> >
> Azizah practising Islam more than some FASHIONABLE woman in court
> displaying all her "assets" . Is Ummi practising what you call , YOUR
> CULTURE? go and get a life stopfarting around, you stinking piece of
> shit and asslicker.
I am getting sick of explaining the culture :
1. Wan Azizah supported the Bahasa Baku. She even speak Bahasa Baku.
This artificial language using Javanese sound is detrimental to the
Malay culture.
It was his stupid husband Anwar who introduce this language as a covert
operation
agsinst the Malays with help from Indonesia.
2. Wan Azizah does not believe in preserving the Malay culture but
prefer to
dilute it in the name of Malaysian Malaysia and under the cover of
Islamic culture.
3. Wan Aziah and Anwar have been working for years to sabotage a lot of
Malay cultural activity like literature, dance, theatre, music, etc.
As for Ummi, I am not to worried about her, becasue she never intended
to lead the Malay mass
unlike Wan Azizah. Ummi, may need some help to rediscover her Malay
culture after so many
pyscological warfare being engage by Anwar through the media against
Malay culture.
hanglekiu
wrote:
> On Thu, 06 May 1999 14:18:03 GMT, "hanglekiu" <hang...@tm.net.my>
> wrote:
>
> >The DNA profile is just to prove that she is a Chinese origin, kek to
> >specific.
> >
> >It has nothing to do with becomming a Malay. She cease to be a Malay,
> >the moment she practice a culture that is against the Malay culture.
>
> Malay-culture?
>
> I think not.
When I write in English and in the net, I tend to get skewed toward the
American swearing culture.
When I wite in Malay, I will use Malay swearing which have been use
since the old days of the Malay literature.
'DivaDoo~'*
>I am getting sick of explaining the culture :
err, try injecting a bit more logic into your explanation. it helps.
>1. Wan Azizah supported the Bahasa Baku. She even speak Bahasa Baku.
>This artificial language using Javanese sound is detrimental to the
>Malay culture.
Hahaha. Bahasa Baku detrimental to Malay culture. Bahasa Baku which
came into existence under Mahathir's dictatorship. Hahaha. Hangkatak
you're a real comedian katak.
So, dear hangkatak, you think Mahathir's Malays-are-inferior theory
very beneficial to Malay culture? :)
Are you a masochistic kinda Malay katak? You like to work for a boss
who abuses your intelligence forever?
>It was his stupid husband Anwar who introduce this language as a covert
>operation agsinst the Malays with help from Indonesia.
right, hangkatak, right... a 'covert operation' fully endorsed by
Mahathir - who was planning to build the longest bridge in the world
across the straits of Melaka with guess who else but Tut Tut the mass
murdurer of Indonesian famine victims!!! :)
Alamak. Mahathir and Mirzan in bed with Suharto's daughter!! Oi Katak,
not very good xenophobia propaganda trick lah, this one. ;)
oh, another thing - obviously your fanantical katak would also
brainwash yourself to believe that Mahathir's strategic erosian of the
Malay Monarchy's power over the last decade is very good for the Malay
culture ya?
>3. Wan Aziah and Anwar have been working for years to sabotage a lot of
>Malay cultural activity like literature, dance, theatre, music, etc.
yeah yeah....while Tok Mat does wonders in banning everything which
challenges his status as the most handsome and influential film
director in Malaysia. That's why Malay tragic soap operas and bimbo
sex flicks won Tok Mat's academy awards while all up-and-coming
P.Ramlees can wait or die in vain.
The innovative Sabaruddin had also been working for years to encourage
'traditional Malay' karaoke hostess boom in Imbi and and a thriving,
exciting trend in selling Malay male circumsician culture to white
tourists.
All of which hangkatak approved with fanantical blinkers over hazy
eyes. clap clap clap.
>As for Ummi, I am not to worried about her, becasue she never intended
>to lead the Malay mass
>unlike Wan Azizah.
To avoid the inevitability of corruption skeletons falling out of all
Umno closets, you would choose Ummi over Wan Azizah as your daughter's
role model, wouldn't you katak?
..DiVaDoo..
** Reality is
that which doesn't go away
when you change your mind ****
~ Phillip K. Dick ~
'DivaDoo~'*
>Tok Mat's wife is indeed Chinese. Tok Mat's eldest son (Mohd Jazman)
>and I studied at the same university in England. Tok Mat and wife met
>the Dean of the Law School personally to ensure that his son got a
>place at the university.
Sheesh. String-pulling and bribing all the way to Mat salleh land.
Exporting Malaysia's special brand of nepotism to old colonial bosses?
Why the necessity anyway? Tok Mat's superior IQ didn't get passed on
to his son or what.
>Jazman, like his father, is also a blabber-mouth and was disliked by
>practically every M'sian student at the univeristy (except for those
>that were trying to suck up to him and his father!!!).
Bet Vellu and Liong Sick's billionaire sons are as charming, and come
complete with the appropriate crony parasite friends too.
>> Maybe Tok Mat should RESIGN IMMEDIATELY as a leader of the Malay
>> people?
>
>The Chinese have a lovely nickname for him... Pig-headed Ah Beng!!! He
>should be thrown back into the political wilderness.
He is where he is for every meaning of that lovely nickname. His role
is to transform Malaysia from a Natural Beauty into an Information
Wasteland devoid of soul, innovation and artistry.
A land without soul is good for soul-less dictatorial exploitation.
>> Think about it, Umno Divide-and-Rule agents, before you guys spit
>> racist crap next time?
>
>As long as UMNO, MCA and MIC exist, we will never have a non-racial
>Bangsa Malaysia.
As long as these Corrupt Monsters rule, Malaysia will always hear the
same old racist crap from the Barisan Neanderthals.
As long as the country choose division, the country will remain weak
for outside exploitation.
hang...@my-dejanews.com
Singapore Tribe. When?
In article <3732a4b4...@news.pacific.net.sg>,
na...@pacific.SPAMMERSDIE.net.sg (Ken!!!) wrote:
> then i fear for malaysia
>
> On Thu, 06 May 1999 13:32:25 GMT, "hanglekiu" <hang...@tm.net.my>
> wrote:
>
> >My view is a bit ahead of time.
> >
> >Too bad if you cannot accept it now.
> >A lot of my view from 6 month ago have shown it shape now,
> >in the form of Wan Azizah, Chandra, etc. They are all detrimental to
> >Malay culture.
> >
> >Do not immediately conclude that it is a lies becasue a lot of my view
> >from 6 month ago against
> >Anwar, Wan Azizah, Chandra, etc have proven to be true.
> >
>
> *************************************
> delete SPAMMERSDIE for correspondence
> *************************************
>
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Ken!!!
burned around him...
only, you don't have an empire and you are not an emperor
but then, better you than me...
On Fri, 07 May 1999 08:45:20 GMT, hang...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>he he he. Why don't you fear for you own country in Singapore.
>Singapore Tribe. When?
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LOUD
stating that a "Chinese" or anyone who does not have enough "Malayness"
cannot lead the Malay community.. I have seen jokes, criticises, and etc by
the "Reformist". Can I ask the same question to the "Reformist"? Can a
chinese lead the Malay community in Malaysia?
Regards,
LOUD
OK Phang
wrote:
>When I write in English and in the net, I tend to get skewed toward the
>American swearing culture.
>
>When I wite in Malay, I will use Malay swearing which have been use
>since the old days of the Malay literature.
Thus "your cursing and swearing and dirty words" is not Malay and not
Malay-culture.
You can never be a Malay.
Nor would they want you.
You are a liability.
An embarrassment.
To all the real Malays.
OK Phang
wrote:
>I am getting sick of explaining the culture :
Despite all you attempts to be a Malay, "your cursing and swearing and
-+fairplay+-
vote or support the the racist bastards..
It appears that the chinese are good ass lickers.. Come on guys, don't fall
for the Umno bullshit..
thinman
Why don't the ordinary malaysians say " mahathir cannot lead the
malaysia any more, he's senile"
gy633tft
> chinese lead the Malay community in Malaysia?
Why are you reflecting the stereotype of racial politics? Why can't it
be that any Malaysian should be able to lead all Malaysians if he/she
is a good and fair leader? This should be the politics of the new
millennium. That's why Dr M and his group are dated.
LOUD
really support a policy of "no racial" discrimination? I raise this as a
valid question, for those who proclaim as reformist. Don't forget some of
the famous cahracters in SCM (reformist) were formally a racist or
frequently attack people of other religion. How can they cahnge over night
and believe in equality for all races and religion?
Regards,
LOUD
gy633tft <itch...@garu.kom> wrote in message news:x3QY2.190> Why are you
piper
>Bottom line, do you believe thesome of those self proclaimed reformists,
>really support a policy of "no racial" discrimination? I raise this as a
>valid question, for those who proclaim as reformist. Don't forget some of
>the famous cahracters in SCM (reformist) were formally a racist or
>frequently attack people of other religion. How can they cahnge over night
>and believe in equality for all races and religion?
As a supporting comment, I was looking at Harakah's web site earlier
today. It's quite interesting. But people have not forgotten the
extremist statements that come out of PAS from time to time, nor their
excesses in Kelantan (e.g. separate lines for husbands and wives in
supermarkets, lights on in movie theaters). The fact that PAS is the
major opposition party in Malaysia today presents a Hobson's choice
for non-Muslims and Muslims whose views are liberal and not
absolutist.
I expect abusive responses to my comments by some PAS supporters, and
suggest in advance that such responses would tend to provide
supporting data as to the questionable tolerance level toward dissent
by PAS supporters.
Any "reformist" group one of whose major supporters is the hate-filled
Aduru concerns me. I haven't forgotten his libels against Jews and his
abusive, ad hominem attacks on people taking issue with his willfully
ignorant mischaracterization of other religions. People like Aduru
often change their tactics rather than their characters.
Michael
To reply by email, please eliminate "NOSPAM" from my address. Personal messages only! If you send a commercial solicitation, I will boycott the product.
gy633tft
> Bottom line, do you believe thesome of those self proclaimed reformists,
> really support a policy of "no racial" discrimination? I raise this as a
> valid question, for those who proclaim as reformist. Don't forget some of
> the famous cahracters in SCM (reformist) were formally a racist or
> frequently attack people of other religion. How can they cahnge over night
> and believe in equality for all races and religion?
Well, there's always the "bad apples" so to speak, but we've got to
start somewhere and it's heartening to note the general sentiments
especially those whom you meet personally. I'm not so sure that the
characters who said they are reformists are really reformists :) They
could be planted there to give precisely that impression that you've
got. Some of those characters on SCM could be CIA agents, SBs etc. One
never knows :)
gy633tft
> today. It's quite interesting. But people have not forgotten the
> extremist statements that come out of PAS from time to time, nor their
> excesses in Kelantan (e.g. separate lines for husbands and wives in
> supermarkets, lights on in movie theaters). The fact that PAS is the
> major opposition party in Malaysia today presents a Hobson's choice
> for non-Muslims and Muslims whose views are liberal and not
> absolutist.
>
> I expect abusive responses to my comments by some PAS supporters, and
> suggest in advance that such responses would tend to provide
> supporting data as to the questionable tolerance level toward dissent
> by PAS supporters.
>
> Any "reformist" group one of whose major supporters is the hate-filled
> Aduru concerns me. I haven't forgotten his libels against Jews and his
> abusive, ad hominem attacks on people taking issue with his willfully
> ignorant mischaracterization of other religions. People like Aduru
> often change their tactics rather than their characters.
Your arguement has jumped from one plane to another - from the concept
of reform to individuals and political parties. Don't forget that PAS
was at one time a component party of BN. Similarly, if one singles out
some of the BN characters, you wouldn't support BN either. But most
people look at BN from the point of view of the general policies. But
lately, they have put a lot of strain on many of us, especially issues
like fairness, transparency, justice, humanity etc. so much so that
some of us who had been apolitical in the past are saying enough is
enough. We are even willing to give the opposition a chance to prove
themselves. Why not?
-+fairplay+-
Loud, get back to me..
LOUD wrote:
>
> Bottom line, do you believe thesome of those self proclaimed reformists,
> really support a policy of "no racial" discrimination? I raise this as a
> valid question, for those who proclaim as reformist. Don't forget some of
> the famous cahracters in SCM (reformist) were formally a racist or
> frequently attack people of other religion. How can they cahnge over night
> and believe in equality for all races and religion?
>