Andong Kims
I.Kim
clan.
Their origins?
Historical significance or lack thereof?
Any information would be appreciated.
Ypar...@my-dejanews.com
I see that nobody is answering your post, so I will answer to the best of
my knowledge. It depends on whether you are talking about old-Andong Kim clan
or neo-Andong Kim clan. Ultimate origins of either of these two clans are
not known and they are not related to each other.
Most kims are of 1 Kyeongju Kim derivation and their relations (ie.
branched off from royal clan of Shilla, reputed descendents of Kim Al-ji) I
talked about the ultimate origin of this clan in other places but I do not
think that is what you are asking. Kim Jong Pil and Kim Dae Jung belong to
this clan even though authenticity of Kim DaeJung's affiliation is in
question.
2 Kimhae Kim derivation,reputed descendents of King Suro of Kaya.
3 bunch of others who received Kim surname. For instance Kwangsan Kim is
from Koguryo but received Kim surname from Shilla court after they submitted
to Shilla. Yeon AnSeung, a male relative of Yeon Kaesomun also received Kim
surname. It is not known whether that clan survived and if survived which
Kim clan they are.
Andong Kim should be of 1,2 or type 3. I believe all old-Andong Kim clan
descended from Kim Bang-Ghyeong,a famous Koryo general who was involved in
anti-Mongol war and later, elimination of Sambyulcho that I talked about
somewhere else.(He also participated in Kubilai's invasion of Japan.)
They are also known for political intrigues and power politics known as
"Sedo Jheongchi" during late Choson period along with Pungyang Jho clan.
I forgot about the origin of neo-Andong Kim clan. I remember they were
quite prosperous during early Choson period.
Y. Park
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I.Kim
Are you saying that that the Kyeongju Kims, Kimhae Kims, and the other Kims are
all derivations of or related to Andong Kims? Or just referring to the various
Kims in general here?
Our family lineage is apparently of Andong Kim. How can one know whether one is
"old-Andong" or "Neo-Andong" Kim?
Thanks for the previous reply.
Michael Kim
: Most kims are of 1 Kyeongju Kim derivation and their relations (ie.
: branched off from royal clan of Shilla, reputed descendents of Kim Al-ji) I
: talked about the ultimate origin of this clan in other places but I do not
: think that is what you are asking. Kim Jong Pil and Kim Dae Jung belong to
: this clan even though authenticity of Kim DaeJung's affiliation is in
: question.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Kim Jong Pil and Kim Dae Jung both Kim
Hae Kim ssi?
Are you suggesting that Kyongju kims are the most numerous? Kimhae Kims
are the largest group by far.
You might also mention that a branch of the Andong Kim dominated court
politics during the latter half of the Choson dynasty, and if you can
trace your lineage to this group, then you most likely related to many of
the prominent families of traditional Korea.
M. Kim
Ypar...@my-dejanews.com
"I.Kim" <I...@None.Net> wrote:
> Ypar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> Are you saying that that the Kyeongju Kims, Kimhae Kims, and the other Kims
are
> all derivations of or related to Andong Kims?
No. I said 1,2,3 were all probably unrelated. Bur we do not know which one
Andong Kim(s) belongs to.
> Our family lineage is apparently of Andong Kim. How can one know whether one
is
> "old-Andong" or "Neo-Andong" Kim?
If you are a relative of the queen of Chulchong, I think you are of
old-andong Kim clan. (I believe Kim Jwajin the famous anti-Japanese figher
was also of old Andong Kim clan.)
Ypar...@my-dejanews.com
ki...@fas.harvard.edu (Michael Kim) wrote:
> Ypar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> : Most kims are of 1 Kyeongju Kim derivation and their relations (ie.
> : branched off from royal clan of Shilla, reputed descendents of Kim Al-ji) I
> : talked about the ultimate origin of this clan in other places but I do not
> : think that is what you are asking. Kim Jong Pil and Kim Dae Jung belong to
> : this clan even though authenticity of Kim DaeJung's affiliation is in
> : question.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Kim Jong Pil and Kim Dae Jung both Kim
> Hae Kim ssi?
I think you are right. I remember I felt an irony in clan origins of
Kim Youngsam and Kim Daejung. It must have been that Kim Yongsam was of
Kyeongju Kim and Kim Daejung, of Kimhae Kim.
>
> Are you suggesting that Kyongju kims are the most numerous? Kimhae Kims
> are the largest group by far.
No, Kimhae Kims number over 3 million, I believe ,and far outnumber Kyungju
Kims. But I do not know if you count all the side branches of Shilla royal
Kims.(that was what I meant by group 1)
Keum(of nothern china from Jurchen origin,Jin in Chinese pronunciation)'s
imperial male line was from Kyungju kim clan and I would like to find out if
there are any survivors from that clan among Manchus in the ongoing y
chromosome research.
> You might also mention that a branch of the Andong Kim dominated court
> politics during the latter half of the Choson dynasty,
>
I mentioned this in my previous reply. They were of old Andong Kim clan.
Austin Seo (Hae Jin)
Michael Kim wrote:
> You might also mention that a branch of the Andong Kim dominated court
> politics during the latter half of the Choson dynasty, and if you can
> trace your lineage to this group, then you most likely related to many of
> the prominent families of traditional Korea.
Hmmm...as far as the domination of the royal court, I thought that the Andong
Kim's started their domination in the early chosun period (marrying into the
royal line), and ended with the dowager queen in the mid 1700's. That's when the
pungyang cho's took over up until the rise of the min.
As far as illustrious members of the gu-andong kim's, also include Kim Gu and Kim
Ok Kyun.
I think the wife of ex-president...now I forget...was it Roh or Kim?
Anyway...their wife is of the shin-andong kim clan.
--
Austin Seo (Hae Jin)
Graduate Programme in Neuroscience
Centre for Molecular Medicine and Therapeutics
e-mail: hae...@netinfo.ubc.ca
Austin Seo (Hae Jin)
Ypar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Andong Kim should be of 1,2 or type 3. I believe all old-Andong Kim clan
> descended from Kim Bang-Ghyeong,a famous Koryo general who was involved in
> anti-Mongol war and later, elimination of Sambyulcho that I talked about
> somewhere else.(He also participated in Kubilai's invasion of Japan.)
I think the guy saved the king from being killed with a bomb of some sort...and
killed himself in the process.
I'm going from somehting I read, like, 5 years ago though...so be forewarned
that I may be off.
Ypar...@my-dejanews.com
Ypar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> If you are a relative of the queen of Chulchong, I think you are of
> old-andong Kim clan.
The queens of Sunjo and Heonjong were from (old)Andong Kim clan. I am not
sure about Cheoljong's. It is easy to find out if you have an access to
Korean encyclopedia of any kind.
Ypar...@my-dejanews.com
"I.Kim" <I...@None.Net> wrote:
>
> <P>It appears that you are saying that Andong Kims are derived from one
> of the other 3 Kim clans you previously mentioned?.. Thus not all Andong
> Kims are related, and for some, may even be a surname they adopted or took
> on?
Each clan is assumed to be of a common descent. There are two Kim clans
from Andong. These two are not any more likely to be related to each other
than to any other Kim clans. Type 1,2,3 are given as a convenient way of
classifying Kim clans in general.
Note type 3(those who were given Kim surname) is heterogeneous;I might,just
as well, have said "others not of type 1 or 2".
I do not know of any speculation as to which type is old or new Andong kim
clan.
>
> <P>You mention 3 Andong Kims:
> <BR>1.Descendents of the General
> <BR>2.Late Choson Andong
> <BR>3.Early Choson Andongs
No.
I think you totally misunderstood my post.
Y. Park
