Deborah says
HHW
> Note the dishonest heading: "UN not permitted......(to use the word "Nakba")
According to Danny Carmon, he UN is not permitted the use of the term
"Nakba" and according to Deborah, HW is not permitted even the use of
mild satire. It's amazing isn't it that at least so far as my tenure
here is concened, such rules have not applied. You haven't been able
to control the dialogue. In fact you have no influence on it
whatever.
In the beginning you chose the "scholarly" approach. That
disintegrated almost immediately because there is neither moral nor
legal basis for your position. Now you're reduced to pure insult,
covering yourself and the tattered remnants of neozionism with filth.
Face it, Deborah, Israel is withdrawing from the West Bank and the
Golan and is relinquishing its right to bomb civilians in Gaza. I know
you're grief stricken, but you must ask why? It's because occupying
them in war and trying to keep them is immoral and illegal. It's
because the occupation has not just been morally obnoxious but a
continuing war crime. It's also because the manipulation of the
American people has taken despicable forms. And it's because the
entire world community is sick of this bullshit, sick of the
gratuitous bloodshed, sick of what you as a Zionist drang nach Osten
type represent.
Remember this, most American Jews and most Israelis want a settlement.
You're swimming upstream and your own filth is enveloping both you and
the neozionist cause.
HHW
One doesn't have to be a Jew hater to detest Deborah, a one-woman
proliferator of anti-Semitism who has dedicated her life to ensuring
that the incompetent Israeli leadership and the Israel lobby will
always have something to whine about.
dsha...@hotmail.com
> > Note the dishonest heading: "UN not permitted......(to use the word "Nakba")
On May 19, 11:30 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> According to Danny Carmon, he UN is not permitted the use of the term
> "Nakba"
Correction: IIRC, according to the article YOU posted, Carmon
PROTESTED the UN Secretary General's use of the stupid term.
Try reading what you paste, maybe you'll come off sounding less an
idiot than you already have.
Although I have to thank you for your claim that your few months'
service as a Marine on the Kearsarge allowed you to acquire
"substantial knowledge" of that vessel. That provided some chuckles to
a couple of Navy vets who actually served on a flattop, in addition to
being one of the very few posts in which your sounding the idiot you
are was actually worth it.
Deborah
Mirelle
wrote:
> > Deborah said:
Blah, blah, blah...
Rosen The Frozen In The Lederhosen aka Deborah Sharavi:
Mirelle
HHW
wrote:
I was 18 and a high school graduate. Had an interesting time and
levitated to the bridge, the best posting in the Marine Detachment.
Not bad for an uneducated teenager from a small town in fly-over
country waiting out a two year hitch. Did your son serve? No? Why not?
How about your nephews and nieces?
HHW
Tell us, Mirelle, whether kids from Jewish families often serve in the
military?
Mirelle
> Tell us, Mirelle, whether kids from Jewish families often serve in the
> military?
No, they do not.
Mirelle
Mirelle
> I was 18 and a high school graduate. Had an interesting time and
> levitated to the bridge, the best posting in the Marine Detachment.
> Not bad for an uneducated teenager from a small town in fly-over
> country waiting out a two year hitch. Did your son serve? No? Why not?
> How about your nephews and nieces?
Edward M. Rosen has NEVER served.
It is in the archives, he has many excuses, they all fall flat.
His only loyalties are to 'israel' and even at that -- he has not gone
there to visit!!!!!!!!
Neither has any of his family served. Jews do not serve, even during
WWII it was very, very rare.
Mirelle
dsha...@hotmail.com
> > > > Note the dishonest heading: "UN not permitted......(to use the word "Nakba")
> > On May 19, 11:30 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > According to Danny Carmon, he UN is not permitted the use of the term
> > > "Nakba"
> > Correction: IIRC, according to the article YOU posted, Carmon
> > PROTESTED the UN Secretary General's use of the stupid term.
> > Try reading what you paste, maybe you'll come off sounding less an
> > idiot than you already have.
> > Although I have to thank you for your claim that your few months'
> > service as a Marine on the Kearsarge allowed you to acquire
> > "substantial knowledge" of that vessel. That provided some chuckles to
> > a couple of Navy vets who actually served on a flattop, in addition to
> > being one of the very few posts in which your sounding the idiot you
> > are was actually worth it.
> > Deborah
On May 19, 3:25 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I was 18 and a high school graduate. Had an interesting time and
> levitated to the bridge, the best posting in the Marine Detachment.
IOW, you served as a guard for the skipper. Hardly a position in which
to acquire "substantial knowledge" of the workings of a flattop --
something a Navy vet who served more than three years on the same
would ever claim.
Navy joke:
Q: What's dumber than a Marine?
A: A drunk Marine.
Deborah
dsha...@hotmail.com
On May 19, 11:32 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> One doesn't have to be a Jew hater to detest Deborah,
But it helps a great deal, as it seems the antisemitic contingent are
the only ones on these NGs who detest me. Or, rather, they detest the
facts I present, lacking any of their own. Case in point: HHW.
Deborah
HHW
> > > Note the dishonest heading: "UN not permitted......(to use the word "Nakba")
>
> On May 19, 11:30 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > According to Danny Carmon, he UN is not permitted the use of the term
> > "Nakba"
>
> Correction: IIRC, according to the article YOU posted, Carmon
> PROTESTED the UN Secretary General's use of the stupid term.
Why stupid, Deborah? It happened. The Nakba is an historical fact.
Yes, he demanded that it be excised from the UN lexicon because it
tends to delegitimize the Jewish state. He's right. It does
delegitimize the aggressive and criminal expansion of the Jewish State
in 1948, but as it actually happened, so what? Is it required that we
hide Israeli crimes? Why? We don't hide the war crimes of other
states, Yugoslav, Russian, German, American. The quicker they are
exposed and Israel gets the Hell out of the West Bank the better. It's
in her interest to leave the West Bank. She can gain the legitimacy
she doesn't now have in the context of a comprehensive settlement. I
don't see any other way.
>
> Try reading what you paste, maybe you'll come off sounding less an
> idiot than you already have.
What makes you think I didn't read it. The public delegitimization of
whatever Israel is because of her criminal behavior over the last
sixty years is a good thing. I'm drawn to it because exposure of it
will add to the pressure to get it over with. It's a very theraputic
thing. It tends to the righting of wrongs, the delivery of long denied
justice. But most important it is leading to the freeing of America
from the present warped relationship with Israel. We should never have
let it happen. We're in the process implicitly of admitting it. That's
necessary to freeing ourselves from it.
>
> Although I have to thank you for your claim that your few months'
> service as a Marine on the Kearsarge allowed you to acquire
> "substantial knowledge" of that vessel.
You're very welcome. I had to have that carefully phrased,
"substantial knowledge". Look up the word. If you had a decent
education you'd know it's not bragging by any means. In any event I
was the commanding officer's duty tour guide for visitors, and ran his
written stuff all over the ship. I ran errands on the beach, out from
under the thumb of the NCOs. In fact the whole thing was out from
under the thumb of the typical chickenshit seagoing discipline. I
escaped it all and had the good fortune to be almost exclusively among
officers the entire time. But the best of all was to be able to watch
flight operations day and night. Most carrier guys seldom see them.
They're duty stations are below.
That provided some chuckles to
> a couple of Navy vets who actually served on a flattop, in addition to
> being one of the very few posts in which your sounding the idiot you
> are was actually worth it.
I don't pretend to have been a naval specialist. I was a Marine. Of
course not, but interesting it certainly was. I had all sorts of
excellent gigs: chauffeur for the old man, stand-in cocktail waiter,
"body guard". I occasionally went along when he'd fly the requisite
hours to keep his pilot's status current. I often enjoyed wonderful
Filipino food prepared by the Captain's galley men late at night. We
Marines also ran the brig. And security for the nuclear weapons. And
we were, at least theoretically, an infantry trained landing party.
The tradition went back to the 18th Century when Marines in the tops
were picking off men like the British Admiral Nelson.
Anyhow, the ancient tradition is over now. The Seagoing Marines no
longer exist. But if you want to experience it vicariously do a Google
image search for Seagoing Marines or Marine Detachment. BTW, years ago
I wrote a little sketch about what it was like getting underway in a
pea soup fog from North Island in San Diego harbor. If you do some
searches for the WWII and Korea era U.S.S. Kearsarge, CVA (later CVS)
33, I'm sure you can find it. It's about our Captain, William A. Dean,
a famously aggressive fighter group commander on one of the WW II
carriers, Wasp or Hornet I think.
Now, Deborah, let's get back to the underlying question. Since the end
of the draft, has anyone in your family served in the military? How
about your son for starters? Maybe he served in the first Gulf War,
eh? He might even have known my son. He was there with the First
Marine Division at the extreme east end of the line. That was a war
fought in part to enhance the strategic security of Israel. Did your
son share those burdens? Or did only suckers to that voluntarily?
>
> Deborah
HHW
wrote:
See my previous post.
> Navy joke:
>
> Q: What's dumber than a Marine?
> A: A drunk Marine.
>
> Deborah
A Marine joke:
Women and sailors wear pants, men wear trousers.
American Jewish refrain:
I didn't raise my boy for a soldier.
HHW
wrote:
You never met a fact you didn't want to subvert or improve.
Kosher Cunny
"HHW" <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5690b1d6-8540-4d5f...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
D. Sharavi is a foolish, pig-headed, obsessive compulsive, pea-brained,
moron. I couldn't care less what that nitwit thinks or says. Fuck her where
she breathes.
HHW
You are certainly detestable, I agree. But you get there on your
personal merits, mostly by lies and misrepresentation and systematic
character assassination. I've never known anyone nearly as foul as you
and I've surely known my share of miscreants. I assure you that your
unprecedented filth rating is fully deserved and I can't imagine that
your Jewishness could add to it.
HHW
> "HHW" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Obese too. Have you seen Rosen's picture. She's got more chins than a
wart hog.
HHW
What "she's" too pig-headed to understand is that the only thing she
accomplishes with me any way is to provide endless opportunities to go
at the real issues.
NefeshBarYohai
I really did serve on active duty in the USMC for 4 years and was
honorably discharged as a Sgt E-5. Let’s see, other than myself what
Jews did I meet? Well let’s see? While I was in C & E Schools I
bunked with a friend and Jew named Greg Soben, also while I was in C &
E School I suffered a broken nose while fist fighting with another Jew
named Ziegler. Then when I was in 2nd Tanks the SSgt that was over me
was a Jew named Leherman, also I was good friend with a Jew named
Zileke as we played racquetball together during our free time.
So enough of your Islamic lies, I hope you get killed or commit
suicide quickly you fucked up Arab terrorist.
Gilbert Roth Jr. III M.D.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mirelle have you ever heard of an organization here in the USA named
Jewish War Veterans of which I am a member of. It consists of
thousands of American Jews. But I suppose an ugly old whore like you
wouldn't know much about a clean healthy group of patriotic Americans
because you have no country of your own because you are an Islamic
terrorist.
Gilbert Roth Jr. III M.D.
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Deb after I was discharged from the USMC when I was working as a
security dispatcher here in Colorado for the R-1 School district, I
met a girl - her first name was Ruby - I won't write her last name.
She had just gone through a divorce and had been married to one of the
coaches of the Denver Broncos at the time. She came over to my house
and we screwed. We didn’t make love, we didn’t fuck, we screwed, her
on top than me on top, doggie, we did it all for about forty minutes
or so and we she left there was a wet cum spot on my bed cover that
was about 1' 6" and I came all up inside her as I wasn’t using a
condom. At one time she had been a clerk in the Navy. She was an
outstanding piece of ass that I would recommend to the highest
authority before God himself. I recon that would be King David.
Gilbert Roth Jr. III M.D.
> "HHW" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
That you and Deb came to apply for a job before me; I would see you as
the monkey incapable of rationale reasoning, whereas I see Deb as a
valuable asset to any corporation or other entity that hires people to
do an honest days work.
Gilbert Roth Jr. III M.D.
You are and Arab that won't look in the mirror. Everything you have
described Deb as, is how you are.
HHW
> On May 19, 3:32 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Tell us, Mirelle, whether kids from Jewish families often serve in the
> > military?
>
> No, they do not.
What, if you know, are conversations on this subject typically like?
Kosher Cunny
figures....
HHW
Relax Nefesh. This is a sociological study we're doing here. Just
imagine that I'm Mr. Science. In four years you met four, though it's
up by about two since the last time you recollected. That's okay.
Maybe it's a good sign that you're memory's improving. In two years I
met one, in boot camp at MCRD in San Diego. In four years my son met
none.
When did you serve?
HHW
wrote:
According to Eli she's unemployed and unemployable.
HHW
Including my Jewishness?
As you like, Doctor. Thank you for this very strange visit.
Kosher Cunny
She and people like her don't help the Jew-Zionist-Nazi cause. She only
makes you look deeper and harder into the proliferation of Jew-Collective
lies.
Just like Ben Cramer, I came here and to other NGs with the hope of asking
some questions and getting different perspectives -- under another nym of
course. All the "Sharavis" (types) came out of the woodwork and tore into
any honest questions I had, and accused many people of all sorts of vile
things.
I remember one idiot in particular who cast accusations on everyone who had
differing view than her own. Once I discovered she was easily riled and
turned into a raving lunatic, I learned the only way to deal with
Jew-dogmatists like her was to ridicule them, just as Ben does. They are
incapable of reasoned debate. Taunting them will get them nuts enough to
make fools of themselves, which is wholly all they deserve.
Ever seen this: http://www.toucano.plus.com/ariadne_spouting_off.jpg
Its from a friend's web-site. It is dedicated to "Aridane" a friend of
Sharavi, Suzy Cohen, and Tilly -- she's another fat wacko Zio-Nazi.
Eli Grubman
Yes, you can't do much with a degree in jew history. Especially when
you're her age.
Eli
NoSpamAtAll
Kosher Cunny <koshe...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
You are sooooo inferior, it's sad to watch. Face it,
you will always be inferior. You will never achieve
something meaningful. Never.
Eli Grubman
Nazis are always babbling about inferiority. Are you a Nazi?
Eli
NoSpamAtAll
Eli Grubman <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote:
That is because *they* are inferior.
Eli Grubman
<spa...@not.home> wrote:
>In article <flp434161p6n4bq9h...@4ax.com>,
>Eli Grubman <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 05:21:59 +0000 (UTC), NoSpamAtAll
>> <spa...@not.home> wrote:
>
>>> In article <g0tm93$dm9$1...@registered.motzarella.org>,
>>> Kosher Cunny <koshe...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> You are sooooo inferior, it's sad to watch. Face it,
>>> you will always be inferior. You will never achieve
>>> something meaningful. Never.
>
>> Nazis are always babbling about inferiority.
>
>That is because *they* are inferior.
Why do you babble about inferiority?
Eli
torresD
B.H. Cramer
"dsha...@gmail.com" <dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:627375f1-5aab-4fda...@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>> > But what else can one expect from a Jew hater?
>
> On May 19, 11:32 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> One doesn't have to be a Jew hater to detest Deborah,
>
> But it helps a great deal, as it seems the antisemitic contingent are
> the only ones on these NGs who detest me.
Not so, shoveari. Many of those who lurk in these newsgroups, and never
post, are of the same mind. You are filth, girlie. Slime of the first
degree.
hille...@yahoo.com
> A Marine joke:
> Women and sailors wear pants, men wear trousers.
OK you made you point.
Even your jokes are dumb.
Kosher Cunny
"Eli Grubman" <eli.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:flp434161p6n4bq9h...@4ax.com...
It's out of Massachusetts, USA:
OrgName: Software Tool & Die The World
OrgID: WRLD
Address: Software Tool & Die The World
Address: PO BOX 35555
City: Boston
StateProv: MA
PostalCode: 02135
Country: US
NetRange: 192.74.137.0 - 192.74.137.255 OrgTechName: Shein Barry
OrgTechPhone: 1-617-783-9753
OrgTechEmail: neta...@theworld.com I wonder if Barry Shein is doing it?
Maybe little Barry has more time on his hands than his boss realizes.
HHW
She certainly does that but doesn't understand it. There are lots of
lurkers. They're who I'm talking to.
>
> Ever seen this:http://www.toucano.plus.com/ariadne_spouting_off.jpg
I haven't. I'll go there now.
HHW
Which is?
>
> Eli
HHW
Brilliant, Hillel. Military humor is dumb.
Ariadne
Such ignorant obsessives, aping Grosvomit!
They'd believe anything as long as it's totally untrue!
HHW
> "Eli Grubman" <eli.grub...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:flp434161p6n4bq9h...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 20 May 2008 05:21:59 +0000 (UTC), NoSpamAtAll
>
> >>In article <g0tm93$dm...@registered.motzarella.org>,
> >>Kosher Cunny <koshercu...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>[...]
>
> >>You are sooooo inferior, it's sad to watch. Face it,
> >>you will always be inferior. You will never achieve
> >>something meaningful. Never.
>
> > Nazis are always babbling about inferiority. Are you a Nazi?
>
> > Eli
>
> It's out of Massachusetts, USA:
>
> OrgName: Software Tool & Die The World
> OrgID: WRLD
> Address: Software Tool & Die The World
> Address: PO BOX 35555
> City: Boston
> StateProv: MA
> PostalCode: 02135
> Country: US
> NetRange: 192.74.137.0 - 192.74.137.255 OrgTechName: Shein Barry
> OrgTechPhone: 1-617-783-9753
> Maybe little Barry has more time on his hands than his boss realizes.
Barry is self-employed. He owns the company
angele...@live.com
> figures....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26777622@N04/2508449919/
HHW
It's a photo, not a web site.
Mirelle
Eli Grubman
62, apparently.
Eli
Kosher Cunny
Yeah!
Kosher Cunny
[snipped]
>It's a photo, not a web site.
Yeah!
Kosher Cunny
[snipped]
>It's a photo, not a web site.
Yeah!
Gary Renzetti
> On May 19, 6:20 pm, "Kosher Cunny" <m...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
>> "HHW" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:5690b1d6-8540-4d5f...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>> But what else can one expect from a Jew hater?
>>> One doesn't have to be a Jew hater to detest Deborah, a one-woman
>>> proliferator of anti-Semitism who has dedicated her life to ensuring
>>> that the incompetent Israeli leadership and the Israel lobby will
>>> always have something to whine about.
>> D. Sharavi is a foolish, pig-headed, obsessive compulsive, pea-brained,
>> moron. I couldn't care less what that nitwit thinks or says. Fuck her where
>> she breathes.
>
> That you and Deb came to apply for a job before me; I would see you as
> the monkey incapable of rationale reasoning, whereas I see Deb as a
> valuable asset to any corporation or other entity that hires people to
> do an honest days work.
Well Doc, I'll tell Ya...
To the best of my knowledge HHW has never posted for cooking Palestinian
children and concluding with the charming phrase "feeds lots of
Pallies"{sic}.
Your "valuable asset" otoh, is perhaps the most vile creature I have
encountered in my years on Usenet.
Gary Renzetti
>> On May 19, 6:52 pm, "dshar...@gmail.com" <dshara...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> facts I present, lacking any of their own. Case in point: HHW.
>>> Deborah
>> You are certainly detestable, I agree. But you get there on your
>> personal merits, mostly by lies and misrepresentation and systematic
>> character assassination. I've never known anyone nearly as foul as you
>> and I've surely known my share of miscreants. I assure you that your
>> unprecedented filth rating is fully deserved and I can't imagine that
>> your Jewishness could add to it.
>
> You are and Arab that won't look in the mirror. Everything you have
> described Deb as, is how you are.
Doc you are very sadly mistaken. Your politics are unimportant; you are
a terrible judge of character.
hille...@yahoo.com
> > Even your jokes are dumb.
On May 20, 11:45 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Brilliant, Hillel. Military humor is dumb.
Try some Israeli military humor. E.g.
Q: Why is it OK in the IDF to eat salami with cheese?
A: Because the salami has no meat
and the cheese has no milk.
A military pay is like a woman's period because:
1) You get it once per month.
2) It lasts for a week.
3) If you did not get your pay it means that you were screwed.
B.H. Cramer
"Gary Renzetti" <liz...@connection.com> wrote in message
news:86587$48336c59$d8fe9c6a$81...@PRIMUS.CA...
Is Yochai already.
>
B.H. Cramer
Hear, hear.
>
dsha...@hotmail.com
> > > Even your jokes are dumb.
> On May 20, 11:45 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Brilliant, Hillel. Military humor is dumb.
On May 20, 5:58 pm, hillelg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Try some Israeli military humor. E.g.
> Q: Why is it OK in the IDF to eat salami with cheese?
> A: Because the salami has no meat
> and the cheese has no milk.
> A military pay is like a woman's period because:
> 1) You get it once per month.
> 2) It lasts for a week.
> 3) If you did not get your pay it means that you were screwed.
What's HHW got against military humor?
US AIR FORCE OATH OF ENLISTMENT
I, (name), swear to sign away 4 years of my life to the UNITED
STATES AIR FORCE because I know I couldn't hack it in the Army,
because the Marines frighten me, and because I am afraid of water over
waist-deep. I swear to sit behind a desk. I also swear not to do any
form of real exercise, but promise to defend our bike-riding test as a
valid form of exercise. I promise to walk around calling everyone by
their first name because I find it amusing to annoy the other
services. I will have a better quality of life than those around me
and will, at all times, be sure to make them aware of that fact. After
completion of "Basic Training", I will be a lean, mean, donut-eating,
Lazy-Boy sitting, civilian-wearing-blue-clothes, Chair-borne Ranger. I
will believe I am superior to all others and will make an effort to
clean the knife before stabbing the next person in the back. I will
annoy those around me, and will go home early every day. So Help Me
God!
____________________
Signature
____________________
Date
US NAVY OATH OF ENLISTMENT
I, Top Gun, in lieu of going to prison, swear to sign away 4
years of my life to the UNITED STATES NAVY, because I want to hang
out with Marines without actually having to BE one of them, because I
thought the Air Force was too "corporate," because I didn't want to
actually live in dirt like the Army, and because I thought, "Hey, I
like to swim...why not?" I promise to wear clothes that went out of
style in 1976 and to have my name stenciled on the butt of every pair
of pants I own. I understand that I will be mistaken for the Good
Humor Man during summer, and for Nazi Waffen SS during the winter. I
will strive to use a different language than the rest of the English-
speaking world, using words like "deck, bulkhead, cover, geedunk,
scuttlebutt, scuttle and head," when I really mean "floor, wall, hat,
candy, water fountain, hole in wall and toilet." I will take great
pride in the fact that all Navy acronyms, rank, and insignia, and
everything else for that matter, are completely different from the
other services and make absolutely no sense whatsoever. I will muster,
whatever that is, at 0700 every morning unless I am buddy-buddy with
the Chief, in which case I will show up around 0930. I vow to hone my
coffee cup-handling skills to the point that I can stand up in a kayak
being tossed around in a typhoon, and still not spill a drop. I
consent to being promoted and subsequently busted at least twice per
fiscal year. I realize that, once selected for Chief, I am required to
submit myself to the sick, and quite possibly illegal, whims of my
newfound "colleagues." So Help Me Neptune!
______________________
Signature
______________________
Date
US MARINE CORPS OATH OF ENLISTMENT
I, (pick a name the police won't recognize), swear..uhhhh....
high-and-tight.... grunt... cammies....kill....fix bayonets....
charge.... slash....dig.... burn.... blowup.... ugh... Air Force
women.... beer.....sailors wives.....air strikes....yes
SIR!....whiskey....liberty call....salute.... Ooorah Gunny ....
grenades... women.... OORAH! So Help Me Chesty PULLER!
X____________________
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Date
Deborah
B.H. Cramer
> > > OK you made you point.
> > > Even your jokes are dumb.
> On May 20, 11:45 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Brilliant, Hillel. Military humor is dumb.
On May 20, 5:58 pm, hillelg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Try some Israeli military humor. E.g.
> Q: Why is it OK in the IDF to eat salami with cheese?
> A: Because the salami has no meat
> and the cheese has no milk.
> A military pay is like a woman's period because:
> 1) You get it once per month.
> 2) It lasts for a week.
> 3) If you did not get your pay it means that you were screwed.
What's HHW got against military humor?
Obviously written by a hebe. It's not funny.
dsha...@hotmail.com
> > > Deborah said:
> > > > Note the dishonest heading: "UN not permitted......(to use the
> > > > word "Nakba")
> "dshar...@gmail.com" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Correction: IIRC, according to the article YOU posted, Carmon
> > PROTESTED the UN Secretary General's use of the stupid term.
On May 19, 5:09 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Why stupid, Deborah? It happened.
And the Arabs admitted that they were responsible -- until they
discovered what a cash cow they had in blaming the Jews for their
Nafka.
> > Try reading what you paste, maybe you'll come off sounding less an
> > idiot than you already have.
> What makes you think I didn't read it.
So, you admit you read it, then lied about it in the header.
> > Although I have to thank you for your claim that your few months'
> > service as a Marine on the Kearsarge allowed you to acquire
> > "substantial knowledge" of that vessel.
> You're very welcome. I had to have that carefully phrased,
> "substantial knowledge".
Of course you had to have it carefully phrased, since it was a lie.
NOBODY acquires "substantial knowledge" of a flattop; it's an effort
of many teams, some, but not most, of whose areas tend not to overlap.
Even after three years of service, personnel tend to become lost
outside their particular areas.
>I
> was the commanding officer's duty tour guide for visitors, and ran his
> written stuff all over the ship. I ran errands on the beach, out from
> under the thumb of the NCOs. In fact the whole thing was out from
> under the thumb of the typical chickenshit seagoing discipline.
It was a peacetime cruise, of course. Very different from serving in
forward positions during war. Not that a peacetime cruise is void of
mortal danger to all personnel, as I'm sure you know.
>I
> escaped it all and had the good fortune to be almost exclusively among
> officers the entire time. But the best of all was to be able to watch
> flight operations day and night. Most carrier guys seldom see them.
> They're duty stations are below.
> > That provided some chuckles to
> > a couple of Navy vets who actually served on a flattop, in addition to
> > being one of the very few posts in which your sounding the idiot you
> > are was actually worth it.
> I don't pretend to have been a naval specialist. I was a Marine.
You implied it when you falsely claimed "substantial knowledge" of the
Kearsarge. Were you honest, you would have said you served as a bridge
guard aboard the flattop Kearsarge, and it was fascinating.
>Of
> course not, but interesting it certainly was. I had all sorts of
> excellent gigs: chauffeur for the old man, stand-in cocktail waiter,
Oh dear, Hunter, you KNOW it's against regulations to bring booze
aboard.
> "body guard". I occasionally went along when he'd fly the requisite
> hours to keep his pilot's status current. I often enjoyed wonderful
> Filipino food prepared by the Captain's galley men late at night. We
> Marines also ran the brig. And security for the nuclear weapons. And
> we were, at least theoretically, an infantry trained landing party.
But of course.
> Anyhow, the ancient tradition is over now. The Seagoing Marines no
> longer exist. But if you want to experience it vicariously do a Google
> image search for Seagoing Marines or Marine Detachment.
No need. I heard about it from my father and his cousins.
>BTW, years ago
> I wrote a little sketch about what it was like getting underway in a
> pea soup fog from North Island in San Diego harbor.
Do you still have the sketch? The present ship of that name has a
site:
http://www.kearsarge.navy.mil/default.aspx
with a history of the previous vessels. They would probably be
interested.
>If you do some
> searches for the WWII and Korea era U.S.S. Kearsarge, CVA (later CVS)
> 33, I'm sure you can find it. It's about our Captain, William A. Dean,
> a famously aggressive fighter group commander on one of the WW II
> carriers, Wasp or Hornet I think.
Didn't find it.
> Now, Deborah, let's get back to the underlying question.
Which one? How you lied in your header?
>Since the end
> of the draft, has anyone in your family served in the military?
Why?
>How
> about your son for starters? Maybe he served in the first Gulf War,
> eh? He might even have known my son. He was there with the First
> Marine Division at the extreme east end of the line. That was a war
> fought in part to enhance the strategic security of Israel. Did your
> son share those burdens? Or did only suckers to that voluntarily?
At the time of the first Gulf War, my children were between the ages
of 11 and 4. While you and your ilk would love to see Jewish kids in
forward positions, you must be aware that others hold different
views.
Deborah
B.H. Cramer
>>>HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > Deborah said:
>> > > > Note the dishonest heading: "UN not permitted......(to use the
>> > > > word "Nakba")
>
>> "dshar...@gmail.com" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Correction: IIRC, according to the article YOU posted, Carmon
>> > PROTESTED the UN Secretary General's use of the stupid term.
>
> On May 19, 5:09 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Why stupid, Deborah? It happened.
>
> And the Arabs admitted that they were responsible --
Horseshit.
Mirelle
wrote:
Are you dressed in drag, rosen/slime?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26885552@N08/2511119527/
Mirelle
Gary Renzetti
post was actually lucid and it confused me temporarily.
I do hope that he and the Shoveari thing actually do get lucky
though...they seem made for each other.
>
>
>>
>
B.H. Cramer
Imagine the issue if ever they bred?
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>
HHW
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35. Deborah Nyob
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torresDimbulb wrote:
> Middle East History: It Happened in July
It happened in somebody's crack pipe.
> Expulsion of the Palestinians- Lydda and Ramleh in 1948
Didn't Dimbulb write "Rainleh"?
> By Donald Neff
> July/August 1994, Page 72
> It was 46 years ago when Israel turned
> its forces against the all-Palestinian towns
> of Lydda and Ramleh.
> http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0794/9407072.htm
Great source, the Washington Report. Except in 1948, Lydda
and Ramleh were not considered "Palestinian towns", as the
only "Palestinians" at that time were Jews, and moreover, the
towns had been allocated under 181 to the Jewish state.
> On July 13, 1948,
> Israeli troops forcefully compelled the
> entire population of as many as 70,000 men,
> women and children to flee their homes.
It wasn't 13 July, and there sure as hell weren't 70,000
Pallie Arabs living in Lod and Ramleh.
Facts: Lod formally surrendered to the IDF. Less thsn 24
hours after the surrender, Pallie Arabs ambushed and
slaughtered five young soldiers. The Pallies then went to
the Damash mosque and began firing on the Jews. The
Palmach responded and put down the insurrection. When
operational commander asked the prime minister and
defence minister what to do, he was ordered to drive out
the rebels. He modified the order, allowing women, children,
old people, and Xians to remain. Muslim males, however,
took along their women and children.
"Psychologically, this was one of the most difficult actions
we undertook. The population of Lod did not leave willingly.
There was no way of avoiding the use of force and warning
shots in order to make the inhabitants march the ten miles
to the point where they met up with the Legion. The inhabitants
of Ramleh watched and learned the lesson. Their leaders
agreed to evacuate voluntarily, on condition that the evacuation
was carried out by vehicles. Buses took them to Latrun, and
from there they were evacuated by the Legion.
"Great suffering was inflicted upon the men taking part in the
eviction action. Soldiers of the Yiftach Brigade included youth-
movement graduates, who had been inculcated with values
such as national brotherhood and humanness. The eviction
action went beyond the concepts they were used to. There
were some fellows who refused to take part in the eviction
action."
- Yitzhak Rabin, Memoirs
> Swarms of new Jewish immigrants flocked
> to Lydda and Rainleh, and within days these
> ancient towns were transformed from
> Palestinian to Jewish municipalities.
Typical Pallie crap.
> Lydda and Ramleh lay east of Jaffa,
> between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv,
> and were to be part of the Palestinian
> state-as was Jaffa-according to the
> United Nations Partition Plan of 1947.
The partition plan allocated Lod and Ramleh to the
Jewish state.
Deborah
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dsha...@hotmail.com
Why, Humper, how surprising. You have actually pasted a few facts.
Congratulations.
Deborah
Barabas
> On May 19, 8:13 pm, NefeshBarYohai <tach...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 19, 4:32 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 19, 4:26 pm, Mirelle <studywarnomore...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 19, 12:26 pm, "dshar...@gmail.com" <dshara...@hotmail.com>
> > > > wrote:> > Deborah said:
>
> > > > Blah, blah, blah...
> > > > Rosen The Frozen In The Lederhosen aka Deborah Sharavi:
>
> > > >http://tinyurl.com/5ahww8
>
> > > > Mirelle
>
> > > Tell us, Mirelle, whether kids from Jewish families often serve in the
> > > military?
>
> > I really did serve on active duty in the USMC for 4 years and was
> > honorably discharged as a Sgt E-5. Let’s see, other than myself what
> > Jews did I meet? Well let’s see? While I was in C & E Schools I
> > bunked with a friend and Jew named Greg Soben, also while I was in C &
> > E School I suffered a broken nose while fist fighting with another Jew
> > named Ziegler. Then when I was in 2nd Tanks the SSgt that was over me
> > was a Jew named Leherman, also I was good friend with a Jew named
> > Zileke as we played racquetball together during our free time.
>
> > So enough of your Islamic lies, I hope you get killed or commit
> > suicide quickly you fucked up Arab terrorist.
>
> Relax Nefesh. This is a sociological study we're doing here. Just
> imagine that I'm Mr. Science. In four years you met four, though it's
> up by about two since the last time you recollected. That's okay.
> Maybe it's a good sign that you're memory's improving. In two years I
> met one, in boot camp at MCRD in San Diego. In four years my son met
> none.
>
> When did you serve?- Hide quoted text -
I served when your daughter needed to be serviced.
B.H. Cramer
Why, Humper, how surprising. You have actually pasted a few facts.
Congratulations.
Now it's your turn, slime.
Good luck.
Deborah
HHW
HHW
No daughter, sorry.
How about you, Barabas? Have you served in the American military since
1989, the effective end of the cold war?
HHW
> "dshar...@gmail.com" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
The Rosen connection must have been some sort of business connection.
But then they might well be living together.
Eli Grubman
Jews don't serve in the military of their host countries.
Eli
Panta Rhei
Why don't you just admit: you are a full-blown retard, Eli Grabmen! The
folks know it anyway, so you might just own up! LMAO!
F'up to your homegroup
Gary Renzetti
inclined towards Nefesh. They do seem to be remarkably well-suited to
each other.
Eli Grubman
wrote:
Why don't you just admit you're an illiterate Arab, Pants? LOL
>F'up to your homegroup
Fuck'up back.
Eli
HHW
She's Deborah Nyob. How she's connected to Rosen I don't understand---
yet.
Mirelle
> She's Deborah Nyob. How she's connected to Rosen I don't understand---
> yet.
Oh, that is an old sock puupet rosen used like he used Elizabeth
Buckwalter as a sock puppet, amongts many sock puppets over the years.
You should see his many sock puppets that he mistaakenly posted by
while not paying attention to an account that he normally uses for
very perverted stuff.
He posted as VP's Plastic Phantastic Lover and that led to an account
that he uses that leads to pedophile posts and names like "Gosinya"
and bizzare other sock puppets.
The last one he used was "Curious Cat".
I will find the thread were he blew it and exposed his other dark,
criminal life with posts to places that are pedophile sites.
He even posted to a place where he was asking about sex changes.
I will look up the link to the very long topic that was on here over a
year ago.
He was so busted.
Names mean nothing with these zio bats.
They use so many sock puppets, but the one where rosen got sloppy was
really something.
Rosen is gay. The post where he discusses sex change operations is
very interesting.
Thus the nyms as women such as 'Deborah Sharavi", Deborah Nyob" and
Elizabeth Buckwalter",etc...
The list is very long.
Tomorrow I will take the time and find the link to the long discussion
about rosen's other secret account that he got sloppy with.
Mirelle
HHW
wrote:
> >>HHW<coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Deborah said:
> > > > > Note the dishonest heading: "UN not permitted......(to use the
> > > > > word "Nakba")
The Nyob strikes a pose. Just take it as a given, Deborah, my headers
will be satirical, sarcastic, ironic, straight forward, etc. Yours are
inevitably filthy though you seldom post new content. Cactus is
learning from you about the dishonest hasbara technique of "point
scoring".
> > "dshar...@gmail.com" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Correction: IIRC, according to the article YOU posted, Carmon
> > > PROTESTED the UN Secretary General's use of the stupid term.
Stupid? Let's see now. Though "terms" may reflect stupidity they can't
be stupid in and of themselves. They're brainless. If you differ you
can explain how "nakba," the term, can be stupid.
>
> On May 19, 5:09 pm,HHW<coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Why stupid, Deborah? It happened.
>
> And the Arabs admitted that they were responsible -- until they
> discovered what a cash cow they had in blaming the Jews for their
> Nafka.
"The Arabs" admitted something. How interesting. They didn't even have
a government at the time. How did they accomplish this astounding
feat? Teleconferences, perhaps?
>
> > > Try reading what you paste, maybe you'll come off sounding less an
> > > idiot than you already have.
> > What makes you think I didn't read it.
>
> So, you admit you read it, then lied about it in the header.
"Don't you just love Benny Morris," Nyob? You love him. You said it.
Don't forget it. You hadn't read his book and didn't realize that he's
the NEW HISTORIAN who first confirmed the NAKBA took place, the forced
expulsion of the Palestinian people, the "catastrophe". If you had any
moral fiber you could avoid such humiliations.
It's said you've got family in israel and that's all that matters to
you. Is that true? Or is it that you simply are thrilled by crimes
against humanity so long as Israelis are dishing it out?
> > > Although I have to thank you for your claim that your few months'
> > > service as a Marine on the Kearsarge allowed you to acquire
> > > "substantial knowledge" of that vessel.
> > You're very welcome. I had to have that carefully phrased,
> > "substantial knowledge".
>
> Of course you had to have it carefully phrased, since it was a lie.
What an ignorant schnorrer you are, Nyob. Abandoned and unemployed,
filled with hate. Worse though is your failure in attaining a decent
education. Given your level of pretension that's fatal. You don't know
how the word "substantial" is used. This is entry level knowledge of
the language and you don't even sense how much you've screwed it up.
Substantial knowledge is a meaningful amount of knowledge. It is
something above that which is de minimus, that which is so small as to
not be meaningful. A scintilla is de minimus. A substantial amount is
not. One thing is certain, when someone describes his knowledge of
something as substantial, he's not puffing it up or bragging. And then
for you to display such thickness as to describe a modest and
irrefutable comment as a "lie" is beyond comprehension. How could it
possibly be a lie when you acknowledge that I was on the ship?
You know, Nyob, I don't think there are any actual Jews here who
respect you.
> NOBODY acquires "substantial knowledge" of a flattop; it's an effort
> of many teams, some, but not most, of whose areas tend not to overlap.
> Even after three years of service, personnel tend to become lost
> outside their particular areas.
Of course they do. You don't know what you're talking about. Damage
control people certainly do. They have a far better understanding of
the interior structure of the ship than I did even though my knowledge
became substantial. All the officers in the ship's crew attain more
than that level of knowledge. Surely the senior NCO's acquire it. You
don't know what substantial means. You really shouldn't embarrass
yourself like this. Apparently there is something which distinguishes
a bachelors degree in Jewish History from getting an education.
>
> >I
> > was the commanding officer's duty tour guide for visitors, and ran his
> > written stuff all over the ship. I ran errands on the beach, out from
> > under the thumb of the NCOs. In fact the whole thing was out from
> > under the thumb of the typical chickenshit seagoing discipline.
>
> It was a peacetime cruise, of course.
Of course. Had it not been I'd have told you about more interesting
adventures.
Very different from serving in
> forward positions during war. Not that a peacetime cruise is void of
> mortal danger to all personnel, as I'm sure you know.
You know nothing. You simply puff yourself up and issue insinuation
after insinuation. But you never win so much as a single round. I
don't mind this trivial crap a bit because I'm confident that you'll
emerge bloody.
>
> >I
> > escaped it all and had the good fortune to be almost exclusively among
> > officers the entire time. But the best of all was to be able to watch
> > flight operations day and night. Most carrier guys seldom see them.
> > Their duty stations are below.
> > > That provided some chuckles to
> > > a couple of Navy vets who actually served on a flattop, in addition to
> > > being one of the very few posts in which your sounding the idiot you
> > > are was actually worth it.
You know nothing. I don't think you talked to anyone. Not that I care.
But there were something like three thousand men in the crew. Only a
tiny minority were on or above the flight deck during flight
operations. I was there from dawn until dismissed by the old man in
the evening.
> > I don't pretend to have been a naval specialist. I was a Marine.
>
> You implied it when you falsely claimed "substantial knowledge" of the
> Kearsarge. Were you honest, you would have said you served as a bridge
> guard aboard the flattop Kearsarge, and it was fascinating.
Falsely claimed. Try again to attain an education. It might not be too
late. You're just in your sixties. As am I.
>
> >Of
> > course not, but interesting it certainly was. I had all sorts of
> > excellent gigs: chauffeur for the old man, stand-in cocktail waiter,
>
> Oh dear, Hunter, you KNOW it's against regulations to bring booze
> aboard.
Yeah, I did that a couple of times when they entertained at home in
San Diego. That was interesting too.
>
> > "body guard". I occasionally went along when he'd fly the requisite
> > hours to keep his pilot's status current. I often enjoyed wonderful
> > Filipino food prepared by the Captain's galley men late at night. We
> > Marines also ran the brig. And security for the nuclear weapons. And
> > we were, at least theoretically, an infantry trained landing party.
>
> But of course.
And that is meant to demonstrate that you know something of what I'm
talking about? That's the funniest part of this conversation which I
am in fact enjoying.
>
> > Anyhow, the ancient tradition is over now. The Seagoing Marines no
> > longer exist. But if you want to experience it vicariously do a Google
> > image search for Seagoing Marines or Marine Detachment.
>
> No need. I heard about it from my father and his cousins.
Back when there was a draft and they preferred the Navy?
> >BTW, years ago
> > I wrote a little sketch about what it was like getting underway in a
> > pea soup fog from North Island in San Diego harbor.
>
> Do you still have the sketch? The present ship of that name has a
> site:http://www.kearsarge.navy.mil/default.aspx
> with a history of the previous vessels. They would probably be
> interested.
The appropriate "they" know abut it. It's on a CV or CVS 33 veterans'
web site or was up to a couple of years ago when I found it still
there.
>
> >If you do some
> > searches for the WWII and Korea era U.S.S. Kearsarge, CVA (later CVS)
> > 33, I'm sure you can find it. It's about our Captain, William A. Dean,
> > a famously aggressive fighter group commander on one of the WW II
> > carriers, Wasp or Hornet I think.
>
> Didn't find it.
You're lying about looking. Anyway here's some interesting info about
the ship:
DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER
805 KIDDER BREESE SE -- WASHINGTON NAVY YARD
WASHINGTON DC 20374-5060
USS Kearsarge (CV-33, later CVA-33 and CVS-33), 1946-1974
USS Kearsarge, a 27,100-ton Ticonderoga class aircraft carrier, was
built at the New York Navy Yard. She was commissioned in March 1946
and spent her first year of service in training operations in the
western Atlantic and Caribbean. During the later 1940s, Kearsarge made
two trips to Europe, the first a summer 1947 midshipmen training
cruise and the second a mid-1948 deployment to the Mediterranean Sea.
In early 1950, the carrier was transferred to the west coast, where
she decommissioned in June for extensive modernization work.
Recommissioned in February 1952, Kearsarge now had a stronger flight
deck, new island and many other changes to her appearance and
capabilities. She made a Korean War combat cruise in September 1952 -
February 1953, during which time she was reclassified as an attack
aircraft carrier and redesignated CVA-33. From mid-1953 to 1958,
Kearsarge had regular tours of duty with the Seventh Fleet in the Far
East. Her 1955 deployment included supporting the Nationalist Chinese
evacuation of the Tachen Islands. The carrier was again modernized in
1956-57, receiving an angled flight deck and enclosed "hurricane" bow
to better equip her to operate high-performance aircraft.
Kearsarge was assigned a new role in October 1958, becoming an
antisubmarine warfare (ASW) support aircraft carrier, with the new
designation CVS-33. In that capacity, she operated ASW fixed-wing
airplanes and helicopters to protect the fleet against the threat of
hostile underwater attack. Regular Seventh Fleet deployments continued
through the late 1950s and the 1960s, including indirect involvement
in the Vietnam Conflict. In 1962 and 1963, Kearsarge carried out a new
mission, serving as recovery ship for the orbital flights of
astronauts Walter Schirra and Gordon Cooper. Made redundant by the
general fleet drawdown of the late 1960s and early 1970s, USS
Kearsarge was decommissioned in February 1970. Following three years
in the Reserve Fleet, she was stricken from the Naval Vessel Register
in May 1973 and sold for scrapping in February 1974.
This page features selected views of USS Kearsarge (CV/CVA/CVS-33).
Official U.S. Navy Photographs, from the collections of the Naval
Historical Center.
Click on the small photograph to prompt a larger view of the same
image.
Photo #: NH 97402
USS Kearsarge (CV-33)
In a harbor during the later 1940s, with her crew paraded on the
flight deck for inspection.
Photo #: NH 97403
USS Kearsarge (CVA-33)
With two AJ "Savage" heavy attack aircraft on her flight deck,
following her SCB-27A modernization, circa 1952-55.
Photo #: USN 1107965
Two A-4C "Skyhawk" aircraft,
of Attack Squadron 146 (VA-146)
Fly past USS Kearsarge (CVS-33), 12 August 1964.
These planes, from USS Constellation (CVA-64), are Bureau #s 149551
and 149570.
Photo #: USN 1117602
USS Kearsarge (CVS-33)
At sea, 12 December 1965. She has nine A-4 attack jets on her flight
deck, as well as one S-2 anti-submarine plane.
Photo #: KN-13416
USS Kearsarge (CVS-33)
Underway in Hawaiian waters, 5 July 1966, with S-2 and E-1B airplanes
and SH-3 helicopters on her flight deck.
Photo #: KN-18336
USS Kearsarge (CVS-33)
Underway in the Pacific Ocean, 5 December 1968.
Photo #: NH 97404
"Sigma 7" Project "Mercury" Space Capsule
Is towed toward USS Kearsarge (CVS-33) for pickup, after its orbital
flight with astronaut (Commander, USN) Walter Schirra on board, 16
October 1962.
Note rescue swimmer on the capsule's flotation collar, and a Kearsarge
26-foot motor whaleboat standing by.
Photo #: USN 1124878
Sikorski SH-3A "Sea King" helicopters,
of Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron Six (HS-6)
Lift off from the flight deck of USS Kearsarge (CVS-33) as she enters
Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, 27 June 1967. The USS Arizona Memorial is in the
distance.
Helicopter at left is Bureau # 152124.
Photographed by PH3 B.L. Kleckner.
Photo #: NH 69774
USS Kearsarge (CVA-33)
Decommissioning party salutes the colors, as Kearsarge goes out of
commission for the last time, at Long Beach, California, 13 February
1970.
Those present are (from left to right):
Captain Frederick W. Zigler, USN, Commanding Officer, Naval Inactive
Ship Maintenance Facility;
Rear Admiral Norman C. Gillette, USN, Commander Anti-Submarine Warfare
Group Three;
Rear Admiral William T. Rassieur, USN(Retired), former Commanding
Officer of the ship;
Captain Leonard M. Nearman, USN, ship's Commanding Officer; and
Mr. C.E. (Gene) Gallman, representing the Mayor of Long Beach.
SCB-27 modernization of Essex/Ticonderoga class aircraft carriers, (CV
9-12, 14-16, 18-20, 31, 33-34, 38-39)
(work completed between 1950 and 1955)
Between 1947 and 1955, fifteen Essex and Ticonderoga class aircraft
carriers were thoroughly modernized. The impending arrival of high-
performance jet aircraft and nuclear-armed heavy attack bombers had
rendered these still rather new ships almost incapable of executing
their most vital missions, while the post-World War II financial
climate precluded building replacements. Accordingly, a reconstruction
program began in Fiscal Year 1948, with the incomplete Oriskany as the
prototype. Two more ships were converted the next year, three in FY
1950 and then, with the the Cold War in full bloom, nine more Fiscal
Years 1951 to 1953.
Designated SCB-27, the modernization was very extensive, requiring
some two years for each carrier. To handle much heavier, faster
aircraft, flight deck structure was massively reinforced. Stronger
elevators, much more powerful catapults, and new arresting gear was
installed. The original four twin 5"/38 gun mounts were removed. The
new five-inch gun battery consisted of eight weapons, two on each
quarter beside the flight deck. Twin 3"/50 gun mounts replaced the
40mm guns, offering much greater effectiveness through the use of
proximity-fuzed ammunition.
A distinctive new feature was a taller, shorter island. To better
protect aircrews, ready rooms were moved to below the armored hangar
deck, with a large escalator on the starboard side amidships to move
airmen up to the flight deck. Internally, aviation gasoline storage
was increased by nearly half and its pumping capacity enhanced. Also
improved were electrical generating power, fire protection, and
weapons stowage and handling facilities. All this added considerable
weight: displacement increased by some twenty percent. Blisters were
fitted to the hull sides to compensate, widening waterline beam by
eight to ten feet. The ships also sat lower in the water, and maximum
speed was slightly diminished.
The modernized ships came in two flavors, the first nine (SCB-27A)
having a pair of H 8 hydraulic catapults, the most powerful available
in the late '40s. The final six received the SCB-27C update, with much
more potent steam catapults, one of two early 1950s British
developments that greatly improved aircraft carrier potential. These
six were somewhat heavier, and wider, than their sisters. While still
in the shipyards, three of the SCB-27Cs were further modified under
the SCB-125 project, receiving the second British concept, the angled
flight deck, plus an enclosed "hurricane bow" and other improvements.
These features were so valuable that they were soon back-fitted to all
but one (Lake Champlain) of the other SCB-27 ships. The fourteen fully
modernized units were the "journeymen" aviation ships of the late
1950s and 1960s, providing the Navy with much of its attack aircraft
carrier (CVA) force and, ultimately, all its anti-submarine warfare
support aircraft carriers (CVS).
The SCB-27 program involved rebuilding fifteen ships, three of which
were given a combined SCB-27 and SCB-125 modernization.
Kearsarge (CV-33). Reconstructed to SCB-27A design by the Puget Sound
Naval Shipyard. Work began in February 1950; recommissioned in
February 1952.
was extended to include SCB-125 features; recommissioned in August
1955.
Essex/Ticonderoga class characteristics, as modified under project
SCB-27A:
Displacement: 40,600 tons (full load)
Dimensions: 898' (length overall); 101' 4" (hull); 151' 11" (over
flight deck and projections)
Powerplant: 150,000 horsepower, steam turbines, four propellers, 31.7
knot maximum speed
Aircraft ("ultimate" planned 1958 complement): 72 planes, including 24
15,000 pound interceptors, 24 30,000 pound escort fighters and 24
30,000 pound attack bombers. The actual aircraft complement carried
was quite different.
Gun Armament: eight 5"/38 guns in single mountings plus fourteen twin
3"/50 gun mounts. From the mid-1950s onward, gun armament was rapidly
reduced.
SCB-125 modernization of Essex/Ticonderoga class aircraft carriers,
(CVA/CVS 9-12, 14-16, 18-20, 31, 33-34, & 38)
(work completed between 1955 and 1959)
Between 1954 and 1959, fourteen modernized Essex and Ticonderoga class
aircraft carriers of the SCB-27 type were further updated under the
SCB-125 program. This work, incorporating new features not known or
accepted when the earlier scheme was originated in the later 1940s,
greatly enhanced seakeeping and high-performance aircraft operations.
Perhaps the most significant new attribute was the British-developed
"angled flight deck", in which the carrier's aircraft landing area was
slanted several degrees off to port, enabling aircraft to easily "go
around" in the event of recovery difficulties. The benefits this
brought to carrier aviation operating safety can hardly be
overemphasized.
Another notable SCB-125 alteration included moving the after aircraft
elevator from the centerline to the starboard deck edge, greatly
facilitating aircraft handling. In fact, this change had already been
made on the last six of the SCB-27s, the steam-catapult SCB-27C type,
the final three of which received both modernization schemes in the
same shipyard session. Blending the flight deck's forward end into the
upper hull form, creating the so-called "hurricane" bow, constituted
the final significant change. This concept, already adopted for the
Forrestal class "super carriers" then under construction, improved
seakeeping in rough seas. It also provided a covered location for the
carriers' secondary conning station, whose portholes, visible across
the upper bow plating, were a distinctive feature of the refitted
ships.
Though the SCB-125 program significantly changed the ships'
appearance, the scope of the work was much less than that of SCB-27
and generally took seven or eight months' shipyard time, rather than
the two years or more that was typical of the earlier modernization.
The exception was Oriskany, the SCB-27 prototype and the last to get
the SCB-125 treatment. Uniquely, she had her hydraulic catapults
replaced with more powerful steam types and received many other
improvements in a reconstruction that lasted twenty-eight months in
1957-59.
As quickly as new carriers and steam catapult conversions joined the
fleet during the later '50s, the seven SCB-125 hydraulic catapult
ships were reassigned to the anti-submarine mission, replacing
unmodernized carriers. Four of the seven steam catapult carriers also
became ASW ships during the 1960s, though some of these operated very
little, if at all, in that role. Most of the ASW ships received SQS-23
long-range sonars in 1960-66. Nine ships left active service in
1969-71, as major reductions in fleet strength were implemented. Three
more decommissioned in 1972-74. Hancock and Oriskany lasted into the
middle-'70s, and the veteran Lexington remained operational as
training carrier until 1991. All four of the Essex class museum ships
are of the modernized SCB-27/SCB-125 configuration.
The SCB-125 program involved the further rebuilding of fourteen ships,
as listed below in the order of the completion of this work:
Kearsarge (CVA/CVS-33). Hydraulic catapults. Received SCB-125 refit in
1956-57.
Essex/Ticonderoga class characteristics, as modified under project
SCB-125 with steam catapults:
Displacement: 43,060 tons (full load)
Dimensions: 894' 6" (length overall); 103' (hull); 166' 10" (over
flight deck and projections)
Powerplant: 150,000 horsepower, steam turbines, four propellers, 30.7
knot maximum speed
Aircraft: (as Attack Carrier) Approximately 70 aircraft, including
five squadrons of fighters and attack planes, and small detachments of
heavy attack, airborne early warning and reconnaissance planes;
(as Anti-submarine Support Carrier) Approximately 50 aircraft,
including two squadrons of S2F fixed-wing aircraft, one squadron of
helicopters and small detachments of airborne early warning and (in
the 1960s) fighters.
Gun Armament: eight 5"/38 guns in single mountings plus a few twin 3"/
50 gun mounts. From the mid-1950s onward, gun armament was steadily
reduced to compensate for growing weights of topside equipment and
embarked aircraft.
>
> > Now, Deborah, let's get back to the underlying question.
>
> Which one? How you lied in your header?
>
> >Since the end
> > of the draft, has anyone in your family served in the military?
>
> Why?
Why what, Nyob? Why should they serve? Why do I ask?
>
> >How
> > about your son for starters? Maybe he served in the first Gulf War,
> > eh? He might even have known my son. He was there with the First
> > Marine Division at the extreme east end of the line. That was a war
> > fought in part to enhance the strategic security of Israel. Did your
> > son share those burdens? Or did only suckers to that voluntarily?
>
> At the time of the first Gulf War, my children were between the ages
> of 11 and 4. While you and your ilk would love to see Jewish kids in
> forward positions, you must be aware that others hold different
> views.
Since the end of the draft we've had three wars in the Middle East and
larger Muslim world. All of them are tied in one way or another to our
supine relationship with Israel. Another is quite likely to take place
this summer. It will be in the same category but more so. I'd love to
see American Jewish men, 17 and up, in those forward positions you
speak of so knowledgeably. I'd feel a lot better to see them carrying
their load just like those from fly-over country. You know what I
mean, like virtually every man in my family back to the 19th century.
You know it's not happening and you also know that the lobby is
stridently lobbying for us to attack Iran on Israel's behalf. It
stinks, Nyob.
>
Panta Rhei
newsgroups, writes:
<snip the racist pig's usual, useless, sick garbage>
Groups removed!
You KNOW what you are required to do now, poor sod! LMAO!
...and f'up
omnibuster
A flaming Brit bucktooth homosexual who enjoys sticking his weiner in
another Brit faggots asshole resulting in a mud slide.
Eli rubs more ass than Charmin, what an ass jockey.
HHW
> > > > Even your jokes are dumb.
> > On May 20, 11:45 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Brilliant, Hillel. Military humor is dumb.
>
> US MARINE CORPS OATH OF ENLISTMENT
> I, (pick a name the police won't recognize), swear..uhhhh....
> high-and-tight.... grunt... cammies....kill....fix bayonets....
> charge.... slash....dig.... burn.... blowup.... ugh... Air Force
> women.... beer.....sailors wives.....air strikes....yes
> SIR!....whiskey....liberty call....salute.... Ooorah Gunny ....
> grenades... women.... OORAH! So Help Me Chesty PULLER!
>
> X____________________
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> Date
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> Deborah
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Meet my boss, Deborah:
Cdr. William A. Dean and VF-2 "Rippers"
Fighting Two exemplified the American Navy's aerial superiority in the
Pacific from late 1943 on. In many ways the squadron was typical of
the many outstanding squadrons that we deployed:
Grumman F6F Hellcats
Essex-class carriers
well-trained pilots
teamwork
leadership
It was also the only Fighting Squadron which could claim that one of
its pilots helped to shorten the war by two months. See Ensign Tillar
below. Other squadrons and other aces received (and still receive)
more attention. VF-15 and its CAG, David McCampbell, shot down a lot
more planes. VF-17, The Jolly Rogers, seemed more romantic. Gene
Valencia and Cecil Harris shot down over 20 planes, double the score
of VF-2's top ace (CO Bill Dean).
But VF-2 set one record that will never be broken. Twenty-seven of its
pilots became aces. (Personally, I don't think there will ever be even
one more ace, but that's another discussion. - SS) And that record is
another expression of the leadership of Bill Dean, the teamwork and
skill of the fliers, the excellent American airplanes, carriers, and
weapons.
Fighting Two 'stood up' on June 1, 1943 at Atlantic City Naval Air
Station, under the command of Cdr. Bill Dean, a Naval Academy
graduate. The squadron began training for combat in the first new
Grumman Hellcats, completing gunnery training at Quonset Point NAS, RI
and carrier qualification at Norfolk, VA. It embarked for Pearl Harbor
in October.
In Hawaii, its pilots participated in a Marine landing exercise, and
so impressed the influential Butch O'Hare, that he requested VF-2
replace VF-6 in his Air Group 6 on Enterprise during the upcoming
Gilberts campaign. Under the direction of CAG Butch O'Hare, its pilots
participated in the early development of the Navy's night-fighting
teams. Ens Warren Skon flew Butch's wing and Lt. Cdr. Dean led the
other 3-plane team. Both were flying on the night of Nov. 26, when
Butch was lost.
By December, VF-2 had scored 5 aerial victories. In Jauary, 1944, Ens.
Connie Hargreaves and six other volunteer "Rippers" went aboard USS
Kalinin Bay, an escort carrier, to take part in raids on the Carolines
and the Marianas.
Hornet CV-12 Chronology for March through September, 1944
08 March 1944 - Air Group 2 reported aboard Hornet to replace Air
Group 15, which was not combat ready.
15 March 1944 - Admiral J. J. "Jocko" Clark COMCARDIV 13 came aboard
and made Hornet his flagship.
20 March 1944 - Arrived Majuro in Marshall Islands.
29 March 1944 - Drew first blood from Hornet, CAP splashed Japanese
Betty.
March - May 1944 - Conducted offensive operations against targets in
Carolines and Marianas, including: Palau, Yap, Ulithi, Woleai, Wadke,
Sawar, Sarmi, Hollandia, Truk, Sarawan, Ponape, Moen, Eton, and
Dublon.
29 May 1944 - In Majuro anchorage for change of command.
01 May 1944 - SB2C came aboard with "stuck" 100lb bomb. When it
landed, the bomb came off and detonated killing 2 and wounding 13.
11 June 1944 - Strikes against Marianas
To keep the Japanese defenders off balance, Admiral Mitscher launched
the first fighter sweep against the Marianas in the afternoon of the
11th, instead of early morning on the invasion day, the 12th, as had
been the American habit. At 1300 hours, the carriers turned into the
14-knot wind and launched over 200 Hellcats. They were about 200 miles
from their targets of Guam and Rota.
Cd. Bill Dean led his fliers over the Guam airfields when Lt.(jg)
Howard Duff went down, a victim of AA fire. Circling over his downed
pilot, tryin to guide in the SB2C's to rescue him, Dean didn't see the
30 bandits that bounced his squadron from out of the high overcast.
Warned by Lt.(jg) Wolf, Dean and his wingman, Lt.(jg) Park,
"chandelled" into their attackers, got the advantage, and promptly
downed three of them. Dean shot down another Zero a little later;
while the alert Wolf claimed three. The planes of VF-2 involved in
this mid-afternoon strike claimed 23 victories.
Meanwhile Hornet's CAP destroyed 3 Bettys, and a second strike on Guam
downed another 10 Japanese aircraft. By day's end, while only losing
Duff's plane, Fighting Two had scored 37 victories!
In the next few days, they struck at the Bonin Islands and Iwo Jima,
to destroy any Japanese aircraft there that might be used to attack
the Marines landing on Saipan. This day, Cdr. Dean only sent out
pilots without any victories, so that they could catch up. They made
the most of it, as Lt. Barnard scored 5; Lt.(jg) Noble 3; Lt.(jg)
Carroll 3; and four other pilots accounted for 6 more. On June 18,
many VF-2 pilots took part in extended searches that went out 380
miles with a 50 mile cross-leg. These searches pushed the limits of
the Hellcats and the pilots, as they took five or more hours, and the
Hellcats carried a six-hour fuel supply. No one found the Japanese
fleet.
19/20 June 1944 - First Battle of the Philippine Sea/"Marianas Turkey
Shoot"
VF-2 splashed 47 Japanese planes during the "Turkey Shoot." 'Spider'
Webb downed six over Guam, following his famous radio call "I've got
40 Japs surrounded.."
On the 19th, the Rippers began searching again, but soon the Japanese
came after the U.S. fleet, and the CAP knocked them down.
By dawn of the 20th, they knew they had downed a huge fraction of the
enemy's naval aircraft, but so far they hadn't found his carriers.
About 1600, a contact was made. The Japanese were 200 miles to the
west, a long rounf-trip flight, especially in the late afternoon.
Admiral Mitscher ordered the strike; for maximum punch even the
Hellcats carried 500-pound bombs.
In Aces at War, Vol. 4, Connie Hargreaves described his part in the
mission.
The pilots of Fighting Two flew out to the sighting area, but no
Japanese carriers. The CAG ordered them to press on, beyond the safe
turn-around point. Just as the sun was setting the spotted the Jap
fleet. There was no aerial opposition, just heavy AA. Bill Dean took
his division in first, then Hargreaves' division commenced their
dives. After release, they tried to form up, but the darkness was
absolute: no moon, no city lights reflecting off the clouds, just
their instruments and the running lights of other U.S. planes. The
pilots joined up with any 'friendly' fighter. As they flew back to the
east, first the dive-bombers, then the torpedo bombers began to ditch
as they ran out of fuel.
Hargreaves began to question his navigation, but finally spotted the
wakes of the American fleet below. Procedure called for the landings
to be made in darkness, with only the dim blue deck lights and the
LSO's paddles to guide the planes in. But not many pilots had actually
made night carrier landings, and when a number of bombers crashed on
landing, Mitscher gave his famous order to "Turn on the lights." With
a little more gas than some of the others, Hargreaves circled a little
longer. When he got the 'Cut', he landed uneventfully, but was almost
killed as the next plane landed poorly, missed Hargreaves plane by
inches and knocked another onto a quad AA gun.
It was a somber night in Hornet's ready room, as only six VF-2 pilots
gathered there; but many others had landed on other carriers. Others
were fished out of the water. It turned out that all of Hargreaves'
gang were safe that night, but they lost five aircraft.
24 June 1944 - Rippers scored 62 victories over Iwo Jima
When the Fast Carrier Task Force struck Iwo Jima, 140 IJN fighters and
bombers came out to challenge them. F6F pilots claimed 116 destroyed.
Lt.(jg) Hargreaves shot down four on a single morning sortie; later
that afternoon, on CAP, he got another, to become an ace-in-a-day.
30 June 1944 - Strikes against Eniwetok and Iwo Jima.
03 July 1944 - VF-2 claimed 30 more over Iwo Jima.
July - August 1944 - Strikes against Guam, Rota, Saipan, and Volcano
Islands in preparation for Guam/Palau invasion.
26 August 1944 - Vice Admiral Mark Mitscher (CDR TF-58) aboard to
honor ship for helping in conquest of Marianas.
06 September 1944 - Strikes against Palau Islands.
07 September 1944 - Strikes against Philippine Islands of Davao, Cebu,
Minando, and Negros in preparation for, General MacArthur's invasion
of Morotai.
12 September 1944 - Ensign Tillar Shortens the War
On that morning, Air Group 2 was bombing an island off Cebu; recently
arrived Ensign Thomas Cato Tillar took off from Hornet before dawn in
his Hellcat. He became embroiled in a dogfight with three Japanese
fighters, downed one of them and was shot down himself. Only his
aircraft was damaged; Ens. Tillar ditched safely and clambered aboard
his life raft. He had been slightly injured in the crash, but the sea
was calm and he hoped for a prompt rescue. He found himself about 600
yards from the small island of Apid, which was about 10 miles from
Leyte. Before long, some Filipinos in outriggers came to get him,
communicating their friendliness by their gestures and their actions.
They brought him to shore, where about 200 people were waiting. A
young man, who looked about 18, introduced himself as "Sosa" and
offered to interpret. The others had brought Tillar's gear ashore,
stowing it in a shed labelled "APID WATER TANK". Sosa explained that
the Americans had built the tank and that Apid was the name of the
island. Tillar got on well with the locals, passing out razor blades,
candy, etc. to the islanders, who had no use for the Japanese.
Sosa surprised the downed Ensign by showing him his Philippine Army
papers, indicating him to be a PFC, age 26. He had been captured by
the Japanese, imprisoned on Luzon. After escaping about eighteen
months previously, he had been hiding out on Apid. The local chief and
his wife plied Tillar with raw eggs, which he felt he couldn't refuse.
At about 3PM, much to Tillar's relief, they heard aircraft engines
overhead. Tillar signaled with his mirror, but the planes flew on.
Increasingly aware of his injured shoulder and his exhaustion, Tiller
started to become frightened.
Heading back to the village, they heard more planes again - F6Fs
flying low and slow. Tillar signaled frantically with mirror, tracer
bullets and a Very gun. As the planes circled, an outrigger came
ashore carrying a Lieutenant in the Filipino guerillas. The officer
wore civilian clothes, clean trousers and a pink sport shirt. He told
Tillar that he welcomed the presence of American carriers in the area
and asked to be supplied with weapons and medical supplies. Distracted
by the approach of a Curtiss SO2C rescue seaplane, Tillar asked the
officer about the number of Japanese soldiers on the large islands in
the area. Only 15,000 on Cebu and none on Leyte. Thinking that this
information might be of some modest use to U.S. intelligence officers,
Tillar tried to remember the details, but the seaplane touched down on
the water and taxied in. Tillar rafted out to be picked up by Mike
Spinelli, pilot of the SO2C.
As darkness closed in, they returned in the seaplane to the cruiser
Wichita, where a groggy Tillar was interviewed by Admiral Turner Joy.
At first, he was almost incoherent, but when stimulated by a tumbler
of whiskey that the Admiral ordered for him, he related all his
experiences. Admiral Joy became very interested in the information
about the slight Japanese troop strength in the central Philippines.
Soon his exhaustion and the whiskey did Tillar in, and he staggered to
a bunk and slept for 12 hours.
Meanwhile Admiral Joy sent the information to Admiral Halsey. By the
next day, September 13, Halsey recommended that the proposed invasions
of Yap and Mindanao be cancelled, in favor of a direct strike on Leyte
- that much closer to Manila, and to Tokyo. With General MacArthur's
concurrence, Halsey's bold new plan went up the chain to General
Marshall, President Roosevelt, and other top Allied planners, then in
conference at Quebec. They agreed as well, and 5 weeks later, the
Americans waded ashore on Leyte - two months earlier than in the
original plans.
Ensign Tillar didn't do it all by himself, but his report surely made
the decision to go accelerate the Leyte invasion much easier.
My thanks to Elizabeth Tillar, Cato's daughter, for bringing this
story to my attention, for supplying me with the source articles, and
for gently prodding me to get it done. It is somewhat condensed from
an article that appeared in The American Legion Magazine in March
1960, as told to Albert Rosenfeld. Another version of the story, by
Carl Solberg, appeared in Naval Aviation Museum Foundation magazine,
Vol 7. No. 1, Spring 1986.
22 September 1944 - Rippers closed their victory log when 'Spider'
Webb downed a Tony over Manila.
30 September 1944 - For month of September, Hornet air wing had shot
down or destroyed 55 aircraft, sunk 27 ships, probably sunk 22 more
and damaged more than 128. VF-2 had become top fighter squadron in the
Pacific with more total victories and more ace pilots than any other
fighter squadron. Of 50 pilots on board, 27 (28?) were confirmed aces.
Name Kills Comments
John L. Banks 8.5 -
Lloyd Glynn Barnard 8.0 ace in a day, 6/15 over Iwo Jima
William K. Blair 5.0 also VF-10
Richard B. Blaydes 5.0 -
Daniel A. Carmichael Jr. 12.0 8 w/ VF-2, 4 w/ VBF-12
Charles H. Carroll 6.0 -
Cdr. William A. Dean Jr. 11.0 C.O., led second night-fighting team
with O'Hare, USNA
Landis E. Doner 8.0 -
Franklin T. Gabriel 8.0 -
Richard J. Griffin 8.0 -
Everett C. Hargreaves 8.5 story in Aces at War, Vol. 4, ace in a day
on 6/24
Lt. Cdr. Leroy E. Harris 9.25 12 kills?, also VF-10, USNA
Byron M. Johnson 8.0 -
Kenneth B. Lake 6.0 -
Myrvin E. Noble 7.0 -
Eugene D. Redmond 9.25 also VF-10, killed in Korean War
Leroy W. Robinson 5.0 -
Ross F. Robinson 5.0 -
Robert W. Shackford 5.0 -
Lester H. Sipes 5.0 -
Warren A. Skon 7.0 O'Hare's wingman in Nov. '43
Clyde P. Spitler 5.0 -
Arthur Van Haren Jr. 9.0 -
Merriwell W. Vineyard 6.0 "Tex," also 4 mos. w/ RCAF in Malta
Roy M. Voris 7.0 first flight leader of Blue Angels in 1946
Wilbur B. Webb 7.0 "I've got 40 Japs cornered!" ace in a day on 6/19
over Guam, Navy Cross
John T. Wolf 7.0 -
Earling W. Zaeske 5.0 -
HHW
> "dshar...@gmail.com" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f8dc3219-eac1-4fdc...@q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > OK you made you point.
> > > > Even your jokes are dumb.
> > On May 20, 11:45 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Brilliant, Hillel. Military humor is dumb.
>
> On May 20, 5:58 pm, hillelg...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Try some Israeli military humor. E.g.
> > Q: Why is it OK in the IDF to eat salami with cheese?
> > A: Because the salami has no meat
> > and the cheese has no milk.
> > A military pay is like a woman's period because:
> > 1) You get it once per month.
> > 2) It lasts for a week.
> > 3) If you did not get your pay it means that you were screwed.
>
> What's HHW got against military humor?
Nothing at all. I'm a liberal.
BTW I've still got all my teeth with which to sign the Agreement. I'm
awaiting the call.
HHW
Bugger off Rosen. I'm waiting to hear from Mirelle.
HHW
Naw, You don't say. A Rosenite sock puppet?
HHW
No? Not you either?
HHW
> Gilbert Roth Jr. III M.D. wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 19, 6:39 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On May 19, 6:52 pm, "dshar...@gmail.com" <dshara...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>>> But what else can one expect from a Jew hater?
> >>> On May 19, 11:32 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> One doesn't have to be a Jew hater to detest Deborah,
> >>> But it helps a great deal, as it seems the antisemitic contingent are
> >>> the only ones on these NGs who detest me. Or, rather, they detest the
> >>> facts I present, lacking any of their own. Case in point: HHW.
> >>> Deborah
> >> You are certainly detestable, I agree. But you get there on your
> >> personal merits, mostly by lies and misrepresentation and systematic
> >> character assassination. I've never known anyone nearly as foul as you
> >> and I've surely known my share of miscreants. I assure you that your
> >> unprecedented filth rating is fully deserved and I can't imagine that
> >> your Jewishness could add to it.
>
> > You are and Arab that won't look in the mirror. Everything you have
> > described Deb as, is how you are.
>
> Doc you are very sadly mistaken. Your politics are unimportant; you are
> a terrible judge of character.
Well, he's nuts after all.
Gary Renzetti
be fairly sure that his next will also be his first.
HHW
He's got me partially convinced that he spent four years in the
Crotch, part of the time in California. Maintaining his virginity
would have been almost impossible.
Gary Renzetti
Well, possibly. He also claims to be married. Personally, I think that
he's squirrel food and don't believe a word he posts.