Laos arrests four American 'troublemakers'
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
make trouble for living, I hope Konglone put
them in Samkhae and forget about them (Khungleum)
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
Mon Jun 6, 2:08 AM ET
BANGKOK (Reuters) - Communist Laos has arrested four American
"troublemakers" for liaising illegally with ethnic Hmong villagers, the
hill people who once manned a secret CIA-backed army during the
Vietnam War, an official said on Monday. Foreign Ministry spokesman
Yong Chanhthalansy said the four, all members of a California-based
group of Hmong sympathisers called the Fact Finding Commission, were
detained on Saturday and were being interrogated in Vientiane.
Bangkok's Nation newspaper said the last communication from the group
was a satellite phone call its leader, Ed Szendrey, made around 50 km
(30 miles) outside Vientiane near a major military checkpoint.
The other three were Georgie Szendrey and two Hmong Americans, Sia Cher
Vang and Nhia Vang Yang, the paper said.
"They got tourist visas and they were making trouble with the local
authorities and local people, who reported that they were very
unhappy," Yong told Reuters by telephone.
"So they have been placed under arrest and are now being interrogated
in Vientiane."
The communist government, installed in 1975 after a long civil war
played out on the sidelines of the U.S. conflict in Vietnam, bars
foreigners from going to the Xaisomboun "Special Zone" north of
Vientiane, where remnants of the Hmong guerrilla army have evaded
government forces for decades.
Ranking with North Korea and Cuba as the only three countries not
to enjoy normal trade relations with the United States, Laos is accused
of human rights abuses against the Hmong.
Thousands have fled to neighboring Thailand before receiving eventual
political asylum in the United States or elsewhere.
Szendrey was reported as saying he had met up with the first batch of
Hmong to surrender -- a 170-strong group, including women and children
-- to guarantee their safety when they emerged from the jungle to give
themselves up to the authorities.
However, Yong disputed Szendry's account, saying instead that he was
merely interfering in a government program to relocate far-flung jungle
communities in the landlocked southeast Asian nation to improve their
living conditions.
"We are trying to regroup all the hamlets into bigger villages so we
can help supply them with social services like drinking water and
electricity," Yong said. The U.S. ambassador had been summoned to the
Foreign Ministry to hear the government's "unhappiness that these
American citizens are violating our laws," he added.
U.S. embassy officials in Vientiane could not be reached for comment.
cwjmem
Saving Yong and Lengsavat's asses. They have released 3 of the four
just because they want to have good relationship with the US...He he he
...what a thugish regime, eh! Now the world knows, this idiot
government can trick, but they can't hide the truth.
Laos deports U.S. activists held for meeting ethnic Hmong rebels
Three of four U.S. activists detained after witnessing the surrender of
ethnic Hmong rebels in Laos were released and deported Monday by the
Lao government.
Ed and Georgie Szendrey of Oroville, California, and two Hmong-American
associates _ Nhia Yang and Sia Cher Vang _ were apparently taken off a
bus by police and detained Saturday after rendezvousing with a group of
170 women, children and old men from the hilltribe group in the central
province of Xieng Khouang.
The four traveled to the area to help ensure the group's safety when
they turned themselves in to authorities after trekking out of the
jungle.
Lao Foreign Ministry spokesman Yong Chantalangsy accused the four
Americans of coming to Laos to "create trouble," adding that three
would be deported for the sake of good relations with the United
States.
Sia Cher Vang, a businessman residing in Laos, would be held for
further investigation, he said.
It wasn't clear why they were detained or if they had been formally
charged with any crime. A close colleague of the Szendreys said the
three were released Monday afternoon and escorted across the border
into neighboring Thailand. ADVERTISEMENT
The Hmong have undergone persecution by the communist government of
Laos.
They were recruited by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency to fight on
behalf of a pro-American government during the Vietnam War, only to
find themselves all but abandoned after their communist enemies, the
Pathet Lao, won a long civil war in 1975.
More than 300,000 Laotian refugees, mostly Hmong, fled after the
takeover, many eventually resettling in the United States. Thousands
stayed behind, some adjusting to the new hardline regime and others
staying in the jungle, where they faced continuing attacks.
Saturday's surrender of 170 people had been expected to be followed by
thousands of others, winding up the Hmongs' decades in the wilderness.
The Szendreys helped found the U.S.-based Fact Finding Commission,
which sought to publicize the plight of the Hmong.
Szendrey had said earlier that although the plan to surrender was
voluntary, it was made in desperation as several pockets of the Hmong,
pursued by government troops, believed they would starve if they didn't
turn themselves in.
Another group of 400-500 Hmong in Borikhamsay province, southeast of
Xieng Khouang, were hoping to come out this week, said one of
Szendrey's associates. There was some urgency to the situation because
the group included a woman who needed medical attention after being
injured in a May 27 clash with Lao government troops, he said on
condition of anonymity.
l...@laoclub.zzn.com
I've enought of their Fake Shit!
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
they try to turned themselves in to authorities by saying:
do not surrender "they'll kill you all" in Hmong language.
Like:他們蔚殺死你們大家」
The US embassador's already know that Hmong from America
are more "troublemakers" than Hmong in Laos. No hard feeling
"cwjmem" it's true....He he he
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
Joe Fukawe
the FFC that no trouble exist, the LPDR further dig a grave for
themselves, arrest people with no formal or legal charges just because
they can, then had to turn around and let them go, talk about loosing
face.
I mean if you're going to go to that extreme route, should at least
plant some bomb making materials or frame them with something so they
could be lock up for somewhat legitimate reason. Goes to show, the
head doesn't know what the tail thinks most of the time...typical half
baked action....today's word....ladies and gentlemen....Absolute,
brother, Absolute, just like the Vodka....Absolute.
Joe
ຊາຍງາມ ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ
ເອົາແບບນີ້:
ປະເທດລາວ ລ້ານຊ້າງ ຈະຕ້ອງຈິງຈັງ ປາບພວກກໍ່ການຮ້າຍແລະພວກກະບົດ
- ຈິງຈັງ ປາບພວກ ກໍ່ການຮ້າຍ ສາກົນແລະພວກກໍ່ການຮ້າຍພາຍໃນ
- ຈິງຈັງ ປາບພວກ ປຸ້ນຈີ້
- ຈິງຈັງ ປາບພວກ ຂີ້ລັກຂະໂມຍນ້ອຍ
- ຈິງຈັງ ປາບພວກ ມີອິທິພົນ ຂຸນເສິກແລະສັກດີນາ
- ຈິງຈັງ ປາບພວກ ຢາເສພຕິດທຸກໆປະເພດ ໃຫ້ພົ້ນອອກຈາກ ປະເທດລາວ ລ້າງຊ້າງ
- ຈິງຈັງ ປາບພວກ ກໍ່ການບໍ່ດີ ລັກຍິງຣົຖ ຕາມສາຍທາງຕ່າງໆ ແຕ່ເຫນືອເຖິງໃຕ້.
- ຈິງຈັງ ປາບພວກ ສໍ້ໂກງປະຊາຊົນ
- ຈິງຈັງ ປາບພວກ ສໍ້ໂກງຣັຖບານ
- ຈິງຈັງ ປາບພວກ ໂລບພາສີຂອງປະຊາຊົນ
- ຈິງຈັງ ປາບພວກ ອາສັຍໂອກາດຂອງອຳນາດຣັຖບານ ເພື່ອຫາຜົນປະໂຫຍດ ເຂົ້າສ່ວນຕົວຫລືສ່ວນບຸກຄົນ
- ຈິງຈັງ ປາບພວກ ສໍ້ໂກງເງິນຂອງຕ່າງປະເທດ ທີ່ມາລົງທຶນຫລືມາຊ່ວຍເຫລືອລ້າ ໃນປະເທດລາວ ລ້ານຊ້າງ.
ຢ່າໄປປາບພວດເຂົາ ໄປຢ້ຽມຢາມ ຫລືເຂົາຈອບໆເບິ່ງ ຊື່ໆ ເຂົາບໍ່ມີຣົຖເກາະ ຣົຖຖັງ and F-18 ໄປນຳ ເຂົາໄປຈອບເບິ່ງຊື່ໆເນາະ, ເຮັດແນວໃດ ຖົງການເມືອງ ເອົາແກ່ວງຖີ້ມແລ້ວບໍ? ເຮັດແນວໃດ ລາວນອກແລະຕ່າງຊາຕເຂົາ ຊິໄວ້ໃຈ ກໍປະຕິບັດແດ່ລະບໍ? ເຂົາມາຍອມແລ້ວກໍເອີ້ນນັກຂ່າວ ທັງໂລກໄປເບິ່ງລະບໍ?. ຢາກປາບ ຕ້ອງປາບພວກຂ້ອຍເວົ້າມາທາງເທິງພຸ້ນ ບາດຂ້ອຍເອີ້ນເຈົ້າໄປປາບນຳ ບໍ່ເຫັນໄປນຳຂ້ອຍ ຖ້າບໍ່ຈັ່ງຊັ້ນເຈົ້າ ມ່ວນກັບຂ້ອຍໂລດ...
ຮັກແພງ ອາຍາອາວທີ່ລືມຖົງກວນເມືອງ
ເຊັນຊື່: ອ້າຍບ່າວລາວ ຂວານຄົມ
Joe Fukawe
Joe
Mimo
mercenaries. We have more than enough reason and evidence to make
"Padek" out of them at our Phontong Hotel, but we released them too
soon.
we care about relations with the US, true! but this and previous
examples will incourage more and more of this kind of provocation and i
doubt how long can our local man with AK 47 be patient? may be next
time when cought they will not see Vientiane.
Well, this time like previously, the Fact Fucking Cock lough again.
Hamnoi
Joe Fukawe
It's not about concerns for the US relation. It's about the LPDR gov.
don't have anything to charge them with legitimately, If the LPDR have
enough 'reason and evidence to make Padek' out of them like you stated,
I would beleive they would've done so already.
The LPDR knows that if they fabricate a charge, the 170 or so people
fresh out of the jungle and other FFC sympathisers (including
provincial local authorities) would cry fouls because they did nothing
wrong other than observing the surrendering process.
Joe
paxas...@yahoo.com
I think LPDR did the right thing and deported them out . Fag Fucking
Cock
organization is looking for cause to use against LPDR .
LPDR should officially ban all members of Fag Fucking Cock to enter
Laos period . Laos will be just fine without those trouble makers .
Hakpheng .
Paxasonlao4life .
ຊາຍງາມ ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ
ຖືກຕາມຄວາມ ໂຈ້ເວົ້າແລະຂ້ອຍກໍເວົ້າ ມາກ່ອນແລ້ວ ເຂົາໄປເບິ່ງຊື່ໆມັນຜິດຫຍັງ? ຖ້າ ສປປລາວເອງບໍຣິສຸດ
ເວົ້າຄວາມຈິງມາ ຊິໄປຢ້ານຫຍັງ? ຖ້າເອເມຣິໂກຍ ຢາກເບິ່ງບໍ ໃຫ້ໄປເບິ່ງ ເອົາທະຫານນຳພາໄປເບິ່ງເຖິງທີ່?
ຖ້າປິດແດ່ບັງແດ່ ເຊີນເຈົ້າໂລດ "ຕົວຢ່າງ ເຈົ້າຖີ້ມໜັງສືພີມໄວ້ແລ້ວນຶ່ງໃບ ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວມານັ່ງຢູ່ ວໍຊີງຕັນ
ອ່ານໜັງສືພືພີມ ສະບັບນັ້ນໄດ້ ທັ້ງຫມົດແທ້ບໍ?" ຮ່າໆໆ ເຂົາເຮັດໄດ້ແທ້ໆເດີ. ເຂົາຮູ້ແທ້ໆ ແຕ່ວ່າ:
ໃນລະຍະການເມືອງ ຂອງປະເທສລາວເປັນແບບນີ້ແລະ ຈິງໃຈເປີດປະຕູກ້ວາງ ເປັນຫຍັງບໍ່ເປີດໄປໂລດ
ມັນຜິດຫົວໃຜ? ເປີດພໍ ແງມ ແງະ ຄິດວ່າເຂົາບໍ່ຮູ້ຊັ້ນບໍ? (ຈຳໄວ້ໂລດ ອາເມຣິກັນ ເຂົາບໍ່ໄປຍຶດເອົາ ວຽງຈັນ
ມາເປັນ ວໍຊີງຕັນ ເບີສອງດອກ! ຢ່າໄປໂງ່ຫລາຍ) ເຂົາເດ່ມືມາຊ່ວຍຫາແຕ່ຮັບເອົາ ໂລດ ດີກ່ວາ ແມ່ນບໍ່ໂຈ້
ເຂົາມາຊ່ວຍແທ້ໆ ແຕ່ ສປປລາວ ກໍຕ້ອງປ່ຽນໄປນຳ " ຂໍຖາມ ອາຍາອາວ ທະນູໄຊ ວ່າ: ຢ້ານອາເມຣິກັນ
ຊິໄປຢຶດບໍ? ເຮົາບໍ່ມີບໍ່ນຳ້ມັນໃຫ້ເຂົາຢຶດດອກ ເຂົາຢາກປົວບາດແຜສົງຄາມໃຫ້ ຫລືນຳ້ໃຈຂອງພວກເພິ່ນດີ
ຢາກຈະຊ່ວຍ ມັນກະດີ ຕໍ່ຄົນລາວທຸກຄົນຢູ່ແລ້ວ ຢ່າໄປກ້າມໃຫຍ່ຫລາຍ ບາດຊິຕາຍແລ່ນມາຫາເຂົາອີກ
ເຂົາສົມນຳ້ໜ້າເອົາ ມັນອາຍເຂົາອາຍາອາວ ເອີຍ!)
ບ່າວລາວ
cwjmem
Making Padek out of these people? You can get away with the babaric
laws, or Khamtai's decree, but the international laws are just about to
hang Kham Tai and his associates' necks. Look at Sudan, Sadam, and
ex-Yugoslavakia leaders... Lao commie leaders make wrong moves and they
will dig their own graves...
Yong followed his bosses' orders and did his job as a professional liar
so that he could share those foreign donors' economic aid pies.
Oh...wait till they get to CNN news...Your hidden stinking shit in LPDR
pants will explode.
zins...@hotmail.com
that they won't be kept longer than a couple of weeks. thanks to the
NTR with usa.it would not be commerce sense.
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
You got it!
thanouxay
I promise that we are always on top of things... We let those pigeons
in and out four times in order to catch those pigeons red handed so
that they catch the message that one is free in coming in and out of
Laos provide that one respect Lao Laws and regulations... As soon as
one brake the Laws, nobody can help, one would immediately put
her/himself in trouble and can no more claim that it is unfair to be on
the black list...and would only see the beautiful land of Laos from
picture only.
FFC or what so ever, you are not a threat for us but once you committed
crime, you will taste the readiness of our Law enforcement Officers who
would be very courtious but at the same time very firm.
Why to release and deport them so soon??? Just because we will spare
our rice for the Lao needies rather than to feed those
trouble-makers... isn't it right???
Sok dee
l...@laoclub.zzn.com
permission. That is rude, and these four are an example of that. Need I
say more?
cwjmem
our rice for the Lao needies rather than to feed those
trouble-makers... isn't it right???"
You are right Mr. spokesman...
Every grain of rice should go to the Lao people, perhaps the idiots of
few who rule the country. You should let anyone go, but the fact is
fact, nothing can't changed. Otherwise, LPDR is digging their own
graves. Enough evidence, so, those Fact Finding people can summon
their evidence to the UN security concil. And we will see the outcome
of this.
Releasing them, just to save your own faces...nothing more...Not for
good relationship with the US...what a embarrass!
Phainam_Muang
white helicopter flying away on the FFC website! I'm sure Mrs.
Georgie Szendrey (she used to post messages in SCL, by the way)
and her husband will put one up soon and be telling the
audiences, saying something like, "look! see we've been to Laos a
few times and have witnessed the ethnic Hmong cleansing, this is
our latest photo/clips from Laos (June 2, 2005) photos of gas
spraying jet that the commies, you see, we took the photos and
reported of the killings and cleansing that the commie doesn't
people to know; that was the reason why we were detained,
actually we were arrested brutally by force, they detained us
without food and water, they beat us, kicked us, stick a sharp
bamboo rod up our rear ends forcing us to talk, and finally they
deported us; they made us walked barefoot two hundred miles from
detention cell in Vientiane to Friendship Bridge, then they
striped our cloths and made us walked across the bridge in
humiliation, please refer to the article by Reuters in Bangkok,
which reported about our detention on June 6, 2005 for further
evidence." LOL! Coming to the theaters near you!!
Phainam
l...@laoclub.zzn.com
so obsessed with the Hmong, are they the christian group or some sort?
No punch intended, just curious....
Phainam_Muang
>
> That is a good one Phainam. Who are the Szdnesky anyway? Why are they
> so obsessed with the Hmong, are they the christian group or some sort?
> No punch intended, just curious....
I have no idea either, LDR. I only know that Georgie was a
former SCL participant. She used to come here and defend her
FFC.
Phainam
thanouxay
Of course every sentence has JC in her writings.
Sok dee
cwjmem
our rice for the Lao needies rather than to feed those
trouble-makers... isn't it right???
Thanouxay,
So you released 3 because they are so poor and you think the 3 are not
worth eating your gains of rice, while, the other one you think he can
pay for a month of gains to feed your prisonners. That reason, retain
him, charge milllions of kips eh!
If you dare, why don't you hold him in jail and try him. There are
plenty of American Lawyers to defend him. What happen to NTR laws that
you promised American business investment in Laos?
Remember, a small grain can tip of the scale.
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
I hope that you, as the spokesman for the LPDR, mean what you said and
what you said is the official line AND that you will not go back on
your own words (as in your post). Remember that NTR is still looming
somewhere and your very own words may even come back to bite you in
your next visit to the USA!
Sometimes, it makes one wonder if there is any sanity among few people
in Laos! That is a really big wonder after reading your post (as being
the Spokesman for Laos):
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/b1b878abf978ac6e?hl=en
Pao
dougismooth
Without the effort of these four people, the group of these poor-jungle
Hmong
will remain in the dark age. What these four people did was the right
thing.
God bless them!
Dsmooth
Mimo
It is wrong to violate the law of other sovereign country and to promte
disunity among its population.It is wrong if you try to direct
behaviour of my wife in my family affairs.
The four were telling people to stay starving in the jungle and to
sabotage peacefull life of the majority, they frightened the jungle
people that they would be killed if they come out to life with the
majority. These poeple did not come to help Laos as but to serve Fact
Fucking Purpose.
Hamnoi
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
Remember those video that the LPDR is yet to provide eviodence -
because it is just a fabrication. I BET that this 170 people is just
another FABRICATION... I wonder where these FFC manage to get a
170-strong group, including women and children to appear as another
FABRICATION????
Interseting? How about that Laophouane et. al!
Pao
thanouxay
Lao people is matured enough to take care of its own internal affairs.
Only few stupid circles of retarded are still venerating their master
and let thier master to act for and on their behalf. But the only
problem here is that those retarded and their masters forgot that there
is a a legitimate Government in Lao PDR and this Government is seconded
by 5,7 millions multi-ethnic Lao. This is why, nothing would ever go
un-noticed unless it is legal and respect the rules of laws.
By the way, those retarded FFC guys had been hanging around and in and
out for sometime but we never disturbed them unless and untill they
broke our laws and regulations.
Please also note that the 171 people above mentioned are no more and no
less our own citizen. They had been gathering to listen to local
authorities (Muang Phoukout) who will brief them on how to help them to
group their hamlets together to facilitate the work of the authorities
to provide them with social services among other development. It had
been widely reported in the Lao press as attached below... There is
nothing sensational there except those retarded FFCs who attempted to
play smart and heroes by jumping in and claimed that those are the
jungle men in order to extract more money from few outdated people in
the US among the VP group. It was exactly those Phoukouk people who
reported to the authorities to express their anger to see those foreign
playing monkey business... They really deserved what they had been
asking for, ins't it?
Sok dee
Phou Kout people support Govt. development policy
Vientiane Times
Xieng Khuang authorities on June 3 welcomed 171 people who voluntarily
joined the focal development point in Ban Chomthua, Phoukout district.
This is a programme sponsored by the government that aims to alleviate
poverty.
Xieng Khuang Radio reported that as a gesture of appreciation for their
support to the government's policy of alleviating poverty, a welcoming
team, made up of officials from the provincial Labour and Social
Welfare, Health, Lao Women's Union and others, was dispatched to
Phoukout to see what they could do to help them settle in.
It also reported that the provincial authority has provided the new
settlers with polished rice adequate for a month's consumption. In
addition, they have been given other necessary household items such as
mosquito nets.
Speaking to Xieng Khuang Radio, the provincial governor said that to
help the people get resettled as quickly as possible, while waiting for
their first rice harvest, the provincial authority has helped them with
enough rice and foodstuffs. Each family has also received some thirty
corrugated iron roofing sheets.
Of the new comers who have given up unsustainable swidden cultivation,
nine families are from Lao Theung ethnic group, and 81 are women. The
governor has appealed to others to join this poverty reduction effort
by settling in focal development points instead of living dispersedly.
This way allows the government to better use scarce resources for
building infrastructure facilities, and providing services in different
fields, including health and education.
thanouxay
Please read the following new item which had been widely published in
our press. Only retarded people are still running after their Master
and let their Masters to act for and on their behelf.
Souksanh
Souksanh
drsouk
i can send to their kids 100 bicycles! just tell me the adress to send.
"thanouxay" <than...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1118219497....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Phainam_Muang
>
> phainam and ldr,
>
> There will be a book deal for the co-founder of jailed FFC. Similar to
> the Danes. Make a few bucks of the Anti-Vientiane and Anti-Laos
> diaspora groups. Clever White Folks I must say! Profit on the
> disgruntle Lao diaspora groups.
None,
Actually, the founders of Hmong-FFC (there are many Fact Finding
Committee/Commission in the US, some are organized and funded by
US government so lets not confuse readers which is which, and of
course this one is a Hmong FFC) have made a lot of money by
selling their videos of that white chemical spraying helicopter
(I mentioned earlier in my post) hovering away and into hazing
sky (lol! pardon my morning laugh, mentioning the scene of that
white helicopter crank me up every time) to our "disgruntle"
exiled Lao/Hmong mostly Hmong. That's how they managed to finance
their trips to Laos, errr, to video some more white helicopters!
I heard the video almost had some US congressmen fooled, too.
LOL!
Phainam
zins...@hotmail.com
low budget movie trying to enter hollywood
ffc might win the oscar for white smoke effect.
cwjmem
gaonna fool people like us.
cwjmem
What they needs are clothing, cooking pot, clean water and foods first.
Joe Fukawe
Just a couple of question for our benevolent spokeperson.
1. What did the four people did wrong?
2. What LPDR law(s) did they violated to warrant deportation from
Laos?
3. If they did, break law(s) of the land, then how come you don't
throw the book at them? Are your law not sacred enough to detain them?
4. Lastly, what did the fourth person did that's different from the
three that were released and deported? If you're not planning to press
charge(s) then should he be release ASAP also?
Joe
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
------------
Sabaidee Dr. Pao, did you mean this truthful Laophuan?
admitted Doctor...he he he
first of all these couples are local politicians,
in Oroville Ca. They try to do good thing for people
so they can get their names, unfortunately they get
pulled noses by GerVang in the begining, he he he....
They gave satellite phone to Mua Tua Ter, hope when Lao
army getting closer to their camp, he can call in and
the FFC's people in Laos will sneak-in, video tape
the action, after that will cut and paste and fabricated
as usual, but Mua Tua Ter call to tell them that he and
his group will surrender to Lao authority because of
getting tire waiting for the CIA, that why those four
troublemakers rushed to the jungle of Laos and playing
the "good guys" but Lao authority won't buy it...
Wow! i love it when LPDR's on top of the game...
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
zins...@hotmail.com
ຄົນສາມັນ
ຢ່າລືມວ່າມີໜ້າທີ່ເປັນໂຄໂສກກະຊວງການຕ່າງປະເທດມີໜ້າທີ່ຈະຕ້ອງອະທິບາຍນະໂຍບາຍຂອງຣັຖບານຂອງຕົນ
ໃນເມື່ອ-ໂຈ-ແລະທ່ານທະນູໄຊຮ່ວມສົນຖະນານໍາກັນຮ່ວມໂຕະກັນໃນສະພາກາເຟ-SCL-ກໍ່ຍັງຈະຖືຕົນຖືໂຕຢູ່ບໍ່?
ຕາມທີ່ຄວນແລ້ວທ່ານທະນູໄຊຄວນຈະໄຫ້ຄວາມກະຈ່າງແຈ້ງຕາມຄໍາຖາມຂອງ-ໂຈ
ຄົນສາມັນ
none wrote:
> Dude,
>
> Cut that Farang Expats in Thailand demanding attitude and snoberish.
> For you are in no position to demand any question from the busy Mr.
> Spokesman. I am so sick and tire of tire farang expats attitude and
> behavior and now we got a Lao-American G.I. acting like one. You know
> what this is reminds me of, a Lao-American gangbanger preaching me
> about Lao Pride. Ahaha. Just give it a break. I think personally you
> do a better job demanding sex from your whores in Bangkok. Keep in mind
> that not everyone is like a whore in Thai brothel.
>
> SgK
Joe Fukawe
constructively like I did in my earlier post of course.
Zinss...thanks for the explaination, just want to hear it from the
horse's mouth, that's all....
As for Sgk, what you're sick and tire of is no concern of mine, you
have the right to like nor dislike anyone or anything you desire and
there ain't no skin off my back. I treated my whores nicely if I have
one, I don't have demand sex from them either, they freely and happily
service me....And for the record, I haven't even begun to DEMAND
anything yet.
If you want to start a raport then by all mean do so, I take it this is
your way to start a conversation then. You don't even know me, all you
really know is what I perceive you to beleive how I am through my
various topics that I posted in SCL....talk about hook, line and
sinker....for all you know, I am the total opposite of what I portrayed
myself to be in SCL...
And most likely, the answer to all 4 questions above is 'NONE'.
Joe
Hmla...@hotmail.com
Laos is approaching it's real peace time soon. Hope more of these hill
tribe people voluntary to relocate themselves to the plain. And hope
the government treats these people well so more will joint the normal
life as the rest of laotians.
The government ought to watch for people who try to scare away these
isolated, non-educated people.
I personally want to thank the Lao government for their hospitality of
relocating one of my cousin and his family last year peacefully.
HL
Padek
I have to say so far the LPDR handle this issue pretty well. I'd like
to applauded them for that. I think it was very wise moved to ask help
from UN to help these lose jungle folks and Kofi Annen was very please.
Sokdee.
l...@laoclub.zzn.com
in peace, so we can travel to Luang Prabang freely without the fear of
them attacking people. Get them all down to lowland areas, and plant
more trees on all those mountain ranges because I love the scenic along
Route 13 to LP. It's breathtaking. Lao Tourism authority needs to
create scenic view areas where traveler can just park their cars and
take photos.
zins...@hotmail.com
job in informing
the soldier checkpoint in advance.
ffc may have carried out scene 9 for their 2007 blockbuster, starring
mr.ms zedrendrey
co starring the vangs. unfortunately the camera was conviscated so this
scene will have to be re shoot in isarn.
jo you better run up some folks and get them all in hmong gears.
you only need 200 people and somehow contact the actors and actress
Hmla...@hotmail.com
Yes, it is nice to see Laos in peace. By the way, did you meant those
who robbed the bus last year (December 2004) and the year before are
VP's ex-soldiers? Any evidence?
Please share,
HL
l...@laoclub.zzn.com
talking about those who robbed and killed innocent people.
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
FABRICATION!!!
Thanks for the official information which s is coming right out of the
horse mouth, so how can any one NOT believe it.
Thanks again, Thanouxay.
Pao
Joe Fukawe
yeah, I made of flesh and blood just like everyone else that's why I
get so frustrated with people who only have not even half the
information trying to intrepret what they read in the news and the
usual commies tactic of propagandising. What I asked originally wasn't
far fetched, was it?
So my cover works well, my arroganess throw everyone off of whom I
really am, my skin is way thicker than you thought, no you didn't
offended me in anyway. So far, the poor spokeman has been avoiding me,
rightfully so, because there's no rebute in my finding....here's
something for you to contemplate.....today's key word is.....inside
info, ladies and gentlemen....
Joe
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
We could have seen another FABRICATED video, could we?
Remember the killing video of 2004? It is all fabricated, isn't it?
What a real pity.... this time, it could be a real box office buster
FABRICATED video of 171 people emerging from the jungle! I wonder, who
is responsible to assemble the Cast... and what happen to these 171
people... do they get pay for their apprearance, coming from the jungle
with the Chief Police watching... But it was a let down because the
Chief Military Officer and the Vietnamese soldiers were not part of
this cast.
Pao
zins...@hotmail.com
Phi Dung Mo
Thanks for sharing those comments. Too many times we only hear accounts
from the alternate view of the issues. It is good to see someone stepping up
with positive personal accounts as well.
Phi Dung Mo
<Hmla...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118258130.7...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
Times have printed different stories about the 171 people!!
So far the world press around the world has NOT printed one article
about any "...171 people... gathering to listen to local
authorities (Muang Phoukout) who will brief them on how to help them to
group their hamlets together to facilitate the work of the authorities
to provide them with social services among other development..."
NO Foreign Press has picked up the story that Mr LPDR Spokesman
(Thanouxay alias Yong Chantharangsy) claimed to be " widely reported in
the Lao press" as he provided!.
Even the UN General Sceretary has not refer to this normal gathering
"to listen to local authorities" at Muang Phoukout.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories-/WO0506/S00096.htm
I think it is about time that our Mr LPDR Spokesman needs to come CLEAN
on this News report.
FACT should be FACT, as I remember Mr Spokesman has emphasised in this
forum few days ago.
Pao
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http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2005/06/08/2003258433
Laos deports pro-Hmong activists
AFP , HANOI
Wednesday, Jun 08, 2005,Page 4
Advertising Laotian authorities have deported three of four US
nationals arrested after the surrender of around 170 relatives of
ethnic Hmong rebels, a government spokesman and the US embassy in Laos
said yesterday.
"Three of them have been set free. They were handed over on Monday to
the American embassy and immediately taken to the border with
Thailand," Laotian Foreign Ministry spokesman Yong Chantalangsy said.
The four arrested were Georgie and Ed Szendrey from California and two
Hmong-Americans, Nhia Vang Yang and Sia Cher Vang, all members of the
Fact Finding Commission (FFC), a US-based organization backing the
Hmong rebels.
The Szendreys and Nhia were deported. The fourth US national, Sia, was
a businessman based in Laos and was still being questioned,
Chantalangsy said.
"He had arranged the others' visit and we want to question him
further," he said.
The four said they witnessed the surrender on Saturday of the 170
ethnic Hmong, apparently mostly women and children.
Laos does not acknowledge the existence of the rebels, who were allied
with the US during the Vietnam War three decades ago and have until
recently fought a low-level, ineffective insurgency.
Ed and Georgie Szendrey of Oroville, California, stand with a copy of a
Time magazine article about the Hmong ethnic hilltribe in Laos, in this
August 2003 photo taken in Bangkok, Thailand.
PHOTO: AP
US-based exile groups, including the FFC, have accused the Laotian
authorities of trying to chase and kill the last Hmong rebels. The
government has vehemently denied the charges.
US ambassador to Laos Patricia Haslach was called to the foreign
ministry on Monday to discuss the actions of the arrested US nationals.
The Laotian government said after the arrests that it was "very unhappy
that the US citizens came to Laos in order to spread calumnies about
the government and manipulate information."
The US embassy in the Laotian capital Vientiane yesterday said the four
"were detained while observing the resettlement of several groups of
Hmong villagers from the forests" in Xieng Khuang province.
Laotian officials had said the last American in custody, Sia, would be
released shortly.
According to several foreign observers in Laos, the Hmong who
surrendered on Saturday had been well treated by the authorities.
(This story has been viewed 291 times. )
thanouxay
Very funny. Now we can expect to see FFC coming back again with white
helicopter etc...
At least FFC will know that they can come to Laos and we did let them
in as soon as they play the Rules of Laws... But as soon as they try to
play smart by trying to distort reality, next time Szendrey will taste
Khouk Khi Kay for sure. And this we agreed with the US embassy that
recidicists will be treated hashly.
Sok dee
cwjmem
Khouk Khi Kay for sure
He he he...Thanouxay.
You are catching the peaceful dove, as you have mentioned it "to bait
for the red one", but you forget to remember that that is even bigger
behind the peaceful dove, the hawk. Wait and see what UN and the US
gonna do if you are holding that American business man.
Remember, NTR appoval has its own string attached.
Now, all freed Americans are in Bangkok giving international press
conference. Nothing you can do about it. The world know your dirty
trick. Released those three AIN"T gonna save your own ASSES.
ຄົນສາມັນ
ຂ້າພະເຈົ້າກໍເປັນຄົນຖືສັນຊາດອະເມຣີກາ-ເຊືອຊາດລາວ-ເມື່ອເຫັນມີເຫດການໆຈັບຄົນສັນຊາດອະເມຣິກາສີ່ຄົນນີ້
ຫຼືພວກ-FFC-ແບບນີ້-ມີການຍືດຟີມຮູບ,-ກອງຖ່າຍຮູບແລະກອງຖ່າຍຮູບວີດີໂອແບບນີ້-ຂ້າພະເຈົ້າກໍຢາກຮູ້ວ່າ
ແມ່ນມີກົດໝາຍອັນໃດ,-ຂໍ້ໃດ,-ໝາດຕຣາໃດທີ່ບົ່ງບອກວ່າຖາຍຮູບຜິທີງານບຸນປະເພນີ-ຫຼືຜິທີງານທາງການ
ຕ່າງໆວ່າຜີດກົດໝາຍ-ເພື່ອວ່າຂ້າພະເຈົ້າຈະບໍ່ໄດ້ກະທໍາຜີດດັ່ງທີ່ເປັນມານີ້ອີກ-ຖ້າຫາກວ່າຂ້າພະເຈົ້າມີໂອກາສ
ໄດ້ເມືອຢາມບ້ານ.
ຮັກແພງ
ຄົນສາມັນ
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
--------------------------
Thanouxay is right cwjmem, those women and children that
come out from the jungle on Saturday are not rebels,
they're seeking help from the government, the real rebels like
Mua Tua Ter and his group with guns/knives/grenades and satellite
phone are still hiding, who know may be those American couples
were upgraded their equipment, like cell phone with video camera,
so they can have live action from Xaysomboune to Oroville California,
for cut and paste and fabricated for sale...
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
ຊາຍງາມ ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ
ບໍ່ມີການເມືອງແລ້ວ ຖ້າມີພິທີແບບນີ້ຄືບໍ່ເອີ້ນນັກເຂົ່າທັງໂລກ ໄປອອກຂ່າວ (ພັດຕຣົງກັນຂ້າມໄປໄລ່ເຂົາອອກ)
ເພື່ອໃຫ້ໂລກຮັບຮູ້ ວ່າປະເທສລາວ ບໍ່ຂ້າບໍ່ແກງ ໃຜແລ້ວ. ເພື່ອໃຫ້ໂລກເຫັນວ່າ ປະເທສລາວ ຈິງໃຈຕໍ່ ປຊ
ລາວທຸກຊົນຊາຕຊົນເຜົ່າ. ມັນດີແລ້ວທີ່ມີ ຄົນເຜົ່າມົ້ງກຸ່ມນີ້ ທີ່ປະລະເຣຶ່ອງອື່ນໆ ຂໍກັບມາເປັນຜົລເມືອງດີ
ຂອງປະເທສ. ປະເທສລາວ ກໍຈະໄດ້ຖືໂອກາດ ໂຄສະນາ ໄປໃນໂຕ. ຕາມທຳມະດາ ຕ້ອງໃຫ້ນັກຂ່າວສາກົນ
ມາຖ່າຍຮູປທຳຂ່າວ ແລ້ວເຈົ້າໜ້າທີ່ ທາງການ ອິດສະຣະ ສປປ ລາວ ກວດເບິ່ງຈຳພວກ ຄົນທີ່ເຂົ້າມາຍອມນີ້ ວ່າ
ເຂົາລັກເອົາ Tank M1A1, F-18, B-2, Long Range Missile ຍັດໃສ່ຖົງໂສ້ງ ຖົງເສື້ອ ມານຳບໍ?
ເອົາສັຕຣູ ມາເປັນມິຕ ມັນດີແລ້ວ ແມ່ນບໍ ທ່ານ ຄໍຂົດ ໂອ໊ຍຫລົງ ທ່ານ ໂຄສົກແຫ່ງ ສປປ ລາວ? ເຮັດ
ມີລັກເຮັດ ລັກໄປ ລັກທຳ ເຂົາຊິໄປເຊື່ອບໍ? ເຂົາແຮ່ງສົງສັຍຢູ່ແລ້ວ? ຖືວ່າອັນນີ້ຄື ບາດກ້າວໃຫມ່
ຂອງພັກແລະລັດ ວ່າຊັ້ນສາ! ໂອ້ຽ! ອາຍາອາວ ຈັ່ງແມ່ນມັນງາມ ເປັນຕາສະອອນແທ້ໆ ຂໍຈົບລົງເທົ່ານີ້ລະ ຂະໜ່ອຍ
ຊາຍງາມ ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
==============================
060905 - California - Oroville couple, now safe in Bangkok, in media
spotlight
http://www.orovillemr.com/Stories/0,1413,157~26686~2911987,00.html
Oroville Mercury Register
Oroville couple, now safe in Bangkok, in media spotlight By TERRY VAU
DELL/MediaNews Group
Thursday, June 09, 2005 -
Ed and Georgie Szendrey of Oroville are now the focus of the
international media after being detained last weekend by the communist
government for "helping facilitate" the surrender of about 170 Hmong
refugees, mostly older men, women and children.
Szendrey said in a telephone call Wednesday from Bangkok that he and
his wife and a U.S. Hmong aide were happy to be released, but feared
for a fourth member of their group, a Laotian Hmong businessman who
remains in communist hands.
Szendrey said he is hopeful the United Nations will be allowed to
monitor the anticipated surrender of as many as 17,000 more refugees
who the Szendreys say have been staging a desperate struggle for
survival in the jungles and mountains of Laos for three decades.
A retired senior Butte County District Attorney's Office investigator,
Szendrey and his wife had created a "fact-finding commission" calling
for the rescue of ethnic Hmong who had fought on the side of the United
States during the Vietnam War, only to be abandoned to their fate by
Washington after the communist victory.
After receiving satellite phone messages describing the near-
starvation confronting the refugees, the Szendreys said they went to
Washington, D.C. to obtain the support of U.S. congressional leaders
and officials in both the State Department and the U.N. before going to
Laos to oversee the first group to surrender over the weekend.
Although the plan to surrender was voluntary, it was made in
desperation as several pockets of the Hmong, pursued by government
troops, believed they would die if they didn't turn themselves in, said
Szendrey.
He said the band of refugees, some of whom carried signs and white
flags of surrender, met them at a designated spot in central Laos
before daybreak Saturday.
"Most of the children were wounded, some had missing hands, some were
blind in one eye ... It was an excruciating sight," Georgie Szendrey
recalled.
The refugees were fed and treated well by local villagers, but despite
promises that the military would "stand-down," Szendrey said they were
subsequently placed in vehicles and told they were being moved to an
undisclosed location.
"We have had no information since as to what happened to them. We know
the U.N. was ready with food, clothing and medicine but we're unaware
whether the Lao government will allow them full access," noted
Szendrey.
Acting on the advice of U.S. embassy officials, Szendrey's group hopped
a public transport bus and was about 1.5 hours from the Thai border
when they were stopped at a military checkpoint.
Their belongings including cameras and film were confiscated and held
in an immigration office in the capital of Vientiane, where they were
interrogated for two days.
Szendrey categorically denied government claims that before they were
deported to Thailand on Monday, the American group confessed to
illegally meddling in internal Laotian politics.
"We were up front with them ... We told them we brought some food and
baby clothes for the Hmong coming from the jungle," said Szendrey.
"We were working closely with the State Department and the U.N. and had
even notified the Lao government of our plans to facilitate this
surrender ... We committed no crimes and were never charged with any
offenses," added the Oroville investigator.
Szendrey said he was asked to sign a paper in the Laotian language that
he believed was some sort of confession.
"I refused," he said, adding the atmosphere improved Sunday when a
general, whom he was told was the minister in charge of national
security, came to talk to them.
The general told them they needed a special visa to engage in such
activities. The Americans entered the country on tourist visas.
Szendrey credited the U.S. embassy officials in Laos for helping to
obtain their release.
Although their translator American Hmong Nhiazang Yang was deported
with the Oroville couple, the man they hired to transport them to the
surrender site, Sia Cher Vang, continued to be held for questioning. He
has been identified as a U.S. national of Hmong origin who did business
in Laos.
Media coverage of the Laotian refugees has exploded since the American
group's detention.
News agencies from as far away as India have carried the story. It was
also being reported by communist-controlled newspapers in Laos and
Vietnam, though with a far different spin.
The Americans were accused by the Laotian press of having "interfered
in the internal affairs of Laos, causing social disruption and creating
misunderstanding between the authority and people."
They were also alleged to have "misled and obstructed local people's
efforts to implement the government's poverty reduction plan."
"We are trying to regroup all the hamlets into bigger villages so we
can help supply them with social services like drinking water and
electricity," one Laotian official was quoted as saying.
Another charged "the publicity campaign about the so-called surrender"
was engineered by former Hmong leader Vang Pao, who now lives in the
United States.
The communist officials said it was decided after speaking to the U.S.
Ambassador to Laos to deport "these bad elements" in the interest of
good relations with the United States.
Speaking from the safety of their Bangkok hotel room Wednesday,
Szendrey and his wife said that while they had some anxious moments,
they were not mistreated.
"My great regret is that we now don't have the videotapes showing the
desperate conditions of these people," said Szendrey.
"We had the evidence, we saw them. We saw older people being carried on
the backs of others. We saw little children, we saw their tattered
conditions, we saw how scared they were," he said. "This was not some
village of people just moving from one place to another."
The Oroville couple said they were buoyed by the amount of news
coverage the situation has received since their detention by the
communists.
"The Lao government made one big mistake by detaining us now the world
knows what is happening in that country," observed Ed Szendrey.
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Phi Dung Mo
Thanouxay did not say this was a gathering of people to listen to
anything. That may be what you led your mind to think but it is not what
Thanouxay stated. Did all of these papers have representatives present in
Laos, or are they reporting what they have been told by the FFC gang? Try to
be a little smarter Dr. Pao.
55555, I should have looked further.
What does this state Dr. Pao? Precisely what Thanouxay stated,
resettlement of minorities from widely distributed remote villages. It is in
the article you quoted below and it is even credited to the US Embassy, now
it must be true. Need to get your eyes checked as well Dr. Pao?
> The US embassy in the Laotian capital Vientiane yesterday said the four
> "were detained while observing the resettlement of several groups of
> Hmong villagers from the forests" in Xieng Khuang province.
Phi Dung Mo
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Joe Fukawe
to Laos since I left many moons ago. Everything I said up to this
point is based on groundless unconfirmed dream up information by me.
You've seen nothing yet, but heard plenty...I'm sure.
By the way, the four people hasn't break any US law either....in fact,
they did what most of us would like to do....
Joe
Joe Fukawe
about it. I am very anxious to see something.
That's 'ABSOLUTELY' right on there, I was just going about on my own
way asking the MOFO spokeperson about the four people that was detained
and later 3 released when all of the sudden, a dog with no name came
barking at me....My first instinct was to ignore it but then I said to
myself, "well, even a dog has its day and any dog that can come to SCL
and bark deserve some attention." so I response to the bark and it has
led us to here and now.
For the record, I don't condone violent act of any form...
Let's get back to the subject of this thread, what US Law has the four
people break? Just like the Lao Law, they haven't break any for your
information, if you think otherwise, please state your finding.
Joe
PS. Do you know what the acronym GI stands for?
Phainam_Muang
>
> But all these Newspaper from Hanoi, Bangkok, Sydney and even Taipei
> Times have printed different stories about the 171 people!!
No, these couch potato, behind the desk, inside 5x5 cubicle,
(however you would like to regard them) journalists; these
"internet" as I like to call them, journalists did not print
different stories from different sources, from their own sources
I must add. In fact they all printed the same and similar story
using cut/copy/paste technique from one another. None of them
even bother to check for the original sources. None had their
representatives on the field/scene where action occur, none had
no idea what they were written about. They simply blindly
followed Reuters who first put out the story by copying it off
the internet. Do you notice the similarity of phrases, lines,
paragraphs among those articles, Dr. Pao? That means they
cut/paste from one another. And that means they don't add no
creditability to the story. No, they don't...
Phainam
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
PLease RE_READ Thanouxay post. YOU need a BIGGER eyes to read
Thanouxay's post!!!:
THanouxay explicitly siad that:
"....Please also note that the 171 people above mentioned are no more
and no
less our own citizen. They had been gathering to listen to local
authorities (Muang Phoukout) who will brief them on how to help them to
group their hamlets together to facilitate the work of the authorities
to provide them with social services among other development. It had
been widely reported in the Lao press as attached below... There is
nothing sensational there except those retarded FFCs who attempted to
play smart and heroes by jumping in and claimed that those are the
jungle men in order to extract more money from few outdated people in
the US among the VP group. It was exactly those Phoukouk people who
reported to the authorities to express their anger to see those foreign
playing monkey business... They really deserved what they had been
asking for, ins't it? ...."
(See full post below).
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/945ba93bb01320f1?hl=en
thanouxay Jun 8, 4:23 am
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Dr. Pao,
Lao people is matured enough to take care of its own internal affairs.
Only few stupid circles of retarded are still venerating their master
and let thier master to act for and on their behalf. But the only
problem here is that those retarded and their masters forgot that there
is a a legitimate Government in Lao PDR and this Government is seconded
by 5,7 millions multi-ethnic Lao. This is why, nothing would ever go
un-noticed unless it is legal and respect the rules of laws.
By the way, those retarded FFC guys had been hanging around and in and
out for sometime but we never disturbed them unless and untill they
broke our laws and regulations.
Please also note that the 171 people above mentioned are no more and no
less our own citizen. They had been gathering to listen to local
authorities (Muang Phoukout) who will brief them on how to help them to
group their hamlets together to facilitate the work of the authorities
to provide them with social services among other development. It had
been widely reported in the Lao press as attached below... There is
nothing sensational there except those retarded FFCs who attempted to
play smart and heroes by jumping in and claimed that those are the
jungle men in order to extract more money from few outdated people in
the US among the VP group. It was exactly those Phoukouk people who
reported to the authorities to express their anger to see those foreign
playing monkey business... They really deserved what they had been
asking for, ins't it?
Sok dee
Phou Kout people support Govt. development policy
Vientiane Times
Xieng Khuang authorities on June 3 welcomed 171 people who voluntarily
joined the focal development point in Ban Chomthua, Phoukout district.
This is a programme sponsored by the government that aims to alleviate
poverty.
Xieng Khuang Radio reported that as a gesture of appreciation for their
support to the government's policy of alleviating poverty, a welcoming
team, made up of officials from the provincial Labour and Social
Welfare, Health, Lao Women's Union and others, was dispatched to
Phoukout to see what they could do to help them settle in.
It also reported that the provincial authority has provided the new
settlers with polished rice adequate for a month's consumption. In
addition, they have been given other necessary household items such as
mosquito nets.
Speaking to Xieng Khuang Radio, the provincial governor said that to
help the people get resettled as quickly as possible, while waiting for
their first rice harvest, the provincial authority has helped them with
enough rice and foodstuffs. Each family has also received some thirty
corrugated iron roofing sheets.
Of the new comers who have given up unsustainable swidden cultivation,
nine families are from Lao Theung ethnic group, and 81 are women. The
governor has appealed to others to join this poverty reduction effort
by settling in focal development points instead of living dispersedly.
This way allows the government to better use scarce resources for
building infrastructure facilities, and providing services in different
fields, including health and education.
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
their REPUTATION by printing something untrue. Any of those Newspaper
can be sued!
So far, I have not seen any formal PROTEST from Thanouxay and his boss
about the stories in those World Presss. In addition,
Phainam... just let your neurons tick for a seconds if you can
understand why the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan even bother to put
out a Press Release about the 171 people?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0506/S00096.htm
THanopuxay said that "Lao people is matured enough to take care of its
own internal affairs. Only few stupid circles of retarded are still
venerating their master and let thier master to act for and on their
behalf."
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/945ba93bb01320f1?hl=en
I wonder, Phainam, which group do you really belong to?
Pao
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
Let Thanouxay shows us those confiscated pictures and video...
Do you think... they would be GOOD FABRICATED materials... YOU BET.
So... stop being a fool if you don't know what you are talking about.
Pao
Phi Dung Mo
re-read the Vientiane Times story you so graciously re-posted and use a
BIGGER brain to assess what was both stated and meant. Does it state
anything about a meeting? However since you seem to be unreasonably fixated
on Thanouxay's use of the word "meeting", maybe you should look it up in a
dictionary and even search for all possible usage of the word. If you run
into a friend on the street while shopping, is this not a meeting? Did it
require that you have some predefined agenda or topic for conversation, no
it was just a meeting. So a meeting is not necessarily only as you are
trying to use it for your own personal and biased meaning. Thanouxay's words
were less than optimal but they were not erroneous, nor did they necessarily
mean what you are trying to say they meant.
Since you seem to think Thanouxay mean something that only you seem to think
he meant, why would he also post the Vientiane Times article that would
contradict his very words if his meaning was as you have stated? It refers
to the group as the "new Settlers". It also further states that they were
all supplied with rice, mosquito nets, roofing sheets, other essentials and
that further meetings were arranged with other suitable representatives to
aid their resettlement over the short term. So is this group resettled or
just meeting about it for some future plan? As usual you're showing either
your biased opinion or you own lack of English comprehension. So who needs
to use some bigger eyes?
Do you think that taking into account all the published accounts of this
event, the local authorities did not "meet" or "brief" the group on what the
process should be or how the government was going to help them? So the
Vientiane Times story and even Thanouxay's words are correct and accurate
until you tried to read into them things which were not stated.
As for your comments to Phainam about the papers or reporters writing
stories about these affairs, you are really being stupid if you think that
any of them actually had reporters in Laos or that they checked sources
above and beyond what they were told through the FFC group or other
reporters stories. What are you going to sue them for, filling your head
with biased and one sided news accounts? What compensation is due for that?
We should all get on the bread line then because they do this day in and day
out. The only ones that could possibly sue would be someone maligned by such
an unconfirmed story, no one harmed, no one can sue! Check it out with a
lawyer, go ahead.
Phi Dung Mo
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Phi Dung Mo
You had better check on your own sources. Check on your story from your
scoop source. There was no UN press release from Koffi Annan on the Laos
subject as you and they are reporting. Check it out and then maybe you
should sue them.
There were comments from one of Koffi Annan's underlings but it occurred
June 7th and it was not an official press release from the UN and cannot
claim to be quoting Koffi Annan. So there you go , sue The Scoop, get
yourself some hot cash.
Phi Dung Mo
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Phi Dung Mo
I almost let you sidestepped the best one.
So is the US Embassy lying Dr. Pao?
If they are stating the same thing as Thanouxay then how can you
question Thanouxay's words?
Phi Dung Mo
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ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ
http://www.samneua.tvlaos.com/song/jaokalao.mp3
Thank you very much
Phoubaolao
paxas...@yahoo.com
That is a good one 55555555555555 .
Hakpheng .
Paxasonlao4life .
ຜູ່ບ່າວລາວ
It is good one, Isn't it?
Many thanks
Phoubaolao
Joe Fukawe
Thanks for the info and I am well aware of the US law however, what
these four did are no where near infringing on the US law or Lao law
for that matters.
There's nothing wrong with providing them humanitary support,
subsistence and shelter (in this day and age though, if you were to
support a "known terrorist", then it's another animal entirely), as
long as one don't cross the line and supplying arms or take up arms
against a sovereign nation then one as an American citizen is free to
do so, under the US law of course, other nations' law could be infringe
upon though, only if that government is smart enough to make an example
out of you....And in this case, the deaf is leading the blind so once
again, your benevolent commie leader stumble and loose face terribly on
the issue at hands.
The fourth person was released...apparently, with NT2, WTO, NTR and
etc....we finally see the LPDR softened its hardline commie
stance....profound effect it has when a bait is hanging on the end of
the line (that's what and how master Yoda would've said it...) the
dark side is slowly loosing its strenght....
Joe
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
I did conversation with Mr. Phannouvong, he own gas station in
"Khetphiset" the same village of those victims.
He told me those 4 kids are resident of Saysomboune village, they went
to their garden "Hai", near the mountain, at that time Chaofa group's
already inside their garden looking for something to eat, when those
kids get to their hut, hungry group of Chaofa surprised them, asking
for cooked rice by gunpoint, the boy scared and run, they shot the boy
first and then those girls, no evident of rape, the killing was a
simply prevent those kids telling Lao authority.
But Chaofa or Lao army or who what so ever that shot
those kids, deseved burning in hell...
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
About UN Seceratary-General announcement... this is the OFFICIAL UN
link for you:
http://www.un.org/News/ossg/sg/index.shtml
"Secretary-General Welcomes Reports on Treatment of Hmong
7 June -- Secretary-General Kofi Annan welcomes the reports received of
the humane treatment extended to the group of 171 men, women and
children from ethnic minorities, including Hmong, who have come out
from remote areas of the Xaysomboune Special Zone in Lao PDR early on
Saturday morning..."
http://www.un.org/News/ossg/sg/index.shtml
Pao
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
The writing is on the board, as it is now.
Take it or leave it! Either way, I have no problem at all.
As Thanouxay once said, FACT is FACT.
Pao
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
Here is the correct link to the UN Secretary General Press Release
about the 171 Hmong:
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2005/sgsm9916.doc.htm
Pao
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
Pao
======================
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2005/sgsm9916.doc.htm
07/06/2005
Press Release
SG/SM/9916
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SECRETARY-GENERAL OFFERS UN ASSISTANCE TO LAO GOVERNMENT
FOR RECENTLY RETURNED GROUP OF HMONG
The following statement was issued today by the Spokesman for UN
Secretary-General Kofi Annan:
The Secretary-General welcomes the reports received of the humane
treatment extended to the group of 171 men, women and children from
ethnic minorities, including Hmong, who have come out from remote areas
of the Xaysomboune Special Zone in Lao People's Democratic Republic
early on Saturday morning. He urges the Lao Government to continue to
provide the necessary assistance to the Hmong should a larger number
come out of the jungle in the days ahead. The Secretary-General also
reiterates the readiness of the United Nations to provide every kind of
humanitarian assistance to such groups that the Lao Government may
request.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2005/sgsm9916.doc.htm
============================
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
more interesting than your version, Laophiouane.
But the true version of the killing video of those 4 kids is being
covered up quite well.
But Laophouane, I seemed to remember vividly that the fabricated video
and killing did not happen in Laos as per Mr. Spokesman (I might have
to dig out the FACT later...). So, if it was not happening in Laos, it
is IMPOSSIBLE that your version (Laophouane version) has any validity
because you are talking about some Lao citizen from the Saysomboun
village who got killed!!!
Pao
Phi Dung Mo
That is not a press release, nor is it the source of the article on
scoop. It doesn't contain even 1/4 of the comments in the Scoop article. Try
again!
Phi Dung Mo
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Phi Dung Mo
You have found what is undoubtedly the source used in the Scoop article.
Now what is wrong? Does the Scoop article contain this text and only this
text from the UN Press Release? Was this press release released by Koffi
Annan? Does it contain quotes from Koffi Annan? Was it released June 7th or
June 8th? Where did all of those extra comments and details come from in the
supposed Scoop UN release?
The Scoop article is basically a complete sham, it is not a UN press
release, it is an independently written article that loosely and
inaccurately presents itself as a real UN press release. So who wrote it?
Who are you going to sue Dr. Pao?
So, what comment do you have now about the veracity of press articles
and their sources now?
Phi Dung Mo
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ຊູຊີຫີນະແບບບໍ່ເຂົ້າເຣືອງຊື່ໆດອກ
ຮັກແພງ
ຄົນສາມັນ
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
I have no more comment at this moment.
Pao
thanouxay
We all know that Dr. Pao would be very selective in his reference. He
would omit whatever unfavorable for Vang Pao such as the following
article which clearly showed that the Szendrey work for VP and
supported indirectly by C..:
Please read this article by Richard Ehrlich:
Southeast Asia
Jun 14, 2005
A slap for helping the Hmong
By Richard S Ehrlich
BANGKOK - American Ed Szendrey claims a former Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA)-backed Laotian general helped finance his trip into
communist Laos, which ended in expulsion last week because Szendrey
bought illegal satellite telephones for Hmong rebels, set up a
"communications network", and aided their movement.
Szendrey, a former US Navy veteran who served in the Gulf of Tonkin at
the start of the Vietnam War, said he negotiated the "surrender" of 173
minority ethnic Hmong on June 4, and hoped to arrange future deals for
thousands of other Hmong who are led by armed fighters. "We have never
supported a military solution," Szendrey, 62, said in an interview.
Laotian officials expelled Szendrey and his wife, Georgie, on June 6
after interrogating the activist couple who live in Chico, California.
Before arriving in Laos on June 3, Szendrey met US State Department
"Laos desk" officials in Washington along with Vang Pao, a notorious,
former CIA-backed Laotian general.
Szendrey said he went with Vang Pao to the State Department to explain
the Hmong's plight and to ask for help in getting their story to the
United Nations.
Vang Pao was named "a despotic warlord" in Alfred McCoy's respected
book The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia for allegedly smuggling
opium on the CIA's Air America and operating a heroin factory in Long
Tieng, Laos, during the late 1960s and early 1970s - while commanding
the CIA's so-called Secret Army against Laotian and Vietnamese
communists in Laos during the Vietnam War.
Much of Vang Pao's heroin was probably "for [American] GI addicts in
Vietnam," McCoy wrote.
After years of massive aerial bombardment of tiny, landlocked Laos, the
US lost the war in Vietnam in 1975 , and communist Pathet Lao forces
seized power. Many of Vang Pao's CIA-trained Hmong mercenaries,
however, fled into the hills, where they dwindled due to injuries,
malnutrition, disease and neglect.
Laos currently suffers occasional deadly bombings of its markets,
buses, bridges, government outposts and other soft targets, which it
blames on right-wing "bad elements" and "exiled Lao reactionaries" in
the US, France, Australia, Thailand and elsewhere.
Concerned about the alleged "persecution" of Hmong who refuse to
surrender, Szendrey created a fact-finding commission that includes a
website, and he has visited Laos several times. He also boosts that
Vang Pao, who is based in California, is the Hmong's best leader.
"As the one who was involved with the US government, was involved with
the development of the CIA army, was the person who was the go-between,
he [Vang Pao] is looked up to by the majority of the Hmong community,"
Szendrey said. "He is the individual that should be the one that can
represent them, and communicate for them, to the world."
Vang Pao helped finance Szendrey's ill-fated trip this month.
"I know that he has helped raise money; for instance, when we take a
trip like this, the funding becomes available, and we understand it
comes from a variety of Hmong," Szendrey said. "It's good. My only
hesitancy is that when I say that, we have [people reacting]: 'Oh, this
is a Vang Pao thing.' No, we do not work for General Vang Pao."
"We do have people who are followers of his, and organizations who are
followers of his, who have financially supported us," Szendrey added.
Laotian security officials expelled the Szendreys after they
deceptively entered the country on tourist visas. "We were not there on
vacation," Szendrey said. "They charged us with having interfered with
their rural village relocation program. That was the offence they
deported us on."
Szendrey said he met 173 unarmed Hmong women, children and elderly men
on June 4 on a country road, to ensure their "surrender" would be
peaceful. No Hmong fighters surrendered at the site in the Xaysomboun
Special Zone, which is off-limits to foreigners.
Future "surrenders" could include up to 17,000 Hmong who are hiding in
about 20 scattered clusters, each led by two or three armed leaders,
Szendrey said. But those 50 or 60 leaders will probably never
surrender, he added. "They probably have already been tried and
convicted," in absentia, by the Laotian government for treason, armed
rebellion and related crimes, and would likely face imprisonment or
execution.
Laotian officials detained the Szendreys on June 4 and interrogated
them after the Hmong gathering. The security forces were especially
angry about Szendry's earlier role in providing illegal satellite
phones to Hmong fugitives.
"Over the last four years, we have established a communications network
in which they do have [satellite] telephones up in the jungle,"
Szendrey said. "We helped with the purchase" of the satellite phones.
"We don't know physically how those actually got to them," he said. "I
think the total we got in was four or five" satellite phones.
"On Saturday night, when they [Laotian interrogators] started zeroing
in, that's the questions they wanted to know. How these people got the
phones. They wanted to know how our communications, how our satellite
phones, got to them, and how we had our communications system going."
The interrogation ended in havoc. "I kind of almost made a mistake that
was turned [around]. I said, 'Yeah, we encouraged getting the phones in
there'... and they were turning that into a serious confession,"
Szendrey said. "I said, 'We did not smuggle the phones in, we have no
personal knowledge of actually how they got from the borders to these
people'."
Szendrey did not tell his interrogators that he paid for the satellite
phones. "No, no, we 'encouraged' getting the phones in there," he told
Laotian officials. "It finally ended when I demanded to see the
[American] Embassy, and refused to sign the paper."
The unsigned confession, written by Laotian authorities, listed
Szendrey's support for the Hmong, and described "our contacts with
them, that they had satellite phones and how they were used, what were
the goals of our organization, things like this".
The Szendreys entered Laos on June 3, went north to meet the Hmong the
next day and were seized by security forces several hours later. The
Szendreys were expelled to Thailand on June 6 and flew home from
Bangkok on Friday.
Richard S Ehrlich is a Bangkok-based journalist from San Francisco,
California. He has reported news from Asia since 1978 and is co-author
of Hello My Big Big Honey!, a non-fiction book of investigative
journalism. He received a master's degree from Columbia University's
Graduate School of Journalism.
(Copyright 2005 Richard S Ehrlich.)
drpa...@dex.hmoob.net
You are too far behind... my friend.
The article you posted has been thrashed around since June 13th!.
so... you are 3 days behind! and 35 posts to catch up!
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/fe788795e173c079?hl=en
But regardless how selective I can be, the case of 171 people is
crystal clear.
Pao
Phi Dung Mo
Where did they surrender, in Xieng Khuang or Xaysomboun Special Zone?
Various news articles state either, so how can one put 100% faith in any of
the accounts. Have you sued any of these news sources or reporters over
these inaccuracies yet?
Phi Dung Mo
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As I have posted in other thread that, ".... Although many groups had
come out of the jungle in the recent past, the 171 people event can be
viewed as the ONE positive step toward a peaceful solution to the
jungle people. The LPDR had received them well, in the presence of
four Americans - this is something that the LPDR should be proud of it
and the LPDR should use the presence
of eye witness and the wide media coverage to prepare for the next
group that are ready to come out.
>From my unconfirmed report, the 171 may have been part of the group
that visited by the BBC team, in the Borikhamxay province. If this is
the group... then this is a large group of some 7000+ people as at the
early part of 2004.
Where to from here?
We should encorage the LPDR to accept the readiness of the UN to
assist.
It is of NO big deal to stand up and say that..."Yeah... we have the
jungle people". If the LPDR did say that, the whole world would come
to their help right away. It just take big people to stand up and admit
that.
It is about time that the issue of the jungle people should be
resolved. Now it is the time to do it as the international communies
are ready to assist.
Pao
Phi Dung Mo
I don't have any issue with your comments below. I only have issue when
you seem to twist words and comments into only one limited perspective that
suits your own purpose. As I have tried to show you over the words you
quoted from Thanouxay. Be a little more open-minded and consider all of the
possible meanings of the words, not just those meanings that you want to
hear.
As well, do I have to tell you to be a little forgiving on peoples
precise choice of English language in this forum? Sometimes I cannot even
begin to understand what some posters are trying to say in English and it is
my native language. Is it any reason to get hung up on their language
skills? Searching for their intended meaning is sufficient when the meaning
is not precisely conveyed through impeccable use of the English language.
I cringe, slightly, when you talk of the international assistance. Most
governments have issue with turning over their internal affairs to
outsiders, it is not unique to Laos, communist nor rebel states. You lose
some control each and every time, next thing you know those external forces
are trying to impress their political, religious or other agendas. If they
cannot do it directly then they recruit impressionable locals to promote
their agenda. Happens every time, just think of relatively recent Lao
history. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to re-live it.
Phi Dung Mo
P.S. Zinssaii was asking when SCL started in another thread. It was 1996
wasn't it? I know you were involved.
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Instead of bringing more Hmong people from the jungle to join the
government, I believe they will push more Hmongs back to the jungle. I
do not believe that LPDR can set a point to end this problem.
I believe somewhere down the road, there will another government stands
side by side with them. Let wait and see. Even 30 more years, the
concept still possible.
Fajkhaum