Hebrew equivalents of John and William?
jord...@my-deja.com
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> Are there any Hebrew names that are the equivalent of John and
> William?
Yokanaan for the former, perhaps. William is a Germanic name,
AFAIK. German Wilhelm <? Wille (will) + Helm (helmet). "Armed
with will" i.e. courageous ?
Jordi
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Are there any Hebrew names that are the equivalent of John and
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Harry Weiss
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the common name for John would be Yochanan and Zeev for William.
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Yossi Sarid
> and Zeev for William.
What does William have to do with Zeev??
Jay Lapidus
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Harry Weiss <hjw...@netcom17.netcom.com> wrote:
>... Zeev for William.
Except that the meaning of "Ze'ev" ("Wolf") does not translate into
"William." Rather, many Ze'evs are Williams only because of the
assonance of the German/Yiddish translation of "ze'ev" - "wolfe" or
the Slavic translations "vlk", "volk" and "wolk."
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Jonathan J. Baker
>Axinar wrote:
>> Are there any Hebrew names that are the equivalent of John and
>> William?
>Yokanaan for the former, perhaps. William is a Germanic name,
>AFAIK. German Wilhelm <? Wille (will) + Helm (helmet). "Armed
>with will" i.e. courageous ?
William tends to be Zev, at least by way of Yiddish Velvl, which is
a diminutive of Wolf, which in turn translates into Hebrew as Zev
John tends to be Yochanan. One of the Maccabees was Yochanan, and
there were various rabbis named Yochanan, e.g. Rabban Yochanan ben
Zakkai, who set up the yeshiva at Yavne after the roman destruction
of Jerusalem in 70 CE.
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Robert Rubinoff
Jonathan J. Baker <jjb...@panix.com> wrote:
>In <7s9gd6$dmc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> jord...@my-deja.com writes:
>>Axinar wrote:
>
>>> Are there any Hebrew names that are the equivalent of John and
>>> William?
>John tends to be Yochanan.
Actually, John *is* Yochanan. (That's why it has an "h" in it.)
The Hebrew name Yochanan has become, through the vagaries of linguistic change,
John, Johannes, Hans, and probably some other variants I'm forgetting (I think
Ivan is actually from Yochanan, but I'm not entirely sure).
Robert
Omri Schwarz
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> The Hebrew name Yochanan has become, through the vagaries of linguistic change,
> John, Johannes, Hans, and probably some other variants I'm forgetting (I think
> Ivan is actually from Yochanan, but I'm not entirely sure).
There's John, Jean, Yohann, Hans, Giovanni, Juan, Sean, Evan, Owen,
Ivan, Khana, Ianus, and Ian.
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(Robert Rubinoff) posted:
>In article <7sbh00$ftl$1...@panix2.panix.com>,
>Jonathan J. Baker <jjb...@panix.com> wrote:
>>In <7s9gd6$dmc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> jord...@my-deja.com writes:
>>>Axinar wrote:
>>
>>>> Are there any Hebrew names that are the equivalent of John and
>>>> William?
>[...]
>>John tends to be Yochanan.
>Actually, John *is* Yochanan. (That's why it has an "h" in it.)
>The Hebrew name Yochanan has become, through the vagaries of linguistic change,
>John, Johannes, Hans, and probably some other variants I'm forgetting (I think
>Ivan is actually from Yochanan, but I'm not entirely sure).
I think so Juan to Ivan, J to I and U to V. Sounds good to me.
>Robert
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Harry Weiss
: On 22 Sep 1999 03:10:15 GMT, in article
:>... Zeev for William.
: Except that the meaning of "Ze'ev" ("Wolf") does not translate into
: "William." Rather, many Ze'evs are Williams only because of the
: assonance of the German/Yiddish translation of "ze'ev" - "wolfe" or
: the Slavic translations "vlk", "volk" and "wolk."
and the German name Wolfgang is often translated to William.
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Claire Petersky
: Are there any Hebrew names that are the equivalent of John and
: William?
Go to http://www.jewishgen.org and take a look at the archives of
soc.genealogy.jewish. People all the time are searching for equivalent
names for the ancestors. Usually, all they know is the English names, and
are searching for a Hebrew one, but sometimes it goes the other way, too.
I'll play it here, too, though -- what's the Hebrew equivalent of Emma?
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(Claire Petersky) posted:
>Axinar (axi...@one.net) wrote:
>: Are there any Hebrew names that are the equivalent of John and
>: William?
>Go to http://www.jewishgen.org and take a look at the archives of
>soc.genealogy.jewish. People all the time are searching for equivalent
>names for the ancestors. Usually, all they know is the English names, and
>are searching for a Hebrew one, but sometimes it goes the other way, too.
>I'll play it here, too, though -- what's the Hebrew equivalent of Emma?
Milchoma? Don't know anyone called that though.
Bread boy? " " " " " "
My source Webster's New World Dictionary, Concise Edition, says it
comes from Irma which is from Irmic, a Germanic god of war.
I saw Joe's answer about whole and complete, and his source gives that
same meaning for Irma! Since my source is from 1960 or 1953 and that
is closer in time to revelation, maybe mine should get precedence.
Posted and mailed.
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Lisa
wrote:
>Axinar (axi...@one.net) wrote:
>
>: Are there any Hebrew names that are the equivalent of John and
>: William?
>
>Go to http://www.jewishgen.org and take a look at the archives of
>soc.genealogy.jewish. People all the time are searching for equivalent
>names for the ancestors. Usually, all they know is the English names, and
>are searching for a Hebrew one, but sometimes it goes the other way, too.
>
>I'll play it here, too, though -- what's the Hebrew equivalent of Emma?
Usually Chana. My partner's grandmother, for example, was Emma Rose
and Chana Rochel. It's not the only such case I've heard of where
Anna (an English version of Chana) had Emma substituted for it.
Probably because of the similarity of sounds.
Lisa
CreedmoorChronicles
"ephes-ephes". William shortens to Willy, so that the Hebrew equivalent
would be "zayin," with "schmuck," "putz," "schlang," and "schvantz" being 4
common Yiddish variants.
Ian
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