COBRA-CHAPTER 24
Abou Zouz
Now they had common allies and adversaries and business opportunities.
Hobeika was cunning and lustful, Tamraz was shrewd but trustful. The
combination was explosive. That is how and why the «Tamraz Affair» happened.
Abdul Halim Khaddam was the manipulator. Khaddam was cruelty
personified, and greed made this man. Syria's number two man in command had
set out from the very beginning of the war, to bleed the Christians. By the
time he had Hobeika as an obedient executor, he schemed to kidnap persons
for ransom. Tamraz, one of the richest Christian businessman in the area,
open to all, was the right bird. Khaddam incited his arm, Hobeika, to work
on Tamraz. The executant gloated and performed!
« Elie, I have a weak heart since I was a child,» Khaddam told Hobeika.
«I used to faint in Church. Although I have no cash, I have assets and
projects through my banks Elie. I have a weak heart since I was a child. I
used to faint at Church. I am can longer handle it. I beg of you, give me a
second chance in life. I will make it worth your while although I have no
cash, I have assets and projects through my banks and we can get cash quite
soon. Elie let's consider the event that took place. [It was] God's will he
put us together in a period where I could help you and you can help me. We
are a compliment to each other to achieve our goal. I [am] sincere.
That was the answer to two messages Hobeika had sent him. Hobeika also
sent the message fixing and insisting on the amount of the ransom: Twelve
million American dollars! Abdul Halim Khaddam provided the means to pressure
and terrori
ze, even rummaging connections Tamraz had with top leaders in the Syrian
Army; specifically, two generals, Adnan Ramhamdani and Ayad Mahmoud.
ATT. M. Tamraz
1. La somme presentee n`a pas etee consideree suffisante
2. Nous insistons por 12X106 $ couve insistant total
Grandeur and decline, that was Roger Tamraz's situation nine years ago
when, after his flight to West Beirut. He fled to West Beirut to shun
growing pressures exerted on him by the Lebanese Forces of Samir Geagea to
extort money. Tamraz was kidnapped by the Syrian backed Elie Hobeika's
outlawed dissident Lebanese Forces. It was February, 1989.
Roger Tamraz, a tycoon, businessman and banker had become the object of
covetousness in eastern sectors, specially when he set up a Central Bank to
serve the financial and monetary needs in the Christian fiefdom. Born, bred
and educated in Cairo, Egypt, he had come to Lebanon in the early 1960's and
saved Intra and all the companies affiliated with it from bankruptcy. He
was enterprising, upright and generous, specially with the Lebanese
Christian leaders who, at one time, tried to bleed him dry and he honored,
strongly believing in the Lebanese Christian cause.
Tamraz fled to West Beirut and opened channels with West Beirut leaders
and the Syrians. He established strong ties with the Druze PSP leader, Walid
Jumblatt, whom he helped with TMA « shares», the Lebanese Air Freight Co.
affiliated to Intra. Jumblatt, in return, coordinated with Tamraz for his
personal protection during his stay at the Summerland Hotel. It was then
that Tamraz managed to open up with the Syrian command and gain their
confidence. The Syrian Defense Minister and Army Commander General Mustapha
Tlass had provided him with an official pass to facilitate his moves through
Syrian military lines.
In the early 1980's, Roger Tamraz gained, through circumstance, close
links with the Lebanese forces, in particular Hobeika's Intelligence and
Security Bureau. His contact then was Rend Kehdo Moawad, Hobeika's right
hand and brother-in-law. Tamraz, through Moawad had offered Hobeika
personally 100 «shares» in the « Casino du Liban» and opened a personnel
credit account for him.
Wanting to open up on Hobeika again, whom he considered Syria's strongest
ally of the moment, and a Christian leader, he naturally had recourse to
Rend Moawad. Well aware that everything had to be cashed in on, and knowing
his greed through and though, he bought a white armored Range Rover and
asked him to offer it to Hobeika hoping he would accept it to start business
with him.
In fact, Hobeika sensed big money he could extort again from the Lebanese
tycoon and accepted to receive Tamraz. To show off his position with Syria's
number two man in command, Abdul Halim Khaddam, he accepted to see him, but
in Damascus, not at his West Beirut residence. A date was fixed. Tamraz
went to Damascus and stayed at the Sheraton Hotel, from where I was sent to
drive him to Hobeika's house in the Syrian capital's neighborhood of Mazzd.
They met four times at regular intervals and I always drove him back and
forth.
About a week after Tamraz return to West Beirut, Hobeika instructed me to
set up a plan to kidnap him and submit it for approval. As a most loyal
watchdog» and « underdog» I took leave of him and went to West Beirut where
I set out to watch him like his shadow for four days round the clock.
I concluded that force cannot be used. We had to resort to guile. The man
had a tight proof protection as he shuttled between the Summerland suite
and the Verdun apartment he was currently restoring. Tamraz was always
accompanied by his chauffeur and a guard. He used to move around either in
a dark blue armored Mercedes, or a Honda Accord.
ATT. MR TAMRAZ
SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE NATURE OF YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH ADMAM
RAMHAMDANI AYAD MAHMOUD AND THE AMOUNTS PAID TO THEM, WHEN, WHERE AND HOW.
YOU WILL BE GIVEN PAPERS AND A PEN TO ANSWER. MRAZ
When I reported the information to Hobeika, he decided to lure him into a
false secret appointment. We were to tell him he had an appointment wi
th Bassel Al Assad, Hobeika decided. He telephoned him and told him about
it and insisted that his own men would pick him up and conduct him to the
Bekaa for safety reasons. Tamraz believed him. The operation was set in
motion.
As scheduled, I went to the Summerland Hotel with some of my guys and
told him the appointment was fixed at 7:00 p.m.. Tamraz dismissed his
chauffeur and his guard in full confidence. Zouheir, one of my men, drove
Tamraz's own Mercedes. I placed three other security guards with him. I
drove the escort car with a man called « Bob».
We arrived at my apartment in Zahleh, Salma Touma's requisitioned
apartment. We offered him a cup of coffee and bluntly told him he was our
captive. Only then did he realize he had been trapped. Though it was ice
cold up in Zahleh and no fuel available for heating, we ordered him to take
off all his clothes and put all his papers and personal stuff in an
envelope. Then I locked him up in the bathroom and put two guys on watch at
the door, Samir and Bob. As I had to report to Hobeika in Damascus, I
instructed Samir and Bob not to let anyone in during my absence.
Hobeika, trusting no one but me, told me to get Assaad Shaftari and Paul
Ariss to conduct the inquiry with him and cut and run back to my house where
Tamraz was detained. It was clear that Hobeika and Shaftari had agreed on a
specific plan of action to swindle Tamraz. By the time Shaftari and Ariss
came to see Tamraz, it was well past 10:00 p.m..
Shivering with cold and fear, Tamraz told them that he was currently in
conflict with the Governor of the Central Bank, Edmond Naim. But they could
care less. All they were after was cash. He would not yield and they would
not give up. The questioning extended till 8:00 a.m.. Tamraz was washed
out, hungry, and cold. Nevertheless, I took him back to the ice cold
bathroom and locked him up again.
MANY PERSON'S DID SOME CONTACTS WITH THE Syria's ASKING ABOUT YOU (WALID,
ETC...) THEY WERE ORDERED NOT TO ASK ANYMORE OF COURSE. THE Syria's KNOW
WHERE YOU ARE.. YOUR
F. DOES NOT INTEREST ANYBODY. YOU'D BETTER THINK IT OVER ONCE AGAIN AND
START THINKING OF REVEALING THE SECRET ACCOUNTS YOU HAVE AND PAYING THE CASH
IT REQUESTED.
YOU WILL BE PERMITTED TO EAT AND DRINK ONLY WHEN YOU WILL START A
POSITIVE ACTION! THE BOY'S ARE INSTRUCTED TO PUSH FORWARD MISTREATING YOU
UNTIL YOU FULFILL OUR REQ AND BELIEVE ME THEY CAN DO MIRACLES.
ASSO IS INSTRUCTED NOT TO SEE YOU ANYMORE UNTIL
HOBEIKA'S THREATS TO TAMRAZ PUSHED UP
Hobeika summoned me to Damascus where the minute I arrived he gave me a
hand-written message which Tamraz had to answer and another one which he had
to think over. For two days, Shaftari and Ariss conducted their muscled
questioning. Tamraz was firmly repeating, «Money is for investment not for
storage. I do not have liquid assets. Twelve million US dollars, this is an
exorbitant amount I can't gather».
Tamraz also proposed to finance important projects that could breed them
fortunes and offer job opportunities. Shaftari and Ariss were adamant.
Cash money was their objective.
In despair, Elie Hobeika who was pulling the strings, instructed us to
increase pressure by torture and starvation. We obliged. He was deprived of
food and water, physically tortured him with electric waves and ice cold
water. He brushed death twice as I was dealing with him. I was in full
admiration for his physical resistance despite his age.
I remember in his unbearable agony, he used to whisper to me, « Cobra,
these men don't know how to deal with anyone. All they care for is their own
interests» or, «Cobra, my biggest problem in Edmond Naim. Ask them to help
me find a solution with him. Naim doesn't care a rap about Al Mashrek or
other banks in Paris and Switzerland. All he thinks about is my
destruction.»
In the end, this tough and determined man, crushed by pain, accepted to pay
five million United States dollars in cash. He knew he could no longer count
on his Syrian friends, nor on Walid Jumblatt. Hobeika had informed him that
no one cared and no one would step in to help him. « If he dies, nobody
would blame us.» Hobeika kept repeating to us, « we will spread it around
that he was an Israeli agent.»
Fadi Saroufim gave him a bank account number under a false name at the Wedge
Bank, Shtaura Branch and a cellular phone to contact his family, friends and
business associates. His first call was to his wife in New York. Then he
phoned secretary, Noha, in Paris, and his friend Philip Tabet from the TMA.
When the ransom money started coming in, Hobeika and his associates
breathed. They gave us instructions to ease the pressure and start feeding
Tamraz. It was I, Cobra, who would report to Hobeika, the conversation I had
with my captive regarding Edmond Naim. He would not listen. All he wanted
to hear was whether the bank transfer had arrived or not.
I have met General Ramhamadani through P. Elie Bitar about three years
ago. The object was as Bitar said, to make an investment in Syria for a
joint agriculture project 50 percent for the Syrian government and 50
percent for the Mashrek, the capital to be five million. The Mashrek Party
was to put up the foreign cash and bring American agricultural know how to
Syria, partly to be the local currency required and the land. On my side
were a team of three: myself and John Hilken, a United States agricultural
expert with whom I had already done a project similar in Egypt; and, Fouad
Faral, an accounting expert from INTRA on the Syrian Side.
Bitar never appeared at the official meetings but General Ramhamadani
arranged for meetings with the Prime Minister Kasm and with the minister of
the economy Al Emadi and with the minister of agriculture. I forgot his
name, but it was of Kurdish origin. These series of meetings took place
three times during an interval of two months. The meetings ended by signing
a protocol agreement, similar to a letter of intent between the two parties.
Two points remained unresolved; one which was important and one which also
was important but not a condition to break. Al Emadi promised to the two
points points agreed upon. One point concerned whether I could use TMA to
move the agricultural fresh produce from Syria to Europe while the Syrians
were insisting on Syrian Arab airlines.
The money arrived at the bank. Saroufim stashed it in briefcases and
handed it to Hobeika for distribution. René Kehdo Moawad cashed $500,000,
Paul Ariss and Assad Shaftari, each received $300,000, his brother Charles,
Pierre Yazbeck, and his wife, Gina Nashati received $200,000 each. His wife
flew to Paris to do her shopping twice. He also kept Zaher and Rabih Al
Khatib's Al Mashrek Television afloat. I know that Ghazi Kanaan and Assaad
Hardane collected about a million United States dollars each.
Some 25 days later, the full ransom was paid. Hobeika asked me to drive
Tamraz back to his West Beirut residence. On the way, he told me that
Hobeika did not care about the boys working for him otherwise he would have
accepted his propositions regarding economic and financial projects. He
stressed that had he been in Europe, he would not have let Edmond Naim
bankrupt his banks in Paris and Switzerland.
A short while later, we heard that Tamraz left Lebanon for good. Hobeika
implicated me entirely in the kidnapping of Roger Tamraz. What he did not
expect though was that strong ties always bind the victim and the hangman.
I, Cobra, gained the confidence and friendship of the international tycoon,
and we became friends. Moreover, Roger Tamraz sent me and the three boys,
Bob, Samir and Zouheir $50,000 dollars which we never received. Fadi
Saroufim kept the money for himself.
In the summer of 1989, Rudy Edward Barudy, now « Minister» and Elie
Hobeika's adviser, returned to Beirut and pressed for his share in the loot.
Hobeika gave him Roger Tamraz's armored Mercedes. He had falsified the
papers in Charles Hobeika's name.
The vehicle was then passed to Joseph Antipa who sold it. Once again,
Hobeika's wife received $50,000 United States dollars. Rudy E. Barudy also
seized Tamraz's Verdun apartment. However, they left it to the legal owner
against $50,000 United Statesdollars, key money.
Hobeika sent me over to Miami, Florida in the United States to buy computer
programs and materials. Unfortunately, I was arrested, jailed, and judged as
a terrorist there. Hobeika paid my lawyer $10,000 dollars and obtained my
extradition. Today, I am still on the United States authorities' blacklist,
thanks to Elie Hobeika, who in the eyes of the United States authorities is
clean. All his dirty work was done by his underdogs. He took the credit and
the money and we took nothing but a bad name, a dark future, poverty and
destitution.
--
+++ Loubnan, La youkhar wala youfna +++
hobeika joseph
Re: poor TAMRAZ !!!!!!!!!!!!
KEEP ON DREAMING§
my word , poor tamraz, we need to have the red cross do" special
collections" for him!!! in order for him to have enough money to deffend
himself against the false accusations of HK !! which lent TAMRAZ in so
much trouble with INTERPOL , and a whole host of other tribunals and
international
institutions and individuals ???, my word ELIE HOBEIKA IS so powerfull to
do all of this on his own to tamraz??, and the only protection left to
TAMRAZ was the CIA !!! come on guys , why
don't grow up baby!!
as for TAMRAZ's connections , you make me laugh!! if you knew anything
about the " USA ", and big government
agencies and institutions , you would never utter these words , but you are
only repeating what you hear and see in the press !!! as usual !! there
is so many TURF battles going on in these massive
agencies , that anyone with "contacts" could claim to have connections with
any of these gigantic organisations.
so longo dingo.
phoenician wrote:
> Do we have the honour of speaking to Judas' son himself because i know
> of joseph Elie Hobeika, son of H.K. It is a possibility but for someone
> who lives in Martakla, you seem to master the english language rather
> well.I would discount the theory of you being a good student because
> your dad sadly didn't get further than the Brevet. However, if Cobra's
> book taught me something it is never to discount Elie Hobeika. He
> probably kidnapped some English professors for your birthday so that
> they write your message. But why this sudden appearance on the net ?
> H.K probably harassed Bill Gates into surrendering Microsoft to him
> just like he kidnapped lebanese tycoon Roger Tamraz and tortured him in
> order to get millions of dollars from him. He then promptly started
> spreading false accusations that Tamraz is an ally of the israelis and
> poor Tamraz is now followed by interpol and was going to be deported to
> lebanon had it not been for his close ties with the CIA. I respected
> your father up until he sold his soul to the syrians and abandoned all
> lebanese christians who were in need just so that he gets a few
> contracts here and there to help pay for his shagging around.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Abou Zouz
These posts are for information purposes only, and most of it may or
may not be true. If you are truly a Hobeika close relative, please contest
the accusations point by point as untrue and provide your side of the story
instead of been on the deffensive like that. There is two sides to every
story and I'm sure there is something you can add and / or elaborate on.
Point out the lies and inconsistansies and give some details. You may be
right, Cobra may have embalished the story to suit himself and his anger at
H.K. We know basicly the events took place, te's find out, that's where you,
and people like you with information regading those events come in ...
--
+++ Loubnan, La youkhar wala youfna +++
hobeika joseph <hob...@ibm.net> wrote in message
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hobeika joseph
that i said then , and i say now ,
that i am
completely against putting any ban on this book .
i also said that it will be on the net very soon and that everyone will have
access to it , so i do not see
how i could be on the defensive having said that about this" book"!!??
i know that it's for information and we thank you for it ....
however , my repetitive posts cover the "major" topics which are the nuts and
bolts of the controversy ...
as far as your statement : " essentially we know these things happened " ?
what things ? where ? who? how?
to say ok these things happened so largely we take them at face value , and slam
them onto someone , because some
disgruntled jerk said so ?!!! this is ludicrous , and you know it ????
hence, i am not honoring this garbage with any answers , point by point or no
point at all !!!
i will choose my issues as i see them and speak to them , the way i see fit ,
when i see fit...
in any case i remain completely confident that when people read this , they will
make their own judgment!!
and nothing you or i will say , is going to make any difference whatever...
all i can do is provide additional information which
i have gathered over a very long time , because it's obvious that i care deeply
about these issues, and i will continue to do so.
SinelfiLe1
>+++ Joseph,
> These posts are for information purposes only, and most of it may or
>may not be true.
i don't know what happend behind close doors in syria or israel but all the
fights and the killing,,, and you are with me loyality thing it happend i did
not see one line thats lie but i can't say what he did in syria or in ZAHLEH i
was not there but i know after he went to ZAHLEH the car bombs were blowing ib
east beirut like the 4 of july over the hudson river in NY
Be A Man Among Men And Fight For Free Lebanon
+Live Free Or Die+
Sinelfile1
Abou Zouz
When I said "these things happened", I was not reffering to H.K.
but to battles on the ground, intifada among other things. I was not in any
way passing a judgement on H.K., at least not untill I do my reaserch as I'm
sure some of this may be embelished. As far as answering point by point, you
dont have to. As you said, choose your issues and time as you see fit. You
will not see any slaming from me untill I am convinced, that is why I asked
you for feedback, as they say in U.S.A. "straight out of the horses
mouth"... [no offence]
+++ Loubnan, La youkhar wala youfna +++
hobeika joseph <hob...@ibm.net> wrote in message
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charlie
confessing to the crimes commited in sabra.
and israeli soldiers confessed that they saw them killing children and women
and did nothing. One israeli soldier even commited suicide,
because of what he saw. I couldn't sleep the night I saw that doc., it was
terrible. Cobra said that one guy called HK about what to do with the women
and children,
and how HK replied saying to him 'you shit'. The same words were said by
this guy on this documentery about 9 years before
Cobra's book. Jo can go around fabricating stories to defend his friend. But
everyone knows that HK did it. Now the contreversy claimed by Cobra that the
syrians asked HK to do such a thing!. That is disputable. What could be more
believed by me:
1. HK guys went there and things got out of control. Bashir was just killed.
They were very angry and maybe on drugs, HK too.
2. Ariel Sharon knew that was going to happen. He thought he will get the
christians to be more involved through this mess.
3. He was wrong about achieving any political gain from it, and it will
haunt him to the end of his life!
4. As for HK it will haunt him as well to the end of his life, but the
syrians won't stop protecting him. (dont worry joe)
But all these could be proven wrong, and cobra could be saying the truth
after all and.. the syrains could finish HK to hide the truth for ever!
If you see the documentary you'd relaize that sabra and shatila was the last
blow to the purity of the christian cause, since then we became bunch of
criminals serving either the syrian regime or our instincts, only for a time
and till we turn against each other, we should last. Shame shame shame on
us. And as well shame on everyone who calls himself leader in the ME. In
israel they did at least an inquiry. Not one leader in syria or palestine
said a word about it or tried to bring the people responsible to justice.
Not one leader!
I (known here as charlie) appologize from the very depth of my heart to the
crimes commited in the name of the LF in sabra and shatila.
As a christian, I am very disturbed by these facts, and ask the innocent
palestinian people of sabra and shatila for forgiveness!
(Though myself I wasn't involved in those acts, I only drove near the camps
that day and felt something evil going on, but kept going)
I do invite all my friends to do the same, if cobra had any sense of
humanity left in him, he would've done it too!
charlie.
hobeika joseph
Anita
copy!
charlie <DukeC...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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hobeika joseph
HALEVY, and TIME magazine , it did not bring anything new....
this is the true story...... if you care to verify it , why don't you talk to
FADY FREM ? he was the commander of the LF at
the time , he was nominated by BASHIR , before his tragic
assasination........Subject:
Re: lies
the sabra and shatila issue.*
for your information , H.K. " elie HOBEIKA " was a member of the L.F. like many
others .
he had a certain position , that's a given , but when BASHIR was killed, god
bless his
soul, there was a vacuum, which was filled in some sort by his brother amin and
his late
father pierre gemayel.
sharon was the master of ceremonies in the theater of operations in beirut and
the rest
of the country south of beirut . he came to bickfaya and the meeting happened
with all
these
guys in attendance, and many more, HK was not one of them, he had a lot to do
and he was
devastated by the death of BASHIR.. sharon laid out the plans and requested that
the
forces enter beirut and the camps
and pierre gemayel approved these plans. the rest is history.and several
documents do
exist in safe places to attest to that chain of events and how certain orders
were given
in this famous meeting!
when sharon found out that things got overboard , and he is in up to his knees ,
since he
is the one who orchestrated this whole macabre affair. he swang his SPIN DOCTORS
INTO
ACTION , and
the result was ," let's find an easy target to put the blame on" . and it was
quickly
determined that H.K. will be the fall guy, and will have to wear that HAT, for
this
someone could try to keep his reputation intact as a war hero and a blitzkrieg
super
strategist.AND A FUTURE HEAVY WEIGHT IN POLITICS
........................................!!!!!!
but history has a way to get back to people with a vengeance , and sharon was
blamed by
his own
supreme court special commission, and made to resign.
what happened is that they fabricated a story from "" A TO Z "", and sent it to
TIME
magazine , through TIME's correspondent in JERUSALEM ; """ david HALEVY""" ,
TIME
printed the story, and the whole world ran with the story as if it was a given
fact
,because events were so melodramatic, and so it goes......!! after time
magazine did
some checking on the story , they quickly discovered that " DAVID HALEVY " is
more of a
professional liar for the Israeli services , and that he on many occasions had
fabricated
stories to make a reputation for himself , and TIME had to do a nasty piece on
sharon to
try to get their equilibrium and reputation back! hence the law suit which was
brought
by sharon against time afterwards for defamation , and the case was settled out
of
court...... i would tell you even more , i went to new york and did a
complete
check on the MICROFILM
OF THE NEW YORK TIMES NEWSPAPER ? for that particular period of september
1982 and for
6 months after that until june 1983, not ounce did i see the name of ELIE
HOBEIKA or
anyone else blamed in person for this sordid story, the only person who was
blamed in
person is the commander of the israeli forces on the ground at the time, the
minister of
defense ariel sharon, the NEW YORK TIMES IS ONE OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL AND
SELF
RESPECTING NEWS PAPER IN THE USA and would not print unfounded allegations
without
several corroborating sources to a story.
HENCE I AM CONVINCED THAT THIS BOOK IS STILL ANOTHER WAY OF GETTING AT H.K. BY
THE SAME
PEOPLE USING POOR MINDED INDIVIDUALS LIKE COBRA , BECAUSE NO ONE WAS ABLE TO
PIN
ANYTHING DOWN ON HK , because he was one of many , in a position of
responsibility,
and not the guy who has to take all the flack for others and he NEVER WILL ,
they have
tried before with another book , written by another agent " BARBARA NEWMAN" to
no avail
!!!!. the funny thing is that the only people who, talk most about this and
apportion
blame on HK , are his political rivals in lebanon, especially CHRISTIANS ?
what a
funny coincidence!!!!!!!
HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT , i am of course going to tell you that given the
history of the
civil war in lebanon , with the Palestinians being one of the main actors
against the
christians for so long , the guys who went in did not bring along flowers and
roses and
things certainly got out of hand and more than fighters were targeted ...
PAKRADONI WAS GETTING HIS ORDERS FROM WHOM ? THAT PARTICULAR DAY OF SEP.14TH
1982.
THE FATEFUL DAY OF THE SAVAGE KILLING OF OUR PRESIDENT ELECT "BASHIR". when he
left the room 15 minutes before the blast , to go and buy a bottle of mineral
water!!!?
> you have no rights, no land, no passport, no voice, no freedom, no brains
> and no voting card... It is really sad!
>
>
> Golani M Golani <ALJO...@SYRIA.ARAB> wrote in message
> news:37632FCA...@SYRIA.ARAB...
> > I know what is your problem, Assd is a victorious in Syria and in Lebanon.
> He
> > control his agenda and fuck his enemies. Yes i should have voted for
> him, but
> > I do not have Syrian voting card. sad.
> >
> >
> > charlie wrote:
> >
> > > Look who's talking! I bet you are one of the 99.99% that vote Assad.
> your
> > > son will vote for his son and so on.
> > > You have no rights, no land, no passport, no voice, no freedom, no
> thinking,
> > > even the air you breath is controlled by the regime.
> > > You and your country are a joke to the whole free world. One of the
> 99.99%.
> > > Someone said during referendum in Syria more than 0.01% die, yet they
> manage
> > > to vote Assad. I said it is only the dead who vote Assad, just the
> country
> > > is full of them!
> > > When did you have one criminal in your country coming out of the closet
> to
> > > speak about the crimes of your regime?
> > >
> > > Golani M Golani <ALJO...@SYRIA.ARAB> wrote in message
> > > news:3762D51B...@SYRIA.ARAB...
> > > > You are a typical sheep, could be directed by any statement. no matter
> who
> > > twits
> > > > or says you follow. This bastard could say that Dani Shamoun is a
> hero,
> > > then
> > > > Dani will be a hero to you. A typical guided sheep.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > charlie wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I thank you Cobra for coming out and saying the truth about everyone
> of
> > > > > these leaders.
> > > > > They used the lives of many to build their own power, wealth and
> > > prestige.
> > > > > But what amazes me that you Rober Hatem if you really had any sense
> of
> > > love
> > > > > to your people,
> > > > > why didn't you take your own pistol and shoot the HK in his eyes? It
> is
> > > > > worthless now to go on crying and weeping,
> > > > > but these leaders had murderers like you to assist them in their
> plans.
> > > It
> > > > > makes me feel sick.
> > > > > I used to blame Amin since he was the President, now I realize how
> much
> > > > > powerless he was. Very sad!
> > > > > Our only hope now that Lahoud though he is very pro-syrian would
> love
> > > his
> > > > > country a little bit more, and with the moslems in Lebanon, bring
> > > freedom,
> > > > > justice and true democracy to it, but again I am only dreaming.
> > > > >
> > > > > Abou Zouz <abou...@mail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:fvw83.38$_y3...@news.megsinet.net...
> > > > > > +++ Elie Hobeika was getting pretty nervous, although he never
> showed
> > > it.
> > > > > He
> > > > > > appeared in reserved and cool in public, smiling and cheerful
> wherever
> > > he
> > > > > > went. At this time, he was a modern Dr. Jeykell and Mr. Hyde.
> With
> > > his
> > > > > > two personalities, he led a double life. One for the masses, and
> one
> > > for
> > > > > > himself. Nobody except myself and a few others, knew what he was
> up
> > > to.
> > > > > > Nothing leaked. The « Arab telephone « was dumb for the first
> time in
> > > > > > Lebanon. To this day, I wonder who and how rumors stopped
> circulating
> > > > > > altogether, giving him a free hand in his new nasty enterprise to
> > > crush
> > > > > the
> > > > > > Christian people of Lebanon. He would let nothing, a slip of a
> tongue
> > > or
> > > > > a
> > > > > > gun stop him. The Tripartite Accord was at short-range, and
> within
> > > > > striking
> > > > > > distance.
> > > > > > The shameful Tripartite Accord between the Lebanese Forces, Amal
> and
> > > the
> > > > > > Druze was sponsored by Syria politically and Rafik Hariri
> financially.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > text had been cooked up during secret meetings held at intervals
> > > between
> > > > > > Rafik Hariri, Jean Ghanem, one of Bashir's lieutenants, and a
> Lebanese
> > > > > > Forces executive committee member, and a prominent
> > > journalist-editorialist
> > > > > > from Al Nahar Arabic language daily paper known for his antagonism
> for
> > > > > > Bashir, and the Christian options, Sarkis Naoum, and the middleman
> > > Michel
> > > > > > Samaha as well as Johnny Abdo former Lebanese army Intelligence
> chief.
> > > > > > I was present at all the preliminary meetings as Hobeika's
> close
> > > > > > bodyguard and trustful « watchdog». There were three major
> top-secret
> > > > > > meetings. One was on the island of Crete in Greece, it lasted for
> > > three
> > > > > > days. It was attended by Hariri, Hobeika and the close counsels.
> > > Another
> > > > > > one was held at Hariri's residence in the suburbs of Paris. I
> even
> > > > > remember
> > > > > > a funny incident during the flight aboard Hariri's private jet. I
> had
> > > > > > noticed that all the porcelains crockery and sets of utensils were
> > > stamped
> > > > > > with Hariri's initials R.H., which happen to be my own « R» for
> Robert
> > > and
> > > > > > H» for Hatem. So I decided to steal as much as I could lay my
> hands
> > > on.
> > > > > > Hobeika noticed and slanged me. So I put everything right back
> where
> > > it
> > > > > > belonged sorrowfully.
> > > > > > Meetings were also held in Beirut. One was in Ashrafieh and
> > > another in
> > > > > > Vivian Debbas' residence in Naccache in the Northern Matn. At the
> end
> > > of
> > > > > > each of these meetings, whether in Lebanon or abroad, « Samsonite»
> > > > > > attache-cases full of United States dollars were offered to each
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > participants.
> > > > > > Being a messenger, I also discovered that the military part was
> > > drafted
> > > > > > by General Michel Aoun himself, and that the bandmaster, Michel
> Murr
> > > > > bought
> > > > > > off everyone, even Aoun to whom he offered a house in Naccache.
> > > > > > The political part was drafted by Sarkis Naoum and Sejaan Azzi,
> Michel
> > > > > > Samaha. It was reviewed and revised by former foreign minister
> and
> > > noted
> > > > > > attorney, Fuad Butros. Toto (Antoine) Bridi, a Greek orthodox like
> > > Murr
> > > > > and
> > > > > > Butros, and the latter protege were the link.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When everything was ready, Hobeika judged that it was high time to
> > > make
> > > > > the
> > > > > > decision public. He held a gigantic rally at the Casino du Liban
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > Kessrouan. It was a bright and sunny Sunday, but a bloody Sunday
> for
> > > the
> > > > > > Lebanese Christians who were once more were about to witness the
> > > fiercest
> > > > > > battle between the Christian factions.
> > > > > > At the same time, the Kataeb Party, under the chairmanship of
> Dr.
> > > Elie
> > > > > > Karameh, the Kataeb Party's President since Sheikh Pierre's death,
> and
> > > an
> > > > > > unshakable supporter and close friend of Sheikh Pierre and Amin
> > > Gemayel,
> > > > > > organized a popular rally in the Matn. Hobeika could not accept
> > > anything
> > > > > to
> > > > > > divert attention from him, so he ordered a boobie trapped car to
> be
> > > placed
> > > > > > in Nahr Al Kalb and explode at the passage of his vehicle. The
> boobie
> > > > > > trapped car was spotted before it went off by Amin's special
> security
> > > > > squad.
> > > > > > Karameh was saved but the rupture between Elie Hobeika, the Kataeb
> > > Party
> > > > > and
> > > > > > Amin Gemayel was consummated. The worst was yet to come. The
> > > Christians
> > > > > > were so far away from September 1982 and from the innocence and
> > > pureness
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the two-year war.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE TRIES . YOU ARE WASTING TIME AND ENERGY.KEEP AT
> IT.
YOU COULD ALL EAT YOUR WORDS . AND WE SHALL REVISIT THE ISSUES IN DUE COURSE.
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST BOOK OR THE LAST .
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
Golani M Golani wrote:
> I know what is your problem, Assd is a victorious in Syria and in Lebanon. He
> control his agenda and fuck his enemies. Yes i should have voted for him,
but
> I do not have Syrian voting card. sad.
>
> charlie wrote:
>
> > Look who's talking! I bet you are one of the 99.99% that vote Assad. your
> > son will vote for his son and so on.
> > You have no rights, no land, no passport, no voice, no freedom, no thinking,
> > even the air you breath is controlled by the regime.
> > You and your country are a joke to the whole free world. One of the 99.99%.
> > Someone said during referendum in Syria more than 0.01% die, yet they manage
> > to vote Assad. I said it is only the dead who vote Assad, just the country
> > is full of them!
> > When did you have one criminal in your country coming out of the closet to
> > speak about the crimes of your regime?
> >
> > Golani M Golani <ALJO...@SYRIA.ARAB> wrote in message
> > news:3762D51B...@SYRIA.ARAB...
> > > You are a typical sheep, could be directed by any statement. no matter who
> > twits
> > > or says you follow. This bastard could say that Dani Shamoun is a hero,
> > then
> > > Dani will be a hero to you. A typical guided sheep.
> > >
> > >
> > > charlie wrote:
> > >
> > > > I thank you Cobra for coming out and saying the truth about everyone of
> > > > these leaders.
> > > > They used the lives of many to build their own power, wealth and
> > prestige.
> > > > But what amazes me that you Rober Hatem if you really had any sense of
> > love
> > > > to your people,
> > > > why didn't you take your own pistol and shoot the HK in his eyes? It is
> > > > worthless now to go on crying and weeping,
> > > > but these leaders had murderers like you to assist them in their plans.
> > It
> > > > makes me feel sick.
> > > > I used to blame Amin since he was the President, now I realize how much
> > > > powerless he was. Very sad!
> > > > Our only hope now that Lahoud though he is very pro-syrian would love
> > his
> > > > country a little bit more, and with the moslems in Lebanon, bring
> > freedom,
> > > > justice and true democracy to it, but again I am only dreaming.
> > > >
> > > > Abou Zouz <abou...@mail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:fvw83.38$_y3...@news.megsinet.net...
> > > > > +++ Elie Hobeika was getting pretty nervous, although he never showed
> > it.
> > > > He
> > > > > appeared in reserved and cool in public, smiling and cheerful wherever
> > he
> > > > > went. At this time, he was a modern Dr. Jeykell and Mr. Hyde. With
> > his
> > > > > two personalities, he led a double life. One for the masses, and one
> > for
> > > > > himself. Nobody except myself and a few others, knew what he was up
> > to.
> > > > > Nothing leaked. The « Arab telephone « was dumb for the first time in
> > > > > Lebanon. To this day, I wonder who and how rumors stopped circulating
> > > > > altogether, giving him a free hand in his new nasty enterprise to
> > crush
> > > > the
> > > > > Christian people of Lebanon. He would let nothing, a slip of a tongue
> > or
> > > > a
> > > > > gun stop him. The Tripartite Accord was at short-range, and within
> > > > striking
> > > > > distance.
> > > > > The shameful Tripartite Accord between the Lebanese Forces, Amal and
> > the
> > > > > Druze was sponsored by Syria politically and Rafik Hariri financially.
> > > > The
> > > > > text had been cooked up during secret meetings held at intervals
> > between
> > > > > Rafik Hariri, Jean Ghanem, one of Bashir's lieutenants, and a Lebanese
> > > > > Forces executive committee member, and a prominent
> > journalist-editorialist
> > > > > from Al Nahar Arabic language daily paper known for his antagonism for
> > > > > Bashir, and the Christian options, Sarkis Naoum, and the middleman
> > Michel
> > > > > Samaha as well as Johnny Abdo former Lebanese army Intelligence chief.
> > > > > I was present at all the preliminary meetings as Hobeika's close
> > > > > bodyguard and trustful « watchdog». There were three major top-secret
> > > > > meetings. One was on the island of Crete in Greece, it lasted for
> > three
> > > > > days. It was attended by Hariri, Hobeika and the close counsels.
> > Another
> > > > > one was held at Hariri's residence in the suburbs of Paris. I even
> > > > remember
> > > > > a funny incident during the flight aboard Hariri's private jet. I had
> > > > > noticed that all the porcelains crockery and sets of utensils were
> > stamped
> > > > > with Hariri's initials R.H., which happen to be my own « R» for Robert
> > and
> > > > > H» for Hatem. So I decided to steal as much as I could lay my hands
> > on.
> > > > > Hobeika noticed and slanged me. So I put everything right back where
> > it
> > > > > belonged sorrowfully.
> > > > > Meetings were also held in Beirut. One was in Ashrafieh and
> > another in
> > > > > Vivian Debbas' residence in Naccache in the Northern Matn. At the end
> > of
> > > > > each of these meetings, whether in Lebanon or abroad, « Samsonite»
> > > > > attache-cases full of United States dollars were offered to each of
> > the
> > > > > participants.
> > > > > Being a messenger, I also discovered that the military part was
> > drafted
> > > > > by General Michel Aoun himself, and that the bandmaster, Michel Murr
> > > > bought
> > > > > off everyone, even Aoun to whom he offered a house in Naccache.
> > > > > The political part was drafted by Sarkis Naoum and Sejaan Azzi, Michel
> > > > > Samaha. It was reviewed and revised by former foreign minister and
> > noted
> > > > > attorney, Fuad Butros. Toto (Antoine) Bridi, a Greek orthodox like
> > Murr
> > > > and
> > > > > Butros, and the latter protege were the link.
> > > > >
> > > > > When everything was ready, Hobeika judged that it was high time to
> > make
> > > > the
> > > > > decision public. He held a gigantic rally at the Casino du Liban in
> > the
> > > > > Kessrouan. It was a bright and sunny Sunday, but a bloody Sunday for
> > the
> > > > > Lebanese Christians who were once more were about to witness the
> > fiercest
> > > > > battle between the Christian factions.
> > > > > At the same time, the Kataeb Party, under the chairmanship of Dr.
> > Elie
> > > > > Karameh, the Kataeb Party's President since Sheikh Pierre's death, and
> > an
> > > > > unshakable supporter and close friend of Sheikh Pierre and Amin
> > Gemayel,
> > > > > organized a popular rally in the Matn. Hobeika could not accept
> > anything
> > > > to
> > > > > divert attention from him, so he ordered a boobie trapped car to be
> > placed
> > > > > in Nahr Al Kalb and explode at the passage of his vehicle. The boobie
> > > > > trapped car was spotted before it went off by Amin's special security
> > > > squad.
> > > > > Karameh was saved but the rupture between Elie Hobeika, the Kataeb
> > Party
> > > > and
> > > > > Amin Gemayel was consummated. The worst was yet to come. The
> > Christians
> > > > > were so far away from September 1982 and from the innocence and
> > pureness
> > > > of
> > > > > the two-year war.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > +++ Loubnan, La youkhar wala youfna +++
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
charlie wrote:
> I thank you Cobra for coming out and saying the truth about everyone of
> these leaders.
> They used the lives of many to build their own power, wealth and prestige.
> But what amazes me that you Rober Hatem if you really had any sense of love
> to your people,
> why didn't you take your own pistol and shoot the HK in his eyes? It is
> worthless now to go on crying and weeping,
> but these leaders had murderers like you to assist them in their plans. It
> makes me feel sick.
> I used to blame Amin since he was the President, now I realize how much
> powerless he was. Very sad!
> Our only hope now that Lahoud though he is very pro-syrian would love his
> country a little bit more, and with the moslems in Lebanon, bring freedom,
> justice and true democracy to it, but again I am only dreaming.
>
> Abou Zouz <abou...@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:fvw83.38$_y3...@news.megsinet.net...
> > +++ Elie Hobeika was getting pretty nervous, although he never showed it.
> He
> > appeared in reserved and cool in public, smiling and cheerful wherever he
> > went. At this time, he was a modern Dr. Jeykell and Mr. Hyde. With his
> > two personalities, he led a double life. One for the masses, and one for
> > himself. Nobody except myself and a few others, knew what he was up to.
> > Nothing leaked. The « Arab telephone « was dumb for the first time in
> > Lebanon. To this day, I wonder who and how rumors stopped circulating
> > altogether, giving him a free hand in his new nasty enterprise to crush
> the
> > Christian people of Lebanon. He would let nothing, a slip of a tongue or
> a
> > gun stop him. The Tripartite Accord was at short-range, and within
> striking
> > distance.
> > The shameful Tripartite Accord between the Lebanese Forces, Amal and the
> > Druze was sponsored by Syria politically and Rafik Hariri financially.
> The
> > text had been cooked up during secret meetings held at intervals between
> > Rafik Hariri, Jean Ghanem, one of Bashir's lieutenants, and a Lebanese
> > Forces executive committee member, and a prominent journalist-editorialist
> > from Al Nahar Arabic language daily paper known for his antagonism for
> > Bashir, and the Christian options, Sarkis Naoum, and the middleman Michel
> > Samaha as well as Johnny Abdo former Lebanese army Intelligence chief.
> > I was present at all the preliminary meetings as Hobeika's close
> > bodyguard and trustful « watchdog». There were three major top-secret
> > meetings. One was on the island of Crete in Greece, it lasted for three
> > days. It was attended by Hariri, Hobeika and the close counsels. Another
> > one was held at Hariri's residence in the suburbs of Paris. I even
> remember
> > a funny incident during the flight aboard Hariri's private jet. I had
> > noticed that all the porcelains crockery and sets of utensils were stamped
> > with Hariri's initials R.H., which happen to be my own « R» for Robert and
> > H» for Hatem. So I decided to steal as much as I could lay my hands on.
> > Hobeika noticed and slanged me. So I put everything right back where it
> > belonged sorrowfully.
> > Meetings were also held in Beirut. One was in Ashrafieh and another in
> > Vivian Debbas' residence in Naccache in the Northern Matn. At the end of
> > each of these meetings, whether in Lebanon or abroad, « Samsonite»
> > attache-cases full of United States dollars were offered to each of the
> > participants.
> > Being a messenger, I also discovered that the military part was drafted
> > by General Michel Aoun himself, and that the bandmaster, Michel Murr
> bought
> > off everyone, even Aoun to whom he offered a house in Naccache.
> > The political part was drafted by Sarkis Naoum and Sejaan Azzi, Michel
> > Samaha. It was reviewed and revised by former foreign minister and noted
> > attorney, Fuad Butros. Toto (Antoine) Bridi, a Greek orthodox like Murr
> and
> > Butros, and the latter protege were the link.
> >
> > When everything was ready, Hobeika judged that it was high time to make
> the
> > decision public. He held a gigantic rally at the Casino du Liban in the
> > Kessrouan. It was a bright and sunny Sunday, but a bloody Sunday for the
> > Lebanese Christians who were once more were about to witness the fiercest
> > battle between the Christian factions.
> > At the same time, the Kataeb Party, under the chairmanship of Dr. Elie
> > Karameh, the Kataeb Party's President since Sheikh Pierre's death, and an
> > unshakable supporter and close friend of Sheikh Pierre and Amin Gemayel,
> > organized a popular rally in the Matn. Hobeika could not accept anything
> to
> > divert attention from him, so he ordered a boobie trapped car to be placed
> > in Nahr Al Kalb and explode at the passage of his vehicle. The boobie
> > trapped car was spotted before it went off by Amin's special security
> squad.
> > Karameh was saved but the rupture between Elie Hobeika, the Kataeb Party
> and
> > Amin Gemayel was consummated. The worst was yet to come. The Christians
> > were so far away from September 1982 and from the innocence and pureness
> of
> > the two-year war.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > +++ Loubnan, La youkhar wala youfna +++
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Anita wrote: