swine flu idiots! Why no flu deaths so far?
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
are from normal flu.
How could Australian experts ever deem swine flu to be MILDER than
normal flu?
The difference in the deaths will determine the severity of Swine flu
over normal flu. If there are 10 swine flu deaths with only one normal
flu, it will mean that there will be 25,000 deaths due to Swine Flu
compared to 2,500 for normal flu.
Remember that some types of normal flu is already resistant to
Tamilflu but these are still rare, whereas swine flu is supposed to be
treatable with TAmilflu and yet it had caused 5 deaths in Australia
alone.
No details on the usage of Tamilfu but in Thailand and Chile, they had
used Tamilflu and yet patients still die.
What makes Swine flu dangerous is not its effects. It is much milder
than SARS but people take it so lightly that it will kill far more
than SARS just as normal flu is, expect that swine flu is many times
more lethal than normal flu, not milder. Australian so called experts
should wake up and study their facts clearly.
Peace
much more concern about deaths due to suicide bombers? I have yet to see you
write about them....about deaths due to suicide bombers... Thanks..
"Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" <oth...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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oikia
rid the country of crooked politicians?
"Peace" <pe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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yansimon52
> To Haji, suicide bombers are martyres. Is he going to be a suicide bomber to
> rid the country of crooked politicians?"Peace" <pe...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:h25j16$mfr$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > Why are you so concerned about deaths due to swine flu? Should you not be
> > much more concern about deaths due to suicide bombers? I have yet to see
> > you write about them....about deaths due to suicide bombers... Thanks..
>
> >news:a9c6dd0d-d6e3-46d2...@p36g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> >> Swine flu had claimed 5 Australian deaths so far and yet none of them
> >> are from normal flu.
>
> >> How could Australian experts ever deem swine flu to be MILDER than
> >> normal flu?
>
> >> The difference in the deaths will determine the severity of Swine flu
> >> over normal flu. If there are 10 swine flu deaths with only one normal
> >> flu, it will mean that there will be 25,000 deaths due to Swine Flu
> >> compared to 2,500 for normal flu.
>
> >> Remember that some types of normal flu is already resistant to
> >> Tamilflu but these are still rare, whereas swine flu is supposed to be
> >> treatable with TAmilflu and yet it had caused 5 deaths in Australia
> >> alone.
>
> >> No details on the usage of Tamilfu but in Thailand and Chile, they had
> >> used Tamilflu and yet patients still die.
>
> >> What makes Swine flu dangerous is not its effects. It is much milder
> >> than SARS but people take it so lightly that it will kill far more
> >> than SARS just as normal flu is, expect that swine flu is many times
> >> more lethal than normal flu, not milder. Australian so called experts
> >> should wake up and study their facts clearly.
Why not?....Haji is going to be a sucide bomber one day..........cos,
anything can happen to a muslim........today he is a very very nice
person.......tomorrow can be a damn mother
fucker......LOL........LOL....
Come to think of it............to summarise the whole quran.........it
should be labelled as 'no trouble but always looking for trouble' holy
book'.......cos, where to find a so-called religious
belief...........where the whole islamic committee official endorsed
'killing or revenge' by issuing 'Fatwah' against its
rival..........they could even issue fatwah to their own islamic bros
(ie.......suunis against shiites and vice verses)
The Cynic
"Paul Saccani" <sac...@omen.net.au> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:05:58 -0700 (PDT), "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj.
> Ahmad" <oth...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>Swine flu had claimed 5 Australian deaths so far and yet none of them
>>are from normal flu.
>
>
>>How could Australian experts ever deem swine flu to be MILDER than
>>normal flu?
>
> know what he is talking about.
>
> Clue: The case rate isn't the infection rate. An enormous number of
> people have been infected with this disease without requireing medical
> treatment, indeed, without even realising that they don't have a
> common cold. Thus they don't show in case statistics.
>
>>The difference in the deaths will determine the severity of Swine flu
>>over normal flu. If there are 10 swine flu deaths with only one normal
>>flu, it will mean that there will be 25,000 deaths due to Swine Flu
>>compared to 2,500 for normal flu.
>
> here on the outside, it doesn't.
>
>>Remember that some types of normal flu is already resistant to
>>Tamilflu but these are still rare, whereas swine flu is supposed to be
>>treatable with TAmilflu and yet it had caused 5 deaths in Australia
>>alone.
>
> assume that having an infection and being dead is a causal
> relationship. With these patients, that is a dangerous conclusion to
> draw. Certainly, the West Australian who died did *not* die from
> A(h1N1) infection, though he did have it.
>
>>No details on the usage of Tamilfu but in Thailand and Chile, they had
>>used Tamilflu and yet patients still die.
>
>
>>What makes Swine flu dangerous is not its effects. It is much milder
>>than SARS but people take it so lightly that it will kill far more
>>than SARS just as normal flu is, expect that swine flu is many times
>>more lethal than normal flu, not milder. Australian so called experts
>>should wake up and study their facts clearly.
>
> *before* making statements like this.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> Paul Saccani
> Perth, Western Australia.
I wonder why the learned Haji is hysterical over swine flu because:
Allah created every [living] creature from water. Some of them go on their
bellies, some of them on two legs, and some on four. Allah creates whatever
He wills. Allah has power over all things. (Qur'an, 24:45) - extracted from
http://searchwarp.com/swa346424.htm
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
> On Sat,27Jun200906:05:58-0700(PDT), "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj.
>
> Ahmad" <othm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> >Swine flu had claimed5Australian deaths so far and yet none of them
> >are from normal flu.
>
> False - that hasn't been determined yet.
I think you should read the news more often instead of relying on your
imagination and illusion.
These 5 are those that are confirmed to have swine flu lah!!!!
Whether Swine flu contributed to their deaths is not confirmed yet but
common sense should decide for yourself.
One thing is certain, without Swine Flu, these 5 will not have died.
They have survived flu for so many years and still survive but not the
SWINE FLU.
Use your head for once.
Stephen Young
wrote:
> On Jun 28, 12:48 pm, Paul Saccani <sacc...@omen.net.au> wrote:
>
> > On Sat,27Jun200906:05:58-0700(PDT), "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj.
>
> > Ahmad" <othm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> > >Swine flu had claimed5Australian deaths so far and yet none of them
> > >are from normal flu.
>
> > False - that hasn't been determined yet.
>
> I think you should read the news more often instead of relying on your
> imagination and illusion.
>
> These 5 are those that are confirmed to have swine flu lah!!!!
>
> Whether Swine flu contributed to their deaths is not confirmed yet but
> common sense should decide for yourself.
>
> One thing is certain, without Swine Flu, these 5 will not have died.
> They have survived flu for so many years and still survive but not the
> SWINE FLU.
>
> Use your head for once.
Thousands have died from "normal" flu since this outbreak started.
Also I think you should use your head. What he was saying is that flu
death statistics unrelated to swine flu, have not been determined yet.
Kthxbye
baldeagle
Stephen Young wrote:
> On Jun 29, 3:28 pm, "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" <othm...@lycos.com>
> >
> > Use your head for once.
>
> Thousands have died from "normal" flu since this outbreak started.
>
> Also I think you should use your head. What he was saying is that flu
> death statistics unrelated to swine flu, have not been determined yet.
>
Yes. Since we are born with a brain, we should use it (our brain)
EVERY YEAR, seasonal flu, kill 30,000 Americans. This is before
the recent swine flu outbreak..(see Reuters' report below)
How many Americans have died from Swine flu...less than 200.
In comparison, seasonal flu is much more deadly than swine flu.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5432PU20090504
Quote:
"Seasonal flu kills more than 30,000 Americans each year and
costs the economy more than $90 billion."
baldeagle
Stephen Young wrote:
> On Jun 29, 3:28 pm, "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" <othm...@lycos.com>
> >
> > Use your head for once.
>
> Thousands have died from "normal" flu since this outbreak started.
>
> Also I think you should use your head. What he was saying is that flu
> death statistics unrelated to swine flu, have not been determined yet.
>
Yes. Since we are born with a brain, we should use it (our brain)
CKSF
Psst ... this Haji ain't too bright.
baldeagle
Stephen Young wrote:
>
> Thousands have died from "normal" flu since this outbreak started.
>
In the 12 months BEFORE the outbreak of swine, more than
30,000 had died from seasonal flu in the USA. According to
Reuters, seasonal flu has been killing huge number of Americans
every year....yes EVERY YEAR.
Yes. Common flu is still killing thousands of Americans a
month.
How many people had been killed by Swine flu world wide ?
As at today, 263 fatal cases, mainly in Mexico, USA and
Europeans.
The Cynic
"CKSF" <agl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I suppose he is still in the incandescent light bulb era. LOL
CKSF
> >Psst ... this Haji ain't too bright.
>
>
You are too kind. LOL
Next thing you know he will start blaming the H1N1 virus on light
bulbs. People do catch the flu after fixing the light bulb. Some even
die!!
Argh ... even the PhDs don't know this. LOL
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
> On Mon,29Jun200907:28:30-0700(PDT), "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj.
>
...
> Well, dickhead, I just told you that it hasn't been determined yet.
>
> You admit you are making a false claim.
How can you be so sure? It has not been determined yet. By common
sense, it is due to Swine Flu. Similarly for all the deaths for normal
flu.
>
> At least one of those deaths was NOT due to A(H1N1) to my knowledge,
> but hey, lets not let the facts get in the way, you never do.
>
> >One thing is certain, without Swine Flu, these5will not have died.
>
> Well, no, actually, that statement is false. A(H1N1) infection was
> present but not the cause of death of our patient that died of several
How do you know for sure?
> underlying serious illnesses, such as kidney failure, no doubt
> complicated by the viral pneumonia caused by A(H1N1).
So what does the phare, without Swine Flu, these people would not have
to die?
That is why WHO and other doctors that use common sense, attribute
these deaths as due to Swine Flu.
>
> But you know so much more, don't you?
Of course I did because I read much more than you.
And worse, you and your politically motivated government is listening
to idiots like you instead of all the intelligent scientists that base
their judgements on facts, not on stupid facts like normal flu kill
30,000 in one year in USA alone making it more serious than bird flu,
SARS and swine flu, that has killed less than 1000 so far.
>
> >They have survived flu for so many years and still survive but not the
> >SWINE FLU.
>
> Tell that to the thousands of Australians that die from seasonal
> influenza every year, despite vaccinations being available.
Did they take these vaccinations? Of course they don't but how about
these 5?
Why don't they die of normal flu, idiot?
Isn't normal flu more common and as you and your stupid kind claimed,
more deadly than Swine flu.
>
> >Use your head for once.
>
> You must have two dicks, no one gets this stupid from pulling one.
Why don't you answer the question as to why they don't die of normal
flu that you claimed to be more deadly????
Now where are your thousands of flu deaths now?
Have they been swallowed by Swine Flu which your stupid brain claim to
be milder than common flu?
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
<forestsageisasquir...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Jun29,3:28 pm, "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" <othm...@lycos.com>
> wrote:
>
...
> > One thing is certain, without Swine Flu, these5will not have died.
> > They have survived flu for so many years and still survive but not the
> > SWINE FLU.
>
> > Use your head for once.
>
> Thousands have died from "normal" flu since this outbreak started.
For how long? 2 months?
It was for 1 full year.
Imagine how many deaths due to swine flu if you don't take
precautions?
When these 5, who survive the normal flu epidemic that killed
thousands, died out of Swine Flu DESPITE PRECAUTIONS!!!!
It will be 5-10 times more deaths in ONE YEAR due to Swine Flu if you
continue as it is now, i.e. limited precautions and wild illusion that
Swine Flu is milder than normal flu.
>
> Also I think you should use your head. What he was saying is that flu
> death statistics unrelated to swine flu, have not been determined yet.
> Kthxbye
Do you know anything about statistics?
If not, why do you compare the deaths for 2 months of very infectious
diseases where one person can infect hundreds in one day ALONE, with
those deaths that cover 1 full year despite no precautions at all?
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
> Stephen Young wrote:
> > On Jun29,3:28 pm, "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" <othm...@lycos.com>
>
...
> EVERY YEAR, seasonal flu, kill30,000Americans. This is before
> the recent swine flu outbreak..(see Reuters' report below)
That is for 12 months.
> How many Americans have died from Swine flu...less than200.
This is for 2 months and growing exponentially. In one year, how many
deaths will it be?
CAn you do some simple maths???
In 4 months , it will be 200x200
In 6 months, it will be 200x200x200
Especially when US still take similar level of preventive measures and
no vaccine being available at all.
>
> In comparison, seasonal flu is much more deadly than swine flu.
In 8 million in 6 months more deadly than 30,000 in 1 year??
Only idiots can make such comparison.
Go back to your maths class.
...
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
> On Jun29,11:00pm, "The Cynic" <kosong...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > >Psst ... this Haji ain't too bright.
>
> > I suppose he is still in the incandescent light bulb era. LOL- Hide quoted text -
>
> You are too kind. LOL
>
> bulbs. People do catch the flu after fixing the light bulb. Some even
> die!!
>
> Argh ... even the PhDs don't know this. LOL
Especially PhDs who can't even count properly.
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
> On Sat,27Jun200906:05:58-0700(PDT), "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj.
>
> Ahmad" <othm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> >are from normal flu.
...
> >The difference in the deaths will determine the severity of Swine flu
> >over normal flu. If there are10swine flu deaths with only one normal
> >flu, it will mean that there will be25,000deaths due to Swine Flu
> >compared to2,500for normal flu.
The statement above is just common sense.
>
> That probably makes sense within the resonant cavity of your head, but
> here on the outside, it doesn't.
If you reject a simple common sense then you don't have any common
sense at all.
No wonder you are such a racist bastard.
>
> >Remember that some types of normal flu is already resistant to
> >Tamilflu but these are still rare, whereas swine flu is supposed to be
> >treatable with TAmilflu and yet it had caused5deaths in Australia
> >alone.
>
> We have yet to attribute any deaths in Australia to A(H1N1) - you
Similarly for normal flu. None of the deaths attributed to flu was
caused directly by flu but without the flu, these patients would not
have died. That is why, these deaths are attributed to common flu.
> assume that having an infection and being dead is a causal
> relationship. With these patients, that is a dangerous conclusion to
> draw. Certainly, the West Australian who died did *not* die from
Why do you draw such conclusion for common flu, but not for Swine Flu?
Do you love pigs so much that you have lost your common sense?
> A(h1N1) infection, though he did have it.
>
> >No details on the usage of Tamilfu but in Thailand and Chile, they had
> >used Tamilflu and yet patients still die.
>
> That's hardly surprising - it is a treatment, not magic.
>
> >What makes Swine flu dangerous is not its effects. It is much milder
> >than SARS but people take it so lightly that it will kill far more
> >than SARS just as normal flu is, expect that swine flu is many times
> >more lethal than normal flu, not milder. Australian so called experts
> >should wake up and study their facts clearly.
>
> You should really try hard to pull your head out of your behind
> *before* making statements like this.
It is your life that is at stake, not mine. Our government is taking
the swine flu threat seriously despite failing to contain it. The
only hope we have is to delay the spread of the Swine Flu unlike
Victoria that has already suffered 8 deaths so far, with none for
common flu.
Fortunately, the other states are taking precautions despite their
ineffectiveness.
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
> On Wed,1Jul200907:05:36-0700(PDT), "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj.
>
...
> A vaccine has been in production since12June. Evidently, you know
> shit.
It will take 6 months to be deployed. It is very obvious that you are
an utter idiot pretending to be clever, and yet don't even bother to
read articles in full.
>
> >> In comparison, seasonal flu is much more deadly than swine flu.
>
> >In8million in6months more deadly than30,000in1year??
> >Only idiots can make such comparison.
> >Go back to your maths class.
>
> So, when8million people are NOT dead from A(H1N1) in the USA in four
> months time, I take it that you will admit that you are an idiot and
> apologise for all the crap that you have talked?
Why don't you calculate yourself, if you are not an idiot?
200 in 2 months for an infecious disease is a lot. It will be
200x200x200 in 6 months.
You think it is 200+200+200? Idiot.
Of course there is a cap because based on the latest fatality rate for
Swine flu it is 0.3% i.e. 0.3/100*300 million, which is 900 thousands
compared to only 30 thousands for normal flu. The bad thing about
swine flu is that these deaths also include people of all ages at the
high percentage of 0.3%, instead of 0.003% for normal flu.
Many argue that there are many cases not reported but there are many
deaths due to Swine flu that are not reported as well. It is very
clearly shown in Argentina.
>
> Fat chance, almost as fat as your head.
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:59:48 -0700 (PDT), "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj.
>
> Ahmad" <othm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 2, 9:47 pm, Paul Saccani <sacc...@omen.net.au> wrote:
> >> On Wed,1Jul200907:05:36-0700(PDT), "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj.
>
...
> >Why don't you calculate yourself, if you are not an idiot?
> >200 in 2 months for an infecious disease is a lot. It will be
> >200x200x200 in 6 months.
>
> >You think it is 200+200+200? Idiot.
>
> I think you are an idiot, for what it's worth. I say again,
There is already a dispute by epidemiologists on figures interpreted
by mathematically trained modellers in UK.
It appears to me that epidemiologists are not sufficiently trained in
mathematical methods saying that this modelling is not common sense.
It is perfectly common sense based on the data. We interpret data
based on what is avialable. What is not available is nonsense. Your
hunches do not count.
When you quote a figure of 200 deaths due to infectious diseases, you
are refering to 200 x 200 x200 IN 6 months, subject to a cap, induced
by the lack of population.
So never treat 200 deaths in 2 months as minor deaths, compared to
30,000 in a year. You are just bloody idiot if you don't know this.
Doctors should be better trained in mathematics before they start
interpreting their statistical data.
...
> >because based on the latest fatality rate for
> >Swine flu it is 0.3% i.e. 0.3/100*300 million, which is 900 thousands
> >compared to only 30 thousands for normal flu. The bad thing about
> >swine flu is that these deaths also include people of all ages at the
> >high percentage of 0.3%, instead of 0.003% for normal flu.
>
> Those are not the relevant percentages, you have made basic errors of
> fact and arithmetic.
Why don't you point out the erors? Instead of making even more errors
in the process. Treating annual as total number of years, for
instance, instead of yearly, i.e. year by year.
>
> >Many argue that there are many cases not reported but there are many
> >deaths due to Swine flu that are not reported as well. It is very
> >clearly shown in Argentina.
>
> More drivel, because you don't have the balls to stand behind your
> claim that in four months time A(H1N1) deaths in the USA will total 8
> million.
I never claim these number of deaths. I only claimed the implication
of 200 deaths in 2 months. It is just common mathematical sense which
apparently you don't have any at all.
...
baldeagle
wrote:
>
> Go back to your maths class.
> ...
What for....
Better to spend your time....making all the
girls happy. Do you know how ?