Jesus
Sam Volchenboum
I have trouble responding to people who ask me what Jews think about Jesus.
If I say that we don't even consider him, this sounds elitist and turns
people off. What would be a better answer to these people?
Sam Volchenboum
Rochester, Minnesota (Brrrrrrr!)
vo...@fermat.mayo.edu
Samuel R. Kaplan
Why not simply say he was an observant Jew, who had differences with
the religious and civil authorities of the day? Also, it is difficult
to know what he really said and did and how it might have fit into
Jewish cultural history because of the mythic overlay that was applied
to his life by others. Furthermore, because he became the symbol of a
religion whose primary pastime over centuries was to persecute Jews,
his very name is anathema from a theological point of view.
Of course, what you say must only be true for you since we know that
12 of us will have 13 opinions. Also, it depends on what the person
asking the question is ready to hear. You are already sensitive to
that. I might just stop with the first sentence and not go any
further with most people.
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Seth Chazanoff
I kind of like your answer. How about "We don't."
Seth
Matthew P Wiener
>> I have trouble responding to people who ask me what Jews think
>> about Jesus. If I say that we don't even consider him, this sounds
>> elitist and turns people off.
So?
>> What would be a better answer to these people?
> I kind of like your answer. How about "We don't."
I prefer, "he was a nice Jewish boy who went into his father's business".
I recently used this line on one colleague, and she started babbling about
how it makes sense, him being a carpenter and all, and I had to cut her
short, saying, "uh, it's a joke".
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-Matthew P Wiener (wee...@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Jack Love
> If I say that we don't even consider him, this sounds elitist and turns
>people off. What would be a better answer to these people?
Personally, I like to recommend that people read good books. First,
this saves the necessity of getting into long theological discussions,
and second, it ensures that there will be a decent factual basis for
any ensuing matters. In this case, Samuel Sandmel (`alav hashalom)
wrote a wonderful little book called "We Jews and Jesus." It is
short, accurate, and pleasant (so you need not fear alienating any
Gentile friends).
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Rob Lockstone
Sam Volchenboum <vo...@fermat.mayo.edu> wrote:
>I thought the title would get your attention!
>
>I have trouble responding to people who ask me what Jews think about Jesus.
> If I say that we don't even consider him, this sounds elitist and turns
>people off. What would be a better answer to these people?
>
>Sam Volchenboum
>Rochester, Minnesota (Brrrrrrr!)
>vo...@fermat.mayo.edu
I am in the process of converting to Judaism. So if I say something
that doesn't make sense, please don't flame me.
I was thinking about this a few weeks ago and I think that I will
say that Jesus was a Jew who had a lot of good philosophies and
ideas which I feel some people took too far and blew out of
proportion.
If you get a chance, read the last chapter (I think it's the last,
or maybe just one of the last) of a book by Harold Kushner called
"To Life!". He describes how there shouldn't be any animosity
between Jews and Christians because we both need to exist in order
to make the world the way G-d intends it to be. I don't want to
get into his explanation because I might not do it justice, but it
makes a lot of sense to me.
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Marlene Miller
In a previous article, vo...@fermat.mayo.edu (Sam Volchenboum) says:
>I thought the title would get your attention!
>
>I have trouble responding to people who ask me what Jews think about Jesus.
> If I say that we don't even consider him, this sounds elitist and turns
>people off. What would be a better answer to these people?
I usually tell them he was a very good teacher, however, I don't agree
with their belief that he's the Messiah.
Marlene Miller
aa...@yfn.ysu.edu
Karl Kluge
Why not outline Jewish expectations about the Messiah and discuss how Jesus
of Nazareth fails to meet them?
Jeff Tucker
>In article <volcs-081...@vockley4.mayo.edu>,
>Sam Volchenboum <vo...@fermat.mayo.edu> wrote:
>>
>>I have trouble responding to people who ask me what Jews think about Jesus.
>> If I say that we don't even consider him, this sounds elitist and turns
>>people off. What would be a better answer to these people?
>>
>
>the religious and civil authorities of the day? Also, it is difficult
>to know what he really said and did and how it might have fit into
>Jewish cultural history because of the mythic overlay that was applied
>to his life by others. Furthermore, because he became the symbol of a
>religion whose primary pastime over centuries was to persecute Jews,
>his very name is anathema from a theological point of view.
>
The only problem I might have with the above reply is that it
might falsely give the impression that we Jews worry about Jesus
at all.
While you want to phrase your reply as sensitively as possible,
you want to be accurate too. I know I never think about Jesus
except when I get a question like this, and every Jew I know
is the same. So I'd stick with the original reply but try
and be *gentle* with your Christian friends. :)
Jeff Tucker je...@netcom.com
Steve Meyers
>
> Why not outline Jewish expectations about the Messiah and discuss how Jesus
> of Nazareth fails to meet them?
They not only believe he was the Messiah but that he was
G-d Himself! Last year I went with a friend to a Christmas service,
partly as a gesture of friendship, partly curiosity, and their priest
said "Jesus was God revealed unto us". Plus they had a HUGE crucifix
on their alter. (IMHO, that makes them idolatrous.)
Anyhow, I guess my point is that the main difficulty Jews (at
least this one) have with Jesus is his supposed godhood.
-Steve
Oren H. Levine
>> What would be a better answer to these people?
> I kind of like your answer. How about "We don't."
I prefer, "he was a nice Jewish boy who went into his father's business".
I recently used this line on one colleague, and she started babbling about
how it makes sense, him being a carpenter and all, and I had to cut her
short, saying, "uh, it's a joke".
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-Matthew P Wiener (wee...@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
I like this approach - you could add the old Mel brooks line
"He used to come into the store...never *bought* anything..."
this is from the _2000 Year-Old Man_ : Mel brooks with Carl Reiner
-Oren
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Jay Shayevitz
How about something like, JC was a heretic, an apikores, in whose name
hundreds of thousands, nay millions, of Jews were persecuted and often
killed over the centuries, and that you prefer not to think about the
subject.
Jay Shay...@med.umich.edu
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David Shamir
>
>I have trouble responding to people who ask me what Jews think about Jesus.
> If I say that we don't even consider him, this sounds elitist and turns
>people off. What would be a better answer to these people?
>
I always answer with a question: "What do Christians think about Mohammed"?
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Gennady Feygin
|> In article <volcs-081...@vockley4.mayo.edu>,
|> Sam Volchenboum <vo...@fermat.mayo.edu> wrote:
|> >I thought the title would get your attention!
|> >
|> >I have trouble responding to people who ask me what Jews think about Jesus.
|> > If I say that we don't even consider him, this sounds elitist and turns
|> >people off. What would be a better answer to these people?
|> >
|>
|> I always answer with a question: "What do Christians think about Mohammed"?
|>
That might not be quite as effective as "what do cristians think of Joseph
Smith or Brigham Young (sp?)". Most cristians are unaware of the fact that
Islam claims to be sucessor to cristianity.
asia z lerner
Most Christians would be yet more surprised if they knew that Islam
consideres Jesus to be a Muslim in good standing..
Asia
jrap...@news.delphi.com
>I thought the title would get your attention!
It certainly did!
>I have trouble responding to people who ask me what Jews think about Jesus.
> If I say that we don't even consider him, this sounds elitist and turns
>people off. What would be a better answer to these people?
You could always repeat what Josephus had to say about him????
or for that matter Sanhedrin 43a...
Samuel R. Kaplan
>hundreds of thousands, nay millions, of Jews were persecuted and often
>killed over the centuries, and that you prefer not to think about the
>subject.
>
>Jay Shay...@med.umich.edu
>| Kavei el HaShem |
Why do you say he was a heretic? What was done in his name was
certainly heresy by Jewish adherents. But I see nothing that suggests
that he himself was anything but an observant Jew.
^
>I have trouble responding to people who ask me what Jews think about Jesus.
> If I say that we don't even consider him, this sounds elitist and turns
>people off. What would be a better answer to these people?
There are 2 cases:
1. The person is asking you what Jews think about Jesus as a segueway into
their own testimony that Jesus is Lord and Messiah, and they wish for you
to convert. If they are busy witnessing to you and thinking about what they
are going to say next they hardly have the time to even listen to what you
are saying. SO, when the question is rhetorical, I think it only important
that you be able to answer the question to yourself. For this I refer you to
the anonymous ftp site nysernet.org in the directory 'answers' or 'answers to
missionaries'. I have also heard that the book 'You take Jesus, I'll take
God' by Siegal is good. (possible type on Siegal)
2. The person actually wants to know out of curiosity. I would mention that
whatever Jesus was he wasn't the sort of 'messiah' that Jews mean when they
use the same word. Perhaps s/he would want to read the book 'the nine
questions people ask about judaism' by D. Prager for general info.
Also, if there is any merit in teachings
attributed to him, that is because it derives
directly from a Jewish teaching, not the other way around.
steve
seidman
Harry Katz
I have trouble responding to people who ask me what
Jews think about Jesus. If I say that we don't even
consider him, this sounds elitist and turns people off.
What would be a better answer to these people?
If you can say it with a deadpan face, "Jesus who?"
(Enjoy the look of shock on their faces, then smile and
explain that you were just joking.)
Harry Katz
Aaron Y Berkson
can look him up in Encyclopedia Judaica.
From all the versions I've heard it seems that Jesus was a jewish
rabbi. Now rabbis in those days didn't do services and stuff since the
priesthood was still around. They usually did something else for a
living. In Jesus case, he was a carpenter. He was probably a nice guy,
and basically all he preached was mainstraim Judaism of the sadduccees
(hence an emphasis on the apocalypse and afterlife).
At the time of Jesus Jews were being oppressed. In the history of
Judaism, usually when oppression got really bad, there was a messianic
fervor. Many many people were declared messiah at this time. But of
course, Israel fell to the Romans.
Jesus followers thought he was the messiah. And original christians
were jews, and as it developed more, heretical jews. What St. Paul
created was a non-jewish version of christianity.
It is generally accepted from historians that the first three books
in the NT are pretty close to the historical Jesus. After that, when
christians started realizing jews were going along, the NT starts
getting pretty anti-jewish.
Anyway, centuries after the guy died there was a new religion
proclaiming him as god. And it took over the roman empire.
In the Talmud there are anti-Christian bits via Jesus-bashing, which
can't really be viewed as accurate since it was already when christians
and jews were feuding. Bits in the Talmud lead one to believe that he
was a rabbinical student that strayed from good into evil ways. It says
he practiced sorcery, idolatry that he "set up a brick and began to pray
to it". That he "lead Israel astray". It also says Jesus' father was a
Roman soldier. More modern analysis of these bits of the Talmud conclude
that the Jesus talked about is not necessarily Jesus of Nazareth.
The article in Enc. Judaica will tell you a lot more.
fnkl...@acfcluster.nyu.edu
>
>Why not outline Jewish expectations about the Messiah and discuss how Jesus
>of Nazareth fails to meet them?
Here?
Now?
How much bandwidth do you have?
Nahum
Karl Kluge
This is what I get for having hit "f" inside GNUS in a world where everyone
doesn't use a threaded news reader. My post was in response to someone asking
for suggestion as to how to deal with the question "What do Jews think of
Jesus" with an answer that went beyond "They don't much."
Obviously one could go into greater or lesser detail. One person has already
suggested using the issue of the (non-)divinity of the Messiah. If someone
knows of a good history of the concept of the Messiah in Judaism (is this in
the FAQ?), that would be a good thing to point the questioner to.
Karl
90hal...@cua.edu
> Islam claims to be sucessor to cristianity.
>
Actually islam claim to be the consumation of judiasm and christianity. The
muslims christians ad jews are reffered to in the holy Quran as the AHL-al
khutab (people of the book)
ed monk
Robert Rabinoff
: I prefer, "he was a nice Jewish boy who went into his father's business".
The full citation, as I have always heard (and repeated) it is:
How do we know Jesus was Jewish --
He lived at home till he was 30, he went into his father's business, and
his mother thought he was God.
For what it's worth --
Bob
chr...@vmsa.technion.ac.il
I am the last person to get involved in a theological argument,
but I can read the Talmud. Having gone over Sanhedrin 43a
word for word, I found no reference to Jesus. Can you be a bit
more precise about the reference?
Amitai
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Arthur S. Kamlet
>: I prefer, "he was a nice Jewish boy who went into his father's business".
>The full citation, as I have always heard (and repeated) it is:
>How do we know Jesus was Jewish --
>
>He lived at home till he was 30, he went into his father's business, and
>his mother thought he was God.
On the other hand, he went to the last supper
instead of the early bird special.
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Art Kamlet a_s_k...@att.com AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Mauri Miettinen
> I thought the title would get your attention!
>
Jesus.
> If I say that we don't even consider him, this sounds elitist and turns
> people off. What would be a better answer to these people?
>
What about first studying some facts instead of listening to somebody's
opinions! How many of you has dared or cared to read the New Testament
through? At any case everybody seems to know exactly who Jesus was and
what he was like. Are people ashamed? I think they are.
29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that
is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I
pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read
this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with
their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their
heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of
men:
29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this
people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise
men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
Eliot Shimoff
Mauri Miettinen <ma...@dione.teorfys.uu.se> wrote:
>What about first studying some facts instead of listening to somebody's
>opinions! How many of you has dared or cared to read the New Testament
>through? At any case everybody seems to know exactly who Jesus was and
>what he was like. Are people ashamed? I think they are.
Just to clarify the issue, please note that this somehow got
posted to scj. Where most of us do not consider the Christian
Scriptures as factual descriptions of who Jesus was and what
he was like.
Am I ashamed about not having read the Christian scriptures?
Naah. After all, _my_ religion (Judaism) is not derived from
yours.
Are you ashamed about not knowing Jewish religious texts?
You should be. After all, _your_ religion (I am assuming
you are a Christian) _is_ derived from mine.
Until you _have_ studied Jewish texts, try having some
respect for Jews who take their faith seriously. And
don't ask us to (or accuse us of) feeling ashamed.
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Samuel R. Kaplan
Eliot Shimoff <shi...@umbc.edu> wrote:
>In article <2ei1kf$l...@corax.udac.uu.se>,
>Mauri Miettinen <ma...@dione.teorfys.uu.se> wrote:
>
>
>>What about first studying some facts instead of listening to somebody's
>>opinions! How many of you has dared or cared to read the New Testament
>>through? At any case everybody seems to know exactly who Jesus was and
>>what he was like. Are people ashamed? I think they are.
>
>Just to clarify the issue, please note that this somehow got
>posted to scj. Where most of us do not consider the Christian
>Scriptures as factual descriptions of who Jesus was and what
>he was like.
>
>Am I ashamed about not having read the Christian scriptures?
>Naah. After all, _my_ religion (Judaism) is not derived from
>yours.
>
>Are you ashamed about not knowing Jewish religious texts?
>You should be. After all, _your_ religion (I am assuming
>you are a Christian) _is_ derived from mine.
>
>Until you _have_ studied Jewish texts, try having some
>respect for Jews who take their faith seriously. And
>don't ask us to (or accuse us of) feeling ashamed.
>
Along these lines in a commentary on Chanukah for National Public
Radio Herman Wouk pointed out that Chanukah and Christmas are linked
in that: if the Maccabees had not saved Judaism from being destroyed
by the secular culture of the Seleucids, then Christianity would not
have been possible.
ADELSON, SETH KAJ
>Are you ashamed about not knowing Jewish religious texts?
>You should be. After all, _your_ religion (I am assuming
>you are a Christian) _is_ derived from mine.
Now hold on a minute. It may be true that some Christians misread the
Tanakh. It is certainly not true, however, that Christianity is derived from
Judaism.
Perusing the Gospels, one finds that Jesus' teachings are consistent with
the Judaism of the time. He upholds the mitzvot, and tells people to follow
them to the smallest iota. But Paul, who took it upon himself to invent
"Christianity" (the worship of "Christ") after Jesus' death, chose to toss
out the mitzvot, replacing deeds with faith. Consider how difficult it would
have been for the Roman empire to be converted to Christianity if
circumcision were required!
On top of that, many of the basic concepts of Christianity are not derived
from Judaism, but from pagan traditions of the Middle East and Europe.
Examples: the immaculate conception, the virgin birth, the "trinity",
Jesus' dying for everybody's sins, etc.
Christianity is not derived from Judaism. They share only the Tanakh.
>Eliot Shimoff
--Seth
kel...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
>>
> Naah. After all, _my_ religion (Judaism) is not derived from
> yours.
>
> Are you ashamed about not knowing Jewish religious texts?
> You should be. After all, _your_ religion (I am assuming
> you are a Christian) _is_ derived from mine.
>
> Until you _have_ studied Jewish texts, try having some
> respect for Jews who take their faith seriously. And
> don't ask us to (or accuse us of) feeling ashamed.
>
>
>
>
that the life of Jesus should not matter at all to those who
are Jewish.The second post asked if anyone was ashamed to want
to know about Jesus, it did not acuse or ask anyone to feel ashamed.
I was raised a Christian and yet I look for knowledge and wisdom in
the writtings of the Talmud.I do not despute the fact that Christianity
is derived from Judaism, I respect it.
B Kelly
Joe Slater
>Perusing the Gospels, one finds that Jesus' teachings are consistent with
>the Judaism of the time. He upholds the mitzvot, and tells people to follow
>them to the smallest iota.
The accusations against Jesus recorded in teh Christian scriptures were
precisely the opposite: he didn't uphold the mitzvot and told people not
to follow them. Frankly, I find this more plausible.
jds
Vera Izrailit
: What about first studying some facts instead of listening to somebody's
: opinions! How many of you has dared or cared to read the New Testament
: through? At any case everybody seems to know exactly who Jesus was and
: what he was like. Are people ashamed? I think they are.
Why should we care? I mean, if anyone is interested to study many dif-
ferent kinds of religions, that's fine, but is there any reason for all
Jews to be interested in Christ and Christianity?
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Eliot Shimoff
I had responded to a previous posting with:
>>Are you ashamed about not knowing Jewish religious texts?
>>You should be. After all, _your_ religion (I am assuming
>>you are a Christian) _is_ derived from mine.
And Seth replied:
>Now hold on a minute. It may be true that some Christians misread the
>Tanakh. It is certainly not true, however, that Christianity is derived from
>Judaism.
... rest of material deleted ...
Seth, I don't think you and I necessarily disagree about the
relation (historical and theological) between Judaism and
Christianity. Our disagreement is only over the meaning of
the term "derived"; I used in one way and you used it another way.
It's a semantic argument. And I'm anti-Semantic. :-)
David Esan
This belongs either in alt.messianic or in soc.religion, not in s.c.j.
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Shaqeeqa
Actually, only Christians and Jews are referred to as Ahl Al-Kitab in
the Holy Quoran.
What was the point here?
Shaqeeqa
Kenneth L. Menken
>In article <volcs-081...@vockley4.mayo.edu> vo...@fermat.mayo.edu
>(Sam Volchenboum) writes:
>> I thought the title would get your attention!
>>
>> I have trouble responding to people who ask me what Jews think about
>Jesus.
>> If I say that we don't even consider him, this sounds elitist and turns
>> people off. What would be a better answer to these people?
>>
>> Sam Volchenboum
>> Rochester, Minnesota (Brrrrrrr!)
>> vo...@fermat.mayo.edu
>What about first studying some facts instead of listening to somebody's
>opinions! How many of you has dared or cared to read the New Testament
>through? At any case everybody seems to know exactly who Jesus was and
>what he was like. Are people ashamed? I think they are.
And Jesus looked to his followers and said, "see how few of the learned
are amongst you?"
While no expert in the N.T., I have read it and _studied_ it as well.
I like to say that for a period after my adoption of observance, I knew
more about the Christian Bible than the Jewish one!!
For those interested, including the original questioner - who meant this
all very seriously -- try subscribing to m-de...@jerusalem1.datasrv.co.il .
Perhaps Mauri will go for the $10,000 prize that they (Jerusalem Institute
for Biblical Polemics, moderators of m-debate) offer!
Ex: $1,000 for the one who finds that Jesus "fulfilled" the prophecy of
"He shall be called a Nazerene" (mentioned in N.T., but nowhere in the
Bible! The prophecy simply doesn't exist. )
$1,000 for the one who finds verification for the passage that says in the
N.T. that 75 souls travelled in Jacob's family to Egypt (this week in
the Parsha!) -- the number in the Bible is 70.
$1,000 for the one who finds fulfillment of the prophecy that a "virgin"
shall conceive (it's "almah" - a young woman. B'sulah, meaning virgin, is
mentioned 70+ times in the Bible.)
I would have preferred: $1,000 for the one who explains how something as
unverifiable, as hidden, is a SIGN! Signs don't have to be miraculous.
But signs have to be visible. Street signs, for example!
Anyway, that's only 3 out of a possible TEN GRAND -- and yet no Christian
missionary has collected one penny of the money! Tells you something.
Merry... uh, yeah.
Ken Menken
men...@nysernet.org
Alice Schubach
In a previous article, a...@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) says:
>In article <CHxvy...@csn.org> rabi...@csn.org (Robert Rabinoff) writes:
>>: I prefer, "he was a nice Jewish boy who went into his father's business".
>>The full citation, as I have always heard (and repeated) it is:
>>How do we know Jesus was Jewish --
>>
>>He lived at home till he was 30, he went into his father's business, and
>>his mother thought he was God.
>
This reminds me of a joke ...
The rabbi and priest were talking and the conversation got around to
their respective careers. "So tell me, Father," says the rabbi, "How do
you get ahead in the priesthood?" "Well, you know," he answers, "if I work
hard, I might become a bishop. And if I keep it up, I might even become
a cardinal." The rabbi wants to know, "Is that as far as you can go?"
"Well, not really. If I'm a great cardinal, I might be made the Pope!"
Now the rabbi is impressed, but he wonders, "And after you become
Pope, then what?" Says the priest incredulously, "What do you mean? Do
you think I could become G-d?" Nodding wisely, the rabbi says, "Well,
after all, one of our boys made it!"
Alice
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Patrick B Leek
questions for my bar mitzvah. One of the questions was
what is the official Jewish view of Jesus. I answered what
members of the JDL had said in the past by saying that he
was one of the many false prophets and he was quite success-
ful in getting together such a huge following. His followers
have perpetrated one of the worst crimes against humanity
through deicide. My Rebbe stated that my answer was quite
strong but that he felt that there was no official Jewish
view of Jesus or Muhammed or any other religious leader.
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