Rice now cost 30% more !
beng1
Kopi-O is now S$0.80 in all kopitiams!
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
> This is getting out of hand!
> Kopi-O is now S$0.80 in all kopitiams!
>
This is unsubsidised prices. Singaporean suffer the least because of
their much higher salaries in world currency terms.
The high price for food is important because it will encourage more
farmers to grow food and improve their livelihood. At the moment, due
to price controls, food farmers are among the poorest in the world.
Clerks who work in air-conditioned rooms enjoy life at the expense of
these farmers.
AleXX
When landlord HDB and Capital Land knew about this, they also want to
increase their rental. More ERP gantries up. Higher transport and taxi
fares. Pay more for domestic utilities like electrical knowing that the
power station are using gas for generation. Next year GST may go up who
knows?
"beng1" <519...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Petoeroek
worldwide. People who weren't eating rice before, or who weren't suppose to
eat rice are now eating rice more and more.
With the price of gasoline heading toward the sky, scientists are now doing
a lot more research on how to make bio-fuels from rice, corn, soybeans, and
so the demand for rice, soybeans, yucca root, etc. in the future will
definitely go up and may perhaps double or triple the current price on the
market.
I don't see farmers in big countries like the US will be interested in
producig more rice for personal consumption if they can get more for their
dollars by turning it into bio-fuels.
The shift or burden of producing more rice for individual consumption will
be borne by farmers in the Third World countries where labor is stll cheap,
at least temporarily. Once they see that growing more rice and corn is more
profitable when they are sold for making bio-fuels, you may not see rice or
rice products on the shelves of the supermarkets anymore.
And people who have been eating rice since birth will eat more of rice when
they grow up, and not less.
So what is the solution to this rising price?
"Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad" <oth...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Chen
> The price of rice goes up because of the consumption of rice also goes up,
> worldwide. People who weren't eating rice before, or who weren't suppose to
> eat rice are now eating rice more and more.
>
> With the price of gasoline heading toward the sky, scientists are now doing
> a lot more research on how to make bio-fuels from rice, corn, soybeans, and
> so the demand for rice, soybeans, yucca root, etc. in the future will
> definitely go up and may perhaps double or triple the current price on the
> market.
>
> I don't see farmers in big countries like the US will be interested in
> producig more rice for personal consumption if they can get more for their
> dollars by turning it into bio-fuels.
>
> The shift or burden of producing more rice for individual consumption will
> be borne by farmers in the Third World countries where labor is stll cheap,
> at least temporarily. Once they see that growing more rice and corn is more
> profitable when they are sold for making bio-fuels, you may not see rice or
> rice products on the shelves of the supermarkets anymore.
>
> And people who have been eating rice since birth will eat more of rice when
> they grow up, and not less.
>
> So what is the solution to this rising price?
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 12, 4:38 pm, beng1 <5191...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> This is getting out of hand!
> >> Kopi-O is now S$0.80 in all kopitiams!
>
> > This is unsubsidised prices. Singaporean suffer the least because of
> > their much higher salaries in world currency terms.
>
> > The high price for food is important because it will encourage more
> > farmers to grow food and improve their livelihood. At the moment, due
> > to price controls, food farmers are among the poorest in the world.
> > Clerks who work in air-conditioned rooms enjoy life at the expense of
> > these farmers.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
It will be hard to solve Chicken and Egg problem. The basic solution
is a stable trading currency. They have been using US $ in trading and
end up with losing money on trade. The price must be up to stay in
business.
rst0wxyz
> The price of rice goes up because of the consumption of rice also goes up,
> worldwide. People who weren't eating rice before, or who weren't suppose to
> eat rice are now eating rice more and more.
>
> With the price of gasoline heading toward the sky, scientists are now doing
> a lot more research on how to make bio-fuels from rice, corn, soybeans, and
> so the demand for rice, soybeans, yucca root, etc. in the future will
> definitely go up and may perhaps double or triple the current price on the
> market.
>
> I don't see farmers in big countries like the US will be interested in
> producig more rice for personal consumption if they can get more for their
> dollars by turning it into bio-fuels.
>
> The shift or burden of producing more rice for individual consumption will
> be borne by farmers in the Third World countries where labor is stll cheap,
> at least temporarily. Once they see that growing more rice and corn is more
> profitable when they are sold for making bio-fuels, you may not see rice or
> rice products on the shelves of the supermarkets anymore.
>
> And people who have been eating rice since birth will eat more of rice when
> they grow up, and not less.
>
> So what is the solution to this rising price?
More land to grow food. More land for people to live in housing.
More land for a growing population. More land for freeways,...
The best solution is to find another planet where we can grow more of
everything. There are millions of planets up in space. All we have
to do is to find ways to get there.
>
> "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad" <othm...@lycos.com> wrote in messagenews:70630408-8b9c-4456...@r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Petoeroek
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Do you think if they use Singapore dollars, China yen, Malaysia ringgit, or
Thai baht, or Euro the price of rice will go down?
Petoeroek
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I am sure there are ways to get there, but can we survive there in other
planets?
James
rst0wxyz
> "rst0wxyz" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Not in one life time unless we can increase speed to hundreds of
thousand miles per hour or maybe a million miles an hour..
.
> but can we survive there in other
> planets?
There are bound to have planets just like ours, with atmosphere,
minerals, water, trees and food.
We just have to pool our resources for research/development to find
ways to get there.
Tetuang
Regards,
Tetuang
bu...@dublin.com
> "Chen" <c...@europe.com> wrote in message
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It will be hard to solve Chicken and Egg problem. The basic solution
> is a stable trading currency. They have been using US $ >in trading and
>
> >end up with losing money on trade. The price must be >up to stay in
> >business.
>
> Do you think if they use Singapore dollars, China yen, Malaysia ringgit, or
>
> - Show quoted text -
Normal tradeing must be stable. No one wants price going up or down.
That is the reason to use a stable currency for trading. The sooner
they can get out of US $ for trading. The price can be stable.
Tchiowa
> The price of rice goes up because of the consumption of rice also goes up,
> worldwide. People who weren't eating rice before, or who weren't suppose to
> eat rice are now eating rice more and more.
>
> With the price of gasoline heading toward the sky, scientists are now doing
> a lot more research on how to make bio-fuels from rice, corn, soybeans, and
> so the demand for rice, soybeans, yucca root, etc. in the future will
> definitely go up and may perhaps double or triple the current price on the
> market.
And this has been recognized as one of the leading causes of the high
prices. People are going to starve because they can't afford food
because it has been diverted to make fuel.
I don't want to say "I told you so" but those who "thought it out"
warned the Loony Left that this would happen. But the Left still
demanded that we do it. They won. People will die. Kind of like what
happened with malaria when they got DDT banned.
Keep that in mind when you hear them ranting about Global Warming and
say "but what can it hurt to try?"!
Their record isn't good.
Petoeroek
petroleum.
Consumers in the US are at he mercy of oil producing countries. Some weren't
unable to buy gasoline for their cars any more. The increase in the price of
gasoline is much greater and much faster than what people get in their
paychecks.
Workers who are making minimum wages have no choice but to go to and from
work on public bus or on bicycles. "Petty" crimes are on the rise. Food
prices are going up. Transportation costs go up. Consumers with credit card
debts have to choose between paying their debts or buying gasoline for their
cars.
I have never seen in my lifetime how a single factor, gasoline, can affect
so many lives.
It's time that the world should and can produce their own fuels and not be
dependent at the mercy of oil producing countries.
"Tchiowa" <tchi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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ini si þíLL™
@registered.motzarella.org :
> It's time that the world should and can produce their own fuels and not be
> dependent at the mercy of oil producing countries.
>
are you suggesting that people should start making home-made fuel from their
own waste (read : manure) ???
Tchiowa
> It's time, however, for the world to find alternate fuels other than oil or
> petroleum.
Agreed. But every time an energy business comes up with ideas the
Loony Left Greens shoot it down.
> Consumers in the US are at he mercy of oil producing countries. Some weren't
> unable to buy gasoline for their cars any more.
Be serious.
> Workers who are making minimum wages have no choice but to go to and from
> work on public bus or on bicycles.
Which part of the US do you see that? Remember that gas in the US is
still about half the price it is in Europe. What actually happens is
that people are cutting back spending elsewhere.
> "Petty" crimes are on the rise.
Get serious.
> Food prices are going up. Transportation costs go up.
True and true.
> Consumers with credit card
> debts have to choose between paying their debts or buying gasoline for their
> cars.
Nonsense.
Tetuang
cheap.
their gomen spends millions to subsidize their paddy planters but
nobody
eats it--everyone there favors either thai or indian rice....
Regards,
Tetuang
Petoeroek
"ini si þíLLT" <mBle...@indo.net> wrote in message
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If it can be done, why waste?:)
ini si þíLL™
@registered.motzarella.org :
eventually we hit the "garbage out garbage in" zone huh ???
Nisciuno
> On Apr 12, 10:27 pm, "Petoeroek" <Petoer...@nganadiam.com> wrote:
>> The price of rice goes up because of the consumption of rice also goes up,
>> worldwide. People who weren't eating rice before, or who weren't suppose to
>> eat rice are now eating rice more and more.
>>
>> With the price of gasoline heading toward the sky, scientists are now doing
>> a lot more research on how to make bio-fuels from rice, corn, soybeans, and
>> so the demand for rice, soybeans, yucca root, etc. in the future will
>> definitely go up and may perhaps double or triple the current price on the
>> market.
>
> And this has been recognized as one of the leading causes of the high
> prices. People are going to starve because they can't afford food
> because it has been diverted to make fuel.
>
> I don't want to say "I told you so" but those who "thought it out"
> warned the Loony Left that this would happen. But the Left still
> demanded that we do it. They won. People will die.
I ignored George Bush was a Loony Leftist.
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-5331941_ITM
Description
Developers of alternative fuel technologies, particularly makers of
enzymes for the processing of bioethanol, have given a mixed response to
President George Bush's call for a fresh focus on research in
cellulose-derived ethanol. Bush called for more research in a speech in
which he said: 'America is addicted to oil.'
Most of the international oil companies (IOCs), which have been urged to
invest more in biofuels, have also been cautious about Bush's objectives....
Nisciuno
> On Apr 13, 1:34 pm, "Petoeroek" <Petoer...@nganadiam.com> wrote:
>> It's time, however, for the world to find alternate fuels other than oil or
>> petroleum.
>
> Agreed. But every time an energy business comes up with ideas the
> Loony Left Greens shoot it down.
>
>> Consumers in the US are at he mercy of oil producing countries. Some weren't
>> unable to buy gasoline for their cars any more.
>
> Be serious.
Get back to Earth, kid.
http://theslowcook.blogspot.com/2008/04/weekend-update.html
Sunday, April 6, 2008
Weekend Update
Don't look now, but a record number of Americans have applied for food
stamps
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/31/us/31foodstamps.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
, more than at any time since the food aid program was started in the 1960s.
Experts attribute the swelling need for assistance to a mix of economic
hard times and the rising costs of food staples.
As we've written before, food prices are rising around the world as a
result of "diet globalization," whereby countries with growing incomes,
such as India and China, are demanding more and better food, to go along
with the pricing pressures brought about by turning food crops into fuel
for automobiles.
The Congressional Budget Office projects that 28 million American
families will be on the food stamp rolls next year at a cost to the
federal budget of about $36 billion.
In Michigan, one in 18 residents now receives food stamps. "Our caseload
has more than doubled since 2000, and we're at an all-time record
level," said Maureen Sorbet, spokeswoman for the Michigan Department of
Human Services.
So how does the Bush economic policy look now? Remember all those tax
cuts that were supposed to create prosperity for everyone? Now we simply
have bigger deficits than ever. The national debt is a joke. The dollar
is in the toilet. The housing and finance industries are in free-fall.
And Ross Perot, crazy nut that he was, has been proved right after
all--the great sucking sound we heard were all the jobs being sent
overseas. We have become a bumbling giant, totally in hock to the
Chinese and wishing for the good old days of cheap gas and cheap food.
*****
Meanwhile, the nation's food banks are in desperate straights. The same
conditions that are swelling the food stamp rolls are also prompting
millions of American to seek emergency handouts, and increased aid has
been tied up in the languishing Farm Bill legislation that Congress has
been dickering over for months.
Food banks around the country report an estimated 20 percent more people
are visiting soup kitchens and food pantries for help this year compared
to last year, according to America's Second Harvest.
"Hungry Americans can not wait any longer," said Vicki Escarra,
president of America's Second Harvest. "We are seeing absolutely tragic
increases nationwide in the number of men, women and children in need of
emergency food assistance, many for the first time ever. Meanwhile, more
than 1.3 million more people are enrolled in food stamps compared to a
year prior. Hungry Americans need a Farm Bill enacted now."
The food agency says several factors are contributing to a "dire"
situation and making it difficult for food banks to feed more hungry
people. Federal commodity support for emergency feeding organizations
has dropped nearly $200 million per year since the enactment of 2002
Farm Bill because of a decline in need for the federal government to buy
surplus food to support farmers. Additionally, food price inflation has
caused rapid erosion in the purchasing power of food stamp benefits.
While benefits are adjusted for inflation annually, food prices have
risen 5.5 percent since the last adjustment just six months ago.
"These combined factors have created a perfect storm of hardship," said
Escarra.
*****
Petoeroek
On Apr 13, 1:34 pm, "Petoeroek" <Petoer...@nganadiam.com> wrote:
> It's time, however, for the world to find alternate fuels other than oil
> or
> petroleum.
>Agreed. But every time an energy business comes up >with ideas the
>Loony Left Greens shoot it down.
That we don't know for sure. Everbody is talking about change. Everybody
wants change. Everybody is tired of politics as usual.
> Consumers in the US are at he mercy of oil producing countries. Some
> weren't
> able to buy gasoline for their cars any more.
>Be serious.
Why do you think gas tanks got siphoned at night?
> Workers who are making minimum wages have no choice but to go to and from
> work on public bus or on bicycles.
Which part of the US do you see that? Remember that gas in the US is
>still about half the price it is in Europe. What actually >happens is
>that people are cutting back spending elsewhere.
Because of what? Because of the 30% increase in the price of rice, or
because of the 150% increase in the price of gasoline? Remember, America is
a big country.
Good paying jobs are no longer available next door. Many people, unlike in
smaller countries like Singapore, have to travel 50 or 60 miles a day to go
to work. And a tankful of gas last only 2 days, whereas it could last about
a week when gasoline prices were still low.
> "Petty" crimes are on the rise.
>Get serious.
If you park your car under a car port (open garage) make sure that your car
has a good security system and make doubly sure that the doors are securely
locked. I forgot to lock the doors of my car a few nights ago and the
following morning I noticed that someone has cleaned up my car, the glove
compartment, the ash tray container where I keep small change, the pockets
at my door where I kept some documents, and the trunk of my car, all
contents were gone!
Was that not serious?
An apartment manager told me recently that thieves have broken into their
laundrymat room and dragged the laundrymat machines out from there to an
empty lot miles away, emptied all the money from the machines and left the
broken machines on an abandoned lot.
Is that not serious enough for you?
> Food prices are going up. Transportation costs go up.
True and true.
> Consumers with credit card
> debts have to choose between paying their debts or buying gasoline for
> their
> cars.
>Nonsense.
Maybe it is nonsense for a wealthy man like you
Petoeroek
"Tetuang" <tet...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Somehow it seems to me that rice farmers in the US have not bothered or have
the knowledge, experience, or the expertise to produce Thai or Indian rice.
Or maybe they like their rice that way.
Just because Asians don't like their rice does not mean that US consumers in
general don't like Texas long grain rice. It all depends on what what kind
of rice you have been accustomed to eating since birth.
Now if you talk about potatoes, who can beat Idaho potatoes? In my opinion,
neither Indonesia, Thai, Singapore, Malaysia nor China can make better
quality potatoes than Idaho.
If you think Asian countries can grow better tasting potatoes than Idaho,
send a sample to me and let me be the judge...:)
>
> Regards,
> Tetuang
Gary Renzetti
price of fuel. If a tankful of gas @ $1.00 a gallon goes 250 miles, why
won't a tankful of gas @ $10.00 a gallon go just as far?
Would you care to sell me some of whatever you're smoking?
CKSF
> Petoeroek wrote:
> > "Tchiowa" <tchio...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Psst ... petoeroek ain't too bright ...
Petoeroek
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If you spend $25.00 for a tank of gas that can last for 1 week in the past,
now you would have to spend $80.00 to fill the tank full. If you put in
only $25.00 now, that tank of gas will last probably only 2 days. That's
what I meant.
Petoeroek
"CKSF" <ck_i...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Gary Renzetti
translation problem? Thanks for clarifying.
Petoeroek
I could have also said that that people have siphoned off my gas tank, and
that is true, and that's why it lasts only 2 days. Because they could not
afford to buy gasoline at the pump.
Chabon 19
snipped
> Somehow it seems to me that rice farmers in the US have not bothered or have
> the knowledge, experience, or the expertise to produce Thai or Indian rice.
> Or maybe they like their rice that way.
>
> Just because Asians don't like their rice does not mean that US consumers in
> general don't like Texas long grain rice. It all depends on what what kind
> of rice you have been accustomed to eating since birth.
snipped
The last sentence is very correct, I have a few chaps here that can
swear that Thai Food in the UK tastes better than Thai Food here, in
Thailand. Your last sentence does show the reason!
Thanks
Chabby
Good soldier
U.S. domestic production for 2008 is expected to be about 8.7 million
metric tons (Paddy) of which approximately 52.7% is used directly as
food; 22.7% in processed food and 15% for brewing. The US is expected
to import some 0.7 million tonnes (milled)and will export some 3.5
million tonnes (milled). A reduced crop is also expected in the United
States, mainly as a result of a cut in area caused by mounting
competition from more profitable crops.
For comparison:
Major World Producers:
China 188.5 million tonnes (paddy)
India 142.5
Indonesia 58.3
Viet Nam 36.0
Myanmar 32.0
Thailand 30.5
US 8.7
Major world exporters:
Thailand 9.2 million tonnes (Milled)
Viet Nam 4.3
India 3.6
U.S. 3.5
Pakistan 2.9
Major world importers
Philippines 2.0 million tonnes (Milled)
Nigeria 1.8
Saudi Arabia 1.0
Bangladesh 1.0
China 1.0
Iraq 1.0
(all other importers import less then 1.0 million tonnes)
Tchiowa
> "Tchiowa" <tchio...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:029d8e2d-1672-4454...@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 13, 1:34 pm, "Petoeroek" <Petoer...@nganadiam.com> wrote:
>
> > It's time, however, for the world to find alternate fuels other than oil
> > or petroleum.
> >Agreed. But every time an energy business comes up with ideas the
> >Loony Left Greens shoot it down.
>
> That we don't know for sure. Everbody is talking about change. Everybody
> wants change. Everybody is tired of politics as usual.
But we do know it for sure. Look at the plans to extract fuel from tar
sands in Canada. Canada sits on more "energy" that all of the Middle
East. As soon as it became economically viable to extract it so the
energy companies proposed doing it, the Loony Left went bonkers and
filed lawsuits.
Same thing happened with hydrogen fuel cells. As soon as the Loony
Left found out that the best source of hydrogen for the fuel cells was
natural gas they took up ar,s.
> > Consumers in the US are at he mercy of oil producing countries. Some
> > weren't able to buy gasoline for their cars any more.
> >Be serious.
>
> Why do you think gas tanks got siphoned at night?
I see. Never happened before? Why do you think locking gas caps were
invented 3 decades ago? What evidence do you have that it's happening
with greater frequency now?
> > Workers who are making minimum wages have no choice but to go to and from
> > work on public bus or on bicycles.
>
> > Which part of the US do you see that? Remember that gas in the US is
> > still about half the price it is in Europe. What actually happens is
> > that people are cutting back spending elsewhere.
>
> Because of what? Because of the 30% increase in the price of rice, or
> because of the 150% increase in the price of gasoline? Remember, America is
> a big country.
Yes, they are cutting back because of things like the increase in gas
price. But you didn't say that. You said, specifically, that they were
going to work on bicycles.
> Good paying jobs are no longer available next door. Many people, unlike in
> smaller countries like Singapore, have to travel 50 or 60 miles a day to go
> to work. And a tankful of gas last only 2 days, whereas it could last about
> a week when gasoline prices were still low.
What???? Now you're saying that high gas prices made cars less fuel
efficient??? A tankful of gas is more expensive, but unless they
installed a Hum-V engine in their Toyota over the weekend, a tankful
of gas will take the car just as far as it used to.
> > "Petty" crimes are on the rise.
> >Get serious.
>
> If you park your car under a car port (open garage) make sure that your car
> has a good security system and make doubly sure that the doors are securely
> locked. I forgot to lock the doors of my car a few nights ago and the
> following morning I noticed that someone has cleaned up my car, the glove
> compartment, the ash tray container where I keep small change, the pockets
> at my door where I kept some documents, and the trunk of my car, all
> contents were gone!
That has *always* been the case. You said that the crimes were *on the
rise*.
> > Food prices are going up. Transportation costs go up.
>
> True and true.
>
> > Consumers with credit card
> > debts have to choose between paying their debts or buying gasoline for
> > their cars.
> >Nonsense.
>
> Maybe it is nonsense for a wealthy man like you
i'm saying it's nonsense because the statement simply isn't true.
Doc Holliday
> It will be hard to solve Chicken and Egg problem. The basic solution
> is a stable trading currency. They have been using US $ >in trading and
>
> >end up with losing money on trade. The price must be >up to stay in
> >business.
>
> Do you think if they use Singapore dollars, China yen, Malaysia ringgit, or
> Thai baht, or Euro the price of rice will go down?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
*"Emergency / Crisis"!
Mar 29, 2008 2:00 pm US/Pacific
Plan Gives Federal Reserve Sweeping New Powers
Plan Would Impose Stricter Regulations
WASHINGTON (CBS) -- The Bush administration is proposing a sweeping
overhaul of the way the nation's financial industry is regulated.
In an effort to deal with the problems highlighted by the current
severe credit *crisis, the new plan would give major new powers to the
Federal Reserve, according to a 22-page executive summary obtained
Friday by The Associated Press.
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8484911570371055528>
*"From now on, depressions will be scientifically created." --
Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913
This contrived *"emergency" by the money vultures and the political
manipulations of FDR, et. al. since then has created innumerous
abuses, usurpations, and abridgments of Constitutionally delegated
Powers and Authority as clearly stated in Senate Report 93-549 (1973)
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their
lives under *emergency rule. For 40 years, [75 years now in 2008]
freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution
have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by
statutes of national emergency."
"The regional Federal Reserve banks are not government
agencies. ...but are independent, privately owned and locally
controlled corporations." -- Lewis vs. United States, 680 F. 2d 1239
9th Circuit 1982
"I have never seen more Senators express discontent with their
jobs....I think the major cause is that, deep down in our hearts, we
have been accomplices in doing something terrible and unforgivable to
our wonderful country. Deep down in our heart, we know that we have
given our children a legacy of bankruptcy. We have defrauded our
country to get ourselves elected." -- John Danforth (R-Mo)
"If Congress has the right [it doesn't] to issue paper money
[currency], it was given to them to be used by...[the government] and
not to be delegated to individuals or corporations." -- President
Andrew Jackson, Vetoed Bank Bill of 1836
"But if in the pursuit of the means we should unfortunately stumble
again on unfunded paper money or any similar species of fraud, we
shall assuredly give a fatal stab to our national credit in its
infancy. Paper money will invariably operate in the body of politics
as spirit liquors on the human body. They prey on the vitals and
ultimately destroy them. Paper money has had the effect in your state
that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open
the door to every species of fraud and injustice." -- George
Washington in a letter to Jabez Bowen, Rhode Island, Jan. 9, 1787
"Every Congressman, every Senator knows precisely what causes
inflation...but can't, [won't] support the drastic reforms to stop it
[repeal of the Federal Reserve Act] because it could cost him his
job." -- Robert A. Heinlein, Expanded Universe
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's
laws."-- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild
"
The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from
it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no
opposition from that class." -- Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863
"...the increase in the assets of the Federal Reserve banks from 143
million dollars in 1913 to 45 billion dollars in 1949 went directly to
the private stockholders of the [federal reserve] banks." -- Eustace
Mullins
"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our
system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have
come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely
controlled and dominated governments in the world-- no longer a
government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and
vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of
small groups of dominant men." -- President Woodrow Wilson
Peace,
Doc
Petoeroek
On Apr 13, 10:45 pm, "Petoeroek" <Petoer...@nganadiam.com> wrote:
> "Tchiowa" <tchio...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:029d8e2d-1672-4454...@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 13, 1:34 pm, "Petoeroek" <Petoer...@nganadiam.com> wrote:
>
> > It's time, however, for the world to find alternate fuels other than oil
> > or petroleum.
> >Agreed. But every time an energy business comes up with ideas the
> >Loony Left Greens shoot it down.
>
> That we don't know for sure. Everbody is talking about change. Everybody
> wants change. Everybody is tired of politics as usual.
But we do know it for sure. Look at the plans to extract fuel from tar
sands in Canada. Canada sits on more "energy" that all of the Middle
East. As soon as it became economically viable to extract it so the
energy companies proposed doing it, the Loony Left went bonkers and
filed lawsuits.
Same thing happened with hydrogen fuel cells. As soon as the Loony
Left found out that the best source of hydrogen for the fuel cells was
natural gas they took up ar,s.
> > Consumers in the US are at he mercy of oil producing countries. Some
> > weren't able to buy gasoline for their cars any more.
> >Be serious.
>
> Why do you think gas tanks got siphoned at night?
I see. Never happened before? Why do you think locking gas caps were
invented 3 decades ago?
I don't know where you live, but even with locking gas caps AND locked door
to reach the gas caps, gas siphoners are smarter than car owners. They are
very "innovative" and I don't want to describe how they do it because I
don't want to give thieves more ideas...
What evidence do you have that it's happening
with greater frequency now?
> > Workers who are making minimum wages have no choice but to go to and
> > from
> > work on public bus or on bicycles.
>
> > Which part of the US do you see that? Remember that gas in the US is
> > still about half the price it is in Europe. What actually happens is
> > that people are cutting back spending elsewhere.
>
> Because of what? Because of the 30% increase in the price of rice, or
> because of the 150% increase in the price of gasoline? Remember, America
> is
> a big country.
Yes, they are cutting back because of things like the increase in gas
price. But you didn't say that. You said, specifically, that they were
going to work on bicycles.
Most people are too lazy to exercise on bicycles...they go on bicycles
because they have no gas...some even bought cheap motorcycles to save on
gas...
> Good paying jobs are no longer available next door. Many people, unlike in
> smaller countries like Singapore, have to travel 50 or 60 miles a day to
> go
> to work. And a tankful of gas last only 2 days, whereas it could last
> about
> a week when gasoline prices were still low.
What???? Now you're saying that high gas prices made cars less fuel
efficient???
No, it makes the wallet less efficient...:)
A tankful of gas is more expensive, but unless they
installed a Hum-V engine in their Toyota over the weekend, a tankful
of gas will take the car just as far as it used to.
> > "Petty" crimes are on the rise.
> >Get serious.
>
> If you park your car under a car port (open garage) make sure that your
> car
> has a good security system and make doubly sure that the doors are
> securely
> locked. I forgot to lock the doors of my car a few nights ago and the
> following morning I noticed that someone has cleaned up my car, the glove
> compartment, the ash tray container where I keep small change, the pockets
> at my door where I kept some documents, and the trunk of my car, all
> contents were gone!
That has *always* been the case. You said that the crimes were *on the
rise*.
They are on the rise because people are desperate. Do you remember what
Obama said, people are turning to guns and religion...
> > Food prices are going up. Transportation costs go up.
>
> True and true.
>
> > Consumers with credit card
> > debts have to choose between paying their debts or buying gasoline for
> > their cars.
> >Nonsense.
>
> Maybe it is nonsense for a wealthy man like you
i'm saying it's nonsense because the statement simply isn't true.
It is not true when you can still pay your credit cards.
But to those who have to choose between buying gas to go to work, or pay
their credit cards and not go to work,
because they have no money to buy gasoline, to them what I said is very
true!
I think the wealthy don't know what the poor have to go through in life...
Good soldier
<Peto...@nganadiam.com> wrote:
>
>"Tchiowa" <tchi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:091506af-af81-4ae5...@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>On Apr 13, 10:45 pm, "Petoeroek" <Petoer...@nganadiam.com> wrote:
>> "Tchiowa" <tchio...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:029d8e2d-1672-4454...@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 13, 1:34 pm, "Petoeroek" <Petoer...@nganadiam.com> wrote:
>>
>> > It's time, however, for the world to find alternate fuels other than oil
>> > or petroleum.
>> >Agreed. But every time an energy business comes up with ideas the
>> >Loony Left Greens shoot it down.
>>
>> That we don't know for sure. Everbody is talking about change. Everybody
>> wants change. Everybody is tired of politics as usual.
>
>But we do know it for sure. Look at the plans to extract fuel from tar
>sands in Canada. Canada sits on more "energy" that all of the Middle
>East. As soon as it became economically viable to extract it so the
>energy companies proposed doing it, the Loony Left went bonkers and
>filed lawsuits.
What actually happened was that the process was proved successful but
at that time the cost of extracting hydro-carbons and then making
gasoline or diesel was higher then the product was selling for at the
pumps so the project was put on hold, or possibly abandoned. Once the
process was proven I sort of lost interest and didn't pay much
attention to the final outcome.
Research any of the Petroleum trade magazines for articles about the
process as it was often written up.
>
>Same thing happened with hydrogen fuel cells. As soon as the Loony
>Left found out that the best source of hydrogen for the fuel cells was
>natural gas they took up ar,s.
>
Are you talking about fuel cells or are you talking about hydrogen
used as fuel? I know little about fuel cells but hydrogen used for
fuel gas is most easily extracted from water.
>> > Consumers in the US are at he mercy of oil producing countries. Some
>> > weren't able to buy gasoline for their cars any more.
>> >Be serious.
And how did that happen, given that nearly all the oil field
technology was developed by the U.S., most of the major drilling
companies are U.S., the largest oil company in the world is U.S. and I
might point out has just had its highest income year ever. But it is
the nasty oil producing countries that are solely at fault.
Boy, you really need to wake up and smell the flowers.
Arfur Moo
<goodsoldi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<c6b8041u39tm2a165...@4ax.com>:
>
> [. . .] hydrogen used for fuel gas is most easily extracted from water.
>
That's an exciting piece of news. Can you tell us where we can read further
about the rosy economics of the said easy extraction?
I would love to be able to make hydrogen easily (and implicitly cheaply) from
water, then use the hydrogen to propel my car, then collect the hydrogen
oxide from the car's tailpipe, then use that freshly minted water to make
more hydrogen, which I would use to propel my car . . .
During my sleep my eyes are in perpetual motion dreaming of a Nobel Prize.
>
> [. . .]
>
--
Arfur Moo
(NB: Those of you who want to post a reply to this message should read the
"Followup-To:" line in my headers and then reinstate any destination group
that you want to reinstate.)
achtung
On Apr 12, 4:38 pm, beng1 <5191...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is getting out of hand!
> Kopi-O is now S$0.80 in all kopitiams!
>
Tchiowa
> "Tchiowa" <tchio...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > Maybe it is nonsense for a wealthy man like you
>
> i'm saying it's nonsense because the statement simply isn't true.
>
> It is not true when you can still pay your credit cards.
> But to those who have to choose between buying gas to go to work, or pay
> their credit cards and not go to work,
> because they have no money to buy gasoline, to them what I said is very
> true!
>
> I think the wealthy don't know what the poor have to go through in life...
When did I become wealthy?
I'm not wealthy. But I do have a good job. Do you assume that everyone
with a job or everyone who does become wealthy was born middle-aged
and successful? Do you think most didn't have to go through a stage of
not knowing where our next meal was coming from?
Your post showed that you have very little understanding about what
life is really like.
Tchiowa
wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:20:36 -0700, "Petoeroek"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Tchiowa" <tchio...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:091506af-af81-4ae5...@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> >On Apr 13, 10:45 pm, "Petoeroek" <Petoer...@nganadiam.com> wrote:
> >> "Tchiowa" <tchio...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:029d8e2d-1672-4454...@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Apr 13, 1:34 pm, "Petoeroek" <Petoer...@nganadiam.com> wrote:
>
> >> > It's time, however, for the world to find alternate fuels other than oil
> >> > or petroleum.
> >> >Agreed. But every time an energy business comes up with ideas the
> >> >Loony Left Greens shoot it down.
>
> >> That we don't know for sure. Everbody is talking about change. Everybody
> >> wants change. Everybody is tired of politics as usual.
>
> >But we do know it for sure. Look at the plans to extract fuel from tar
> >sands in Canada. Canada sits on more "energy" that all of the Middle
> >East. As soon as it became economically viable to extract it so the
> >energy companies proposed doing it, the Loony Left went bonkers and
> >filed lawsuits.
>
> What actually happened was that the process was proved successful but
> at that time the cost of extracting hydro-carbons and then making
> gasoline or diesel was higher then the product was selling for at the
> pumps so the project was put on hold, or possibly abandoned. Once the
> process was proven I sort of lost interest and didn't pay much
> attention to the final outcome.
I did. And, as I said, once the price of oil grew high enough that
extracting energy from tar sands, GTL, etc. became economically viable
the Loony Left started filing lawsuits to stop it.
> Research any of the Petroleum trade magazines for articles about the
> process as it was often written up.
I don't have to. It's the business I'm in.
> >Same thing happened with hydrogen fuel cells. As soon as the Loony
> >Left found out that the best source of hydrogen for the fuel cells was
> >natural gas they took up ar,s.
>
> Are you talking about fuel cells or are you talking about hydrogen
> used as fuel? I know little about fuel cells but hydrogen used for
> fuel gas is most easily extracted from water.
Fuel cells. Hydrogen used as fuel is too dangerous and unstable.
You make the same wrong assumption that most environmentalists make
about hydrogen. Yes, it can be extracted from water. But it takes more
energy to extract it that you get after extracted. A little thing
called entropy.
However, you can extract it from natural gas much more easily and you
get a net energy gain rather than an energy loss.