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Sara "The Fist" Salzman Now Claims Those Fisting Posts are Her Sex Life!!!

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Ward Cleaver

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Dec 22, 2003, 11:13:07 PM12/22/03

From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: SCOTT "TUBBY THE WADDLER" BRADBURY'S IDIOCY STILL RAMPANT!!! aka
Re: Bradbury Linked To Stupidity

<<Look who has just been shown to be stupid and a LIAR!!! You, Sara "the Fist"
Salzman!!>>

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:21:26 -0700
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:21:26 -0700,
<catamont-CBF63F...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com>,
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en

Lurkers click the link just above to see the post Sara "The Fist" Salzman
replied to un-edited.

> Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:04:45 -0700,
>> <catamont-9743CA...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
>> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]
>>
>> ---Sara Salzman's irony of pointing out features on posts she claims don't
>> exist. If they don't exist and never existed then why does she know so much
>> about them!?
>> -------------
>> <start/quote>
>> > >[FORGED, ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
>> >
>> > FORGED, ALTERED!? I did no such thing you lying pig! Those are YOUR posts
>> > so I did not forge them! THAT IS FACT!
>>
>
>[BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED]

If those posts were "FORGED, ALTERED" as you have been squealing about (thus
implying I am the one who is being dishonest) why are you now stating:
"BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED" which proves I have
been honest and right all along? You did, in fact, post the "My Master Holds the
Rope Just So (poem)" and the fisting posts as well as some others which you had
NUKED from GOOGLE archives!

Once again for the archives what you have vainly attempted to distance yourself
from:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Message-ID: <98b5uv4hhf4l2vrn7...@4ax.com>

----AND----

Compare Sara The Fist's denial exposed in this very post and see how see
fulfills Ken McVay's treatise on liars:

"[W]hen you're living a lie, the lie has to get more complicated-they're always
contradicting themselves...so that the lie itself becomes self-evident."
-- Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project
http://www.peacemagazine.org/fulltext/all-vol13no2.html
(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: peacenik13_2)

Here is Sara proving she is a revisionist concerning her S&M Torture bondage:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=68b5uv0v7d3g0mt8h...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Re: MR. BRADBURY, STAYING STUPID
Reply-To: beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net
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In the above archive Sara "The Fist" Salzman made these claims (which are
false):

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman <LIE, BRADBURY CHANGED THE "from">
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Fist Fucking

<<Tavish comment December 19, 2003: As if the lack of a date is proof you didn't
make the post!?>>

> By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.
> Says so right on the label.
> We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
> Your mileage may, of course, vary.
> Perrrfect
> --
> It never rains under my umbrella
> ~~End~~

And you have a problem with this why?

<<Tavish comment December 19, 2003: Look at the subject title you fister to see
why you are comparing "Elbow Grease" to "KY" and let it be noticed by all you
did not deny posting the article!!>>

> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman <LIE, BRADBURY CHANGED THE "from">
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)

<<Tavish comment December 19, 2003: As if the lack of a date is proof you didn't
make the post!?>>

> In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
> Antoniou) wrote:
> > Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> > of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> > all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> > suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> > on to say *exactly that*.
>
> In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
> just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
> I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
> fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
> impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
> Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
> and "fisting" herself!

<SINCE BRADBURY HAS POSTED THIS STATEMENT HUNDREDS OF TIMES, PERHAPS
IT'S TIME TO POINT OUT THAT HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT THE "DUCK"
POSITION IS, AND HIS MORONIC STATEMENT ABOVE PROVES IT. IT IS NOT
SOMETHING A PERSON "ASSUMES," IN FACT, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A
"PERSON."

MR. BRADBURY INSISTS ON THIS FANTASY OF "FISTING HERSELF" BECAUSE HE
CANNOT IMAGINE THAT ANYONE ELSE IN THE UNIVERSE HAS A PARTNER. 'FISTING
YOUSELF' IS AS IMPOSSIBLE AS MR. BRADBURY SAYING ANYTHING THAT REEKS OF
A HINT OF SANITY. IT'S ALL HIS PERVERTED FANTASIES ... AGAIN.

I MEAN, LET'S BE HONEST HERE. WHAT TWO CONSENTING ADULTS DO IN THE
PRIVACY OF THEIR BEDROOM THAT ISN'T ILLEGAL..

Sara "The Fist" either lied or sought to divert in these examples:

1) HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT THE "DUCK" POSITION IS,

It has to be like "duck walking" we had to do in physical education in which a
person has their legs pulled up close to their body [which also would make the
crotch handier (in your case) for fisting]!

http://www.google.com/search?q=fisting+%22duck+position%22&num=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_qdr=all&filter=0
Searched the web for fisting "duck position". Results 1 - 7 of 7.
(Search result archived locally as: GOOGLEduckPosition)

Sample returns which prove Sara to be a liar!

Anal Cum Queens(by Dale P.Kelley)
... do a little self-fisting also, as her hand is wet to her wrist watch. At one
point, we get a glimps of her hand leaving her pussy in the classic duck
position. ...
www.rame.net/reviews/heretic/rev-114.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

Adult Sex & AMAZING New Porn Pictures.
... do a little self-fisting also, as her hand is wet to her wrist watch. At one
point, we get a glimps of her hand leaving her pussy in the classic duck
position. ... www.toyboxlinks.com/tour/photos.htm - 25k - Supplemental Result -
Cached - Similar pages

BTW I did NOT visit those links but the GOOGLE summary results are enough to
prove Sara is trying to divert from the fact she fists her own dirty crack! Care
to admit you are a lying filthy pig who fists yourself you pig!?

2) IT IS NOT SOMETHING A PERSON "ASSUMES,"

"Assuming the "duck" position" is proper usage of assume!

3) IN FACT, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A "PERSON."

If it doesn't then WHAT should "begin in the "duck" position"? You did state
precisely: "In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck"
position." so I guess you are now stating Laura isn't a person!?

4) 'FISTING YOUSELF' IS AS IMPOSSIBLE

FALSE!! If you can finger your worm ridden vagina then you can also fist it you
pig! And GOOGLE also proves you to be a liar!
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=solo&num=20&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=vaginal+fisting+&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images
Searched the web for solo "vaginal fisting ". Results 1 - 20 of about 1,870
(Search result archived locally as: GOOGLEsoloISTING)

There are plenty of "solo vagina fisting" returns which YOU can get off to Sara.
BTW I did NOT click any of the return result links but plenty summaries prove
that women can fist themselves without another person being there!

You also indicate you fist yourself by your choice of words: "I *did* state that
fist fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience." I still say it likes like a solo act you
are doing!

Also (repeated from higher up):

Sample returns which prove Sara to be a liar!

5) AS MR. BRADBURY SAYING ANYTHING THAT REEKS OF A HINT OF SANITY.

I have already proven you to be the insane one you pathetic lying bitch!

6) I MEAN, LET'S BE HONEST HERE.

You haven't been honest so far you lying pig!

7) WHAT TWO CONSENTING ADULTS DO IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR BEDROOM THAT ISN'T
ILLEGAL..

You wrote in the sense that your fisting was a solo act! Also by your debating
the issue in defense of an activity "THAT ISN'T ILLEGAL" in the first person
pretty well proves you made those fisting posts which you are now trying to deny
you ever made!

Stay stupid you lying pig!

Tavish

"...I'm a bitch and a filthy slut and a typical Jew mother. Oh, yeah, and a
fatbroad. And dumbtwat... I'm a little fool and a lying bitch and a silly
slut..." <--- Sara "The Fist" Salzman "confirming" what she is.
Archived locally as: SaraLyingBitch and SaraLyingBitch2
Message-ID: <schwartz-ya023180...@news.infinet.com>

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: V2.0b Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She Wrote
The FIST Postings! Date: 17 Dec 2003 19:40:10 GMT
Message-ID: <hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=ige2uvsjk0bfi54at...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Re: V2.0b Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She
Wrote The FIST Postings! Date: 18 Dec 2003 06:13:32 GMT
Message-ID: <ige2uvsjk0bfi54at...@4ax.com>
Despite overwhelming evidence Sara "The Fist" will keep repeating
her lies and remain in denial.
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Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:
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From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Fist Fucking
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p01.infinet.com>
Date: 12 Feb 95 04:19:44 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 13
NNTP-Posting-Host: p01.infinet.com

By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.

Says so right on the label.

We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.

Your mileage may, of course, vary.

Perrrfect
<END>

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Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:
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From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
Message-ID: <sschwartz-110...@p14.infinet.com>
Date: 11 Feb 95 13:19:07 GMT
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In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:

> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
>
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.

I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
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Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
and "fisting" herself!
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/2/image.gif
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=0ap6uv43dm8uefmm3...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Is Sara "The Whipped" Salzman Still Being Whipped by Her Husband's
Electric Whipping Machine?
Message-ID: <0ap6uv43dm8uefmm3...@4ax.com>
Date: 19 Dec 2003 22:00:00 GMT

--Nizkor.Org Director, Ken McVay, Condoning Child Porn--
"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
(Archived locally as: pedo_McVay)
Verified by John Morris with Message ID:
cf214uoohhmoqblmv...@4ax.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=cf214uoohhmoqblmv...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: John_Confirms)
(For the record this child porn apologist is funded by B'nai Brith
as shown here: http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
B'nai Brith must condone pictures of "naked children" too!)

Here is a photo of Ken McVay, director of WWW.NIZKOR.ORG-- does he
not have the uncouth look as to fit the profile of a person who
would say in general regarding child porn: "I am weary of seeing the
issue of "child porn" blown out of proportion (I've been on and
around the Net since 1988, and have yet to come across anything I'd
consider "child porn." I've seen photos of naked children, ... and
fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to our society)."?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
(Archived locally as: ChickenHawk_McVay)
Would any of you want to leave this person, Ken McVay,
alone with your children?

The Nizkor Project aka Ken McVay
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada

Does anything else need to be said other than the only way for Ken McVay to view
those pictures of naked children on the NET is for him to have downloaded them!
THAT IS FACT!!

Tavish

Susan Cohen

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Dec 22, 2003, 11:51:01 PM12/22/03

"Ward Cleaver" <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote in message
news:h0gfuv0k55032optc...@4ax.com...

> From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Re: SCOTT "TUBBY THE WADDLER" BRADBURY'S IDIOCY STILL RAMPANT!!!
aka
> Re: Bradbury Linked To Stupidity
>
> <<Look who has just been shown to be stupid and a LIAR!!!

Yeah, we know, same as always: you, Bradbury.

Sara Salzman

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Dec 23, 2003, 1:45:54 AM12/23/03

In article <h0gfuv0k55032optc...@4ax.com>,
Ward Cleaver <ward_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

Mr. Bradbury's obsession with my sex life deleted]

Yes, Mr. Bradbury, when you talk about me constantly and post all your
forged posts about me, that's an OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE.

Find another hobby, Mr. Bradbury. No one cares.

Sara

--
-My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call
is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong
you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!
-I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and
the bulk of my posts prove so! You can't discern the difference.
BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike.
--Scott Bradbury, who completely misses the irony of the above

Ahn Fyuh Wi Dizayah

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Dec 23, 2003, 2:11:11 AM12/23/03

> If those posts were "FORGED, ALTERED" as you have been squealing about
(thus
> implying I am the one who is being dishonest) why are you now stating:
> "BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED" which proves I
have
> been honest and right all along? You did, in fact, post the "My Master
Holds the
> Rope Just So (poem)" and the fisting posts as well as some others which
you had
> NUKED from GOOGLE archives!

Please post more fisting information. Thank you!

Keep those nails clean,
Stan "Hammerfist" Odom

Wally Cleaver

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Dec 23, 2003, 3:22:13 PM12/23/03

Sara "The Fist" Salzman is the quintessential expert on fisting and S&M Torture
Bondage and now the lying disgusting pig is trying deny her and her husband's
expertise in fisting and torture appliances!

Here is Sara "The Fist" Salzman's husband giving instructions on how to make an
electric whipping machine from an electric fan and please look at sara's
pictures as they give evidence what happens when the fan is turned on to HI.

Here is Sara's husband aka Cougar inventing an electric whipping machine and
notice the detail he gets into!

(Archived locally as: fanWHIPPER)
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=01bcb955%24e8324aa0%2440a...@crc3.concentric.net&lr=&hl=en
(Original Format was archived locally as: fanWHIPPER2)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=01bcb955%24e8324aa0%2440a89bcf%40crc3.concentric.net&output=gplain
From: "Cougar" <cou...@cris.com>
Subject: Re: Auto Bondage
Date: 1997/09/04
Message-ID: <01bcb955$e8324aa0$40a8...@crc3.concentric.net>
References: <340D79B7...@hotmail.com>
Organization: Cat Tales, Inc.
Newsgroups: alt.torture

There is a method of having yourself whipped, with a little work.

First, obtain a large household type fan, you may already own one.
Second, a timing device capable of being set to relatively short periods of
time, usually sold to turn lamps on and off in hardware stores. You will
need to have access to a drill, as well.

Open the fan up, taking the guard pieces off. Drill a hole about 1" in
from the tip of each fan blade. Next, take leather strips (boot laces from
any store will work for this) and knot one end through the hole in the fan
blade, leaving about 2 feet of the leather hanging off the end of the
blade.

Set the fan into a position to swing the leather strips so they will
fly parrallel to the floor. Set up the timing device to activate in a few
minutes, then stand within range of the leather strips on the fan
blade.When the power cuts on, the blades will begin to turn, the leather to
fly and you will be whipped by each strip as it passes. Start with the
fan's lowest power, but if that is too mild, set it higher.

Now, you might move away from the fan, so you might also practice some
self bondage to keep you in position, such as bent over a chair with your
ass sticking out where the fan's strips will strike your ass.

It isn't the cane, but that is best weilded by an experienced hand.

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Here are pictures of Sara Salzman:
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/2/image.gif
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif

She looks like she's been under her husband's electric fan torture
device once too often! :-)

Here is proof the above was made by Sara Salzman's husband:

This archived header proves Sara Salzman aka Sara Schwartz
aka Sara aka Perrrfect is the wife of Cou...@cris.com:

(Archived locally as: CompuserveSARA)
(Original Format was archived locally as: CompuserveSARA2)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=2&selm=schwartz-0201960750240001%40cmh-p077.infinet.com
From: schw...@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect)
Subject: Re: Compuserve
Date: 1996/01/02
Message-ID: <schwartz-020...@cmh-p077.infinet.com>
organization: Cat's Lair
reply-to: Cou...@cris.com
newsgroups: alt.internet.media-coverage

schw...@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:

>What a bunch of chickenshits at Compuserve for denying access to
>"pornographic" groups because the German government is whining about
>it.
>
>Funny... I don't see the German government getting upset about the
>Nazi groups online.
>
>Compuserve caved. I'm GLAD I get my addess through a provider that
>doesn't play those games.
>

Yes, Compuslop has once again decided they'd rather kow-tow to the
few, rather than stand on any principles. To call them chickenshits is
a bit unfair, however. To chickenshit.

[...]

I have heard that some folks posting on this topic have gotten flamed
for "supporting pedophiles". I don't know which trailer park such
flamers live in or I'd be asking the powers that be for a tornado
about now.

<<Doc Tavish comment: Notice that Sara's husband also minimalizes
child porn just like NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay does!! It only
figures this "Wild Bunch" would be allies!!>

Cougar

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Now we have 100% proof that cou...@cris.com is Sara's husband. Notice
that the post was made under this account:
From: schw...@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect)
Subject: Re: Compuserve
Date: 1996/01/02
Message-ID: <schwartz-020...@cmh-p077.infinet.com>
organization: Cat's Lair

BUT notice it was signed by Cougar and the headers show this:
organization: Cat's Lair
reply-to: Cou...@cris.com

Now I revisit this post made by Sara's husband:

(Archived locally as: ReneeISdomme)
(Original Format was archived locally as: ReneeISdomme2)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=2&selm=01bc415c%247211d820%24564153ce%40default
From: "Cougar" <cou...@cris.com>
Subject: Re: Is A Switch More Sadistic Than A Sadist
Date: 1997/04/04
Message-ID: <01bc415c$7211d820$564153ce@default>
References: <334d4cd6...@news.praxis.net>
<01bc4036$365e69a0$5241...@crc3.concentric.net>
<334719e5...@news.praxis.net>
Organization: Cat Tales, Inc.
Newsgroups: alt.sadistic,alt.torture

rain...@praxis.net wrote in article
<334719e5...@news.praxis.net>...
> "Cougar" <cou...@cris.com> wrote and I had to answer:
> >I'll stand and deliver, for the moment. I am one who did at least
> >_attempt_ to do the other side of the whip in a serious mode. Once. The
> >experiment (for that was what it was) was worse than a failure, as it cost me a
> >friendship.
:
> This one is very sad to hear that it cost you a friend....soemtimes we
> have to separate our friends from our sexuallity...not hide it from
> them, but not engage friends within it unless the friendship has grown
> out of it. Boy did this one make a bastard of that statement. Sadly
> too often when we go to bed with our friends and it does not work out,
> we lose both lover and friend for the relationship can never be the
> same...there that made more sense.

I believe you misunderstand. She was already in the scene. The event
that cost the friendship was the fact that she realized, as did I, who was
really "on top" during the session. She had asked for a massage, which
I delivered. She then asked what was different about what I had done and
a sensual massage. Being from Missouri, I showed her. At the end of that
massage I was clearly in charge and she had orgasmed.

She considered herself domme only.

> <minor snip for space>
> >Under no circumstances would I be able to replicate the experience of
> >being a female masochist in mentality. I wasn't raised female.
:
> Nope and for the most part even those who are...if they are not
> masochistic can not understand for the life of them WHY anyone would
> want to be.

An excellent example of your words are the Anne Rice Beauty stories.
How one can write a few hot scenes but not get the emotions behind them, I
don't know. You gotta be in the head and heart to make it hot in
reality.

> other than to keep the household budget and cook. Now a days there is
> more and more pointed towards young females and the slaves and subs of
> tomorrow may well give the Doms a hell of a run for the money.
>

As the step-father of a five year old domme in training (that is NOT
meant literally, oh yea of political correctness!) I think they'll give the
subs of tomorrow hell, too.

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

Yep I guess ol' Cougar was "just kidding" but then again who really knows.

For a fact Sara Salzman was schw...@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) and it is
proven here:

From: ssch...@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect)
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: F. E. Campbell dead
Date: 9 Feb 1995 11:59:22 GMT
Organization: Cat's Lair
Lines: 19
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <sschwartz-090...@p24.infinet.com>
References: <sschwartz-060...@p01.infinet.com>
<47.266...@hedonism.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.infinet.com

In article <47.266...@hedonism.com>, bill....@hedonism.com (Bill
Majors) wrote:

> Ummm...well here I go betraying my ignorance. What has Geoffrey Merrick
> written. I tend to remember stories, not authors. In fact had I not met
> Frank I would not have realized who he was except that his name was as
> prominant as the title of the books.
>
I don't know much about him, except that he published a series of hardcore
bondage books called the Tyler Series. They were wonderful! I'll try and
dig up the publisher and get back to you.

Perrrfect

--
"It never rains under my umbrella."
Pete Townshend

<END>

Same e-mail address plus here Sara Salzman is confessing a very vital fact:

(Archived locally as: Re_Double Standard)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=catamont-5FB93B.10103425042002%40news.concentric.net&rnum=1
(Original Format was archived locally as: Re_Double Standard2)
From: Sara <cata...@concentric.net>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Double Standard?
Date: 25 Apr 2002 16:10:36 GMT
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Message-ID: <catamont-5FB93B...@news.concentric.net>

In article <ORDx8.430$6y.3...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>, "Voice of
Reason" <voiceo...@blakely.harrogate.net> wrote:

> Sara used to post as Purrrfect One...

Liar. Never used that name. You've got me confused with someone else,
Father of Lies.

[...]

> or Sara Salzman

Yep. That's my name. I've been using it all my life, except for the time
I was married to my first husband. At that time, I used the name

> or Sara Schwartz aka Perrrfect

the "aka Perrrfect" part, if it's any of your business..

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

The above proves that Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> posted
as Sara aka Perrrfect.

Sara Salzman also confessed being Sara Schwartz as shown here:

(Archived locally as: Sara Schwartz_Salzman)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=catamont-2504982055590001%40ts008d17.den-co.concentric.net&rnum=1
(Original Format was archived locally as: Sara Schwartz_Salzman2)
From: cata...@concentric.net (Sara Salzman)
Subject: Re: Sara Schwartz/Salzman's _Je T'Accuse!_ (was: Jewish Ritual Murder)
Date: 1998/04/25
Message-ID: <catamont-250...@ts008d17.den-co.concentric.net>#1/1
References: <6gjtl1$f...@basement.replay.com>
<6glfrb$5...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <352E51...@earthlink.net>
<6gojdv$e...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <35311...@news.total.net>
<6gum6v$2...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <3533e...@news.total.net>
<6h1brv$b...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <3538c...@news.total.net>
<6hk9ue$fiu$1...@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il>
<catamont-220...@ts005d04.lon-co.concentric.net>
<353ff...@news.total.net>
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism

Mr. Sabatini:

First of all, I'm curious why you felt it necessray to re-name the subject
of this thread. Yes, I used to be Sara Schwartz, when I was married. I
divorced Mr. Schwartz and returned to the use of my maiden name. (Sorry
Gord, I *did* remarry tho... :)

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

Thus the above proves Sara Salzman's children have been exposed to S&M torture
and Sara's second husband is an S&M Torture freak just like Sara's first husband
who was also the father of her two children. Notice Sara's second husband aka
Cougar stated: "As the step-father of a five year old domme in training..."
Looks like Sara is addicted to the S&M lifestyle and is trying to distance
herself from it by NUKING her posts and denying they were ever made!

>Keep those nails clean,
>Stan "Hammerfist" Odom

BTW here is Sara "The Fist" Salzman's major literary masterpiece:

From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 14:49:12 -0500
Organization: InfiNet
Lines: 114
Message-ID: <sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.infinet.com

My Master holds the rope just so.

He knows me. Knows my moods. Knows the fear behind my eyes, both real and
imagined.

Those eyes widen as he gently lays the rope down, as he carefully,
methodically, systematically, lays the toys down on the bed.

Soft moans escape from behind gagged lips. I have been told to watch.
To see each and know that soon each will touch me.

He looks up briefly as he lays each down on the bed. Checking reactions.
Watching.

The short whip. A sigh.
The deerskin. The suede.

The small braided thong, the one that stings. A short moan.

The horsehair that stings but never marks.

The canes. The paddles. A pause.

I wait, knowing.

The small velvet bag that holds clamps. Clamps too severe for my breasts,
yet applied anyway.

A gasp. And then his smile.

He knows me. He knows I will take the pain to please him. He knows the
sacrifice I make to his Gods of Pain. He sees the torment in my eyes. The
desire to please. The love. The fear of the pain.

My Master holds the rope just so.

Through his fingers, around my wrists, making delicate rings softer than
steel. Stronger than steel. One on each wrist, a gentle bracelet that is
soon pulled tight, stretched to the bedposts and wrapped tightly. One on
each ankle. No matter how I tighten my muscles as he wraps the rope, still
it is perfectly tight. The circulation moves.
The ankle does not.

I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts.

But first, two small wooden clothespins bob before my eyes. I turn my
head, remember I am instructed to watch, turn back. The clothespins bite
the delicate flesh of each nipple. Grasp. Sting. Burn. He waits.

My Master knows me. Knows he can whip me, clothespins and all. Knows the
pain, where it will hurt the most, what I can and cannot take.
He waits.

The burning increases as the pins are removed. Ah, he will not whip me
with clothespins in place. But the moment when I was unsure, when the
blood pounded in my temples and the fear covered me like a shroud, then he
watched my eyes.

The whip falls. Which one is it now? I cannot turn my head to see which he
reaches for. But I know them all. I arch my back, try to stay still.

My Master knows me. Knows I will hold position as long as possible, before
the pain forces me to writhe, to turn, to try in vain to shield my
breasts. Knows the moment when I can no longer stay still. And precisely
then, says gently, "Don't move."

My Master holds the rope just so. Gently tugging at the knots, to release
arms and legs from bondage. Gently unwraps each wrist, each ankle. Rubs
each, and kisses the places where the rope has left its mark. The gag is
removed. I swallow.

"Kneel."

I crouch on the bed, head down, ass up, as he mounts the bed behind me.
His hands caress my ass softly, then spank sharply. Slowly, quickly, his
hand falls upon my ass. I wait for the moment, the pain/pleasure as he
will enter me. But not yet. First a gentle tapping, soft touch, as he
marks the place the cane will fall. I brace myself, plead with myself to
hold position, knowing each stroke brings a fire hotter than any flame.

Five strokes. Six. I have not moved. As the pain from each begins to
subside, a soft, half-sob. "Thank you, Master."

Eight. Nine. My knees give out, and I fall to the bed, sobbing. But
immediately back on my knees again. "Thank you, Master."

Ten. I am aware of nothing, save the pain. And his voice, as I am
commanded to orgasm, not from stimulation, not from his fingers or his
cock, but from pain alone. My body responds without hesitation. My
pleasure is screamed out for his pleasure.

Later, I will feel his cock inside me. I will feel the force as he thrusts
deep into me, bruising the tender flesh with his strength. Later I will
come, and come, and come, but only by his command. Later, we will lie
back, exhausted, as he cradles me in his arms, strokes me gently, whispers
in my ear.

But not yet.

Now he rises from the bed, returns to the toys so carefully laid out before me.

My Master holds the rope just so.

<END>

Tavish

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Sara Salzman

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Dec 23, 2003, 6:47:55 PM12/23/03

In article <1l8huvcqqgsctuekm...@4ax.com>,
Wally Cleaver <wally_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:11:11 GMT, <jURFb.80997$HH.2...@fe1.texas.rr.com>
> "Ahn
> Fyuh Wi Dizayah" <ahn-fyuh-...@thegreatslashtubitch.org> wrote:
>
> >> If those posts were "FORGED, ALTERED" as you have been squealing about
> >> (thus implying I am the one who is being dishonest) why are you now
> >> stating:
> >> "BRADBURY'S CONTINUED OBSESSION WITH MY SEX LIFE DELETED" which proves I
> >> have been honest and right all along? You did, in fact, post the "My
> >> Master
> >> Holds the Rope Just So (poem)" and the fisting posts as well as some
> >> others which
> >> you had NUKED from GOOGLE archives!
> >
> >Please post more fisting information. Thank you!
>
> Sara "The Fist" Salzman is the quintessential expert on fisting and S&M
> Torture
> Bondage and now the lying disgusting pig is trying deny her and her husband's
> expertise in fisting and torture appliances!

[FORGED AND ALTERED POSTS DELETED, along with Mr. Bradbury's obsession
with my sex life]

Susan Cohen

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Dec 23, 2003, 7:27:35 PM12/23/03

"Wally Cleaver" <wally_cleaver@mayfield01net>

& still another loser troll trick from the lying bigot.
I can plonk them as fast as he posts them.
Even faster than he can think of them.

Susan

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