der Indoeuropäische Urheimat
«Pas de deux»
http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/articles/ieorigins/
vkar...@yahoo.com
>
> Subject: der Indoeuropäische Urheimat
>
Dear «Pas de deux»,
I have noticed that you inundate Usenet with posts that out of the blue
quote foreign words in order to impress your fellow morons with your
"poliglotic abilities". And as long as this practice alleviates your
anxieties and deep inferiority compleces - I am all for it.
However, please, please don't mangle the victim languages! it'not
enough to bookmark an online English-German dictionary. You should take
2 or 3 introductory German grammar lessons in order to be able to use
the dictionary.
You see, the word "Urheimat" is feminine. And the article in front of
feminine German words is "die" not "der". "Der" is masculine.
The correct term is "die Indoeuropäische Urheimat", not "der
Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
Although, if you were to use prepositions, you would say "aus der
Indoeuropäische Urheimat". But that's too advanced to explain to a
novice like yourself.
And happy future showing-offs to you!
Zoltan Manyoki
>...
> The correct term is "die Indoeuropäische Urheimat", not "der
> Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
>
> Although, if you were to use prepositions, you would say "aus der
> Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
Wenn schon, denn schon: "aus der indoeuropäischen Urheimat"
(zwei Fehler in einem oberlehrerischen Satz)
Also: folge deiner eigenen Empfehlung. Erst danach hast du
recht andere auszubessern.
Zoltan
vkar...@yahoo.com
> vkar...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >...
> > The correct term is "die Indoeuropäische Urheimat", not "der
> > Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
> >
> > Although, if you were to use prepositions, you would say "aus der
> > Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
>
> Wenn schon, denn schon: "aus der indoeuropäischen Urheimat"
> (zwei Fehler in einem oberlehrerischen Satz)
> Also: folge deiner eigenen Empfehlung. Erst danach hast du
> recht andere auszubessern.
>
> Zoltan
>
Danke, Zoltan.
vkar...@yahoo.com
> vkar...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >...
> > The correct term is "die Indoeuropäische Urheimat", not "der
> > Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
> >
> > Although, if you were to use prepositions, you would say "aus der
> > Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
>
> Wenn schon, denn schon: "aus der indoeuropäischen Urheimat"
> (zwei Fehler in einem oberlehrerischen Satz)
> Also: folge deiner eigenen Empfehlung. Erst danach hast du
> recht andere auszubessern.
>
> Zoltan
>
Thanks, I should be more careful with cut-and-paste.
«Pas de deux»
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>... "poliglotic abilities".
Learn to spell.
>You see, the word "Urheimat" is feminine. [...] The correct term is
>"die Indoeuropäische Urheimat", not "der Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
Yeah, OK, so I was too lazy to check, shame on me.
However, you make a big mistake challenging me to a contest of
linguistic ability.
Being a gentleman, I warn you away to spare you massive humiliation.
GK de Montréal
vkar...@yahoo.com
> <vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1122255359.7...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >... "poliglotic abilities".
>
> Learn to spell.
>
> >You see, the word "Urheimat" is feminine. [...] The correct term is
> >"die Indoeuropäische Urheimat", not "der Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
>
> Yeah, OK, so I was too lazy to check, shame on me.
>
A question is: given that you don't know any German, why do you show by
trying to use it?
MORE IMPORTANTLY: even if you DID know it - why would you insist on
showing this off without any need for this? For example, why do you
insist on swearing at your opponents in English+brokenGerman+French?
Don't you think this is highly immature?
>
> However, you make a big mistake challenging me to a contest of
> linguistic ability.
>
I have no interest in engaging in such a pissing contest with you.
>
> Being a gentleman, I warn you away to spare you massive humiliation.
>
Whatever.
Eugene Holman
<kamou...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Hmmm. Could you put your cards on the table?
Regards,
Eugene Holman
Eugene Holman
vkar...@yahoo.com wrote:
> =ABPas de deux=BB wrote:
> >
> > Subject: der Indoeurop=E4ische Urheimat
> >
>
> Dear =ABPas de deux=BB,
>
> I have noticed that you inundate Usenet with posts that out of the blue
> quote foreign words in order to impress your fellow morons with your
> "poliglotic abilities". And as long as this practice alleviates your
> anxieties and deep inferiority compleces - I am all for it.
>
> However, please, please don't mangle the victim languages! it'not
> enough to bookmark an online English-German dictionary. You should take
> 2 or 3 introductory German grammar lessons in order to be able to use
> the dictionary.
>
> You see, the word "Urheimat" is feminine. And the article in front of
> feminine German words is "die" not "der". "Der" is masculine.
>
> The correct term is "die Indoeurop=E4ische Urheimat", not "der
> Indoeurop=E4ische Urheimat".
>
> Although, if you were to use prepositions, you would say "aus der
> Indoeurop=E4ische Urheimat". But that's too advanced to explain to a
> novice like yourself.
>
> And happy future showing-offs to you!
An opening gambit. How will *Pas de deux* respond?
Regards,
Eugene Holman
MTRP
> vkar...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > The correct term is "die Indoeuropäische Urheimat", not "der
> > Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
> > Although, if you were to use prepositions, you would say "aus der
> > Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
> Wenn schon, denn schon: "aus der indoeuropäischen Urheimat"
> (zwei Fehler in einem oberlehrerischen Satz)
> Also: folge deiner eigenen Empfehlung. Erst danach hast du
> recht andere auszubessern.
Wrong imperative. At best it can be referred to as elitarian
specification of general hypothetical imperative. Whereas we live in
wonderful times of progressive democracy and interactive illiteracy. So
forget Kant & Co. Now back to the Subject, what's the point? Even
Brookski knows that Russia = Nasha Indoevropeyskaya Rodina. Ergo all
decent SCR + SCB + SCG readers should hail Russia or just shut up!
P.S. All Magyars should first learn Russian and then hail Russia 2.
Captain!
heh heh, he's got you there eh GK?
C.M.T.
"Zoltan Manyoki" <man...@ieee.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> vkar...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>...
>> The correct term is "die Indoeuropäische Urheimat", not "der
>> Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
>>
>> Although, if you were to use prepositions, you would say "aus der
>> Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
>
> Wenn schon, denn schon: "aus der indoeuropäischen Urheimat"
> (zwei Fehler in einem oberlehrerischen Satz)
> Also: folge deiner eigenen Empfehlung. Erst danach hast du recht
> andere auszubessern.
>
> Zoltan
Azt hittem neked legalább több eszed van, nem
gyüjtöd a hülyéket a keresztbepisálással......
Franceski
"MTRP" <Mir.To...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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gilgames
P.S. All Magyars should first learn Russian and then hail Russia 2.
>>
Between 1949 and 1989 with the exception of one year all magyars where
forced to learn Russian. Why hail forcing why not the freedom?
Musashi Miyamoto
"Franceski" <lu...@me.ca> wrote in message
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: Vive la Russie!!
:
I don't have a 21 gun salute but I fart 21 times in Russia's direction!
:
: "MTRP" <Mir.To...@gmx.de> wrote in message
:
:
Franceski
"Musashi Miyamoto" <Sam...@Shinjuku.jp> wrote in message
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>
> "Franceski" <lu...@me.ca> wrote in message
> news:YicFe.23855$hu6.4...@wagner.videotron.net...
> : Vive la Russie!!
> :
>
> I don't have a 21 gun salute but I fart 21 times in Russia's direction!
It is the intention that matters.
tur...@shaw.ca
<Sam...@Shinjuku.jp> wrote:
>"Franceski" <lu...@me.ca> wrote in message
>news:YicFe.23855$hu6.4...@wagner.videotron.net...
>: Vive la Russie!!
>:
>
>I don't have a 21 gun salute but I fart 21 times in Russia's direction!
all chauvinist idiots f.-off!
vkar...@yahoo.com
>
> I don't have a 21 gun salute but I fart 21 times in Russia's direction!
>
Yes, that's what the police report must have said: "The suspect,
Brookski, engaged in 21 acts of farting in the general eastward
direction, in the middle of a crowded downtown restaurant. He claimed
that public farting is part of his country's high culture. After a
medical exam, he was fined and released".
«Pas de deux»
"Musashi Miyamoto" <Sam...@Shinjuku.jp> wrote in message
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>
> news:YicFe.23855$hu6.4...@wagner.videotron.net...
> : Vive la Russie!!
> :
>
> I don't have a 21 gun salute but I fart 21 times in Russia's
> direction!
>
opportunistic theft that was! Just like stealing Bornholm from Denmark.
«Pas de deux»
vkar...@yahoo.com
Who cares? The damage has already been done: all his friends and
enemies now know that he is a pompous and ignorant show-off. He will
have to live with this fact for the rest of his "Usenet life".
tur...@shaw.ca
<kamou...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Starting with you, "un rat".
go learn some german
Zoltan Manyoki
> "Franceski" <lu...@me.ca> wrote in message
> news:YicFe.23855$hu6.4...@wagner.videotron.net...
> : Vive la Russie!!
> :
>
> I don't have a 21 gun salute but I fart 21 times in Russia's direction!
that's as good as they'll ever deserve. i´ll join your band.
zoltan
«Pas de deux»
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You are a joke. You couldn't even get the German right when you were
trying to correct me. Drop dead, rat-breath.
«Pas de deux»
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I'll be glad when all you assholes get tired of SCB and drop by the
wayside just as all the other trolls have done over the past months and
years.
MedvE
clue about things you discuss. The island was occupied by germans in 4
years, and at the end of the war by Soviet for less than a year. Since
1946-04-05 the island is given back to Denmark.
/ LaszloK
tur...@shaw.ca
>In «Pas de deux»'s case, ignorance is bliss. Unfamiliarity with facts
>gives him more opportunity to post more drivel.
and his german sux too
he is a wannabe german, a germ-man
vkar...@yahoo.com
> "Musashi Miyamoto" <Sam...@Shinjuku.jp> wrote in message
> news:gBcFe.14328$_x.1...@fe11.lga...
> >
> > "Franceski" <lu...@me.ca> wrote in message
> > news:YicFe.23855$hu6.4...@wagner.videotron.net...
> > : Vive la Russie!!
> > :
> >
> > I don't have a 21 gun salute but I fart 21 times in Russia's
> > direction!
> >
> Yeah. Time for them to give back the Kuril islands.
>
First of all, you should know that this "Musashi Miyamoto" is the
latest alias of Mark Brooks, who has no realtion to Japan. Except that
he probably hates them as he hates all non-Americans (Canadians in
particular).
Second, if Japan and Germany didn't want to lose their own territory,
they should have thought twice before invading other countries and
starting World War II.
vkar...@yahoo.com
>
«Pas de deux» wrote:
>
> > Yeah. Time for them to give back the Kuril islands. Shamful
> > opportunistic theft that was! Just like stealing Bornholm from
> > Denmark.
>
>
> Bornholm IS Denmarks, not stolen by Russia. You don't seem to have a
> clue about things you discuss.
>
In «Pas de deux»'s case, ignorance is bliss. Unfamiliarity with facts
gives him more opportunity to post more drivel.
>
Musashi Miyamoto
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: <vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
:
Don't concern yourself with Karla. The apparatchnik is still upset he lost
his job at the kolhoz but Lukashenko didn't lose his.
«Pas de deux»
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>If Japan and Germany didn't want to lose their own territory, they
>should have thought twice before invading other countries and starting
>World War II.
A very facile and self-serving argument. USA, Britain, France and other
countries were victors in WWII as well. Why didn't they rip bits off
Germany and Japan and occupy them?
GK
«Pas de deux»
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MedvE wrote:
>
> Bornholm IS Denmarks, not stolen by Russia. You don't seem to have a
> clue about things you discuss.
>The island was occupied by germans in 4
> years, and at the end of the war by Soviet for less than a year. Since
> 1946-04-05 the island is given back to Denmark.
You and your Russian mate are both shameful idiots. Of course I know
USSR was forced to give Bornholm back to Denmark. I was referring to
your shitty countrymen' attempt at stealing it. Both of you pubic lice
obviously regret that the attempt failed.
No more crossposting to sci.lang and soc.culture.magyar for me. I will
be glad to see the last of you pernicious trolls.
GK
MedvE
And you KNOW that Soviet gave back Bornholm, but you still clamed that
they stole it? Then you are a simple liar, aren't you?
And now russians are my countrymen too????
Now how STUPID are you ?
If you kept yourself to the Kuril Islands, or Karelia or other true
exemples of the soviet/russian imperialism, you could receive
everybodies sympathy. But when you don't know what you are talking
about, or when you deliberately claim false allegations, then you are
only a stupid asshole.
/ LaszloK
António Marques
one use to favour 'indogermanisch'?
--
am
laurus : rhodophyta : brezoneg : smalltalk : stargate
MTRP
> > If Japan and Germany didn't want to lose their own territory, they
> > should have thought twice before invading other countries and starting
> > World War II.
> A very facile and self-serving argument. USA, Britain, France and other
> countries were victors in WWII as well. Why didn't they rip bits off
> Germany and Japan and occupy them?
??? USA did and still does. UK and France did not really participate in
US war against Japan, so they got nothing there. But they too occupied
parts of Germany (Brits still do under NATO disguse).
gilgames
I'm not familiar with the current german literature, but didn't the old
one use to favour 'indogermanisch'?
>>
In the fifties in the Hungarian schools the group was called Indogerman,
the change there happened later. In the eighties in the US the word
Indogerman was footnote only in the books. The Words Major Languages
(1990) uses only Indo European.
MTRP
> Musashi Miyamoto wrote:
> > "Franceski" wrote:
> > > Vive la Russie!!
> > I don't have a 21 gun salute but I fart 21 times in Russia's direction!
> that's as good as they'll ever deserve. i´ll join your band.
Good luck, then. A Magyar who participated in the murder of Russian
Czar and his family already tried his luck ... in 1956 if I remember
correctly ... :-P
James A. Doemer
There is a vast difference between being invited to stay (which the German
government has done with UK & US bases in Germany) and a forced occupation.
James A. Doemer
Just as a point of fact. The U.S. did occupy both Germany and Japan for a
number of years after WWII, Japan longer than Germany I believe. We didn't
stay their for the purpose of taking their countries over, just to try to
ensure that the conditions that led to WWII could not repeat themselves.
gilgames
There is a vast difference between being invited to stay (which the German
government has done with UK & US bases in Germany) and a forced occupation.
>>
In Hungary the later prime minister Kadar invited the the Russian
military to stay. IMHO there was no plebiscite in the case neither in
Germany.
Peter T. Daniels
> No more crossposting to sci.lang and soc.culture.magyar for me. I will
> be glad to see the last of you pernicious trolls.
We're sick of your empty promises.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
António Marques
I mean(t) GERMAN literature.
Franceski
Only France shown some respect to German people and started to develop
multi-lateral institutions through the coal and steel pact at first.
Musashi Miyamoto
"James A. Doemer" <ckdbigto...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:
: "MTRP" <Mir.To...@gmx.de> wrote in message
: news:1122456920.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
: «Pas de deux» wrote:
: > > If Japan and Germany didn't want to lose their own territory, they
: > > should have thought twice before invading other countries and starting
: > > World War II.
: > A very facile and self-serving argument. USA, Britain, France and other
: > countries were victors in WWII as well. Why didn't they rip bits off
: > Germany and Japan and occupy them?
:
: ??? USA did and still does. UK and France did not really participate in
: US war against Japan, so they got nothing there.
That's cuz the Japs kicked them, and the Dutch, out straightaway. The Brits
never really reclaimed their old stomping grounds.
:
:
Paul J Kriha
António Marques <m....@sapo.pt> wrote in message news:42e7486b$0$709$a729...@news.telepac.pt...
> I'm not familiar with the current german literature, but didn't the old
> one use to favour 'indogermanisch'?
IIRC, there were times when those two were thought to be the
easternmost and westernmost groups of the language family.
That was before Celtic was found to be yet another group.
pjk
vkar...@yahoo.com
Sure they did. France "ripped" Alsace and Lorraine (sp?) off of Germany
as the result of WWI and then once again as the result of WWII, and
"occupied" them. Poland also "ripped bits off" Germany as the result of
WWII and "occupied" them. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned
out that Latvia and Lithuania are now in charge of some native
German/Prussian and Polish lands.
And those were much larger "bits" than Kurils.
vkar...@yahoo.com
Yes, you guys are good at kicking a man when he is down:
http://hgs.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/4/1/41
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
Articles
'After the Holocaust: National Attitudes to Jews'
ANTISEMITISM IN HUNGARY 1945-1946*
SÁRI REUVENI
Jerusalem Israel
After the Holocaust there was a resurgence of antisemitism in Hungary.
Jews returning from the concentration camps were the subject of
inflammatory propaganda, blood-libels, pillage and assault, culminating
in two pogroms.
MTRP
> "MTRP" wrote:
> «Pas de deux» wrote:
> > > Why didn't they rip bits off Germany and Japan and occupy them?
> > ??? USA did and still does. UK and France did not really participate in
> > US war against Japan, so they got nothing there. But they too occupied
> > parts of Germany (Brits still do under NATO disguse).
> There is a vast difference between being invited to stay (which the German
> government has done with UK & US bases in Germany) and a forced occupation.
LOL. East German gov kept inviting SU all the time ... even as the last
Soviet boss Gorby tried to persuade his East German counterpart Honey
that enough is enough ...
vkar...@yahoo.com
> >... "poliglotic abilities".
>
> Learn to spell.
>
> >You see, the word "Urheimat" is feminine. [...] The correct term is
> >"die Indoeuropäische Urheimat", not "der Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
>
> Yeah, OK, so I was too lazy to check, shame on me.
>
Check? What for? If you TRULY COULD SPEAK German, you would have known
that the very common word "Hemat" (home country, homeland) is feminine
and comes as "die Heimat".
So, we now know that you are not fluent in German. By itself, that's
nothing to be ashamed of at all. Heck, being from Montreal, you are
fluent in two languages - French and English, which is more than your
neighbors to the South can brag of.
But what is unusual is that you insist on inserting German words into
your posts. For no reason. Out of the blue. And often as swears at
other people. As if you were a REAL German-speaker and these German
swear words came from the bottom of your heart.
But now you admit that when you want to post German words, you have to
"check" them with your dictionary first. And we now know that when you
forget to "check" them, you get them wrong.
So, why do you insert these German swear words at all? To show off,
isn't it?
>
> However, you make a big mistake challenging me to a contest of
> linguistic ability.
>
You mean, you have more time to waste and thus you can "check" the
correctness of your foreign texts better than I can? I'll grant you
that. You win: you have more time to waste on pissing contests.
vkar...@yahoo.com
>
> A very facile and self-serving argument. USA, Britain, France and other
> countries were victors in WWII as well. Why didn't they rip bits off
> Germany and Japan and occupy them?
>
«Pas de deux» wrote:
> <vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1122411209....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> MedvE wrote:
> >
> > Bornholm IS Denmarks, not stolen by Russia. You don't seem to have a
> > clue about things you discuss.
>
> >The island was occupied by germans in 4
> > years, and at the end of the war by Soviet for less than a year. Since
> > 1946-04-05 the island is given back to Denmark.
>
> You and your Russian mate are both shameful idiots. Of course I know
> USSR was forced to give Bornholm back to Denmark. I was referring to
> your shitty countrymen' attempt at stealing it. Both of you pubic lice
> obviously regret that the attempt failed.
>
So, when right after WWII, the Russian troops were temporarily
stationed in Bornholm for 11 months between 1945-05-05 and 1946-04-05
and then peacefully withdrew - that was "a theft". And when right after
WWII, the US troops were stationed all over Western Europe, Japan and
East Asia for many years - that was "a gift". Interesting...
>
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.baltics,sci.lang,soc.culture.magyar,
> soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.german
>
> No more crossposting to sci.lang and soc.culture.magyar for me.
>
Then why DID you post this drivel of yours to sci.lang and
soc.culture.magyar? Is your brain OK?
However, I will delete sci.lang anyway.
>
> I will be glad to see the last of you pernicious trolls.
>
Get a life.
vkar...@yahoo.com
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> «Pas de deux» wrote:
>
> > No more crossposting to sci.lang and soc.culture.magyar for me. I will
> > be glad to see the last of you pernicious trolls.
>
> We're sick of your empty promises.
>
Amazing, isn't it? He promises to keep his drivel out of sci.lang and
soc.culture.magyar but keeps on cross-posting it to these very groups.
I guess he doesn't know how to delete words.
vkar...@yahoo.com
As if the German government had a choice in 1945... We all know the
practice: install a puppet regime in countries like in Central America,
Iran, Afghanistan or Iraq and then have this puppet regime "invite" the
US to stay.
Of course, this is no different from what the USSR did in Afghanistan,
Baltics and Eastern Europe.
Imperialist are imperialists. Gladly, one of these two imperialists no
longer exists. Unfortunately, the remaining one - USA - takes the
demise of its nemesis as a carte blanche to wage more wars all over the
world than ever.
vkar...@yahoo.com
> "James A. Doemer" <ckdbigto...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:QHJFe.5593$6f....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> :
> : "MTRP" <Mir.To...@gmx.de> wrote in message
> : news:1122456920.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> : «Pas de deux» wrote:
> : > > If Japan and Germany didn't want to lose their own territory, they
> : > > should have thought twice before invading other countries and starting
> : > > World War II.
> : > A very facile and self-serving argument. USA, Britain, France and other
> : > countries were victors in WWII as well. Why didn't they rip bits off
> : > Germany and Japan and occupy them?
> :
> : ??? USA did and still does. UK and France did not really participate in
> : US war against Japan, so they got nothing there.
>
> That's cuz the Japs kicked them, and the Dutch, out straightaway.
>
I am no expert on the Japanese history but please tell us when exactly
the "Japs" "kicked out" the UK, Holland and France in 1945.
BTW, dear Brookski, while pretending that you are "Musashi Miyamoto",
try not to use derogatory terms like "Japs" when referring to Musashi
Miyamoto's supposed homecountry. Shows to the readers how stupid and
inept you are.
>
> The Brits
> never really reclaimed their old stomping grounds.
>
Prior to WWII, Japan was a major military "stomping ground" for
Britain?
Musashi Miyamoto
<vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Musashi Miyamoto (Mark Brooks) wrote:
> "James A. Doemer" <ckdbigto...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:QHJFe.5593$6f....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> :
> : "MTRP" <Mir.To...@gmx.de> wrote in message
> : news:1122456920.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> : «Pas de deux» wrote:
> : > > If Japan and Germany didn't want to lose their own territory, they
> : > > should have thought twice before invading other countries and
> starting
> : > > World War II.
> : > A very facile and self-serving argument. USA, Britain, France and
> other
> : > countries were victors in WWII as well. Why didn't they rip bits off
> : > Germany and Japan and occupy them?
> :
> : ??? USA did and still does. UK and France did not really participate in
> : US war against Japan, so they got nothing there.
>
> That's cuz the Japs kicked them, and the Dutch, out straightaway.
>
I am no expert on the Japanese history but please tell us when exactly
the "Japs" "kicked out" the UK, Holland and France in 1945.
What does 1945 have to do with it? Japs kicked the Brits out much earlier
than that. Ever hear of things like the Rangoon or Singapore? The Brits were
relegated to little skirmishing attacks from Burma and India.
The only reason Australia didn't fall to the Japs was due to the US.
Musashi Miyamoto
<vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1122497390.8...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
James A. Doemer wrote:
> "MTRP" <Mir.To...@gmx.de> wrote in message
> news:1122456920.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> «Pas de deux» wrote:
> > > If Japan and Germany didn't want to lose their own territory, they
> > > should have thought twice before invading other countries and starting
> > > World War II.
> > A very facile and self-serving argument. USA, Britain, France and other
> > countries were victors in WWII as well. Why didn't they rip bits off
> > Germany and Japan and occupy them?
>
> ??? USA did and still does. UK and France did not really participate in
> US war against Japan, so they got nothing there. But they too occupied
> parts of Germany (Brits still do under NATO disguse).
>
>
> There is a vast difference between being invited to stay (which the German
> government has done with UK & US bases in Germany) and a forced
> occupation.
>
As if the German government had a choice in 1945... We all know the
practice: install a puppet regime in countries like in Central America,
Iran, Afghanistan or Iraq and then have this puppet regime "invite" the
US to stay.
Karla,
But west Germans far preferred US/Brits to Soviets.
Of course, this is no different from what the USSR did in Afghanistan,
Baltics and Eastern Europe.
Sure. Of course the Soviets even dressed up Spetnaz troops as Afghan palace
guards and assasinated Afghan prez and his whole family because he wasn't
obeying orders. Similiar operation to the Bolsheviks killing Nicholas and
his family.
Imperialist are imperialists. Gladly, one of these two imperialists no
longer exists. Unfortunately, the remaining one - USA - takes the
demise of its nemesis as a carte blanche to wage more wars all over the
world than ever.
As if the SU's actions were by choice. SU collapsed and the prison guards
could no longer control the prisoners.
When the gate was left open, the Poles, Germans and everybody else ran as
fast as their little feet could carry them, far away from the Soviets.
Musashi Miyamoto
<vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1122489658.8...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Zoltan Manyoki wrote:
> Musashi Miyamoto wrote:
>
> > "Franceski" <lu...@me.ca> wrote in message
> > news:YicFe.23855$hu6.4...@wagner.videotron.net...
> > : Vive la Russie!!
> > :
> >
> > I don't have a 21 gun salute but I fart 21 times in Russia's direction!
>
> that's as good as they'll ever deserve. i´ll join your band.
> zoltan
>
Yes, you guys are good at kicking a man when he is down:
Karla,
We are happy to kick you anytime!
Christian Weisgerber
> > I'm not familiar with the current german literature, but didn't the old
> > one use to favour 'indogermanisch'?
>
> IIRC, there were times when those two were thought to be the
> easternmost and westernmost groups of the language family.
Southernmost and northernmost, rather.
--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Musashi Miyamoto
<vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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«Pas de deux» wrote:
> <vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1122255359.7...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >... "poliglotic abilities".
>
> Learn to spell.
>
> >You see, the word "Urheimat" is feminine. [...] The correct term is
> >"die Indoeuropäische Urheimat", not "der Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
>
> Yeah, OK, so I was too lazy to check, shame on me.
>
Check? What for? If you TRULY COULD SPEAK German, you would have known
that the very common word "Hemat" (home country, homeland) is feminine
and comes as "die Heimat".
...and you are a specialist in all things feminine.
James A. Doemer
Apparently, it didn't work, did it?.
James A. Doemer
<vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1122497390.8...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
James A. Doemer wrote:
> "MTRP" <Mir.To...@gmx.de> wrote in message
> news:1122456920.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> «Pas de deux» wrote:
> > > If Japan and Germany didn't want to lose their own territory, they
> > > should have thought twice before invading other countries and starting
> > > World War II.
> > A very facile and self-serving argument. USA, Britain, France and other
> > countries were victors in WWII as well. Why didn't they rip bits off
> > Germany and Japan and occupy them?
>
> ??? USA did and still does. UK and France did not really participate in
> US war against Japan, so they got nothing there. But they too occupied
> parts of Germany (Brits still do under NATO disguse).
>
>
> There is a vast difference between being invited to stay (which the German
> government has done with UK & US bases in Germany) and a forced
> occupation.
>
> As if the German government had a choice in 1945...
Of course they didn't, the U.S. occupation of West Germany was forced at
first, in an effort to avoid the same build up and eventual aggression that
marked WWI, and WWII.
> We all know the
> practice: install a puppet regime in countries like in Central America,
> Iran, Afghanistan or Iraq and then have this puppet regime "invite" the
> US to stay.
Since they seemed incapable of establishing a peaceful regime on their own,
it is of little wonder why the US and the rest of the allied forces
established one for them.
> Of course, this is no different from what the USSR did in Afghanistan,
> Baltics and Eastern Europe.
Except for the fact that the USSR never willingly turned control back over
to those countries. It took a war, or a rebellion, or economic collapse of
the USSR economy/state to enact that change.
> Imperialist are imperialists. Gladly, one of these two imperialists no
> longer exists. Unfortunately, the remaining one - USA
The US is not an imperialist state.
gilgames
I mean(t) GERMAN literature.
>>
Since the close academical and other connection between the Hungarians
and the Germany the Hungarian scientific name is a clue to the German
terminology. Naturaly only for those who think that the reality and not
the words are impotant.
gilgames
ANTISEMITISM IN HUNGARY 1945–1946*
SÁRI REUVENI
http://hgs.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/4/1/41
>>
During that time the temporary Goverment were mostly Jewish and with
their assistence 600,000 Hungarians were deported to the Soviet Union
(200,000 of the died), all the gendarmarines were deported, half of them
died in the lager, 50,000 so called fascist were imprisond, a simple
membership in the Volkbund (pangerman asocoation) was enough for
deportation.
Musashi Miyamoto
:
: "MTRP" <Mir.To...@gmx.de> wrote in message
:
Both Gorby and Honecker and MTRP are now in the dustbin of history. The USA
keeps rolling along.
tur...@shaw.ca
>During that time the temporary Goverment were mostly Jewish
nem mondhatnok
a felszabadulas utani elso kormanynak v. dalnoki volt a vezetoje,
ot a reformatus lelkesz tildy kormanya (kesobb koztarsasagi elnok)
majd pedig (az akkor meg) vad-komonista majd kesobbi forradalmar (vagy
mi?) nagy imre kormanya kovette, kesobb a szekely rajk
belugyminisztersegevel
Államminiszterek: Dobi István (Független Kisgazdapárt), Rákosi Mátyás
(Magyar Kommunista Párt), Szakasits Árpád (Szociáldemokrata Párt);
belügy: Nagy Imre (Magyar Kommunista Párt); földmuvelésügy: Kovács
Béla (Kisgazdapárt); honvédelem: Tombor Jeno (Kisgazdapárt);
igazságügy: Ries István (Szociáldemokrata Párt); iparügy: Bán Antal
(Szociáldemokrata Párt); kereskedelem- és szövetkezetügy: Rónai Sándor
(Szociáldemokrata Párt); közellátásügy: Bárányos Károly
(Kisgazdapárt); közlekedésügy: Gero Erno (Kommunista Párt); külügy:
Gyöngyösi János (Kisgazdapárt); népjólét: Molnár Erik (Kommunista
Párt); pénzügy: Gordon Ferenc (Kisgazdapárt); tájékoztatásügy: Balla
Antal (Kisgazdapárt); újjáépítés: Antall József (Kisgazdapárt);
vallás- és közoktatásügy: Keresztury Dezso (Nemzeti Parasztpárt.)
az orszagos balratolodast a kisgazdaparti dobi es ortutay kezde meg
peter gabor csak mindszenti hoborgese es a gorogorszagi brit
intervencio megkezdese utan kerult hatalomra, mint az akkor alakult
avo vezetoje
ez meg eppen-hogy belefert 46-ba, ugyanis oktoberban volt
mifele gagyi tortenelemet predigalsz mar megin?
>and with their assistence 600,000 Hungarians were deported to the Soviet Union
>(200,000 of the died),
a naciskodas kovetkezmenye, valakinek mindeg fizetni kell
>all the gendarmarines were deported,
meg jo
>half of them died in the lager
nem ok voltak az egyeduliek
egyszer hopp, maskor kopp
>50,000 so called fascist were imprisond
es?
>a simple membership in the Volkbund (pangerman asocoation) was enough for
>deportation.
pangerman?
de szipen mondod
tur...@shaw.ca
>a simple
>membership in the Volkbund (pangerman asocoation) was enough for
>deportation.
http://www.bibl.u-szeged.hu/bibl/mil/ww2/konyv/t/tilkovszky5.jpg
"A 20 századi hazai németség történetének különösen izgalmas,
sokszínu, nemritkán a politikai megítéléstol sem mentes kutatásában
Tilkovszky Loránt az alapokat rakta le, mindvégig tárgyilagos maradt,
mentes a politikai megközelítésektol. A gyujteményes kötet tanulmányai
- eddigi munkáiból történt válogatás - a fenti hitvallás melletti
állásfoglalás is egyben, mely lehetoséget nyújt az olvasónak, hogy
bepillantson a magyarországi németség történetének nem éppen
viharoktól mentes szakaszaiba."
tur...@shaw.ca
<Sam...@Shinjuku.jp> wrote:
>Both Gorby and Honecker and MTRP are now in the dustbin of history. The USA
>keeps rolling along.
you spam-bag should roll along as well
vkar...@yahoo.com
> <vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1122497390.8...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> James A. Doemer wrote:
> > "MTRP" <Mir.To...@gmx.de> wrote in message
> > news:1122456920.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > «Pas de deux» wrote:
> > > > If Japan and Germany didn't want to lose their own territory, they
> > > > should have thought twice before invading other countries and starting
> > > > World War II.
> > > A very facile and self-serving argument. USA, Britain, France and other
> > > countries were victors in WWII as well. Why didn't they rip bits off
> > > Germany and Japan and occupy them?
> >
> > ??? USA did and still does. UK and France did not really participate in
> > US war against Japan, so they got nothing there. But they too occupied
> > parts of Germany (Brits still do under NATO disguse).
> >
> >
> > There is a vast difference between being invited to stay (which the German
> > government has done with UK & US bases in Germany) and a forced
> > occupation.
> >
>
> > As if the German government had a choice in 1945...
>
> Of course they didn't, the U.S. occupation of West Germany was forced at
> first, in an effort to avoid the same build up and eventual aggression that
> marked WWI, and WWII.
>
Agree.
>
> > We all know the
> > practice: install a puppet regime in countries like in Central America,
> > Iran, Afghanistan or Iraq and then have this puppet regime "invite" the
> > US to stay.
>
> Since they seemed incapable of establishing a peaceful regime on their own,
> it is of little wonder why the US and the rest of the allied forces
> established one for them.
>
This is utter BS. Virtually all these countries had peaceful regimes.
They just didn't want to play by USA's rules.
>
> > Of course, this is no different from what the USSR did in Afghanistan,
> > Baltics and Eastern Europe.
>
> Except for the fact that the USSR never willingly turned control back over
> to those countries. It took a war, or a rebellion, or economic collapse of
> the USSR economy/state to enact that change.
>
USA willingly turned control back over to the Iranians? You've never
learned about the vioent overthrow of the Shah and the hostage taking?
Wow...
Similarly, I fail to see how USA has "willingly turned control back
over" to the Iraqis and Afghanis in any diffrent way than did the
Soviets to Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc.
>
> > Imperialist are imperialists. Gladly, one of these two imperialists no
> > longer exists. Unfortunately, the remaining one - USA
>
> The US is not an imperialist state.
>
As long as that pronouncement makes you feel better... But how many
people in the rest of the Western World agree with you? Certainly very
few West Europeans or Canadians...
António Marques
>> : ??? USA did and still does. UK and France did not really
>> participate in : US war against Japan, so they got nothing there.
>>
>> That's cuz the Japs kicked them, and the Dutch, out straightaway.
>
> I am no expert on the Japanese history but please tell us when
> exactly the "Japs" "kicked out" the UK, Holland and France in 1945.
Well, the UK from Singapore/HK, the Netherlands from Indonesia, France
from Vietnam. 'Out straightaway' is before 1945, unless I misunderstood
the context.
--
am
laurus : rhodophyta : brezoneg : smalltalk : stargate
António Marques
Oh for God's sake. I AM ASKING WHETHER THE TERM 'INDOEUROPAEISCH' IS THE
USUAL ONE IN CURRENT GERMAN. POINT BEING, WOULDN'T THE NATIVE GERMAN
TITLE FOR THIS THREAD BE 'Die indogermanische Urheimat' OR SOMETHING
RATHER THAN WHAT WAS CHOSEN. *** That's something only someone familiar
with current linguistics in Germany can answer ***.
On a related issue, your Aristotle story is just completely wrong.
Dayflies do have 4 walking legs, and that's what's asserted. There's
just no clinging to supposed translation artifacts either.
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
> «Pas de deux» wrote:
>
>><vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1122255359.7...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>... "poliglotic abilities".
>>
>>Learn to spell.
>>
>>
>>>You see, the word "Urheimat" is feminine. [...] The correct term is
>>>"die Indoeuropäische Urheimat", not "der Indoeuropäische Urheimat".
>>
>>Yeah, OK, so I was too lazy to check, shame on me.
>>
>
>
> Check? What for? If you TRULY COULD SPEAK German, you would have known
> that the very common word "Heimat" (home country, homeland) is feminine
> and comes as "die Heimat".
>
> So, we now know that you are not fluent in German. By itself, that's
> nothing to be ashamed of at all. Heck, being from Montreal, you are
> fluent in two languages - French and English, which is more than your
> neighbors to the South can brag of.
>
Is he? fluent or effluent? (Note: not affluent! )
> But what is unusual is that you insist on inserting German words into
> your posts. For no reason. Out of the blue. And often as swears at
> other people. As if you were a REAL German-speaker and these German
> swear words came from the bottom of your heart.
>
It's rather from the bottom of his digestive tract.
> But now you admit that when you want to post German words, you have to
> "check" them with your dictionary first. And we now know that when you
> forget to "check" them, you get them wrong.
>
> So, why do you insert these German swear words at all? To show off,
> isn't it?
>
It's for the shock value. Similar to the use of Russian in
'The Clockwork Orange'
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
> As if the German government had a choice in 1945... We all know the
> practice: install a puppet regime in countries like in Central America,
> Iran, Afghanistan or Iraq and then have this puppet regime "invite" the
> US to stay.
>
> Karla,
>
> But west Germans far preferred US/Brits to Soviets.
>
>
> Of course, this is no different from what the USSR did in Afghanistan,
> Baltics and Eastern Europe.
>
> Sure. Of course the Soviets even dressed up Spetnaz troops as Afghan palace
> guards and assasinated Afghan prez and his whole family because he wasn't
> obeying orders. Similiar operation to the Bolsheviks killing Nicholas and
> his family.
>
> Imperialist are imperialists. Gladly, one of these two imperialists no
> longer exists. Unfortunately, the remaining one - USA - takes the
> demise of its nemesis as a carte blanche to wage more wars all over the
> world than ever.
>
> As if the SU's actions were by choice. SU collapsed and the prison guards
> could no longer control the prisoners.
> When the gate was left open, the Poles, Germans and everybody else ran as
> fast as their little feet could carry them, far away from the Soviets.
>
Did you mean to write 'from the Russians' perhaps?
After all the Soviet Union empire had by then collapsed.
>
gilgames
peter gabor csak mindszenti hoborgese es a gorogorszagi brit
intervencio megkezdese utan kerult hatalomra, mint az akkor alakult
avo vezetoje
>>
O volt felelos a csendorseg teljes internalasaert es azert hogy a fele
meghat. Ez 1945-46-ban tortent.
<<
>all the gendarmarines were deported,
meg jo
>>
Tobbszor megirtam. 44 nyaran Bokrosporton 3 haz volt a tantakozpontban:
az iskola ahol mi laktunk, a csendore es a zsidoe. Mi szeptemberben
jottunk fel Pestre, a zsido valamivel utanunk ment ki Becsbe, es
csandort 46-ban internaltak, azon a cimen hogy felelos azert hogy minden
videki magyar zsidot Auschwitzba vittek. Ezert az egy esetert
megerdemelte volna Peter Gabor az akasztofat.
gilgames
tavaszara eljutottak Dachauig, irigyeltek a foglyokat akiket lattak mert
azok vegig kaptak ennei, aztan hazamentek es internalotaborba kuldtek,
mert tagja volt a Volksbundnak. Jambor Jehovistakent halt meg. Akik ezt
tettek vele soha nem lettek megbuntetve.
gilgames
On a related issue, your Aristotle story is just completely wrong.
Dayflies do have 4 walking legs, and that's what's asserted. There's
just no clinging to supposed translation artifacts either.
--
>>
The starting of thios the was what the medial aeves belived about
Aristotle. Do you thing that the important thing about this is the
recent translations, istead of the latin what they read?
What is more important: the statement in the context or the words?
tur...@shaw.ca
>Tobbszor megirtam. 44 nyaran Bokrosporton 3 haz volt a tantakozpontban:
>az iskola ahol mi laktunk, a csendore es a zsidoe. Mi szeptemberben
>jottunk fel Pestre, a zsido valamivel utanunk ment ki Becsbe, es
>csandort 46-ban internaltak, azon a cimen hogy felelos azert hogy minden
>videki magyar zsidot Auschwitzba vittek. Ezert az egy esetert
>megerdemelte volna Peter Gabor az akasztofat.
multkor megasszontad, hogy mar nagyon regota nincsenek is zsidok
te osznye-visznya mondod
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
> <vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1122497390.8...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>>As if the German government had a choice in 1945...
>
>
> Of course they didn't, the U.S. occupation of West Germany was forced at
> first, in an effort to avoid the same build up and eventual aggression that
> marked WWI, and WWII.
>
>
>>We all know the practice:
>> Install a puppet regime in countries like in Central America,
>>Iran, Afghanistan or Iraq and then have this puppet regime "invite"
>>the US to stay.
>
>
> Since they seemed incapable of establishing a peaceful regime on their own,
> it is of little wonder why the US and the rest of the allied forces
> established one for them.
>
>
>>Of course, this is no different from what the USSR did in Afghanistan,
>>Baltics and Eastern Europe.
>
>
> Except for the fact that the USSR never willingly turned control back over
> to those countries. It took a war, or a rebellion, or economic collapse of
> the USSR economy/state to enact that change.
>
>
>>Imperialist are imperialists. Gladly, one of these two imperialists no
>>longer exists. Unfortunately, the remaining one - USA
>
>
> The US is not an imperialist state.
>
>
Note! The attributions to previous posters except for the immediately
previoous Doemer post may well be wrong.
Of course there are differences between the US and USSR/Russia.
However!
A Soviet Russian apologist could very well argue that the US and USSR
actions are mirror images.
In Afghanistan the Soviets claim that they were invited in then
when their puppet regime did not perform as desired, they staged
the coup. But then they set up another puppet. Finally, when they
were still unable to win over the insurgents they gave up and
pulled out. By that time it was clear that they were running the
show and not just helping a legitamate government.
The US and allies were not invited in. THey invaded, toppled the
existing govenment and are now trying to set up an independant
government, (i.e. a puppet government). In the meantime they
and their puppet government are encountering an armed insurection.
As yet the insurection has not yet been put down. So the situation
appears to be similar to that faced by the Soviets.
However we all believe that the US and allies intend to pull out
leaving a viable Afghan government in control, whereas the Soviets
intended to annex the country.
The most recent actions by the US i.e. the invasion of Iraq,
even as it disengages from europe, do seem to argue that the US,
especially under the leadership of George W Bush Jr. and the
Republican party is an imperialist state.
tur...@shaw.ca
en nem tudom a te csaladod,
de ahogy en vettem ki a tanuk nem igen kamaljak a kardcsortetest meg a
naziskodast
akarhogy is volt, az egyiknek nem volt tul jo
James A. Doemer
<vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1122507886.4...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Agree.
The Nazis was a peaceful regime? Are you serious? Hirohito/Tojo was a
peaceful regime? Are you serious? Saddam was a peaceful regime?
>
> > Of course, this is no different from what the USSR did in Afghanistan,
> > Baltics and Eastern Europe.
>
> Except for the fact that the USSR never willingly turned control back over
> to those countries. It took a war, or a rebellion, or economic collapse
> of
> the USSR economy/state to enact that change.
>
> USA willingly turned control back over to the Iranians? You've never
> learned about the vioent overthrow of the Shah and the hostage taking?
> Wow...
Since when did the U.S. occupy Iran? Never.
> Similarly, I fail to see how USA has "willingly turned control back
> over" to the Iraqis and Afghanis in any diffrent way than did the
> Soviets to Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc.
It hasn't happened yet, the process of turning these governments over to
their people will happen though. You guys bitch no matter what. You bitch
when the U.S. bailed too quickly after the overthrow of the Soviets in
Afgahnistan which allowed the Taliban to take control, now you bitch because
we aren't leaving quick enough. If we left Iraq or Afgahnistan right now,
this minute, and another abusive regime were to take control, ten years from
now you'd be bitching about that.
>
> > Imperialist are imperialists. Gladly, one of these two imperialists no
> > longer exists. Unfortunately, the remaining one - USA
>
> The US is not an imperialist state.
>
> As long as that pronouncement makes you feel better...
Since it is the truth, it's not a matter of how it makes me feel.
gilgames
multkor megasszontad, hogy mar nagyon regota nincsenek is zsidok
te osznye-visznya mondod
>>
Zsidonak hivtak magukat tehat a nep is igy hivta oket. Az alsag lenyege
a hazugsag: Valaki nem csipi a szemita arabok es irakiak uldozeset azt
antiszemitanak hivjak.
gilgames
de ahogy en vettem ki a tanuk nem igen kamaljak a kardcsortetest meg a
naziskodast
>>
Volt tiz olyan es alsag csak azt frocsogi. A tobbseg nem tett mast mint
a magyar hazakban idonkint osszejovo magyarok.
James A. Doemer
"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <urj...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:OgXFe.10634$Ie1....@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> James A. Doemer wrote:
>
>> <vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1122497390.8...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>As if the German government had a choice in 1945...
>>
>>
>> Of course they didn't, the U.S. occupation of West Germany was forced at
>> first, in an effort to avoid the same build up and eventual aggression
>> that marked WWI, and WWII.
>>
>>
>>>We all know the practice:
>>> Install a puppet regime in countries like in Central America,
>>>Iran, Afghanistan or Iraq and then have this puppet regime "invite" the
>>>US to stay.
>>
>>
>> Since they seemed incapable of establishing a peaceful regime on their
>> own, it is of little wonder why the US and the rest of the allied forces
>> established one for them.
>>
>>
>>>Of course, this is no different from what the USSR did in Afghanistan,
>>>Baltics and Eastern Europe.
>>
>>
>> Except for the fact that the USSR never willingly turned control back
>> over to those countries. It took a war, or a rebellion, or economic
>> collapse of the USSR economy/state to enact that change.
>>
>>
>>>Imperialist are imperialists. Gladly, one of these two imperialists no
>>>longer exists. Unfortunately, the remaining one - USA
>>
>>
>> The US is not an imperialist state.
> Note! The attributions to previous posters except for the immediately
> previoous Doemer post may well be wrong.
Yeah, I noticed that. For some reason my e-mail program dropped a > layer.
It seems to be working with your post though.
>
> Of course there are differences between the US and USSR/Russia.
> However!
> A Soviet Russian apologist could very well argue that the US and USSR
> actions are mirror images.
They could, but they would be wrong.
> In Afghanistan the Soviets claim that they were invited in then
> when their puppet regime did not perform as desired, they staged
> the coup. But then they set up another puppet. Finally, when they
> were still unable to win over the insurgents they gave up and
> pulled out.
The main reason they gave up and pulled out was economic. They simply
couldn't afford to sustain their military.
> By that time it was clear that they were running the
> show and not just helping a legitamate government.
> The US and allies were not invited in. THey invaded, toppled the
> existing govenment and are now trying to set up an independant
> government, (i.e. a puppet government).
Prove that it is a puppet government.
In the meantime they
> and their puppet government are encountering an armed insurection.
> As yet the insurection has not yet been put down. So the situation
> appears to be similar to that faced by the Soviets.
Except the Soviets did not have the goverment fighting along side of them
after a certain point, nor did the Soviets intend on returning full power to
the government when they were done.
> However we all believe that the US and allies intend to pull out
> leaving a viable Afghan government in control, whereas the Soviets
> intended to annex the country.
Exactly, hence the difference.
>
> The most recent actions by the US i.e. the invasion of Iraq,
> even as it disengages from europe, do seem to argue that the US,
> especially under the leadership of George W Bush Jr. and the
> Republican party is an imperialist state.
>
Although I didn't, nor do I now, support the invasion of Iraq by the U.S., I
would never say that the intention of the invasion was imperialist. The
intention was to remove a madman and his equally insane family (sons).
(Regardless of all the WMD crap that Bush spewed) I personally believe that
the price was too high in terms of civilian deaths and injuries, however
there is little that can be done about that now. The only viable option now
is to stay until the job is done, otherwise it is difficult to say whose
hands the country will fall under next. While I have a great respect for
moderate Muslim views, religion, and people, the extremists seem to, more
often than not, come to power where a vacuum exists.
tur...@shaw.ca
>Zsidonak hivtak magukat tehat a nep is igy hivta oket. Az alsag lenyege
>a hazugsag: Valaki nem csipi a szemita arabok es irakiak uldozeset azt
>antiszemitanak hivjak.
most meg mar te vagy a nep?
kis botus, vagy nagy botus?
tur...@shaw.ca
<ckdbigto...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>The US is not an imperialist state.
why don't you spamming idiots just f.-off?
Franceski
"James A. Doemer" <ckdbigto...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:BjXFe.18196$aY6....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
James, you are so naive. You need to get more infos. Cold war was a
dual-empires competition. All sorts of tricks were in play. When Russia
unilaterally decided to withdraw from this competition, most of the world
thought that world peace would happen. But the remaining empire just felt
that the way was now free to take over what Russia has chosen to let go.
That's when USA started to lose any credibility and respect from other
western countries. That's when US big buddies in middle-east (aka Laden,
Hussein) started to turn against their former friend.
Franceski
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Cough! Cough! Arghhh!
Franceski
"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <urj...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:OgXFe.10634$Ie1....@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
What's interesting is that US was quite happy to watch USSR getting
exhausted in Afghanistan. They trained and funded terrorists to make it
tough for Soviets. It was a very successful strategy. So successful that
radical islamists now feel that they can repel the empire even if they are
not backed by another. Now, the US are in the same position where USSR was,
but ironically, the terrorists they created have grown in numbers and are
out of their control. Just to talk about relevance of long-term strategy
instead of short-term benefits.
James A. Doemer
"Franceski" <lu...@me.ca> wrote in message
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My, I hope that isn't contagious. :c)
James A. Doemer
The Soviets didn't unilaterally decide to withdraw from the competition,
they simply could not afford the compitition anymore. Their economy was on
the verge of collapse.
> But the remaining empire just felt
> that the way was now free to take over what Russia has chosen to let go.
> That's when USA started to lose any credibility and respect from other
> western countries. That's when US big buddies in middle-east (aka Laden,
> Hussein) started to turn against their former friend.
>
It's far and away more complicated than that.
Hang_em_high
because I see you've mastered it.
MedvE
Emlekezetem szerint te itt az SCM-en tobbszazszor allitottad, hogy
zsidok incsenek is. Magyarorszagon meg egyaltalan nincsenek, csak
"a'l-ok", galiciaiak, kazarok, latszatzsidok stb. Valamint azert
sincsenek zsidok, mert a zsidosag nem orokletes es nem vallasi
hovatartozosag szerinted.
Tehat mifele zsido kormany volt az altalad emlitett???? Milyen modon
volt zsido? Mi koze volt a zsidosaghoz? Mennyiben kepviseltek nemletezo
zsidok erdekeit? Mennyiben reprezentaltak a szerinted nem letezo es
altalad nem hevesen gyulolt zsidokat?
HuJe vagy gyilgakiss.
/ LaszloK
gilgames
Although I didn't, nor do I now, support the invasion of Iraq by the
U.S., I
would never say that the intention of the invasion was imperialist. The
intention was to remove a madman and his equally insane family (sons).
>>
This would not require to keep the troops after the removal.
gilgames
most meg mar te vagy a nep?
kis botus, vagy nagy botus?
>>
Magyarul beszeltunk, nem? Mi a magyar ha nem a nep beszede?
gilgames
Emlekezetem szerint te itt az SCM-en tobbszazszor allitottad, hogy
zsidok incsenek is. Magyarorszagon meg egyaltalan nincsenek, csak
"a'l-ok", galiciaiak, kazarok, latszatzsidok stb. Valamint azert
sincsenek zsidok, mert a zsidosag nem orokletes es nem vallasi
hovatartozosag szerinted.
>>
Pontosan , de meiondenki zsidonak hivta oket es a nyelvet a nep beszede
es nem az en vagy barki mas velemnyen teszik azza ami.
Masreszt azonban jellemzo hogy nem haborit fel hogy akkor amikor a
magyarok szazerevel pusztultak valaki a zsidok szenvedeseirol karog, meg
sem emlitve a magyaroket. Mi lett beloled?
Hang_em_high
widespread killing in myanmar, reports of men being skinned alive, yet
that doesn't even make the news let alone warrant invasion. Iraq was
for 1 reason, it wasn't oil, it wasn't "liberation", it was for Israel,
and yes I would consider it Imperialism.
MTRP
> "James A. Doemer" wrote:
> > The US is not an imperialist state.
> Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Cough! Cough! Arghhh!
Ditto ... very funny indeed. Sorry James, but most earthlings regard
USA as the only remaining truly imperialistic state on earth. Recently
even the German ex-Chancellor Helmut Schmidt wrote a book on US
imperialism ...
James A. Doemer
"gilgames" <Gl...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:o41Ge.449$gQ5...@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
If you wished to prevent another madman of equal or worse calibre from
rising to power, it would.
James A. Doemer
> Franceski wrote:
>> "James A. Doemer" wrote:
>> > The US is not an imperialist state.
>> Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Cough! Cough! Arghhh!
>
> Ditto ... very funny indeed. Sorry James, but most earthlings regard
> USA as the only remaining truly imperialistic state on earth.
Since I highly doubt that your polled every Earthling for their opinion, I
will consider that statement to be rhetoric.
> Recently
> even the German ex-Chancellor Helmut Schmidt wrote a book on US
> imperialism ...
A German writing a book about somebody else's imperialism, now that's
laughable.
ladzius
Kremlin financed lefty swamp !
MedvE
beszede
es nem az en vagy barki mas velemnyen teszik azza ami."
Akkor ezek szerint te nem zsidogyulolo vagy, hanem a "Nep altal
zsidoknak nevezettek gyuloloje"????
Mi a kulonbseg?
A magyarok szazezreinek pusztulasara vonatkozo szamadataid
nevetsegesek, teljesen a sajat agyad szulemenyei. Mindazonaltal
pusztultak boven magyarok a II. vilaghaboru alatt is, utana is. Ezeket
a magyarok siratjak. Az elpusztult hollandokat a hollandok, az
angolokat az angolok, a zsidokat a zsidok. Mi a problemad? Szerinted a
magyarok altal uldozott es pusztitott zsidoknak (akik ugye nincsenek
is) kellene a magyarokat siratniuk? Vagy a nemeteket? Esetleg az
oroszokat? A ciganyok kiket sirassanak a ciganyokon kivul? Ok is a
magyarokat? A romanok? Mert ok is pusztultak, nemelyikuk magyar keztol.
Azok is a magyarokat sirassak? A totok? Es a szerbek Ujvideken? Azok is
a magyarokat?
HuJe vagy gyilgakiss
/ LaszloK
Musashi Miyamoto
<vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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«Pas de deux» wrote:
>
> A very facile and self-serving argument. USA, Britain, France and other
> countries were victors in WWII as well. Why didn't they rip bits off
> Germany and Japan and occupy them?
>
«Pas de deux» wrote:
> <vkar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1122411209....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> MedvE wrote:
> >
> > Bornholm IS Denmarks, not stolen by Russia. You don't seem to have a
> > clue about things you discuss.
>
> >The island was occupied by germans in 4
> > years, and at the end of the war by Soviet for less than a year. Since
> > 1946-04-05 the island is given back to Denmark.
>
> You and your Russian mate are both shameful idiots. Of course I know
> USSR was forced to give Bornholm back to Denmark. I was referring to
> your shitty countrymen' attempt at stealing it. Both of you pubic lice
> obviously regret that the attempt failed.
>
So, when right after WWII, the Russian troops were temporarily
stationed in Bornholm for 11 months between 1945-05-05 and 1946-04-05
and then peacefully withdrew - that was "a theft". And when right after
WWII, the US troops were stationed all over Western Europe, Japan and
East Asia for many years - that was "a gift". Interesting...
Most likely they were a trophy brigade. When they were through stealing
everything of value and through raping all the German women, they peacefully
withdrew.
Russia still refuses to return all the artworks they stole from Germany,
while the US has returned everything.
>
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.baltics,sci.lang,soc.culture.magyar,
> soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.german
>
> No more crossposting to sci.lang and soc.culture.magyar for me.
>
Then why DID you post this drivel of yours to sci.lang and
soc.culture.magyar? Is your brain OK?
However, I will delete sci.lang anyway.
>
> I will be glad to see the last of you pernicious trolls.
>
Get a life.