The Truth About Iran and The Bomb
John Manning
"Nobody is sitting in Iran today developing nuclear weapons.
Tehran doesn�t have an ongoing nuclear weapons program. But
somehow, everyone in the West is talking about how Iran�s
nuclear program is the greatest threat to the world. In many
ways, I think the threat has been hyped.
Yes, there�s concern and Iran needs to be more transparent
with the IAEA. We still have outstanding questions about some
of the research they�ve conducted, and we still need to verify
that there aren�t undeclared activities taking place inside of
the country.
But the idea that we�ll wake up tomorrow and Iran will have a
nuclear weapon is crazy. We just haven�t seen any indication
of that.�
~Mohammed El Baradei, the current IAEA head
http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2009/09/hyperventilating-about-the-iran-nuclear-threat.html
Honest truth
but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by Mohammed
Vienna - There was a 'high probability' that Iran worked to develop
nuclear
weapons in the past, if intelligence information in that regard is genuine,
International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Mohamed ElBaradei said
Wednesday in Vienna.
ElBaradei was referring to documents received by his organization that
points to a number of suspicious Iranian studies, including the
modification of the model of a missile to carry a nuclear warhead.
'I am not a scientist, but I can tell you this: If this information is
real, there is a high probability that nuclear weaponization activities
have taken place,' he said. 'But I should underline 'if' three times.'
Speaking at the board meeting of the IAEA, ElBaradei called on Iran to
finally clarify these issues.
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> Tehran doesn嚙踝蕭t have an ongoing nuclear weapons program. But
> somehow, everyone in the West is talking about how Iran嚙踝蕭s
> nuclear program is the greatest threat to the world. In many
> ways, I think the threat has been hyped.
>
> Yes, there嚙踝蕭s concern and Iran needs to be more transparent
> with the IAEA. We still have outstanding questions about some
> of the research they嚙踝蕭ve conducted, and we still need to verify
> that there aren嚙踝蕭t undeclared activities taking place inside of
> the country.
>
> But the idea that we嚙踝蕭ll wake up tomorrow and Iran will have a
> nuclear weapon is crazy. We just haven嚙踝蕭t seen any indication
> of that.嚙踝蕭
>
> ~Mohammed El Baradei, the current IAEA head
> http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2009/09/hyperventilating-about-the-iran-nuclear-threat.html
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not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. 嚙皺 If the Jews are rich [these
fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of
ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take
advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it
is because they are scared by their natures or traitors. If the Jew dwells
in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to
his own land, he is prevented from doing so.嚙踝蕭
Lloyd George
�R.L.Measures
Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool posted
> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by Mohammed
> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
� there are people in this world who are virtually blindeded by their
anii-Semitism.
>
>
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1500167.php/ElBaradei-High-probability-Iran-worked-on-bomb-in-the-past-Extra
>
>
> Vienna - There was a 'high probability' that Iran worked to develop
> nuclear
> weapons in the past, if intelligence information in that regard is genuine,
> International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Mohamed ElBaradei said
> Wednesday in Vienna.
>
> ElBaradei was referring to documents received by his organization that
> points to a number of suspicious Iranian studies, including the
> modification of the model of a missile to carry a nuclear warhead.
>
> 'I am not a scientist, but I can tell you this: If this information is
> real, there is a high probability that nuclear weaponization activities
> have taken place,' he said. 'But I should underline 'if' three times.'
>
> Speaking at the board meeting of the IAEA, ElBaradei called on Iran to
> finally clarify these issues.
>
> Read more:
>
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1500167.php/ElBaradei-High-probability-Iran-worked-on-bomb-in-the-past-Extra#ixzz0WEIA3qN5
>
>
>
>
> > "Nobody is sitting in Iran today developing nuclear weapons.
> > Tehran doesn��t have an ongoing nuclear weapons program. But
> > somehow, everyone in the West is talking about how Iran��s
> > nuclear program is the greatest threat to the world. In many
> > ways, I think the threat has been hyped.
> >
> > Yes, there��s concern and Iran needs to be more transparent
> > with the IAEA. We still have outstanding questions about some
> > of the research they��ve conducted, and we still need to verify
> > that there aren��t undeclared activities taking place inside of
> > the country.
> >
> > But the idea that we��ll wake up tomorrow and Iran will have a
> > nuclear weapon is crazy. We just haven��t seen any indication
> > of that.��
> >
> > ~Mohammed El Baradei, the current IAEA head
> >
http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2009/09/hyperventilating-about-the-iran-nuclear-threat.html
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
John Manning
~~"Intelligence Agencies Say No New Nukes in Iran"~~
NEWSWEEK - The US intelligence community is reporting to the White
House that Iran has not restarted its nuclear-weapons development
program, two counter-proliferation officials tell Newsweek. US agencies
had previously said that Tehran halted the program in 2003.
The officials, who asked for anonymity when discussing sensitive
information, said that US intelligence agencies have informed
policymakers at the White House and other agencies that the status of
Iranian work on development and production of a nuclear bomb has not
changed since the formal National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran's
"Nuclear Intentions and Capabilities" in November 2007.
Public portions of that report stated that US intelligence agencies had
"high confidence" that, as of early 2003, Iranian military units were
pursuing development of a nuclear bomb, but that in the fall of that
year Iran "halted its nuclear weapons program".
The document said that while US agencies believed the Iranian
government "at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear
weapons", US intelligence as of mid-2007 still had "moderate
confidence" that it had not restarted weapons-development efforts.
One of the two officials said that the [Barack] Obama administration
has now worked out a system in which intelligence agencies provide top
policymakers, including the president, with regular updates on
intelligence judgments like the conclusions in the 2007 Iran NIE.
According to the two officials, the latest update to policymakers has
been that as of now - two years after the period covered by the 2007
NIE - US intelligence agencies still believe Iran has not resumed
nuclear-weapons development work...
In a private e-mail sent last week to nuclear experts and obtained by
Newsweek, Tariq Rauf, a senior official with the UN's International
Atomic Energy Agency, wrote that the mainstream media are repeating
mistakes from 2003, when they "carried unsubstantiated stories on Iraq
and WMD - the same mistakes are being repeated re IAEA and Iran."
Rauf added that "the hype is likely originating from certain (known)
sources." The message does not specify the sources, but US and European
officials have previously accused Israel of exaggerating Iran's nuclear
progress.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/215529
�R.L.Measures wrote:
> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>
>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool posted
>> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by Mohammed
>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
>
> � there are people in this world who are virtually blindeded by their
> anii-Semitism.
>>
> http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1500167.php/ElBaradei-High-probability-Iran-worked-on-bomb-in-the-past-Extra
>>
>> Vienna - There was a 'high probability' that Iran worked to develop
>> nuclear
>> weapons in the past, if intelligence information in that regard is genuine,
>> International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Mohamed ElBaradei said
>> Wednesday in Vienna.
>>
>> ElBaradei was referring to documents received by his organization that
>> points to a number of suspicious Iranian studies, including the
>> modification of the model of a missile to carry a nuclear warhead.
>>
>> 'I am not a scientist, but I can tell you this: If this information is
>> real, there is a high probability that nuclear weaponization activities
>> have taken place,' he said. 'But I should underline 'if' three times.'
>>
>> Speaking at the board meeting of the IAEA, ElBaradei called on Iran to
>> finally clarify these issues.
>>
>> Read more:
>>
> http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1500167.php/ElBaradei-High-probability-Iran-worked-on-bomb-in-the-past-Extra#ixzz0WEIA3qN5
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Nobody is sitting in Iran today developing nuclear weapons.
>>> Tehran doesn��t have an ongoing nuclear weapons program. But
>>> somehow, everyone in the West is talking about how Iran��s
>>> nuclear program is the greatest threat to the world. In many
>>> ways, I think the threat has been hyped.
>>>
>>> Yes, there��s concern and Iran needs to be more transparent
>>> with the IAEA. We still have outstanding questions about some
>>> of the research they��ve conducted, and we still need to verify
>>> that there aren��t undeclared activities taking place inside of
>>> the country.
>>>
>>> But the idea that we��ll wake up tomorrow and Iran will have a
>>> nuclear weapon is crazy. We just haven��t seen any indication
>>> of that.��
John Manning
> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>
>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool posted
>> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by Mohammed
>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
>
> anii-Semitism.
Fuck you, Rich.
Honest truth
> 嚙瘟R.L.Measures wrote:
>> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>>
>>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool posted
>>> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by Mohammed
>>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
>>
>> 嚙瘟 there are people in this world who are virtually blindeded by their
>> anii-Semitism.
>
>
> Fuck you, Rich.
Wake up John Manning monkey, evolution has left you behind.
last_per...@yahoo.com
> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool posted
> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by Mohammed
> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
Blah blah, so-called "U.S. claims" are nothing but a parroting of the
paranoid
blatherings of the ZioNazis running things.
Must be terrible living every day a paranoid psychopath thinking
everybody
wants to kill you. Anyway, the ZioNazis have atom weapons, Iran
needs
them too.
�R.L.Measures
<jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> �R.L.Measures wrote:
> > In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
> > Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
> >
> >> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool posted
> >> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by Mohammed
> >> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
> >
> > � there are people in this world who are virtually blindeded by their
> > anii-Semitism.
>
>
> Fuck you, Rich.
� bingo.
�R.L.Measures
Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:47:51 -0200, John Manning wrote:
>
> > �ER.L.Measures wrote:
> >> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
> >> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool
posted
> >>> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by
Mohammed
> >>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
> >>
> >> �E there are people in this world who are virtually blindeded by their
> >> anii-Semitism.
> >
> >
> > Fuck you, Rich.
>
> Wake up John Manning monkey, evolution has left you behind.
� and so much hate he no longer sees straight.
John Manning
> In article <1r2i9p1zk2uc0.dnpjzccj8xad$.d...@40tude.net>,
> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:47:51 -0200, John Manning wrote:
>>
>>>> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool
> posted
>>>>> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by
> Mohammed
>>>>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
>>>> anii-Semitism.
>>>
>>> Fuck you, Rich.
>> Wake up John Manning monkey, evolution has left you behind.
>
>
It's hard for me to believe what you just said, Rich.
My position has always been for equal rights and justice for ALL human
beings under the international laws the USA has stood for and signed onto:
Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
worldwide.
Our famous words, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty
and the pursuit of Happiness," did not declare that some men
(and women) are without unalienable rights.
Likewise, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, created by the
United Nations in 1948 and signed and ratified by the U.S. Congress,
specifies in its preamble that "recognition of the inherent dignity and
of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family
is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world."
-You're the homophobic bigot who doesn't think gays should have equal
legal marriage rights [including the title of 'marriage' itself] with
heteros.
You're also the anti-Islamic bigot xenophobe who simply cannot recognize
that Israel has for decades unjustly abused and oppressed the
Palestinian people as a whole - including issuing them different legal
rights in the Israeli courts.
I used to have respect for you, but you have shown yourself to be
nothing more than an ideological xenophobe and homophobic bigot.
John Manning
> In article <1r2i9p1zk2uc0.dnpjzccj8xad$.d...@40tude.net>,
> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:47:51 -0200, John Manning wrote:
>>
>>>> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool
> posted
>>>>> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by
> Mohammed
>>>>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
>>>> anii-Semitism.
>>>
>>> Fuck you, Rich.
>> Wake up John Manning monkey, evolution has left you behind.
>
�R.L.Measures
<jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> �R.L.Measures wrote:
> > In article <1r2i9p1zk2uc0.dnpjzccj8xad$.d...@40tude.net>,
> > Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:47:51 -0200, John Manning wrote:
> >>
> >>> �ER.L.Measures wrote:
> >>>> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
> >>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool
> > posted
> >>>>> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by
> > Mohammed
> >>>>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
> >>>> �E there are people in this world who are virtually blindeded by their
> >>>> anii-Semitism.
> >>>
> >>> Fuck you, Rich.
> >> Wake up John Manning monkey, evolution has left you behind.
> >
> > � and so much hate he no longer sees straight.
> >
>
>
> It's hard for me to believe what you just said, Rich.
� you can take it to the bank John.
>
> My position has always been for equal rights and justice for ALL human
> beings under the international laws the USA has stood for and signed onto:
>
> Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
> for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
> worldwide.
>
> Our famous words, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
> all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
> with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty
> and the pursuit of Happiness," did not declare that some men
> (and women) are without unalienable rights.
>
> Likewise, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, created by the
> United Nations in 1948 and signed and ratified by the U.S. Congress,
> specifies in its preamble that "recognition of the inherent dignity and
> of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family
> is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world."
>
>
> -You're the homophobic bigot who doesn't think gays should have equal
> legal marriage rights [including the title of 'marriage' itself] with
> heteros.
� correct. I don't think a 700-yr old definition should be changed to
accomodate what is essentially a special interest group with unusually
sensitive feelings.
>
> You're also the anti-Islamic bigot xenophobe who simply cannot recognize
> that Israel has for decades unjustly abused and oppressed the
> Palestinian people as a whole - including issuing them different legal
> rights in the Israeli courts.
>
> I used to have respect for you, but you have shown yourself to be
> nothing more than an ideological xenophobe and homophobic bigot.
� shades of Duwayne?
cheers
John Manning
> In article <h9ednYhRFb6RdWvX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>>> In article <1r2i9p1zk2uc0.dnpjzccj8xad$.d...@40tude.net>,
>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:47:51 -0200, John Manning wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> �ER.L.Measures wrote:
>>>>>> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
>>>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool
>>> posted
>>>>>>> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by
>>> Mohammed
>>>>>>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
>>>>>> anii-Semitism.
>>>>> Fuck you, Rich.
>>>> Wake up John Manning monkey, evolution has left you behind.
>>>
>>
>> It's hard for me to believe what you just said, Rich.
>
>> My position has always been for equal rights and justice for ALL human
>> beings under the international laws the USA has stood for and signed onto:
>>
>> Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
>> for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
>> worldwide.
>>
>> Our famous words, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
>> all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
>> with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty
>> and the pursuit of Happiness," did not declare that some men
>> (and women) are without unalienable rights.
>>
>> Likewise, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, created by the
>> United Nations in 1948 and signed and ratified by the U.S. Congress,
>> specifies in its preamble that "recognition of the inherent dignity and
>> of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family
>> is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world."
>>
>>
>> -You're the homophobic bigot who doesn't think gays should have equal
>> legal marriage rights [including the title of 'marriage' itself] with
>> heteros.
>
> accomodate what is essentially a special interest group with unusually
> sensitive feelings.
>> You're also the anti-Islamic bigot xenophobe who simply cannot recognize
>> that Israel has for decades unjustly abused and oppressed the
>> Palestinian people as a whole - including issuing them different legal
>> rights in the Israeli courts.
>>
>> I used to have respect for you, but you have shown yourself to be
>> nothing more than an ideological xenophobe and homophobic bigot.
>
>
Nope. I see shades of ideological xenophobia and homophobic bigotry.
> cheers
>
�R.L.Measures
<jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> �R.L.Measures wrote:
> > In article <h9ednYhRFb6RdWvX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
> > <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >
> >> �R.L.Measures wrote:
> >>> In article <1r2i9p1zk2uc0.dnpjzccj8xad$.d...@40tude.net>,
> >>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:47:51 -0200, John Manning wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> �ER.L.Measures wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
> >>>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool
> >>> posted
> >>>>>>> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by
> >>> Mohammed
> >>>>>>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
> >>>>>> �E there are people in this world who are virtually blindeded by their
> >>>>>> anii-Semitism.
> >>>>> Fuck you, Rich.
> >>>> Wake up John Manning monkey, evolution has left you behind.
> >>> � and so much hate he no longer sees straight.
> >>>
> >>
> >> It's hard for me to believe what you just said, Rich.
> >
> > � you can take it to the bank John.
> >> My position has always been for equal rights and justice for ALL human
> >> beings under the international laws the USA has stood for and signed onto:
> >>
> >> Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
> >> for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
> >> worldwide.
> >>
> >> Our famous words, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
> >> all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
> >> with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty
> >> and the pursuit of Happiness," did not declare that some men
> >> (and women) are without unalienable rights.
> >>
> >> Likewise, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, created by the
> >> United Nations in 1948 and signed and ratified by the U.S. Congress,
> >> specifies in its preamble that "recognition of the inherent dignity and
> >> of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family
> >> is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world."
> >>
> >>
> >> -You're the homophobic bigot who doesn't think gays should have equal
> >> legal marriage rights [including the title of 'marriage' itself] with
> >> heteros.
> >
> > � correct. I don't think a 700-yr old definition should be changed to
> > accomodate what is essentially a special interest group with unusually
> > sensitive feelings.
> >> You're also the anti-Islamic bigot xenophobe who simply cannot recognize
> >> that Israel has for decades unjustly abused and oppressed the
> >> Palestinian people as a whole - including issuing them different legal
> >> rights in the Israeli courts.
> >>
> >> I used to have respect for you, but you have shown yourself to be
> >> nothing more than an ideological xenophobe and homophobic bigot.
> >
> > � shades of Duwayne?
> >
>
>
> Nope. I see shades of ideological xenophobia and homophobic bigotry.
>
� Gay couples have the right to form unions called domestic
partnerships. Straight couples have the same rights -- but the name of
the union is different.
fla...@verizon.net
On 8-Nov-2009, r...@somis.org (�R.L.Measures) wrote:
> > Nope. I see shades of ideological xenophobia and homophobic bigotry.
> >
> � Gay couples have the right to form unions called domestic
> partnerships. Straight couples have the same rights -- but the name of
> the union is different.
And the Supreme Court long ago recognized that "separate is not equal".
It's not the same rights because it's not the same thing.
Susan
Joe Bruno
The Supreme Court's ruling on that issue(Brown vs Board of Education,
1954) pertained only to school segregation and the idea of separate
physical facilities for Blacks and Whites. You really are completely
nuts, besides being a lying ignoramus.
Joe Bruno
> "Nobody is sitting in Iran today developing nuclear weapons.
> somehow, everyone in the West is talking about how Iran’s
> nuclear program is the greatest threat to the world. In many
> ways, I think the threat has been hyped.
>
> with the IAEA. We still have outstanding questions about some
> that there aren’t undeclared activities taking place inside of
> the country.
>
> But the idea that we’ll wake up tomorrow and Iran will have a
> nuclear weapon is crazy. We just haven’t seen any indication
> of that.”
>
> ~Mohammed El Baradei, the current IAEA headhttp://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2009/09/hyperventilating-about-the-ir...
This has nothing to do with Judaism and is therefore off-topic.
Your IP will be informed.
Jewdas
>>
>>>> Nope. I see shades of ideological xenophobia and homophobic bigotry.
>>> partnerships. Straight couples have the same rights -- but the name of
>>> the union is different.
>> And the Supreme Court long ago recognized that "separate is not equal".
>> It's not the same rights because it's not the same thing.
>>
>> Susan
>
> The Supreme Court's ruling on that issue(Brown vs Board of Education,
> 1954) pertained only to school segregation and the idea of separate
> physical facilities for Blacks and Whites. You really are completely
> nuts, besides being a lying ignoramus.
Joey! Joey! Joey! She is one of your converts. Take her out quietly and
put her out of her misery.
fla...@verizon.net
Except, of course, for the general principle that it set as a precedent.
http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/9/5/6/7/p95675_index.html
> You really are completely
> nuts, besides being a lying ignoramus.
Wow, it really burns you up that you're so stupid and I'm not.
Why else would you go this insanely ballistic over being wrong
yet again?
Susan
John Manning
> In article <w8mdnee2HrBb1mrX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>>> In article <h9ednYhRFb6RdWvX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> In article <1r2i9p1zk2uc0.dnpjzccj8xad$.d...@40tude.net>,
>>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:47:51 -0200, John Manning wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> �ER.L.Measures wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
>>>>>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool
>>>>> posted
>>>>>>>>> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by
>>>>> Mohammed
>>>>>>>>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
>>>>>>>> anii-Semitism.
>>>>>>> Fuck you, Rich.
>>>>>> Wake up John Manning monkey, evolution has left you behind.
>>>>>
>>>> It's hard for me to believe what you just said, Rich.
>
>>>> My position has always been for equal rights and justice for ALL human
>>>> beings under the international laws the USA has stood for and signed onto:
>>>>
>>>> Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
>>>> for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
>>>> worldwide.
>>>>
>>>> Our famous words, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
>>>> all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
>>>> with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty
>>>> and the pursuit of Happiness," did not declare that some men
>>>> (and women) are without unalienable rights.
>>>>
>>>> Likewise, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, created by the
>>>> United Nations in 1948 and signed and ratified by the U.S. Congress,
>>>> specifies in its preamble that "recognition of the inherent dignity and
>>>> of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family
>>>> is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -You're the homophobic bigot who doesn't think gays should have equal
>>>> legal marriage rights [including the title of 'marriage' itself] with
>>>> heteros.
>>> accomodate what is essentially a special interest group with unusually
>>> sensitive feelings.
>
>>>> You're also the anti-Islamic bigot xenophobe who simply cannot recognize
>>>> that Israel has for decades unjustly abused and oppressed the
>>>> Palestinian people as a whole - including issuing them different legal
>>>> rights in the Israeli courts.
>>>>
>>>> I used to have respect for you, but you have shown yourself to be
>>>> nothing more than an ideological xenophobe and homophobic bigot.
>>
>> Nope. I see shades of ideological xenophobia and homophobic bigotry.
>>
> partnerships. Straight couples have the same rights -- but the name of
> the union is different.
>
Generation after generation, people have fought to get rid of the
"....except for"s: except for blacks, except for women, etc.
Today, we challenge the latest prejudice to raise its ugly head and seek
to repudiate the fundamental American dedication to freedom and equality
for all. The idea that there should be God-given life, liberty and the
pursuit of happiness "except for gays" is unworthy of our national
character.
If someone thinks homosexuality is immoral, they have a right to believe
that. But they do not have the right to change our fundamental freedoms.
For many, many people, getting married is one of the most important
things they will ever do in the pursuit of happiness. And there is
nothing, absolutely nothing, in the Constitution of the United States
that suggests any group of people has the right to limit another, no
matter how many referendums or propositions they put onto a ballot.
The U.S. Constitution reigns supreme.
[re: Marianne Williamson - Sexual Orientation and the Pursuit of Happiness]
Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
worldwide.
=
You're from a dying off bunch of xenophobic and homophobic bigots,
Measures - plain and simple.
I thought you had a bigger vision than that kind of limited
small-mindedness. You don't. You're a classic bigot.
John Manning
> On Nov 7, 10:50 am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>> "Nobody is sitting in Iran today developing nuclear weapons.
>> somehow, everyone in the West is talking about how Iran�s
>> nuclear program is the greatest threat to the world. In many
>> ways, I think the threat has been hyped.
>>
>> with the IAEA. We still have outstanding questions about some
>> that there aren�t undeclared activities taking place inside of
>> the country.
>>
>> But the idea that we�ll wake up tomorrow and Iran will have a
>> nuclear weapon is crazy. We just haven�t seen any indication
>> of that.�
>>
>> ~Mohammed El Baradei, the current IAEA headhttp://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2009/09/hyperventilating-about-the-ir...
>
> This has nothing to do with Judaism and is therefore off-topic.
> Your IP will be informed.
Like I said, they'll laugh at you.
You don't have a clue how usenet works. For someone who claims to know
law, you're dumber than a sack of dog shit.
�R.L.Measures
<jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> �R.L.Measures wrote:
> > In article <w8mdnee2HrBb1mrX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
> > <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >
> >> �R.L.Measures wrote:
> >>> In article <h9ednYhRFb6RdWvX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
> >>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> �R.L.Measures wrote:
> >>>>> In article <1r2i9p1zk2uc0.dnpjzccj8xad$.d...@40tude.net>,
> >>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:47:51 -0200, John Manning wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> �ER.L.Measures wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
> >>>>>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool
> >>>>> posted
> >>>>>>>>> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by
> >>>>> Mohammed
> >>>>>>>>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
> >>>>>>>> �E there are people in this world who are virtually blindeded
by their
> >>>>>>>> anii-Semitism.
> >>>>>>> Fuck you, Rich.
> >>>>>> Wake up John Manning monkey, evolution has left you behind.
> >>>>> � and so much hate he no longer sees straight.
> >>>>>
> >>>> It's hard for me to believe what you just said, Rich.
> >>> � you can take it to the bank John.
> >
> >>>> My position has always been for equal rights and justice for ALL human
> >>>> beings under the international laws the USA has stood for and
signed onto:
> >>>>
> >>>> Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
> >>>> for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
> >>>> worldwide.
> >>>>
> >>>> Our famous words, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
> >>>> all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
> >>>> with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty
> >>>> and the pursuit of Happiness," did not declare that some men
> >>>> (and women) are without unalienable rights.
> >>>>
> >>>> Likewise, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, created by the
> >>>> United Nations in 1948 and signed and ratified by the U.S. Congress,
> >>>> specifies in its preamble that "recognition of the inherent dignity and
> >>>> of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family
> >>>> is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -You're the homophobic bigot who doesn't think gays should have equal
> >>>> legal marriage rights [including the title of 'marriage' itself] with
> >>>> heteros.
> >>> � correct. I don't think a 700-yr old definition should be changed to
> >>> accomodate what is essentially a special interest group with unusually
> >>> sensitive feelings.
> >
> >>>> You're also the anti-Islamic bigot xenophobe who simply cannot recognize
> >>>> that Israel has for decades unjustly abused and oppressed the
> >>>> Palestinian people as a whole - including issuing them different legal
> >>>> rights in the Israeli courts.
> >>>>
> >>>> I used to have respect for you, but you have shown yourself to be
> >>>> nothing more than an ideological xenophobe and homophobic bigot.
> >>> � shades of Duwayne?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Nope. I see shades of ideological xenophobia and homophobic bigotry.
> >>
> > � Gay couples have the right to form unions called domestic
> > partnerships. Straight couples have the same rights -- but the name of
> > the union is different.
> >
>
>
> Generation after generation, people have fought to get rid of the
> "....except for"s: except for blacks, except for women, etc.
>
� the difference is that marriages typically produce human beings.
> Today, we challenge the latest prejudice to raise its ugly head and seek
> to repudiate the fundamental American dedication to freedom and equality
> for all. The idea that there should be God-given life, liberty and the
> pursuit of happiness "except for gays" is unworthy of our national
> character.
>
> If someone thinks homosexuality is immoral, they have a right to believe
> that. But they do not have the right to change our fundamental freedoms.
� I do not think homosexuality is immoral, but I do think the 700-yr olf
definition of the word 'marriage' should not be changed by a tiny special
interest group.
>
> For many, many people, getting married is one of the most important
> things they will ever do in the pursuit of happiness.
� This is clearly a delusion. I've been married for 34-yrs and I can
assure you that it has been a hellish trip through a minefield.
>And there is
> nothing, absolutely nothing, in the Constitution of the United States
> that suggests any group of people has the right to limit another, no
> matter how many referendums or propositions they put onto a ballot.
� There is nothing in the Constitution that says that a special interest
group has any right to change the definition of a word.
>
> The U.S. Constitution reigns supreme.
>
> [re: Marianne Williamson - Sexual Orientation and the Pursuit of Happiness]
>
> Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
> for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
> worldwide.
>
> =
>
> You're from a dying off bunch of xenophobic and homophobic bigots,
> Measures - plain and simple.
� Listening to two anti-Semites on this Newsgroup rant about bigotry is a
laugher.
>
> I thought you had a bigger vision than that kind of limited
> small-mindedness. You don't. You're a classic bigot.
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
John Manning
> In article <f--dnT53ULMVmWXX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>>> In article <w8mdnee2HrBb1mrX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> In article <h9ednYhRFb6RdWvX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> �R.L.Measures wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <1r2i9p1zk2uc0.dnpjzccj8xad$.d...@40tude.net>,
>>>>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:47:51 -0200, John Manning wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> �ER.L.Measures wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
>>>>>>>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning the fool
>>>>>>> posted
>>>>>>>>>>> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by
>>>>>>> Mohammed
>>>>>>>>>>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
> by their
>>>>>>>>>> anii-Semitism.
>>>>>>>>> Fuck you, Rich.
>>>>>>>> Wake up John Manning monkey, evolution has left you behind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's hard for me to believe what you just said, Rich.
>>>>>> My position has always been for equal rights and justice for ALL human
>>>>>> beings under the international laws the USA has stood for and
> signed onto:
>>>>>> Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
>>>>>> for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
>>>>>> worldwide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our famous words, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
>>>>>> all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
>>>>>> with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty
>>>>>> and the pursuit of Happiness," did not declare that some men
>>>>>> (and women) are without unalienable rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Likewise, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, created by the
>>>>>> United Nations in 1948 and signed and ratified by the U.S. Congress,
>>>>>> specifies in its preamble that "recognition of the inherent dignity and
>>>>>> of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family
>>>>>> is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -You're the homophobic bigot who doesn't think gays should have equal
>>>>>> legal marriage rights [including the title of 'marriage' itself] with
>>>>>> heteros.
>>>>> accomodate what is essentially a special interest group with unusually
>>>>> sensitive feelings.
>>>>>> You're also the anti-Islamic bigot xenophobe who simply cannot recognize
>>>>>> that Israel has for decades unjustly abused and oppressed the
>>>>>> Palestinian people as a whole - including issuing them different legal
>>>>>> rights in the Israeli courts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used to have respect for you, but you have shown yourself to be
>>>>>> nothing more than an ideological xenophobe and homophobic bigot.
>>>> Nope. I see shades of ideological xenophobia and homophobic bigotry.
>>>>
>>> partnerships. Straight couples have the same rights -- but the name of
>>> the union is different.
>>>
>>
>> Generation after generation, people have fought to get rid of the
>> "....except for"s: except for blacks, except for women, etc.
>>
>> Today, we challenge the latest prejudice to raise its ugly head and seek
>> to repudiate the fundamental American dedication to freedom and equality
>> for all. The idea that there should be God-given life, liberty and the
>> pursuit of happiness "except for gays" is unworthy of our national
>> character.
>>
>> If someone thinks homosexuality is immoral, they have a right to believe
>> that. But they do not have the right to change our fundamental freedoms.
>
> definition of the word 'marriage' should not be changed by a tiny special
> interest group.
>> For many, many people, getting married is one of the most important
>> things they will ever do in the pursuit of happiness.
>
> assure you that it has been a hellish trip through a minefield.
>
>> And there is
>> nothing, absolutely nothing, in the Constitution of the United States
>> that suggests any group of people has the right to limit another, no
>> matter how many referendums or propositions they put onto a ballot.
>
> group has any right to change the definition of a word.
>> The U.S. Constitution reigns supreme.
>>
>> [re: Marianne Williamson - Sexual Orientation and the Pursuit of Happiness]
>>
>> Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
>> for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
>> worldwide.
>>
>> =
>>
>> You're from a dying off bunch of xenophobic and homophobic bigots,
>> Measures - plain and simple.
>
> laugher.
For you to suggest that either Duwayne or myself are anti-Semitic is a
clear indication of your willful blindness to the facts we have both
presented.
Like Mormons [or any other entrenched ideologues] who have been exposed
for their bigotries, hypocrisies and transparent denials, you resort to
making up insults that have no basis in reality.
I can only speak for myself but from what I've seen of Duwayne's
material, he like myself, stands firmly for *EQUAL* rights and *EQUAL*
treatment under international law for *ALL* human beings.
You indeed ARE a bigot.
The fact that you ARE a bigot is plain and obvious in the exclusionary
'except for' positions you have taken against both gays and the
Palestinians. You have excluded each group of human beings from *EQUAL*
rights and *EQUAL* protection under international law.
It's assholes like you who perpetuate divisivenesses and hatred in the
world.
== My statements stand as fact: "You're from a dying off bunch of
xenophobic and homophobic bigots, Measures - plain and simple.
I thought you had a bigger vision than that kind of limited
Joe Bruno
> On 9-Nov-2009, Joe Bruno <joebr...@usa.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 8, 9:56 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> > > On 8-Nov-2009, r...@somis.org (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
>
> > > > > Nope. I see shades of ideological xenophobia and homophobic bigotry.
>
> > > > • Gay couples have the right to form unions called domestic
> > > > partnerships. Straight couples have the same rights -- but the name
> > > > of
> > > > the union is different.
>
> > > And the Supreme Court long ago recognized that "separate is not equal".
> > > It's not the same rights because it's not the same thing.
>
> > > Susan
>
> > The Supreme Court's ruling on that issue(Brown vs Board of Education,
> > 1954) pertained only to school segregation and the idea of separate
> > physical facilities for Blacks and Whites.
>
> Except, of course, for the general principle that it set as a precedent.
>
>
> > You really are completely
> > nuts, besides being a lying ignoramus.
>
> Wow, it really burns you up that you're so stupid and I'm not.
> Why else would you go this insanely ballistic over being wrong
> yet again?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Legal precedents are specific to the facts of the case. The paper you
presented is philosophical claptrap.
It has nothing to do with law.
Ike E 11/05/09
"John Manning" <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:peydnQrYidXxiGXX...@giganews.com...
[snip]
> The fact that you ARE a bigot is plain and obvious in the exclusionary
> 'except for' positions you have taken against both gays and the
> Palestinians. You have excluded each group of human beings from *EQUAL*
> rights and *EQUAL* protection under international law.
>
> It's assholes like you who perpetuate divisivenesses and hatred in the
> world.
Ah, no, it's assholes like YOU who are going to DESTROY IT.
Homosexuality is a pointless and destructive deviant BEHAVIOR condemned
(along with every other deviant sexual behavior) by God, not a "race" or
"gender;" and God says NO ONE BELONGS IN ISRAEL EXCEPT ISRAEL.
That makes YOU the "asshole" in God's book.
[snip]
Ike
�R.L.Measures
<jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> �R.L.Measures wrote:
> > In article <f--dnT53ULMVmWXX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
> > <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >
> >> �R.L.Measures wrote:
> >>> In article <w8mdnee2HrBb1mrX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
> >>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> �R.L.Measures wrote:
> >>>>> In article <h9ednYhRFb6RdWvX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
> >>>>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> �R.L.Measures wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <1r2i9p1zk2uc0.dnpjzccj8xad$.d...@40tude.net>,
> >>>>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:47:51 -0200, John Manning wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> �ER.L.Measures wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
> >>>>>>>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning
the fool
> >>>>>>> posted
> >>>>>>>>>>> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by
> >>>>>>> Mohammed
> >>>>>>>>>>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
> >>>>>>>>>> �E there are people in this world who are virtually blindeded
> > by their
> >>>>>>>>>> anii-Semitism.
> >>>>>>>>> Fuck you, Rich.
> >>>>>>>> Wake up John Manning monkey, evolution has left you behind.
> >>>>>>> � and so much hate he no longer sees straight.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's hard for me to believe what you just said, Rich.
> >>>>> � you can take it to the bank John.
> >>>>>> My position has always been for equal rights and justice for ALL human
> >>>>>> beings under the international laws the USA has stood for and
> > signed onto:
> >>>>>> Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
> >>>>>> for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
> >>>>>> worldwide.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Our famous words, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
> >>>>>> all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
> >>>>>> with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty
> >>>>>> and the pursuit of Happiness," did not declare that some men
> >>>>>> (and women) are without unalienable rights.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Likewise, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, created by the
> >>>>>> United Nations in 1948 and signed and ratified by the U.S. Congress,
> >>>>>> specifies in its preamble that "recognition of the inherent
dignity and
> >>>>>> of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human
family
> >>>>>> is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -You're the homophobic bigot who doesn't think gays should have equal
> >>>>>> legal marriage rights [including the title of 'marriage' itself] with
> >>>>>> heteros.
> >>>>> � correct. I don't think a 700-yr old definition should be changed to
> >>>>> accomodate what is essentially a special interest group with unusually
> >>>>> sensitive feelings.
> >>>>>> You're also the anti-Islamic bigot xenophobe who simply cannot
recognize
> >>>>>> that Israel has for decades unjustly abused and oppressed the
> >>>>>> Palestinian people as a whole - including issuing them different legal
> >>>>>> rights in the Israeli courts.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I used to have respect for you, but you have shown yourself to be
> >>>>>> nothing more than an ideological xenophobe and homophobic bigot.
> >>>>> � shades of Duwayne?
> >>>>>
> >>>> Nope. I see shades of ideological xenophobia and homophobic bigotry.
> >>>>
> >>> � Gay couples have the right to form unions called domestic
> >>> partnerships. Straight couples have the same rights -- but the name of
> >>> the union is different.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Generation after generation, people have fought to get rid of the
> >> "....except for"s: except for blacks, except for women, etc.
> >>
> > � the difference is that marriages typically produce human beings.
> >
> >> Today, we challenge the latest prejudice to raise its ugly head and seek
> >> to repudiate the fundamental American dedication to freedom and equality
> >> for all. The idea that there should be God-given life, liberty and the
> >> pursuit of happiness "except for gays" is unworthy of our national
> >> character.
> >>
> >> If someone thinks homosexuality is immoral, they have a right to believe
> >> that. But they do not have the right to change our fundamental freedoms.
> >
> > � I do not think homosexuality is immoral, but I do think the 700-yr old
> > definition of the word 'marriage' should not be changed by a tiny special
> > interest group.
> >> For many, many people, getting married is one of the most important
> >> things they will ever do in the pursuit of happiness.
> >
> > � This is clearly a delusion. I've been married for 34-yrs and I can
> > assure you that it has been a hellish trip through a minefield.
> >
> >> And there is
> >> nothing, absolutely nothing, in the Constitution of the United States
> >> that suggests any group of people has the right to limit another, no
> >> matter how many referendums or propositions they put onto a ballot.
> >
> > � There is nothing in the Constitution that says that a special interest
> > group has any right to change the definition of a word.
> >> The U.S. Constitution reigns supreme.
> >>
> >> [re: Marianne Williamson - Sexual Orientation and the Pursuit of Happiness]
> >>
> >> Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
> >> for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
> >> worldwide.
> >>
> >> =
> >>
> >> You're from a dying off bunch of xenophobic and homophobic bigots,
> >> Measures - plain and simple.
> >
> > � Listening to two anti-Semites on this Newsgroup rant about bigotry is a
> > laugher.
>
>
> For you to suggest that either Duwayne or myself are anti-Semitic is a
> clear indication of your willful blindness to the facts we have both
> presented.
� Guffaw! Both of you hate "kikes", "yids" on and on.
>
> Like Mormons [or any other entrenched ideologues] who have been exposed
> for their bigotries, hypocrisies and transparent denials, you resort to
> making up insults that have no basis in reality.
>
� you can fool some of the people some of the time ...
> I can only speak for myself but from what I've seen of Duwayne's
> material, he like myself, stands firmly for *EQUAL* rights and *EQUAL*
> treatment under international law for *ALL* human beings.
>
> You indeed ARE a bigot.
>
> The fact that you ARE a bigot is plain and obvious in the exclusionary
> 'except for' positions you have taken against both gays and the
> Palestinians. You have excluded each group of human beings from *EQUAL*
> rights and *EQUAL* protection under international law.
>
� Non-hetero domestic partners have the same rights as hetero married
couples -- and neither group has the right to change English word
definitions.
> It's assholes like you who perpetuate divisivenesses and hatred in the
> world.
� it's only a definition John.
>
> == My statements stand as fact: "You're from a dying off bunch of
> xenophobic and homophobic bigots, Measures - plain and simple.
>
> I thought you had a bigger vision than that kind of limited
> small-mindedness. You don't. You're a classic bigot."
>
� ... only because I won't go along with the attempt to change the
definition of the word marriage.
John Manning
> In article <peydnQrYidXxiGXX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>>> In article <f--dnT53ULMVmWXX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> In article <w8mdnee2HrBb1mrX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> �R.L.Measures wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <h9ednYhRFb6RdWvX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>>>>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> �R.L.Measures wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <1r2i9p1zk2uc0.dnpjzccj8xad$.d...@40tude.net>,
>>>>>>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:47:51 -0200, John Manning wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> �ER.L.Measures wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning
> the fool
>>>>>>>>> posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but never read he would have found the US claims are confirmed by
>>>>>>>>> Mohammed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
>>> by their
>>>>>>>>>>>> anii-Semitism.
>>>>>>>>>>> Fuck you, Rich.
>>>>>>>>>> Wake up John Manning monkey, evolution has left you behind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's hard for me to believe what you just said, Rich.
>>>>>>>> My position has always been for equal rights and justice for ALL human
>>>>>>>> beings under the international laws the USA has stood for and
>>> signed onto:
>>>>>>>> Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
>>>>>>>> for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
>>>>>>>> worldwide.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our famous words, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
>>>>>>>> all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
>>>>>>>> with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty
>>>>>>>> and the pursuit of Happiness," did not declare that some men
>>>>>>>> (and women) are without unalienable rights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Likewise, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, created by the
>>>>>>>> United Nations in 1948 and signed and ratified by the U.S. Congress,
>>>>>>>> specifies in its preamble that "recognition of the inherent
> dignity and
>>>>>>>> of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human
> family
>>>>>>>> is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -You're the homophobic bigot who doesn't think gays should have equal
>>>>>>>> legal marriage rights [including the title of 'marriage' itself] with
>>>>>>>> heteros.
>>>>>>> accomodate what is essentially a special interest group with unusually
>>>>>>> sensitive feelings.
>>>>>>>> You're also the anti-Islamic bigot xenophobe who simply cannot
> recognize
>>>>>>>> that Israel has for decades unjustly abused and oppressed the
>>>>>>>> Palestinian people as a whole - including issuing them different legal
>>>>>>>> rights in the Israeli courts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used to have respect for you, but you have shown yourself to be
>>>>>>>> nothing more than an ideological xenophobe and homophobic bigot.
>>>>>> Nope. I see shades of ideological xenophobia and homophobic bigotry.
>>>>>>
>>>>> partnerships. Straight couples have the same rights -- but the name of
>>>>> the union is different.
>>>>>
>>>> Generation after generation, people have fought to get rid of the
>>>> "....except for"s: except for blacks, except for women, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Today, we challenge the latest prejudice to raise its ugly head and seek
>>>> to repudiate the fundamental American dedication to freedom and equality
>>>> for all. The idea that there should be God-given life, liberty and the
>>>> pursuit of happiness "except for gays" is unworthy of our national
>>>> character.
>>>>
>>>> If someone thinks homosexuality is immoral, they have a right to believe
>>>> that. But they do not have the right to change our fundamental freedoms.
>>> definition of the word 'marriage' should not be changed by a tiny special
>>> interest group.
>
>>>> For many, many people, getting married is one of the most important
>>>> things they will ever do in the pursuit of happiness.
>>> assure you that it has been a hellish trip through a minefield.
>>>
>>>> And there is
>>>> nothing, absolutely nothing, in the Constitution of the United States
>>>> that suggests any group of people has the right to limit another, no
>>>> matter how many referendums or propositions they put onto a ballot.
>>> group has any right to change the definition of a word.
>>>> The U.S. Constitution reigns supreme.
>>>>
>>>> [re: Marianne Williamson - Sexual Orientation and the Pursuit of Happiness]
>>>>
>>>> Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
>>>> for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
>>>> worldwide.
>>>>
>>>> =
>>>>
>>>> You're from a dying off bunch of xenophobic and homophobic bigots,
>>>> Measures - plain and simple.
>>> laugher.
>>
>> For you to suggest that either Duwayne or myself are anti-Semitic is a
>> clear indication of your willful blindness to the facts we have both
>> presented.
>
>> for their bigotries, hypocrisies and transparent denials, you resort to
>> making up insults that have no basis in reality.
>>
>
>> I can only speak for myself but from what I've seen of Duwayne's
>> material, he like myself, stands firmly for *EQUAL* rights and *EQUAL*
>> treatment under international law for *ALL* human beings.
>>
>> You indeed ARE a bigot.
>>
>> The fact that you ARE a bigot is plain and obvious in the exclusionary
>> 'except for' positions you have taken against both gays and the
>> Palestinians. You have excluded each group of human beings from *EQUAL*
>> rights and *EQUAL* protection under international law.
>>
> couples -- and neither group has the right to change English word
> definitions.
>
>> It's assholes like you who perpetuate divisivenesses and hatred in the
>> world.
>
>> xenophobic and homophobic bigots, Measures - plain and simple.
>>
>> I thought you had a bigger vision than that kind of limited
>> small-mindedness. You don't. You're a classic bigot."
>>
> definition of the word marriage.
>
You're an anti-Palestinian xenophobic bigot and a homophobic bigot,
Measures, plain and simple.
Ben Kaufman
Actually, this one does indirectly, because Iran is a serious threat to Israel's
safety , both from the possibility of nuclear weapons and their supplying of
militant groups with conventional weapons, like the shipment that was
intercepted last week.
Ben
fla...@verizon.net
On 9-Nov-2009, Joe Bruno <joeb...@usa.com> wrote:
No one said otherwise.
>The paper you
> presented is philosophical claptrap.
> It has nothing to do with law.
Funny how the people who wrote it are lawyers, & you're not.
Susan
Majd al-Din
> On 9-Nov-2009, Joe Bruno <joeb...@usa.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 8, 11:47 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>>> On 9-Nov-2009, Joe Bruno <joebr...@usa.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 8, 9:56 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>>>>>>> Nope. I see shades of ideological xenophobia and homophobic
>>>>>> bigotry.
Nobody can lie better or more profoundly then a Jew Lawyer. Sowsan
blows nasty lies all over the net in an attempt to emulate and make
folks think she is a real inbred Jew.
�R.L.Measures
<jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> �E there are people in this world who are virtually blindeded
> >>> by their
> >>>>>>>>>>>> anii-Semitism.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Fuck you, Rich.
> >>>>>>>>>> Wake up John Manning monkey, evolution has left you behind.
> >>>>>>>>> � and so much hate he no longer sees straight.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's hard for me to believe what you just said, Rich.
> >>>>>>> � you can take it to the bank John.
> >>>>>>> � correct. I don't think a 700-yr old definition should be
changed to
> >>>>>>> accomodate what is essentially a special interest group with unusually
> >>>>>>> sensitive feelings.
> >>>>>>>> You're also the anti-Islamic bigot xenophobe who simply cannot
> > recognize
> >>>>>>>> that Israel has for decades unjustly abused and oppressed the
> >>>>>>>> Palestinian people as a whole - including issuing them
different legal
> >>>>>>>> rights in the Israeli courts.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I used to have respect for you, but you have shown yourself to be
> >>>>>>>> nothing more than an ideological xenophobe and homophobic bigot.
> >>>>>>> � shades of Duwayne?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nope. I see shades of ideological xenophobia and homophobic bigotry.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> � Gay couples have the right to form unions called domestic
> >>>>> partnerships. Straight couples have the same rights -- but the name of
> >>>>> the union is different.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Generation after generation, people have fought to get rid of the
> >>>> "....except for"s: except for blacks, except for women, etc.
> >>>>
> >>> � the difference is that marriages typically produce human beings.
> >>>
> >>>> Today, we challenge the latest prejudice to raise its ugly head and seek
> >>>> to repudiate the fundamental American dedication to freedom and equality
> >>>> for all. The idea that there should be God-given life, liberty and the
> >>>> pursuit of happiness "except for gays" is unworthy of our national
> >>>> character.
> >>>>
> >>>> If someone thinks homosexuality is immoral, they have a right to believe
> >>>> that. But they do not have the right to change our fundamental freedoms.
> >>> � I do not think homosexuality is immoral, but I do think the 700-yr old
> >>> definition of the word 'marriage' should not be changed by a tiny special
> >>> interest group.
> >
> >>>> For many, many people, getting married is one of the most important
> >>>> things they will ever do in the pursuit of happiness.
> >>> � This is clearly a delusion. I've been married for 34-yrs and I can
> >>> assure you that it has been a hellish trip through a minefield.
> >>>
> >>>> And there is
> >>>> nothing, absolutely nothing, in the Constitution of the United States
> >>>> that suggests any group of people has the right to limit another, no
> >>>> matter how many referendums or propositions they put onto a ballot.
> >>> � There is nothing in the Constitution that says that a special interest
> >>> group has any right to change the definition of a word.
> >>>> The U.S. Constitution reigns supreme.
> >>>>
> >>>> [re: Marianne Williamson - Sexual Orientation and the Pursuit of
Happiness]
> >>>>
> >>>> Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
> >>>> for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
> >>>> worldwide.
> >>>>
> >>>> =
> >>>>
> >>>> You're from a dying off bunch of xenophobic and homophobic bigots,
> >>>> Measures - plain and simple.
> >>> � Listening to two anti-Semites on this Newsgroup rant about bigotry is a
> >>> laugher.
> >>
> >> For you to suggest that either Duwayne or myself are anti-Semitic is a
> >> clear indication of your willful blindness to the facts we have both
> >> presented.
> >
> > � Guffaw! Both of you hate "kikes", "yids" on and on.
> >> Like Mormons [or any other entrenched ideologues] who have been exposed
> >> for their bigotries, hypocrisies and transparent denials, you resort to
> >> making up insults that have no basis in reality.
> >>
> > � you can fool some of the people some of the time ...
> >
> >> I can only speak for myself but from what I've seen of Duwayne's
> >> material, he like myself, stands firmly for *EQUAL* rights and *EQUAL*
> >> treatment under international law for *ALL* human beings.
> >>
> >> You indeed ARE a bigot.
> >>
> >> The fact that you ARE a bigot is plain and obvious in the exclusionary
> >> 'except for' positions you have taken against both gays and the
> >> Palestinians. You have excluded each group of human beings from *EQUAL*
> >> rights and *EQUAL* protection under international law.
> >>
> > � Non-hetero domestic partners have the same rights as hetero married
> > couples -- and neither group has the right to change English word
> > definitions.
> >
> >> It's assholes like you who perpetuate divisivenesses and hatred in the
> >> world.
> >
> > � it's only a definition John.
> >> == My statements stand as fact: "You're from a dying off bunch of
> >> xenophobic and homophobic bigots, Measures - plain and simple.
> >>
> >> I thought you had a bigger vision than that kind of limited
> >> small-mindedness. You don't. You're a classic bigot."
> >>
> > � ... only because I won't go along with the attempt to change the
> > definition of the word marriage.
> >
>
>
> You're an anti-Palestinian xenophobic bigot and a homophobic bigot,
> Measures, plain and simple.
� _____
John Manning
> In article <iq-dnaPL4IgMEGXX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>>> In article <peydnQrYidXxiGXX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> In article <f--dnT53ULMVmWXX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> �R.L.Measures wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <w8mdnee2HrBb1mrX...@giganews.com>, John Manning
>>>>>>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> �R.L.Measures wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <h9ednYhRFb6RdWvX...@giganews.com>, John
> Manning
>>>>>>>>> <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> �R.L.Measures wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <1r2i9p1zk2uc0.dnpjzccj8xad$.d...@40tude.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:47:51 -0200, John Manning wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> �ER.L.Measures wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <gfx0caxrbbkp$.13xftf1a...@40tude.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honest...@Wisdom.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you had followed the links in the article John Manning
>>> the fool
>>>>>>>>>>> posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but never read he would have found the US claims are
> confirmed by
>>>>>>>>>>> Mohammed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El Baradei, the current IAEA head
>>>>> by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anii-Semitism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fuck you, Rich.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wake up John Manning monkey, evolution has left you behind.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's hard for me to believe what you just said, Rich.
> changed to
>>>>>>>>> accomodate what is essentially a special interest group with unusually
>>>>>>>>> sensitive feelings.
>>>>>>>>>> You're also the anti-Islamic bigot xenophobe who simply cannot
>>> recognize
>>>>>>>>>> that Israel has for decades unjustly abused and oppressed the
>>>>>>>>>> Palestinian people as a whole - including issuing them
> different legal
>>>>>>>>>> rights in the Israeli courts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I used to have respect for you, but you have shown yourself to be
>>>>>>>>>> nothing more than an ideological xenophobe and homophobic bigot.
>>>>>>>> Nope. I see shades of ideological xenophobia and homophobic bigotry.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> partnerships. Straight couples have the same rights -- but the name of
>>>>>>> the union is different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Generation after generation, people have fought to get rid of the
>>>>>> "....except for"s: except for blacks, except for women, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today, we challenge the latest prejudice to raise its ugly head and seek
>>>>>> to repudiate the fundamental American dedication to freedom and equality
>>>>>> for all. The idea that there should be God-given life, liberty and the
>>>>>> pursuit of happiness "except for gays" is unworthy of our national
>>>>>> character.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone thinks homosexuality is immoral, they have a right to believe
>>>>>> that. But they do not have the right to change our fundamental freedoms.
>>>>> definition of the word 'marriage' should not be changed by a tiny special
>>>>> interest group.
>>>>>> For many, many people, getting married is one of the most important
>>>>>> things they will ever do in the pursuit of happiness.
>>>>> assure you that it has been a hellish trip through a minefield.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And there is
>>>>>> nothing, absolutely nothing, in the Constitution of the United States
>>>>>> that suggests any group of people has the right to limit another, no
>>>>>> matter how many referendums or propositions they put onto a ballot.
>>>>> group has any right to change the definition of a word.
>>>>>> The U.S. Constitution reigns supreme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [re: Marianne Williamson - Sexual Orientation and the Pursuit of
> Happiness]
>>>>>> Human Rights belong to people collectively. To believe in rights
>>>>>> for some and not others is a denial of the humanness of people
>>>>>> worldwide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're from a dying off bunch of xenophobic and homophobic bigots,
>>>>>> Measures - plain and simple.
>>>>> laugher.
>>>> For you to suggest that either Duwayne or myself are anti-Semitic is a
>>>> clear indication of your willful blindness to the facts we have both
>>>> presented.
>>>> for their bigotries, hypocrisies and transparent denials, you resort to
>>>> making up insults that have no basis in reality.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I can only speak for myself but from what I've seen of Duwayne's
>>>> material, he like myself, stands firmly for *EQUAL* rights and *EQUAL*
>>>> treatment under international law for *ALL* human beings.
>>>>
>>>> You indeed ARE a bigot.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that you ARE a bigot is plain and obvious in the exclusionary
>>>> 'except for' positions you have taken against both gays and the
>>>> Palestinians. You have excluded each group of human beings from *EQUAL*
>>>> rights and *EQUAL* protection under international law.
>>>>
>>> couples -- and neither group has the right to change English word
>>> definitions.
>>>
>>>> It's assholes like you who perpetuate divisivenesses and hatred in the
>>>> world.
>>>> xenophobic and homophobic bigots, Measures - plain and simple.
>>>>
>>>> I thought you had a bigger vision than that kind of limited
>>>> small-mindedness. You don't. You're a classic bigot."
>>>>
>>> definition of the word marriage.
>>>
>>
>> You're an anti-Palestinian xenophobic bigot and a homophobic bigot,
>> Measures, plain and simple.
>
>
Measures, the bigot, is defenseless.
Duwaynea Anderson
> In article <f--dnT53ULMVmWXXnZ2dnUVZ_qOdn...@giganews.com>, John Manning
<snip>
> > You're from a dying off bunch of xenophobic and homophobic bigots,
> > Measures - plain and simple.
>
> • Listening to two anti-Semites on this Newsgroup rant about bigotry is a
> laugher.
Rich Measures is an honored member of the "gang of shame;" a group of
radicals that refuses to unconditionally condemn genocide. for Rich
Measures, unconditional condemnation of genocide is "anti-Semitic."
You can read some of the comments posted by the "gang of
shame" (complete with links to the original statements) at the
following link:
Needless to say, the *real* anti-Semites are the ones that refuse to
unconditionally condemn genocide, the crime that killed so many of
them.
<snip to end>