Isaiah Prophesies Mohammed in Old Testament
Mirelle
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book
that
is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read
this,
I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying,
Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
When Angel Gabriel commanded Mohammed by saying Iqra-("Read"),
he replied "I am not learned".
Mirelle
Codeb...@bigsecret.com
Then the angel plagiarized Isaiah then...
Codeb...@bigsecret.com
It is all in your mind.
Mirelle
Angels do not cheat.
They are obedient to G_D.
Mirelle
Mirelle
Codeb...@bigsecret.com
Mirelle wrote:
> Codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> > Then the angel plagiarized Isaiah then...
>
> Angels do not cheat.
> They are obedient to G_D.
It could also be that it was STAGED, that it never happened the way the
report
says it did.
Codeb...@bigsecret.com
Mirelle wrote:
> Codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> > Then the angel plagiarized Isaiah then...
>
> Angels do not cheat.
> They are obedient to G_D.
They just did. they quoted Isaiah without giving him the credit.
It is called cheating
Mirelle
Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> It could also be that it was STAGED, that it never happened the way the report
> says it did.
The Bible is not staged.
You believe it or not.
However if you believe in it.
It is there is in Isaiah.
Isaiah Prophesies Mohammed
Isaiah chapter 29: verses 11 & 12
Mirelle
john
American Mission schools until I got my secondary education certificate
there. In 1942 I got my diploma from an Arab university and then I
specialized in religious studies as a prelude to join the Faculty of
Theology. It was no easy task to join the faculty, as no candidate
could join it unless he got a special recommendation from the church,
and also, after he should pass a number of difficult exams. I got a
recommendation from a few Churches after passing many tests to know my
qualifications to become a man of religion.
My entrance was sanctioned into the Faculty of Theology in 1944 as a
boarding student.
I was supposed to be appointed in Jerusalem had it not been for the war
that broke out in Palestine that same year, so I was sent elsewhere.
My acquaintance with Islam started in the Faculty of Theology where I
studied Islam and all the methods through which we could shake the
faith of Muslims and raise misconceptions in their understanding of
their own religion.
In 1952 I got my M.A. from Princeton University in U.S.A. and was
appointed as a teacher in the Faculty of Theology in an Arab city. I
used to teach Islam in the faculty as well as the faulty misconceptions
spread by its enemies and the missionaries against it. During that
period I decided to enlarge my study of Islam, so that I should not
read the missionaries books on it only. I had so much faith in myself
that I was confirmed to read the other point of view. Thus I began to
read books written by Muslim authors. I also decided to read the
Qur'an and understand its meanings. This was helped by my love of
knowledge and moved by my desire to add more proofs against Islam. The
result was, however, exactly the reverse. My position began to shake
and I started to feel a strong internal struggle and I discovered the
falsehood of everything I had studied and preached to the people. But I
could not face myself bravely and tried instead to overcome this
internal crisis and continue my work.
I was sent to an Arab city as secretary general of the German Swiss
Mission. That was only my apparent position for my real mission was to
preach against Islam in an Arab country especially among Muslims. A
missionary conference was held at that time at a hotel there. That day
I spoke too much, reiterating all the repeated misconceptions against
Islam; and at the end of my speech, the internal crisis came to me
again and I started to revise my position.
I began to ask myself: Why should I say and do all these things when I
know for sure I am a liar, as this is not the truth? I took my leave
before the end of the conference and went out alone to my house. I was
completely shaken. As I walked through [a] public garden, I heard a
verse of the Qur'an on the radio. It said: (Say: It has been revealed
to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said: We
have really heard a wonderful recital! It gives guidance to the Right,
and we have believed therein: We shall not join (in worship) any gods
with our Lord.) (Surat Al-Jinn: 1-2), (And as for us, since we have
listened to the Guidance, we have accepted it: and any one who believes
in His Lord, has no fear of either a short (account) or of any
injustice.) (Surat Al-Jinn: 13)
I felt a deep comfort that night and when I returned home I spent the
whole night all by myself in my library reading the Qur'an. My wife
asked me about the reason of my sitting up all night and I pleaded from
her to leave me alone. I stopped for a long time thinking and
meditating on the verse; (Had We sent down this Qur'an on a mountain,
verily thou wouldst have seen it humble itself and cleave asunder for
fear of Allah.) (Surat Al-Hashr: 21) And the verse: (Strongest among
men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and the Pagans,
and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those
who say, "We are Christians": Because amongst these are men devoted
to learning. And men who have renounced the world, and they are not
arrogant. And when they listen to the revelation received by the
Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they
recognize the truth: They pray: "Our Lord! We believe, write us down
among the witnesses. What cause can we have not to believe in Allah and
the truth which has come to us, seeing that we long for our Lord to
admit us to the company of the righteous?") (Surat Al-Ma'ida:
82-84)
That same night I took my final decision. In the morning I spoke with
my wife from whom I have three sons and one daughter. But no sooner
than she felt that I was inclined to embrace Islam than she cried and
asked for help from the head of the mission. His name was Monsieur
Shavits from Switzerland. He was a very cunning man. When he asked me
about my true attitude, I told him frankly what I really wanted and
then he said: "Regard yourself out of a job until we discover what
has befallen you." Then I said: "This is my resignation from my
job." He tried to convince me to postpone it, but I insisted. So he
spread a rumor among the people that I had gone mad. Thus I suffered a
very severe test and oppression until I moved to the capital of the
country I was in.
In the capital, I was introduced to a respectable professor who helped
me overcome my severe trial and this he did without knowing anything
about my story. He treated me as a Muslim for I introduced myself to
him as such although until then I did not embrace Islam officially. Dr.
Jamal was highly interested in Islamic studies and wanted to make a
translation of the Qur'an to be published in America. He asked me to
help him because I was fluent in English since I had got my M.A. from
an American university. He also knew that I was preparing a comparative
study of the Qur'an, the Torah and the Bible. We cooperated in this
comparative study and in the translation of the Qur'an.
When the professor knew that I had resigned from my job and that I was
then unemployed, he helped me with a job in a company. So I was well
established after a short while. I did not tell my wife about my
intention to embrace Islam thus she thought that I had forgotten the
whole affair and that it was nothing but a transitory crisis that no
more existed. But I knew quite well that my official conversion to
Islam needed long complicated measures and it was in fact a battle
which I preferred to postpone for some time until I became well off and
after I completed my comparative study.
In 1955 I did complete my study and my material and living affairs
became well established. I resigned from the company and set up a
training office for importing stationery and school articles. It was a
successful business from which I gained much more money than I needed.
Thus I decided to declare my official conversion to Islam. On the 25th
of December 1959, I sent a telegram to the head of the American Mission
in the country I was in informing him that I had embraced Islam.
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My wife left me at that time and took with her all the furniture of our
house
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When I told my true story to Dr. Jamal he was completely astonished.
When I declared my conversion to Islam, new troubles began. Seven of my
former colleagues in the mission had tried their best to persuade me to
cancel my declaration, but I refused. They threatened to separate me
from my wife and I said: "She is free to do as she wishes." They
threatened to kill me. But when they found me to be stubborn they left
me alone and sent to me an old friend of mine who was also a colleague
of mine in the mission. He wept very much in front of me. So I recited
before him the following verses from the Qur'an: (And when they
listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their
eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognize the truth: They pray:
"Our Lord! We believe, write us down among the witnesses. What cause
can we have not to believe in Allah and the truth which has come to us,
seeing that we long for our Lord to admit us to the company of the
righteous?") (Qur'an Surat Al-Ma'ida: 84). I said to him, "You
should have wept in humiliation to God on hearing the Qur'an and
believe in the truth which you know but you refuse." He stood up and
left me as he saw no use. My official conversion to Islam was in
January 1960.
My wife left me at that time and took with her all the furniture of our
house. But all my children joined me and embraced Islam. The most
enthusiastic among them was my eldest son Isaac who changed his name to
Osman, then my second son Joseph and my son Samuel whose name is Jamal
and daughter Majida who is now called Najwa. Osman is now a professor
of philosophy in Sorbonne University in Paris teaching oriental studies
and psychology. He also writes in Le Monde magazine.
My wife left the house for six years and agreed to come back in 1966
provided that she keeps her religion. I accepted this because in Islam
there is no compulsion in religion. I said to her: "I do not want you
to become a Muslim for my sake but only after you are convinced." She
feels now that she believes in Islam but she cannot declare this for
fear of her family but we treat her as a Muslim woman and she fasts in
Ramadan because all my children pray and fast. My daughter Najwa is a
student in the Faculty of Commerce, Joseph is a pharmacologist and
Jamal is an engineer.
During this period, that is since 1961 until the present time I have
been able to publish a number of books on Islam and the methods of the
missionaries and Orientalists against it. I am now preparing a
comparative study about women in the three Divine religions with the
object of highlighting the status of women in Islam. In 1973 I
performed Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah) and I am doing activities
preaching Islam. I hold seminars in the universities and charitable
societies. I received an invitation from Sudan in 1974 where I held
many seminars. My time is fully used in the service of Islam.
My faith in Islam has been brought about through reading the Qur'an
and the biography of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of God be
upon him. I no longer believed in the misconceptions against Islam and
I am especially attracted by the concept of unity of God, which is the
most important feature of Islam. God is only One. Nothing is like Him.
This belief makes me the servant of God only and of no one else.
Oneness of God liberates man from servitude to any human being and that
is true freedom.
I also like very much the rule of forgiveness in Islam and the direct
relationship between God and His servants.
(Say: "O my servants who have transgressed against their souls!
Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He
is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. Turn ye to your Lord (in repentance)
and submit to Him before the Chastisement comes on you: After that ye
shall not be helped.") (Surat Al-Zumor:53-54).
*Source: The Islamic Bulletin, San Francisco, CA 94141-0186
jeremi...@yahoo.com
to the learned men and spiritual teachers of the Jews who have fallen
"spiritually drunk" and are not able to discern (understand) the
visions and prophecies of God's prophet Isaiah. Thus, this is why they
say they are unable to "read," or figure out, the meanings behind
prophecies, because God doesn't let them. In our day, this verse
applies to Christendom, or fake Christianity- they are unable to find
the truth and they are unable to discern prophecies and other things in
the Bible, for God's holy spirit is not with them. Thus, God stops them
from understanding His biblical truths by not giving them his holy
spirit.
Source(s):
The Bible; Isaiah's Prophecy, Vol. I: Light for All Mankind
This verses does not prove that this is muhammad, no it is not! Let's
go up one verse and read it , at verse11, it says "And the vision of
all is become unto you as the words of a book (the vision which this
people saw is like a book unto them a book, as if watching a movie)
that is sealed (becasue they could not interpret what it meant!), which
men deliver to one that is learned (even to the learned or schooled
one), saying, Read this(meaning to say interpret this) , I pray thee:
and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:" (meaning, they lack wisdom
to interpret what it says)
And in verse 12 "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned
(The vision is again given to the unlearned for interpretation, yet
they could not), saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not
learned." (Meaning, they don't have the capability to interpret this
vision)
Please re-read the verses carefully from verse-11 to 12. this does not
refer to muhammad, but to the vision that was presented to them for
interpretation.
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Mirelle
jeremi...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Please re-read the verses carefully from verse-11 to 12. this does not
> refer to muhammad, but to the vision that was presented to them for
> interpretation.
I have reread them for a few weeks now.
The meaning you give does not resonate.
Mirelle
jeremi...@yahoo.com
> jeremi...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Please re-read the verses carefully from verse-11 to 12. this does not
> > refer to muhammad, but to the vision that was presented to them for
> > interpretation.
>
> I have reread them for a few weeks now.
> The meaning you give does not resonate.
>
>
Very strange this Isaiah and this God! He likes to tease "believers" by
"withholding" names and 'mohamad's' and true identities and and and.He
is full of suspense and intrigue. On the one hand "He" fails to
"preseve" the first 2 set of Scriptures yet he delivers the last xerox
copy over the course of 22 years running at "full" employment level for
the Angels especially "Gabriel." So is he learned or illiterate or did
Isaiah say that in "Arabic" or Hebrew or Aramaic? Or maybe he screamed
'Allahu Akbar" but that passage was later "altered" by the devilish
jews and Christians...
Good luck to u on your spiritual journey to the "cosmic" and "virginal'
bordello of mohammad!
md
for all mankind, to cleasnse our sins. Either the Bible is the Truth, or
it isn't. I agree with you "you believe it or not."
"Mirelle" <mirell...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Codeb...@bigsecret.com
Mirelle wrote:
> Codeb...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> > It could also be that it was STAGED, that it never happened the way the report
> > says it did.
>
> The Bible is not staged.
Not the Bible STAGED, but the origine of Islam.
We have the "angel" saying in the Qur'an,"Read in the name of your
Lord"
But we have nowhere "Mohammad" answer "I can't read"
It is only reported by a late writer without a clue for us to verify.
So we are left with some "cas de figures"
1/ "Mohommad"s Biographer read Isaiah and made it the event up,
implying that "Mohammad" never told anybody anything about an angel
bringing revelation.
2/ A real angel talked to "Mohammad" and quoted known material
JEWISH MATERIAL without giving the authors proper credits,
which is what plagiarize means.
It is worth noticing that, that Angel only knew jewish materials
and behaved throughout the whole "Qur'an" just like a jewish Rabbi.
Now the following verse makes sense to me:
"If this book is from God, you believe not, but a Rabbi from among
the Children of Israel attests the SIMILITUDE and believes, yet you
Arabs proudly reject it." Qur'an.
So you see, when I say that the Angel behave like one of those
children of Israel, I am not making it up. On his account, there is
but one book. And this book is the Torah that a Rabbi of Israel
had testified to the conformity of its translation into an Arabic
language.
The Rabbi testified that the Translation into Arabic was authentic.
This means that he could read and the Hebrew, which is the language
of the Torah/Law of Moses, and Arabic which is
the new language the Torah had been translated.
Just in case you don't know. A rabbi is someone whose speciality
is to make sure the Law of Moses is properly taught.
He makes sure what the Law said is LICITE and ILLICITE is properly
understood
> You believe it or not.
> However if you believe in it.
> It is there is in Isaiah.
> Isaiah Prophesies Mohammed
> Isaiah chapter 29: verses 11 & 12.
If you want to see Mohammad everywhere, be free to do so
but what Isaiah is talking about has nothing to do MOHAMMAD.
Codeb...@bigsecret.com
Mirelle wrote:
> Codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> > It could also be that it was STAGED, that it never happened the way the report
> > says it did.
> The Bible is not staged.
Not the Bible STAGED, but the origine of Islam.
> You believe it or not.
> However if you believe in it.
> It is there is in Isaiah.
> Isaiah Prophesies Mohammed
> Isaiah chapter 29: verses 11 & 12.
If you want to see Mohammad everywhere, be free to do so
but what Isaiah is talking about has nothing to do with MOHAMMAD.
Jerry Kraus
Yes, we know, Mohammed was familiar with the Hebrew scriptures.