The Protocols gained widespread recognition upon their translation into
English, in 1920. They soon became notorious. Esteemed newspapers such as
The Times and The Morning Post (whose Moscow correspondent Victor E. Marsden
was responsible in 1921 for the translation used in this document) covered
the story in numerous articles, much to the chagrin of world Jewry, who
immediately began the propaganda bandwagon rolling. They not only denied
that the Protocols were a Jewish plot, but also that there was any plot
whatsoever. The latter was quite clearly false to all educated men and women
of the time. "Probably so much money and energy were never before in history
expended on the effort to suppress a single document." The period of 1920
"marks the end of the time when the Jewish question could be impartially
openly discussed in public." (Douglas Reed - "The Controversy of Zion").
The Press was firmly under the thumb of the vested interests. Those that
went against the grain and published information on the Protocols were soon
brought into line or brought down by financial and political pressure. As an
example, in 1920, Lord Northcliffe, the owner of several newspapers, as well
as being joint proprietor of The Times, caused to be published in The Times
an article called "The Jewish Peril, a Disturbing Pamphlet, Call for
Enquiry". This article on the Protocols called for a proper investigation
into the documents. In February 1922, he set about a fervently anti-Zionist
mission, a series of articles about what was really going on in Palestine.
On August 14, 1922 Northcliffe died of ulcerative endocarditis. He had been
confronted on a train to Evian-les-Bains in June by the editor of The Times,
Mr Wickham Steed, with a doctor who had certified Northcliffe "insane". On
the strength of this he was barred from entering the offices of The Times by
a police guard, and his communications were ordered to be ignored by the
staff. All of this despite showing no outward signs of madness to those who
later commented on his appearance or state of mind. However, he had stated
that he believed his life was in danger and that he was being poisoned. This
whole story was suppressed until the publication of "The Official History of
the Times", thirty years later in 1952!
Thus, one man who had enough power and will to challenge the Protocols and
Zionism on an international stage to an audience of millions, who was
committed to illuminating the world as to the true agenda, had been removed.
The often cited "fact" that the Protocols are a "proven fraud", is easily
dismissed, as it is actually entirely untrue and based upon a very specific
court case. Numerous unsuccessful attempts had been made by world Jewry to
have the Protocols denounced as a forgery. But it was not until 1933 that
any legal action was taken in this respect: On 26th June, 1933, the
Federation of Jewish Communities of Switzerland and the Berne Jewish
Community brought an action against five members of the Swiss National
Front, seeking a judgment that the Protocols were a forgery and a
prohibition of their publication. The procedure of the Court was astounding,
the provisions of the Swiss Civil Code being deliberately set aside. Sixteen
witnesses called by the plaintiffs were heard, but only one of the forty
witnesses called by the defendants was allowed a hearing. The judge allowed
the plaintiffs to appoint two private stenographers to keep the register of
proceedings during the hearing of their witnesses, instead of entrusting the
task to a Court official.
In view of these and similar irregularities, it was not surprising that,
after the case had lasted just on two years, the Court pronounced the
Protocols to be a forgery and demoralising literature. The decision was
given on 14th May, 1935, but it was announced in the Jewish Press before it
was delivered by the Court?
On 1st November, 1937, the Swiss Court of Criminal Appeal quashed this
judgment in its entirety. Jewish propagandists, however, still declare that
the Protocols have been "proved" to be a forgery.
It was natural that the Jews should try to discredit the Protocols, for
their growing fame was focussing more public attention on other revealing
utterances (Waters Flowing Eastward - revised and updated by Rev. Denis
Fahey).
The second trial found in favour of the Jewish lobby and fined the
defendants 100 francs costs. But this had nothing to do with the Protocols.
It was due to another article which was included in the prosecution,
entitled Schweizermädchen hüte dich vor schändenen Juden (Swiss Girls Beware
of Dishonourable Jews). The court had stated that this was "Jew-baiting" and
an "attempt to defame the Jews as a body". The Jewish lobby, who had written
in their journals that the Protocols were a proven forgery later were forced
to change their stance to that their authenticity had not been furnished.
But a popular myth survives of the former stance.
The fact remains, that the Protocols are not a proven forgery.
The fact also remains that since their publication, world events have
unfolded exactly according to their description. We are gradually being
mobilised into a New World Order. The One World Government is being
facilitated by the gradual movement of nation states into larger power
blocks such as the European Union and NAFTA etc. The United Nations has come
into power as a global police force under the excuse of being a protector
and benefactor of the world, exactly as outlined in the Protocols. The Jews
have symbolically "returned to Palestine", as the State of Israel now exists
as the official universal "homeland" of all Jews, despite the vast majority
of Jews having no racial connection with Israel whatsoever.
I sincerely hope that the Protocols are a fraud and that there is no
conspiracy. But I believe that the information here presented, which is but
the tiny tip of an enormous iceberg, constitutes ample evidence of an
ancient conspiracy orchestrated by a self-appointed elite, who are at least
intimately associated with the core elect of international Judaism and have
been for a very long time.
JUDGING FROM ZIONIST ACTIONS IN PALESTINE AND HOW THEY ACTUALLY DEALT
WITH THE ISSUE OF OCCUPYING PALESTINE AND THEN TAKING OVER THE
POPULATION AND THEIR LAND OR KILLING OFF A LARGE NUMBER, I CAN SAY
THAT THE PROTOCOLS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZIONIST SCHEME TO CONTROL
THE WORLD AND ENSLAVE NON-JEWS.
THE BEST ANSWER TO THE ISSUE OF ZIONIST TAKE OVER IS WHAT IS BEING
ACTED IN A MOVIE CALLED "THE MATRIX." THE IRONY OF THE MOVIE IS THAT
ZION A PEACEFUL CITY WITH BLACKS AND OTHERS CONTROLLING IT AGAINST THE
CINTIUM PROGRAM (ZIONISTS) WHO WOULD KILL WITHOUT MERCY. HOWEVER
CLEVER THE CENTIUM PROGRAM IS "THE ONE" (POSSIBLY AN ARAB FROM
LEBANON) DESTROYS THE CENTIUM PROGRAM AND KEEPS ZION IN THE HANDS OF
THE MULTI-ETHNIC GROUP. IMAGINE MORPHIOUS, BLACK MAN, WAS THE LEADER
OF THE REBELS. AND THE ORACLE, A BLACK WOMAN, WAS THE PROPHET OF THE
REBEL MOVEMENT. BLACKS ARE DESPISED BY JEWS AS INFERIOR PEOPLE. IN
1973 THE FIRST BLACK FAMILY TO VISIT ISRAEL WAS HELD IN QUARANTINE!!
JUDGING FROM ZIONIST ACTIONS IN PALESTINE AND HOW THEY ACTUALLY DEALT
WITH THE ISSUE OF OCCUPYING PALESTINE AND THEN TAKING OVER THE
POPULATION AND THEIR LAND OR KILLING OFF A LARGE NUMBER, I CAN SAY
THAT THE PROTOCOLS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZIONIST SCHEME TO CONTROL
THE WORLD AND ENSLAVE NON-JEWS.
THE BEST ANSWER TO THE ISSUE OF ZIONIST TAKE OVER IS WHAT IS BEING
ACTED IN A MOVIE CALLED "THE MATRIX." THE IRONY OF THE MOVIE IS THAT
ZION A PEACEFUL CITY WITH BLACKS AND OTHERS CONTROLLING IT AGAINST THE
CINTIUM PROGRAM (ZIONISTS) WHO WOULD KILL WITHOUT MERCY. HOWEVER
CLEVER THE CENTIUM PROGRAM IS "THE ONE" (POSSIBLY AN ARAB FROM
LEBANON) DESTROYS THE CENTIUM PROGRAM AND KEEPS ZION IN THE HANDS OF
THE MULTI-ETHNIC GROUP. IMAGINE MORPHIOUS, BLACK MAN, WAS THE LEADER
OF THE REBELS. AND THE ORACLE, A BLACK WOMAN, WAS THE PROPHET OF THE
REBEL MOVEMENT. BLACKS ARE DESPISED BY JEWS AS INFERIOR PEOPLE. IN
1973 THE FIRST BLACK FAMILY TO VISIT ISRAEL WAS HELD IN QUARANTINE!!
If you visit London you can see the Protocols in the British Museum. It is
kept in a special section and guarded day and night! This is the original
copy!
Well it must be true if it is in upper case letters.
Are you out to prove that Muslims are idiots and incapable of inquiry
& knowledge?
Try "Protocols" at Google!
I MENTIONED THAT WHEN I READ THE TITLE I SEARCHED THE NET AND GOT THE
WHOLE DOCUMENT. THE TERM "PROTOCOLS" WAS NOT KNOWN TO ME THEN ABOUT
ZIONISTS. YOU CAN SEE THE SECRECY MY INDIAN FRIEND DISPLAYED IN
SHOWING THE PROTOCOL MANUAL TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD. HE THOUGHT IT WAS
FORBIDDEN TO SEE IT. AND IF YOU READ THE ORIGINAL POST ELPAREDON
MENTIONS THE FACT THAT IN SOME PLACES IT WAS FORBIDDEN TO CIRCULATE
THE DOCUMENT. ONCE I LEARNED ABOUT IT I MUST HAVE WRITTEN OVER FIFTY
ARTICLES INCLUDING REMARKS ABOUT IT.
On Dec 23, 11:41 am, "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I see by your upper case drivel. You believe the fraudulent Protocxols
of Zion and you insist
on your lines above.
Who are you kidding?
I've always though it didn't much matter if it a forgery or not.
What really matters is if it is a reflection of Zionist ideology,
which it most certainly is.
THERE IS NOTHING FRAUDULENT ABOUT THE PROTOCOLS, UNLESS YOU CONSIDER TALMUD
FRAUDULENT, AFTER ALL IT ADVOCATES ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THINGS
>The Protocols were initially published in the Russian newspaper Snamia in
>1903 and are believed to have been also published in 1902/1903 in the
>newspaper Moskowskija Wiedomosti. Despite a copy of the book written by
>Professor Sergyei Nilus (an official at the Department of Foreign Relations
>at Moscow) being registered in the British Museum on August 10th, 1906, they
>were otherwise unknown outside of Russia until after the Bolshevik
>Revolution when Russian emigrants took copies to North America and Germany.
>In Bolshevik Russia, they carried the death sentence for anyone found to be
>in possession of them. (As far as I am aware, the entire document deposited
>in the British Museum has never been fully translated into English).
>
>The Protocols gained widespread recognition upon their translation into
>English, in 1920. They soon became notorious. Esteemed newspapers such as
>The Times and The Morning Post (whose Moscow correspondent Victor E. Marsden
>was responsible in 1921 for the translation used in this document) covered
>the story in numerous articles, much to the chagrin of world Jewry, who
>immediately began the propaganda bandwagon rolling. They not only denied
>that the Protocols were a Jewish plot, but also that there was any plot
>whatsoever.
Can you imagine such noive, such chutzpah, to actually deny that a
jewish plot exists? Next they'll be denying that Muhammad was a
"prophet", although it seems perfectly clear that a caravan raider,
mass murderer, and slave owner must certainly be a holy man, at the
very least, a "prophet".
You are poor, lost, plagiarizing moron.
On Dec 23, 1:28 pm, "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
MOST CERTAILY IS.
THE MAN TOLD YOU OFF.
It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have
millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the
use of force. The following points will make it clear, that far from being
spread by the sword, it was Islam's inherent force of truth, reason and
logic that was responsible for its rapid spread.
1. Islam means Peace
Islam comes from the root word 'salaam', which means peace. It also means
submitting one's will to Almighty God. Thus Islam is a religion of peace,
which is acquired by submitting one's will to the will of the Supreme
Creator, Allah (swt).
2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace
Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining
peace and harmony. There are many who would disrupt it for their own vested
interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely
for this reason that we have the police force, which uses force against
criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in society. Islam
promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to struggle and
fight against oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times,
require the use of force. In Islam force may only be used to promote peace
and justice.
3. Opinion of historian De Lacy O'Leary
The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is
given by the noted historian De Lacy O'Leary in the book "Islam at the cross
roads" (Page 8):
"History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims
sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon
conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that
historians have ever repeated."
4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years
Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the
sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to
Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who
could openly give the 'adhaan', that is the Muslims' call for prayers.
5. Fourteen million Arabs are Coptic Christians
Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British
ruled, and for a few years the French ruled, but overall, the Muslims ruled
Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic
Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the
sword, there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a
Christian.
6. More than 80% non-Muslims in India
The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. These Muslim rulers did
not use any force in order to convert people to Islam. Today more than 80%
of the population of India consists of non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim
Indians are testimony today that Islam was not spread by the sword, nor was
any force used for conversion to Islam.
7. Indonesia and Malaysia
Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world.
The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, "Which Muslim
army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?"
8. East Coast of Africa
Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may
again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, "Which Muslim army went to the
East Coast of Africa?"
9. Thomas Carlyle
The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book "Heroes and Hero worship",
refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: "The sword indeed,
but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is
precisely in a minority of one. In one man's head alone. There it dwells as
yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against
all men. That he takes a sword and tries to propagate with that, will do
little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will
propagate itself as it can."
10. No compulsion in religion
With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use
it to spread Islam because the Qur'an says in the following verse: "Let
there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error"
[Al-Qur'an 2:256]
11. Sword of the Intellect
It is the sword of intellect. The sword that conquers the hearts and minds
of people. The Qur'an says in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse 125: "Invite
(all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue
with them in ways that are best and most gracious." [Al-Qur'an 16:125]
12. Increase in the world religions from 1934 to 1984
An article in Reader's Digest 'Almanac', year book 1986, gave the statistics
of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a
century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in 'The Plain Truth'
magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235 percent, while
Christianity had increased only by a mere 47 percent. May one ask, which war
took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?
13. Islam is the fastest growing religion
Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe. Today the
fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion
in Europe is Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept
Islam in such large numbers?
14. Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson
Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson rightly says, "People who worry that nuclear
weaponry will one day fall in the hands of the Arabs, fail to realize that
the Islamic bomb has been dropped already, it fell the day MUHAMMAD was
born".
( The author is the president of Islamic Research Foundation, Mumbai. Email:
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Prophet Muhammad's Charter of Privileges to Christians
Letter to the Monks of St. Catherine Monastery
Dr. A. Zahoor and Dr. Z. Haq
In 628 C.E. Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) granted a Charter of Privileges to the
monks of St. Catherine Monastery in Mt. Sinai. It consisted of several
clauses covering all aspects of human rights including such topics as the
protection of Christians, freedom of worship and movement, freedom to
appoint their own judges and to own and maintain their property, exemption
from military service, and the right to protection in war.
An English translation of that document is presented below.
* This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who
adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants,
the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my
citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No
compulsion is to be on them.
* Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks
from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to
damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses.
* Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey
His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against
all that they hate.
* No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.
* The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a
Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be
prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be
respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the
sacredness of their covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day
(end of the world).
This charter of privileges has been honoured and faithfully applied by
Muslims throughout the centuries in all lands they ruled.
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Want proof that you are insane? Ok, here it is:
You actually expect me to read the below.
> Want proof that you are insane? Ok, here it is:
> You actually expect me to read the below.
He never asked you to read it, lunatic.
The post was not addressed to any one, or a response to a poster.
Go finish high school in Israel, jew boy.
> Question: How can Islam be called the religion of peace, when it was
> spread by the sword? (Al-Bukhari).
That understates the problem. Islam was spread by the sword
and punitive measures against those who declined to convert.
As late as 1896 they were still at it in places like Afghanistan.
Islam is incapable of peaceful and tolerant coexistence with
other faiths on an equal basis. There is an Islamic supremacist
imperative implicit in the Koran ( Sura 9 IIRC ) which makes
this quite clear. Until this Sura and the literature that justifies
it is repudiated explicitly conflict is inevitable.
IBM
> Want proof that you are insane? Ok, here it is:
> You actually expect me to read the below.
He never asked you to read it, lunatic.
The post was not addressed to any one, or a response to a poster.
Go finish high school in Israel, jew boy.
"Go finish high school in Israel, jew boy."
The answer to "Islam Is The Light Of America" is in the Islamic
sentance above!
Alex is so incredibly stupid that he reported an obvious statire story
[http://www.theonion.com/content/node/35522] as being true.
Poor stupid Alex will believe anything.
Crap!
Muslems and Jews together ruled Spain for 800 years. Not a single Spaniard
or a Jew was forced to accept Islam. Visit the famous muslim compound in
Andalusia, and you will see a synagogue right alongside the great mosque. If
Islam was spread by the sword then millions of Jews who lived in muslim
countries would have been muslims! Right? The greatest Jewish philosopher
Maimonides lived amongst the muslims all his life, and would have never had
it any other way. He is buried in Cairo.
That is a lie, and it is strictly forbidden by the Holy Quran to impose any
religion on anyone. Name one single person who was forced to accept Islam!
Just one!
BTW in 1812, a river of blood ran down Slavija hill to river Sava, from the
heads of many thousands of muslims who refused to accept Christianity whose
heads were cut of by the Serbian Christians
>
> Islam is incapable of peaceful and tolerant coexistence with
> other faiths on an equal basis.
Islam has lived in peace with Jews for a millenium. There are 15 million
Christians living in all muslim countries of Middle East. There are no
pogroms and Holocausts, and never have been against them
There is an Islamic supremacist
> imperative implicit in the Koran ( Sura 9 IIRC ) which makes
> this quite clear. Until this Sura and the literature that justifies
> it is repudiated explicitly conflict is inevitable.
That is a lie!
ALMOST ALL THE INCIDENTS AGAINST JEWS, VANDALISM ETC. HAS BEEN PERFORMED BY
EITHER JEWS THEMSELVES, OR BY CHRISTIANS1
You do not have to search far to confirm the fact that Protocols are real
and are a ZioNazi plan to dominate all and everything in the world, just
check all the things that Jews have already done to conform with the
Protocols!
2. Ideology of Muslims is one of deep respect to humans-honors
people, women and children; honors society and the rule of law;
honors
literacy and learning; honors individualism; dishonors trespassing on
people and individuals and punishes those trespassers; honors peoples
of books including Budhists and Zoroasterism. Islam honors diversity
and sets the standards equally among all.
3. When Arab rule waned, Islam became stronger and spread rapidly.
Muslim countries never abandoned Islam even under the greatest of
oppressions. In the United States of America which hails Islamic
symbolism in many ways, black Americans never forgot their ancestors.
They were the most abused people on planet earth for centuries. Yet
Islamic symbolism stayed with them to alleviate their pain and
sufferings. When oppressions were removed off black Americans, the
latter became respecatble Muslims. You can distinguish a black
Muslim
from the remaining black Americans. You will find a black Muslim is
highly respectable and adheres to high standards of conduct. While
non-Muslim blacks lack such respectability and integrity regardless
of
their education. You must keep in mind the oppression and change of
personality of every black man is well documented and highly severe
to
the point of depravation. (I worked with black Americans and know
them very well.)
4. Terrorism is the anti-thesis of Imperialism and Zionism.
Terrorism is the weapon of the weak and defenseless. Suicide is the
weapon of choice when confronting an all-mighty force unparalled in
the history of mankind.
5. Islam is feared because the perpetrators of harm and injury and
dispossession are still perpetrating more of the same and Muslims are
the ones to stop it. Perpetrators have to change their ways as
Muslims will never relinquish their rights to survive with honor and
respect.
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The Britons were educated by the Romans a 1500 years before lol
2. Ideology of Muslims is one of deep respect to humans-honors
people, women and children; honors society and the rule of law;
honors
literacy and learning; honors individualism; dishonors trespassing on
people and individuals and punishes those trespassers; honors peoples
of books including Budhists and Zoroasterism. Islam honors diversity
and sets the standards equally among all.
Except most don't like Negroes.
3. When Arab rule waned, Islam became stronger and spread rapidly.
Muslim countries never abandoned Islam even under the greatest of
oppressions. In the United States of America which hails Islamic
symbolism in many ways, black Americans never forgot their ancestors.
They were the most abused people on planet earth for centuries.
I doubt it. You had the Arab and jew slave trade in the East long before any
slaves from West Africa were brought to the Americas. Besides, only 10% of
the trade was to the colonies, later to become the US.
Yet
Islamic symbolism stayed with them to alleviate their pain and
sufferings. When oppressions were removed off black Americans, the
latter became respecatble Muslims. You can distinguish a black
Muslim
from the remaining black Americans. You will find a black Muslim is
highly respectable and adheres to high standards of conduct. While
non-Muslim blacks lack such respectability and integrity regardless
of
their education. You must keep in mind the oppression and change of
personality of every black man is well documented and highly severe
to
the point of depravation. (I worked with black Americans and know
them very well.)
That's probably true.
> 3. Opinion of historian De Lacy O'Leary
> The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is
> given by the noted historian De Lacy O'Leary in the book "Islam at the
> cross
> roads" (Page 8):
>
> "History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims
> sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword
> upon
> conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that
> historians have ever repeated."
That's just jew propaganda like Islamofacism. The Arab muslims were not
strong enough to control Europe or other places simply by force. Europeans
were also trained by the Romans in advanced fighting methods and were much
larger physically than the Arabs.
>
> 4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years
> Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used
> the
> sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came
> to
> Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain
> who
> could openly give the 'adhaan', that is the Muslims' call for prayers.
Only southern Spain, the north was still Aryan.
It's due to immigration.
>
>"drahcir" <as...@asasgt.com> wrote in message
>news:tc00n316co21kcjj6...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:52:55 -0500, "ElParedon" <ser...@bellsouth.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Want proof that you are insane? Ok, here it is:
>>
>> You actually expect me to read the below.
>>
>>>
>>>Question: How can Islam be called the religion of peace, when it was
>>>spread
>>>by the sword? (Al-Bukhari).
>
>Crap!
Exactly. Why would you expect me to read crap?
>Muslems and Jews together ruled Spain for 800 years.
Try to remember to take your pills before posting.
Not a single Spaniard
>or a Jew was forced to accept Islam.
Remember what I said about your pills.
Visit the famous muslim compound in
>Andalusia, and you will see a synagogue right alongside the great mosque. If
>Islam was spread by the sword then millions of Jews who lived in muslim
>countries would have been muslims! Right?
Now you're just playing dumb. Oh wait, it's you, i guess you're not
playing.The different ways to treat "people of the book" and other
non-muslims are clearly spelled out in the koran - well, as clearly as
that ridiculous gobbledegook can spell out anything. Jews and
christians living in muslim controlled countries are allowed to live
as non-muslim dhimmis, without rights and subject to persecution and
jizya. In places where islam conquered pagan peoples, such as India,
there was no mercy.
" The world famous historian, Will Durant has written in his 'Story of
Civilization' that "the Mohammedan conquest of India was probably
the bloodiest story in history".
India, before the advent of Islamic imperialism, was not exactly a
zone of complete tranquility and peace like many other parts of the
world. There were plenty of wars fought by Hindu princes. Despite all
these wars, the Hindus had observed some time-honored conventions
sanctioned by the Sastras. The Brahmins and the Bhikshus were never
molested. The cows were never killed. The temples were never touched.
The chastity of women was never violated. The non-combatants were
never killed or captured. A human habitation was never attacked unless
it was a fort. The civil population was never plundered. War booty was
an unknown item in the calculations of conquerors. The martial
classes, who clashed, mostly in open spaces, had a code of honor.
Sacrifice of honor for victory or material gain was deemed as worse
than death.
Islamic imperialism came with a different code - the Sunnah of the
Prophet. It required its warriors to fall upon the helpless civil
population after a decisive victory had been won on the battlefield.
It required them to sack and burn down villages and towns after the
defenders had died fighting or had fled. The cows, the Brahmins, and
the Bhikshus invited their special attention in mass murders of
non-combatants. The temples and monasteries were their special targets
in an orgy of pillage and arson. Those whom they did not kill, they
captured and sold as slaves. The magnitude of the booty looted even
from the bodies of the dead, was a measure of the success of a
military mission. And they did all this as mujahids (holy warriors)
and ghazls (kafir-killers) in the service of Allah and his Last
Prophet.
It is estimated that the Islamic conquest and rule in India may have
resulted in killing of an estimated 50-80 million Hindus and other
indigenous religion people. "
http://www.islam-watch.org/AlamgirHussain/india.htm
"Koenraad Elst , the german historian writes in "Negation in India"
The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a
pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the
populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every
campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader
made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest
of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of
the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e.
Hindu slaughter. The Bahmani sultans (1347-1480) in central India made
it a rule to kill 100,000 captives in a single day, and many more on
other occasions. The conquest of the Vijayanagar empire in 1564 left
the capital plus large areas of Karnataka depopulated."
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/32812
If you need more education about islam, please do not hesitate to
call on me.
>
>"Ian MacLure" <i...@svpal.org> wrote in message
>news:Xns9A10AA7274...@216.196.97.131...
>> "ElParedon" <ser...@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>> news:3eTbj.48886$K27....@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
>>
>>> Question: How can Islam be called the religion of peace, when it was
>>> spread by the sword? (Al-Bukhari).
>>
>> That understates the problem. Islam was spread by the sword
>> and punitive measures against those who declined to convert.
>> As late as 1896 they were still at it in places like Afghanistan.
>
>That is a lie, and it is strictly forbidden by the Holy Quran to impose any
>religion on anyone. Name one single person who was forced to accept Islam!
>Just one!
BWAHAHAHAHA!!! FOOL!!!! Name one person who died of bubonic plague!!!
Just one!!!!
>
Hmmm, well, how about you give us all a lesson in Islam?
Here's part of chapter 9
[9.1] (This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Apostle
towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.
[9.2] So go about in the land for four months and know that you cannot
weaken Allah and that Allah will bring disgrace to the unbelievers.
[9.3] And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to the people on
the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Apostle are free
from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be
better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not
weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.
[9.4] Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement,
then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any
one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term;
surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the
idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege
them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and
keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them;
surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.6] And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him
protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his
place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.
[...]
[9.28] O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so
they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you
fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please;
surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day,
nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor
follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the
Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they
are in a state of subjection.
Give a verse by verse idea of what these verses mean to YOU.
lParedon" <ser...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> MANY MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS AND JEWS STILL LIVE IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES ALL
>OVER THE WORLD, FEW MUSLIMS STILL SURVIVE IN THE ZIONAZI STATE!
>
LIsten, you crazy moron, go to israel and ask the arabs if they would
rather live in jordan or syria or saudi arabia. The muslim population
of israel has increased manyfold since israel's inception and you know
it. Only in the muslim "mind" can this increase be consistent with
"genocide". Face it, you lost soul, you have thrown you life away
because of some arab-invented travesty. You did it to yourself. You
took whatever heritage you had and ditched it - for what? - for some
desert conqueror philosophy that made so sense in the 7th century and
makes no sense today. That's the sole reason you are crazy.
Jews don't like Negros as they were their slaves that were given an
altered state of behavior through breeding. Muslims made Negros
Muslims and made them Free. Christians and Jews made Negros
Christians and Jews and made them Slaves. A great difference.
An article by Mirelle addresses the slave trade and places the blame
on Jewish ideology that gave edicts to enhance slavery. Jews were the
slave traders based on Jewish convictions and practices.
May be it is time for you to drop the term "Dr." in your name and
replace it by propagandist, reverend or gospelian.
On Dec 25, 1:45 am, "Dr. Lippschitz" <d...@thehospital.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You're distorting the truth of their situation, dickieboi.
The choose to live in Ersatz israel because, to them, it's Palestine. Their
homeland. Nothing at all to do with living under the heels of the jackbooted
yids.
Why would they want to decamp and move to another country.
For every supremacist quote from Islamic scriptures, I can quote hundreds of
the same from Old Testament, but I would never do that, because I have
respect for the Holy books of all people, incvluding Jewish ones!
NANANANANA. Sorry, not relevant. YOU said that it is a LIE that there
is an islamic supremacist imperative implicit in the koran, NOT that
such imperatives exist also in the OT. I cited some of the chapter in
question that seems to prove that imperative. It is YOUR JOB to prove
there is no such imperative in the above cite, but of course, you
can't. Poor El. Your life would be so much easier without feeling
compelled to defend that ridiculous arab-invented travesty you call a
"religion" (what a joke). Why not make some use of your final years on
earth and give it up and instead search for your own meaning?
Do you have alzheimers or something? What the hell is your problem?
Everyone knows that "people of the book" were not converted by the
sword as a rule. Look at you. You are lying again, and for what? For
some arab-invented travesty that any objective person can see is a
complete, laughable fabrication? You sicken me, El, and not because of
your hatred, but because you have sold your soul, you are forced into
lying to strangers on the internet by something you freely chose to
do. What can I say but "pitiful"? It is so, so, so sad.
Notice that Muslims are to honor their commitments to idolators and if
the same sought safety among them they should be kept safe. Muslims
honor those who enter their homes for safety and security. What Jews
would do is to kill those who seek their help and take over their
homes. Christians have similar behavior.
The Koran makes all Muslims equal and the only superiority is Allah.
Here is a good translation "The Qur'an" by M. H. Shakir.
By the way, the Koran does not recognize Jews and Christians who lost
their books. In this sense, Islam is superior to Christianity and
Judaism.
I believe if the filthy practices of Jews were known at the time as we
know it now, the Koran would have taken stricter actions against
Jews. Obviously, Jews of the day must have had some kind of piety and
were not poisoned by Zionism. Imagine rabbis urinating and defacating
in their undergarments be known then. Muslims would have placed them
on the stake for their filth. Imagine if it was known that Jews eat
penis skin and suck on penises, they would really be isolated like
filthy trash. Worst of all the fornication with three year olds.
Islam forbids harm to baby girls and boys. If such practices were
true then as they are now, Islam would have annihilated the Jews.
I believe such Jewish practices were either underground or not known
then. As Jews were welcome into the Muslim community and well
respected. I personally don't know who would like these filthy
Jews. They are more like insects or roaches imposed on the Arab/
Muslim communities. I feel sorry for these Arabs/Muslims to have
these filthy roaches living beside them or among them. These are
Western Jews, Zionists.
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Typical.
Avi, don't give me "meaningful and fair". If you want to participate,
you need to give a verse by verse interpretation. I can call "mein
kampf" "meaningful and fair" - without the support, it means nothing.
For instance, what do you make of this:
and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.
Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement,
Do you see anything at all about "declared war on muslims"? The only
"crime" mentioned above is disbelieving, PERIOD.
>
> Notice that Muslims are to honor their commitments to idolators and if
> the same sought safety among them they should be kept safe.
Then of course comes the infamous 9.5, the basis of spreading islam by
the sword:
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the
> > idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege
> > them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and
> > keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them;
> > surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Meaning after the agreement has passed, go out and fucking slaughter
the idolaters wherever you find them, unless they convert to islam.
Muslims
> honor those who enter their homes for safety and security. What Jews
> would do is to kill those who seek their help and take over their
> homes. Christians have similar behavior.
>
> The Koran makes all Muslims equal and the only superiority is Allah.
Right. All MUSLIMS are equal to one another and superior (lol) to non-
muslims. Problem is, of course, by every objective measure, muslims as
a group are the cellar of humanity.
>
> Here is a good translation "The Qur'an" by M. H. Shakir.
>
> By the way, the Koran does not recognize Jews and Christians who lost
> their books. In this sense, Islam is superior to Christianity and
> Judaism.
Poor avi. Like most muslims, islam has rotted his brain, as the below
will evidence.
nt
My brain is healthy. Yours is not rotten. You are a deception,
trying to trash other people's facts held against you and your people
to disguise them (facts). Not only do I know Jews, but I also can
smell their filth on the Net.
Back to your accusations: Hold the Chapter as I am going to point to
you what is meant,
9.10, 9.11, 9.12, 9.13,9.14,9.15 indicate that these idolators (Jews
should have been considered idolators if well-known, but 9.10
applicalble to them) are breaking their words of promise, rebelling
and fighting Muslims and should be crushed.
You must keep in mind that these chapters are concerns of incidents
and responses to the same. In a way, these chapters are like state of
the union speeches in the USA by the president. The only difference
here is the president is the Prophet, the leader is the Prophet. This
should tell you that "prophet" in these days meant "Wisest Social
Leader." Solomon is a prophet. Moses is a prophet. Budha is a
prophet. Zarawaster is a prophet. Marx would be a prophet. Thomas
Jefferson would be a prophet. Islam never excluded other prophets.
In fact, Islam asserts that prophets were sent to all peoples at
different times. Now a new apostle comes by the name of Mohammed, May
Allah Bless His Soul.
If your really that Horny..Alpert and DuD are available.. ;-p
The man told you,"You do not have to search far to confirm the fact
that Protocols are real and are a ZioNazi plan to dominate all and
everything in the world, just
check all the things that Jews have already done to conform with the
Protocols! " The man is right. You are just denying it to save your
neck and deceive the public.
On Dec 24, 5:03 pm, "mich" <cop...@vidotron.cr> wrote:
> "drahcir" <as...@asasgt.com> wrote in message
>
> news:galvm3dfdon90ingr...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:04:18 -0500, "ElParedon" <ser...@bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >>The Protocols were initially published in the Russian newspaper Snamia in
> >>1903 and are believed to have been also published in 1902/1903 in the
> >>newspaper Moskowskija Wiedomosti. Despite a copy of the book written by
> >>Professor Sergyei Nilus (an official at the Department of Foreign
> >>Relations
> >>at Moscow) being registered in the British Museum on August 10th, 1906,
> >>they
> >>were otherwise unknown outside of Russia until after the Bolshevik
> >>Revolution when Russian emigrants took copies to North America and
> >>Germany.
> >>In Bolshevik Russia, they carried the death sentence for anyone found to
> >>be
> >>in possession of them. (As far as I am aware, the entire document
> >>deposited
> >>in the British Museum has never been fully translated into English).
>
> >>The Protocols gained widespread recognition upon their translation into
> >>English, in 1920. They soon became notorious. Esteemed newspapers such as
> >>The Times and The Morning Post (whose Moscow correspondent Victor E.
> >>Marsden
> >>was responsible in 1921 for the translation used in this document) covered
> >>the story in numerous articles, much to the chagrin of world Jewry, who
> >>immediately began the propaganda bandwagon rolling. They not only denied
> >>that the Protocols were a Jewish plot, but also that there was any plot
> >>whatsoever.
>
> > Can you imagine such noive, such chutzpah, to actually deny that a
> > jewish plot exists? Next they'll be denying that Muhammad was a
> > "prophet", although it seems perfectly clear that a caravan raider,
> > mass murderer, and slave owner must certainly be a holy man, at the
> > very least, a "prophet".
>
> > You are poor, lost, plagiarizing moron.
>
> Alex is so incredibly stupid that he reported an obvious statire story
> [http://www.theonion.com/content/node/35522] as being true.
>
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On Dec 25, 10:29 pm, "B'injamin Cr'amer" <yidsrbollo...@mosttimes.yes>
wrote:
> "drahcir" <as...@asasgt.com> wrote in message- Hide quoted text -
How the fuck would you be in any position to declare that with anything like
authority, dickieboi?
You're functionally illiterate.
EEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
That really is WAY below the belt, Don.
>
(snip)
By the way, "Cramer" hates Muslims:
"You seem to think I am a backer of these Islamic monkeys. You
couldn't be further from the truth." -- Posted by "Ben Cramer",
Source: Message-ID: <e2hlgb$opo$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>
RJ.
No, there is no hate there, or anywhere...He is just a troll.
Thank you doodoo. A glimmer of honesty from you at last.
Good boy.
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Tell all of us here what muzzie syphilisation actually produces
besides mayhem, shi'ite for brains, and goat molesting. It is like
excrement; it's only benefit would be derived from its removal...
Now back to your assumptions. Please read both "White Man's Misery"
and "Black Man's Misery." After that come back and tell us what you
think. Good reading.
Dear Airraid,
I know u r fear to say any think against islam,
u cont fuck as u said,
if u r really belong a good religious, u never used such words,
it shows that ????????????????
keep a good view for islam, no one muslim used such word for other
religious
thanks