The Huns and the forgotten Korean
Ever Green
Europeans called them "Huns". Originating From the main land of Korea, they
invaded the Roman empire during the 4th century. Ancient Greeks historian
recorded them Scytians, and later European called them Mongols. Around early
4th century, the temperature fell lower than usual for many years in far
East Asia. It caused grains not to ripen, grazing grass land for animals was
scarce. For these reasons a large number of semi-nomadic tribes left from
what is known today as the Korean mainland to Eastern Manchuria.
Gathering other tribes along the way they proceeded to the Central Asiatic
step. From there, the mass of tribes went westward. Around AD 370 these
nomadic people arrived upon the Horizon of the Roman empire. They
established a kingdom along the Danube, on the prairies that are present day
Hungary.About AD 443, Atilla,the son of king Ruga assassinated his brother
Bleda and united the Hun tribes.
He lead the warriors onto ruthless and savage conquest;destroying anything
in sight, looting and mercciless killing of innocent people. He conquered
Germany,Eastern Europe and most of Southern Europe. The Huns were superior
horseman and combined with their archery skills were the bane of the
romans... they used a short, inverted bow made from few different materials
glued together. Huns iron arrow head was able to pierce any European armor.
Their horses were short in hight, but has speed and endurances, they were
also agile and smart.
Hun warriors, while twisting their upper body, were able to shoot arrows
behind them while their horses were running forward (referring picture).
When Atilla was young, his father Ruga exchanged his son with a young son of
a prominent Roman family, his name was Aetius. For ten years Atilla was
educated in the Roman court vise versa Aetius from the Hun kingdom. Atilla
was probably the first western educated Mongol in its history. Later these 2
men would confront each other in Gaul (today's France), in 451. Atilla would
go on to lose this battle and invaded Italy in 452 with Germanic tribes.
His army advanced to Venice (today's) and negotiated with a Roman
representative Pope Leo for 10 hours. All the while on horse back, Atilla
received tribute from Rome, and would thereafter retreat from Italy. Pope
Leo received the title "The great" from the church for his successful
negotiations with Atilla. Atilla married to a German princess, Ideco in AD
453. After his wedding celebration he died that wedding night, possibly from
alcohol poisoning. His people dammed the Danube river and buried him in the
middle of the river. They opened the dam for no one, so that none could ever
find his grave.
After his death, the Hun kingdom crumbled and his people scattered from the
Europe. He would be known as "the scourge of god" by the Roman Empire
because of his cruel acts. The Huns left a number of legacies in Europe
especially the Chteau area of France, all children born there have a blue
round mark in their hip as the Mongolians do today. The country of Hungary
got its name from the Huns, to commemorate the Hun Kingdom. During the world
war ll allied forces refer to Germans as Hun because of their relationship
with Huns in the 4th and 5th centuries. Funeral cultures of Europe are also
deeply influenced from the Hun.
(source:http://www.geocities.com/koreanhistory/huns.htm)
K
Mongolia, yes, but Korea? That's the first time I've heard. Even though
Koguryo occupied much of Manchria, I have never read that they invaded anybody.
I will check the source you provided. Thanks for the post.
In article <3cdce4f7$1...@marge.ic.sunysb.edu>, E...@no.spam.mail.com says...
William Park
> Whilt it is an interesting story, are you sure that the Huns were from Korea?
> Mongolia, yes, but Korea? That's the first time I've heard. Even though
> Koguryo occupied much of Manchria, I have never read that they invaded anybody.
>
> I will check the source you provided. Thanks for the post.
It was breath of fresh air for this newsgroup. I don't know why there is so
much trolling here.
Koguryo (one of 3 kingdoms) came afterwards, though. But, yes, the "Huns"
were originally from Manchuria/NorthKorea area.
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t-d
> Whilt it is an interesting story, are you sure that the Huns were from Korea?
> Mongolia, yes, but Korea? That's the first time I've heard. Even though
> Koguryo occupied much of Manchria, I have never read that they invaded anybody.
Hun's homeland was not Manchuria, still less the Korean Peninsula.
It is believed that the Hun tribes is a group of the Xiongnu from
north Mongolia. After they gained power, they also ruled Manchuria.
I have never heard the Xiongnu ruled the Korean Peninsula.
Ever Green
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Neither I think that Koreans are directly related with Huns but recently, a
Korean journalist introduced an interesting theory that "Kim"s who are
taking the 20% of the whole Korean population are in fact the descendents of
Xiongnu.
The Korean name 'Kim' is originated from the ancient loyal family that ruled
the Shila kingdom. According to this journalist's research, "Kim" was
originally "Moyong", a clan of Xiongnu who had invaded Koguryo in the middle
of 4C A.D. At that time, Xiongu invaders were defeated by Koguryo and a
part of them flew into the south-east part of Korean peninsular during the
war.
The Moyong clan were small in number but they were horse riders so they
could easily conquer Jinhan (a tribal country that was in the south-east
part of Korean peninsular before Shila) whose war strategy was still mainly
depend on the infantry force. After Moyong conquered Jinhan, they changed
their own name into Kim and opened the history of Shila kingdom.
Karl
Kims and Lees now is belong to the fact that when Japanese broke Korean
social classes, the people of the lowest level called "ChurnMin" got family
names for the first time, and Lee and Kim were given them the most. That's
why there are so many Kims and Lees which never once become one of the most
popular top 5 family names in the history of Korea but now the most popular.
"Ever Green" <E...@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
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Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
"Ever Green" <E...@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
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> > Hun's homeland was not Manchuria, still less the Korean Peninsula.
> > It is believed that the Hun tribes is a group of the Xiongnu from
> > north Mongolia.
Austin
t-d
> Korean journalist introduced an interesting theory that "Kim"s who are
> taking the 20% of the whole Korean population are in fact the descendents of
> Xiongnu.
> The Korean name 'Kim' is originated from the ancient loyal family that ruled
> the Shila kingdom. According to this journalist's research, "Kim" was
> originally "Moyong", a clan of Xiongnu who had invaded Koguryo in the middle
> of 4C A.D. At that time, Xiongu invaders were defeated by Koguryo and a
> part of them flew into the south-east part of Korean peninsular during the
> war.
Moyong was not a clan of the Xiongnu but of the Xianbei from south
Mongolia. It is known that founders of Chinese dynasties of Sui and
Tang had Xianbei blood.
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t-d
Austin So
> K <meridi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Whilt it is an interesting story, are you sure that the Huns were from Korea?
> > Mongolia, yes, but Korea? That's the first time I've heard. Even though
> > Koguryo occupied much of Manchria, I have never read that they invaded anybody.
> Koguryo (one of 3 kingdoms) came afterwards, though. But, yes, the "Huns"
> were originally from Manchuria/NorthKorea area.
Hmmm...I though the rise of the Huns coincides quite well with the rise of Koguryo, methinks. The
fall of the later Han (~200AD?) was in part due to the exploits of Koguryo as well as consolidation
of the Mongol tribes...which would date it around the same time.
I've got a date somewhere for the first mention of Koguryo in chinese history texts...gotta go look
it up again...
Austin
tksung
> The Huns and the forgotten Korean
>
related to Koreans, it's a stretch to call them Koreans. I don't
think they are any more related to Koreans than Turks are, who were
supposed to be subjugates to Xiongnus prior to being forced out to the
west.
William Park
Difficult to tell exactly. Although present-day Manchuria/NorthKorea was the
"home base", Hun expansion did not take place over night. As the empire grew,
alliances were made and broken; this is no different from today's geopolitics.
tksung
>
> Europeans called them "Huns". Originating From the main land of Korea, they
> invaded the Roman empire during the 4th century. Ancient Greeks historian
> recorded them Scytians, and later European called them Mongols.
>
Yueh-Chi people, certainly not related to Koreans, Mongols or
Xiung-Nus. Huns in general does not refer to a particular people, but
used in the sense of "barbarians".
ugly duckling
Many Koreans take it for granted that they are Han Chinese just because
their last name is not Kim or Choi or Park.
But the fact is Sung are not Han Chinese either.
Even the name Han itself is copied by the Chinese people, because
of the fame of the Chosun Han people. They perverted the history so
much so that the Ko-Chosun people were always inferior, where
in fact it is the Ko-Chosun people who pratically brouhgt so many
good things to Chinese civilization.
ugly duckling
"tksung" <tae_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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David Chan
> Sung is not exactly a Han chinese, is it?
>
> Many Koreans take it for granted that they are Han Chinese just because
> their last name is not Kim or Choi or Park.
> But the fact is Sung are not Han Chinese either.
>
> Even the name Han itself is copied by the Chinese people, because
> of the fame of the Chosun Han people. They perverted the history so
> much so that the Ko-Chosun people were always inferior, where
> in fact it is the Ko-Chosun people who pratically brouhgt so many
> good things to Chinese civilization.
>
> ugly duckling
Ko-Chosun? Sound like fitting maid names. Maybe your ancestors once
were maids in a Chinese palace? I wouldn't be surprised if your sister
still is lol.
LEE LEO
Come on Chink! You can NOT trying to attack other people when your ugly
culture imposed foot binding on over 1 billion women for 1,000 years, Chink!
Get the real truth chink not just uttering your dirt ugly mouth, dumb chinese
boy!
mike mackim
Hey about 1 billions victim of foot binding chinese women which last
over 1,000 year old. Gosh..that is worst than any maid working huh...
hey you chink boy just wanting to ignore those history, right?
Jay Lee
All the Korean, Chinese, Japanese and all east Asians are believed
that they are from the same region Mongol. Mongolians have come down
to the warmer region in South and it is belived that one stream of
that movement were splited to China and Korea. Later on, people in
China came down to the South east Asia. Experts believe that Japanese
ancestary people probably came down to Japan island from Korean
peninsula when the sea were frozen.
I am NOT saying this is the absolute truth but this theory is believed
by world-wide scholars now.
K
Historically, Koreans were supposed to have
come from Asia Minor. Crossing the Mongolian
desert, some stayed there and became Mongolians.
Further advancing, some stayed in Manchuria
and others went all the way to Korea. That
explains why Turkish, Mongolian, Manchurian,
and Korean belong to the same language group,
Uralic part of Uralic-Altaic language group.
The other, Altaic, consists of Hungarian,
Finnish, and I believe Estonian.
The part I disagree with you is the origin
of Chinese. I don't think they came from
Mongolia.
In article <593f5930.02051...@posting.google.com>,
korea...@email.com says...
K
China before Korean Han. The fact is that
the Koreans did copy a lot from Chinese.
It is nothing to be shamed about. Everybody
copies from somebody else. For instance,
what is American culture? It is borrowed European?
Where did Europeans get theirs?
In article <IYaE8.17121$15....@www.newsranger.com>,
daveiny...@hotmail.comnospam says...
unio...@gmail.com
THE WHANG-HA CIVILIZATION CAME FROM "HONG SAN" CIVILIZATION AT "JEOKSONG" AREA - INNER MONGOLIA NOW- And that "Hong San" Civilization was made by those NORTHERN ASIAN NOMAD people as origin people of Mongolian/Manchurian/Korean who use the Ural Altaic.
Han Chinese is belong to southern Asian with Tibetan-Sino Language group.
2002년 5월 20일 월요일 오전 7시 34분 49초 UTC+7, K 님의 말: