Chinese guy marry Malay girl
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guy convert to Islam
how would he face his parents ? He is the only son in the family. This has
been the greatest pressure on him.
If the guy is not converting to Islam, the Malay girl would not able to face
hers family, relatives and friends
after the marriage. Solution, do they have to migrate to foreign land like
Canada, Australia or UK to
make things easier for both family ?
Synapse Man
without having to convert.
You are also right, very difficult for her if the Chinese guy doesn't
convert, because the Malays are a very close-knit community and everyone
else's opinion does matter. I believe in many cases, the parents of the
Malay girl will not allow her to be married to a non-Muslim at all.
Migrating is not a solution, unless both are willing to sever ties with
their families (effecting an elope). There'a actually no choice for the
guy: he has to convert, unless her parents are very, very bo-chup.
Fearless
I have seen so many cases as described below, and one of them must
sacrifice or else look for other girl. Basically the chinese younger
generation are more open to cross marriage than old parents especially
you are only son in the family. A close friend of mine finally give
up his malay lover for the same reason since he is only children in
his family.
Since you know this is hard reality, either one must give up his own
religion. I doubt run away from Bolehland is a good solution..... you
need to face your family in one day. Cheers !!!
On T and hu, 21 Jan 1999 09:45:55 +0800, "Want To Know"
death....@mailcity.com
"Want To Know" <wt_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Can a Chinese guy marry a Malay girl without converting to Islam ? If the
> guy convert to Islam
> how would he face his parents ? He is the only son in the family. This has
> been the greatest pressure on him.
> If the guy is not converting to Islam, the Malay girl would not able to face
> hers family, relatives and friends
> after the marriage. Solution, do they have to migrate to foreign land like
> Canada, Australia or UK to
> make things easier for both family ?
Now why the hell should EITHER of them convert? Rebel against
parents. Who the fuck are they to dominate your every move?
I am a Christian married to a Muslim girl, fought against my
parents, opposed them when they said no, got her to come with
me and we're all still in Singapore. FUCK THEM. Why should any
one have the power to influence you?
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Kalantan Kayu
>Can a Chinese guy marry a Malay girl without converting to Islam ? If the
>guy convert to Islam
>how would he face his parents ? He is the only son in the family. This has
>been the greatest pressure on him.
>If the guy is not converting to Islam, the Malay girl would not able to face
>hers family, relatives and friends
>after the marriage. Solution, do they have to migrate to foreign land like
>Canada, Australia or UK to
>make things easier for both family
How about convert first then denounce later on ?
Regards,
Kalantan Kayu (generic)
BG
death....@mailcity.com wrote in message
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>
>Now why the hell should EITHER of them convert? Rebel against
>parents. Who the fuck are they to dominate your every move?
>I am a Christian married to a Muslim girl, fought against my
>parents, opposed them when they said no, got her to come with
>me and we're all still in Singapore. FUCK THEM. Why should any
>one have the power to influence you?
>
Will jesus fight with allah?
God! God problem again.
Aduru
woman, you cannot marry a Muslim. Still, you 'll have problems... I
suggest you date some other Chinese.... or.... study Islam.
Want To Know wrote:
>
> Can a Chinese guy marry a Malay girl without converting to Islam ? If the
--
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The real Aduru is ad...@pl.jaring.my
Aduru
death....@mailcity.com wrote:
>
> Now why the hell should EITHER of them convert? Rebel against
> parents. Who the fuck are they to dominate your every move?
> I am a Christian married to a Muslim girl, fought against my
> parents, opposed them when they said no, got her to come with
> me and we're all still in Singapore. FUCK THEM. Why should any
> one have the power to influence you?
--
Z4T4N
If the guy convert to Islam how would he face his parents ? He is the only son
in the family.
This has been the greatest pressure on him. >>> Think about this, THEY brought
you up!
and think about HER & her family for goodness sake!
> If the guy is not converting to Islam, the Malay girl would not able to face
> hers family, relatives and friends >> Yes how true, at least you're thinking a
> little now
> after the marriage. Solution, do they have to migrate to foreign land like
> Canada, Australia or UK to make things easier for both family ? >> Well you
> can ....
but don't tell me in UK/Australia/Canada there's no muslims ? what if they find
out they'll
probably kill you or something.
====-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=
I've been with 3 malay girls and each time after falling in love with them I
kept thinking of
how much trouble my parents went thru and each time I do that, the girl i was
with did
the same and we parted - each time I parted with them, i told myself NOT to fall
again with
another malay girl - after the third one, it was enough for me. I'm now happily
married with
a chinese girl :o)
Well this WILL piss alot of malay guys who are reading this, oh well...
I even got a muslim name : Md Fairus Abdullah :o) pretty kewl ....
and a pretty kewl religion though :-)
Fearless
>
>Now why the hell should EITHER of them convert? Rebel against
>parents. Who the fuck are they to dominate your every move?
>I am a Christian married to a Muslim girl, fought against my
>parents, opposed them when they said no, got her to come with
>me and we're all still in Singapore. FUCK THEM. Why should any
>one have the power to influence you?
No problem lah....your sons will fuck more harder on you in future for
your own behaviour.
TOLEBALANY
>Can a Chinese guy marry a Malay girl without converting to Islam ? If
The short answer to that is "Yes". In Malaysia a Malay is a muslim. Period. The
position of Malays as muslims is "safeguarded" by the Constitution. So while
the other races are free to practise their own beliefs (religions) the Malays
are not (free). The only snag here is: your marriage to her will not be legal.
sk...@my-dejanews.com
I had a friend convert me to Mohamed Zubair ! nothing came of it though.
Even though there are strict laws regulating marriage in Malaysia, I believe
that the Government should repeal the restrictions and get out the personal
and religious decisions that people have to make. There should be freedom of
relgion in Malaysia, and if that is truly the case, then there should not be
legal compulsion to convert to Islam upon marriage to a Muslim person.
This, of course, extends into the argument that Malaysia should no longer
consider itself a Muslim country, striking into the heart of the concern of
the Malay. They are fearful that somehow they will lose their identity and
be overwhelmed by the culture and religion of non-Malays... we'll leave this
for another thread.
Subir De.
In article <36A6DC1F...@hell.com>,
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botakchin
first.
Want To Know wrote:
> Can a Chinese guy marry a Malay girl without converting to Islam ? If the
> guy convert to Islam
> how would he face his parents ? He is the only son in the family. This has
> been the greatest pressure on him.
> If the guy is not converting to Islam, the Malay girl would not able to face
> hers family, relatives and friends
SM Lee Kuan Yew
> haha. Reminds me of the time I was so infatuated with a fine Malay lass
that
> I had a friend convert me to Mohamed Zubair ! nothing came of it though.
>
[....]
Wah! you too ??? Actually I left that part out in my book. My Malay friends
tell me I was already a bit "harsh."
Actually, I'll let you frisky young bucks in on a little secret.
Malay Girls Kumut REAL GOOD. oooooohhhh mama...aiyahyayah!!!
heh heh
Where my Viagra? .....Quick, somebody roll a joint!
SM Lee Kuan Yew
Big Shot,
Republic of Singapore
botakchin
Kalantan Kayu wrote:
> And go to jail???? Didn't Malaysia enacted a law (last year) with regards to
> Muslims' apostates??? I sure I read something like that last year when a muslim
> girl converted to Christianity and married her boyfriend.
botakchin
the poor guy manhood gone?? Years ago(1980's), I have read articles in the
NST with regard to doctors who made mistakes and they tried to cover up.
qusyairy wrote:
> It would be more pleasant do you realize that?
>
> Synapse Man <huh?@brain.dead.com> wrote in article
> <36A762A7...@brain.dead.com>...
> > My Malay friend says this is not necessary.
chaos ad
>Now why the hell should EITHER of them convert? Rebel against
>parents. Who the fuck are they to dominate your every move?
>I am a Christian married to a Muslim girl, fought against my
>parents, opposed them when they said no, got her to come with
>me and we're all still in Singapore. FUCK THEM. Why should any
>one have the power to influence you?
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Synapse Man
qusyairy
Synapse Man <huh?@brain.dead.com> wrote in article
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CarryOn
Don't even think about it, if you can, for you are sure to regret once you
find your senses again.
Want To Know wrote in message <78617n$b2c$1...@newton.pacific.net.sg>...
shazrul azwa asari
mess ... everything is clean cut.. cheap also
botakchin wrote:
> No. My question is what happens if the bomoh/doctor "oops" the job??? Is
> the poor guy manhood gone?? Years ago(1980's), I have read articles in the
> NST with regard to doctors who made mistakes and they tried to cover up.
>
> qusyairy wrote:
>
hard...@freemail.c3.hu
<wt_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Can a Chinese guy marry a Malay girl without converting to Islam ?
Yes, GO TO LIVE IN THE USA and you don't have to convert.
>If the guy convert to Islam how would he face his parents ?
No matter what his parents say, it'll HURT them tremendously, for ALL the
grandchildren will grow up as MALAYS, and Chinese grandparents with MALAY
grandchildren will have a tough time to held their head high among their
peers.
>He is the only son in the family. This has been the greatest pressure on him.
This is THE WORST CASE for the parents, especially if they want that only son
to carry on the family name, and it is impossible to carry on Chinese family
name when the grandchildren (especially the grandsons) have MALAY NAMES like
Ali bin Ahmad.
The parents will have a lot of difficulties facing ALL THE RELATIVES.
If the son goes on and marry the Malay girl, and convert himself into Islam,
he'd be BETRAYING the love of his own parents, especially if he is THE ONLY
SON.
>If the guy is not converting to Islam, the Malay girl would not able to face hers
>family, relatives and friends after the marriage.
So why should the man sacrifies HIS family to suit the woman???
Especially if the Malay girl has brothers and sisters and the Chinese guy is
THE ONLY SON.
Look, man, use your brain, okay?
>Solution, do they have to migrate to foreign land like Canada, Australia or UK to
>make things easier for both family ?
Best solution, WAIT.
Wait for a year or two, or three, and see if the LOVE between them is TRUE or
not.
If the LOVE is true, they will eventually become husband and wife.
If the "LOVE" they are feeling right now turns out to be "LUST", then, they
will gradually go separate ways, and find new partners/lovers.
And if the LOVE between them is TRUE, then, yes, migrate to countries like
the US, where there is TOTAL FREEDOM ON RELIGION, and where NOBODY CAN FORCE
THE CHILDREN TO BECOME MUSLIMS if they (the children) DON'T WANT TO.
Bottom line ----- This is THE CRITICAL TIME for both of you. Do NOT LET YOUR
EMOTION OVERWHELM YOU AND COMPLICATE THE WHOLE THING. USE YOR BRAIN INSTEAD,
and do a "cool-off" period, for one, two or three years, and if the LOVE
between you and the Malay girl is TRUE, both of you will COME TOGETHER AGAIN
AS A COUPLE. And when you have proven that the LOVE between both of you is
TRUE, then your marriage will be a VERY FULFILLING ONE.
Suresh
>
> Malay Girls [word deleted] REAL GOOD. oooooohhhh mama...aiyahyayah!!!
>
Please sir, there is no need for this.
rosidan
cross relationship....it's never gonna work....I've been there, done
that.....trust me!
Fearless wrote:
> I have seen so many cases as described below, and one of them must
> sacrifice or else look for other girl. Basically the chinese younger
> generation are more open to cross marriage than old parents especially
> you are only son in the family. A close friend of mine finally give
> up his malay lover for the same reason since he is only children in
> his family.
>
> Since you know this is hard reality, either one must give up his own
> religion. I doubt run away from Bolehland is a good solution..... you
> need to face your family in one day. Cheers !!!
>
> On T and hu, 21 Jan 1999 09:45:55 +0800, "Want To Know"
> <wt_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Can a Chinese guy marry a Malay girl without converting to Islam ? If the
> >guy convert to Islam
> >how would he face his parents ? He is the only son in the family. This has
> >been the greatest pressure on him.
> >If the guy is not converting to Islam, the Malay girl would not able to face
> >hers family, relatives and friends
> >after the marriage. Solution, do they have to migrate to foreign land like
Fearless
wrote:
>the best solution is for a person to find his or her ownpeople rather than having
>cross relationship....it's never gonna work....I've been there, done
>that.....trust me!
Yes. I did stop the break before ran into this sort of ambivalence.
And I'm very happy and free now. :)
sahnie
mind me adding this... it is better to say bye bye to that 'foreskin'. tell
you, it'll be so much cleaner and rasa pun better. :)
this is the bummer... we still have some old fashion families and a
over-protective government. religion has become so part of one's life that
people tend to forget that LOVE comes first.
since mixed marriages are so common, there must be a way out. pity the one
who has to convert... he/she is the one who has to face a totally new life
and go thru new name, new religion, new way social standings.... couples
should work out a compromising agreement.
what 'hardwork' has said were correct... if the love is true... then you two
have to prepare to face the fire. no matter what the parents said, it's just
a threat. i believe that no matter how bad you are, you'd never lose their
love. just never lost contact with them after marriage and always keep in
touch.
whoever was having this headache and also to all who are having the same
problem... i wish you all the best and hope that we can all walk thru this
rough barrier safely and live a happy life of our own choice.
There's this article in last sunday (17/1) THE STAR 'tell-it-to-thelma'
which i think would be interesting to all. PARENTS STRONGLY AGAINST MIXED
MARRIAGES. check it out.
TOLEBALANY
>Date: 1/21/99 6:51 AM Pacific
>There should be freedom of
>relgion in Malaysia, and if that is
The Government under the guise of protecting the official religion (Islam)
under the Constitution prevents any Malay Muslim from changing his/her
religous beliefs. There is no religous freedom for the Malays. There is
evidence of actual religous prosecution of one Malay dissident recently.
TOLEBALANY
>Date: 1/21/99 9:54 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> How about convert first then denounce later on ?
Have your marriage registered at the Registry.
Archimedes
was meant to be lived, and experienced to the fullest! Meeting, interacting, etc.
with people from ALL walks of life everywhere in the world; there's just nothing more
exciting that comes to mind.
And for your information, inter-racial marriages DO work, when the couple can bring
the best of BOTH their races to bear on the relationship, instead of the worst. Not
really a tall order for people who are willing to really try.
Just my humble opinion...
madcow
sahnie wrote in message <36a85...@news.tm.net.my>...
>guys and gals... there's nothing wrong with mixed marriages. if you don't
>mind me adding this... it is better to say bye bye to that 'foreskin'. tell
>you, it'll be so much cleaner and rasa pun better. :)
In a genetic sense, it is BEST to have mixed marriage; children born in a
mixed marriage family normally will be brighter and more intelligent; unlike
some crazy Dynasty, in the name of "preserving" their pure blood, they
encourage close root relationship marriage which in the end created numerous
abnormal or sub-normal children (we have examples in Singapore you know!!),
Examples ranged from the English monarchy to Japan monarchy.
Well, of course that is the extreme cases but hor, imagine you have mixed
blood marriage, chances are, the diversity in the blood will create better
children.
MADCOW
Agung
beauty queen suggested that they got married so that their offsprings can
be both smart and beautiful. His retort was what if they turn out to be
stupid and ugly!!!!
Whatever it is, do not get near a Malay girl, unless you are not compelled
to convert. If you do, for the rest of your life you will not know whether
she loved you or just wanted to get a good karma to get to paradise. If
you dont care about anything, then dont even do it. You will eventually
make everyone and including yourself misereable. There is much more better
things in life that just Malay girl. Minah solly!
madcow <mad...@singnet.com.sg> wrote in article
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Agung
But if you read last Sunday's Berita Minggu you will read about a Syamful
Arrifin Nababan from Indonesia whom the reporter used his words in the
interview to propogate a schism. To invite a Mullah from Indonesia with
the present tension of rioting and burnings of religious institutions is a
big question mark. It was reported that he told his believers not to wish
anyone Merry Christmas or wish anyone Happy New Year.
Is this a subtle message to plant in the hearts and minds of our fellow
Singaporeans to riot and bash the Kafirs.
Wissam Azma
No, a muslim woman cannot marry from a non-muslim. But why are posting this
letter here. Go to Malaysia and posted there.
witra
you come from a family of very narrow minded people. However, marrying
someone from another religion is different matter altogether.
Scenario: they marry but neither converts to the other religion (maybe
they go to live in another country). Some religions (including Islam)
demands exclusivity. The believer cannot believe in another god. You
cannot raise your children to be both Muslims and Buddhists at the
same time. One way out will be to have no children.
*fairplay*
a home breaker!!
Juana Bt Ahmad
is prohibited in Islam. Both husband & wife must be muslims or there will
be no marriage. The Malay girl cannot convert to other religon or she will
as an apostate & in Islam the punishment for an apostate is harsh. A
devout Muslim will never consider converting to other religion because it
is the Ad-Din, the one true religion.
Azam
as Islam allow Muslim male to marry Ahle-Kitab (peoples of book).
But a Muslim female could not marry other then a Muslim.
witra wrote in message <36a9c6f8...@nntp.jaring.my>...
Geramman
botakchin wrote:
> If you convert......you must potong your you know what.:-) So think about it
> first.
>
Well, the idea behind it is hygiene. If you potong it wil be 'clean' but if you
don't you can
also be 'clean' only if you wash regularly. You don't need to convert to potong.
If you want
to keep yourself 'clean' you can always potong anytime you like.
So think about it.
Geramman
Agung wrote:
> Ever heard about the story of Einstien and a beauty queen. At a party the
> beauty queen suggested that they got married so that their offsprings can
> be both smart and beautiful. His retort was what if they turn out to be
> stupid and ugly!!!!
>
> Whatever it is, do not get near a Malay girl, unless you are not compelled
> to convert. If you do, for the rest of your life you will not know whether
> she loved you or just wanted to get a good karma to get to paradise. If
> you dont care about anything, then dont even do it. You will eventually
> make everyone and including yourself misereable. There is much more better
> things in life that just Malay girl. Minah solly!
>
No need to be solly! The thing is that if you want to convert to another
religion,
it must come from the inner heart, not for any other reasons whatsoever.
hard...@freemail.c3.hu
wrote:
> It should not be a problem to marry someone from another race, unless
> you come from a family of very narrow minded people. However, marrying
> someone from another religion is different matter altogether.
I totally agree with you that there should be NO problem for inter-racial
marriage. After all, we are all human beings.
However, in Malaysia and Singapore, 99.99% of the Malays are Muslims, and
when any Non-Muslim, NON-Malay wanting to marry a Malay, religious issues
crop up, for in these two countries the laws about this matter are very
strict.
> Scenario: they marry but neither converts to the other religion (maybe they go
> to live in another country). Some religions (including Islam) demands
> exclusivity. The believer cannot believe in another god. You cannot raise your
> children to be both Muslims and Buddhists at the same time. One way out will
> be to have no children.
That has been done many, many times in the US when people of different
religious backgrounds got married. In many instance, in order for a complete
compromise, they turn into a new "religion" --- and become atheists. :)
But going back to the original matter ---- I still recommend a "cooldown"
period of one, two or three years, and if the love between the Chinese man
and the Malay girl survive the cooldown test, then they should get married,
and their marriage will be a fulfilling one.
Reza Zainal
>Well this WILL piss alot of malay guys who are reading this, oh well...
Why should it piss malay guys....afterall we have chinese girlfriends at the
side too....
hard...@freemail.c3.hu
Zulhairi Bin Zainal <zul...@nus.edu.sg> wrote:
>>This is THE WORST CASE for the parents, especially if they want that only
>>son to carry on the family name, and it is impossible to carry on Chinese family
>>name when the grandchildren (especially the grandsons) have MALAY
>>NAMES like Ali bin Ahmad.
> A correction here.
> Any children from inter-racial marriages adopt the father's surname and
> race (most often). If the guy converted to Islam, the child will still
> carry his Chinese surname. The guy are also not required to drop his
> Chinese surname. This is not fiction, but reality. Many Chinese Muslims
> have taken both Muslim and Chinese names as their own.
> As the guy is Chinese, his sons and daughters will be considered as
> 'Chinese' and not 'Malay' by the state. Even though they may only speak
> Malay and look Malay, their NRIC would still indicate their race to be
> Chinese.
Hi,
Actually, I _KNEW_ that.
The thing I wrote above was a bait --- for I need a Muslim to point out
_THAT_ fact since I am a non-Muslim.
If I point out that fact, people might NOT believe me, but if a Muslim
pointed that out, and in the context of _CORRECTING_ me, hehehe, people would
believe it.
Great plan, eh?
Sorry for "using" you, my friend.
[snip! a lot of drivel]
Actually the "drivels" I wrote was from a lot of of what I have seen. I have
friends who married Muslims and ended up having miserable marriages because
of, you know, the culture clash, the xenophobic reaction from friends and
relatives (on BOTH sides), etc., etc.
I want to make my reply to the couple who posted the original message as
frank and as truthful as possible. What I did was laid out the things that
they will probably face in the future, and let them think over.
>>Best solution, WAIT.
>>Wait for a year or two, or three, and see if the LOVE between them is TRUE
>>or not.
> [snip! some good points]
>>Bottom line ----- This is THE CRITICAL TIME for both of you. Do NOT LET
>>YOUR EMOTION OVERWHELM YOU AND COMPLICATE THE WHOLE
>>THING. USE YOR BRAIN INSTEAD, and do a "cool-off" period, for one, two
>>or three years, and if the LOVE between you and the Malay girl is TRUE, both
>>of you will COME TOGETHER AGAIN AS A COUPLE. And when you have
>>proven that the LOVE between both of you is TRUE, then your marriage will
>>be a VERY FULFILLING ONE.
> Finally. A coherent and thoughful comment.
Thank you for your kind words. :)
> But I thank you for your interesting post. A bit skewered in the beginning, but
> but the end is worth considering. The ending, contained good advice.
Again, thank you for your kind words.
I hope the couple who posted the message would at least think over what I
have written and not be swayed by their emotion and do rash things that they
may regret for the rest of their lives.
GeoL
> The Malay girl cannot convert to other religon or she will
> as an apostate & in Islam the punishment for an apostate is harsh.
Makes you wonder, doesn't it, whether a person who is born into a Muslim
family remains a Muslim by his own free will.
Andrew Yeung
>> The Malay girl cannot convert to other religon or she will
>> as an apostate & in Islam the punishment for an apostate is harsh.
For curiosity's sake,
What is the punishment?
and,
If she is no longer a Muslim, then Islamic law no longer applies to
her, doesn't it?
piper
wrote:
>
>
>botakchin wrote:
>
>> If you convert......you must potong your you know what.:-) So think about it
>> first.
>>
>
>Well, the idea behind it is hygiene.
[snip]
Well, the idea in Judaism is that it is a sacrifice which is based on
God's covenant with Abraham that he should only sacrifice this
unnecessary part of Isaac rather than slaughtering him. Since Muslims
believe in the same story, but relating to Ishmael rather than Isaac,
isn't the reason for the sunat the same, and not one of hygiene?
Michael
sabre 2/3 tiger
usa...@earthlink.net (*fairplay*) writes:
> wow!! religion sucks.
> a home breaker!!
Then why marry? No religion, no need marry, free for all, easy lah ...
regards,
.sabre ;-}
Ah Beng
>Kalantan Kayu wrote:
>
>> And go to jail???? Didn't Malaysia enacted a law (last year) with regards to
>> Muslims' apostates??? I sure I read something like that last year when a muslim
>> girl converted to Christianity and married her boyfriend.
>>
>> How about convert first then denounce later on ?
>>
a christian school?
Agung
a. Go ahead and marry the Minah. I am sure you are a good guy and don't
want to hurt her. She looks great anyway. Who is marrying? You or your
mom? You deserve happiness you know.
b. So what? What's in a name or a religion? What's wrong with Abdullah?
What's wrong with clapping together with the good folks from the thousand
islands and the sand dunes? What's wrong in not wishing someone Merry
Christmas or Happy New Year? What's wrong in not being able to eat pork or
touch my pet?
c. Getting it potong is okay what? The holy book says it is for good
higiene only what.
d. Anyway she cannot change religion what. If she change her head will be
potong - ed. That means if I join and later want to leave, my other head
will be potong - ed also.
e. Then I better think twice also. You cannot trust any Minah. Never
mind! If she keeps her head but lose her coffee-shop next time, I will get
her head first before they get mine.
Andrew Yeung
wrote:
> is it true that all Malays are muslim by birth and they are not allow to go to
> a christian school?
I'm not sure, but I cannot imagine that SAJC and CJC prohibit muslims.
angus
> is it true that all Malays are muslim by birth and they are not allow to go to
> a christian school?
I think you are right about the first point.
As far as christian school is concerned, the term in nominal only.
Nowadays no religious education is conducted in such schools except moral studies.
The christian schools have lost much of the religious fervour with the clampdown by the
authorities on this freedom.
Only Islam is taught during school hours and this may be one cause for the decay in our
moral standards.
H J Angus
L.Angel
>What is the punishment?
I may be wrong on this but I heard somewhere somewhen that the
punishment for apostasy is death, if you go by rules strictly.
>and,
>If she is no longer a Muslim, then Islamic law no longer applies to
>her, doesn't it?
Tell it to her persecutors, they are still Muslim, their law demands
that they carry out the sentence, regardless of relevance.
Just another curious thing, if a Muslim woman jumps into the sea and
save a drowning man, will she be condemned for khalwart or whatever it
is they call the crime of being caught in physical closeness to
another man?
The little lost angel & her featherhead's 2 cents of dreaminess. :)
Email : Figure out what to remove, I'm getting tired of spam
Andrew Yeung
>Ah Beng wrote:
>
>> is it true that all Malays are muslim by birth and they are not allow to go to
>> a christian school?
>
>I think you are right about the first point.
>As far as christian school is concerned, the term in nominal only.
>Nowadays no religious education is conducted in such schools except moral studies.
>
>The christian schools have lost much of the religious fervour with the clampdown by the
>authorities on this freedom.
True, but in the Catholic school I was in, we had morning prayers
every day, and Mass now and then (during hall assembly), compulsory
attendence regardless; BK for Catholics.
IIRC, they do the morning prayers in CJC too. Not sure about the rest
though.
Synapse Man
inherited. You are not a Muslim just because your parents are Muslim.
Islam must be embraced upon by free will. The parents may influence the
child, but he is not a Muslim until he decides to be so. A Muslim is not
a Muslim if only just by name, but from the heart (just like any other
religion, I guess).
Any Muslim care to comment on this?
And also, IIRC, no where in the Koran was it specifically mentioned that
circumcision is compulsory. It was just because followers decided to
adopt this practice because the Prophet Muhammed was born without a
foreskin.
Clarifications?
And as for schools, many Malay parents do send their children to
Christian/Catholic schools, and such schools must accept any students of
any race/religion. They are not allow to "impose" their religion on all
their students. Muslims are allowed to enter chapels, churches and other
places of worship as long as they don't participate in the prayers. They
are also not allowed to pray within these places. I know of many
students who are in schools like St Joseph's, St Margarets, CHIJ, CJC,
ACJC, etc. Very common.
Synapse Man
flexible in such extraordinary circumstances. They are even allowed to
eat pork in times of severe crisis like famine or war.
Synapse Man
and cultures. That's one thing, but another is that many of us are too
stubborn to want to learn about others. That's partly how prejudice
comes about.
Another thing is, why can't people leave other people do do their own
thing, think what they want to? I am referring to the Hindu-Muslim
clashes in India, and the Christian-Muslim troubles in Indonesia. I
really, really do think that killing for such reasons is wrong (to me,
and I am sure, to their own religions as well), and totally stupid.
Not trying to sound like what some people reckon to be a "PAP-lapdog",
etc, but I do think that many S'poreans take religious harmony in S'pore
for granted.
Synapse Man wrote:
>
>
Andrew Yeung
wrote:
>I've read in a book about Islam that the Islamic religion is NOT
>inherited. You are not a Muslim just because your parents are Muslim.
>Islam must be embraced upon by free will. The parents may influence the
>child, but he is not a Muslim until he decides to be so. A Muslim is not
>a Muslim if only just by name, but from the heart (just like any other
>religion, I guess).
Something like Bar Mitzvah for jewish and Confirmation for Christians?
>And also, IIRC, no where in the Koran was it specifically mentioned that
>circumcision is compulsory. It was just because followers decided to
>adopt this practice because the Prophet Muhammed was born without a
>foreskin.
Had something to do with God's covenant with Abraham?
Venom
Christian ceremonies etc. This also applies to other non-Christians
Andrew Yeung wrote in message <36aa8acb...@news.pacific.net.sg>...
>
>> is it true that all Malays are muslim by birth and they are not allow
to go to
>> a christian school?
>
Venom
Agung wrote in message <01be460d$6393c3a0$757c74cb@elijah>...
L.Angel
>No, I don't think so. Believe it or not, the Islamic religion is quite
>flexible in such extraordinary circumstances. They are even allowed to
>eat pork in times of severe crisis like famine or war.
That's interesting, most of the time, the things I heard about Islamic
practices make their lawmakers sound like absolutely stick in the
cement kind of tyrants. :P
Agung
preaching in Singapore who teach people not to wish others Merry Christmas
and Happy New Year. Is he or the reporter trying to spread the same kind
of sentiments that is prevalent in Indonesia? Read Berita Minggu 17 Jan
1999.
Synapse Man <huh?@brain.dead.com> wrote in article
<36AAA82B...@brain.dead.com>...
Synapse Man
As for sticking by the book, you may be right if we're talking about
those hardliners in the Middle East, but as far as SE Asia is concerned,
I am pretty sure of what I've mentioned. My Muslim friends told me so,
too.
Bruce
that?
Perhaps the answer is no...it all depends on both parties to take up the
courage to do so...
On the other hand...let's face it...21st century is coming...parents should
be more open minded now...in terms of their children's marriage...
death....@mailcity.com wrote in message
<786k4f$soe$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <78617n$b2c$1...@newton.pacific.net.sg>,
> "Want To Know" <wt_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Can a Chinese guy marry a Malay girl without converting to Islam ? If the
>> guy convert to Islam
>> how would he face his parents ? He is the only son in the family. This
has
>> been the greatest pressure on him.
>> If the guy is not converting to Islam, the Malay girl would not able to
face
>> hers family, relatives and friends
>> after the marriage. Solution, do they have to migrate to foreign land
like
>> Canada, Australia or UK to
>> make things easier for both family ?
>
>Now why the hell should EITHER of them convert? Rebel against
>parents. Who the fuck are they to dominate your every move?
>I am a Christian married to a Muslim girl, fought against my
>parents, opposed them when they said no, got her to come with
>me and we're all still in Singapore. FUCK THEM. Why should any
>one have the power to influence you?
Keriso-The Sharp One
(L.Angel) wrote:
>Synapse Man <huh?@brain.dead.com> wrote:
>
>>No, I don't think so. Believe it or not, the Islamic religion is quite
>>flexible in such extraordinary circumstances. They are even allowed to
>>eat pork in times of severe crisis like famine or war.
>
>That's interesting, most of the time, the things I heard about Islamic
>practices make their lawmakers sound like absolutely stick in the
>cement kind of tyrants. :P
>
I think it will be good if you can try to learn a bit more about the
muslim. I have no prob with the muslim people and as long as they do
not go fundamental, they are an enlightened bunch of people and if you
are a christian, you can have much in common. however, if they are
open and secure in their beliefs, it is also so much fun to debate
with them, as in proverbs says : iron sharpens iron...
however, the majority of the muslim are people who aims and try to
understand the others. The enlightened and secure ones are however
quite few...but the bad apples do make a lot of noise and as a result,
things just get worse from there...
L.Angel
>I think it will be good if you can try to learn a bit more about the
>muslim. I have no prob with the muslim people and as long as they do
>open and secure in their beliefs, it is also so much fun to debate
>with them, as in proverbs says : iron sharpens iron...
Agreed
>however, the majority of the muslim are people who aims and try to
>understand the others. The enlightened and secure ones are however
>quite few...but the bad apples do make a lot of noise and as a result,
>things just get worse from there...
As it is with any religious concerns!
Mary
other for more than 10 years. They figured, marriage is but a piece of
paper. If the Islamic authorities catch them berkhalwat, and marry them, the
guy will have a muslim name but will still live as a punjabi.
Religion forced can never be enforced!
kru...@my-dejanews.com
Would the baee be still be providing for the Malay woman.
What if he found another lover, what legal recourse can
the woman turns to? How about inheritence. How about
children.
Obviously the Punjabi man is a selfish bastard. He should marry her
or leave her.
In article <78hj6d$ese$1...@news6.jaring.my>,
Only time will tell...
BG
<78j5qn$ls9$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>These is fine for the man. Wait till the woman is fifty.
>Would the baee be still be providing for the Malay woman.
>What if he found another lover, what legal recourse can
>the woman turns to? How about inheritence. How about
>children.
>
>Obviously the Punjabi man is a selfish bastard. He should marry her
>or leave her.
If she is not a muslim, I think they will married long time ago,
this is problem created by religion.
It is the "GOD" PROBLEM created by man.
sk...@my-dejanews.com
Oooo, how sweet, krutzy is practicing to be a prophet..
> Would the baee be still be providing for the Malay woman.
New word for you to put in your UMNO dictionary, sweetie bhai, Sikh, not
baeee. Your fine education's showing, dearie.
> What if he found another lover, what legal recourse can
> the woman turns to? How about inheritence. How about
> children.
And sweetie here was sooo concerned about rape by our soon-to-return UMNO
hero.
>
> Obviously the Punjabi man is a selfish bastard. He should marry her
> or leave her.
ooo that hurt.. Perhaps he should join UMNO, rape an underage child, put her
in prison and come out smelling like an UMNO rose ?
Subir De.
only kosy kronies can tell ....
>
> In article <78hj6d$ese$1...@news6.jaring.my>,
> "Mary" <hnc...@pc.jaring.my> wrote:
> > My friend's solution was not to get married. They have been living with each
> > other for more than 10 years. They figured, marriage is but a piece of
> > paper. If the Islamic authorities catch them berkhalwat, and marry them, the
> > guy will have a muslim name but will still live as a punjabi.
> >
> > Religion forced can never be enforced!
> >
> >
>
> Only time will tell...
>
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death....@mailcity.com wrote:
> In article <78617n$b2c$1...@newton.pacific.net.sg>,
> "Want To Know" <wt_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Can a Chinese guy marry a Malay girl without converting to Islam ? If the
> > guy convert to Islam
> > how would he face his parents ? He is the only son in the family. This has
> > been the greatest pressure on him.
> > If the guy is not converting to Islam, the Malay girl would not able to face
> > hers family, relatives and friends
> > after the marriage. Solution, do they have to migrate to foreign land like
> > Canada, Australia or UK to
> > make things easier for both family ?
>
> Now why the hell should EITHER of them convert? Rebel against
> parents. Who the fuck are they to dominate your every move?
> I am a Christian married to a Muslim girl, fought against my
> parents, opposed them when they said no, got her to come with
> me and we're all still in Singapore. FUCK THEM. Why should any
> one have the power to influence you?
That's the spirit. Why convert??? Nobody, and i mean NOBODY can force you
to convert to whatever religion there is out there. Screw these people who
enforce this ridiculous ruling. Where the hell do they think we're in?
COMMUNIST CHINA???? And yes, a Chinese guy can marry a muslim girl without
converting to Islam, have a private ceremony that is!! And if the religious
authorities come after you, just run away. Migrate or something! Sick sick
sick!!!
Mary
fighting with their family, they would be fighting against the
whole society. Malays want to convert the non-muslims. Better
they go somewhere else that accepts them for what they are.
Mar
GunACritta
their bully-boy attitude?
The world is bigger than Malaya! Malaya can't stop the world but the world
sure can stop Malaya!
Mary wrote in message <78m6lr$8kn$1...@news6.jaring.my>...
Ken!!!
herself kidnapped by her family in front of some police who refused to
help...
she ran away and the guy was persecuted by the girl's family.... i
think they ran away from the country...
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:25:18 GMT, and...@pacific.net.sg (Andrew
Yeung) wrote:
>For curiosity's sake,
>
>What is the punishment?
Ken!!!
malaysia as a whole from stepping out from their little xenophobic
bigoted delusion of their own mediocrity into the real world...
i pity malaysia for having citizens like you...
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 01:30:09 GMT, kru...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>These is fine for the man. Wait till the woman is fifty.
>Would the baee be still be providing for the Malay woman.
>What if he found another lover, what legal recourse can
>the woman turns to? How about inheritence. How about
>children.
>
GunACritta
sarong, and live in a smelly hut like the rest of the Mala(z)ys.
Ken!!! wrote in message <36b2bb03...@news.pacific.net.sg>...
Synapse Man
Here's another fine example of ignorance.
You DON'T need to be circumcised.
And also, if you observe carefully, Malay kampungs are always cleaner
and neater than Chinese kampungs. Whenever I see messy, untidy huts in
Malaysia and Singapore, I can be very sure it belongs to a Chinese.
Malays are very house proud people. Even their flats and houses are very
well maintained.
Ken!!!
in the meantime, go learn a thing or two about the malay culture
before vomitting your bile here again...
On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:47:26 +0800, "GunACritta" <lim...@tm.net.my>
piper
wrote:
>Wow...fancy you talking like that when you're (presumably) from M'sia.
>
>Here's another fine example of ignorance.
>
>You DON'T need to be circumcised.
[snip]
Orang masuk Islam tak kena sunat? Tentulah, dia kena, bukan?
Michael
Izzazil
piper wrote:
it is neccessary. for cleanliness..jewish and muslims are circumsized,
and many christians also do...only chinese are scared to death with
circumcision :-)
Synapse Man
misconception that converts must circumcise.
Nakamura Kazumasa
sunat sahaja....
sunat maknanya buat dapat pahala..
tak buat tak dapat pahala lar... tapi tak berdosa....
piper wrote in message <36b651fe...@news.interport.net>...
>On Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:54:34 +0800, Synapse Man <huh?@brain.dead.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Wow...fancy you talking like that when you're (presumably) from M'sia.
>>
>>Here's another fine example of ignorance.
>>
>>You DON'T need to be circumcised.
>[snip]
>
>Orang masuk Islam tak kena sunat? Tentulah, dia kena, bukan?
>
>Michael
michael
[deleted]
>> Orang masuk Islam tak kena sunat? Tentulah, dia kena, bukan?
>
>and many christians also do...only chinese are scared to death with
>circumcision :-)
FYI, Christians are not required to circumcise. :)
Circumcision is a sign of the covenant between the decendents of
Abraham and God and told in Genesis. (ie. the present day Jews
and Arabs ... including those who can trace his lineage to
Abraham)
regards,
michael ... afn2...@afn.org
piper
>it is neccessary. for cleanliness..
No, it's not. Uncircumcized men can keep clean by washing themselves.
>jewish and muslims are circumsized,
>and many christians also do...only chinese are scared to death with
>circumcision :-)
Because they'd have to do it as adults. We Jews are circumcized at the
age of 8 days, and I'm damn glad I can't remember it. I went to many
sunat when I was in Trengganu. The boys were celebrated as heroes with
big kenduris, but I could tell that they were in serious pain. I'm
glad I didn't have to wait until I was 13 or older to get circumcized.
Michael
piper
<kazu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>sebenarnya tak wajib...
>sunat sahaja....
>
>sunat maknanya buat dapat pahala..
Maaf. Apa makna "pahala"?
Untuk orang Yahadi, sunat itulah wajib untuk semua orang lelaki.
[snip]
Michael
Nakamura Kazumasa
the best time for sunat is at the age of 8 days.
Ini ajaran Islam yang sebenar....
Orang Melayu... ntah apa apa...
ikut Islam ker ikut adat....
I also donno...
piper wrote in message <36b68c3a...@news.interport.net>...
Izzazil
michael wrote:
> Circumcision is a sign of the covenant between the decendents of
> Abraham and God and told in Genesis. (ie. the present day Jews
> and Arabs ... including those who can trace his lineage to
> Abraham)
circumcision has a lot of medical benefits. don't you agree?
Izzazil
> piper wrote in message <36b68c3a...@news.interport.net>...
> >On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:14:47 +0800, Izzazil <wsw...@mimos.my> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>it is neccessary. for cleanliness..
> >
> >No, it's not. Uncircumcized men can keep clean by washing themselves.
can too, but still bacterium can get multiplied under the excess skin.
tried
not to wash it for a day, you can smell the stink.
> >Because they'd have to do it as adults. We Jews are circumcized at the
> >age of 8 days, and I'm damn glad I can't remember it. I went to many
> >sunat when I was in Trengganu. The boys were celebrated as heroes with
> >big kenduris, but I could tell that they were in serious pain. I'm
> >glad I didn't have to wait until I was 13 or older to get circumcized.
modern days, circumcision are no more hurtful and painful. moreover
the excees skin don't contain too much nerve cells, don't believe me
try to pinch it, and then pinch the skin at your tight..and compare the
pain..
hahahhahha
sk...@my-dejanews.com
Izzazil <wsw...@mimos.my> wrote:
>
>
> piper wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:54:34 +0800, Synapse Man <huh?@brain.dead.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Wow...fancy you talking like that when you're (presumably) from M'sia.
> > >
> > >Here's another fine example of ignorance.
> > >
> > >You DON'T need to be circumcised.
> > [snip]
> >
>
> it is neccessary. for cleanliness..jewish and muslims are circumsized,
perhaps, the news that soap is now available cheaply has not reached the ears
of the truly cleansed of the 20th century
> and many christians also do...only chinese are scared to death with
> circumcision :-)
As we Indians are.. of losing that extra little feeling of pleasure that God
has gifted us with.
Subir De.
>
>
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*fairplay*
Wan Sabeng Wan Adini wrote:
>
>
> circumsized people also are very clean, muslims espcially
> wash their private parts everytime after they pass water.
> non-muslims do not wash and they are not circumsized,
> can you imagine the smell!
Izzazil
sk...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > and many christians also do...only chinese are scared to death with
> > circumcision :-)
>
> As we Indians are.. of losing that extra little feeling of pleasure that God
> has gifted us with.
and how do circumsized people can lose the pleasure. in fact many medical
journals confirm the benefits of circumcision.
michael
Not necessarily.
No circumcision can replace good personal hygiene
of our genitals. :)
regards,
michael ... afn2...@afn.org
Wan Sabeng Wan Adini
michael wrote:
circumsized people also are very clean, muslims espcially
scott
Wan Sabeng Wan Adini wrote:
piper
>
>
>
>> piper wrote in message <36b68c3a...@news.interport.net>...
>> >On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:14:47 +0800, Izzazil <wsw...@mimos.my> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>it is neccessary. for cleanliness..
>> >
>> >No, it's not. Uncircumcized men can keep clean by washing themselves.
>
>can too, but still bacterium can get multiplied under the excess skin.
>tried
>not to wash it for a day, you can smell the stink.
I assume you're speaking from personal experience? :-)
>
>> >Because they'd have to do it as adults. We Jews are circumcized at the
>> >age of 8 days, and I'm damn glad I can't remember it. I went to many
>> >sunat when I was in Trengganu. The boys were celebrated as heroes with
>> >big kenduris, but I could tell that they were in serious pain. I'm
>> >glad I didn't have to wait until I was 13 or older to get circumcized.
>
>modern days, circumcision are no more hurtful and painful. moreover
>the excees skin don't contain too much nerve cells, don't believe me
>try to pinch it, and then pinch the skin at your tight..and compare the
>pain..
>hahahhahha
No can do. I have no foreskin.
Michael
piper
>circumcision has a lot of medical benefits. don't you agree?
From one circumcized man to another: Do any scientific studies show
these alleged benefits?
Michael
Izzazil
piper wrote:
yes, there are. I have read one article, I will forward it here if
I could find it again.
Izzazil
piper wrote:
> >not to wash it for a day, you can smell the stink.
>
> I assume you're speaking from personal experience? :-)
>
of course. I was circumsized when I was 14. I can see the different
before and after circumcision..haha.
> >modern days, circumcision are no more hurtful and painful. moreover
> >the excees skin don't contain too much nerve cells, don't believe me
>
> No can do. I have no foreskin.
not necessarily the foreskin, skin around will also do :-)
Izzazil
scott wrote:
> Ha! You smell people's dicks? What an asshole! An ignorant one too!
I don't smell, but one doctor I met told me that!
piper
I'll be waiting with interest.
Michael
piper
>
>
>piper wrote:
>
>> >not to wash it for a day, you can smell the stink.
>>
>> I assume you're speaking from personal experience? :-)
>>
>
>of course. I was circumsized when I was 14. I can see the different
>before and after circumcision..haha.
Well, I normally take a shower every day anyway. :-)
And in Europe, they have bidets, and they are careful to wash their
privates, thus decreasing the transmission of sexually transmitted
diseases.
>
>> >modern days, circumcision are no more hurtful and painful. moreover
>> >the excees skin don't contain too much nerve cells, don't believe me
>>
>
>> No can do. I have no foreskin.
>
>not necessarily the foreskin, skin around will also do :-)
Well, if you must know, the whole organ is sensitive in my case. I
don't know about your case. :-)
Michael