More lies about Allah as Christian God
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
and even went to church.
As primary school children I used to argue with my Christian class
mates about religion but go to their houses to enjoy the Sumazau
dances.
One thing is sure. Allah is reserved as a Muslim God but we use the
words Tuhan to describe God. Just because there are a few Allah words
in Indonesian translated bibles in Malay, does not mean that Allah is
widely used in Sabah and Sarawak.
I have never seen Malay bibles until recently. We learn bible in
English. Bibles are also provided in English and this is many years
after Malaysia, in 1967 onwards. My christian friends take pride to
learn the bible in English partly because we cannot find bibles in
Malay in book shops.
To justify wide use of Allah even before Malaysia is just a
preposterous lie. So don't ever claim that Sabahans Christians have
been using Allah as their god even before Malaysia. Even in Sarawak,
my friends who are Sarawakian never mention about the funny culture of
using Allah as a Christian God in Sarawak.
May some cults in the jungle had used Allah hidden from the rest of
Society in Sabah and Sarawak, hiding the Malay bibles. About more than
ten years ago, I began to notice Malay bibles but I don't bother to
read because I read the bible in English and my Christian friends all
read their bibles in English because most of them are well versed in
English.
Even if this were true, that natives in Sabah who are not well versed
in English, read the Malay bibles instead of the English bible but
that could only happen when English was no longer the main medium of
instruction, and cannot be before Malaysia,and most probably not
before 1994.
That means, Allah had never been widely used in Sabah and Sarawak,
even now. Just because there are a few posters put up a few years ago,
does not mean that Christians in Sabah use Allah as their God in their
prayers. Yes, many muslims overhear their prayers in the remote
villages. No mention about using Allah as their god, but condemning
Islam is very frequent indeed. In fact that is what they are good at.
Now this. Failing to condemn Islam by spreading lies about the
violences of Islam, they now resort to confuse Muslims into thinking
that Christianity is compatible with Islam to the point of having the
same concept of god by using Allah as one of the trinity in
Christianity.
You call a chinese scholar a liar but at least he is a scholar. And
you are certainly not. Who do you think people believe first? I am
also a Sabahan and a professional engineer and scholar. I condemn you
as the liar.
Wild accusation from scholar disappointing
Tanak Wagu
Jan 4, 10
6:34pm
I refer to the letter The 'Chinese ethnic Islamic scholar' is his own
worst enemy.
I was shocked to read the article by Dr Ridhuan Tee Abdullah in
Mingguan Malaysia on Dec 27. Though I am not a reader of Utusan
Malaysia, I decided to check the article out after reading about it
here..
In his article, he had made an unwarranted comment against Christians.
He claims that Christians have only recently decided to use the word
'Allah' and they are doing it for the purpose of confusing Muslims!
It is very disappointing to know that such a wild accusation could
come from a supposedly- esteemed scholar like Tee.
His statement reflects his ignorance. That a scholar could show such
ignorance speaks volumes about the quality of our academicians.
For Tee's information, the word 'Allah' has been used by Christians in
Sabah and Sarawak long before the formation of Malaysia.
With the large presence of Sabahan and Sarawakian Christians in West
Malaysia, it is not surprising to find large quantities of Christian
literature in the Malay language in West Malaysia.
If Tee cannot accept this, then he might as well suggest Sabah and
Sarawak leave Malaysia. One irony of the article he wrote was that the
title seemed to be a criticism of himself.
The Cynic
"Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" <oth...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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>I am a Sabah and have studied with Christian class mates of all races
> and even went to church.
> As primary school children I used to argue with my Christian class
> mates about religion but go to their houses to enjoy the Sumazau
> dances.
Hmm. Interesting history. Now you just answer the question I raised in a
previous post. In case you are unable to retrieve it, I am reproducing it
below.
You are against non-Muslims using the name Allah to denote their god
as you claim only Muslims have the patent right to do so. So be it.
Now, what is your stand on Muslims using religious words of other
faiths in their religious activities?
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
> "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" <othm...@lycos.com> wrote in messagenews:e706ea6b-3b0a-425a...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I am a Sabah and have studied with Christian class mates of all races
> > and even went to church.
> > As primary school children I used to argue with my Christian class
> > mates about religion but go to their houses to enjoy the Sumazau
> > dances.
>
> Hmm. Interesting history. Now you just answer the question I raised in a
> previous post. In case you are unable to retrieve it, I am reproducing it
> below.
>
> You are against non-Muslims using the name Allah to denote their god
I have no objection to this showing how you lied again and again. Why
can't you argue your case without lying?
I only object to christians, especially catholics and protestants in
SAbah and Sarawak from using the word Allah,
because it is totally different in philosophy and meanings. Allah is
not compatible with trinity or versions of it.
Even Christians who revert to Judaism monotheism, do not use Allah,
but Jehovah, which is equivalent to Allah.
I have no objection to cultish Indonesian Chrsitans, who actually
define God in similar ways to the description of Allah in Islam.
They even deny strongly that Jesus was ever a God or have any divine
characteristics.
> as you claim only Muslims have the patent right to do so. So be it.
Muslims may not be, but Malays in their own language of Malay, has the
right to define Allah in the way they see fit.
And in this case, Allah is only a Muslim god in the Malay language.
The correct translation for God in Malay is Tuhan, not Allah.
Allah is a special god, reserved to Islamic definitions of God, as
defined in the Malay language.
Any non-native Malay speaking people, especially the natives of Sabah
and Sarawak, has no right to corrupt the Malay language by redefining
the meaning of Allah that is contrary to the accepted norms. This is
called cheating, lying and misleading the people in order to confuse
and distort their true beliefs.
Why should the Christians in Sabah and Sarawak have to resort to such
ill-meaning tactics? Have you no fear of God?
> Now, what is your stand on Muslims using religious words of other
> faiths in their religious activities?
We have never denied using the religious words of other faiths as long
as they are defined as they were originally meant to be.
In fact, the quran clearly states that Allah is not the only accepted
word for the Supreme being. Other faiths can also go to heaven if
their beliefs coincide with the true monotheism that is compulsory for
Islam. One of them is the Shabani(?), not just the people of the book,
i.e original Jews, not the pork eating non-circumcised Jews, and
original Christians, those that fast and were circumcised just as
Jesus was.
Superbee
wrote:
So, based on Sabah and Sarawak's definition, Muslims have been praying
to the wrong God (or right God, depending on your point of view), all
a...long.
CPC - Communist Party of China
Wakalukong
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And you should just drill a wall, thief.
Wakalukong
Jesus Christ , a long - term fucker of the Prostitute St . Mary 's cunt hole , is an Unique Son of GOD
CPC is your Motherland .
or you prefer to be " Chinese Native " of ASEAN ?
The Cynic
wrote:
> On Jan 4, 10:28 pm, "The Cynic" <kosong...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" <othm...@lycos.com> wrote in messagenews:e706ea6b-3b0a-425a...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >I am a Sabah and have studied with Christian class mates of all races
> > > and even went to church.
> > > As primary school children I used to argue with my Christian class
> > > mates about religion but go to their houses to enjoy the Sumazau
> > > dances.
>
> > Hmm. Interesting history. Now you just answer the question I raised in a
> > previous post. In case you are unable to retrieve it, I am reproducing it
> > below.
>
> > You are against non-Muslims using the name Allah to denote their god
>
> I have no objection to this showing how you lied again and again. Why
> can't you argue your case without lying?
>
> I only object to christians, especially catholics and protestants in
> SAbah and Sarawak from using the word Allah,
> because it is totally different in philosophy and meanings. Allah is
> not compatible with trinity or versions of it.
> Even Christians who revert to Judaism monotheism, do not use Allah,
> but Jehovah, which is equivalent to Allah.
>
> I have no objection to cultish Indonesian Chrsitans, who actually
> define God in similar ways to the description of Allah in Islam.
> They even deny strongly that Jesus was ever a God or have any divine
> characteristics.
>
object to christians, especially catholics and protestants in SAbah
contradict yourself by saying "I have no objection to cultish
Indonesian Chrsitans, who actually define God in similar ways to the
sentences are in full agreement with each other. LOL
And with your circumcised brain you accuse me of being a
liar!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you for or against non-Muslims using the word Allah? Don't give
the crap the use is subject to certain conditions. LOL
> > as you claim only Muslims have the patent right to do so. So be it.
>
> Muslims may not be, but Malays in their own language of Malay, has the
> right to define Allah in the way they see fit.
> And in this case, Allah is only a Muslim god in the Malay language.
When you say: "Allah is only a Muslim god in the Malay language",
aren't you implying there are other gods as well? The reason for my
query is that you had written "a Muslim god" instead of "the Muslim
god". I am sure you meant what you wrote since you had claimed
elsewhere you are a professional.
> The correct translation for God in Malay is Tuhan, not Allah.
> Allah is a special god, reserved to Islamic definitions of God, as
> defined in the Malay language.
>
> Any non-native Malay speaking people, especially the natives of Sabah
> and Sarawak, has no right to corrupt the Malay language by redefining
> the meaning of Allah that is contrary to the accepted norms. This is
> called cheating, lying and misleading the people in order to confuse
> and distort their true beliefs.
>
> Why should the Christians in Sabah and Sarawak have to resort to such
> ill-meaning tactics?
Look at your argument this way. If you have done your research and are
convinced your Philips TV set is a good product, you will definitely
not change it for any other brand, unless the rival brand offers you
superior features and make you current set inferior. Likewise, if you
have a superior brand of religion, why fear?
>Have you no fear of God?
I don't sell any snake oil. Neither do I believe in any religion as
they are all man-made. Now go and sleep with your question.
> > Now, what is your stand on Muslims using religious words of other
> > faiths in their religious activities?
>
> We have never denied using the religious words of other faiths as long
> as they are defined as they were originally meant to be.
Hee hee hee. You have just shot yourself in your foot. Can't this same
line be used against you?
> In fact, the quran clearly states that Allah is not the only accepted
> word for the Supreme being. Other faiths can also go to heaven if
> their beliefs coincide with the true monotheism that is compulsory for
> Islam. One of them is the Shabani(?), not just the people of the book,
> i.e original Jews, not the pork eating non-circumcised Jews, and
> original Christians, those that fast and were circumcised just as
> Jesus was.
What a load of myth for zombies!
And finally my question for Christians. Since religion is the opium of
masses, why must you waste your time on this useless muck? Go and get
a life.
Wakalukong
and that you know next to nothing about Malaysia and the Malays?
On Jan 5, 7:39 pm, "Komin the Thief, a long - term fucker of hole on
> > Wakalukong- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hatjman Hunsen , mafia Boss of Cambodia
for the Chinese people.
just like Vietnamese are in Cambodia .
Wakalukong
<hatjman.hun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chinse are in Malaysia to claim Malaysia
> for the Chinese people.
> just like Vietnamese are in Cambodia .
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Go drill a wall, thief.
Wakalukong
wakalukong
the Black Fucking Learngar Cock of the Holy Boudha
China
be
also " Chinese Natives " .. of ASEAN ?
Wakalukong
> all Chinese in ASEAN are " New Chinese natives " of ASEAN .
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You're wakalukong? BALLS, you're Komin the Thief aka the Black Lean
Cock. Open your stinking mouth.
[Shit]
Good? Hahahaha!
Wakalukong
Wakalukong
Boudha <mahatmanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> wakalukong, will all future still to be borned Chinese in
> China
> be
> also " Chinese Natives " .. of ASEAN ?
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Black Lean Cock, why are your talking to yourself? Here's how you can
use your time better instead of trying so hard to fool no one: open
your mouth.
[Shit]
See, I knew you'd love it. Hahahaha!
Wakalukong
Vishnu , om Mangalam Mangalam
or are you a Chinese native of China ?
On Jan 8, 10:12 am, Wakalukong <wakaluk...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
Wakalukong
On Jan 8, 11:07 pm, "Vishnu , om Mangalam Mangalam"
Wahap@gmail.com Abdul Wahap
"Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" <oth...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Wahap@gmail.com Abdul Wahap
"The Cynic" <i.the...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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And so by implication , your statement that Allah is a special god, you have
just stated that there are many other gods. How many other are there Haji?
As a muslim, I think you should be beheaded for stating there are many other
gods. Islam does not permit you to believe in the existence of other gods.
Wahap@gmail.com Abdul Wahap
"Abdul Wahap" <Abdul Wa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Haji Othman, don't you know that the Sabahans and Sarawakians have using
been that word long before they joined Malaysia. Do you knowMohammed copied
the word from the Jews?
>>
>> Why should the Christians in Sabah and Sarawak have to resort to such
>> ill-meaning tactics?
>
> Look at your argument this way. If you have done your research and are
> convinced your Philips TV set is a good product, you will definitely
> not change it for any other brand, unless the rival brand offers you
> superior features and make you current set inferior. Likewise, if you
> have a superior brand of religion, why fear?
>
>>Have you no fear of God?
>
> I don't sell any snake oil. Neither do I believe in any religion as
> they are all man-made. Now go and sleep with your question.
>
>> > Now, what is your stand on Muslims using religious words of other
>> > faiths in their religious activities?
>>
>> We have never denied using the religious words of other faiths as long
>> as they are defined as they were originally meant to be.
>
> Hee hee hee. You have just shot yourself in your foot. Can't this same
> line be used against you?
It will be good if he decides to shoot himself in the head instead and stop
causing so much embarrassment to all muslims