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joshb

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This is of course well known by all Jewish people: when Yerushalayim
was sieged, some people made a deal with the Romans and these where
allowed to organize an acadamy to teach the Torah. The Torah how
they saw it obviously. A Torah that the Romans had no problem with,
obviously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IieX5z24o Minute 25 - 27.

So where does it all go wrong ? It goes wrong in the brainwashing
of young children, it goes wrong in the peer pressure between the
adults. They don't dare to stand up against their Roman leaders who
teach lawbreaking like the prosbul. That indoctrination of the young
is extremely powerful is evidenced in the survival of the catholic
church to this day. Nothing of roman catholicism makes any sense,
yet it goes on because of indoctrination, peer pressure, and the
historical bloodbaths by which this powerful pagan cult maintains
it's dominance (It was reported that some form of Catholic priests
where conducting religious cleansing in what remained of Yugoslavia:
convert or die, and so many died.) Think only the Islam does that ?
Why would the people in the middle east be fundamentally different
then those in Italy ?

But I can think of no better proof that Rabbinical Judaism is
the Roman sun cult, then the fact that the Temple Institute has
remade the 'Lamp of Helena,' which is a sundisk sun-reflection
idol that they want to put on the inner gate of a rebuild 3rd
temple structure. They then want that the jewish people in the
area wait until they see the sun reflected on that lamp and then
pray "Shema Yisroel, HaShem Echad." There would be a flash of
sunlight coming out of the inner gate of the 2nd temple (I assume
they want to organize the structure such that it can be seen ?).
By that sunlight flash they would then pray.

At the same time there would be the 10 commandments in the
building, with the text "do not bow to the idols."

Even people who don't mind this will have to admit that there
is no such "lamp of Helena," mandated in the Torah to be put
on the tent of gathering. Instead there is a 7 armed chandelier
inside of it. Even if some people might have no problem with
this lamp and this praying to a sunlight flash on a gold surface,
they have to admit that it wasn't part of the original design.

They will also have to admit that it is the Egyptians that
worship the sun and the sungod, as did many other peoples, and
that worshipping the sun or other heavenly bodies is strictly
forbidden to the Jewish people. In the Torah, the heavenly bodies
are merely created by their G.d, for whom this is perhaps as
much effort as making a leaf fall off a tree; and who is
more then that which he has created. They also have to admit,
that this lamp is in honor of a Queen, and that the Torah does
not mandate that Israel has a Queen or King. It only later
gets a human King, virtually as a form of punishment, and
that this means that Israel has severed itself from her G.d.

This is literally in the Torah. How can there then be an object,
on the inner building no less, in honor of the King. It is
however true that in the later stages, much after the tent
of gathering, the human King of Israel has a special gate.
But this is not the inner gate on the inner building (if I
understand the layout correctly). There is also then not
a sun-reflection device, to which the Jewish people are to
pray "Shema Yisroel" to. That doesn't exist, except just
shortly before the 2nd central courthouse / tent of gathering
in stone, fell to the Roman destroyer. Which by the way is
another thing that one can probably not deny. That when the
Rabbis took over, it didn't take long before Yerushalayim
was destroyed. That doesn't mean anything ? You let Rome in:
the Rabbis, the Pharisees, and put their idol on your building.

So the point is ... why even do it. Even when someone may
not have much of a problem with this sun reflection device:
what is the positive reason, the pressing need, to put it
there ? There is all these issues with it. Another issue
is that (if I got the story right) queen Helena gets the
food from ... Egypt, but Israel is not to ask for help from
Egypt anymore. Another reason not to put this idol on there.
Even if you think nothing of it, you can't point to a good
reason to put in on there either, can you. So why not save
some money and don't do it, right ?

Hence I would see this as proof that Rabbinical Judaism
is Roman. The Temple Institute is obviously part of Rabbinical
Judaism. Now this may get a bit conspiratorial, but given
all the issues with this sundisk, you could ask: if they
want power in Yerushalayim under Jewish law, and even if
they are not in their right to do this (just as an argument),
then they would at least try to fake it as best they can,
right ? Then they would not put dubious idols on there, but
fake the whole affair - and maybe it will even be good then.

So I'm forced to wonder that this sundisk idol is in fact
the whole essence of the procedure to them. That for them
the 3rd temple is like a seat or a throne, that is sufficiently
like the 2nd temple to take in the Jewish masses. The whole
priesthood and perfect vessels (note by the way that their
7 armed Menorah is not perfect, it is not one driven piece
of gold but actually just gold-plated) ... that's there as
a stage prop. But then by this lamp of Helena, they dedicate
all of that, the whole Jewish nation, to the sungod, to the
idol. By that they become Roman, and it seems obvious that
they then fall under the head priest of the world pagan
cults, the most powerful pagan cult: the Roman Emperor, the
Pope; who (so it is said) wears sundisk crosses on his
garments that go back to the Empire of Babylon where it is
claimed that this cross with the widening beams to the outside
is a symbol of the sun. You'll perhaps note that in the
Vatican church (or whatever they have there) is a gigantic
sun-disk, and that the food that they dedicated to their
idol, the cracker, they put in a sundisk device also. This
is pagan idol worship.

Rabbinical Judaism ... and then the exile in Rome, ongoing.
You are loosing even parts of the Temple Mount to the
Catholics. A coincidence ? If you think so, I'd say you
have no belief in your G.d whatsoever, even if you don't
agree with the above reasoning. Nothing can be a coincidence.
Even if you think the exile was for entirely different reasons
and the Rabbis are great, you have to admit that there is
a reason for the ongoing exile under Rome. Reason would also
dictate that if you find that reason, that you may have found
out what you are doing wrong with respect to the law of Mozes,
and how hence you could get out of the exile by returning to
the law. Any progress on that front yet ?

- Stop and officially overturn the prosbul.
- Destroy the lamp of Helena.
- Distribute the holy land to all.
- Stop and officially overturn the heter iska.
- Admit that the Shulchan Aruch is non-kosher, because it
contains false law (prosbul, heter iska).

If not, that's fine by me, but you're not even trying to come
close to the law of Mozes - are you ? Enjoy your trickle down
Bushonomics in America, Hillel the Elder invented it for you
2 millenia ago, and now you are reliving it again. Like the
results yet ? It's been said by the presumptive prophets of
Israel at www.dani18.com, that you are going to pay the ultimate
price for it all; the collapse of the US Republic, the land will
be destroyed, ruled by evil, or both and you will be lucky to
get out with the clothes on your back (these are literal quotes.)
You like a nation run by money games for profit yet, similar
on principle to your heter iska games ? You like the poor being
compounded by debt they can never pay, until they loose everything,
similar on principle to your prosbul -eternal debt- games ? Like
the system you created yet ? It may be getting a whole lot worse
until you see what it does; but you may not survive witnissing
it to the end at close range.

Question: why are you so careless ? Is it unreasonable what
I say ? Is it insane ? Is it extreme ?
- Is a debt protection, a bankruptcy protection, for the poor
who have nothing more to give anyway, is that extreme ? Is
that radical economics ? It is not extreme, it's rather marginal.
- Is distributing the land to all radical ? Yes ! I admit. Though
if you think it through, are you sure ? When a tribe comes to
a new land and they say: for each a share ! is that extreme ?
Is that weird ? No, it's perfectly logical. Extreme would be:
it's all for me, you be my indentured servants from now until
the end of the world. Is it extreme to disallow selling in
perpetuity, to allow everyone to always have land, extreme or
radical ? Not really any more radical then to allow land selling,
although it is a little more structured and in-your-face laws
then letting it all hang down and "whatever". It's radical in
the current failed society, because people have lived the wrong
way for thousands of years. So okay if you think it's radical
then so be it - but on principle it is not that radical either.
- To say there shouldn't be a sun-disk on the inner building gate
is that radical ? No of course not. It's radical to put it there.
It is radical to create that idol, given all that is the Torah.
It is radical to ask Jewish people to pray to a flash of light.
Is it radical to create that new temple then too ? I would say
it is, although it makes historically sense. So you could say,
one sense of radicalism leads to another. Maybe: but this lamp
of Helena was barely on that 2nd temple for long, only on the
very end.

It seems to me they just want to go on where they left off:
selling out to the Romans, becoming a Vassal of the Pope, and
rake in the profits from there but this time with their people
under their control, instead of rioting against the Roman
oppression and the turncoats who helped the Romans conquer
Yerushalayim.

... Looking at the state of the world & Israel, and conciddering
all that is necessary, I can't say I'm surprised when the presumptive
prophets on www.dani18.com say that relatively very few will make it,
that everything will turn deadly before it will turn better. Maybe
your Greek styled Synagogues with your Rabbis are part of the problem
more then you think.

sigh. Not even one dares to debate it. They don't know what to say.
But peer pressure keeps them in line, afraid of their palls they
are, or they're too blind to see - absorbed in tribalism probably
the most of them. Roman style tribalism by now. Attack and run,
they can do that. Notice how the temple institute can't even get
on the mount ? How the Muslems and Catholics are taking over ever
more ? Sounds like G.d is on your side, or against you, just like
before ?

Don't say you haven't been warned and given some suggestions that
where reasonable. What exactly do you expect, a group that builds
a 3rd temple is going to do, when they promote a sundisk idol,
and say nothing against the prosbul fake law, people who's origin
literally traces openly to a deal with the Romans (!). What do
you expect from the current nation of Israel, if there never is
going to be a 3rd central courthouse - but instead you continue
to operate under the Rothshild 3rd temple and the Knesset. You
think it will just be new cars & vacations forever, and you'll
defeat the Muslems using NATO ? You think NATO is going to be
there forever, holding your hands ? You think you can win every
war, when you haven't won a war for almost 2000 years, except
now that you are back in the holy land you won a number of wars
that where normally unwinnable. So you say your G.d is with you;
it seems so - for how long ? Will your G.d leave you, when you
fail to create the 3rd central court house and install Mozes'
law, distribute the land ? Will your G.d leave when you do
create a 3rd central court house but leave it to people like
the temple institute who will dedicated it to Amun Ra and the
Pope using their sundisk ? You want to be like the Netherlands,
it seems no rich and nice ? You realize that this nation was
wrecked less then a hundred years ago by the Nazi Empire ?
That live was hellish here in the 19th century and before ?
That we are now going under the E.U. and the U.N. lawlessness,
that financial/economic collapse is likely to lead to another
crazy war with Russia that the Russians will probably win as
usual ? Collapsing NATO by the way, leaving you with what ?

You see, it's not all that easy is it, to plot a course for
the future that seems sensible. What you need to prevent is
that you end up with a lawless Plutocracy. Mozes' law has
laws for that: distribute the land to all, lend without
interest to the poor, forgive the poor their debts, and
maintain that as law; that also means enforcement against
lawbreakers (isn't that the bases of it all ? it's not just
a fad, it's punishable law). Don't worship idols, they are
nothing but just destract you - and don't worship people,
Rabbis or Kings or whatever, because that leads to them
abusing power to get rich and then you're back to slavery.

I'm not ever religious mind you, I just think that most of
the suffering comes from poverty, and that this poverty comes
from bad law. Mozes law has good law for the poor and long
term stability, so I just use that to get through to the
one or few people who have lived it once to do it again.
Sadly you don't seem to care about your Mozes or your Torah.
--

joshb

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Op 2014-07-10, joshb schreef <jo...@localhost.localdomain>:
> This is of course well known by all Jewish people: when Yerushalayim
> was sieged, some people made a deal with the Romans and these where
> allowed to organize an acadamy to teach the Torah. The Torah how
> they saw it obviously. A Torah that the Romans had no problem with,
> obviously.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4IieX5z24o Minute 25 - 27.

Here is another where Rabbinical Judaism is claimed to be pro-Roman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlj5-iwKueQ Minute 5

These videos are from the Ceasar's Messiah youtube channel,
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com You might think this is the usual
Jesus stuff, but it's not. This is about exposing jesus as the
fraud that he is. However by exposing that fraud, they also end
up discovering another fraud of the same period: Rabbinical
Judaism.

I apologize but I can't help but say the following to juxtapose
what I like to see done, to what is there said about the Rabbis.
The Rabbis
- Don't want to lay claim to the holy land.
- They don't want a temple.
- They are inward looking.
- They will not create an army to fight Rome.
- Want to be good citizens of the Roman Empire.
- Let us get on with our religion and leave us alone.
- The Romans where happy with that, and sponsored it.

My program (on www.law4.org ) is not based on any religion, and
it is not just shouting some vagueries either. It is detailed,
reasoned in depth probably more then you can even ever read
unless you literally take a year to do it (I'm sorry but that's
just factual.) So I'm not just saying "I want an army!". The
army I want to see has a special role within a wider system of
revolution & reform, a role that can also morphe. Like I said:
it is not that simple. But to cut it down to simplicity to compare
to the Rabbis who bow to Rome:

- The system I propose (and that is *both* the Torah, and my
own), is unlimited and unashamed National Sovereignty. There
will be no U.N. power or other cliques. Of course there will
not be an embassy for the Vatican, normal nations do not have
criminal gangs have embassies with them, unless they are at
least actual Nations that you can trade with. The vatican is
a corrupt entertainment business. A law against trading with
them and branding them a terrorist organization to be kept out
doesn't seem to be unreasonable. We all know what they've done,
and I don't buy their fake tears.

- Then there is a second claim to the land: every individual must
MUST MUST MUST, have their birthright in soil, as an inalienable
right - the land can never ever be sold in perpetuity. You can
rent it out, though. Sounds familiar ? Both my personal and
Mozes' law are essentially exactly the same - just a different
implementation no details (I'm not sure yet which is the better
one, either, mind you; Mozes' system is quite ingenius and I
see the benefit of this mass harmonization through a year-count
every 50th year - although I think it's a bit long to be honest;
I might say 7 years for return of the land is better but allright,
what can I say: it's not bad, it's genius and it should work.)

- No temple ? I don't care for temples in the slightest, in fact
I despise them. Nests or corruption and idiotery. However it
is necessary to have law, and thus courts, and thus a high court
(I would submit). Secondly it is sensible to have a focus for
the public sphere, the public Government whatever that is.
Who will maintain the common roads, so we don't get privateers
putting up tollbooth and looting passers by ? Who will pay the
Judges, and thus organize such a taxation; because obviously
you don't want those standing trial being the ones paying the
Judges, not from either side of the dispute. Hence there will
be a central courthouse, and it will be the end of the law. The
law will not end in Rome (or the U.N. or any other nest of power.)
The roads will not all read to Rome, heh lead to Rome I meant.

Whether under Mozes' law or my own, this ends up essentially the
same.

- Inward looking ? I belief that making the people holy is even
against the Torah itself. The priests must leave their special
clothes, so that the people do not become holy. This making everyone
and everything holy is always this obsession of the Vatican and
other cults. I think this leads to insanity, although that's just
my personal opinion I suppose. People their personal lives is
their problem not mine; although idolatry I would think is strongly
disadviseable, as it allows superstition to take the place of the
necessary direct (unfortunately sometimes potentially bloody) action
necessary against those that usurp power.

I prefer to deal with real things: how are we going to throw
off the yoke of the Plutocracy, organize that Revolution and if
need be Revolutionary war. How are we going to distribute the
land to all, and make laws that will make sure there will never
be another Plutocracy (that is rule by the rich).

- I would love to create an army, and if Rome or say NATO and
the rest of the Imperialists came against us that we would
crush them and if necessary we would sack the Vatican (after
taking the people out though, I don't like murdering people
if it's not necessary.) Obviously war is terrible and it would
be nice if the Imperialists would not attempt to come against
our revolutions, in whatever nation they might be.

- Good citizens of Rome; allow me to puke and not answer that one.

- It's a rule in the system I'm proposing that as you set up
political parties to achieve these ends, you will not take any
donations from anyone. That includes Rome and that includes their
Rothshild banking crime family. You take their money, you become
them whether you want to or not; and if it's not you they can
corrupt, then it's the person standing next to you. Do not take
their money (I'm not making this up now mind you, I made this up
years ago, it's a bylaw for the system of political parties.)

All this is just sane and reasonable politics. Of course you're
not going to let your nation be ruled by cliques from far off, that
is madness. Of course you need an army, because we all know what
the Imperialists want (everything.) Etc. I'm not saying anything
strange or unusual or special. The question is: why isn't Rabbinical
Judaism saying these things, and if they are then why doesn't it
make the slightest impression on the Jewish masses it seems. We
literally see the so-called head Rabbi (you have another King ?)
shaking hands with the arch-enemy the pope, all laughing and chatty
and look us being great friends. Oh by the way, never mind your
Concordat with the Nazi Empire, murdering the Jewish people; we
buy the story that you where actually saving Jewish people. Excuse
me for finding that hard to belief. Hitler even styled his party
after the Jesuit order, which is the inquisition. Speaking of
which ... well you get the point. The catholic church is a crime
gang (imho).

I am a fanatic now right ? I'm a fanatic because I wouldn't allow
my nation to be run by offshore bandits who think that they can
get any crime they do forgiven by eating a cracker that comes out
of a gold statue of the sun that they build. Who is the fanatics ?
Who is the groveling know-nothing do-nothings ? I say it's the
Rabbis, but perhaps even more it is the Jewish masses themselves,
who forgot their law.

joshb

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[...]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Oaths Quote:

The Three Oaths is the popular name for a Midrash found in the
Talmud,[1] which relates that God adjured three oaths upon
the world. Two of the oaths pertain to the Jewish people,
and one of the oaths pertains to the other nations of the
world. The Jews for their part were sworn not to migrate from
Exile to the Land of Israel en masse and not to rebel against
the other nations, and the other nations in their turn were
sworn not to subjugate the Jews excessively.

End quote. In a negative way, this is the Rabbinical deal with
the Romans; and maybe that is all that it is.

However you could also look at it a bit more complex, namely:
Pharisees (if I understand correctly) created the prosbul (it
is in the modern Schulchan Aruch), or at least they maintain(ed)
it. Hence the Pharisees are pitting Jew against Jew, creating
the so-called baseless hatred between all, and nullifying the
laws that would tend to overcome this baseless hatred with
generosity for the poor. Notice these two situations:

a) Under Torah law, the rich man, fearful of his G.d and seeking
to please him as thanks for the wonderful creation, as well
as love for his fellow Jew, gives a loan to a poor man who
does not drink and is not disorderly, to buy some worktools
and shoes and a cart to do a specific work that the poor man
reasonably beliefs will help him sustain himself. There is no
interest on this loan. Unfortunately a greater famine strikes
because of the misdeeds of the Jewish nation as a whole, and
the poor man does not generate enough income to repay the whole
loan and remains poor until the 7th year comes around. The
rich man decides that he will be repayed enough if the cart is
sold, and the remainder of the loan is then destroyed. This is
hardly a strict reading of the Torah law already; but you could
say: the man with cart was not poor, but once he lost the cart
he was, and then his debt was destroyed, which is the remainder.

Has this poor man any reason to thank the richer man ? I say yes.

b) Now however the rich man using the prosbul, will demand the whole
loan back. The poor man must not only sell his cart, but also
any clothes and anything he might still have. Because this does
not pay the loan, the rich man demands the poor man becomes his
servant until the loan is payed. Seeing no alternative, the man
essentially becomes a slave.

You think this generates a nation of solidarity to one another ?
A nation that stands as one outraged front lusting to shed their
blood for their land and the lives they have, against an assaulting
army of mercenaries ? I say no.

Okay so this goes to baseless hatred, you have created a system where
hatred will be fed, and solidarity will be emaciated - to the degree
you listened to the Rabbis.

Now because the Rabbis did this (or perpetuated it), I would submit
they become incapable of maintaining Israel as a nation, as a
Sovereignty. They must even be disallowed to be seen as having the
Sovereign power, of any temple or anything, that might further confuse
the Torah law more then they already had. Thus they where scattered
into tiny parts, making it harder for centralized corruption to eat
at the heart fast and furiously.

Hence it even makes sense that Rabbinical Judaism has these oaths,
and even has to maintain these oaths, because it is ... incompetent.
So then these oaths are both a betrayel and a deal with the Romans,
but at the same time they peel away Rabbinical Judaism from the
Sovereignty, a Sovereignty that they will only make a gigantic mess
out of anyway. So then you can say, it is both bad, but it is also
good; and hence as long as the Jewish people are Rabbinical and have
not yet overthrown that corruption, they might as well keep to this
deal with the Romans before they make it even worse.

Then of course you get the escape clause through the final redemption.
However it seems that it could have been enough already to overthrow
Rabbinical Judaism and the prosbul and other money games. However
once one overthrows Rabbinical Judaism, one could say one also has
overthrown the 3 oaths, which was something they did. Throw away
Rabbinical Judaism, and you throw away the 3 oaths as well, I suppose.

*

I'm not an historian so please correct me if I'm wrong and the 3
oaths are rather from another Jewish movement not Rabbinical - however
it still is the case now that Rabbinical Judaism talks about and
maintains these oaths as their own, as they do with the prosbul; and
thus I guess the logic of the situation stands. The funny conclusion
is then that those Rabbis who say the oaths are no longer operational
are even wrong, because they have not overthrown their own betrayel
of the Torah law which is Rabbinical Judaism (prosbul, heter iska,
doing what Rome wants, etc).

Having written all that, it's kind of underwriting this to see how
the current Jewish Sovereignty that is generally Rabbinical (if anything
Torah related at all), is more or less not going right (to put it
mildly.)

- Repeal officially the prosbul, openly reject it; scratch the Sulchan
Aruch - or say the S.A.)
- Repeal the heter iska.
- Distribute the holy land.
- Keep to the laws of Jubilee and so on.

That is your Torah. Not the prosbul, and not the Rabbis cozying up
to Rome, and not the U.N. and not NATO. Not the IDF with their wars
on Syria and Russia now even, and not this wall against the Palestinians
either (as the stranger will live in the land, etc etc ... now I don't
say the Palestinians are necessarily angels because they're not but
is it really necessary to go as far as you are with putting them in
a box ?).

So there you go: the deal with the Romans is in fact well known: the
3 oaths. We - the Rabbis - give up our land, if you - the Romans - don't
hurt us too much. Clearly the Romans violated this during the holocaust.
Funny ... how shortly after the Jewish people are back in the land.
As if it was a heavenly covenant ... heh. That's an interesting thought !

So maybe that's the solution then to the schism for or against the 3
oaths. It was violated by Rome, it is a broken contract on the side of
Rome (who would have guessed they would violate it ... beware of the
Romans bearing gifts.)

joshb

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Op 2014-07-10, joshb schreef <jo...@localhost.localdomain>:
[...]
> So there you go: the deal with the Romans is in fact well known: the
> 3 oaths. We - the Rabbis - give up our land, if you - the Romans - don't
> hurt us too much. Clearly the Romans violated this during the holocaust.
> Funny ... how shortly after the Jewish people are back in the land.
> As if it was a heavenly covenant ... heh. That's an interesting thought !
>
> So maybe that's the solution then to the schism for or against the 3
> oaths. It was violated by Rome, it is a broken contract on the side of
> Rome (who would have guessed they would violate it ... beware of the
> Romans bearing gifts.)

Oops, but you can see it the other way around as easily: it was the
Jewish people well before the holocaust that decided to a degree that
they where going to go back to the holy land. The holocaust only fed
that effort. So then you could say it was them breaking these 3 oaths
first, and then the result was that Rome also broke their end and
murdered 6 million Jewish people, and then the Jewish people broke
their end further and went back to the holy land in greater numbers
and even build a literal wall there now.

In any case I'm not sure how interesting these 3 oaths even are, or
how relevant to the current situation; it becomes more or less
academic. Then again maybe not entirely, since the Jewish people are
going back to the holy land in ever greater percentage of the whole,
and hence if there is any heavenly component to these 3 oaths and
it is broken ever more by all sides, then it is worrying to the Jewish
people that "you shall not persecute us too much," might end up being
broken ever more as well - in the future that is.

It is particularly American Jewish people that support the nation
of Israel, even to the point of hurting American national interest
many Americans claim, although I think that may be underestimating
how much the American Empire is using the nation of Israel as a
bridge into the middle east. But a lot of support for this "going to
Israel as a wall, as a masse" comes out of the USA, which is breaking
the 3 oaths, while they are still Rabbinical (and thus incapable of
the Sovereignty by Torah law breaking). You could then perhaps worry
if the condition "don't persecute us too much" will particularly come
true in America as well. That "don't hurt us too much," is in
relation to Roman Imperial violence, which is intense and genocidal.
If you say to the old Roman Empire "don't hurt us too much," that
sortof means don't torture more then a few to death each year, rather
then genocidally wipe us all out as a culture and a nation.

Though I think this all gets very iffy and doubtful, and the 3 oaths
are hardly in the actual Torah to boot ... it does fit in a way
logically a bit with what the autists have said on www.dani18.com
Which is that there will be persecution of Jewish people world wide,
but particularly strongly they warn about America.

Why not just return to Torah law and make it simple ?
- 7th year debt cancel.
- No interest on loans.
- Everyone their soil.
- Don't submerge under any foreign cliques or Empires.
- Have your own courts and Judges.
- Be good and kind to all - but not your enemies; destroy them when
they dare come...

You know it would be easy to just say the 3 oaths are treason and
be done with it; but I like to be fair and not excessively mean.
So it gets more complicated, maybe overly so. All of it would become
irrelevant when the Jewish nations returns to the law of Mozes.

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I hope this writing make you angry ! Good good, be angry, be upset.
There is a lot to be upset about, and even more to get doing. Being
upset gets the blood pumping, maybe you're going to do something
good !
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