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arane...@yahoo.com

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Mar 26, 2001, 2:09:01 AM3/26/01
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When I compared UTM staffs' standard with Multimedia University, it is very
clear that UTM will be in "pariah" class with its pariah lecturers. People
with very poor academic result can be appointed as lectuers in UTM is amazing
"Malaysia boleh".

UTM is a local U with 100% bumi teaching staffs in many faculties is telling
me their lecturer intake is based on color skin, not academic excellence. I'm
personally know some UTM lecturers with very terrible poor result is a tragic
to UTM future.

Multimedia U has a very clear policy on lecturer qualification requirement
compared with UTM. I know many pariah lecturers in UTM with only degree
qualification compared with PhD needed in Multimedia U.

Shame on you, UTM.


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Aint-No-Saint

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Mar 27, 2001, 8:59:34 AM3/27/01
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known fact. :)

Simon

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Mar 27, 2001, 10:59:40 AM3/27/01
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On 26 Mar 2001 07:09:01 GMT, arane...@yahoo.com wrote:

>When I compared UTM staffs' standard with Multimedia University, it is very
>clear that UTM will be in "pariah" class with its pariah lecturers. People
>with very poor academic result can be appointed as lectuers in UTM is amazing
>"Malaysia boleh".

>UTM is a local U with 100% bumi teaching staffs in many faculties is telling
>me their lecturer intake is based on color skin, not academic excellence. I'm
>personally know some UTM lecturers with very terrible poor result is a tragic
>to UTM future.

>Multimedia U has a very clear policy on lecturer qualification requirement
>compared with UTM. I know many pariah lecturers in UTM with only degree
>qualification compared with PhD needed in Multimedia U.

>Shame on you, UTM.

A while back, I thought I saw an article on SCM about computer science lecturer
in Multimedia University say AMD is a non-Intel-compatible processors? All
peripherals designs are different? And complaining about the sleeping
administrator who make a file as large as 20 Mb for students to download over
the slow slow Network connection?

Hsu

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Mar 27, 2001, 11:21:09 AM3/27/01
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Gosh I hope you are not from Multimedia University, coz someone did not
read up the facts before making statements! I hope your "facts" are
true.

1. I hope you are not attempting to do "marketing" for MMU this way, coz
what you are doing is almost certainly going to back fire!

2. Please read the newspaper ads by Multimedia University in major
newspapers. MMU requires masters/PhD, not just PhD. FYI, I know of at
least one lecturer/tutor who holds only a undergrad degree. Note that I
am not speculating on the implication of having undergrads teaching
undergrads, it is merely to refute your claim that MMU has only PhD
lecturers.

3. I tell you what... if all of the lecturer/tutor below are PhD
holders, then reply and continue your argument. Otherwise, leave
Multimedia University and it's list of
some-yet-to-be-"fully"-approved/recognized/accreditated courses out of
your comparison...
(reasoning: to date, there's been no official notice of any kind
whatsoever regarding the approval/recognition/accreditation by relevant
parties (eg. Accounting - MIA))
I have only heard rumors, but I do not wish to be a rumor-monger...

4. FYI, there's AT LEAST 1 lecturer/tutor listed below who GRADUATED
FROM MULTIMEDIA UNIVERSITY. That person holds a undergraduate degree
from Multimedia University. So your "claim" that MMU lecturers/tutors
are all PhD holders = false & inaccurate.

As a student from Multimedia University, I beg of you... don't compare
Multimedia University with a university "in another league"...

I hereby enclose a "almost" complete list of lecturers/tutors from
Multimedia University.

<arane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:99mpud$mus$1...@news.netmar.com...
: When I compared UTM staffs' standard with Multimedia University, it is


very
: clear that UTM will be in "pariah" class with its pariah lecturers.
People
: with very poor academic result can be appointed as lectuers in UTM is
amazing
: "Malaysia boleh".
:
: UTM is a local U with 100% bumi teaching staffs in many faculties is
telling
: me their lecturer intake is based on color skin, not academic
excellence. I'm
: personally know some UTM lecturers with very terrible poor result is a
tragic
: to UTM future.
:
: Multimedia U has a very clear policy on lecturer qualification
requirement
: compared with UTM. I know many pariah lecturers in UTM with only
degree
: qualification compared with PhD needed in Multimedia U.
:
: Shame on you, UTM.


Note: Some may not be lecturers/tutors but staff of respective Faculty.

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INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY(FIT)
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TECHNOLOGY(FIT)
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<arane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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: When I compared UTM staffs' standard with Multimedia University, it is

Hsu

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Mar 27, 2001, 11:26:39 AM3/27/01
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Which fact? That UTM is "pariah"?
I don't know, coz I am not a student there.
So I am not in a position to comment.
However, sorry to "splash cold water" on your MMU "marketing" attempt,
but NOT all lecturers/tutors of Multimedia University are PhD holders. I
am almost certain, if not absolutely certain that NO universities in any
part of the world has only PhD holders as lecturers/tutors... of course,
I have not been around the world, but I am quite certain. It is similar
to the case where one "very" high-ranking staff at MMU claimed that MMU
is the only institution to offer online learning in the world... I could
not give him other examples off hand at that time, however, upon
reaching home, I e-mailed this particular person with proof and he said
he "would look into it"... I hope he did.

Back to the which fact statement.
You referring to MMU?
Then you've certainly got your "facts" wrong...
Embark on a "fact-finding" search in major English newspapers...

"Aint-No-Saint" <chr...@maxis.net.my> wrote in message
news:3ac09cbd...@news.tm.net.my...
: known fact. :)


Hsu

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Mar 27, 2001, 11:56:53 AM3/27/01
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No one institution is perfect...

Multimedia University has it's share of problems...

So does UTM...

Yes, indeed a lecturer lecturing on an introductory IT course to
Business students said that AMD processors were incompatible with Intel
processors. However, upon being pointed to the error, he corrected it
immediately.

And you inflated the size of the file to be downloaded. It's only about
10-15 MBs. And yet, I still feel that posting 10 MB Powerpoint slides is
sloppy work by lazy lecturers! Powerpoint is for presentation, not for
lecture notes!!! Oh yes, and that strange and hardly used file type (and
the download page URL given by the lecturer for the program to read that
file type did not had any link to download the program) But then again,
MMU is apart of the Telekom Malaysia group (whose Ring Ring card is
almost always engaged, and I had to go to two different Telekom Malaysia
office to get rebates that are due to me by virtue of my subscription to
a promotional package, and that rebate was only credited to my account
approximtely 3 months slower than supposed to be, and a whole lot of
other issues I shall not cover here)... err... where was I... yes...
apart of Telekom Malaysia group, and most, if not all, connection to the
Internet requires the use of Telekom Malaysia's fixed lines (hint: RM 21
monthly subscription, connection fees, etc) ;) But of course, there's
also a lot of hardworking lecturers who prepare good lecture notes
(although their HTML skills still suck a little, maybe they don't know
FP2K exists... oh yes, MMU don't have FP2K installed :)) gosh... I'm
going off topic...

MMU is not as world class as it aims to be, of course, if it is world
class, then it would not have to "AIM" to be world-class anymore... Once
again, I am not going to speculate "what world" MMU aims to be in...
(clue: KLIA: _ _ _ _ _ class facilities, _ _ _ _ _ service?)

Okay?

Yes, I am still not satisfied with the claim that MMU wants to be world
class (it's so fake! especially for a young University to have an aim
like that!) A visit to the online bulletin board (accessible from
homepage of MMU) and viewing some of the announcements will speak
volumes... Just note the writing style used (Hint: Manglish)

There's of course the better side of MMU, but I am not paid to do any
marketing, so I will leave that to you to find out yourself... FYI, my
previous criticisms may be harsh, but no part of it was fabricated.

I previously posted many messages (mostly with the title MMU SUCKS or
some variation) Among others:

1. Virus (I believe for a world class MULTIMEDIA!!! institution, the
first thing that should not be on MMU's servers/computers are viruses...
of course, if it is a new virus, it is fair to give a time frame of
maybe one week or so... but when I posted those messages, that infected
file was there for months!!! Of late, I have not encountered any such
cases anymore... a thumbs up, maybe?

2. Poorly trained lecturers/tutors... of late, I have not encountered
any. Previously, I had some who cried because the class was noisy, and
some (as mentioned) who claimed AMD's incompatible with Intel (LOL!)
Another thumbs up, maybe?

3. Of course, now there's one/two VERY annoying departments who hassle
students with updating the student profile... this "exercise" was done
twice in the last 6 months!!! Also, we had to upload our photo... I
remember giving the Uni at least 4 (although somehow I think it was 8
pieces!) of photos to MMU during registration... where's all those??? I
already updated my student profile the first time they made the
announcement. Yet, a couple of months later, they come up with this so
called online update and threatens to bar students who dont update
them... so I had to update twice, once manually by filling in a form,
and second, online... if the online announcements/webpage itself is
hassle free, fine... sad to say, it wasn't, initially. I usually will be
the first one off the block to do what they request (at least I think
so, since I check the notice board at least 3 times a day, and when that
online update notice came, I immediately tried to update my profile...)
First - the notice was in March, yet initially, it was stated in the
notice that the online update was from x February to xx February (the
error has since been corrected)... Second - I tried to update mine from
off campus... page not found! Third - Dates changed to March x to March
xx. Tried off campus, gets a auto response message saying "unbalanced"
(what the heck that means I dont know) Fourth - Initially, a contact
e-mail was given. However, subsequent updates of the notice removed the
contact e-mail... so who to contact if there's problem... Fifth -
instructions page was missing (problem corrected already) and on and
on... I cant remember all...

In a nutshell... there's the pros, and there's the cons... so you weigh
them yourself...

"Simon" <#sl...@freeserve.nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2ud1ct4l009ou50kg...@4ax.com...

NOTE: I have a presentation to do tomorrow, and I did not have time to
proof-read this posting... I believe there could be errors. Could be,
not necessarily. Nevertheless, there could be errors...


Simon

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Mar 27, 2001, 12:23:42 PM3/27/01
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:26:39 +0800, "Hsu" <pcsh...@pd.jaring.my> wrote:

>Which fact? That UTM is "pariah"?
>I don't know, coz I am not a student there.
>So I am not in a position to comment.
>However, sorry to "splash cold water" on your MMU "marketing" attempt,
>but NOT all lecturers/tutors of Multimedia University are PhD holders. I
>am almost certain, if not absolutely certain that NO universities in any
>part of the world has only PhD holders as lecturers/tutors... of course,
>I have not been around the world, but I am quite certain. It is similar
>to the case where one "very" high-ranking staff at MMU claimed that MMU
>is the only institution to offer online learning in the world... I could
>not give him other examples off hand at that time, however, upon
>reaching home, I e-mailed this particular person with proof and he said
>he "would look into it"... I hope he did.

I would have agreed with you if you say no single university in any part of the
world has only Professors as lecturers. Put local college and local university
aside, most university in overseas require at least a doctrate in order to
become a lecturer. Some of the lecturers in Imperial College, Cambridge
University, etc. probably have title longer than our Agong or our PM ;-)

Actually it doesn't matter that much as long as they are knowledgeble enough to
teach and presentable enough so that the student would not fall asleep ;-)

Simon

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Mar 27, 2001, 3:44:00 PM3/27/01
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:56:53 +0800, "Hsu" <pcsh...@pd.jaring.my> wrote:

Forgive me saying this but I think local institution lack of proper coordination
and standardization. Could you imagine a module offered in overseas university
has been running for the past 10 years with very little modification over the
year and taught by the same lecturer for the past 10 years? Lecture notes being
revised for the first few years and consistent after that? Lecturers are able to
put the right emphasis on topics which previous years student are not good at.
They are able to standardize things out and preparing the schedule of teaching
which has not been changed for over the years. They stick to the schedule very
closely. Whereas in Malaysia, some modules might have been taught under 2 or 3
different lecturers over just one semester. I can't blame them because the wages
offered by the local institute are very low, whenever they are offered a better
pay, they would leave the lecturing arena. Things are hard to get standardized
this way.

The other problem is lack of coordination, I have been to local institution
before, I couldn't remember how many time I went for lecture and found out that
the lecturer is absent, timetable clashes, exam postponded, special occasion,
etc. They do not have a proper scheduling for the whole course for example W1
Chaper 1, W2 Chapter 2, and so on. Maybe they have, but they do not follow it
closely. Whereas in overseas university, these dates are fix, W1 Chapter 1,
coursework due date W2, W2 Chapter 2, W3 Tutorial class, W4 coursework
submission and so on. If you try to ask the lecturer to change the submission
due date, he would tell you, "I have been running the course for 10 years now,
every year my students are able to hand in the coursework on time, why can't
you?". A certain topic must finish within that period, no extension, no class
cancellation. Lecturer lecturing over the past 10 years, this would make him an
expert in the field he is teaching obviously. He can point out mistakes in books
instead of students coming to the lecturer and correct them by showing them some
books.

I mean this is the direction where Malaysian Institution should be heading. I do
see Malaysia complaining about lack of personnels in this field but pay them
very little. They fail to realize that personnels need to be develop over the
years and not importing from India or various place, after a few years these
people leave, new batch coming in. This isn't the right way.

I see Malaysia investing a lot of money on new facilities which is a good thing,
I think it is about time Malaysia should spend some money on developing good
personnels (ie professionals) by not cutting corners (In other words, make them
stay).

I don't mean to say local institute are bad and produce poor quality graduates,
but I do think a constructive criticism is always good to improve ourselves. In
this case, Malaysian Institutes do have rooms for further improvements.

Lim Siam Kim

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Mar 27, 2001, 7:32:08 PM3/27/01
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We must not run away with the idea that PhD and Masters degree
holders make the University world class. Far from it. Universities
are set up to be research and teaching institutions to prepare
graduates for a career where they would still need on-the-job
experience before they can reach an optium productivity level.

If the aim of MMU is to produce graduates to feed the industries
of MSC who will be productive from 'Day One', then having lecturers
who are PhD and Master's degree holders will not help the computer
software firms at all. This is because most of the MMU lecturers
were never in industry, who hit books from school to University
and did not go out to join the workforce at anytime. They have little
or no pulse of what is happening outside their academic world since
they are non-practitioners. Both the courses and the curriculum of
MMU must be geared to producing graduates who can join and be
productive immediately. These graduates must have sufficient
knowledge in databases, data communications, programming,
analysis and design (real-world requirements) instead of airy-fairy
topics listed in their borchures. For these you need to have staff
who have been long enough in the industry and not those who move
from teaching institution to teaching institution.

Management courses aren't necessary for these graduates. They
need to be software engineers and analysts long before they can
assume any management position.

michael

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Mar 28, 2001, 7:01:25 AM3/28/01
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In article <99qehp$ibl$1...@news6.jaring.my> lohy...@hotmail.com writes:
>
>Gosh I hope you are not from Multimedia University, coz someone did not
>read up the facts before making statements! I hope your "facts" are
>true.
[deleted]

>As a student from Multimedia University, I beg of you... don't compare
>Multimedia University with a university "in another league"...
>
>I hereby enclose a "almost" complete list of lecturers/tutors from
>Multimedia University.
[deleted]

I think the biggest difference between MMU and UTM is that the
former uses English as the medium of instruction whereas the
latter teaches mainly in Malay.

Computer and information technology evolve very fast and
knowledge becomes obsolete soon after it is taught.
My sympathy is with those attending IT classes in UTM.
They have to read in English, listen and answer in Malay. :)

regards,
michael ... afn2...@afn.org

michael

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Mar 28, 2001, 6:48:49 AM3/28/01
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In article <2ud1ct4l009ou50kg...@4ax.com> #sl...@freeserve.nospam.co.uk writes:
>
>On 26 Mar 2001 07:09:01 GMT, arane...@yahoo.com wrote:
[deleted]

>A while back, I thought I saw an article on SCM about computer science lecturer
>in Multimedia University say AMD is a non-Intel-compatible processors? All
>peripherals designs are different? And complaining about the sleeping
>administrator who make a file as large as 20 Mb for students to download over
>the slow slow Network connection?

The MMU students' hostels in Cyberjaya are wired for high speed
connection.
A 20 Mb data download will take no more time than a few blinks
of the eyes.

Outside the campus, maybe another story. :)

regards,
michael ... afn2...@afn.org

Simon

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Mar 28, 2001, 6:24:33 AM3/28/01
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On Wed, 28 Mar 01 11:48:49 GMT, mic...@wang.pc.my (michael) wrote:

>The MMU students' hostels in Cyberjaya are wired for high speed
>connection.
>A 20 Mb data download will take no more time than a few blinks
>of the eyes.

A while back, I thought some students posted an open letter to the head of
department complaining about the problem? What I heard was speed of less than
1k/sec over the network. Perhaps Yu Gee would like to comment about his
experience. ;-)

>Outside the campus, maybe another story. :)

Worse still. ;-)

Simon

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Mar 28, 2001, 6:29:03 AM3/28/01
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On Wed, 28 Mar 01 12:01:25 GMT, mic...@wang.pc.my (michael) wrote:

>I think the biggest difference between MMU and UTM is that the
>former uses English as the medium of instruction whereas the
>latter teaches mainly in Malay.

>Computer and information technology evolve very fast and
>knowledge becomes obsolete soon after it is taught.
>My sympathy is with those attending IT classes in UTM.
>They have to read in English, listen and answer in Malay. :)

When they graduate and work in the industry, all come back to English again.
Gosh. They need to relearn everything in English again. Haven't the head of
department realize the need of English yet?

Air Manik Astagina

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while it is true that some academicians overseas have titles that are miles
long, it is not true that most universities overseas require a doctorate to
become a lecturer. I also know of a few people who do not have doctorates
and are professors, because a professorship is not based on postgraduate
degrees but on academic contribution, for example writing books etc.
Please got your facts straight on the academic field's requirements.
AMA

Simon <#sl...@freeserve.nospam.co.uk> wrote in article
<fii1ctk8pp4nl83ol...@4ax.com>...

Hsu

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Otherwise, you risk quoting me out of context.

1. I never claimed that MMU is world class. I said that the University
aims (Read: Not yet achieve status) to be "world class"...

2. Optium? I presume it's optimum.

3. Aim of MMU? Well, I don't know what exactly is the aim of MMU, but I
do see that company number (at least I think it is) below MMU's name and
logo on newspaper ads...

4. Wow... hold your horses... how do you know "most" MMU lecturers were
"never in industry"? They told you that? "Most" of them? Wow, you've got
quite a wide network of friends here @ MMU. Several hundred of them, to
be more precise! :)

5. Err... I am not in a position to comment on whether MMU's courses are
geared towards producing graduates who can join the workforce
immediately, but my bet would be "NO"... LOL! You assume all students in
MMU study IT only? Else why you say that "Management courses aren't


necessary for these graduates. They need to be software engineers and
analysts long before they can assume any management position."

Last but not least, I suggest you go back to the original discussion
instead of starting this new one...
Coz it wasn't me who criticized UTM...
Coz I won't since I do not have first hand experience @ UTM.

"Lim Siam Kim" <lim...@mbox3.singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
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: We must not run away with the idea that PhD and Masters degree

Hsu

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Oops, apparently you also cross-post to JARING.General...


Hsu

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"Simon" <#sl...@freeserve.nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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: Forgive me saying this but I think local institution lack of proper


coordination
: and standardization. Could you imagine a module offered in overseas
university
: has been running for the past 10 years with very little modification
over the
: year and taught by the same lecturer for the past 10 years? Lecture
notes being
: revised for the first few years and consistent after that? Lecturers
are able to
: put the right emphasis on topics which previous years student are not
good at.
: They are able to standardize things out and preparing the schedule of
teaching
: which has not been changed for over the years. They stick to the
schedule very
: closely. Whereas in Malaysia, some modules might have been taught
under 2 or 3
: different lecturers over just one semester. I can't blame them because
the wages
: offered by the local institute are very low, whenever they are offered
a better
: pay, they would leave the lecturing arena. Things are hard to get
standardized
: this way.

A course with NO modification for the past 10 years? Then I would say
that THAT is an institution that SUCKS worse than Malaysian institutions
of higher learning... Especially for IT-related subjects... Imagine THAT
institution's introductory IT course -- The Intel 80486 processor is
today's most sophisticated technology to date! :) heheh

: The other problem is lack of coordination, I have been to local

Err... maybe that "institution" you attended is inferior?

Coz I know INTI College and Multimedia University both got quite
detailed course structures for each course. Of course, I would prefer
INTI's coz they give the course structure on the first day of the
course, while MMU's are posted online, and students have to download and
print the course structures themselves. Why the extra cost for students
to bear?

Anyway... it must have been a pretty long time ago (when you were in
college/university/institute/etc.)
Coz INTI's got a timetable scheduling program (yes, using something
commonly known as a PC today ;)) although I don't think MMU has one...

Exam postpone? Never encounter that in both INTI/MMU (Ref: Final Exam)

Extension? Why can't you??? ("I have been running the course for 10


years now, every year my students are able to hand in the coursework on

time, why can't you?") I would have to agree with that lecturer.

Yes, I believe a good lecturer should be able to point out mistakes in
books, instead of having the students point out his/her (the lecturers)
mistakes.

: I mean this is the direction where Malaysian Institution should be

Hsu

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Mar 28, 2001, 12:42:27 PM3/28/01
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Crap! (Unless of course you got eye problems and take extra long time to
blink ;)) heheh

MMU's Melaka Campus has a Internet 2MB lease line and another 2MB to
Cyber (at least that's what I understand)... yet, downloading takes a
lifetime on campus! I tried computer labs of FBL, FOSEE, FIST... all the
same... slow! (Although FBL's lousy old Gateway computers "paling
sucks"!)

I assume you know the difference between downloading a file from LAN and
from Internet. As these files are in excess of 10MB, the use of
diskettes would be a major hassle.

Upload, download, it all takes time, and that is why I oppose the use of
extra large powerpoint slides at "lecture notes"... It's like
downloading Netscape 6 every alternate day!!!

Hostels can accomodate less than 50% (maybe even less than that!)
The remainder 50% (or more) need to view these ">10MB lecture notes"
frequently...
The campus PCs are set up in such a way that adding USB / parallel
devices are not possible. (I had a Iomega Zip) Worse still, some labs
are set up in such a way that I can't connect my portable (notebook,
laptop, whatever you want to call it) to the LAN... Speaking of which,
how many students got laptops? All of them? NO! So what about those who
don't have laptops, only PCs?

"michael" <mic...@wang.pc.my> wrote in message
news:98578012...@wang.pc.my...
: In article <2ud1ct4l009ou50kg...@4ax.com>
#sl...@freeserve.nospam.co.uk writes:

: The MMU students' hostels in Cyberjaya are wired for high speed

Hsu

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Oh, yes, please note the ""s ("in another league")
I am not saying MMU is better than UTM or vice-versa.
UTM is a public University.
MMU is a "private" University.

"michael" <mic...@wang.pc.my> wrote in message

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Hsu

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I assume you know the difference between LAN and Internet :)

So, tell me, how can a student store a "Powerpoint lecture note" in
excess of 10 MB for future viewing? Note: Lecture note for 1 lecture >=
10 MB... 1 semester (or trimester) = ~15 weeks. How many MB's would that
be???

The majority of students live off campus (at least in Melaka)...
BungaRaya, Kerjasama, UniHostel, Dahlia, BBI, etc.....

Even using LAN (from Lecture Hall LCR0001, Melaka Campus), I have tried
synchonising "space" (those with "inside" knowledge of MMU would know
what "space" is, it's where the lecture notes can be downloaded). After
a two hour lecture, it's still not completed. My NIC is 3Com 10/100!

LAN is no doubt faster than Internet.
Yet, it's still slow...

If the lecture note <= 5MB, it's fine.
If the lecture note >= 10MB, then I believe that lecturer can surely do
more other than to download that powerpoint from the book publisher
website and post it as "lecture note"

"Simon" <#sl...@freeserve.nospam.co.uk> wrote in message

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Johnson Chua

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The point about lecturers is taken.
Firstly, o'seas lecturers come and go.

Secondly, being academics they are mobile.

However, they are academics and just that - academics.
IT industry is a fast-paced industry where professionals
need to learn and re-learn. The IT professionals in the
industry keep up by both learning and applying. Academics
do nothing else but learn and teach.

The students will benefit if they know the practical aspects
of IT so that when they graduate they are industry-ready.

Irrelevant courses such as management, economics etc..
are best left for later. Not for undergraduate study for IT.

michael

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In article <m8i3ctgmclkjl0aim...@4ax.com> #sl...@freeserve.nospam.co.uk writes:
>
>On Wed, 28 Mar 01 11:48:49 GMT, mic...@wang.pc.my (michael) wrote:
>
>>The MMU students' hostels in Cyberjaya are wired for high speed
>>connection.
>>A 20 Mb data download will take no more time than a few blinks
>>of the eyes.
>
>A while back, I thought some students posted an open letter to the head of
>department complaining about the problem? What I heard was speed of less than
>1k/sec over the network. Perhaps Yu Gee would like to comment about his
>experience. ;-)

That's strange.

A relative of mine studies and stays there.
An uncle of his went to the campus to help
this relative download some files for his PC setup.

The uncle told me the lines were amazingly fast
for downloads over the internet. :)

regards,
michael ... afn2...@afn.org


>

Homer

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Mar 28, 2001, 9:54:25 PM3/28/01
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In article <99qehp$ibl$1...@news6.jaring.my>, Hsu <pcsh...@pd.jaring.my>
wrote:

> I hereby enclose a "almost" complete list of lecturers/tutors from
> Multimedia University.
>

> Note: Some may not be lecturers/tutors but staff of respective Faculty.


>
> 1 ABDUL HALIM BIN ABDUL HAMID aha...@mmu.edu.my FACULTY OF BUSINESS
> AND LAW(FBL)

...


> 130 YOW HO KWANG hk...@mmu.edu.my FACULTY OF ENGINEERING(FOE)


Are you serious? Only about 130 lecturers, including tutors, and it is
called a 'University'???

mellon

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Hsu <pcsh...@pd.jaring.my> wrote in message news:99t7mk$ihf$1...@news6.jaring.my...

> The campus PCs are set up in such a way that adding USB / parallel
> devices are not possible. (I had a Iomega Zip)

Why not? They removed the USB/parallel ports?

> Worse still, some labs
> are set up in such a way that I can't connect my portable (notebook,
> laptop, whatever you want to call it) to the LAN...

Why not?

mellon

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Simon <#sl...@freeserve.nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:nhi3ct4rtae9mlcsr...@4ax.com...

By the way, have they decided on what to call
'plug and play' in BM yet?


Simon

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Mar 29, 2001, 4:39:46 AM3/29/01
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:30:51 +0800, "Hsu" <pcsh...@pd.jaring.my> wrote:

>A course with NO modification for the past 10 years? Then I would say
>that THAT is an institution that SUCKS worse than Malaysian institutions
>of higher learning... Especially for IT-related subjects... Imagine THAT
>institution's introductory IT course -- The Intel 80486 processor is
>today's most sophisticated technology to date! :) heheh

Hehehe, we are from different world. I have a notes dated 1987 but still don't
find the technology widely used in Malaysia yet. ;-)

A lot of subject don't change much in its content, business management don't
change, C++ Programming don't change much, history don't change, etc.

I have a lecturer who has over 30 years of experience in teaching, probably even
more, looks as old as my grandpa teaching Steel Metalugy explain things into the
sub atomic scale of steel. I don't think any lecturer with mere 1 or 2 years
experience could do that. Thats why I say experience counts a lot in teaching
but it seems to me that a lot of local institute especially those private
institute hire cheap labour to lecture and expect them to stay long. Usually
these lecturer are fresh graduates seeking for 1 or 2 years experience and they
would run elsewhere. It would be a great loss to the students, what has the
private institute got to lost? Nothing, as long as they get your money and hire
cheap labour, they are making money.



>Err... maybe that "institution" you attended is inferior?

>Coz I know INTI College and Multimedia University both got quite
>detailed course structures for each course. Of course, I would prefer
>INTI's coz they give the course structure on the first day of the
>course, while MMU's are posted online, and students have to download and
>print the course structures themselves. Why the extra cost for students
>to bear?

>Anyway... it must have been a pretty long time ago (when you were in
>college/university/institute/etc.)
>Coz INTI's got a timetable scheduling program (yes, using something
>commonly known as a PC today ;)) although I don't think MMU has one...

>Exam postpone? Never encounter that in both INTI/MMU (Ref: Final Exam)

I still remember the time I was in Inti, when the lecturer asking us when should
we have our Test 1 or Test 2. He proposed next week.. "No lah. Cannot lah..
Next week we have three coursework to hand in." "Two weeks later?" "No lah.. too
close to our Chemistry exam". "Three weeks later?" "No lah.. too close to final
exam. Sir, how about giving us Quiz?" "Sir, no need test lah.. hehehe" "Okay
okay okay...."

>Extension? Why can't you??? ("I have been running the course for 10
>years now, every year my students are able to hand in the coursework on
>time, why can't you?") I would have to agree with that lecturer.

>Yes, I believe a good lecturer should be able to point out mistakes in
>books, instead of having the students point out his/her (the lecturers)
>mistakes.

Absolutely. But things get iron out over the years. First time lecturer might
have this problem, the second time he is teaching, he has more confidence, third
time, forth time, fifth time, everytime he improves himself. Does it happen in
Malaysia? No. at most, two or three years, they would leave.

Simon

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On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:20:58 +0800, "mellon" <colli...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> When they graduate and work in the industry, all come back to English again.
>> Gosh. They need to relearn everything in English again. Haven't the head of
>> department realize the need of English yet?

>By the way, have they decided on what to call
>'plug and play' in BM yet?

The so-called... promote BM philosophy ;-)
I hope they do realize it one day.

Sambal_Ikan_Bilis

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i always have the imporession that PNP is know as cucuk dan main...this
issue still exist.. wah!.. then what about female and male port..?? sexist?
Nik Aziz will have something to say :))


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j...@lake.com

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On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:20:58 +0800, "mellon" <colli...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>

cucuk dan main

and the translation for joystick would be - batang gembira. :-))


>
>

Hsu

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Err... is C++ still "the" programming language to learn for the years to
come?

"Simon" <#sl...@freeserve.nospam.co.uk> wrote in message

news:ndt5ctoudg5vqnbe4...@4ax.com...

: Hehehe, we are from different world. I have a notes dated 1987 but

Hsu

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Suffice to say I know how to use my Iomega Zip and the PCs on campus do
not allow the use of "external" devices. Illegally, maybe...

Suffice to say that I know how to connect my laptop to the campus LAN
using the CAT5 cable but for some reasons, downloading/uploading does
not take place.

"mellon" <colli...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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: Hsu <pcsh...@pd.jaring.my> wrote in message

Hsu

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Mar 30, 2001, 12:46:56 AM3/30/01
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There where?

I am in Melaka.

And I invite you to visit the FBL computer labs using Gateway Pentium
(no II or III or IV behind that word!) PCs...

Good news, though!

I understand Bachelor of Accounting (MMU) is "approved" by MACPA...
RUMOR WARNING: This is just what I heard, and it may be wrong!

This certainly makes me feel better, coz I heard from another feathered
friend that MACPA was not going to "approve" the course.

"michael" <mic...@wang.pc.my> wrote in message

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: In article <m8i3ctgmclkjl0aim...@4ax.com>

Hsu

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Mar 30, 2001, 12:51:24 AM3/30/01
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Are you blind?
Did you not read through the whole article?
An attempt to twist the facts? :)

"Homer" <h...@mer.com> wrote in message
news:290320011454258799%h...@mer.com...

: Are you serious? Only about 130 lecturers, including tutors, and it is
: called a 'University'???


Hsu

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Siberjaya: Mikro dan lembik hari ini melancarkan produk baru -

>>> batang gembira mikro dan lembut - cucuk dan main <<<

<j...@lake.com> wrote in message
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: On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:20:58 +0800, "mellon" <colli...@hotmail.com>
: wrote:

: >By the way, have they decided on what to call


: >'plug and play' in BM yet?

: cucuk dan main

: and the translation for joystick would be - batang gembira. :-)

P/S: I remember keeping an e-mail from a friend with all these
translated PC terminologies...
But I can't seem to find it at the moment...


Hsu

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Mar 30, 2001, 1:24:41 AM3/30/01
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http://www.arraydev.com/commerce/JIBC/0001-07.htm

While we're on this subject, I thought maybe a review of articles
written by MMU staff would be of interest... I found this while surfing
for information about Arab-Malaysian's Online (Internet) Banking...

BTW, anyone knows what is the website for AM's Net banking?
Also, anyone used it yet? OK? KO? Charges?
So far, I only have Maybank2U. I intend to test Southern Bank's as well
as Hong Leong's Net banking later this year... I understand Alliance
Bank launched theirs as well.


mellon

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Hsu <pcsh...@pd.jaring.my> wrote in message news:9a16oq$kdq$2...@news4.jaring.my...

> Suffice to say I know how to use my Iomega Zip and the PCs on campus do
> not allow the use of "external" devices. Illegally, maybe...

I say, you let a small thing like 'illegal' stop you ;-).

michael

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In article <9a16op$kdq$1...@news4.jaring.my> lohy...@hotmail.com writes:
>
>There where?

Cyberjaya ... those blue roof buildings.

I thought I mentioned that in a earlier post. :)

regards,
michael ... afn2...@afn.org

>I am in Melaka.

Simon

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Mar 30, 2001, 5:53:07 AM3/30/01
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:43:14 +0800, "Hsu" <pcsh...@pd.jaring.my> wrote:

>Err... is C++ still "the" programming language to learn for the years to
>come?

Oh yes, why not? The core programming language to develop Linux is C++.
Not to say the most primitive programming language -- the Assembly language is
still used widely to optimize the code. (Alright, machine code even more
primitive, but my point is ASM closest to machine code is still being used
widely)

Can we say we have Visual Basic now then forget about C++, ASM?

Simon

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Mar 30, 2001, 6:00:32 AM3/30/01
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:00:12 +0800, "Hsu" <pcsh...@pd.jaring.my> wrote:

>P/S: I remember keeping an e-mail from a friend with all these
>translated PC terminologies...
>But I can't seem to find it at the moment...

That translation originated from jaring.pcbase. It started as a blank list then
slowly everyone adding new terminology in. But that was way back to 1994 or
1995. But it seems that someone got it from the newsgroup and circulate around.

Look for Eugene, he is the archives which keep track of all newsgroup postings
since 1994.

Tang

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"Hsu" <pcsh...@pd.jaring.my> wrote in message
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> There where?

>
> I understand Bachelor of Accounting (MMU) is "approved" by MACPA...
> RUMOR WARNING: This is just what I heard, and it may be wrong!
>
> This certainly makes me feel better, coz I heard from another feathered
> friend that MACPA was not going to "approve" the course.
>

MACPA has no right to approve any course! What they can do is to exempt
certain papers for the graduate to sit for MACPA exam.
However, in order to become Public Accountant or Registered Accountant in
Malaysia (will be called Chartered Accountant next year), the course need
approval from MIA. So far I know, MIA have not approved Bachelor of
Accounting of MMU. If I am not mistaken, in last MIA AGM, we only approved
Bachelor of Accounting of USM.

FYI, I am member of both MACPA and MIA.


Yap Yok Foo

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:56:37 +0800, "Tang" <tlk...@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:

>MACPA has no right to approve any course! What they can do is to exempt
>certain papers for the graduate to sit for MACPA exam.
>However, in order to become Public Accountant or Registered Accountant in
>Malaysia (will be called Chartered Accountant next year), the course need
>approval from MIA. So far I know, MIA have not approved Bachelor of
>Accounting of MMU. If I am not mistaken, in last MIA AGM, we only approved
>Bachelor of Accounting of USM.

Are you sure MACPA members will be called Chartered Accountants next
year? Where can I get details?

>FYI, I am member of both MACPA and MIA.

FYI, I am a member of both MACPA and MIA as well as ICAEW


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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:49:34 +0800, "Hsu" <pcsh...@pd.jaring.my>
wrote:

>Suffice to say I know how to use my Iomega Zip and the PCs on campus do
>not allow the use of "external" devices. Illegally, maybe...
>
>Suffice to say that I know how to connect my laptop to the campus LAN
>using the CAT5 cable but for some reasons, downloading/uploading does
>not take place.

What reasons? You don't get an IP number? :-)

ignoramus

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:46:56 +0800, "Hsu" <pcsh...@pd.jaring.my>
wrote:

>There where?
>
>I am in Melaka.
>
>And I invite you to visit the FBL computer labs using Gateway Pentium
>(no II or III or IV behind that word!) PCs...
>

That's not too bad. Back in my first year of studies, we had an IBM
3090 and we did almost everything on it. We, meaning every student in
year one in that faculty. ;-)

Think we did our Fortran assignments on it.

YG Loh

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Mar 30, 2001, 11:37:43 AM3/30/01
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Yes, that's very bad by today's standards...
That PC swaps like nobody's business...
The swapping alone is enough to cause permanent brain damage to a
frequent user, especially when opening anything more than 3 windows! And
I don't think anything less than 3 can be considered MULTI! :)

"ignoramus" <igno...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
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: On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:46:56 +0800,
: That's not too bad. Back in my first year of studies, we had an IBM

YG Loh

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Mar 30, 2001, 11:33:47 AM3/30/01
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Err... I use auto-configure...
And I do not know much about configuring, but I know that normally, if I
plug in the cables (both ends), and I open IE, the laptop will configure
itself... but there are times when it just wont dl/upload.

"ignoramus" <igno...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message

news:3ac4703...@news.tm.net.my...

: What reasons? You don't get an IP number? :-)


ignoramus

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On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:33:47 +0800, "YG Loh" <lohy...@pd.jaring.my>
wrote:

>Err... I use auto-configure...
>And I do not know much about configuring,

Time to read the manual? :-)

I don't think auto-configure will be enough. You to set up your
networking.

>but I know that normally, if I
>plug in the cables (both ends), and I open IE, the laptop will configure
>itself... but there are times when it just wont dl/upload.


Where there is a will, there is a way....I think.


ignoramus

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On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:37:43 +0800, "YG Loh" <lohy...@pd.jaring.my>
wrote:

>Yes, that's very bad by today's standards...


>That PC swaps like nobody's business...
>The swapping alone is enough to cause permanent brain damage to a
>frequent user, especially when opening anything more than 3 windows! And
>I don't think anything less than 3 can be considered MULTI! :)

Been there, done that. :-)

Windows 3.1 with 8MB RAM on a 386DX-25.

YG Loh

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And btw, I cannot configure Parallel Ports coz BIOS Setup is password
protected, and Parallel Port is disabled by BIOS.

"mellon" <colli...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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: I say, you let a small thing like 'illegal' stop you ;-)


ignoramus

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:55:43 GMT, igno...@my-dejanews.com
(ignoramus) wrote:

>On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:33:47 +0800, "YG Loh" <lohy...@pd.jaring.my>
>wrote:
>
>>Err... I use auto-configure...
>>And I do not know much about configuring,
>
>Time to read the manual? :-)
>
>I don't think auto-configure will be enough. You to set up your
>networking.
>

Oops. Should be "You need to set up your networking."

Tang

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Mar 31, 2001, 1:15:28 AM3/31/01
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Only applied to MIA members. The amendment of Accountant Act has been passed
in Parliament, but don't know whether has been gazetted. You can refer to
recent MIA
magazine.

"Yap Yok Foo" <yf...@pop.jaring.my> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:56:37 +0800, "Tang" <tlk...@yahoo.nospam.com>
> wrote:

<snip>

Simon

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On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:33:47 +0800, "YG Loh" <lohy...@pd.jaring.my> wrote:

>Err... I use auto-configure...
>And I do not know much about configuring, but I know that normally, if I
>plug in the cables (both ends), and I open IE, the laptop will configure
>itself... but there are times when it just wont dl/upload.

The IP gateway setting, proxy setting are left out. If not the your NIC card
have not been assigned an IP address by the DHCP server.

mellon

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Simon <#sl...@freeserve.nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:auo8ctc2sf9n6307c...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:43:14 +0800, "Hsu" <pcsh...@pd.jaring.my> wrote:
>
> >Err... is C++ still "the" programming language to learn for the years to
> >come?

You might want to check out C# (pronounced C sharp) which is included
in Microsoft's new .Net programming suit along with VB.Net and C++.
Looks like it is going to be *the* language to learn.

> Oh yes, why not? The core programming language to develop Linux is C++.
> Not to say the most primitive programming language -- the Assembly language is
> still used widely to optimize the code. (Alright, machine code even more
> primitive, but my point is ASM closest to machine code is still being used
> widely)
>
> Can we say we have Visual Basic now then forget about C++, ASM?

No, we can't.


YG Loh

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FYI, ignoramus, the other PCs connected also use auto-configuge...
otherwise, I could have checked their settings and followed them!

What manual?

"ignoramus" <igno...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message

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: On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:33:47 +0800, "YG Loh" <lohy...@pd.jaring.my>

YG Loh

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Like I said... in some locations, there's no problem, just plug and
play...

Others, I just cant.

For the locations where I cant, I've checked the PCs "next door" and
found no "special" configurations... the settings in IE and stuff don't
have any special proxy or anything... those PCs next to me are set to
auto-configure too...

Maybe it is because of the log-in thingy... the areas where I cannot
PnP, the PCs there need to log in with a username and password... and
speaking of which, that lab's PCs work in a strange way... everytime
after shutting down Netscape Nav, it says "Netscape is updating your
browser registry" or something like that... I think it is about 40 to 50
KBs... I don't know what it is doing, coz I use IE at home too, and I've
never seen that "updating..." window on my home PC before.

"ignoramus" <igno...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message

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: On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:55:43 GMT, igno...@my-dejanews.com

ignoramus

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On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:12:55 +0800, "YG Loh" <lohy...@pd.jaring.my>
wrote:

>Like I said... in some locations, there's no problem, just plug and


>play...
>
>Others, I just cant.
>
>For the locations where I cant, I've checked the PCs "next door" and
>found no "special" configurations... the settings in IE and stuff don't
>have any special proxy or anything... those PCs next to me are set to
>auto-configure too...
>
>Maybe it is because of the log-in thingy... the areas where I cannot
>PnP, the PCs there need to log in with a username and password... and
>speaking of which, that lab's PCs work in a strange way... everytime
>after shutting down Netscape Nav, it says "Netscape is updating your
>browser registry" or something like that... I think it is about 40 to 50
>KBs... I don't know what it is doing, coz I use IE at home too, and I've
>never seen that "updating..." window on my home PC before.
>

That happens with Netscape.

ignoramus

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Mar 31, 2001, 11:27:38 AM3/31/01
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:08:46 +0800, "YG Loh" <lohy...@pd.jaring.my>
wrote:

>FYI, ignoramus, the other PCs connected also use auto-configuge...


>otherwise, I could have checked their settings and followed them!
>

Check their TCP/IP settings. Perhaps that will help.

>What manual?
>

Make that a book on networking?

Hsu

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Gotcha. Thanx :)

"ignoramus" <igno...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message

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: Check their TCP/IP settings. Perhaps that will help.


James Lio

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Apr 3, 2001, 3:12:43 PM4/3/01
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Hmm What are you guys discussing here? The bad service of UTM?
YG Loh wrote in message <3ac4b...@news.tm.net.my>...

Hsu

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Apr 3, 2001, 3:57:11 AM4/3/01
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Well, one guy/gal previously "instructed" me not to change to subject
coz apparently "some" programs aren't "threaded" or something like
that...

Also, probably this just proves that there are more "MMU people" here
than "UTM people"! ;)

And no, I am not attached to UTM in any capacity, so I am not discussing
UTM.

"James Lio" <jame...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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: Hmm What are you guys discussing here? The bad service of UTM?

Hsu

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Apr 3, 2001, 10:22:16 AM4/3/01
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BTW, check your system clock!


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