Taryag Perl
Tzadik Vanderhoof
613"? I think not.... :)
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>> Tzadik Vanderhoof <tza...@my-deja.com> said:
> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
A coincidence with what?
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Drew Simonis
>
> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:26:17 GMT,
> >> Tzadik Vanderhoof <tza...@my-deja.com> said:
>
> > Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
> > release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
>
> A coincidence with what?
>
Isn't it obvious?
Tom Briles
"Taryag Mitzvot" is a Jewish (Orthodox?) belief that God's will can be
expressed in 613 commandments.
Or something like that...
- Tom
Tad McClellan
>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:26:17 GMT,
>>> Tzadik Vanderhoof <tza...@my-deja.com> said:
>
>> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
>> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
>
>A coincidence with what?
What is "Taryag"?
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Drew Simonis
>
> >
> >> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
> >> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
> >
> >A coincidence with what?
>
> What is "Taryag"?
>
It seems to be very closley related to the number 613.
Mystical, I bet!
Eliot Shimoff
>
> Tony Curtis wrote:
> >
> > >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:26:17 GMT,
> > >> Tzadik Vanderhoof <tza...@my-deja.com> said:
> >
> > > release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
> >
> > A coincidence with what?
> >
>
It's probably obvious to many (most?) soc.culture.jewish readers,
but note the cross-posting to comp.lang.perl.misc.
Taryag is the pronunciation of four Hebrew letters with a numerological
value of 613. According to Jewish tradition, there are a total of 613
biblical commandments.
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Tony Curtis
>> Drew Simonis <car...@attglobal.net> said:
> Tad McClellan wrote:
>> > >> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's
>> lastest >> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
>> > >A coincidence with what?
>>
>> What is "Taryag"?
>>
> It seems to be very closley related to the number 613.
> Mystical, I bet!
Ah, obviously I hadn't done
cpan> install Qabbala
Exit code 613, won't install without force.
I wonder if there'll be a release 666? :-)
Micha Berger
: "Taryag Mitzvot" is a Jewish (Orthodox?) belief that God's will can be
: expressed in 613 commandments.
Its source is a Talmudic quote. For some reason, in the middle ages it
became common for Rabbis to find rules by which they can categorize all
the laws of the Torah into 613 pigeon holes. Perhaps it was Aristotilian --
he was into categories and taxonomies.
The better known such lists are those of Maimonides' Book of Mitzvos, and the
Sefer haChinuch (The Book of Education).
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Micha Berger
:>> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
:>> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
: What is "Taryag"?
The gematria system for Hebrew goes up to 400 -- the value of the last letter,
taph. To get 600 you need to write taph-reish (400+200).
To write 613, you write taph-reish-yud-gimel. But that lacks vowels, as they
are indicated by special pointing, not be letters. Throwing in two patachs
(the sound of a in father or o in alot) for the vowels, you get "Taryag".
-mi
Tom Briles
>
> In soc.culture.jewish Tom Briles <sa...@texas.net> wrote:
> : "Taryag Mitzvot" is a Jewish (Orthodox?) belief that God's will can be
> : expressed in 613 commandments.
>
> Its source is a Talmudic quote. For some reason, in the middle ages it
> became common for Rabbis to find rules by which they can categorize all
> the laws of the Torah into 613 pigeon holes. Perhaps it was Aristotilian --
> he was into categories and taxonomies.
>
> The better known such lists are those of Maimonides' Book of Mitzvos, and the
> Sefer haChinuch (The Book of Education).
Thanks for the clarification.
If I had not been a dolt, and had noticed the cross-post to
soc.culture.jewish, I would have waited for someone more knowledgeable
to reply.
- Tom
Larry Rosler
> Tony Curtis wrote:
> >
> > >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:26:17 GMT,
> > >> Tzadik Vanderhoof <tza...@my-deja.com> said:
> >
> > > release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
> >
>
> "Taryag Mitzvot" is a Jewish (Orthodox?) belief that God's will can be
> expressed in 613 commandments.
>
Very much like that, based on a medieval (post-Biblical) enumeration.
The OP, Tzadik (which means Righteous Person => Saint :-), didn't
explain 'taryag', which is based on an ancient Greek system of
numeration in which each letter represents a numerical value related to
its ordinal position in the alphabet. The system is called
'gammatriya', from the value of gamma, 3 (the third letter in the
alphabet).
The table in the program below is fragmentary, to meet the needs of this
particular problem. As the Hebrew alphabet has only 22 letters
(consonants), the highest value is 400, so numbers 500 to 900 must be
combined. (Positional notation is used for thousands, etc.) The 'a' is
filtered out, because although the value of the consonant alef (eq
alpha) is 1, the 'a's in 'taryag' are vowels, which don't count.
Although 'taryag' is just a number (as evidenced by its sequential
nature), the conversion of real words to numbers or vice versa has been
the subject of millennia of mystical analysis of sacred texts.
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;
my %table = (
# Heb. Greek value
g => [ qw( gimel gamma 3 ) ],
y => [ qw( yodh iota 10 ) ],
r => [ qw( resh rho 200 ) ],
t => [ qw( tav tau 400 ) ],
);
my $sum = 0;
$sum += $table{$_}[2] for grep $_ ne 'a' => split // => 'taryag';
print "$sum\n";
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Drew Simonis
>
> In soc.culture.jewish Tad McClellan <ta...@metronet.com> wrote:
> :>> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
> :>> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
>
>
> The gematria system for Hebrew goes up to 400 -- the value of the last letter,
> taph. To get 600 you need to write taph-reish (400+200).
>
> To write 613, you write taph-reish-yud-gimel. But that lacks vowels, as they
> are indicated by special pointing, not be letters. Throwing in two patachs
> (the sound of a in father or o in alot) for the vowels, you get "Taryag".
Sorry for not noticing the cross post here either. BUT, now that
I know what the word means (kinda, I guess) can you explain the
relation to the Perl programming language? Is 613 an evil number,
or just the upper bound of the comandments?
OP... what were you trying to convey???
Micha Berger
: Is 613 an evil number,
: or just the upper bound of the comandments?
613 is the number of biblical commandments, which really translates into
categories of laws. Finding a set of categorization rules to get you to
exactly 365 prohibitions and 248 obligations is a challege.
In addition, there are 7 Rabbinic additions to the list. (Aside from
uncountable Rabbinic embellishments to the original 613.)
It is therefore considered a GOOD number.
David de Graaf
<l...@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
> In article <39492169...@texas.net>, sa...@texas.net says...
> The system is called
> 'gammatriya', from the value of gamma, 3 (the third letter in the
> alphabet).
I am actually pretty sure that gematriyah derives from 'geometry'. Why
would they call it after gamma and not beta or tau?
Craig Berry
: Tad McClellan wrote:
: > >> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
: > >> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
: > >
: >
: > What is "Taryag"?
:
: It seems to be very closley related to the number 613.
: Mystical, I bet!
Well, using the standard Hebrew letter->number mapping, it adds up to 613
(tav-resh-yod-gimel, 400+200+10+3=613.)
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Larry Rosler
degraafS...@SPAMMENOTiname.com says...
I chose not to mention that false etymology in my post. Clearly there
is no relationship between gammatriya and geometry.
I don't know why it wasn't called betadeutera or something; but as for
tau, what is Greek for 400? :-)
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cbe...@cinenet.net (Craig Berry) posted:
>Drew Simonis (car...@attglobal.net) wrote:
>: Tad McClellan wrote:
>: > >> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest
>: > >> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
>: > >
>: > >A coincidence with what?
>: >
>: > What is "Taryag"?
>:
>: It seems to be very closley related to the number 613.
>: Mystical, I bet!
>
>Well, using the standard Hebrew letter->number mapping, it adds up to 613
>(tav-resh-yod-gimel, 400+200+10+3=613.)
Very good. All you guys are great, including Tom who was right and
shouldn't be so hard on himself.
Crossposting at its finest.
mei...@QQQerols.com
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mei...@qqqerols.com
mei...@QQQerols.com posted:
Could have phrased that better. Add, Even if you hadn't been right,
you shouldn't be so hard on yourself. Esp. since you ended with 'or
something'.
Micha Berger
: I don't know why it wasn't called betadeutera or something; but as for
I think it's because different systems evolved, and gamma was the first
letter which uniquely identified the one that survived.
-mi
abe kohen
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> >> release is "build 613"? I think not.... :)
> >
> >A coincidence with what?
>
>
> What is "Taryag"?
What is "Perl?" (The scripting language?)
Abe
Drew Simonis
>
> > What is "Taryag"?
>
> What is "Perl?" (The scripting language?)
>
Yup. Now we are all confused!
Tony Curtis
>> Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org> said:
This is interesting but I think the perl relevance has
expired. Could people trim headers for this thread
please?
thanks
tony
Craig Berry
: > What is "Taryag"?
:
: What is "Perl?" (The scripting language?)
Well, assuming the 'e' is handled by pointing, we get Peh-Resh-Lamed,
80+200+30, or 310. :)
Drew Simonis
>
> abe kohen (abek...@cloud9.net) wrote:
> : > What is "Taryag"?
> :
> : What is "Perl?" (The scripting language?)
>
> Well, assuming the 'e' is handled by pointing, we get Peh-Resh-Lamed,
> 80+200+30, or 310. :)
>
Now I' _sure_ this has gone too far!
Jonathan Stowe
>
> The OP, Tzadik (which means Righteous Person => Saint :-)
If I had known I was in the presence of Simon Templar ... So does he
get to drive one of those Volvos :)
>
> Although 'taryag' is just a number (as evidenced by its sequential
> nature), the conversion of real words to numbers or vice versa has been
> the subject of millennia of mystical analysis of sacred texts.
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> use strict;
>
> my %table = (
> # Heb. Greek value
> g => [ qw( gimel gamma 3 ) ],
> y => [ qw( yodh iota 10 ) ],
> r => [ qw( resh rho 200 ) ],
> t => [ qw( tav tau 400 ) ],
> );
>
> my $sum = 0;
> $sum += $table{$_}[2] for grep $_ ne 'a' => split // => 'taryag';
> print "$sum\n";
>
Well Larry there doesnt appear to be a Lingua::Hebrew::Numbers module - I
think you know what you've got to do ;-}
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Jonathan Stowe
> abe kohen (abek...@cloud9.net) wrote:
> : > What is "Taryag"?
> :
> : What is "Perl?" (The scripting language?)
>
> Well, assuming the 'e' is handled by pointing, we get Peh-Resh-Lamed,
> 80+200+30, or 310. :)
>
Which was in fact the build number of a certain Activeware Perl based on
5.003 - spooky ;-}
Tzadik Vanderhoof
Tzadik Vanderhoof <tza...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Is it just a coincidence that ActiveState's lastest release is "build
> 613"? I think not.... :)
>
>ActiveState is pleased to announce the release of ActivePerl build
>615. For a complete list of changes in this release please refer to:
>
>http://www.ActiveState.com/Products/ActivePerl/docs/CHANGES.html
Nooooo!!!!!!
Oh, well, it was fun while it was lasted... actually, the changes don't
actually impress me as things I really need...
I think I'll hold onto my "build 613" for now! :)
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