How the King of Laos was arrested and executed
Aryalath Aaosavanh
In his writing posted by paxas...@yahoo.com, Mr. Hiem Phommachanh,
reiterated the Lao communist official version of on how the last King
of Laos was arrested. Shame to him by spreading lies.
How his Excellency Sisavaong Vathana, the last King of Laos was
arrested and executed? This is the question of all native Laotians
should ask and get a rational answer to this. I will tell you the real
communist information on why, how he had been arrested and executed,
and then what was, is the communist official words about the last of
Laos fate.
In the early day of Kaysone rising in the Lao communist party with
general Nyuen Hoa 50,000 Viets troop in his side, his first priority
was to:
1. The King abdication from the Throne,
2. Arrest him
3. Exterminate the whole Royal family.
During his revolutionary activist era, he admired reading on how Lenin
chased and exterminated the Russian Tsar and his family. But Kaysone
planned to be a better Lenin executor on how to make the Royal family
disappear with what he called himself: “The sweet bullet”,
because there was a difference between Lenin and himself; Lenin was
100% Russian, and Kaysone was 100%. So killing the King the way that
Lenin did for the Tsar was not appropriated for Kaysone.
After his victory in 1975, with the help of general Nyuen Hoa 50,000
Viets troop, his first priority was executing his 3-steps plan to
exterminate the Royal family. He called his polibureau (the 9 people).
He got what he want, unanimous approval for step-1 of his plan:
Peacefully dethroning the King. Using Chao Souvana Phouma (who had
well served Kaysone to help execute the Last King of Laos) as
messenger between Vientiane Luang prabang, pressures were mounting on
the King who finally, had no choice than his voluntary abdication from
the Throne.
Few months following the King now become a simple Lao citizen, Kaysone
executed his 2nd plan step: arrest the King. To do this, Kaysone need
approval from his polibureau(Koom kanh muong), as a manner of routine
in communist regime, including the No 3 Souphanouvong who expect
everything and could adjust to everything as revolutionary agenda as
possible, BUT NOT ARRESTING THE KING of Laos. Kaysone got an 8/9 vote
without Souphanouvong, but he was not worry, because he got what he
wants to get.
Kaysone, as a maniac smart, a Viet sweet bullet expert, he need more
than the polibureau vote to arrest the King, he need evidence of
TRAITOR against the King. He assigned the Lao KGB to fabricate this
evidence, he need more than fabricate it, he need rubber stamp it, in
addition. So the highest-ranking communist official should be called
from Luang prabang in person to testify against the King to rubber
stamp the fabricated evidence. But Kaysone had a small problem with
this, the highest official ranking at that time was Vongphet, the
chairman (Chao Khouang) LuangPrabang, and who was a Lao-Hmong. Kaysone
can’t trust him, Kaysone want the vice-chairman of LuangPrabang
who was a Lao-Lum and a Kaysone trusted servant. So Kaysone assigned
an out town official duty to Vongphet to justify calling the
vice-chairman. As planned,the vice-chairman was called to come to
Vientiane for rubber stamp Kaysone’s evidence against the King.
It was done as Kaysone planned: evidence was rubber stamped that
everything was truth, nothing, but the truth and only the truth as
written in the evidence paper.
Now Kaysone got what he want to get, plan step 2 was guarantee with
his sweet bullet with no violence, with his Viets descendent maniac
tactic. The King life was between Kaysone, a 100% Viet, hand, and was
counted down day by day. Kaysone could wait, he had no reason to rush,
and his KGB had already surrounded the Royal Palace.
Some how the secret leaked, those whose stayed loyal to the King saw
the end of his life, attempted to organized a commando rescue mission
to save the King. Several dozen of Lao Hmong volunteer peasants were
part of the commando, with coordination from the Royal Palace, and
around town. The ZERO time was set to 6:00am where the King supposed
to be recued from his Palace. Most of the peasants didn’t have
weapons, so the armory reserved was secretly contacted and was open so
these commando can reach the armory before heading to the Royal
Palace, hours before ZERO time. Unfortunately for the King, the bus
from town to load the hundred peasants had flat tire, no spear tire,
the group was obligate to walk around 3 km toward town and the armory
arsenal. That cause delay, the armory open was discovered by
communists force; there was clashed between the few armed rescue
commando force and communists force; one commando was arrested. Under
communist deadly torture, he confessed that his mission was to rescue
the King.
The news reached Vientiane, they were bad news for Kaysone, he could
no longer wait, he rushed Chao Souvana Phounan, again, to Louang
Prabang to convince the King to be relocated. “They (the
communists) won’t hurt you, your excellency, you are not safe
any more here, they want you to be safe in a place where "sattue"
cannot reached you, Xiengxay was the only place and the best
place”, Souvana Phouma added. By being in constantly under
pressure by Kaysone, the King bought the Kaysone sweet bullet from the
mouth of Chao Souvana Phouma. Finally, after getting assurance from
Souvana Phouma, the King agreed to be relocated. Returning to
Vientiane, Souvana Phouma report to Kaysone on his successful mission.
Kaysone, delighted, and made a list of who should be relocated with
the King, the list included:
1. The King,
2. The Queen,
3. The King’s brother, Chao Keur,
4. The Crown prince, Chao Fasayvong Savang,
5. The King 2 crown nephew.
The following day, Kaysone air plane landed at LuangPrabang, the King
was boarded where was the last day for the Kingdom of Million
Elephants, exterminated by a Viet born, disguised in lao. Quick after
the plane was landed in Xiengxay, the King and the crown were take
away and were executed right away, shot dead in the head. That was
better than Lenin, Kaysone maniac tactic sweet bullet worked
perfectly. That was the end of 1000 years of The Lanxang Kingdom.
This was the truth story of the legacy the last King of Laos, the
Kingdom of Million Elephants, exterminated by a 100% Viets born.
How Kaysone paint the King’s arrest and his dead to the Lao
Nation and the Lao people?
The King was associated with Patikan Vang Pao, which was sentence to
dead by the communist regime. This may create insecurity for the
country. Kaysone just want to relocate him to a place where Vang Pao
cannot reach him. The King was relocated because of his fault; this
had nothing to do with Kaysone Nouhak. In regard to his dead, since he
was relocated to the North, there was a lot of mosquitoes which caused
sickness, he was old, so he can’t resist mosquitoes bites, he
passed away by mosquitoes bites sickness. Since his execution to now
everyday, the King assassins tried not only to lie to the Lao people,
including the Royal family exiled in France, they(communists) tried to
blame his dead on his own fault; they blame the end of the last King
of Laos on his own stupidity. So Kaysone sweet bullet worked pretty
well. Why you, authentic Lao, believe such sweet bullet? It’s up
to you and your conscience to judge.
Remark:
In his inter view posted by paxas...@yahoo.com, Mr. Hiem Phommachanh
used the word “cause their arrest”, he went too far from
Kaysone/Nouhak/Khamtay official words. He may get trouble, he should
correct it. The word “arrest” should not be used by a
communist official servant, it should be said,” cause their
relocation”.
Aryalath
lyHoueisoy
Qui tue son roi c'est un NERAKHOUN XAT
Le roi SVVN est le symbole de la nation Lao, Khayson est un Viet pur VIET un
grand traite du royaume LANGXANG du 21 siècle.
"Aryalath Aaosavanh" <arya...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message news:
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Samakhi Bopenphakniyom
> the plane was landed in Xiengxay, the King and the crown were take
> away and were executed right away, shot dead in the head. That was
Prince Aryalath Vang,
I am very sorry to disagreeing with Your Royal Highness, but I am
seeing the photograph of King Sr Savangpao Vatthana and his wife in
the seminar camp. Hence I can not believing Your Royal Highness source
who saying they shot in head right away. May it pleasing Your Royal
Higness.
I am your most humblest servant,
Hakpheng
makmo
>
> Remark:
> In his inter view posted by paxas...@yahoo.com, Mr. Hiem Phommachanh
> used the word “cause their arrest”, he went too far from
> Kaysone/Nouhak/Khamtay official words. He may get trouble, he should
> correct it. The word “arrest” should not be used by a
> communist official servant, it should be said,” cause their
> relocation”.
>
>
>
> Aryalath
I think Mr. Hiem has the right to say what he wants in the land of
free (Thailand) even American politians still made a fool out of
themselves when they speak...
Cheers!
Makmo
Setthathirat
Aryalath,
Your information is very accurate regarding the King and his family.
All I wanted to mention in here is that when the farmers and the
commandos who tried to rescue the king fought the communist army at
Phou Vao where their truck was broken down. They were then discovered
by the communist Viet soldiers. The most amazing thing is that right
now it seems that the Royal Family was brain washed by Khamtay and his
Viet thugs saying that it was not them who killed the king and his
family but rather Vang Pao who had caused the king to be removed to
ViengXay for security reason . Communist Viet is very smart they shift
the blame on Vang Pao.
I bet Laodeng, Samakhi and paxaxonlao will swallow everything which
come out from Viet Houkhee.
Setthathirat
pizone
this board become more and more intesting. be careful with the message
post here. look like there're real "communist SongNok" working in this
board. the below message is well prepared and well manipulated. they
used the same clever tactic to destroy our laoness and lao nation. if
you pay attention to the messages posted by some screen name here, you
see that they're not stupid like their messages appear to be. be more
coutious and learn these people and you see their real inttention.
the following are not truth, but well manipulated:
1. Using Chao Souvana Phouma (who had well served Kaysone to help
execute the Last King of Laos)
2. Xiengxay was the only place and the best place;, Souvana Phouma
added.
(note there's no Xiengxay city, if it's Viengxay, no one would beleive
that Chao Souvanna would said that.)
3. Quick after the plane was landed in Xiengxay, the King and the
crown were take away and were executed right away, shot dead in the
head.
The story is well planed to make it look like killing a king and his
family members are just normal. capture and killing people, even a
normal citizen or human being is a crime. the killer is the murders.
no matter you try to manipulate the truth will come out, and come out
soon. you kaison/nouhak are murders. the only thing i wonder is why,
after just fresh killing lao king and queen, and princes why the
current thai king get out of his kingdom for the first time after some
20 years, and shake hand with the murder kaison/nouhak. this is the
fact. this is the truth. the hate to tell the truth, but because of
the Nang Mo movie or thao souraa naaree issue make me speak up.
viva lao lanexang!
murders go to hell!
hakpheng
pizone
arya...@yahoo.com (Aryalath Aaosavanh) wrote in message news:<77ca1935.01072...@posting.google.com>...
AKM 74
I think what the Ambassador was trying to say is that the King was betrayed by
some of his cowardice subjects and generals. A certain group of the King's
subjects are highly cowardice. They turned tail and fled without the King.
That's how cowardice they are. After a long years of exile, they begin to have
guilt for leaving the King behind to his fate.
Akm-74
Joe_Sixpacks
For public record, it is about time for some one, who were involeved
in this situation, to STEP FORWARD AND TELL THE TRUE. For academic
purpose and no matter who say what sooner or later we have to put the
biography of our past kings into our national archive;therfore, WE
HAVE TO SEARH FOR A TRUE. From the star to the end, every thing has to
account for. Almost 26 years after PDR government took power, it is
about time for our government to RELEASE THIS UNCLASSIFIED
INFORMATION. Public has the right to know. Tell our people and
academiciens the fallowing questions: what happened, how it happened,
why it happened, who did what,where it happened, and when it
happened.
Don't forget people are our DRIVING FORCE, not the regime or
political ideology.....Duay Khouam Hakpeng, Laodengrathjavong....
Aryalath Aaosavanh
Sambaidee Pzone,
Thank you questions and concerns. By publishing this, I would the Lao
People to know the truth. Now the truth was so distorted and painted
by the Lao communist such way that the was dead for sickness and be
relocated because of his own fault by associated with Vang Pao, none
of these are truth. At my own judgment, the Lao people trended to buy
this propaganda, including the exiled Royal Family in France. In
addition, the communist propaganda insisted that Cambodia could do it,
restoring Monarchy, why not us? The King died for his own fault, by
associating with Vang Pao.
I am sorry for my mistype “Xiengxay”, where I meant
Viengxay. Please correct it. I also missed a word
“Prince”, it should be read “the King and the Crown
Prince”.
I would like to clarify a point why Chao Souvana Phouma appeared in
the scenario of the King displacement from Luang Prabang to Viengxay
where Kaysone men shoot him dead in the head. At my judgment, Chao
Souvana Phouma was the greatest Lao Diplomat, the only one, who
absolutely wanted Lao to be Lao, who wanted to unify all Lao into ONE
LAO for the unified Lao Nation.
Kaysone, wanted to use him just as a messenger, who carried exactly
what Kaysone told him to tell the dethroned King, sent him to
LuangPrabang fo this mission. Kaysone was clear that Viengxay is the
only place and the best place for the King to be relocated for his
safety, weel protected, away from “SATTUE”, Vang Pao. Chao
Souvana Phouna didn’t know, was unaware of Kaysone secret plan
to executed the King once landed at Viengxay. He had nothing to do
with the King dead, obviously. Kaysone backup plan was arrested the
King by force, if he said NO to Chao Souvana Phouma for his
relocation, after his return to Vientiane.
Who know, only God and Buddha might know, what was in Chao Souvana
Phouma heart, when he transmitted Kaysone message of relocation to the
King, the Last King of Laos? I think all Laotians should pray ask God
what was in Chao Souvam Phouma heart on that day.
About executing the King right away: The King was very a important
person, not normal like any other person, and posed a real danger and
challenge to Kaysone power. So it was planned to kill the King right
away, far away from his follower’s eyes. Kaysone could not let
the King a small chance to escape, event in Viengxay.
All of these, why and why? Kaysone can arrest the dethroned King in
his Royal Palace and kill him right away. He could do that; no body
will open his/her mouth, with general Nyuen Hoa 50,000 Viets troop
beside him. He had chosen not to do, because, as a maniac Viets born
tactician, he want the Lao People to know the fate of the last King of
Laos the way that Kaysone want: “The King dethroned on his own
wills, died of his own fault, Kaysone had nothing to do with his
dead”. Kaysone found ironic and stupid when Lenin chased the
Russian Tsar and exterminate the whole Emperrial family in a Russian
Farm.
My last comment was for the SCL reader “Samakhi” about
having seen himself the King and Queen picture in the concentration
camp from Viengxay. Just let him know that, under communist rule, I
knew many pictures presented as alive, for person already dead months,
even years ago; I also knew bloody pictures of dead body, while the
person was still alive. So why I understood what communist meant to
me.
Aryalath
pizone
the issue here is who kill our beloved lao king and queen? not who
escape the country occupied by communist. people escape communism
everywhere in the world. may including yourself.
Everybody know who are the murders. who kill lao king. we just want to
see the murders pay back their crime.
hakpheng
pizone
ak...@aol.com (AKM 74) wrote in message news:<20010726191550...@ng-mm1.aol.com>...
holywoman007
Laos? how long? Oops! did I say how long,,,you man know what I mean
'ha'''''
We may have to wait until citizens of SopHao have access to the
computer or the internet then we might get to hear something about
this issue. Hay! Laodeng maybe you should consider relocate to SopHao,
lots of valuable news are waiting to be discovered there.
Thanouxay would not tell me how long, how about you Laodeng tell me
how long?
Old cococut holywoman007
Joe_Si...@hotmail.com (Joe_Sixpacks) wrote in message news:<eeb4990e.01072...@posting.google.com>...
Aryalath Aaosavanh
Hello Akm-74,
I had some information, that in the first early day of April 1975, a
plan (helicopter) had landed at LuangPrabang, begging the King to
leave, he refused to board the plane, he didn't feel that his life was
in danger at that time. That was one of his general who had
unsuccessfully begged him to leave. He explain that his life was not
in danger, so that he should not abandon his Lao people behind, this
was the king big mistake for not boarding his general helicopter on
that day.
Aryalath
lyHoueisoy
complicité des conseillers royaux).Tous les ans au nouvel an Lao ils
faisaient la bagarre pour obtenir des grades suprêmes nouveaux
GENERAUX,COLONELS, PHRAYA, PHIA,et autres.
Personne n'était capable d'assumer la responsabilité. Ils se sont sauvés
avec leurs sacs remplis de dollars sans leur roi.
Malheureusement le sauveur AUGUSTE PAVIS n'était pas là pour sauver la
deuxième fois le roi LANGXANG.
Maintenant ils veulent retourner au Laos pourquoi faire?????? pour revenir
au pouvoir avec des étoiles sur les épaules sans formations politiques,
C'est honteux !!!!!!!!!
Par manque des vigilantes, le roi fait trop de confiance à SVN. Le grand
HOUA KHO.
Si c'était KATAY le LAOS ne serait jamais une province du VIET
"Aryalath Aaosavanh" <arya...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message news:
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drsouk
The king's death has its reasons in the formation of the national union
government in 1973. The Pathet lao gets a political victory already while
bringing the right, neutralists of Souvanna-phouma and moderates of the
royal Government in a same political entity, the "Fai Vieng-chan". According
to the Pathet lao the ministerial posts are to share fairly; besides it
contests the leadership of Souvanna-phouma and ask for the creation of a
vice prime minister post. At the time of the distribution, the foreign
minister is wanted especially by the N.L.H.S. (that will put Phoumi
Vongvichit there) letting to the right those of finances (Ngon Sananikone)
and of defense (Sisouk Na Champasak); the right will understand the
importance of this post when Phoumi Vongvichit will ask for the stop of the
American aid, block nominations of ambassadors to Saīgon and Phnom Penh and
annul the King's abroad journey. August 23, 1975 takes place a big meeting
at That Luang announcing the end of the mixed administration. The day
following Vientiane is under control of a revolutionary Committee. The
King's official journey in Europe organized by the Government since 1973 is
annulled August 26, 1975. It seems that this journey is a lure to deceive
the king who thinks that he can go abroad freely! After 1975, it is to late.
AKM 74
I understand but I also like to bring the issue of why the King was left behind
to face his death and where are those loyal subjects of his when the King
needed them the most. I mean it's useless now for the King has already passed
away.
If everyone is so concern about the King then why do someone allowed the King
that they love so much to be arrested in the first place? Should somebody be
held accountable for failure to protect the King and his family?
Akm-74
lyHoueisoy
complicité des conseillers royaux).Tous les ans au nouvel an Lao ils
faisaient la bagarre pour obtenir des grades suprêmes nouveaux
GENERAUX,COLONELS, PHRAYA, PHIA,et autres.
Personne n'était capable d'assumer la responsabilité. Ils se sont sauvés
avec leurs sacs remplis de dollars sans leur roi.
Malheureusement le sauveur AUGUSTE PAVIS n'était pas là pour sauver la
deuxième fois le roi LANGXANG.
Maintenant ils veulent retourner au Laos pourquoi faire?????? pour revenir
au pouvoir avec des étoiles sur les épaules sans formations politiques,
C'est honteux !!!!!!!!!
Par manque des vigilantes, le roi fait trop de confiance à SVN. Le grand
HOUA KHO.
"AKM 74" <ak...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message news:
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Aryalath Aaosavanh
I understand your position of abandonning the King. But just think
abut it: with general Nyuen Hoa 50,000 Viets troop in place, cutting
Laos into 3 piecese: North: from Hociminh trail to sala phoukhoun,
Center: Vientiane region,
South: from East to West at Paksane
Almost all Lao-Lum general bought Kaysone SWEET BULLET: were so happy
for Lao luam Lao. What can other generals do to protect and save the
King?
These generals were so happy with Kaysone sweet bullet, that all of
them started their long journey to Viengxay, rigth away after. Their
family continued to write to their dead body for years and shipped
good and send cash to supply Viets food ration for years after they
had been burried.
Aryalath
"lyHoueisoy" <lyHou...@noos.fr> wrote in message news:<9jrh8e$inh$1...@hadron.noos.net>...
Setthathirat
Aryalath,
It was true that there was an Helicopter landed in the Luang Prabang
Palace begging the King to leave. This Helicopter was with General
Vang Pao. He begged the King and the Queen to leave but as you said
they refused to leave.
Setthathirat
Vang Po
(10 bears)
AKM 74
> But just think abut it: with general Nyuen Hoa 50,000 Viets troop in place,
cutting
>Laos into 3 piecese:
Right, but remember the other side have no Air Force. The Royal Lao Armed Force
have every advantage over their opponent. In addition the Royal Lao Army was
payrolled and supplied by the American. It's the RLG officials that brought
destruction and defeat upon themselves. I don't blame the Pathet Lao at all.
All they did was wait for the RLG to make the wrong move and shoot themselves
on the foot.
Akm-74
lyHoueisoy
hélicoptère à LuangPrabang, j'aurais dû prendre au moins une initiative
décision avec toute ma responsabilité :
Par exemple le plus simple : endormir le roi et le ramener quelque part:
Bien sûr, les Généraux malins PHRAYA au pif etc......, nommés par le roi,
ont d'autres solutions plus efficaces!!!!!!!
Pas besoin d'une grosse tête pour trouver une solution magique et
extraordinaire, parceque je suis trop bête pour être RAMBO.
drsouk
Il n'y eut aucun hélicoptère. Le roi étant persuadé jusqu'au dernier moment
qu'il ne risquait rien. Il ne pensait pas s'enfuir puisqu'il ne risquait
rien. Peu à peu le piège était refermé et il était trop tard. Les
responsables pathet lao disent qu'ils l'ont envoyé à Sop hao car il étaient
au courant qu'une opération militaire d'envergure montée pour récupérer le
roi à Luang phabang aurait lieu, mais il y a tellement de zones d'ombre dans
cette histoire. De toutes les façons, les dirigeants neo lao haksat
(beaucoup sont des anciens lao itsala) ont un très mauvais souvenir de la
famille royale, qui au temps de la fin de la 2è guerre mondiale avait refusé
de coopérer avec le Lao itsala et se prononcer pour l'indépendance.
Aryalath Aaosavanh
Sambaidee drsouk,
After getting help translated your posting, I had been confirmed that
there was a helicopter landing by general Vang Pao to pickup the King
Royal family. As you said, the King already had been "shoot by Viet
Kaysone sweet bullet", so why he felt no danger to his life and
refused to leave. I am glad to learn something from your posting here.
In regard the Lao Issarat memory of the King of Laos, it was not only
bad, everyone remembered that the King of Laos had been arrested and
confined in his Royal Palace, to force him to endorse the Lao Issarat
movement. The King declined and had discretely sent out a letter to
Touby Lyfoung at Xiengkhouang for help. 300 peasants Lao Hmong
soldiers (thahanh banh) walked days and nights (10 days 10 nights)
from Xiengkhouang to reach LuangPrabang and liberate the King without
harm. As soon as the King was liberated and restored back on the
Throne, by royal decree, a Muoang was created, named Muoang Meo and
Touby Lyfoung became the first Lao-Hmong, minority ethnic, to help
this highest official post, as Chao Muoang Meo. Touby Lyfoung
authority extended to the administration of all Lao-Hmong around the
country. This had certainly cost Touby Lyfoung life, perished in the
Kaysone communist concentration camp (Lao Goulas) in Viengxay in 1975.
Aryalath
Setthathirat
Dr. Souk,
Regarding the story of the Helicopter which landed in the Luang
Prabang Palace, tried to rescue the king and Queen is true. Last time
when I met the royal family member in France, Chao Bouavong and the
other members of the family had confirmed it. So if you have any doubt
about the Helicopter rescue mission, please ask the royal family.
Setthathirat
lyHoueisoy
Votre version est semble t-il contradictoire à la vérité
Au moment de l'arrestion du roi, TBLF n'était pas au Xiengkhouang avec les
300 Hmongs pour récupérer le souverain en direction de LG PRABANG.
Les 300 volontaires hmongs au lieu de venir chercher le roi, s'enfuient en
désordre (sauve qui peut) une grande partie par le sud du Paksan, une autre
partie en marche vers HINH HEUP espérant pouvoir regagner la Thaïlande par
cette route stratégique.
Le fameux Hélicoptère mystérieux de général VP n'existait pas.
M. drsouk l'a confirmé !!!!!
On fait le débat sur le plan d'évacuation de la famille royale c'est pour
tester la capacité et son intelligence de certains gens tels que: Généraux,
ou PHRAYA.
conclusion M.drsouk a raison.
Si vous rappelez comment les Américains évacuaient leurs personnels sur le
toit de l'Ambassade à Saigon.
Les Laotiens( riches) paniquaient aussi pire que les Viets de NGUEN KAO KY.
Comment voulez vous avec vos 300 (Auguste PAVIS) pour venir en aide le
souverain .
C'est vrai !!!! chacun peut imaginer sa propre version, mais la vérité est
loin d'être en évidence.
Regards, LAO KHONKANG
"Aryalath Aaosavanh" <arya...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message news: >
drsouk
As I said, the killing of the king have its roots in the IIWW.
During the IIWW the French colonial administration signs a treaty of
cooperation with Japan permitting the parking of troops and delivering rice
and of other raw materials. In counterpart French preserve their sovereignty
in Indochina. But the Japan fears that French change attitude and makes the
"coup de force" of March 9, 1945, jailing French and managing the Indochina
directly. Some French thanks to the complicity of the population and notably
Catholic community are hidden in forests. Laos will be besides the only
country of Indochina where guerrilla warfare against japanese is active. A
lot of lao civil servants are for France, as Chao Boun-oum, Kou Voravong
(Chao muang of Paksane), his brother-in-law Nouphat Chounlamany (forest
inspector), Leuam Insisiengmay (Chao khoueng of Savannakhet), Liam (Chao
muang of Savannakhet), Kou Abhay (Chao muang of Paksé). At Luang Phabang the
king Sisavang Vong sends prince Kindavong, stepbrother of Phetsarath, to
French in the maquis, and manifest his disapproval. His son, Savang Vatthana
orders March 16 a general uprising in favor of France. Phetsarath since 18
March, asks the governors of province to make known to civil servants that
the general commander the Japanese troops took the place of the French
superior resident, that their assignments stay unaltered, and that Lao or
foreigners living in Laos doesn't have anything to fear the Japanese army.
Japanese occupy Luang Phabang April 5, and exile Savang Vatthana to Saigon;
then they order to proclaim the independence by the king April 8 and to form
a government directed by Phetsarath. To coax the king and to punish the Na
Champasak family pro french, the authority of Luang Phabang covers all the
Laos. May 11, a constitution written by the Japanese is proclaimed. Katay
Don Sasorith becomes chief office of the supreme counselor Ishibashi.
Japanese multiply their propaganda. The newspaper " Lao cha-leun "
(Prosperity lao) publish papers of Nhouy Abhay, Katays and Phouvong Nosavans
in which appear for the first time the words "Issaraphab" (liberty) and "
Ekkalat" (independence). Phetsarath repatriate the vietnamese civil servants
and their families. Phetsarath, Nhouy Abhay and Katay Don Sasorith think
that cooperation with Japanese permits to reach the independence and the
unification of the country. Katay passes for a zealous collaborator, as
Khamphan Panya, the deputy of the Governor of Vientiane. Leuams, Kou, and
Boun-oum believe in the victory of Allies and to the return of France with
which they want to negotiate the independence. From April 8, the authority
of the government of Phetsarath is spread to the country in the whole.
During this time in the I-sane the "vanguard groups" under communist control
coordinates their actions with the Séri Thai, and create a Front regrouping
communists and non-communist in February 1945 under the name of the " League
of the independent " Laos (Sannibat lao ekkalat) that will be a failure.
Aryalath Aaosavanh
Hello lyHoueisoy,
I think that you confused King SisavangVong rescue mission with King
Sisavang Vathana rescue mission. You seem to forget that I am clear
that the Mouang Meo was create after the King was rescued.. So you get
confused, you should do you research, when the Issarat movement
arrested King SisavangVong at LuangPrabang. Your question of how 300
soldiers saved the Monarch? Why not base only few lao Issarat
sympathisants in charged of locking the Monarch in the palace at tha
time(I am not talking 1975)..I discussed with one of the soldiers now
still living today..Remembered, I talked about King SisavangVong. For
the helicopter, you can verfify with the Royal Family exiled in France
now. It had confirmed that. What's your point for denying what was
confirmed by the exiled royal family?
Aryalath.
Aryalath
Setthathirat
To Aryalath,
To be precise, King Sisavang Vong was locked at Park OU by Chao
Phetsarat about 30 kilometers from Mouang Luang Prabang to the North.
And you know the rest of the story How Touby Lyfong leaded those 300
thahanh Banh Hmong to free the KING SISAVANG VONG.
Setthathirat
drsouk
Potsdam decide that the disarmament of Japanese in Indochina will make with
the nationalist Chinese troops over the 16th parallel, and with the British
under. In Laos the Chinese troops will control all the country except
Champasak. Chao Phetsarath at Vientiane after the surrender sends a telegram
to the king telling him that the independence of Laos is maintained; then he
confirms to the civil servants the maintenance of the political and
administrative regime acquired under the Japanese occupation. The king
Sisavang Vong answer to Phetsarath by a declaration made August 30
affirming his fidelity to the French protectorate. But Phetsarath the
following day reaffirms that the independence and the unit acquired are
maintained September 15. Chao Phetsarath holds Vientiane sustained by the
japanese commander who need him to maintain order during the Japanese troop
evacuation. French, prisoners or or not, are not a danger for him. The
independantists are rather favorable to him. But Bong Srirattanakoun and
Tham Sayasèng (Lao pen lao) that have the American officer support, seem to
want to take the head of the movement. The immediate danger is the 12.000
vietnamese residents of Vientiane and their groups of selfdefence. Thanks to
the civic guard ordered by Sing Rattanasamay and Kham-kiao public order is
maintened. The commandant Imfeld learning that Japanese are ready to leave,
arrive August 25 on the outskirts of Luang Phabang, and is welcomed by the
prince Savang vatthana. August 29, the Chinese troops are arriving and
Japanese are hurry to evacuate the city followed by the vietnamese
militiamen. Thus Imfeld can enter in the capital September 2, 1945, before
the Chinese troops. The commandant Fabre accompanied by seven men of which
four French, enter September 5 in Vientiane. The interview that he has the
following day with Phetsarath, is polite but brief. Phetsarath tells to him
that all legal ties established with France by treaties and conventions are
broken, by default of France to protect the Kingdom. Imfeld informed of
declarations of Phetsarath, demand to the king to resign Phetsarath as chief
of gvt September 10, 1945; his demand is approved by the prince heir Savang
Vatthana. The following day, Sisavang Vong sends a message to the viceroy
adding him to come to LPB to explain ; what Phetsarath refuses. September
14, Phetsarath forms a government of the " Kingdom of free lao" (Rasanachak
lao issara). September 15, he once confirms the independence of Laos, the
unit by the uniting of Vientiane and Champasak to the Kingdom of Luang
Phabang; he asked officially for his government's recognition by allied
October 4. By this act Phetsarath becomes a "Kabot" (rebel) to his
king.Toward mid - september, in the South a few French soldiers succeed in
reoccupying Paksé with the complicity of the chao khoueng Kou Abhay and of
the population. In the North at Houei-sai, French meet the Chinese vanguard
and are disarmed. At Samneua, the chao khoueng Phoumi Vongvichit welcomes
French. At Xieng-khouang, the lao phouan civic guard of Chao Xay Kham and
the Hmong of Touby open the way to French while hunting the vietnamese
militia out of the city. End September, on the Mékong only two cities
(Savannakhet and Thakhek) are occupied by the vietnamese militants remain
forbidden to French. At the west Muang Phine and Sépones are occupied by
Viet minh troops.
Setthathirat
Mr. Lyhouasoy,
It seem to me that you have only half brain functionning. Here is my
advice to you, if you do not know or are not sure about History then
ask and listen first intead of criticizing Aryalat story.
Setthathirat
drpao
How and why the King & Quuen and other members of the Royal family got arrested
and died remains to be written.
As now, two things are clear:
1. the King & Queen were arrested.
2. Both died in captivity the North of Laos
The next four questions:
1.When?
2.Where?
3. Why?
4. How did they died?
And the last improtant question is:
WHO is responsible for their death?
Pao
In article <77ca1935.01072...@posting.google.com>, Aryalath Aaosavanh
says...
>
>Dear SCL readers,
>
>
>In his writing posted by paxas...@yahoo.com, Mr. Hiem Phommachanh,
>reiterated the Lao communist official version of on how the last King
>of Laos was arrested. Shame to him by spreading lies.
>
>How his Excellency Sisavaong Vathana, the last King of Laos was
>arrested and executed? This is the question of all native Laotians
>should ask and get a rational answer to this. I will tell you the real
>communist information on why, how he had been arrested and executed,
>and then what was, is the communist official words about the last of
>Laos fate....... (delete)
>
lyHoueisoy
le seul responsable tueur : KAYSONE PHOMVIHANE il faut marquer son nom sur
une page de l'histoire LANGXANG.C'est un grand traite du peuple LAO.
"drpao" <nos...@newsranger.com> a écrit dans le message news:
Dz697.11177$ar1....@www.newsranger.com...
Samakhi Bopenphakniyom
king of Lao people who descending from the long very glorious line of
Khun Lo and Khun Borom dynasty of 1,300 year. We are not concerning
about the royal lackey of the north who suffer from the gross
incompetence and inbreeding and who always traitor against the
country, even name for themself after King Vang Pao (Sri SaVANGpao,
Sorryavong SaVANGPAO, CoolieHmong SaVANGPAO, etc etc etc) and who
traitor against Chao Anou and Lao people always.
Hakpheng
arya...@yahoo.com (Aryalath Aaosavanh) wrote in message news:<77ca1935.01072...@posting.google.com>...
> Dear SCL readers,
>
>
> In his writing posted by paxas...@yahoo.com, Mr. Hiem Phommachanh,
> reiterated the Lao communist official version of on how the last King
> of Laos was arrested. Shame to him by spreading lies.
>
> How his Excellency Sisavaong Vathana, the last King of Laos was
> arrested and executed? This is the question of all native Laotians
> should ask and get a rational answer to this. I will tell you the real
> communist information on why, how he had been arrested and executed,
> and then what was, is the communist official words about the last of
Aryalath Aaosavanh
I completely agree with, this is the first time that you express
clearly your position on the fate of the last King of Laos. You spoken
the truth just the truth, nothing but the truth the Kaysone was the
killer of the King of Laos. For all other Lao who still have any doubt
about who was the King assassin, just think about, why kill the King?
What Kaysone want was to exterminate the whole Royal family so Kaysone
name could be written as the 2nd Marxist survival who exterminated the
Lao Royal family like Lenin did for the Russian Imperial Tsar family.
Kaysone was smart and manic, instead of having the Lao Royal Family
executed at the eyes of the Lao people like Lenin chased the Russian
Tsar family and exterminated in a farm, Kaysone want hide the truth,
lied to the Lao people and to manipulate the Lao people to know that
the King was:
1. dethroned by his own wills (Kaysone propaganda),
2. just displaced to Viengxay, because his was associated with Vang
Pao,
3. dead by mosquitoes bites sickness, because he too old(Kaysone
propaganda).
Just look at the reality. Why Kaysone had to kill the Queen, the 2
young children (ChaoFa Sayvongsavang 2 sons), in addition to the King
and the Crown prince and his brother? The only quilt the King had
committed was just being King. He had no political role in the destiny
of Laos. In conclusion, each Lao, who love Laos, who love the King of
Laos, should write down Kaysone name as the Killer of our King, and
should teach our children and grand children who was Kaysone and where
he came from: a 100% Viet born, disguised in Lao.
Aryalath
"lyHoueisoy" <lyHou...@noos.fr> wrote in message news:<9k3bb2$nam$1...@quark.noos.net>...
holywoman007
participating in this hot air battle. I am wondering if we are in real
battle where would the Chao be?
"lyHoueisoy" <lyHou...@noos.fr> wrote in message news:<9k3bb2$nam$1...@quark.noos.net>...
Setthathirat
> le seul responsable tueur : KAYSONE PHOMVIHANE il faut marquer son nom sur
> une page de l'histoire LANGXANG.C'est un grand traite du peuple LAO.
> "drpao" <nos...@newsranger.com> a écrit dans le message news:
> Dz697.11177$ar1....@www.newsranger.com...
> > HI all,
> >
> > How and why the King & Quuen and other members of the Royal family got
> arrested
> > and died remains to be written.
> >
> > As now, two things are clear:
> > 1. the King & Queen were arrested.
> > 2. Both died in captivity the North of Laos
> >
> > The next four questions:
> > 1.When?
> > 2.Where?
> > 3. Why?
> > 4. How did they died?
> >
> > And the last improtant question is:
> > WHO is responsible for their death?
> >
> >
> > Pao
> >
> >
> >
Depend what kind of version you want to hear, kaisone viet version or
the truth? if you want to hear the truth then listen to Aryalat . He
told the truth.
Setthathirat
drsouk
divisions (60th Army, 93rd Division) of about 15.000 men enter in Laos at
Phongsaly. At the arrival of the Chinese all Japanese to disarm had left
Laos already. The chinese officers are wars Lords looking for money. They
don't have interest that French recover Indochina. At Luang Phabang, Chinese
entered after the commander Hans Imfeld whom they disarm quickly. Chinese
let free the Lao itsala led by Chao Bounnhavath and Khamphay Boubpha; they
besiege Imfeld and put the royal family under surveillance. Chinese make
sign a proclamation of independence and extort to the king 80.000
indochinese piastres. Facing 5.000 Chinese soldiers who surround them Imfeld
and about fifteen men will hold until January 4, 1946 (evacuated to Siam).
September 21 to Vientiane, about thirty French, 60 paratroops of the 5č
regiment of colonial infantry and two hundred Lao enters in Vientiane. Thus
French can count on a strength about 300 men to resist to the civic guard
and militias, they invest the Residence and Vat Pha Kčo; the tricolor flag
floats again on Vientiane. September 25, Fabre makes named by Phetsarath,
Kou Voravong as chao khoueng of Vientiane. But in the same time, 7000
Chinese soldiers of the general Sing Sun-Chow arrived at Vientiane.
September 27, Phetsarath sees the general that promises him a help against
French, and give the order to his troops to surround and reduce the 300
French and Lao confined in the Residence. Informed of the Chinese
preparations, Fabre immediately evacuates his men toward Tha-ngon and Bane
Keun. Remained alone in Vientiane, he will be evacuated under Chinese escort
on Tha-deua November 20, 1945. At Paksane, the fief of Kou Voravong, the
lieutenant Jean Deuve with about thirty men enters in the city September 15,
1945. He will maintain until the return of French, thanks to the complicity
of the Lao. After October 1945, Phetsarath is protected therefore by the
Chinese soldiers in return of payment, and Lao itsala can act thus freely in
all the country except Champasak. According to the official version
Phetsarath recalls in emergency his stepbrother Souphanouvong from Vietnam,
to confide him the military command. The proposition of Phetsarath seems
incongruous, because Souphanouvong doesn't have at this time any military
experience! Certainly Souphanouvong is counseled by Ho Chi-Minh that
suggests him to be a chief of the future Lao itsala army. This proposition
certainly inflame Souphanouvong of which one knows the romantic and
hot-headed character. Souphanouvong as commander of the army satisfied
Phetsarath (who other than Soupha, protected by Ho, is able to be obey by
the dangerous Vietnamese selfdefense militias?) and Ho Chi-Minh that can put
the hand on the movement Lao itsala. For Souphanouvong himself, he has a
revenge to take on the royal family of Luang Phabang and find certainly
some personal satisfactions there. Of Souphanouvong this unknown prince, Ho
will make a prestigious leader of it. He doesn't disregard any opportunity
to heighten the prince's prestige: the transportation by American plane in
Hanoi, the cordial and worthy receipt, the access in Hanoi radio - where the
prince makes several flaming declarations against the colonialism - the
armed escort to assure his security. The return trip of Souphanouvong by
the number 9 colonial road is a real campagn of propaganda. The passage in
every city or village is preceded of distribution of tracts and meetings
praising the prince's merits. The population is very impressed when appears
Souphanouvong leading head, holding a white pony on which is his eldest
son. Everywhere he presents himself as "Prince Souphanouvong, brother of
Prince Phetsarath ".
drsouk
future lao army in place. It is composed of about thirty Vietnamese
soldiers, all chosen among the elite of commandos and the intelligency; its
chief, Tran Van Dinh - chief of the special operations, army of liberation
of the Center - Vietnam, is one of the best Viet minh spy agents. Besides,
two Vietnamese are already with the prince before this journey: his personal
secretary Lê Phung-Thoi a Vietnamese born in Laos and member of the P.C.I.,
and his bodyguard Nguyên Chuong (that will lie down on him to protect him of
the French bullets at the flight of Thakhek). Arrived at Savannakhet October
6, Souphanouvong finds there Oun Sananikone and Phoumi Nosavan already
installed. Ato Thakhek the situation is more favorable. He is welcomed by
the teacher Singkapo, Chao Nith Nokham, and the powerful representative of
the association of the Vietnamese patriots of the Siam and Laos, Nguyên
Van - Long, het also has the support of the indochinese guards of Thakhek in
majority Vietnamese. October 8, 1945, Souphanouvong creates the army of
liberation and defense of Laos immediately (A.L.D.L.) at the same time as
the Committee Lao itsala (or Lao issara, free Lao) of the South.
Souphanouvong pushed by his ally Viet minh, want absolutely to have the
command of the Lao itsala army and, of course, the service of informations,
threatening to use the Vietnamese troops in case of need. The act of
official birth of the A.L.D.L. is the decree signed of the prime minister
Phaya Khammao Vilay of October 30, 1945 that precise that " Army of
liberation and defense lao " (is) placed under the supreme command of (...)
Prince Souphanouvong, that will carry the title of commander-in-chief of the
army of liberation and Lao defense. At Vientiane, Khammao, Khuang and Sing
Rattanasamay oppose indeed violently to this nomination; at Thakhek, Oun
Sananikone and the Lao pen lao also show their opposition. But Phetsarath
needs a military strength to face the Lao pen lao and to increase his
authority; on the other hand it permits to solve the problem of the
insecurity created by the Vietnamese militias. The legitimacy of Phetsarath
crumbles seriously since the King counseled by Imfeld begins to show his
opposition. Sisavang Vong and especially his son Savang Vatthana ask him to
regain Luang Phabang to explain . In Vientiane, his nationalistic
competitors - the Lao pen lao - try to take him of speed while creating
October 9 a " Committee independence of the lao people" in which is Oudone
Sananikone and Bong Srirattanakoun; another " Committee of lao action" is
created by Phéng Phongsavanh, chao muang of Bane Keun, to oppose to Lao
itsala. October 10, 1945, the king's message dismissing Phetsarath of his
viceroy's post officially arrives to Vientiane. This dismissal ends several
months of political ambiguousness; henceforth Phetsarath cann't says to have
the king's tacit agreement. The conquest of Cambodia by French that
re-establish the protectorate quickly, reinforce the king in his option. In
answer, October 12, 1945 the committee of the people's representatives
(Khana kammakan latsadon) designates Khammao Vilay prefect of Vientiane to
form a temporary Government of the independent Laos (Lathaban xuô khao Lao
itsala) in replacement of the one of Phetsarath. This government declares
the independence the same day. He is composed of Chao Phetsarath (head of
state), Phaya Khammao Vilay (prime minister, foreign minister), Thao Sing
Rattanasamay (defense), Thao Katay Don Sasorith (Finances and Propaganda),
Nhouy Abhay (national Education), Chao Somsanith (Interior and justice),
Chao Oun-Heuan Norasing (Ministre - Adjoint Interior and Justice), Thao
Kruong (Ministre - Adjoint National Economy), Thao Tham Sayasèng (Ministre -
Adjoint foreign). Designated but absent of Vientiane the two ministers of
Committees of the South, Souphanouvong (travaux publics) and Oune Sananikone
(economy). Souphanouvong arrives to Vientiane October 29, 1945. The
following day, the Committee Lao itsala of the South merges with the one of
Vientiane to form definitely the Lao itsala government. The Committee of
the people's representatives proclaims its own dissolution shortly after
written the temporary Constitution of 1945 (Ladtha thammanoun xuo khao
1945), the first written by the Lao. This Constitution recognizes the
monarchy in its article 4: " The legislative power belongs to the people.
The ministerial power is confided to the King. These two powers are limited
by the Constitution ". The unification of the country is affirmed in the
article 2: " Laos consists of eleven provinces: Phongsaly, Houei sai, Luang
phabang, Samneua, Xieng-khuang, Vientiane, Thakhek, Savannakhet, Saravane,
Attopeu, Paksé ". the people's chamber of representatives is formed some
days later. This parliament presided by Khoun Bilavan is composed of 45
members in majority of the administrative settings elected by the people's
Committee, that means co-opted by Phetsaraths and the Lao pen lao. The Lao
pen laos are less represented, with the reinforcement of Phetsarath by
Souphanouvong and his ally Viet minh.The first governmental measures are the
denunciation of france - laos agreements, the uniting of Champasak declared
integral part of Laos, the order given to Lao itsalaCommittees to free
Luang Phabang and Xieng-khuang, and the demand of recognition by Allies.
Aryalath Aaosavanh
Sambaidee drsouk,
It’s interesting to read your posting on Lao history. You should
one of the people who wrote or had the book with you. I guess you are
a real Doctor graduate from one of the French faculty university. If
so, you should a highly respect person within the Lao community.
Therefore, you have a moral responsibility to tell the truth, at least
argument and statement that go along with a minimum of rationalism
conventional, to match you social status, and make the LAO people
confused. If you are the person that supposes to be, you should see
the big picture of the Laos history, and not bringing small very
details to confuse the Lao public.
By reading your writing in Lao history, you seem to attached King
Sisavang Vathana dead to the fate of Lao history which was and is
exactly what the Kaysone communist had tried very hard to do; finally
you seem to endorse Kaysone/Nouhak Khamtay official version to blame
the extermination of the Royal Family to history, especially in World
War II link, and that Kaysone had nothing to do with his murdered. In
fact the King execution was engineered by Kaysone and his political
advisor Viet (In this he was Nyuen Dacthi). I read Anuruth posting
some time ago that you had business in Laos. I knew exactly for sure
that to do business in Laos, you have to sign a contract with Lao KGB
(ka Souang Phainai), under which you have to report every suspected
person, and/or activities you knew to the Lao KGB, in addition to you
weekly/monthly report to it. The most important clause of the
contract, stipulated that if you failed to do so, or if it was
discovered that you lied on your report, your assets will be sized and
expropriated. Is your posting here, part of your routine for such
report?
You blame the dead of the last King to Laos, including his family with
the 2 children, linked to Laos’s history. That is unacceptable
for the Lao people who just believed that the King was just murdered.
I understood now why you are able to do business in Laos. Some hoe how
you are now brain washed to spread Viet Kaysone version of the dead of
the King, to hide the truth to the Lao people. Laos was independent in
1954, why the war in Laos should continue then after that. It was
clear that communist Viet leaders want, not only to kill the King of
Laos, they want to exterminate the whole Royal Family in order to
facilitate the union. Viet leaders want to prolonged the war in Laos
with the war in Vietnam so they can achieve 2 objectives:
1. Use Lao territory to store and ship war equipment,
2. To exterminate the Royal roots to facilitate, step by step, the
Viet—Lao union in for a long-term goal.
To achieve this goal, the war in Laos could end only if the war in
Vietnam ended.
As a lao what did you feel after the dead Chao Aria Souphanouvong,
Chao Souphanouvong himself, Phoumi Vonvichit and many leftist leaders
Lao nationalist in mysterious circumstances? You can verify at
Vientiane how many hours after Phoumi Vonvichit died after seeing the
dentist?
How do you feel when Souphanouvong died, he got $2,000(two thousands)
for his funeral, almost humiliating honor, with no monument, no
special public remembrance, compared to Kaysone $5 million monument,
and with all the honor that the Lao communist state can offer?
In addition, I read in other topic, in this forum from you, that there
was no Viet soldier in Laos; there were only Viet volunteers. For you,
what is the difference between the several divisions Viet troop of
volunteers and several divisions of Viet troop soldiers in Laos under
general Hoa command? By continuing to endorse Kaysone Nouhak Khamtay
as you did now, you may be able in the near future to visit general
Hoa, now retired in Vietnam, and ask him to tell you about his glory
story of killing Lao Royal army soldiers during the time that he was
Khamtay commander in chief. You will have the opportunity of asking
him how please he is about Khamthay monument erected in his honor in
Pakse, using Lao public million dollars.
Today, there are almost 2 millions Viet, disguised in Lao, soldiers,
technicians assistant, advisers, secret agents of all kind in Laos.
Remember, Phoumi Vonvichit raised the issues of Viet free populated
Lao Soil, he just want to regulate and control it, he was injected a
dental anesthesia gumm into his blood vessel and died cup of hours
later in Vientiane in 1994.
You mentioned reading Kaysone 2nd book and just said what was said in
the book. I personally think his book rfflect more tactical manouvre
on how should be done than the memory of what had bee done. I
haven’ ready his book, because I will be sick on the first page.
Did he said in his book on how the King of Laos was arrested and died?
If he did, did he said that he had sent Vonphet(Chao Khouang
Luangprabang) to an official in duty, in order to justify call the
Long Chao Khouang to come to Vientiane to testify against the King?
Why are you doing this? (Endorsing Viet Kaysone version) and lying to
the Lao people? Why did you feel comfortable to trade the truth of
the fate of the last King of Laos with the privilege of doing business
in Laos? Or if you didn’t have any business in Laos. Why are you
doing this? Are you really Lao? I suspected that?
The King of Laos was just murdered. It was simple fact. I already
explained how evidence was fabricated against the King. If the King
was guilty of associating with Vang Pao, why all of his family had
been executed, no survival from the whole the family members flown
with the King and Queen to Viengxay, including the 2 young boys
boarding the plane with the King?
Best regard
Aryalath
pizone
i can't believe that you still inocently belive this kind of
propaganda story.
the fact is, the pathet lao was just poppet of the commu viet. The
well trained commu viet soldiers did all show in almost all of the
important battles fiels in Laos. it was the secret war, that's true,
but the viets fight the war in Laos is not secret at all. it's time
for you to open your eye and try to look for your Pathet lao. If you
don't see it now, that's because the pathet lao was died since the day
the communist took over Laos, in 1975.
the pathet lao leaded by the former New Lao hak Xad is gone.
kaison/nouhak and his boss commu-viets destroy it 21 years ago!
hakpeng
pizone
ak...@aol.com (AKM 74) wrote in message news:<20010728174305...@ng-ba1.aol.com>...
Jonn500
I don't know about your prince Boom Boom came from, however..
Khun Borom is said to be the father of Tai tribes. He sent out his 9 sons to create Tai kingdoms and set out to rule
the world. One of his 9 sons was Khun Lo who found Thao dynasty that ruled Muang Swa (Luang Prabang) some 500 years
before the Lan Xang was born. Lackey or not. The current Lao Royal Family in France is in fact the only known
surviving descendants of Khun Borom. By no means, I'm not a royal supporter but speaking from a Lao anthropologist
wannabe's perspective, the Lao Royal Family is and should be considered as a part of Lao heritage. They are one of
the oldest Lao families we have got.
Khun Lo Dynasty.
Muang Swa :
Phraya Lang (r. 1271-1316?) -- Son of last king of Thao dynasty found by Khun Lo who ruled Muang Swua.
Suvanna Khamphong (r.1316-1344?) -- Son of Phraya Lang.
Khamhiao (r. 1344?-1353) -- Son of Suvanna Khamphong.
Lan Xang kingdom:
Fa Ngum (r. 1353-1373/74) -- Grandson of Suvanna Khamphong.
Sam Saen Tai (r. 1373/74-1416) -- Son of Fa Ngum.
Lan Kham Daeng (r.1416-1428) -- Son of Sam Saen Tai.
Phommathat (r. 1428-1429) -- Son of Lan Kham Daeng; ruled 10 months.
Khamterm (r. 1430-) -- Son of Sam Saen Tai; ruled 5 months.
Meunsai (r. 1430-) -- Son of Sam Saen Tai; ruled 6 months.
Fakhai (r.1431-1434?) -- Grandson of Sam Saen Tai.
Konkham (r. 1435-) -- Son of Sam Saen Tai; ruled 7 months.
Yukhon (r. 1436-) -- Son of Lan Kham Daeng; ruled 8 months.
Khamkoet (r. 1436-1438) -- Not of royal descent.
Maha Thevi (r. 1438-) -- Queen of Sam Saen Tai.
Interregnum (1438-1442)
Xaiyachakkaphat Phaen Phaeo (r. 1442-1479/80) -- Son of Sam Saen Tai.
Suvanna Banlang (r. 1480-1486) -- Son of Xaiyachakkaphat.
La Saen Tai (r. 1486-1496) -- Son of Xaiyachakkaphat.
Xumphu (r. 1496-1501) -- Son of La Saen Tai.
Vixun (r. 1501 - 1520) -- Son of Xaiyachakkaphat.
Phothisarat (r. 1520-1547) -- Son of Vixun.
Xetthathirat I (r. 1548-1571) -- Son of Phothisarat.
Saen Surin (1) (r. 1571-1575) -- Not of royal descent.
Voravongsa I (r. 1575-1579) -- Son of Phothisarat.
Saen Surin (2) (r. 1580-1582) -- Not of royal descent.
Nakhon Noy (r. 1582-1583) -- Son of Saen Surin; not of royal descent.
Burmese interregnum (1583-1591) -- Burmese ruled Lan Xang 8 yrs.
Nokheokuman (r. 1591-1596) -- Son of Xetthathirat.
Voravongsa II (r. 1596-1622) -- Nephew of Xetthathirat.
Upayuvarat (r. 1622-1623) -- Son of Voravongsa II
Phothisan (r. 1623-1627) -- Son or grandson of Saen Surin; not of royal descent.
Momkaeo (r. 1627-1633) -- Son of Voravongsa II.
Vixai/Tonkham (r. 1633-1638) -- Sons of Voravongsa II; ruled jointly?
Suriyavongsa (r.1638-1695) -- Son of Tonkham.
Phraya Meuang Chan (r. 1695) -- Not royal descent; ruled 6 months..This was the beginning of Lan Xang's decline.
Family members of Suriyavongsa fought for the throne and eventually lead to splitting up the Great Lan Xang Kingdom
into three small pity kingdoms.
Natharat (r.1696-1698) -- Cousin of Suriyavongsa.
Xai Ong Ve (r. 1698-1707) -- Nephew of Suriyavongsa; ruled as Xetthathirat II.
Kingkissarat (r. 1707- 1713) -- Grandson of Suriyavongsa.
Ong Kham (r. 1713-1723) -- Son of the ruler of Xiang Hung.
Inthasom (r. 1723-1749) -- Brother of Kingkissarat.
Inthaphom (r. 1749-1750) -- Son of Inthasom.
Xotika (r. 1750-1771) -- First son of Inthasom.
Surinyavong (r. 1771-1791) -- Son of Xotika.
Interregnum (1791-1795)
Anuruttha (r. 1795-1816) -- Son of Xotika.
Manthaturat (r. 1817-1836) -- Son of Anuruttha.
Interregnum (1836-1839)
Sukkhasoem (r. 1839-1850) -- Son of Manthaturat.
Chantharat (r. 1852-1871) -- Son of Manthaturat.
Unkham (r. 1873-1894) -- Son of Manthaturat.
Khamsuk or Sakkarine (r. 1894-1903) -- Son of Unkham.
Sisavang Vong (r. 1904-1959) -- Son of Khamsuk. Reign 55 yrs, the longest reign by any kings in Lao history, but
unfortunately when he died he brought Lan Xang kingdom with him.
Savang Vatthana (r. 1959-1975) -- Son of Sisavang Vong. Died in the Seminar camp in Houaphan, believe was killed.
Due to instability and civil war waging throughout Kingdom of Laos, Savang Vatthana never was formally crowned.
Prince Souriyavong Savang who currently resides in France is a brother of Savang Vatthana.
The future king of Laos, a young prince Soulivong Savang who's also resides in France is a grandson of the last king
of Laos King Savang Vatthana.
Jonn500 a lone surviving descendent of chao Muangnam of Sipsong Panna. Sadly, I'm an endangered prince or species if
you will. :-))
drsouk
Yep, I'm not working for the KGB as you said! Just giving others Lao the
background of this story. The lao independence of 1945 was very complicated,
anf few known that was happen. Don't make that the communist make: if the
history is no good for socialism, it is that the historian is wrong!
drsouk
proclaimed state exists only on the paper. Executives miss cruelly, French
having disregarded their formation. The treasury is non-existent: the opium,
the only profitable production, is therefore under control of the Hmongs and
unavailable; the Lao itsala don't have any income; besides the chinese ktm
army steal everything that can be and require the payment by indochinese
piastres. Whatever Laos lives in selfsufficiency and autarcy, the currency
misses and the rudimentary economy is jammed; Katay gets of Thailand of what
to print new tickets that are sulked by the population, in the same way for
the revolutionary tickets printed in three languages (Vietnamese, lao,
Cambodian) of the Vietnamese help; on the other hand dollars and bahts
provided by Séri Thais are valued more for the same reason as piastres. The
salaries of civil servants and soldiers are paid only half in mottos, the
remainder by an obligatory state loan without guarantee launched by Katay.
Civil servants and soldiers are of course unhappy to be paid half in
currency of monkey. The necessary foreign help to the survival of the state
and schemings of lao politicians, already characterize the political life of
Vientiane. According to the Constitution, the Chamber of representatives
have the government's control; the Lao pen laos found an ally in Khoun
Bilavan that presides it; their attacks especially aim Nhouy Abhay that they
judge profrench and Katay whose ethnic origin is not pleasing to them. To
remedy this problem and also to have a parliament (sapha hèng sat) elected
from the universal suffrages, the government Lao itsala organizes elections
in February 1946. In fact these elections take place solely in the big
cities. The Lao pen laos lose four representatives and are muzzled
definitely at the Parliament. Lao itsala creates organizations of mass. The
young lao association or " Samakhom lao noum " sees the day thus; some of
these young, as Phao Bounnaphol of Savannakhet, will become later leaders.
The Government Lao itsala solely recognized by the R.D.V.N., sign a
military agreement with its October 30, 1945. This agreement concretizes the
influence more and more obvious of the Viet minh on the movement Lao itsala.
drsouk
general de Gaulle names the general Philippe Leclerc of the French
expeditionary corps of Far East (corps expeditionnaire français en
extreme-orient, C.E.F.E.O.) that disembarks at Saigon October 5, 1945.
French find the British troops of the general Douglas Gracey installed since
13 September there. The British troops will only leave in December after
having passed the relay to the C.E.F.E.O. At Tonkin, the 180.000 nationalist
Chinese soldiers of the general Siao Wen don't want to leave, and require
the offset. To the non occupied Cambodia by the Chinese troops the
resumption in hand by France is easy and fast. Beginning 1946, 600 French
soldieries and more of 4.000 suppletive troops containing notably the Hmongs
of Touby, under the command of the lieutenant - colonel Crève - Cour, begin
to spread out in Laos. The landing field of Paksane under control of Deuve
allows them to receive the material of war and to prepare the attack of the
capital. The city of Xieng-khouang is surrounded by French and the Hmongs of
Touby. In spite of the demand of help of Phoumi Vongvichit, governor of
Samneua, the Chinese troops in this sector remain neutral, Xieng khuang fall
in the morning of January 27, 1946. The road of Vientiane-Luang Phabang is
cut. The loss of Xieng-khouang constitutes a serious warning to the Lao
itsalas that become aware of a return possible of France. Cambodia is
already under French control, as well as Paksé. End February 1946, the
French attacks isolate cities. Lao itsala are besieged in Luang Phabang,
Vientiane, Savannakhet and Thakhek. Undeceiving the vigilance of his Lao
itsala guardians, the prince heir Savang Vatthana escapes from Luang Phabang
to join the French troops. With the return of the C.E.F.E.O., Chinese make
themselves conciliatory but refuse to leave at the date of January 31, 1946
fixed by Allies. French end up granting them some compensations to be able
to reoccupy the Tonkin quickly. An agreement is signed February 28 fixing
the departure of Chinese in the first fifteen of March 46; in counterpart
French quit them privileges of extraterritoriality and the railroad of the
Yunnan, and grant them a free duty zone in Hai phong. Ho Chi-Minh is also
okay for a fast departure of the ktm army that robs the Tonkin. March 6,
1946, the democratic Republic of Vietnam signs with France an agreement
stipulating a cease-fire in Vietnam, the Chinese troop relief by the
C.E.F.E.O., and the recognition of Vietnam as independent State in
indochinese Federation of the French union. The reaction of Laos itsalas to
this agreement is mitigated, in spite of telegram from Souphanouvong to Ho
Chi-Minh to congratulate it. Nhouy Abhay and Souvanna-phouma, as well as the
Committee Lao itsala of Hanoi, wish to contact French; on the other hand the
Lao pen laos want to continue the struggle. Nhouy and Tay Keoluangkhots
descend at Thakhek to have the opinion of Souphanouvong and Oun Sananikone;
Nhouy tries in vain to enter in contact with French. Finally, Souphanouvong
decides the question while sending a telegram to the Committee of Hanoi and
the Lao itsala government, ending by: (.) Government and people of the
independent Laos continue struggle until complete independence (.). The
prime minister Khammao agree with this opinion, dragging all undecided with
him. In spite of all, a lot of Lao itsala remain dubitative knowing that all
political regulation with France is impossible without the approval of
Sisavang Vong; from where their change of attitude to the king; so they
propose him to put back him on the throne, against the Lao
itsalagovernment's recognition. The refusal of the king and the prince heir
to speak with Laos itsala explains the attitude without mercy of
revolutionaries towards the family royal thirty years later. The French
troop influx and the departure of the Chinese increase the disarray in Lao
itsala ranks. With the refusal of French to discuss, the Lao itsala
government doesn't have another exit that to pronounce for the continuation
of the struggle, to the big joy of Souphanouvong, and to order to the army
of liberation and defense lao to deliver fight March 12, 1946. The French
troops reoccupy Muang Phine (14 March), Savannakhet (17 March) and Thakhek
(21 March). French enter in Sépone March 23 and Napé April 11. Mid - April,
the Center and the South of Laos are under French control. Vientiane falls
April 24, 1946. The eve, the king answered again by the negative to the
ultimate proposition of Laos itsalas to re-establish him on the throne. The
Lao itsala government (except Nhouy Abhay that rallied French) accompanied
many Lao itsala take refuge in Siam. The French troops invest Luang Phabang
May 13, 1946, then all the North. Some sporadic fights continue around
cities until September 1946.
anurutt siriratt
ot: To All SCL'ers & Laotian Patriots...,
Lanxang is a Laotian geographical entity where the very "Laotian
Society", including past history, future accomplishments, every
laotian citizen and the monarchy, every single social embryon of the
Laotian society was having, is having and should be having their
potential opportunity to savour and rejoice her tremendous natural
resources accordingly... And this should be without the exclusivity of
any single one of the social basic fundamental components of the
country...
...and This is what we're expecting and fighting for to
"IMPLIMENTING...
With Love & Best Regards,
Anurutt Siriratt
Paxasonlao
settha...@yahoo.com (Setthathirat) wrote in message
> the truth? if you want to hear the truth then listen to Aryalat . He
> told the truth.
Set_ha...@yabah.cum is really sucking and licking Aryalath big
time .You two make good couple good luck .
Paxasonlao4life.
settha...@yahoo.com (Setthathirat) wrote in message news:<b03e68ee.01073...@posting.google.com>...
Noiy
Thanks for both of your excellent postings, hypotheses and
antihypotheses, on the disappearance of the Lao Royal family. I read
these postings with particular interests and I believe I learned
something from you. However, without letting myself be influenced by
these stories, there has been no doubt in my mind that the
disappearance of the Royal family is not by chance. First, the
disappearance of the entire family members, or most of its important
members, is rarely by chance. The second crucial reason is that
communism has always considered Royalism as a sort of feudalism that
goes against the maxist-leninist principe. Therefore, when the
communists came to power in 1975, one of their first priorities would
be to make the Royal family disappear from Laos, subtlely or
deliberately, without the remote possibility for their return into
power again. As for the mystery surrounding their death, it's just a
matter of who tells it. There may be thirty six versions of it.
Hak Pheng
Noiy
arya...@yahoo.com (Aryalath Aaosavanh) wrote in message news:<77ca1935.01073...@posting.google.com>...
pizone
sabaidi dr. souk,
I have some opinion to share in responding to your post here:
dr. souk: "Il n'y eut aucun hélicoptère"
pizone:
yes, you're right.
Dr. souk: "Le roi étant persuadé jusqu'au dernier moment qu'il ne
risquait rien Il ne pensait pas s'enfuir puisqu'il ne risquait rien"
pizone:
no, it's not true. Our king already made his mind to stay in his
beloved country and die in her arm. He knew communism pretty well. He
knew that the commu will kill him and his family members one way or
the other. Still, he bravely decided to stay the fight the last battle
of the secret war, which i call it the "peaceful war". He sacrificed
his life for the life of our Lao nation and for us all lao people.
Dr. souk: "Les responsables pathet lao disent qu'ils l'ont envoyé à
Sop hao..."
pizone:
if you refer the pathet lao to the former newlao hakxad, then it
doesn't matter what these people said. They just poppet of the commu
viets at hanoi who already have a detail plan for killing the king and
others.
Dr. souk: "De toutes les façons, les dirigeants neo lao haksat
(beaucoup sont des anciens lao itsala) ont un très mauvais souvenir de
la famille royale, qui au temps de la fin de la 2è guerre mondiale
avait refusé de coopérer avec le Lao itsala et se prononcer pour
l'indépendance."
pizone:
this kind of argument is mainly used by the communist party to
practice the old damn western strategy, "divide and conquer". Divide
vangluang and vangNaa then destroy both.
In fact, there's conflict in any organization, at any level. The
vangluang, vangnaa, and vanglang is divided according to our lao
traditional form of government. There's no serious or life&death
conflict like the commu try to paint the picture and still carry on
this kind of tactic to separate us for ever, and it seems to work for
them very well.
Concerning Lao Issara issue:
The truth is, at top national level, during the war for independence,
after ww II, the strategy of our nation is just "do what ever it take,
at all cost" to regain our Lao Lanexang independence back. At time, we
are so divided and almost completely destroyed by the Siam...
From the outsiders and some Lao HouaKheeLeuay point of view, it may
look like the King (gov. Under French control) and Chao Petjaraj force
(Lao Issara) are two different fighting forces. In reality, these two
forces are one, fought for the same unique goal, that is the
independence for our country. They simply, but secretly executed in
two different ways.
Think about this:
What the royal gov. (the king) can do, when there's French gun points
to his head? in another words, the French force are more powerful than
any one country in the region can resist.
* The best thing to do is "if you can't bit them, go with them".
Just go with them and stay under the French control for ever is enough
for Laos?
* the answer would be no, and that's why the Lao Issara is created to
fight for independence, in another form, but they are one people, one
lao force for independent and they're secretly well cooperate... that
bring our country to a more completed independence till today...
......
Hakpheng
pizone
Lao Nation
Are these publishing in Book? can you give me infomation? If so, do
they publish in English or Lao? if in English would be great for me,
if in Lao I will try to read and understand...please forward
infomation to my email where can I buy this book. Thank You
Resspectfully
Lao Nation
"drsouk" <drs...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:<9k1l8e$7ud$1...@wanadoo.fr>...
Samakhi Bopenphakniyom
Samakhi Bopenphakniyom
> French. At Xieng-khouang, the lao phouan civic guard of Chao Xay Kham and
> the Hmong of Touby open the way to French while hunting the vietnamese
> militia out of the city. End September, on the Mékong only two cities
This man Saykham is the traitor of Laos country. He joining with Hmong
for secession activity. His ancestor also traitor against Lao country
to capture Chao Anou for Siamese torture pleasure.
Hakpheng
Aryalath Aaosavanh
Thanks for your reply to my long posting. Now I understood your
position. I really appreciated your hard work of publishing a detail
on Laos’s history since 1945. It required a lot of work and
personal commitment to do so. I read all of them (1..6) and hope that
this will educate of Lao youth people to understand Lao most recent
history.
As I said earlier, with your respected status within the Lao exiled
community, you have a moral responsibility to make (educate) our Lao
children to understand and remember who they are, where they come from
and why they have to come here. Please continue you hard work for the
best of our Lao people and for their children.
Best regards,
Aryalath
noi...@hotmail.com (Noiy) wrote in message news:<f207bd49.01073...@posting.google.com>...
AKM 74
The Lao State(Pathet Lao) is alive and well, Pizone. It is you and I that
failed to notice it. Could it be that we're too afraid to face our fear or
we're just too blind with hatred and blood thirsty? Whether you like it or not,
it is us that brought defeat and destruction upon ourselves.
Akm-74
thanouxay
You see that jumping too fast on your gun to shoot somebody down is
not wise and I do appreciate that you also have the gutt to recognise
that you are wrong. Dr. Souk Aloun is a well respected figure here and
I do hope that all of us show him the respect he deserved.
I should also congratulate you, Aryalath and Anurutt for your very
good tactic of making everybody your ennemies. You blame everybody in
this forum and maybe under the sky, of being communist and soon there
will be only Thammawar and both of you to be non communist in this
forum. This remind me the Phoenix Campaign launched by the American in
South Viet Nam where they killed tens of thousands of innoncent people
and made the rest sympathisers of Viet Cong for the rest of their
life.
You may also have to reconsider to recycle the subjects of discussion
because all your proposed subjects are more than outdated.
Your Faithfully
Thanouxay
arya...@yahoo.com (Aryalath Aaosavanh) wrote in message news:<77ca1935.0107...@posting.google.com>...
drsouk
thanks you Thanouxay, but now everybody known that I work for CIA, KCIA and
KGB!!! (just joking). Seriously, I apologize all those that are harmed by my
postings. My intention is just to tell (as I can known) what happen in WWII.
Apologize also to Dr Pao that give me reference about a speech of Kaysone.
holywoman007
You mention 2 young boys boarding the plane with the King to ViengXay,
could you please give us more info of these two boys?
Old coconut holywoman007, mark phao neua tun
arya...@yahoo.com (Aryalath Aaosavanh) wrote in message
> The King of Laos was just murdered. It was simple fact. I already
drsouk
We have very good (lao) historians living at Vientiane. My friend Savčng
Phinith is the one. He had written (in lao) a book on modern lao history
(39-75). But it cannot published. We have published (in french) a short lao
history at Lharmattan (french publisher, Paris). The difficulties to tell
something about lao history is that wounds are not healed, so even you tell
truth it can harm someone. If this someone have some power, you can have
problem. Often, rightists say that I'm payed by KGB, and communists that I
work for CIA (just kidding).
John Scotts
Why are you coming to suck communist Hokhee here in this page. How
long are you going to continue to suck and lick communist Houkhee? I
thought that you are hungry about dog meat, suck Houkhee is enough for
you.. Don't put your name on the page which was not destinated to
houkhee sucker like you, OK? Wherever you put your name, you carried
only animal shit, specially dog shit to there. You sucked shit Hokhee
so much that your head is full with shit, specially commie shit. You
poisoned drsouk hard work here. Put you name in a place where mess
with fuck-buck-shit-suck-lick houkhe was reserve, or where it's said
reserved for dog only.
John
samak...@hotmail.com (Samakhi Bopenphakniyom) wrote in message news:<a036f627.01073...@posting.google.com>...
anurutt siriratt
ot; Pizone,
I agree with your discernment regarding "Complete Independence For
Laos" by any means, except 3 things:
1. The helicopter sending for rescuing His Highness King Sri Savang
Vathana and some royal members from Lpb was real,
2. "Interne or put in jail and presse His Highness for Abdication was
an action incaculable and impardonable for the "symbol of Lanxang
Sovereignty", by any group of any mean on any purpose,
3. Any Lao Isarat, Neolaoharxat groups or leaders...were best for
Lanxang to regain her lost sovereignty and full independence, with the
exception of 2 imminent traitors: Viet Kaysone and Nouhak, puppets of
comie Vietnam and secret principal signataries of the Communist
Indochina Party...
Regards,
as
Samakhi Bopenphakniyom
If Saveng was being the good historian, he would not be kicking out of
the Ecole Francaise...
Is it true?
Hakpheng
drpao
Apology accepted, Dr Souk.
The full text of Kaysone speech that Dr Souk referred to (in JPG in Lao) is
avaialble at:
www.lexicon.net/drpao/lao/
Happy reading.
Pao
ps. Another Kaysone speech about the "special Lao-Viet relationship" will be
available soon. After reading the second speech, it is is easy to understand
why Laos wants to erect statues of Ho Chi Minh and Kaysone.
drsouk
ok, but what about american, thai, south-vietnamese and kmt soldiers?
drpao
>
>sabaidi Dr Pao,
>ok, but what about american, thai, south-vietnamese and kmt soldiers?
>
>
Americans in Laos.... Yes... there are Americans in Laos and there are tons of
books on the issues so.. the CIA, the Air America... ect.. the jets, the
bombing... there is no denial from any one about the Americans being in Laos.
The Thai soldiers... yes... there are many thousands - how many... I do not know
but I know and I have seen many of them , met in Longcheng. Mnay of them died in
the Plain of Jars and around Longcheng.
The South Vietnamese... yes the incursion to the South of Laos to clean up the
Vietcong's sanctury - no big secret... and no one deny that even Souvannaphouma
know but he just did not want to say any thing.
The Vietminh, North Vietnamese soldiers "tha han Vietnam asasamak"... yes there
are thousands of them as well. There were in Nonghet when I was a few month old!
and I grew up in the jungle because all those Vietminh soldiers.... Then later,
we lived just next to The Plain of Jars... and we saw many of those Vietnmaese
soldiers... we killed a few that came to our villages and I even have a AK
riffle from one of the killed Vietnamese soldier - with ID as well.
Interestingly, during all those years around the Plain of Jar, I have never
heard or seen any Pathet Loa soldiers. All those killed soldiers around Plain
of Jars were not Pathet Lao soldiers.
The last encouter was in Samthong when the Vietnamese soldiers came - we, even
the students- were fighting the Vietnamese at Samthong. We were fighting at
close ranges, we coud see them clearly thru our binoculos...One of our friend
got killed and we, the students, had to pulled out. Soon after, the town was
taken over the the Vietnamese... then we loss our school!!
It is not that difficult to distinguish a Lao person and a North Vietnamese
soldiers - eve the dead ones. One has to be blind not to see the different
characteristic features between the two ethnic groups.
Dr Souk, have you ever seen a Communist Vietnamese soldier in Lao soil?
More later....
Pao