Jews and Communism

[meist...@gmail.com]

Communism was never a "people's revolution", it was always a technique of destruction and enslavement imposed by a parasitic caste (and the parasites were usually Jewish) supported by great influxes of Capital from the Western countries.

Insight into this parasitic caste, insofar as it existed in Russia, comes form the British White paper on Bolshevism (suppressed and abridged, but now, in the age of the internet, available), which records the hellish conditions that transpired immediately after the Revolution: http://ia700407.us.archive.org/20/items/RussiaNo.1/47439722-Russia-No-1.pdf

The relevant pages concerning Jews and Bolshevism are pp. 6, 23, 28, 32, 33, 41, 57, 65, 68, 78 - on p.6 (of the document, not the pdf) we find a telegram from Sir M. Findlay to Mr. Balfour relaying a report by the Netherlands Minister at Petrograd, which contains the following message:

"I consider that the immediate suppression of Bolshevism is the greatest issue now before the world, not even excluding the war which is still raging, and unless, as above stated, Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world, as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."

p. 23 signifies that the Jews had preferential treatment, as they were allowed to engage in illicit trading, while all other trade was at a standstill, it also contains documentation to the effect that Bolshevism was despised by the Russians, but carried out by Jews;

p. 28 says: "The Bolsheviks can no longer be described as a political party holding extreme communistic view. They form relatively small privileged class which is able to terrorise the rest of the population because it has a monopoly both of arms and of food supplies. This class consists chiefly of workmen and soldiers, and included a large non-Russian element, such as Letts and Esthonians and Jews; the latter are specially numerous in higher posts. Members of this class are allowed complete licence, and commit crime against other sections of society.";

p. 32 states "The Bolsheviks comprised chiefly Jews and Germans, who were exceedingly active and enterprising. The Russians were largely anti-Bolshevik, but were for the most part dreamers, incapable of any sustained action, who now, more than ever before, were unable to throw off the yoke of their oppressors. Night after night the counterrevolutionary Societies held secret meetings to plot against the Bolsheviks, but never once was a serious attempt made to carry through the conspiracy. The starving condition of the people quite paralysed their will-power.";

p.33. document # 33 says: "From examination of several labourer and peasant witnesses I have evidence to the effect that very smallest percentage of this district were pro-Bolshevik, majority of labourers sympathising with summoning of Constituent Assembly. Witnesses further stated that Bolshevik leaders did not represent Russian working classes, most of them being Jews.";

p. 41, document # 38, reveals that the party responsible for the murder of the Romanovs consisted entirely of Jews

p. 56 document # 56, says again that Bolshevism was a movement led by Jews,

p. 57, The Results, says that after the Revolution, Jews became the possessors of most of the business houses, it states: "All business became paralysed, shops were closed, Jews became possessors of most of the business houses, and horrible scenes of starvation became common in the country districts. The peasants put their children to death rather than see them starve. In a village on the Dvina, not far from Schlusselberg, a. mother hanged three of her children. I was conducting a funeral in a mortuary of a lunatic asylum at Oudelnaia, near Petrograd, and saw the bodies of a mother and her five children whose throats had been cut by the father because he could not see them suffer."

p. 65, "The Terror", notes the persecution of Russians for thought crimes, and the fact that people had to pay intermediaries, who were mostly Jewish, before they could obtain their release;

p. 68 shows that the food supply committees were entirely in the hands of Jews, and that anti-Semitism was rampant because of the extreme misery that ensued after the Jews had obtained control;

p. 78 details the screams of "Down with that Jew!" thrown at Zinoviev, and that the following couplet was placarded upon the walls of Petrograd - "Down with Lenin and horseflesh, Give us the Tsar and pork.";

p. 80 quotes Zinoviev as saying, "To overcome our enemies we must have our own Socialist Militarism. We must win over to our side, 90 millions out of the 100 millions of population of Russia under the Soviets. As for the rest, we have nothing to say to them; they must be annihilated."

Lenin desired for 90% of the Russian people to perish in order that 10% could be converted to the Communist faith: http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/09/crypto-jew-lenin-wanted-to-kill-90-of.html?zx=9055ee6243cca75d

[Jos Boersema]

On 2012-09-19, meist...@gmail.com <meist...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Communism was never a "people's revolution", it was always a
> technique of destruction and enslavement imposed by a parasitic caste
> (and the parasites were usually Jewish) supported by great influxes
> of Capital from the Western countries.

[...]

Neither communism (totalitarian plan economics into the finest details
of the economy with some sort of a democratic control, something that
only works on the scale of the family), nor capitalism are the Torah.
The Torah economic model is against profit making on investment, on loans.
That means the Torah is anti-capitalist, it outlaws capitalism. If you where
to 'commit' capitalism in a nation that follows the Torah law, you would
be brought up for trial and punishment until you either comply, or are
taken out of the system (for example banishment, or long term imprisonment).
The Torah economic model combines the freedom of trade, with the strong
suggestion to be fair and non-deceptive in those trades.
That means the Torah is anti-totalitarian-plan-economy. If you where to
attempt to establish a plan-economy in a Torah law following nation, you
will have to overthrow the Torah law.
The Torah economic model has distribution of soil to all, in equal numbers,
starting this off by lottery. That means there is no free trade, or
centralization of ownership of soil. That also means it is neither capitalist,
nor plan-economic.

This begs the question: why where Jewish people historically involved with
the communist movement ? It also begs the question: why are and where Jewish
people involved in the money lending business even to their own people ?
The short answer is: they have broken their own laws for the sake of short
term greed, attempting to deceive their own people with such preposterous
nonsense that you can clearly see (perhaps) that Jewish people are not good
liars. What they put up in deception around the prosbul and hetter iska is
too laughable to be repeated and discredited. The answer to the law breaking
is probably a simple one: all these people are banished, they are out of
the nation and will not come back. This is how I would at least personally
deal with these people: deport them. They've hardened in their criminality,
so the punishment will likewise be hardened. They can perhaps be deported to
Egypt, if the Egyptians would accept that at least. Then they'd be back home.
Perhaps even better is to send them to Babylon (Iraq), then they'd be
back with their mother traitor they follow: their Hillel the Elder
who came from there. Sounds a bit harsh perhaps, but it's not because these
people *change* the nation of Israel as it is now to a disaster zone.
Why do they need every single part of the world ? The world is big, let them
go to some other area and wreak havoc there with a people that do likewise.

Somehow these people have to be removed from Eretz Israel, so that
those who belong to Moshe can follow the Torah law and be an example
nation. That is even better for them, because then those big nations
might also learn how economics works and do it themselves, and that way
when those nations 'redeem themselves,' so would that generation of
old Hillellite traitors be redeemed with them. Their only hope in a sense
is to be banished from Eretz Israel.

I'd not normally post such harsh things, but I thought it might be good
to do it on what might turn out to be the even of WW3 so that maybe some
Jewish people - even if only one - might realize in how much trouble they
are, and that there is no special loyalty to them if they break the laws
of Mozes. There is only help if they follow their laws. There is actually
an hightened aggressive war against them if they don't, according to the
Torah, right from the Creator himself. So many Jewish people seem to think
they are going to be fine, just because they claim to be Jewish people
without doing the laws of Mozes. They might have bought into the deception
that they are protected no matter what. To the degree they are, that
protection *includes* their wholesale slaughter, in order to protect the
Torah by destroying the law breakers from the field - this is at least
exactly what the Torah says and so not to belief it is fine with me, but
then you're not a proper 'normal' Jewish person.

I can almost hear certain 'secular Jewish people' laugh at this, youth
especially, as they fancy themselves rational and powerful. haha, what is
this guy dumb, haha we are so powerful. Remember you where warned and shown
what to do. Do not blame your G.d for what will happen to you, rather thank
your G.d for destroying your people once again for your law breaking, so
that the survivors might cling to the Torah. That makes the Jewish people
survive, because their Law is all they have and are. Without it they're
nothing, with it they could easily be the most powerful and happy nation
in the entire world. Laugh and drink whine while you can, your enemies
are watching in disgust and growing anger, readying the deathblow. The
bow is being tightened. Arab people in some parts might massacre their
own just for singing and dancing, or somehow behaving like decadent
westerners. Imagine how they will deal with you. While you drink your
whine on your parties, the blade of your execution is being sharpened all
around you. I'd say you would be fine anyway, as long as you keep your
Torah law; perhaps even protected by the Creator himself as at least the
Torah claims. Let go of that Law, and the Torah says the Creator will let
you slip out of his hand of protection, and even feed you personally to
the bloody sword of your enemies to be culled as a failed experiment.

It's easy to say things like this, because it's nothing more then repeating
what the Jewish prophets already have said. You dance around with the Torah
in a dark cloth pretending to be happy, and then you break those laws. I'm
sad for you, because most Jewish people seem to be nice and friendly in
general. I don't understand the dishonesty with which htese economic Torah
laws are treated. If some Rabbi says 'prosbul is good,' he has just let you
know that he knows nothing and is unworthy, that he is a fool. Then don't
listen to such a traitor, if possible banish them to Babylon where they came
from. Then watch how quickly they repent. Fine, let them repent then.

I am still waiting for the question: what kind of monument does the current
wayward generation of Jewish people want, to commemmorate the 2nd holocaust
that is likely to massacre them even worse then the 1st. Why not draw this
monument yourself ? Perhaps a great flask of whine ? How about a flask of
whine, with engraved on it the prosbul document, and written before it:
They rebelled against the Torah, their G.d struck them down like
never before. XXXXXXXXX Jewish people died. Mourn them not, they got
the wages of their transgressions.
Then a graphical depiction of millions of flasks of whine symbolizing each
Jewish person that was destroyed. The whine symbolizes their absence of
mind, as if they didn't know the prosbul is offensive, as if they didn't
know aggressive struggle against that treason was in urgent order. As if
they didn't knew better. Of course they knew better; they where just intend
to party to the last moment, not caring anymore they where marked for death.

I talk rough so maybe you realize that soon the roughness of war might actually
get to you personally. That at least is what the prophets have said will
happen, hence I don't see a reason not to work within such a system of
possibility when talking to Jewish people (right ?). Oh you thought I was
a religious loon, hmm ? Sorry to dissapoint.

It is certainly saddening to watch holocaust monuments that really depict
the amount of Jewish people murdered, to let it sink in how many it was.
It's an incredible crime. Here we are, and the Jewish people seem to be
not even care that their law breaking has something to do with it. It seems
that they can't even conceive that their law breaking has an influence on
the way they are being treated. However the Tanach says that such is the
cause of their suffering, and nothing else. Safety is not with the American
Empire, safety is with the Torah laws and to stop the prosbul, stop the
hetter iska, distribute the holy land, stop this game with the Shabbos
where you can work on the evening. Throw the whole Talmud in the oven,
burn the Mishna Torah, use the works of Hillel the Elder and Maimonides
for target practice. Then the Torah shines brighter, and you'd be probably
saver then ever; and many nations around you might see and learn, that
would be the greater good. That cascades into even more security as these
nations do no longer want to attack/conquest the Jewish people, but on the
contrary hold them in the highest regards (as they should, considdering what
happyness they may get into themselves having learned from the Jewish people
how they could live.)

That is also already in the Torah - which shows how the Torah is rational.
The Torah is science and logic, without making it explicit, perhaps so that
the knowledge would not be abused (certainly on the matter of economics the
Torah is logical and good, although imho it's not the only way to implement
that kind of a system and it could still be improved but all within a fairly
narrow margin that controls investment capital, furthers fair trade and
distributes the land).

Say hello to death, Jewish people. Shake its hand and invite it into your
home. Seat him at the dinner table, where you should have seated the poor
and lended readily to them, forgiving their debt in the 7th year. Enjoy
your party meals, toast your whine with your friend death. That's your
friend you invited, when you decided to break these Torah laws. So be
marry and laugh, dance around with death in your circle, put death at the
head of your nation and fall down in admiration for your master. Want to
live ? Then stop being a fool about Torah economic laws, for one thing.
Take hold of your own part of the land. DO WHAT YOUR G.D TOLD YOU TO DO.

[cedo....@gmail.com]

Shut up, Jew.

There is NO doubt that Jews created the mess that set off the Bolshevik revolution in Russia.

The Jew involvement in destroying Russia is well documented.

The Jew involvement in destroying the USA is plain to see but no one is game to take them on and kick them out.

[Jos Boersema]

On 2012-09-22, cedo....@gmail.com <cedo....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shut up, Jew.

Thanks for calling me a Jew, although I'm not a Jew I considder it an
honor to be associated with the people of the Torah; although sadly they
break more of their laws then they should. At least they have good laws,
that's more then the vast majority of peoples have in terms of economics.

> There is NO doubt that Jews created the mess that set off the Bolshevik
> revolution in Russia.

They where no doubt involved, however Russia was a crushing tyranny under
the Czars. If you doubt that then our conversation has ended. The question
is where did the Russian Revolution destroy itself ? One could argue that
the destruction came from within, from the top, with the marxist ideas of
a totalitarian planned economy under democratic control. That democratic
control itself was betrayed by Lenin when he had the people in St Petersburg
shot (iirc), who wanted a council type Government. That was the beginning
of Stalinism, and soon Stalin was there: Czarism was back, not much had
changed. Some of their key mistakes was not understanding economics, which
can feed both into a more bloody or failed revolution as fewer people support
the cause (because the cause would be flawed more), and will more certainly
feed into the failure of the post-revolutionary system (because of its
flaws such as totalitarian plan economics).

The problem for the Russian revolution that the Jewish people where not
involved enough, and they where not Jewish enough. They just neglect to
read their own books. Yesterday I talked to a Jewish person on the Internet,
and he said they read their books all the time. Every week another portion
(as if I didn't know that.) They don't read it, they go over the motions
without noticing it anymore.

One could ask where did the plans of the plan-economic come from, and where
did Lenin and Stalin come from. One could also ask why where the people of
Russia so ignorant of economics themselves ? Didn't they have in the first
part of their so-called 'bible' explained to them how economics works ?
Didn't the Jewish people put those books there indirectly ? Then why did
nobody care ? Maybe they where all themselves to blame, Jewish people and
non-Jewish people. They didn't care then, they don't care now.

> The Jew involvement in destroying Russia is well documented.

Hat was there to destroy ? I hardcore tyranny ?

> The Jew involvement in destroying the USA is plain to see but no one is
> game to take them on and kick them out.

A couple of million people hold the U$A by the neck ? You must be one hell
of a pathetic bunch of loosers over there then. The problem is your own
ignorance, your own lack of will to do what is right. You should disunite
your union, because your Empire is corrupt and can never be kept good because
it is too big. The states, and small groups of small states, should be
Sovereign, having their own coin, army, foreign policy and law. Then you
have to give everyone their soil, and stop playing games with money in the
economy. Instead you're blaming a minority in your country, so that you
don't have to face up to the fact of what you are yourself: at this point
a failure. Makes you angry ? That should tell you that you're hysterical.
You just want to shed some blood and go on with your bloodlusting empire,
even though you know it's bad.
--
http://www.law4.org

[plainolamerican]

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speculation noted.

it's just a matter of time until the zionist christian political power
is decreased and rational non-myth believing Americans put the jews
and israel where they belong.

[plainolamerican]

On Sep 24, 2:57 am, Jos Boersema <jo...@localhost.localdomain> wrote:

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so you like myth believing parasites ... eh?

You should disunite
your union, because your Empire is corrupt and can never be kept good
because
it is too big. The states, and small groups of small states, should be
Sovereign, having their own coin, army, foreign policy and law.

--
no thanks ... we like being the USA. The greatest nation the planet
has ever known.

Then you
have to give everyone their soil, and stop playing games with money in
the
economy. Instead you're blaming a minority in your country,

----
when you add the jews to the zionist xian shills in the upper levels
of government, they're more than just a minority.
but not to worry ... we'll eventually get the zionist xian myth
believers out of our government and send the jews packing.

so that you
don't have to face up to the fact of what you are yourself: at this
point
a failure.

---
America is still the envy of the world. Coke, mom, Apple, blackberry
pie and a military able to stomp everyone's ass into a mud hole.

choose sides careefully

[Jos Boersema]

On 2012-09-24, plainolamerican <plainol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> so you like myth believing parasites ... eh?

Could you perhaps use normal quoting conventions ? You make it seem you
wrote what I wrote. I don't agree with your quoting innovation because
it is unclear. Why did you do it and why do you think it is a good idea.

I do not belief in parasites, I all the time attempt to get the Jewish
people to stop being parasites on each other, as well as I attempt you
and your people to be a parasite through the same mechanisms of the lending
games. You are almost certainly part of another people who has laws that
allow rent seeking on loans. The original Jewish people under Mozes where
against such parasitism, sadly they hav ecorrupted themselves and payed
an immense price in blood, that is still going on and more blood they are
almost certainly going to be pay for it. It is for this reason that I do
not associate with any Jewish people, because I can't stand their treason
to the Torah law. Secondly, since they will probably be dealt with soon,
it isn't safe to be associated with Jewish people. They have marked themselves
for death.

> no thanks ... we like being the USA. The greatest nation the planet
> has ever known.

So you like associating with myth believing Imperial parasites ?

> when you add the jews to the zionist xian shills in the upper levels
> of government, they're more than just a minority.

Who's fault would that be, perhaps you the voter ?

> but not to worry ... we'll eventually get the zionist xian myth
> believers out of our government and send the jews packing.

New testament idolators are not Jewish, at least nobody thinks so.

> America is still the envy of the world. Coke, mom, Apple, blackberry
> pie and a military able to stomp everyone's ass into a mud hole.
>
> choose sides careefully

You are going to be destroyed, the world perhaps not going to be a better
place because of that, but the most warhungry Empire in the world will have
met its well deserved fate. If your catastrophe of a greedy self absorbed
arrogant Empire is going to be allowed to go on, then you will become
potentially the worst Empire the world has known because of the use of
modern technology in the arts of tyranny. Even for your own sake it is
better that you are destroyed, because you will become opressed by your
own tyrannical ruling gangs soon enough - if you aren't already. They
conquested and destroyed other nations while you cheered them on, but
eventually they are going to take you down, see their own backyard as a
target. They will be well trained in the arts of tyranny, extrajudicial
torture, war propaganda, torture and more such 'beautiful' American values.

I choose sides carefully, based on what Justice you have. There are good
things in the history of the U$A, which are the founding fathers. What the
U$A is now is becoming the deadly enemy that the founding fathers of the U$A
have fought. Secondly, these founding fathers wheren't all *that* great
either: they where still slave owners, and/or murderers of native peoples.
They apparently did not understand economics (perhaps not strange for slave
owners?), thus they made laws which do not include a working economic model.
They allowed parasite banking and parasite land-owning, which the law of
Mozes does not allow. That modern Jewish people allow it means they are
law breakers, you could call them the enemy of the Torah, or criminals of
the original Israelite people (sadly that seems to include just about all of
them). That's not because I hate them, but it's the legal concequence of
the law, that's all. The modern Jewish people would be sentenced to prison
or worse if they where to do and teach the things they do now, in the time
of 'Judges' for example. They are all criminals effectively. I think most
of them have a good chance of dying in the coming 15 years. I don't choose
their side either.

The question is why do you fault the Jewish people, and are you doing right
where they do wrong ? The answer is that you don't do right where they do
wrong, you're worse with your lending games then they are, you're more of
a parasite then they ever where with your criminal Empire.

[Jos Boersema]

On 2012-09-24, plainolamerican <plainol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> so you like myth believing parasites ... eh?

Could you perhaps use normal quoting conventions ? You make it seem you
wrote what I wrote. I don't agree with your quoting innovation because
it is unclear. Why did you do it and why do you think it is a good idea.

I do not belief in parasites, I all the time attempt to get the Jewish
people to stop being parasites on each other, as well as I attempt you

and your people to stop being a parasite through the same mechanisms of the

lending
games. You are almost certainly part of another people who has laws that
allow rent seeking on loans. The original Jewish people under Mozes where
against such parasitism, sadly they hav ecorrupted themselves and payed
an immense price in blood, that is still going on and more blood they are
almost certainly going to be pay for it. It is for this reason that I do
not associate with any Jewish people, because I can't stand their treason
to the Torah law. Secondly, since they will probably be dealt with soon,
it isn't safe to be associated with Jewish people. They have marked themselves
for death.

> no thanks ... we like being the USA. The greatest nation the planet
> has ever known.

So you like associating with myth believing Imperial parasites ?

> when you add the jews to the zionist xian shills in the upper levels
> of government, they're more than just a minority.

Who's fault would that be, perhaps you the voter ?

> but not to worry ... we'll eventually get the zionist xian myth
> believers out of our government and send the jews packing.

New testament idolators are not Jewish, at least nobody thinks so.

> America is still the envy of the world. Coke, mom, Apple, blackberry
> pie and a military able to stomp everyone's ass into a mud hole.
>
> choose sides careefully

--
Supersede:
and your people to *stop being* a parasite through the same mechanisms of the
lending

[plainolamerican]

On Sep 25, 2:58 am, Jos Boersema <jo...@localhost.localdomain> wrote:

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speculation noted ... not shared

The question is why do you fault the Jewish people,

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because they promote socialism and the defense of israel by America.
They're either loyal to the USA first or they should be sent home to
israel.

your criminal Empire.
---
opinion noted ... not shared.
The enforcement of our law and our freedoms are what separates us from
the rest of the animals on the planet.

[NefeshBarYochai]

> the rest of the animals on the planet.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Look you plainoleasshole don't you think when you jack-off you should
keep it off the newsgroup before someone gives you a knuckle sandwich
you disproportionate fucked up stinker and common contaminated
plainoleasshole idolater? You’re a fucking palse.

[plainolamerican]

go eat your dead mother's pussy and stfu, bitch!

keep it off the newsgroup before someone gives you a knuckle sandwich

---
anytime, anywhere ... bring your favorite weapons and your will.

[Jos Boersema]

On 2012-09-25, plainolamerican <plainol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 25, 2:58?am, Jos Boersema <jo...@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>>On 2012-09-24, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 24, 2:57?am, Jos Boersema <jo...@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>>>> On 2012-09-22, cedo.nul...@gmail.com <cedo.nul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Shut up, Jew.

[...]

>> You are going to be destroyed,
>

> speculation noted ... not shared

I should have added 'probably,' although it isn't that much of a stretch
that with a 9% approval rating of your Congress you already have lost
the legimitacy of your Government under your own Constitution. The question
is: where are you, when are you going to rectify your problems ? Or ... are
you too busy blaming tiny minorities ? I think so, but that is typical, at
least it happens a lot. I use you, you could say, to scare the Jewish people
to come back to their law. If they where doing their law in the U$A, you
would not be able to call them parasites. I hope some Jewish people read
our exchange, where you wish to hurt them to blame them for your guilt and
problems, and that they would be protected from such 'wild animal' (your
quote below) attacks if they had been doing their Torah law.

>> The question is why do you fault the Jewish people,
>

> because they promote socialism and the defense of israel by America.

I agree that a 'totalitarian plan economy' is not what you need, if
htey promote that in the U$A then this would not be very helpful. However
you might want to notice that a plan-economy is a typical New-Testament
cultists thing, it is NOT THE TORAH ! What are all these 'monastaries'
that the new testament people engage in ? They are attempts at a planned
economy (what Americans call 'socialism'). That is *european culture* this
plan-economy. The Torah does not contain a planned economy, although it
does contain help for the poor. The Torah has land for all, and to trade
freely (and fairly).

Why does this plan-economy so often come up as a solution, for example
by the New-Testament people, and later by the 'socialists' ? Because it
is how you can survive as a family, or as a small band in the stone age !
It is a primitive form of economics, it works and can be much fairer then
free trade. The problem is that it only works on a tiny scale. It also
does not work for farming people, although it can still work within the
small family (parents and children, or a bit more). For farming peoples,
larger peoples, you need free trade. That is the Torah, a Torah that the
Jewish people brought to you. Sadly they don't even read or do it themselves,
but maybe you could !

One problem with your 'solution' that if you throw the Jewsih people out,
you do not throw the idea of a plan-economy out with them. On the contrary,
the plan-economy is an idea that is widely held by European peoples as a
solution to the economic problems, probably for reason that it is primitive
and has existed in the past. To solve your problems you should rather concider
to become Jewish yourself, as far as its economic system is concerned: each
their land, don't play games with lending. That should help you a lot !
The unemployed gain land, those capable can create businesses and prosperity.
But I have asked this often to Americans like yourself, and the answer is
usually that such a system does not satisfy the lust for greed and power.
It would be 'too fair' as it where, although that is of course not explicitly
said, it is the impression I have. You don't *want* something that works,
that is fair, because you fear you can not become a rich parasite anymore
(to put it starkly).

> They're either loyal to the USA first or they should be sent home to
> israel.

That is an argument I guess, maybe they should be send back. If you would
do that without killing them, it might not even be so bad.

>> your criminal Empire.

>
> opinion noted ... not shared.
> The enforcement of our law and our freedoms are what separates us from
> the rest of the animals on the planet.

You talk and behave in this discussion like a wild animal, haven't you
noticed ? You just want to 'throw people out' of your nation, for specious
reasoning that they are not loyal to your idea of America, and somehow
to blame for your ignorance about economics, and your failure to address
the situation in your own nation.

But that is typical, and the next step is you will perhaps start to
attack people physically and even go over into murder. That is the
historical pattern, I don't think I can change it by making an argument.
Perhaps some Jewish people see all this, and become as concerned as they
should be about their own breaking of the Torah law. Sadly I don't think
so. You don't care for solutions, you just like to get your hands bloody.
Being constructive is not something you enjoy, burning raping and murdering
is much more fun. True ? If not, I'm looking forward to your plan to
reform the American economy constructively, give all their soil and stop
your money games. Just because only the Jewish people have laws against
rent-seeking on loans, doesn't mean you will also suffer the ill effects
of allowing such practices. The banks that destroy you only exist because
of your failure to stop them (the same is of course true of Europe and
my own nation there - where sadly the people neither listen like you
probably will not either).

[plainolamerican]

On Sep 25, 12:16 pm, Jos Boersema <jo...@localhost.localdomain> wrote:

---
you're mistaking me for a jew.

The banks that destroy you only exist because
of your failure to stop them

---
again you mention the banks and have exposed yourself.
If we can get the jews out of the federal reserve and complete an
audit we can reform America's economy.

the rest of your accusations are bunk ... hogwash ... and bullshit.
continue to protect the jews and you'll find yourself on the same boat
headed for israel.

[Jos Boersema]

On 2012-09-25, plainolamerican <plainol...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> ?your criminal Empire.

>>
>>> opinion noted ... not shared.
>>> The enforcement of our law and our freedoms are what separates us from
>>> the rest of the animals on the planet.
>>
>>You talk and behave in this discussion like a wild animal, haven't you
>>noticed ? You just want to 'throw people out' of your nation, for specious
>>reasoning that they are not loyal to your idea of America, and somehow
>>to blame for your ignorance about economics, and your failure to address
>>the situation in your own nation.
>>
>>But that is typical, and the next step is you will perhaps start to
>>attack people physically and even go over into murder. That is the
>>historical pattern, I don't think I can change it by making an argument.
>>Perhaps some Jewish people see all this, and become as concerned as they
>>should be about their own breaking of the Torah law. Sadly I don't think
>>so. You don't care for solutions, you just like to get your hands bloody.
>>Being constructive is not something you enjoy, burning raping and murdering
>>is much more fun. True ? If not, I'm looking forward to your plan to
>>reform the American economy constructively, give all their soil and stop
>>your money games. Just because only the Jewish people have laws against
>>rent-seeking on loans, doesn't mean you will also suffer the ill effects
>>of allowing such practices. The banks that destroy you only exist because
>>of your failure to stop them (the same is of course true of Europe and
>>my own nation there - where sadly the people neither listen like you
>>probably will not either).
>

> you're mistaking me for a jew.
>

> again you mention the banks and have exposed yourself.
> If we can get the jews out of the federal reserve and complete an
> audit we can reform America's economy.

You just can't accept that your own people have created the central bank.
That you are dealing with internal corruption, just as the Jewish people
have internal corruption as well. These forms of corruption seem to end
up similar: they want to bend laws in order to profit from making loans.

How do you want to "reform America's economy" ? Do you know what has
happened to other nations that blamed everything on the Jewish people ?
Did they suddenly do much better after they murdered the Jewish people
there ? Spain recently even had a period of tyranny under Franco. Europe
is descending into a new violent Empire called the EU, even though the
Jewish people have been decimated here to the point they are so few that
they virtually do not exist. Still we have an economy run by banks and
financiers, still the Dutch people go to war and murder other peoples
to get oil and suck up to the most violent Empire of conquest of today
(the U$A).

Better not call it 'Federal Reserve' as that is confusing people who
think it is nationalized when it largely is not nationalized. The
name is a trick, just like I'd say the name 'intelligence services'
is a trick. Call them secret services or information services. They
are not 'intelligent' services.

> the rest of your accusations are bunk ... hogwash ... and bullshit.
> continue to protect the jews and you'll find yourself on the same boat
> headed for israel.

Thanks for the free ticket in that case. I might as well fight for
justice from the state of Israel, although I think that the zionists
might put me in jail if they fear that I might get some results.

Why is it so hard for you to come to terms with that your own people
are corrupt ? Do you see every American agreeing with you on your
central bank, those who are not claiming to be Jewish ? If you all
agreed that the central bank has to be under Congressional power, then
don't you have a majority of something like 98% ? You want to blame
the Jewish people for deceiving everyone ?

In a sense that is even correct, because the Jewish people are adhering
to the prosbul and hetter iska lies instead of the Torah law, they are
giving 'the nations' a bad example. The result is financiers run the
world, and nobody has their own soil. Had the Jewish people kept to
their good Torah laws, there is a fairly good chance that controls on
investment and distribution of land would now be the norm in the world.
In that sense you are right that the Jewish people are to blame. They
did not do their job to be an example nation, hence the peoples like
yours would make the mistakes they where going to make not having any
clue how things should work. In that sense you are yourself to blame,
as if you couldn't figure out how economics is to work. You could, but
you just don't care enough to do it. I told you how it works, and you
don't even care. That shows how you are yourself to blame.

[cedo....@gmail.com]

Jews created the Federal Reserve Ace.
Jews run the Federal Reserve.
Jews OWN the Federal Reserve.
Jews have used the Federal Reserve to engineer global financial crises as far back as the Great Depression.

Jews are destroying America and much of the world.

[Jos Boersema]

On 2012-09-27, cedo....@gmail.com <cedo....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jews created the Federal Reserve Ace.
> Jews run the Federal Reserve.
> Jews OWN the Federal Reserve.
> Jews have used the Federal Reserve to engineer global financial
> crises as far back as the Great Depression.
>
> Jews are destroying America and much of the world.

[...]

Find the nearest Jewish person, and try to connect them to the U$A
central bank, you will in most cases find that you can not. Maybe
tryou find someone working in some trade XYZ, they probably are just
as clueless as most people about the U$A central bank. After searching
more you find some Jewish persons are in finance ? That still isn't
the U$A central bank, although it certainly gets closer. Now do the
same for whatever American, and you will get the same pattern. These
people don't even know what you are talking about.

Do not call it 'federal reserve,' that is a trick name designed to
make people think it is 'Federal' as in 'owned by the people.' Call
it U$A central bank or perhaps better 'privately owned U$A central
bank.' Although there may be public elements of its ownership, you
could always try to explain the situation when someone asks.

Jewish people are not more into destroying the world then any other
western types, and the other peoples most of them would probably
destroy the world as well if they had the technical capability, as
evidenced by the usual less then optimal distribution of work versus
wealth in their nations. Some people here have called me 'a Jew,' yet
I am against the U$A central bank, or any other privately owned central
bank. I am certain you can find many Jewish people who also do not agree
with the U$A privately owned central bank.

If there is someone who wants to destroy, it may be the top bankers,
but they use people like you who are easily deceived to do it. To foment
wars and useless violence, instead of building up a better society.

[plainolamerican]

According to his own statements and the facts, Paul M. Warburg, a jew,
set out to control the monetary system of the United States, and did
so. He had the success which comes to few men, of coming an alien to
the United States, connecting himself with the principal Jewish
financial firm here, and immediately floating certain banking ideas
which have been pushed and manipulated and variously adapted until
they eventuated in what is known as the Federal Reserve System.

When Professor Seligman wrote in the Proceedings of the Academy of
Political Science that “the Federal Reserve Act will be associated in
history with the name of Paul M. Warburg,” a Jewish banker from
Germany, he wrote the truth. But whether that association will be such
as to bring the measure of renown which Professor Seligman implies,
the future will reveal.

What the people of the United States do not understand and never have
understood is that while the Federal Reserve Act was governmental, the
whole Federal Reserve System is private. It is an officially created
private banking system.

Examine the first thousand persons you meet on the street, and 999
will tell you that the Federal Reserve System is a device whereby the
United States Government went into the banking business for the
benefit of the people. They have an idea that, like the Post Office
and the Custom House, a Federal Reserve Bank is a part of the
Government’s official machinery.

It is natural to feel that this mistaken view has been encouraged by
most of the men who are competent to write for the public on this
question. Take up the standard encyclopedias, and while you will find
no misstatements of fact in them, you will find no direct statement
that the Federal Reserve System is a private banking system; the
impression carried away by the lay reader is that it is a part of the
Government.

The Federal Reserve System is a system of private banks, the creation
of a banking aristocracy within an already existing autocracy, whereby
a great proportion of banking independence was lost, and whereby it
was made possible for speculative financiers to centralize great sums
of money for their own purposes, beneficial or not.

That this System was useful in the artificial conditions created by war
—useful, that is, for a Government that cannot manage its own business
and finances and, like a prodigal son, is always wanting money, and
wanting it when it wants it—it has proved, either by reason of its
inherent faults or by mishandling, its inadequacy to the problems of
peace. It has sadly failed of its promise, and is now under serious
question.

Mr. Warburg’s scheme succeeded just in time to take care of war
conditions, he was placed on the Federal Reserve Board in order to
manage his system in practice, and though he was full of ideas then as
to how banking could be assisted, he is disappointingly silent now as
to how the people can be relieved.

However, this is not a discussion of the Federal Reserve System.
General condemnation of it would be stupid. But it is bound to come up
for discussion one day, and the discussion will become much freer when
people understand that it is a system of privately owned banks, to
which have been delegated certain extraordinary privileges, and that
it has created a class system within the banking world which
constitutes a new order.

Mr. Warburg, it will be remembered, wanted only one central bank. But,
because of political considerations, as Professor Seligman tells us,
twelve were decided upon. An examination of Mr. Warburg’s printed
discussions of the subject shows that he at one time considered four,
then eight. Eventually, twelve were established. The reason was that
one central bank, which naturally would be set up in New York, would
give a suspicious country the impression that it was only a new scheme
to keep the nation’s money flowing to New York. As shown by Professor
Seligman, quoted in the last number, Mr. Warburg was not averse to
granting anything that would allay popular suspicion without vitiating
the real plan.

So, while admitting to the Senators who examined him as to his fitness
for membership on the Federal Reserve Board—the Board which fixed the
policies of the banks of the Federal Reserve System and told them what
to do—that he did not like the 12 district banks idea, he said that
his objections to it could “be overcome in an administrative way.”
That is, the 12 banks could be so handled that the effect would be the
same as if there were only one central bank, presumably in New York.

And that is about the way it has resulted, and that will be found to
be one of the reasons for the present situation of the country.

There is no lack of money in New York today. Motion picture ventures
are being financed into the millions. A big grain selling pool, nursed
into existence and counseled by Bernard M. Baruch, has no hesitancy
whatever in planning for a $100,000,000 corporation. Loew, the Jewish
theatrical man, had no difficulty in opening 20 new theaters this year
—

But go into the agricultural states, where the real wealth of the
country is in the ground and in the granaries, and you cannot find
money for the farmer.

It is a situation which none can deny and which few can explain,
because the explanation is not to be found along natural lines.
Natural conditions are always easiest to explain. Unnatural conditions
wear an air of mystery. Here is the United States, the richest country
in the world, containing at the present hour the greatest bulk of
wealth to be found anywhere on earth—real, ready, available, usable
wealth; and yet it is tied up tight, and cannot move in its legitimate
channels, because of manipulation which is going on as regards money.

Money is the last mystery for the popular mind to penetrate, and when
it succeeds in getting “on the inside” it will discover that the
mystery is not in money at all, but in its manipulation, the things
which are done “in an administrative way.”

The United States has never had a President who gave evidence of
understanding this matter at all. Our Presidents have always had to
take their views from financiers. Money is the most public quantity in
the country; it is the most federalized and governmentalized thing in
the country; and yet, in the present situation, the United States
Government has hardly anything to do with it, except to use various
means to get it, just as the people have to get it, from those who
control it.

The Money Question, properly solved, is the end of the Jewish Question
and every other question of a mundane nature.

Mr. Warburg is of the opinion that different rates of interest ought
to obtain in different parts of the country. That they have always
obtained in different parts of the same state we have always known,
but the reason for it has not been discovered. The city grocer can get
money from his bank at a lower rate than the farmer in the next county
can get it from his bank. Why the agricultural rate of interest has
been higher than any other (when money is obtainable; it is not
obtainable now) is a question to which no literary nor oratorical
financier has ever publicly addressed himself. It is like the fact of
the private business nature of the Federal Reserve Sysem—very
important, but no authority thinks it worth while to state. The
agricultural rate of interest is of great importance, but to discuss
it would involve first an admission, and that apparently is not
desirable.

In comparing the present Federal Reserve Law with the proposed Aldrich
Bill, Mr. Warburg said:

Mr. Warburg—“. . . . . . . . I think that this present law has the
advantage of dealing with the entire country and giving them different
rates of discount, whereas, as Senator Aldrich’s bill was drawn, it
would have been very difficult to do that, as it provided for one
uniform rate for the whole country, which I thought was rather a
mistake.”

Senator Bristow—“That is, you can charge a higher rate of interest
in one section of the country under the present law, than you charge
in another section, while under the Aldrich plan it would have been a
uniform rate.”

Mr. Warburg—“That is correct.”

That is a point worth clearing up. If Mr. Warburg, having educated the
bankers, will now turn his attention to the people, and make it clear
why one class in the country can get money for business that is not
productive of real wealth, while another class engaged in the
production of real wealth is treated as outside the interest of
banking altogether; if he can make it clear also why money is sold to
one class or one section of the country at one price, while to another
class and in another section it is sold at a different price, he will
be adding to the people’s grasp of these matters.

This suggestion is seriously intended. Mr. Warburg has the style, the
pedagogical patience, the grasp of the subject which would make him an
admirable public teacher of these matters.

What he has already done was planned from the point of view of the
interest of the professional financier. It is readily granted that Mr.
Warburg desired to organize American finances into a more pliable
system. Doubtless in some respects he has wrought important
improvements. But he had always the banking house in mind, and he
dealt with paper. Now, if taking up a position outside those special
interests, he would address himself to the wider interests of the
people—not assuming that those interests always run through a banking
house—he would do still more than he has yet done to justify his
feeling that he really had a mission in coming to this country.

Mr. Warburg is not at all shocked by the idea that the Federal Reserve
System is really a new kind of private banking control, because in his
European experience he saw that all the central banks were private
affairs.

In his essay on “American and European Banking Methods and Bank
Legislation Compared,” Mr. Warburg says: (the italics are ours)

“It may also be interesting to note that, contrary to a widespread
idea, the central banks of Europe are, as a rule, not owned by the
governments. As a matter of fact, neither the English, French, nor
German Government owns any stock in the central bank of its country.
The Bank of England is run entirely as a private corporation, the
stockholders electing the board of directors, who rotate in holding
the presidency. In France the government appoints the governor and
some of the directors. In Germany the government appoints the
president and a supervisory board of five members, while the
stockholders elect the board of directors.”

And again, in his discussion of the Owen-Glass Bill, Mr. Warburg says:

“The Monetary Commission’s plan proceeded on the theory of the
Bank of England, which leaves the management entirely in the hands of
business men without giving the government any part in the management
or control. The strong argument in favor of this theory is that
central banking, like any other banking, is based on ‘sound credit,’
that the judging of credits is a matter of business which should be
left in the hands of business men, and that the government should be
kept out of business. . . . . The Owen-Glass Bill proceeds, in this
respect, more on the lines of the Banque de France and the German
Reichsbank, the presidents and boards of which are to a certain extent
appointed by the government. These central banks, while legally
private corporations, are semi-governmental organs inasmuch as they
are permitted to issue the notes of the nation—particularly where
there are elastic note issues, as in almost all countries except
England—and inasmuch as they are the custodians of practically the
entire metallic reserves of the country and the keepers of the
government funds. Moreover in questions of national policy the
government must rely on the willing and loyal co-operation of these
central organs.”

That is a very illuminating passage. It will be well worth the
reader’s time, especially the reader who has always been puzzled by
financial matters, to turn over in his mind the facts here given by a
great Jewish financial expert about the central bank idea. Observe the
phrases:

(a) “without giving the government any part in the management or
control.”

(b) “these central banks, while legally private
corporations . . . . are permitted to issue the notes of the nation.”

(c) “they are custodians of practically the entire metallic
reserves of the nation and the keepers of the government funds.”

(d) “in questions of national policy, the government must rely on
the willing and loyal co-operation of these central organs.”

It is not now a question whether these things are right or wrong; it
is merely a question of understanding that they constitute the fact.

It is specially notable that in paragraph (d) it is a fair deduction
that in questions of national policy, the government will simply have
to depend not only on the patriotism but also to an extent on the
permission and counsel of the financial organizations. That is a fair
interpretation: questions of national policy are, by this method,
rendered dependent upon the financial corporations.

Let that point be clear, quite regardless of the question whether or
not this is the way national policies should be determined.

Mr. Warburg said that he believed in a certain amount of government
control—but not too much. He said: “In strengthening the government
control, the Owen-Glass Bill therefore moved in the right direction;
but it went too far and fell into the other and even more dangerous
extreme.”

The “more dangerous extreme” was, of course, the larger measure of
government supervision provided for, and the establishment of a number
of Federal Reserve Banks out in the country.

Mr. Warburg had referred to this before; he had agreed to the larger
number only because it seemed to be an unavoidable political
concession. It has already been shown, by Professor Seligman, that Mr.
Warburg was alive to the necessity of veiling a little here and a
little there, and “putting on” a little yonder, for the sake of
conciliating a suspicious public. There was also the story of the
bartender and the cash register.

Mr. Warburg thinks he understands the psychology of America. In this
respect he reminds one of the reports of Mr. von Bernstorff and
Captain Boy-Ed of what the Americans were likely to do or not to do.
In the Political Science Quarterly of December, 1920, Mr. Warburg
tells how, on a then recent visit to Europe, he was asked by men of
all countries what the United States was going to do. He assured them
that America was a little tired just then, but that she would come
round all right. And then harking back to his efforts of placing his
monetary system on the Americans, he said:

“I asked them to be patient with us until after the election, and I
cited to them our experiences with monetary reform. I reminded them
how the Aldrich plan had failed because, at that time, a Republican
President had lost control of a Congress ruled by a Democratic
majority; how the Democrats in their platform damned this plan and any
central banking system; and how, once in full power, the National
Reserve Association was evolved, not to say camouflaged, by them into
the Federal Reserve System.”

Remembering this play before the public, and the play behind the
scenes, this “camouflaging,” as Mr. Warburg says, of one thing into
another, he undertook to assure his friends in Europe that regardless
of what the political platforms said, the United States would do
substantially what Europe hoped it would. Mr. Warburg’s basis for that
belief was, as he said, his experience with the way the central bank
idea went through in spite of the advertised objection of all parties.
He believes that with Americans it is possible to get what you want if
you just play the game skillfully. His experience with monetary reform
seems to have fathered that belief in him.

Politicians may be necessary pawns to play in the game, but as members
of the government Mr. Warburg does not want them in banking. They are
not bankers, he says; they don’t understand; banking is nothing for a
government man to meddle with. He may be good enough for the
Government of the United States; he is not good enough for banking.

“In our country,” says Mr. Warburg, referring to the United States,
“with every untrained amateur a candidate for any office, where
friendship or help in a presidential campaign, financial or political,
has always given a claim for political preferment, where the bids for
votes and public favor are ever present in the politician’s
mind, . . . . a direct government management, that is to say, a
political management, would prove fatal . . . . There can be no doubt
but that, as drawn at present (1913), with two cabinet officers
members of the Federal Reserve Board, and with the vast powers vested
in the latter, the Owen-Glass Bill would bring about direct government
management.”

And that, of course, in Mr. Warburg,s mind, is not only “dangerous,”
but “fatal.”

Mr. Warburg had almost his whole will in the matter. And what was the
result?

Turn to the testimony of Bernard M. Baruch, when he was examined with
reference to the charge that certain men close to President Wilson had
profited to the extent of $60,000,000 on stock market operations which
they entered into on the strength of advance information of what the
President was to say in his next war note—the famous “leak”
investigation, as it was called; one of the several investigations in
which Mr. Baruch was closely questioned.

In that investigation Mr. Baruch was laboring to show that he had not
been in telephone communication with Washington, especially with
certain men who were supposed to have shared the profits of the deals.
The time was December, 1916. Mr. Warburg was then safely settled on
the Federal Reserve Board, which he had kept quite safe from
Government intrusion.

The Chairman—“Of course the records of the telephone company here,
the slips, will show the persons with whom you talked.”

Mr. Baruch—“Do you wish me to say, sir? I will state who they
are.”

The Chairman—“Yes, I think you might.”

Mr. Baruch—“I called up two persons; one, Mr. Warburg, whom I did
not get, and one, Secretary McAdoo, whom I did get—both in reference
to the same matter. Would you like to know the matter?”

The Chairman—“Yes, I think it is fair that you should state it.”

Mr. Baruch—“I called up the Secretary, because someone suggested
to me—asked me to suggest an officer for the Federal Reserve Bank, and
I called him in reference to that, and discussed the matter with him,
I think, two or three times, but it was suggested to me that I make
the suggestion, and I did so.” (pp. 570-571)

Mr. Campbell—“Mr. Baruch, who asked you for a suggestion for an
appointee for the Federal Reserve Bank here?”

Mr. Baruch—“Mr. E. M. House.”

Mr. Campbell—“Did Mr. House tell you to call Mr. McAdoo up and
make the recommendation?”

Mr. Baruch—“I will tell you exactly how it occurred: Mr. House
called me up and said that there was a vacancy on the Federal Reserve
Board. and he said, ‘I don’t know anything about those fellows down
there, and I would like you to make a suggestion.’ And I suggested the
name, which he thought was a very good one, and he said to me, ‘I wish
you would call up the Secretary and tell him.’ I said, ‘I do not see
the necessity; I will tell you.’ ‘No,’ he said, ‘I would prefer you to
call him up.’” (p. 575)

There we have an example of the Federal Reserve “kept out of
politics,” kept away from government management which would not only
be “dangerous,” but “fatal.”

Barney Baruch, the New York stock plunger, who never owned a bank in
his life, was called up by Colonel E. M. House, the arch-politician of
the Wilson Administration, and thus the great Federal Reserve Board
was supplied another member.

A telephone call kept within a narrow Jewish circle and settled by a
word from one Jewish stock dealer—that, in a practical operation, was
Mr. Warburg’s great monetary reform. Mr. Baruch calling up Mr. Warburg
to give the name of the next appointee of the Federal Reserve Board,
and calling up Mr. McAdoo, secretary of the United States Treasury,
and set in motion to do it by Colonel E. M. House—is it any wonder the
Jewish mystery in the American war government grows more and more
amazing?

But, as Mr. Warburg has written—“friendship or help in a presidential
campaign, financial or political, has always given a claim to
political preferment.” And as Mr. Warburg urges, this is a country
“with every untrained amateur a candidate for office,” and naturally,
with such men comprising the government, they must be kept at a safe
distance from monetary affairs.

As if to illustrate the ignorance thus charged, along comes Mr.
Baruch, who quotes Colonel House as saying, “I don’t know anything
about those fellows down there and I would like you to make a
suggestion.” It is permissible to doubt that Mr. Baruch correctly
quotes Colonel House. It is permissible to doubt that all that Colonel
House confessed was his ignorance about “those fellows.” There was a
good understanding between these two men, too good an understanding
for the alleged telephone conversation to be taken strictly at its
face value. It is possibly quite true that Mr. House is not a
financier. Certainly, Mr. Wilson was not. In the long roll of
Presidents only a handful have been, and those who have been have been
regarded as most drastic in their proposals.

But this whole matter of ignorance, as charged by Mr. Warburg, sounds
like an echo of the Protocols:

“The administrators chosen by us from the masses will not be
persons trained for government, and consequently they will easily
become pawns in our game, played by our learned and talented
counsellors, specialists educated from early childhood to administer
world affairs.”

In the Twentieth Protocol, wherein the great financial plan of world
subversion and control is disclosed, there is another mention of the
rulers’ ignorance of financial problems.

It is a coincidence that, while he does not use the term “ignorance,”
Mr. Warburg is quite outspoken concerning the benighted state in which
he found this country, and he is also outspoken about the “untrained
amateurs” who are candidates for every office. These, he says, are not
fitted to take part in the control of monetary affairs. But Mr.
Warburg is. He says so. He admits that it was his ambition from the
moment he came here an alien Jewish-German banker, to change our
financial affairs more to his liking. More than that, he has
succeeded; he has succeeded, he himself says, more than most men do in
a lifetime; he has succeeded, Professor Seligman says, to such an
extent that throughout history the name of Paul M Warburg and that of
the Federal Reserve System shall be united.

[THE DEARBORN INDEPENDENT, issue of 2 July 1921]

[Jos Boersema]

On 2012-09-28, plainolamerican <plainol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to his own statements and the facts, Paul M. Warburg, a jew,
> set out to control the monetary system of the United States, and did
> so. He had the success which comes to few men, of coming an alien to
> the United States, connecting himself with the principal Jewish
> financial firm here, and immediately floating certain banking ideas
> which have been pushed and manipulated and variously adapted until
> they eventuated in what is known as the Federal Reserve System.
>
> When Professor Seligman wrote in the Proceedings of the Academy of

> Political Science that ?the Federal Reserve Act will be associated in
> history with the name of Paul M. Warburg,? a Jewish banker from

> Germany, he wrote the truth. But whether that association will be such
> as to bring the measure of renown which Professor Seligman implies,
> the future will reveal.
>
> What the people of the United States do not understand and never have
> understood is that while the Federal Reserve Act was governmental, the
> whole Federal Reserve System is private. It is an officially created
> private banking system.
>
> Examine the first thousand persons you meet on the street, and 999
> will tell you that the Federal Reserve System is a device whereby the
> United States Government went into the banking business for the
> benefit of the people. They have an idea that, like the Post Office
> and the Custom House, a Federal Reserve Bank is a part of the

> Government?s official machinery.

>
> It is natural to feel that this mistaken view has been encouraged by
> most of the men who are competent to write for the public on this
> question. Take up the standard encyclopedias, and while you will find
> no misstatements of fact in them, you will find no direct statement
> that the Federal Reserve System is a private banking system; the
> impression carried away by the lay reader is that it is a part of the
> Government.
>
> The Federal Reserve System is a system of private banks, the creation
> of a banking aristocracy within an already existing autocracy, whereby
> a great proportion of banking independence was lost, and whereby it
> was made possible for speculative financiers to centralize great sums
> of money for their own purposes, beneficial or not.
>
> That this System was useful in the artificial conditions created by war

> ?useful, that is, for a Government that cannot manage its own business

> and finances and, like a prodigal son, is always wanting money, and

> wanting it when it wants it?it has proved, either by reason of its

> inherent faults or by mishandling, its inadequacy to the problems of
> peace. It has sadly failed of its promise, and is now under serious
> question.
>

> Mr. Warburg?s scheme succeeded just in time to take care of war

> conditions, he was placed on the Federal Reserve Board in order to
> manage his system in practice, and though he was full of ideas then as
> to how banking could be assisted, he is disappointingly silent now as
> to how the people can be relieved.
>
> However, this is not a discussion of the Federal Reserve System.
> General condemnation of it would be stupid.

You make several grave mistakes:
1. You seem to suggest that the bulk of the problems now is to be blamed on
the U$A private central bank.
2. You seem to think that what one probably fake-Jewish person does can be
blamed on all the people in that nation.
3. You seem to think that the U$A private central bank comes about because
of one person.

1.
The article you quote above even sings the praises of the banking system
as it existed before the U$A private central bank. However in that
banking system you already have the root of the problem, of which the
private central bank is merely the crown jewel (heh) of corruption and
abusive greed. People are not supposed to even live merely by gambling
with money. But this seems to be impossible to explain to Europeans, who
I suspect in majority wish to neglect reason for the sake of becoming
a wealthy financier parasite one day themselves. For this reason the
Europe rooted peoples (among which the Americans) do not want to curb
the lending games that eventually destroy their economies. The people
may also lack the fundamental generosity to run a financial system
'themselves' in the form of solidarity funds to start up democratic
busineses. The whole 'way of life' of the Europe rooted peoples is wrong,
it is so extremely wrong that to tell them the truth they would think
you are insane.

2. That brings us to the roots of the problems: generalized greed
and the lust to exploit their brothers around them. This tendency is
no doubt present within the Jewish people as well. It may be more obvious
with the zionist conquest of the 'holy land,' where the worst elements
within Jewry seem to have conquested the 'holy land' in close cooperation
with the rich. The rich who are generally also the worst element in any
nation, because they are rich for greed and lack of generosity. The
avenues by which this greed is satisfied is often one of these:
- The control of large amounts land.
- The control of people who are organized for production.
- The control of money and lending.
- The control of the Government (law, law enforcement).
- The control over the superstitions of the people (such as the catholic
church and its great scams.)
The private central bank is a new level of corruption in 1913 in America.
However many other forms of corruption where already there, and those
made it possible that this new form of corruption could also take hold
(despite being illegal under the U$A Constitution, where the Congress
controls the value of money.)

Was land properly distributed to all in America before 1913 ? No. Abuses
with land ownership where at extremes in American short history, including
violent slavery of African people. The land was also usually conquested
through war and deceit (including the betrayel of treaties to live together)
from the native tribes who lived there.

Where the group production efforts run in an equitable fashion for all ?
There had been attempts to do this, where corporations could only exist
for the public interest and needed to be chartered. This was however
destroyed by the Rockefellers. However just because corporations where
officially public interest doesn't mean there wasn't an abusive society.
Society was abusive and anti-social, some work very hard others play the
boss and are rich.

Was investment and lending under control, done for the benefit of all ?
No. People where obsessively greedy, and probably still are today to the
same degree. Americans are still notoriously under-organized, and seem
to have (as they themselves say) corrupt labor unions; they can not even
keep those right. It is no surprise their society is ripped apart by
those who are able to centralize power. The 'money changers' are those
people, the lenders and investors. It is almost amuzing to note that the
Americans had a 'religion' pointing out the dangers of money investment.
But apparently living by their word is just not something they knew how to
do, as the native people will probably testify to. Pretence and greed is
more appealing, right ? How the hell do you think you end up in such
a mess (which is also true for the European peoples) ? One little corrupt
Jew comes along and wrecks your nation of law and brotherhood ? Of course
not.

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However from the Jewish side: they are also wrong. These ultra-rich
bankers should have been forced to lend without interest at least to
their own Jewish 'brothers and sisters.' Since there where enough of
them, these ultra-rich bankers would loose all their money quickly.
If they refused to do so, then the Jewish people should have thrown
them out of the nation - which they did not. Hence the guilt of this
Warburg character come over the Jewish people now, because they themselves
refuse to do the Torah law. You attack the Jewish people for causing the
private central bank of the U$A to occur, people who mostly have no idea
how banking even functions, people just as ignorant as the rest of the
peoples. I don't think that is a reasonable accusation, however reasonable
or not the Jewish people are bound to the Torah law.

They neglect that law. They neglect to banish people who betray the
lending laws of the Torah for example, or even worse who foment prosbul
and hetter iska games. Those (prosbul and hetter iska) are false laws
made up about 2000 years ago by the Jewish high court, just before the
Romans destroyed their nation. There Jewish lending games reach a peak
of corruption, just before their nation is destroyed. The result is that
the Jewish people no longer remove and cast out such characters as this
Warburg (which they should have, along with the treasonous Pharisees).

I'd say that is their guilt, their guilt is in breaking the Torah law.
That breaking results in yet more law breaking and getting implicated
in other crimes when for example this Warburg character assists corrupt
elements within the U$A to break the U$A Constitution; which had progressive
elements and was made worse. For a 'regular American' who doesn't even
want to properly reform their own economy, it is injust to blame the
Jewish people for this corrupt Warburg person, because he himself doesn't
even want to reform his own society (do you ? are you willing to give
everyone their free soil, to curtail the lending games and have group
production be run in for example the way the best indian tribes would
do it ?). The Americans are even more guilty then the Jewish people.

But all that doesn't matter, because the Jewish people are to keep to
teh Torah. They don't and thus they are guilty and will have to come up
for punishment. Oh lookie here, they have been in a bloody exile for
2000 years already, ongoing. Looks like their own G.d takes punishing
his own people rather seriously. Will that be over soon ? Oh no absolutely
not, the Jewish people have done probably worse then ever in the last
50 years compared to this whole exile now. It is worse then ever, reason
would dictate a punishment worse then ever as well.

> But it is bound to come up
> for discussion one day, and the discussion will become much freer when
> people understand that it is a system of privately owned banks, to
> which have been delegated certain extraordinary privileges, and that
> it has created a class system within the banking world which
> constitutes a new order.

Despite the bickering here (sorry about that), what we need to do is
formulate a program of reform and take down the banking industtry one
way or the other. It has been said there will one day have to be a war
between the people and the banks. This war the people must win, and it
has to culminate in the establishment of laws that are effective at
reducing economic exploitation and banking parasitism (including private
central banking).

Do not change that war into a useless bloodbath against the Jewish masses,
who are as clueless as most are, particularly on the issues of economics
(as evidenced by their own disastrous innovations, that primarely hurt
them, that completely destroyed their nation and lives for already 2000
years; they don't do something that extraordinarily stupid because they
know what they are doing, they do it because they are dumb and don't
care to think either).

The banks would love Americans to turn the war against the banks in general,
and the economic parasites in general into another useless bloodbath against
the ignorant Jewish masses. Don't fall into that trap, they may themselves
even have set it for you. Grasp the enemy by the throat: bad law, and the
banks themselves, whoever runs them it doesn't even matter; many certainly
are run not by Jewish people but by others. Here is a plan we could use
that I made: http://www.law4.org

> Mr. Warburg, it will be remembered, wanted only one central bank.

As far as I'm concerned this Warburg type was not Jewish, and should
posthumely be stripped of any Jewish claims. However that doesn't help
unless the Jewish people stop their money games.