Blues for Jews
John P David
Subject: Journal of a Jewish Fuehrer
Date: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:38 AM
On the day that I stood up to declare myself, I knew I was in for some
steep trouble. I well knew there would be but the merest minority who
would be fairly well aware of what such a thought experiment truly
amounted to, despite my outward claims that I was here to do exactly
what Hitler had done, only this time to the Gentile, not the Jew.
They were, or I should say "are" (since the experiment is still
ongoing, this being the journal of it) very few who can see the thing
as a bit, as street theater, something along the lines of what Jim
Morrison had begun in Miami, or what Rubin, Hoffman and Krassner were
pulling back in the Sixties of the former millennium, mainly to a
purpose of messing with people's minds to such an extent that it might
serve to get a person's consciousness pried open to a few thoughts that
might otherwise never have gotten in there. These thoughts, I may say, are
really quite simple and may be expressed, though not I would expect readily
understood, as this: Few Gentiles will ever be able to fully appreciate the
meaning of the Jewish Holocaust until a like holocaust has been brought in
horror to their own doors.
Note that I said, "few Gentiles" but I should amend that to say, "few
Gentiles and Jews"--and why would I include Jews in a category of
those who would need to comprehend a greater understanding of the
Holocaust? It's quite as simple as this: as a person, speaking of
myself, who is the issue of a Jewish father and a Gentile mother, I
hear from a majority of Jews that I am not to be regarded as a Jew.
Now when a Jew tells me such a thing, I am taught to understand what
it meant for a Jew of the Third Reich to be told that he was no
German. I have a concrete experience of knowing what discrimination
under a regime of such prejudice is like.
Do I have hostility against the manner of Jew who would deny my
ethnicity as a Jew on the basis of such an absurd custom, whereby the
son of a Jewish mother is received but not the son of a Jewish father?
Well, to use the term "hostility" would be misleading since it is the
sort of thing I can indulge should I care to, or not since hostility
must always come by deliberation. The feeling one has upon being told
by a Jew, "You are not a Jew" is anything but a sense of hostility.
What the feeling is, I will not confess to you. Rather, I will state
that as I deliberate over that feeling, I begin to feel robbed, and
then I am astonished. Like the character in the Stephen King prison
story, I feel myself being denied something owing to me by the warden,
as now I am in awe that anyone, or any group or nation of people could
possibly be so "obtuse".
The result has been to produce a decided coldness, a distinct lack of
pity and a disregard for the feelings of those Jews who have found it
so facile to play fast and loose with mine. So, the Jewish Fuehrer
Experiment arises to a purpose of accomplishing two ends which are
both with a mind toward Justice. Because of what is done to me *by*
Jews, I understand better than any son of a Jewish mother born after
the Holocaust what was done *to* Jews leading up to the smoke and
fires of Auschwitz. Better than most Jews, I know what being Jewish
means--when it comes as St. Paul has said to a "circumcision of the
heart." So, it is all a question of justice and injustice. I have a
duty, first to myself, but more to Jews not to permit Jews to act like
Nazis, as likewise, I have a duty to Nazis (whether they be Jew or
Gentile) to get their heads straightened out as to what evil they do,
and to Gentiles, I have the responsibility, as a Gentile, to show them
something very important about an image they have formed about Jews
which is horribly and dangerously false--that Jews are victims and
people to be pitied.
Yes, that pity is dangerous because it leads to a peculiar and
completely irrational expectation in the Gentile mind that a Jew
should act like a victim, that he should never step out of that role
and show himself for a fighter, because in doing that, according to
the expectations in this image, he behaves just like the beast who had
made of him a victim. So, it is unseemly for a Jew, in the least way,
to show himself for a brute, like me, a "Jewish Fuehrer" who walks
through the streets as I do in a black uniform with lightning bolts on
my epaulettes, and jack-boots, with a red and black Star of David
armband and a Sam Brown belt. In this get-up, I am an offense to
every sensibility both Jewish and Goyische. The very notion of such a
"Jewish Hitler" as I have been called will simply not be permitted to
exist. By the Gentile it is seen as an offense to Jews, as also this
is the case with many a Jew, but oddly enough, not by all--not by my
Jewish cadres who do indeed salute me as their Fuehrer, and shout
"Sieg Heil" in greeting both in person and at our rallies.
Those who are closest to me understand this for the game--howsoever
dangerous--that it is. Others take me quite seriously when I say that
it is fully my intention to come to power as the Prime Minister of
Israel and make War upon the entire Arab World, subjugate it to
Israeli rule until every vestige of Arab Terror in the world is
brought to an end, by whatever means this shall require. By this
process, Israel will be in control of most the world's oil resources
and Israel will be rich and powerful beyond imagination with a nuclear
arsenal greater than any in the world. The largest bulk of my
followers fully believe that my intention is indeed to do this, and
except that my true intentions are not successful, it may well be that
I shall have to make good on these "experimental goal-ideas" of mine.
First, however, it is of chief importance that I keep myself out of
the loony bin, and it is for this reason, that I must maintain an
impression with the media and officialdom that the whole mad thing is
just a joke, and something along the order of what someone like
"Marilyn Manson" would be trying to provoke; just a lot of plain utter
damned nonsense. It is for this reason that your friendly "Jewish
Fuehrer" is also a musician with a Rock n' Roll band altogether as bad
as that of Marilyn and others of the same stoned out ilk. I am no BB King,
put it that way, if you like, but I do at times find myself getting in touch
with what I flatter myself to think is something of a sensibility of soul
that I share with the foundation of feeling in true Negro Blues; we cover
old Grateful Dead tunes, some Buddy Holly, the Supremes, Martha and the
Vandellas and Elvis, a Billy Holiday tune or two, and when it comes to a
good old Grateful Dead favorite like *Dire Wolf* or *U.S. Blues*, a fair
number of Deadheads are much confused about it when it starts to sound like
the real thing (on a bad night), while yet, there are those others who
actually can catch the groove of it in any case, especially when the band
and I break into our notorious medley of "Turn on Your Lovelight/Havah
Nagilah/Hey La Luna Matsa Maria."
The name of our band is "Xyklon B" and I should not mislead anyone to
think that our concerts are not a great gas, since it is quite a rush
to look out there to see ten or twenty thousand people, all in black
or brown uniform, depending whether they are SS or SA, and everybody
is saluting with upraised arm, and shouting the Psalmist's benediction
"Selah!" Probably we have more Gentiles in our ranks, just at present
than Jews, but a fair number of the latter as well, for it indeed is
true--we are out to take over the world. Let there be no mistake
about that. And yes, we have had enough of the crap, as also it's
just the facts that I am a fascist.
What? Am I joking again, already?
Well, I mean--who's to say? That democracy has shown itself, in this
day of chaos to be reduced to nothing more than a state of glorified
mob rule, is just plain obvious. People tend to vote their fear before
they vote their courage, and so society is all trussed up behind
air-bags, seat-belts and smoker segregation. Democracy has run its
course, has turned inward against itself, and indeed, it has eaten
itself alive. There is now needed an era of return to a lost liberty
that was maintained in a society where those who knew what was good
for the majority had power over the majority, simply by virtue of the
fact that the majority didn't have either the means or the education
to get down to the polls. When Women's Suffrage came in, so did
hysteria and fear: it was no coincidence that Women's Suffrage came
hand in glove with the depredation of the Women's Temperance Union,
and hence Prohibition. When Prohibition was repealed, so also should a
woman's right to vote have gone the same way.
But, it didn't, and so, once again, Prohibition rules the land and no
man can light a cigar anywhere in public. It is a world in the
clutches of effeminate hysteria and fear, and when that is ruling the
day, courage, bravery, ambiance is all against the law. People clutch
on to their lives as if they thought they were going to live forever.
But they won't, they don't live forever, and all their pious dreams
about a Smoke-Free, Drug-Free future only remind me of Hitlerian
dreams of a Jew-Free future. So yes, I am a fascist who firmly
believes that the democratic ideal has gotten entirely out of hand to
become something far worse than fascism, which is again, the hysteria
of Mob Rule.
--
JPDavid long_go...@nobodyfeelsanypain.com
John's Joint:: http://jpdavid.freewebspace.com/
On-Line Novel, *Amador Green*, MP3's and Usenet Archive
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher
esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. --Friedrich
Nietzsche
"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of
tyranny over the mind of man." -- Thomas Jefferson
"I like Vincent because, like me, he has the habit of alienating almost
everyone he meets. --Toulouse Lautrec
amigocabal
John P David <dadd...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> From: "John P David" <dadd...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Journal of a Jewish Fuehrer
> Date: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:38 AM
>
Jim F.
> Subject: Journal of a Jewish Fuehrer
> Date: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:38 AM
>
>
> Note that I said, "few Gentiles" but I should amend that to say, "few
> Gentiles and Jews"--and why would I include Jews in a category of
> those who would need to comprehend a greater understanding of the
> Holocaust? It's quite as simple as this: as a person, speaking of
> myself, who is the issue of a Jewish father and a Gentile mother, I
> hear from a majority of Jews that I am not to be regarded as a Jew.
> Now when a Jew tells me such a thing, I am taught to understand what
> it meant for a Jew of the Third Reich to be told that he was no
> German.
Well if it makes you feel better, please note that Hitler would have
regarded you as a Jew (under the Nuremburg laws, a person was
Jewish if at least one grandparent was Jewish).
Jim F.
Paul Abeles
"Jim F." <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:aabifj$9cr7g$1...@ID-127596.news.dfncis.de...
Not quite correct Jim,
ARTICLE 5 (1) A Jew is an individual who is descended from at
least three grandparents who were, racially, full Jews...
(2) A Jew is also an individual who is descended from two
full-Jewish grandparents if:
(a) he was a member of the Jewish religious community when
this law was issued, or joined the community later;
(b) when the law was issued, he was married to a person who
was a Jew, or was subsequently married to a Jew;
(c) he is the issue from a marriage with a Jew, in the sense
of Section I, which was contracted after the coming into
effect of the Law for the Protection of German Blood and
Honor of September 15, 1935;
(d) he is the issue of an extramarital relationship with a
Jew, in the sense of Section I, and was born out of
wedlock after July 31, 1936.
kiz...@attbi.com
>
> [...]
Still as longwinded & boring as ever, I see...
Susan Cohen
"Jim F." wrote:
> "John P David" <dadd...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:aabaeq$jlb$1...@newsreader.mailgate.org...
> > From: "John P David" <dadd...@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Journal of a Jewish Fuehrer
> > Date: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:38 AM
> >
> >
>
> > Note that I said, "few Gentiles" but I should amend that to say, "few
> > Gentiles and Jews"--and why would I include Jews in a category of
> > those who would need to comprehend a greater understanding of the
> > Holocaust? It's quite as simple as this: as a person, speaking of
> > myself, who is the issue of a Jewish father and a Gentile mother, I
> > hear from a majority of Jews that I am not to be regarded as a Jew.
You wil hear no Jew tell you thatyou are a Jew, because even those who
think descent from the father means anything also insist hat you have to
actually live as a Jew to be sone. And you do not.
> > Now when a Jew tells me such a thing, I am taught to understand what
> > it meant for a Jew of the Third Reich to be told that he was no
> > German.
>
> Well if it makes you feel better, please note that Hitler would have
> regarded you as a Jew (under the Nuremburg laws, a person was
> Jewish if at least one grandparent was Jewish).
Which only makes the point of all Jews who tell him the truth -
that he is not a Jew.
The point is that JEWS make the rules for "Who is a Jew?" -
not Jew-haters.
This jerk does not iodentiy with the Jewish people the way the
assimilated Jews of Germany identified with being German, and his
dredging up the Holocaust to use it for his own sick ends proves it.
He's already on record as insisting that he's Jewish because St. Paul
says he is if he wants to be. Isn't that nice? What better way to
identify with Jews than to quote St. Paul at them.
Susan
cameron
I found myself a few weeks ago wondering what had happened to Mr.
David and unbelievably, here he is.
daddio - what happened with the NY Times writer who was interested in
your work? I guess it didn't pan out 'cuz here you are posting in what
you well know is a fairly hostile environment. I can only asume that
you like the abuse.
Reminds me of the joke about the sadist and masochist who got married,
thinking, hey, this is the perfect arrangement, y'know, I like to
receive what you dish out. So on the wedding night, the masochist, in
his most whiny voice begs the sadist, beat me, whip me, and the sadist
says, No. I didn't say it was a funny joke.
Anyway, I think the message is made clear as to why daddio has been
scarce these last couple of months - he weaves the autobiographical
stuff into the fiction - the "Jewish Fuehrer" states that he needs to
stay out of the loony bin, ahhh, there it is, it is a lament, that he
has not been able to stay out these last few months. And it would
take about the long in a ward for the chemically imbalanced to
recognize that it's better to be out and on medication that to be in.
Sorry to those who wish not to feed the trolls, but daddio is no
troll, just someone whose delusions of grandeur remain unabated by his
chemical cocktail.
Cheers (and welcome home John)
Joe Kohn
Just yesterday, I was contemplating becoming the world's first Jewish
Priest.
As a mid-50s single guy, I'm a little envious that those Catholic priests
are 'getting more' than I am, and that got me to thinking....
If I became a Jewish priest, I'd have a great pick-up line: "C'mere,
consenting adult female, wanna buy a piece of candy?"
Joe
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John P David
"cameron" <cpmi...@toad.net> wrote in message
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> "John P David" <dadd...@yahoo.com> wrote in message [ a whole buncha
stuff]
>
> I found myself a few weeks ago wondering what had happened to Mr.
> David and unbelievably, here he is.
>
> daddio - what happened with the NY Times writer who was interested in
> your work? I guess it didn't pan out 'cuz here you are posting in what
> you well know is a fairly hostile environment. I can only asume that
> you like the abuse.
>
Abuse? LOL. This, you call abuse? This I call just a good tickle fest.
You should understand, Cameron, that not all people are built alike. Some
people have a more virulent need of acceptance and approbation than others
and so those people will more readily fold themselves into what might be
perceived to be an acceptable mold, and they won't even know how they
compromise and limit themselves to do it. Then, once in a while, you get
people like me who have a solid enough sense of themselves within themselves
as not to need so much support of their existence from exterior sources.
Since I stand as a critic of the general state of man's squareness, then as
you can easily see, my rejection of that square, bourgeois majority is the
main thing floating my boat: I'm putting out little or nothing that seeks
after acceptance, as I'm the sort that expects quite to the contrary a
vehemence of rejection in return for rejection, attempted abuse in return
for a perceived abuse.
And all the time, my lad I am . . .
ROFLMAO.
So don't cry for me, Mr. and Ms. William Zantzinger. "Now ain't the time for
your tears."*
--
JPDavid long_go...@nobodyfeelsanypain.com
John's Joint:: http://jpdavid.freewebspace.com/
On-Line Novel, *Amador Green*, MP3's and Usenet Archive
"I like Vincent because, like me, he has the habit of alienating almost
everyone he meets. --Toulouse Lautrec
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher
esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. --Friedrich
Nietzsche
"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of
tyranny over the mind of man." -- Thomas Jefferson
*Dylan: Ballad of Hattie Carroll
Snorky The Inept
> least three grandparents who were, racially, full Jews...
> (2) A Jew is also an individual who is descended from two
> full-Jewish grandparents if:
> (a) he was a member of the Jewish religious community when
> this law was issued, or joined the community later;
> (b) when the law was issued, he was married to a person who
> was a Jew, or was subsequently married to a Jew;
> (c) he is the issue from a marriage with a Jew, in the sense
> of Section I, which was contracted after the coming into
> effect of the Law for the Protection of German Blood and
> Honor of September 15, 1935;
> (d) he is the issue of an extramarital relationship with a
> Jew, in the sense of Section I, and was born out of
> wedlock after July 31, 1936.
That's funny, I thought a Jew was a person who practiced the Jewish faith.
Silly me.
--
-Snorky the Inept
DEAD FREAKS UNITE
Who are you? Where are you?
How are you?
Cassandra~*
"Snorky The Inept" <hazel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:aacjhq$s2g$2...@bob.news.rcn.net...
LMAO! What were you thinking?
C~*
Susan Cohen
Snorky The Inept wrote:
What's even sillier is you taking a political statement for a religious one.
Of course, your definiton is incorrect for the religious definition, too,
but the information is freely available, if you want it.
Susan
Snorky The Inept
faith.
> >
> > Silly me.
>
> What's even sillier is you taking a political statement for a religious
one.
> Of course, your definiton is incorrect for the religious definition, too,
> but the information is freely available, if you want it.
Yes, please. Do pluck the scales from these benighted eyes.
Susan Cohen
Snorky The Inept wrote:
> > > That's funny, I thought a Jew was a person who practiced the Jewish
> faith.
> > >
> > > Silly me.
> >
> > What's even sillier is you taking a political statement for a religious
> one.
> > Of course, your definiton is incorrect for the religious definition, too,
> > but the information is freely available, if you want it.
>
> Yes, please. Do pluck the scales from these benighted eyes.
In as short a post as I can manage:
A Jew is someone who is
a) born of a Jewish mother
b) who converts.
This, of course, precludes the idea of it's being in any way racial,
as, if it were, one could not convert to it. It also precludes the idea
of being "half Jewish." One either is, or is not.
Now, a percentage of the American Reform accept the Jewishness
of the *father* as counting as well, but they tie it to an actual life
of Judaism (they say that in order to validate the father's lineage,
you have to *be* a Jew, not just say "Oh yeah, I'm Jewish.")
As far as it's being an "ethnicity", this is even less concrete,
as there are *many* ethnic groups under the "umbrella" of Judaism.
There are European Jews, Mediterranean Jews, Ethiopian - even
Chinese Jews. Oh, and Italians seem to be their own little ethnic
enclave :-). All these people not only have their own cuisine,
languages, but even minor religious variations (loosely translated
as "customs".) Adopting the culture of these people will no more
make you Jewish by itself than just showing up at a synagogue will
make you Jewish. You'd have to either be born one, or convert.
I'm sure to have left something out - someone's bound to leap up and yell :-)
Susan
BlackMonk
"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
news:3CCC17FB...@his.com...
>
>
> Snorky The Inept wrote:
>
> > > > That's funny, I thought a Jew was a person who practiced the Jewish
> > faith.
> > > >
> > > > Silly me.
> > >
> > > What's even sillier is you taking a political statement for a
religious
> > one.
> > > Of course, your definiton is incorrect for the religious definition,
too,
> > > but the information is freely available, if you want it.
> >
> > Yes, please. Do pluck the scales from these benighted eyes.
>
> In as short a post as I can manage:
>
> A Jew is someone who is
> a) born of a Jewish mother
> b) who converts.
>
> This, of course, precludes the idea of it's being in any way racial,
> as, if it were, one could not convert to it. It also precludes the idea
> of being "half Jewish." One either is, or is not.
>
> Now, a percentage of the American Reform accept the Jewishness
> of the *father* as counting as well, but they tie it to an actual life
> of Judaism (they say that in order to validate the father's lineage,
> you have to *be* a Jew, not just say "Oh yeah, I'm Jewish.")
>
To clarify a point (which I know you know, but for the benefit of others),
when Reform accepts Jewishness in that way, they're not saying you're Jewish
because you've inherited it from your father, they're saying you're Jewish
because you've already gone through a de facto conversion.
Susan Cohen
BlackMonk wrote:
> "Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
> news:3CCC17FB...@his.com...
> >
> > In as short a post as I can manage:
> >
> > A Jew is someone who is
> > a) born of a Jewish mother
> > b) who converts.
> >
> > This, of course, precludes the idea of it's being in any way racial,
> > as, if it were, one could not convert to it. It also precludes the idea
> > of being "half Jewish." One either is, or is not.
> >
> > Now, a percentage of the American Reform accept the Jewishness
> > of the *father* as counting as well, but they tie it to an actual life
> > of Judaism (they say that in order to validate the father's lineage,
> > you have to *be* a Jew, not just say "Oh yeah, I'm Jewish.")
> >
>
> To clarify a point (which I know you know, but for the benefit of others),
> when Reform accepts Jewishness in that way, they're not saying you're Jewish
> because you've inherited it from your father, they're saying you're Jewish
> because you've already gone through a de facto conversion.
Y'know, I honestly did not know this.
I honestly thought that they accepted the lineage of the father,
not because they counted it as a conversion.
Thanks!!
Susan
Snorky The Inept
Thank you both for clarifying the subject for me.
Susan Cohen
Snorky The Inept wrote:
My pleasure!
And I apologize for thinking you weren't serious about it.
Susan
Snorky The Inept
Hey, no problem. I admit that my first post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek,
but I'm always open to learning something new.
JC Martin
Jews are born Jews. Whether one practices it or not is irrelevant.
-JC
JC Martin
>
> "cameron" <cpmi...@toad.net> wrote in message
> news:eb22e017.0204...@posting.google.com...
> > "John P David" <dadd...@yahoo.com> wrote in message [ a whole buncha
> stuff]
> >
> > I found myself a few weeks ago wondering what had happened to Mr.
> > David and unbelievably, here he is.
> >
> > daddio - what happened with the NY Times writer who was interested in
> > your work? I guess it didn't pan out 'cuz here you are posting in what
> > you well know is a fairly hostile environment. I can only asume that
> > you like the abuse.
> >
>
> Abuse? LOL. This, you call abuse? This I call just a good tickle fest.
>
> You should understand, Cameron, that not all people are built alike. Some
> people have a more virulent need of acceptance and approbation than others
> and so those people will more readily fold themselves into what might be
> perceived to be an acceptable mold, and they won't even know how they
> compromise and limit themselves to do it. Then, once in a while, you get
> people like me who have a solid enough sense of themselves within
themselves
> as not to need so much support of their existence from exterior sources.
So why then do you post journal-styled writings so often? Seems to me that
you're seeking attention at least on some level.
-JC
Susan Cohen
JC Martin wrote:
> Jews are born Jews.
(Or they're converts)
Susan
John P David
"JC Martin" <subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> So why then do you post journal-styled writings so often? Seems to me
that
> you're seeking attention at least on some level.
Seeking attention and seeking acceptance are two entirely distinct
matters--neither of which are at issue, and you damned well know it. How
absurd that you should manage to avoid the realization that would be the
simplest and most easily accessible. Is it really the case that everyone
you know is motivated by such vain, meaningless, superficial and phony
purposes that the last thing you can intuit is the possibility of a sincere
intent to influence the opinions of others, to bring people around to
another way of thinking? And how dare you reduce that to such an empty
motive as attention-seeking?
Let's be clear: the stupidities and cruelties that we see being perpetrated
by people every day in this world, by the very people who inhabit every
cafe, street corner, front of battle, university, workplace, and Usenet
newsgroup, all these people who carry stupid, wrong, mean-spirited motives
and ideas damned well need to be identified and described, to have their
cruelties and stupidities pushed right back into their clueless faces. Now,
is that what you are going to sit there and call "attention seeking"?
Huh?
Are you really trying to suggest that it is somehow a hypocrisy, a
contradiction in terms for a person to state that acceptance is not what
he's after while he continues to present himself to the public--which is by
your definition an act of "attention-seeking"? Fine. If I am going to
present myself as an Israeli soldier to the enemy Arab on the front line of
battle, or if I am a line-man for the Dallas Cowboys facing off the San
Francisco Giants, do you imagine that I am there because I want "acceptance"
from those guys on the other side of the scrimmage or battle line?
I think there is something more than mere "acceptance" and
"attention-seeking" going on here.
Be certain that I am here to piss on "acceptance", as my desire for that is
nothing compared to my unrelenting need to spit on the things that I
identify as false, wrong, immoral, stupid, crazy, clueless, square, in bad
taste, cruel, sadistic, bigoted, superstitious and full of idolatry.
Attention? What is that? Do I get "attention" by giving some sadistic
bastard in the act of beating someone bloody a swift kick in the ass? Hey,
if that's "seeking attention" then buddy, you bet your bottom dollar it's
exactly what I'm after. But there was something more important to me than
the "attention" of that jock-rot in the brains sadistic bastard, and it was
an *intention* to stop him in the middle of his stupidity. And what if he
had been some Nazi in the streets of Berlin beating up on some little old
Jewish lady and I had put a bullet in his head for it? Did I get his
stinking "attention"? Was I looking for his "acceptance"?
That's what I'm doing here, and nothing less, virtually speaking. I am here
to put a virtual cyber-bullet in the head of every error, stupidity and
cruelty that continues to piss me off. Am I seeking "attention"?
Acceptance?
People who have nothing but those vanities to their intentions are rarely
found to be addressing matters of any true morality, sophistication or depth
around here as rather, they are just out there doing anything they can think
of to direct attention away from the important discussions to themselves,
most often by taking stupid, banal, clueless potshots at things about which
they have no opinion or knowledge whatever of their own. I find many
green-slime slavering Junk Yard Dogs of attention seekers out here in Usenet
who are almost never seen to introduce a unique topic of their own into any
forum. Every group on Usenet has these cockroaches hiding in the cracks,
and yes indeed, the place is crawling with such attention and acceptance
seekers. I am here to give them all the "attention" they are looking for.
I may even give them my acceptance, once they show me through the process of
battle in all the cyber-shooting, and the scream of all this digital
shrapnel ricocheting around here, that they can show me something that is
damned well worth my while.
And that's what.
--
JPDavid long_go...@nobodyfeelsanypain.com
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"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher
Susan Cohen
Wyle Coyote wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
> news:3CCCCC27...@his.com...
> >
> >
> > JC Martin wrote:
> >
> > > Jews are born Jews.
> >
> > (Or they're converts)
>
> I get it! Like one can convert to being black or baptist!
If this is what you get, then you do not get it.
> If your great great great great great...grandwhatever was black or
> baptist, than you are too by birthright.
You obviously are not a Baptist, that's for sure.
There isn't one who would agree withthat twaddle.
> Sorry, I"m not buying it.
Youwant to insist on ebing stupid, that's your problem.
But you do not get to determine for Jews
what constitutes Judaism or what makes someone a Jew.
> I suspect there's a race of people on the planet today who call themselves
> jews and are not.
I suspect that the tin foil under your colandar has more than a few tears in
it.
JC Martin
news:Ce5z8.16834$iJ....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
> x-no-archive: yes
> Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
> news:3CCCCC27...@his.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > Jews are born Jews.
> >
> > (Or they're converts)
>
> baptist, than you are too by birthright.
It doesn't matter whether or not you buy it. Your judgment means nothing
and given that you are ignorant of Judaism in general, why make such
judgments?
> I suspect there's a race of people on the planet today who call themselves
> jews and are not.
Big deal.
-JC
JC Martin
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Then how can you convert to being a jew if you were born one?
> I've been confused on this issue for years! Surely God would
> have made the heritage of the "chosen people" more clear than this!
> It's seriously starting to sound like another money scam too me!
Dude, like, read a book or something.
-JC
JC Martin
Well...yeah. So, the world is cruel, stupid, wrong, mean-spirited, etc.
It's been that way since the beginning of time friend. Animals are cruel.
Just watch a cat torture a rat to death and we see that this thread exists
and always will. Deal with it and your life will be easier. Trying to
control it is a self-destructive act. The fact is that you can't control it
and the reason you can't is simply because it is a part of nature and our
evolutionary process. Where this process leads we really don't know.
> Are you really trying to suggest that it is somehow a hypocrisy, a
> contradiction in terms for a person to state that acceptance is not what
> he's after while he continues to present himself to the public--which is
by
> your definition an act of "attention-seeking"? Fine. If I am going to
> present myself as an Israeli soldier to the enemy Arab on the front line
of
> battle, or if I am a line-man for the Dallas Cowboys facing off the San
> Francisco Giants, do you imagine that I am there because I want
"acceptance"
> from those guys on the other side of the scrimmage or battle line?
Well, actually, yes. All wars and battles are fought to establish
acceptance and respect.
<snip>
-JC
Susan Cohen
JC Martin wrote:
> "Wyle Coyote" <d@k.e> wrote in message
> news:Be5z8.16833$iJ.1...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
> > x-no-archive: yes
> >
> > Then how can you convert to being a jew if you were born one?
And did anyone say anything about this at all,
except this whacko?
> > I've been confused on this issue for years!
> Doesn;t surprise me - he sounds like someone who can be confused
about a *non* issue for muchlonger than years.
> Surely God would
> > have made the heritage of the "chosen people" more clear than this!
Yeah, just because he can;t figure it out, it's obviously not clear.
Riiight.
> > It's seriously starting to sound like another money scam too me!
>
> Dude, like, read a book or something.
Oh, no - don't tell him that! He'll run right out for the Protocols!!
(And I love the "money scam" crap. Because, of course, we
make money by being forbidden to proselytize...!)
Susan
torresD
"People are scared in this country [the US],
to say wrong is wrong because the
Jewish lobby is powerful - very powerful.
Well, so what? "
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,706911,00.html
Apartheid in the Holy Land
Desmond Tutu
Monday April 29, 2002
The Guardian
In our struggle against apartheid,
the great supporters were Jewish people.
They almost instinctively had to be on the
side of the disenfranchised,
of the voiceless ones,
fighting injustice,
oppression and evil.
I have continued to feel strongly with the Jews.
I am patron of a Holocaust centre in South Africa.
I believe Israel has a right to secure borders.
What is not so understandable, not justified,
is what it did to another people to guarantee
its existence.
I've been very deeply distressed in my visit
to the Holy Land; it reminded me so much
of what happened to us black people in South Africa.
I have seen the humiliation of the Palestinians
at checkpoints and roadblocks,
suffering like us when young
white police officers prevented
us from moving about.
On one of my visits to the Holy Land I drove
to a church with the Anglican bishop in Jerusalem.
I could hear tears in his voice
as he pointed to Jewish settlements.
I thought of the desire of Israelis for security.
But what of the Palestinians who
have lost their land and homes?
I have experienced Palestinians pointing
to what were their homes, now occupied
by Jewish Israelis.
I was walking with Canon Naim Ateek
(the head of the Sabeel Ecumenical Centre)
in Jerusalem.
He pointed and said:
"Our home was over there.
We were driven out of our home;
it is now occupied by Israeli Jews."
My heart aches.
I say why are our memories so short.
Have our Jewish sisters and
brothers forgotten their humiliation?
Have they forgotten the collective punishment,
the home demolitions, in their own history so soon?
Have they turned their backs on their
profound and noble religious traditions?
Have they forgotten that God cares
deeply about the downtrodden?
Israel will never get true security and
safety through oppressing another people.
A true peace can ultimately be built only on justice.
We condemn the violence of suicide bombers,
and we condemn the corruption of young minds
taught hatred;
but we also condemn the violence
of military incursions in the occupied lands,
and the inhumanity that won't let ambulances
reach the injured.
The military action of recent days,
I predict with certainty,
will not provide the security and peace
Israelis want; it will only intensify the hatred.
Israel has three options: revert to the previous
stalemated situation; exterminate all Palestinians;
or -
I hope - to strive for peace based on justice,
based on withdrawal from all the occupied
territories, and the establishment of a viable
Palestinian state on those territories side by
side with Israel, both with secure borders.
We in South Africa had a relatively peaceful transition.
If our madness could end as it did,
it must be possible to do the same
everywhere else in the world.
If peace could come to South Africa,
surely it can come to the Holy Land?
My brother Naim Ateek has said what we used to say:
"I am not pro- this people or that.
I am pro-justice, pro-freedom.
I am anti- injustice, anti-oppression."
But you know as well as I do that, somehow,
the Israeli government is placed on a pedestal
[in the US], and to criticise it is to be immediately
dubbed anti-semitic, as if the Palestinians
were not semitic.
I am not even anti-white,
despite the madness of that group.
And how did it come about that Israel was
collaborating with the apartheid government
on security measures?
People are scared in this country [the US],
to say wrong is wrong because the
Jewish lobby is powerful - very powerful.
Well, so what?
For goodness sake, this is God's world!
We live in a moral universe.
The apartheid government was very
powerful, but today it no longer exists.
Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic,
and Idi Amin were all powerful,
but in the end they bit the dust.
Injustice and oppression will never prevail.
Those who are powerful have to remember
the litmus test that God gives to the powerful:
what is your treatment of the poor,
the hungry, the voiceless?
And on the basis of that, God passes judgment.
We should put out a clarion call to the government
of the people of Israel, to the Palestinian people
and say: peace is possible, peace based on
justice is possible.
We will do all we can to assist you to
achieve this peace, because it is God's
dream, and you will be able to live amicably
together as sisters and brothers.
Desmond Tutu is the former Archbishop of Cape Town
and chairman of South Africa's truth and reconciliation
commission.
This address was given at a conference
on Ending the Occupation held in Boston,
Massachusetts, earlier this month.
A longer version appears in the current edition of Church Times.
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Jeff Kalish
> Then how can you convert to being a jew if you were born one?
> I've been confused on this issue for years! Surely God would
> have made the heritage of the "chosen people" more clear than this!
God made the heritage of the "chosen" people perfectly clear. The fact
that you don't understand (or refuse to understand) doesn't change that.
> It's seriously starting to sound like another money scam too me!
Think again.
> "I'm not really a coyote, I just play one on TV."
> --Wyle Coyote
To the best of my knowledge, there are two ways to be a Jew:
1. The person is born to a Jewish mother (or, in Reform Judaism, a Jewish
mother OR father).
2. The person converts to Judaism.
Peace,
Jeff
John P David
"JC Martin" <subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
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That's your pride talking, not your soul.
> So, the world is cruel, stupid, wrong, mean-spirited, etc.
> It's been that way since the beginning of time friend.
You presume to lecture ME on that subject, "friend".
LOL.
> Animals are cruel.
They know nothing but the pride of their dens, and their drive to dominance,
not unlike the person who now gives us this lecture.
> Just watch a cat torture a rat to death and we see that this thread exists
> and always will.
Is anyone taking notes?
> Deal with it and your life will be easier.
Ah. An "easy life" is the greatest good and the highest ideal, is it? Read
Barbara Branden's biography of Ayn Rand some time and find out how there is
nothing on earth like a fiercely *hard life* to build character and nobility
in a human being. A hard life is a good life, it is a strong life lived in
preparation for the battle against the stupid and the sadistic stuff of
man's pride which forces a hard life, unjustly on others. Yet, some like
Rand overcome it, but it takes something far greater than mere pride, it's
man's dignity, and that's another matter. Pride is the portrait of man in
the paint of a buffoon, a clown, but Dignity is a face that can be drawn
only in softer lines of pastel, when a truly human humility is an essential
part of the picture.
You make an entirely false presumption which is that your opponent here is
laboring under some sort of prideful Idealism that motivates me to think
there is something I can do or say to change things for the better, to
reduce the level of cruelty and sadism in the world? Not. There are no
rose-colored glasses on my face--no such snot of conceit in my nose. Such
notions of "change" are the mere egotisms and daydreams of liberals and
fascists. You need to see what a personal matter this is: What I like, I
like and what I despise, I fully detest, and I love to exercise my liberty
to openly and clearly despise what I detest and to tell those who stand for
the things I detest, that I despise their very eyes.
It's like sex, you see. It's something happening on the level of the purely
Dionysian level of the passions. I have no Apollonian dreams of
constructing rational programs for the betterment of mankind. I basically
piss on "mankind" because there is very little I have found that is
basically "kind" about Man. So, I recognize the existential condition of
man as being one of endless conflict, as by fighting well in the battle, one
finds one's comrades through the process of identifying one's enemies.
In the end, it's all about Love, then isn't it? Love in the midst of
battle. It's entirely sensual. It's great to locate one's comrades, few and
far between as they may be. It's like being a gold prospector, you may
search for years on end and never hit the real paydirt, but then one day . .
.
> Trying to
> control it is a self-destructive act.
You're whistling in the wind behind your false presumption.
> The fact is that you can't control it.
Whistle while you work,
Hitler was a jerk,
Mussolini pulled his weenie,
Now it doesn't work.
> and the reason you can't is simply because it is a part of nature and our
> evolutionary process.
When you are through preaching to me one of my own favorite sermons, maybe
someone will nudge me and I'll wake up?
>Where this process leads we really don't know.
We know the process damned well and good: it leads to Auschwitz and then
Armageddon in the end, in the day that Auschwitz begins to rear its
smokestack lightning into the sky again. It's always been quite clear to
any fully conscious individual where the animal cruelty of man leads and the
most ancient myths of man have taught that truth from the beginning, right
along with one other which is that there is nothing better or more rewarding
in life than the pure sensual pleasure that comes to a man who is fully
engaged in the battle against that which he hates--nothing but music, great
art and sex can in the least way equal it.
> > Are you really trying to suggest that it is somehow a hypocrisy, a
> > contradiction in terms for a person to state that acceptance is not
what
> > he's after while he continues to present himself to the public--which is
> by
> > your definition an act of "attention-seeking"? Fine. If I am going to
> > present myself as an Israeli soldier to the enemy Arab on the front line
> of
> > battle, or if I am a line-man for the Dallas Cowboys facing off the San
> > Francisco Giants, do you imagine that I am there because I want
> "acceptance"
> > from those guys on the other side of the scrimmage or battle line?
>
>
> Well, actually, yes.
> All wars and battles are fought to establish
> acceptance and respect.
Then you have merely usurped the ironically affirmative answer that I have
already given that question in the material that you have so conveniently
snipped, haven't you? It was this . . .
" Do I get "attention" by giving some sadistic bastard in the act of beating
someone bloody, a swift kick in the ass? Hey, if that's "seeking attention"
then buddy, you bet your bottom dollar it's exactly what I'm after. But
there was something more important to me than the "attention" of that
jock-rot in the brains sadistic bastard, and it was an *intention* to stop
him in the middle of his stupidity. "
Then on the other hand you ignore what that manner of ironic "attention and
acceptance" seeking came down to in this . . .
"And what if he had been some Nazi in the streets of Berlin beating up on
some little old Jewish lady and I had put a bullet in his head for it? Did
I get his stinking "attention"? Was I looking for his "acceptance"?
Now with all that being said and done, what do we find but that you are
simply a person of that all too common sort which will go to any length of
face-saving rhetoric to justify his initial misjudgment and errors of
perception. You insulted me, you bastard, by implying that the only
motivation I have in communicating my views is vanity.
So now let me tell you what a vain bastard you are: it's one thing to go to
great lengths by an attempt to mendaciously justify some error you make on
your own accord, to save your schtupping face--but it's quite another thing
when that error has been stated with respect to another person. It requires
a fair amount of humility to admit that you're wrong when you've been wrong
on your own accord, but when you've been wrong in regard to another, it
doesn't take a Buddhist Monk or even so much as a good Catholic to drum up
the meager amount of humility it takes to confess to such a simple sin as
that. In the first case, you have to admit that *you* were wrong, in the
second case you need only say, "Oh, okay, I see that *you* were not wrong,
and I really didn't see where you were coming from."
Your personal pride is way too God damn much in control of your existence,
"friend", and may I suggest that a *real* friend is the last thing on earth
you will know until you learn what an enemy of friendship pride like that
always is.
BlackMonk
"Wyle Coyote" <ei2@k.e> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
> >Jeff Kalish <JKAL...@email.mot.com> wrote in message
> news:3CCD9041...@email.mot.com...
> isn't a get into heaven free card! There are many
> practicing and non-practicing Jews that I'd have a
> hard time believing heaven would open its gates
> to, as they currently are(i.e. Hollywood?!?!).
>
> 2. If a birthright Jew practices Christianity, Islam
> or Satanism, Judaism are they Jews? I say yes.
> If a non-birthright Jew practices any of the 4 religions
> above they are classified as Chrisitans, Islamist, Satanist and
> Practicing Jews.
>
> So, who goes to heaven and who doesn't??? ;-)
We let God make that call.
>
>
Cat Protector
I am new to this newsgroup and a fellow Jew. I believe Israel is doing the
right thing by fighting back against the Palastinians. Plain and simple
Arafat is a terrorist and more or less the Hitler of today. He doesn't want
peace and that is obvious. The so called Palestinians are nothing but a
bunch of thugs similar to the Nazis of World War II. If you look at the
propoganda that Arafat and his cronies are putting out about Israel it is
similar to the Nazi campaign of glorifying the killing of Jews. It makes me
sick to know that he sends terrorists into homes and then tries to justify
the killing of Jews by blaming Israel. Israel is the victim here.
I am sure Arafat knew and cared very little that a bunch of Palastinian
(and pretty much Nazi) thugs entered a home and killed a 5 year old girl in
cold blood. How is Arafat going to justify that one. Most likely he'll blame
Israel and his reign of terror will not stop until he and the rest of the
Arab world (not blaming all Arabs just down in the region) are able to kill
off the Jews and take Israel for themselves. Arafat will lose however
because Israel is strong and with every act of terrorism he causes and
plans, Israel will retaliate and rightfully so. For every terrorist bomb
that kills us we become stronger and even more united in the fight for
freedom. Peace might not ever happen in the middle east but at least we can
all know Israel is fighting for it and thus Israel deserves the support of
every Jew and non-Jew who believes in this quest. Those who stand up against
terrorism shows that the white dove carrying that olive branch has a chance
to fly high and carry with it the message it stands for, peace.
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"Wyle Coyote" <ei2@k.e> wrote in message
> x-no-archive: yes
> BlackMonk <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:aake7g$bdsl0$1...@ID-133514.news.dfncis.de...
> how I said "I'd have a hard time believing heaven would
> open its gates to, as they currently are."? Because I don't
> know. I think they let a prostitute or an adulteress in last I
> heard.
>
>
*My* God lets everyone into heaven. I thought that God loved
unconditionally. I wouldn't want anything to do with a god that picks and
chooses the "chosen" ones.
Hey, and according to the Jehovah Witnesses who come to my house once a week
at the absolute worst times, they are "the chosen ones."
Seth Jackson
>One more point! Did'nt you post the following above????
>JC Martin wrote:
>
>""> Jews are born Jews.
>
>(Or they're converts)
>
>Susan ""
>
>Memory loss???
>
>It's either a birthright or a religion. If you claim it's both, regardless
>of if it's practiced I say that's bullshit!
Now, I see the problem. You have trouble with reading comprehension.
Do you understand the meaning of the word "or"?
- Seth Jackson
Songwriting & Music Business Info: http://www.sethjackson.net
Seth Jackson
<cassandraj...@alone.hotmail.com> wrote:
>*My* God lets everyone into heaven. I thought that God loved
>unconditionally. I wouldn't want anything to do with a god that picks and
>chooses the "chosen" ones.
>Hey, and according to the Jehovah Witnesses who come to my house once a week
>at the absolute worst times, they are "the chosen ones."
Most people misunderstand the meaning of the term "chosen people". It
doesn't mean that they were chosen for any special favors. It means
they were chosen to carry forth the word of God. It's a burden they
have been chosen to bear.
amigocabal
MERCILESS KILLER OF CHILDREN OF PALESTINE!
Cat Protector <catpro...@cox.net> wrote in message
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JC Martin
> >
> >
> > JC Martin wrote:
> >
> > > "Wyle Coyote" <d@k.e> wrote in message
> > > news:Be5z8.16833$iJ.1...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
> > > > x-no-archive: yes
> > > >
> > > > Then how can you convert to being a jew if you were born one?
> >
> > And did anyone say anything about this at all,
> > except this whacko?
>
> JC Martin wrote:
>
> ""> Jews are born Jews.
>
> (Or they're converts)
>
> Susan ""
>
> Memory loss???
>
> It's either a birthright or a religion. If you claim it's both,
regardless
> of if it's practiced I say that's bullshit!
So the history of the Jews and their writings magically transform just
because you say it's bullshit? Something tells me you're not that powerful.
> I ain't buying it!
> My mother said her grandmother told her on her(granny's) dying bed that
> they were jews.
> She say's it's a heritage.
> They didn't practice the religion nor do I!
> If I consider myself Jewish by birth, although I don't practice the
> religion,
>how can someone who
> isn't jewish by birth be considered a jew because of the religious
> practices.
Perhaps you should now begin the process of educatting yourself on your
heritage
The more conservative branches of Judaism, like Hasidic Jews I believe,
don't allow conversions.
>BULLSHIT!
> Judaism, IMO, is like christianity...a way of life.
Who care what your opinion is? Judaism is what it is. The religion doesn't
change because you look at it through the lens of Christianity.
>Not the last name, not
> the skin tone, not
> the size of your nose and the things that you wear. God forbid if Jesus
> judged one based on these
> things, as sooooo many "JEWS w/symbols, etc" have done towards me.
Now we get down to it. You have self-hatred. Your getting close to making
an anti-semetic statement right here.
> My
> mother says wear
> a Kai or Star of David or some other symbol. I say Why? So I can get the
> job because I'm jewish???
> BULLSHIT!!!!
Do you fucking get out man? Or are you just trolling? Have I been
suckered?
*LOL* Sheesh!
-JC
JC Martin
> *My* God lets everyone into heaven.
If the concept of a God does indeed exist, I doubt we get to choose the one
of our liking. That sounds a little ego-egocentric.
>I thought that God loved
> unconditionally.
That depends and isn't so neccessarily.
>I wouldn't want anything to do with a god that picks and
> chooses the "chosen" ones.
If there is a God, any God, I want something to do with him. It would be
foolish for me to tell a creator how to interpret life. Again, I think that
may be a little ego-centric on your part.
> Hey, and according to the Jehovah Witnesses who come to my house once a
week
> at the absolute worst times, they are "the chosen ones."
The Jews belief of themselves as the chosen people doesn't mean that they
believe non-Jews won't go to heaven. What it does mean is that Jews in
general feel a responsibility to lead all people of the world to a more
positive existence without the need to convert one over to their religion.
-JC
Cat Protector
people? Hmmm.. Palestine also does not even exist. Israel is the victim here
and thus must defend against these terrorists. That is right. Arafat and his
cronies are terrorists and thus must be dealt with severely. The so called
Palestinians are the ones going into crowded areas filled with Jewish people
with bombs strapped to their bodies and blowing them up. It is the so-called
Palestinians who are going door to door shooting innocent people like a 5
year old girl in cold blood. It is the so-called Palestinians with their
leader Arafat claim they want peace yet do nothing to stop their terrorist
activities. If anyone was close to Hitler it is Arafat. He is the one who
has planned the terrorist attacks on Jews and Israel and then plays the
victim when Israel attacks. Arafat is a coward who has never wanted peace.
He only wants Israel for himself and is this not what Hitler tried to do
during World War II? Hitler's goal was to take over the world and also
exterminate the Jews. This is what Arafat is attempting to do. What is worse
is that the Arab countries that support him never stepped up to offer him
and his fellow so-called Palestinian citizens a homeland. Why? Because they
want Israel for themselves. Israel is the Jewish homeland and it belongs to
the Jews and it is Israel and the Jews who want peace. Those who are smart
know Israel is the true victim here.
I do have a question for you though. If you are so anti-Israel why are you
even posting in an obvious Jewish newsgroup?
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Snorky The Inept
Educatting?
ROTFLMAO!
Your posts are always fun to read, J.C..
Toad The Dead Vegan
> You're wrong on both counts. The posters JC and Ms. Susan
> are lack the necessary skill to effectively communicate in
> writing.
No. The posters JC and Ms. Susan are have the necessary skill to
effectively communicate in writing.
You are lack the necessary skill.
TDV
amigocabal
Susan Cohen
Snorky The Inept wrote:
> > Perhaps you should now begin the process of educatting yourself
>
> Educatting?
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>
> Your posts are always fun to read, J.C..
(Ever hear of typos? I make them ALL the time...)
Susan
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you can't post in non-capital letters and can't leave out the swear words.
You have proven without a doubt there is un-intelligent life out there as
well.
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> SUCK PALESTINIAN COCK YOU MORON!
>
>
>
Susan Cohen
BlackMonk wrote:
> "Wyle Coyote" <ei2@k.e> wrote in message
> news:aShz8.17051$mF4....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> >
> > So, who goes to heaven and who doesn't??? ;-)
>
> We let God make that call.
We don't really have the same concept as they do, of course.
Susan
>
>
> >
> >
Susan Cohen
Seth Jackson wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:16:37 GMT, "Wyle Coyote" <ei2@k.e> wrote:
>
> >One more point! Did'nt you post the following above????
> >JC Martin wrote:
> >
> >""> Jews are born Jews.
> >
> >(Or they're converts)
> >
> >Susan ""
> >
> >Memory loss???
Gee, I suppose that's what you have.
Go check with a doctor.
> >It's either a birthright or a religion.
Because YOU say so??
ROTFLMHO!!!
> If you claim it's both, regardless
> >of if it's practiced I say that's bullshit!
And who gives a rat's ass what you say?
Oh *you*, I guess, and theother asylum inmates....
> Now, I see the problem. You have trouble with reading comprehension.
You noticed that, too, eh?
>
> Do you understand the meaning of the word "or"?
He's just trying to insist that Judaism has to be set up according
to his rules.
Susan
Susan Cohen
JC Martin wrote:
> Perhaps you should now begin the process of educatting yourself on your
> heritage
Please, he's not going to bother doing anything that will upset his
comfortable ignorance.
> The more conservative branches of Judaism, like Hasidic Jews I believe,
> don't allow conversions.
WHOA!! Absolutely not!
ALL Jews allow for conversions!!!
> >BULLSHIT!
> > Judaism, IMO, is like christianity...a way of life.
>
> Who care what your opinion is?
He keeps going on like this in several posts.
I figure it's a self-esteem problem.
Obviously, no one pays him any attention, so he
figures he'll become a god on Usenet.
> Judaism is what it is. The religion doesn't
> change because you look at it through the lens of Christianity.
>
> >Not the last name, not
> > the skin tone, not
> > the size of your nose and the things that you wear. God forbid if Jesus
> > judged one based on these
> > things, as sooooo many "JEWS w/symbols, etc" have done towards me.
>
> Now we get down to it. You have self-hatred. Your getting close to making
> an anti-semetic statement right here.
Too late.
> > My
> > mother says wear
> > a Kai or Star of David or some other symbol. I say Why? So I can get the
> > job because I'm jewish???
> > BULLSHIT!!!!
>
> Do you fucking get out man? Or are you just trolling? Have I been
> suckered?
> *LOL* Sheesh!
You'd be surprised how many rotten apples there are out there
who are exactly like this guy & no joke.
Susan
>
>
> -JC
Susan Cohen
Cassandra~* wrote:
> *My* God lets everyone into heaven. I thought that God loved
> unconditionally. I wouldn't want anything to do with a god that picks and
> chooses the "chosen" ones.
And you;re another one who needs to really look at
just what she's talking about, because this isn't how
it works at all.
> Hey, and according to the Jehovah Witnesses who come to my house once a week
> at the absolute worst times, they are "the chosen ones."
Hmm. I never let them talk far enough to let them tell me what
they think they are. I can't get over the arrogance of people who
insist everyone has to believe as they do to the point that they go
door to door to bother people about it.
BlackMonk
>
>
> Cassandra~* wrote:
>
> > *My* God lets everyone into heaven. I thought that God loved
> > unconditionally. I wouldn't want anything to do with a god that picks
and
> > chooses the "chosen" ones.
>
> And you;re another one who needs to really look at
> just what she's talking about, because this isn't how
> it works at all.
>
The part about God loving unconditionally sounds right. It's just that
loving someone and letting them get away with anything are two different
things.
Snorky The Inept
news:UUnz8.17782$mF4....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>
> Chai.
Isn't that a drink?
Snorky The Inept
> >
> > Educatting?
> >
> > ROTFLMAO!
> >
> > Your posts are always fun to read, J.C..
>
> (Ever hear of typos? I make them ALL the time...)
Yeah, but you aren't regularly subjected to J.C.'s particular brand of
nonsense. It is, in turns, tiresome and amusing.
Susan Cohen
Snorky The Inept wrote:
> > > > Perhaps you should now begin the process of educatting yourself
> > >
> > > Educatting?
> > >
> > > ROTFLMAO!
> > >
> > > Your posts are always fun to read, J.C..
> >
> > (Ever hear of typos? I make them ALL the time...)
>
> Yeah, but you aren't regularly subjected to J.C.'s particular brand of
> nonsense. It is, in turns, tiresome and amusing.
Hmm. I haven't read anything that fits that description yet....
Susan
Susan Cohen
BlackMonk wrote:
Look again. She's insisting that "chosen" means something that it doesn't.
Susan
JC Martin
"Snorky The Inept" <hazel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:aakv6b$153$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > Perhaps you should now begin the process of educatting yourself
>
> Educatting?
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>
> Your posts are always fun to read, J.C..
Typos amuse you that much son? *LOL* Okay mon, whatever moves your river.
-JC
JC Martin
> How so? How can I be anti-semitic when I'm a birthright Jew?
> Many birthright Jews are just that and that alone. Tinkling bells
> hollering:
> "Im a Jew. I'm a Jew" and wearing signs and symbols to prove it.
Wearing signs and symbols? Tinkling bells? I honestly thought you were
trolling at the end of your last post. You can't be serious. I live in the
Hollywood area and a few of my in-laws have worked or are working in the
entertainment business (not Jews BTW). There are no Jews wearing symbols
out here as far I can see. Sounds like some strange propaganda you've been
reading. Do you get out much? Seriously.
-JC
Snorky The Inept
> >
> > Educatting?
> >
> > ROTFLMAO!
> >
> > Your posts are always fun to read, J.C..
>
> Typos amuse you that much son? *LOL* Okay mon, whatever moves your
river.
No, J.C.. It's your foolishness that I get a kick out of.
Snorky The Inept
> > > >
> > > > Educatting?
> > > >
> > > > ROTFLMAO!
> > > >
> > > > Your posts are always fun to read, J.C..
> > >
> > > (Ever hear of typos? I make them ALL the time...)
> >
> > Yeah, but you aren't regularly subjected to J.C.'s particular brand of
> > nonsense. It is, in turns, tiresome and amusing.
>
> Hmm. I haven't read anything that fits that description yet....
Read rec.music.gdead for a couple of weeks.
BlackMonk
That's why I specificied which part I agreed with.
> Susan
>
>
Toad The Dead Vegan
> x-no-archive: yes
> Toad The Dead Vegan <Dav...@sprintmail.DLGDLV.com> wrote in message
> news:3CCE003D...@sprintmail.DLGDLV.com...
> > Wyle Coyote wrote:
> Who are you, the internet spelling and sentence structure monitor?
Yes.
> Harping on a word I neglected to delete. Class, real Class!
English class!
> What's imperative is that the message is understood, despite the
> typos or dangling terms. This wasn't the case for neither JC or Ms. S.
I don't think there's anything imperative about this thread.
TDV
Susan Cohen
BlackMonk wrote:
Ah. I thought maybe you just missed it!
I should have known better - my apologies!!
Susan
Cassandra~*
to respond to individually).
Point taken on the "chosen" discussion.
I just don't see why believing in God has to be so difficult. Why so many
rules to follow? Why so many different things to worship?
I believe in God, do I have to prove it to everyone? Or can I just have my
own relationship with God?
C~*
slenon
Jew who believes Jesus was the messiah.
Then you are a Christian with a Jewish cultural heritage. You are
professing belief in the primary tenet of Christianity and therefore have
identified yourself with one religious group and severed ties with an older
one.
>Jews who believe in Judaism don't believe Jesus was the messiah.
Jews, observant or non-observant don't believe Jesus to be the messiah. It
is possible for persons who spring from a Jewish heritage to quit the active
practice of religion and still retain the cultural practices and
associations that mark them as Jewish. The same is equally true for
Christians and followers of other faiths.
For religious purposes, a Jew is someone who was born into the faith or who
has undergone conversion. For purposes of bias, bigotry, hatred, and
persecution, many cultures have proclaimed differing standards.
Where would you care to be counted
--
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Susan Cohen
slenon wrote:
> >Why should I? I don't believe in or practice Judaism. I am a birthright
> Jew who believes Jesus was the messiah.
>
> Then you are a Christian with a Jewish cultural heritage.
Or, rathe, an apostate Jew.
> You are
> professing belief in the primary tenet of Christianity and therefore have
> identified yourself with one religious group and severed ties with an older
> one.
>
> >Jews who believe in Judaism don't believe Jesus was the messiah.
> Jews, observant or non-observant don't believe Jesus to be the messiah. It
> is possible for persons who spring from a Jewish heritage to quit the active
> practice of religion and still retain the cultural practices and
> associations that mark them as Jewish.
Actually, what they *do* has nothing to do with it.
> The same is equally true for
> Christians and followers of other faiths.
No, not at all!! They do not have the same rules as Judaism.
> For religious purposes, a Jew is someone who was born into the faith or who
> has undergone conversion.
Right.
> For purposes of bias, bigotry, hatred, and
> persecution, many cultures have proclaimed differing standards.
>
> Where would you care to be counted
I prefer to play by the rules, even if others don't.
Susan
Susan Cohen
Cassandra~* wrote:
> In response to all replies to my post, lots of good points, really (to many
> to respond to individually).
> Point taken on the "chosen" discussion.
>
> I just don't see why believing in God has to be so difficult.
I don't see it as difficult.
All I see as difficult is the reactions of others (this is not directed at
you!)
> Why so many
> rules to follow?
Because we blieve that G-d told us to follow certain rules.
> Why so many different things to worship?
Because not everyone agrees on what G-d is.
> I believe in God, do I have to prove it to everyone?
No. Certainly I would never insist that you do!
> Or can I just have my
> own relationship with God?
Why not?? I feel I do.
Susan
slenon
GARBAGE! The citizens of the world are complaining! Is this the way >we
lead the world to a more positive existence? Not to blame all, but...
And much of what I see non-Jewish entertainers, songwriters, musicians,
actors, and others produce and market is also of little value and does not
meet my tastes. It has nothing to do with their religion or lack of it, but
everything to do with the practice of marketing.
You're sounding rather like David Duke or Goebbels.
Brian Perry
> Are you really trying to suggest that it is somehow a hypocrisy, a
> contradiction in terms for a person to state that acceptance is not what
> he's after while he continues to present himself to the public--which is by
> your definition an act of "attention-seeking"? Fine. If I am going to
> present myself as an Israeli soldier to the enemy Arab on the front line of
> battle, or if I am a line-man for the Dallas Cowboys facing off the San
> Francisco Giants,
My, you do go on. By the way, the Giants play baseball, the Cowboys
football. Try to keep up.
--
Brian Perry
Coordinator of Undergraduate Advising
School of Management, Binghamton University
JC Martin
> > > > Perhaps you should now begin the process of educatting yourself
> > >
> > > Educatting?
> > >
> > > ROTFLMAO!
> > >
> > > Your posts are always fun to read, J.C..
> >
> > Typos amuse you that much son? *LOL* Okay mon, whatever moves your
> river.
>
> No, J.C.. It's your foolishness that I get a kick out of.
*LOL* Yeah, okay Mr. Inept.
-JC
JC Martin
> x-no-archive: yes
> JC Martin <subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:VUpz8.1101$Wd5....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> WOW! U snipped a hell of alot with no rebuttal or explanation.
> Are you so ignorant as to assume I meant "ALL JEWS"???
> Must I be THAT explicit???
> I've been all over Hollywood and New York and I've seen Jews in and out
> of the entertainment industry who proclaim their heritage verbally or via
> symbols.
> Are u saying a number of Jews don't wear Chai's, Yarmulke,
> Magen David, and Hamesh Hand's as jewelry or display Mezuzah's on their
door
> frames?
No, not in the entertainment industry. Give me an example please. Most
Jews in the industry aren't even practicing Jews.
-JC
JC Martin
> x-no-archive: yes> news:3CCE2540...@his.com...
> stating my conclusions, timestamped:
> 11:37, 1:16 & 8:08
> Is this a Jewish thing?
There's nothing comprehensive about your racist rants.
-JC
John P David
"Brian Perry" <bpe...@binghamton.edu> wrote in message
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> John P David wrote:
> > Are you really trying to suggest that it is somehow a hypocrisy, a
> > contradiction in terms for a person to state that acceptance is not
what
> > he's after while he continues to present himself to the public--which is
by
> > your definition an act of "attention-seeking"? Fine. If I am going to
> > present myself as an Israeli soldier to the enemy Arab on the front line
of
> > battle, or if I am a line-man for the Dallas Cowboys facing off the San
> > Francisco Giants,
>
> My, you do go on. By the way, the Giants play baseball, the Cowboys
> football.
Of course the Giants play baseball, but if I had written "The Forty-Niners"
what would be the point? I mean the question was as to whether the one team
was trying to "get the attention" of the other, right? Well there you are
then. I mean, if the Giants were to show up at the scrimmage line of the
Dallas Cowboys?
Besides, you can't hold a person responsible for something he writes after
midnight, after two packs of cigarettes, two gallons of coffee, an hour of
Stupid Human Tricks on Letterman.
Learn a little charity fer the crissake.
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"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher
esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. --Friedrich
Nietzsche
"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of
tyranny over the mind of man." -- Thomas Jefferson
"I like Vincent because, like me, he has the habit of alienating almost
everyone he meets. --Toulouse Lautrec
BlackMonk
"Wyle Coyote" <e5@i5.4> wrote in message
> >
> >
> > BlackMonk wrote:
> >
> > > "Wyle Coyote" <ei2@k.e> wrote in message
> > > news:aShz8.17051$mF4....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> > > >
> > > > So, who goes to heaven and who doesn't??? ;-)
> > >
> > > We let God make that call.
> >
> > We don't really have the same concept as they do, of course.
>
> Was that an actual attempt at ignorance or did it come naturally?
>
She's right, actually.
>
BlackMonk
day is rapidly receeding, there's always encroaching senility to worry
about.
> Susan
>
JC Martin
> x-no-archive: yes
> JC Martin <subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
be
> Jews, Streisand, Speilberg(I like these two), David Lee Roth, Liz Taylor,
> Marilyn Monroe, Arthur Miller, Howard Stern, Joan Rivers, Michael Landon,
> Goldie Hawn, Bette Midler, and many others I can't think of at this time
who,
> now I know you are going to argue this one, you know are Jews just by
looking at
> them. You can always spot a jew. Not always, but whether or not you
believe it
> it's true. Something about jews sets them apart, more often than not.
You know what? You are right! What was I thinking?
Later,
JC
Toad The Dead Vegan
> I wasn't speaking relatively.
Or coherently.
TDV
BlackMonk
"Wyle Coyote" <e5@i5.4> wrote in message
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> BlackMonk <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:aan1fi$cav0t$1...@ID-133514.news.dfncis.de...
>
>
Our concept of heaven is different from the Christian concept, though
probably not as different as our concept of hell.
I realize you're not necessarily a Christian, but unless you've practiced
and studied Judaism at some point in your life, your version of these
concepts probably owes more to Christianity than Judaism.
Susan Cohen
BlackMonk wrote:
Don't confuse him with facts - he's too busy being stupid.
Susan
>
> >
slenon
Jews in the industry aren't even practicing Jews.
> You need examples? Are you blind? Many in the industry have claimed to
beJews, Streisand, Speilberg(I like these two), David Lee Roth, Liz >Taylor,
Marilyn Monroe, Arthur Miller, Howard Stern, Joan Rivers, Michael Landon,
Goldie Hawn, Bette Midler, and many others I can't think of at >this time
who, now I know you are going to argue this one, you know are Jews just by
looking at them. You can always spot a jew. Not always, but >whether or
not you believe it it's true. Something about jews sets them apart, more
often than not.
To begin, how do you know which people in the entertainment industry are
observant Jews and which are not?
The second quoted paragraph, your response, sounds like centuries of
anti-Semitic propaganda. "You can tell a Jew by the following criteria:"
Take a look at what you've written. You claim Jewish heritage and then post
such dreck?
Susan Cohen
slenon wrote:
> >> No, not in the entertainment industry. Give me an example please. Most
> Jews in the industry aren't even practicing Jews.
>
> > You need examples? Are you blind? Many in the industry have claimed to
> beJews, Streisand, Speilberg(I like these two), David Lee Roth, Liz >Taylor,
> Marilyn Monroe, Arthur Miller, Howard Stern, Joan Rivers, Michael Landon,
> Goldie Hawn, Bette Midler, and many others I can't think of at >this time
> who, now I know you are going to argue this one, you know are Jews just by
> looking at them. You can always spot a jew. Not always, but >whether or
> not you believe it it's true. Something about jews sets them apart, more
> often than not.
>
> To begin, how do you know which people in the entertainment industry are
> observant Jews and which are not?
>
> The second quoted paragraph, your response, sounds like centuries of
> anti-Semitic propaganda. "You can tell a Jew by the following criteria:"
Yeah, and people like Sarah Michelle Gellar**, Natalie Portman,
Alicia Silverstone & Elvis all fall under such categories, don't they?
Oh, yes, and Anne Meara. One of my favorites.
> Take a look at what you've written. You claim Jewish heritage and then post
> such dreck?
>
Susan
** Sarah Michelle Gellar does not consider herself Jews, and by Jewish
law she is not. But bigots who insist hat Judaism is a race must consider
her Jewish by their own rules, or be exposed as the hypocrites they are.
JC Martin
> x-no-archive: yes
> slenon <sle...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:ZQxz8.144167$nc.19...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...
> > >Much of what I see Jews produce out of the entertainment industry is
FILTH!
> > GARBAGE! The citizens of the world are complaining! Is this the way
>we
> > lead the world to a more positive existence? Not to blame all, but...
> >
> > And much of what I see non-Jewish entertainers, songwriters, musicians,
> > actors, and others produce and market is also of little value and does
not
> > meet my tastes. It has nothing to do with their religion or lack of it,
but
> > everything to do with the practice of marketing.
> >
> > You're sounding rather like David Duke or Goebbels.
>
jews
> practicing or not. The media is a very powerful tool.
> I sound like David Duke? It is his kind that will use what Hollywood and
the
> Entertainment industry is pumping out against Jews. Jews are victims of
the
> Holocaust. Is everything much better now, so we are free to take it all
off, on
> stage, on TV, for the world to see? Sad, but people will use this against
Jews
> to do what Hitler did. The world is a very strange place. Those old ideas
are
> still lurking around and major wars or the like will have to occur before
they
> are stamped and destroyed for good. I just don't think it's entirely over
yet.
> In other words, Hollywood needs to clean up its act, for the sake of all.
Get this...there is no Jewish conspiracy. It's all in your paranoid, racist
mind.
-JC
slenon
been much mixture lately. I am aware the examples provided are Jewish
>and no I wouldn't know they were jewish by looking at them, but I would
know Bette Midler, Woody Allen, Steven Speilberg, etc.
Are you so incredibly foolish as to not be able to read what you are
writing and compare it to material from the propaganda put out by every hate
group that exists? Or are you perhaps just incapable of looking at the
world around you and seeing the truth. There is no Jewish physionomy, no
Jewish minimal IQ, no Jewish race. Jews exist in all colors, shapes,
degrees of intellect, and some are observant and others are not. We are not
all wealthy. We are not all in the entertainment, publishing, or banking
worlds.
Read for comprehension, not for self gratification.
xian
UZYz8.162181$nc.21...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com, "slenon"
<sle...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> I did say not always. Let me rephrase. You can often spot a jew. There's
> been much mixture lately. I am aware the examples provided are Jewish
>> and no I wouldn't know they were jewish by looking at them, but I would
> know Bette Midler, Woody Allen, Steven Speilberg, etc.
>
> Are you so incredibly foolish as to not be able to read what you are
> writing and compare it to material from the propaganda put out by every hate
> group that exists? Or are you perhaps just incapable of looking at the
> world around you and seeing the truth. There is no Jewish physionomy, no
> Jewish minimal IQ, no Jewish race. Jews exist in all colors, shapes,
> degrees of intellect, and some are observant and others are not. We are not
> all wealthy. We are not all in the entertainment, publishing, or banking
> worlds.
>
> Read for comprehension, not for self gratification.
>
Stev, maybe this guy has really good "jewdar" - you know like some people
are said to have "gaydar"?
I can usually spot the white people (but not always).
--xian
JC Martin
"Wyle Coyote" <e5@i5.4> wrote in message
> x-no-archive: yes
> JC Martin <subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
You're not very self-aware, are you? Singling out the Jews in Hollywood for
spreading filth around the world seems to make available the way your mind
works.
-JC
slenon
are said to have "gaydar"?
>I can usually spot the white people (but not always).
> --xian
You could be right, Xian! How could I have overlooked such an obvious
solution? On a good day, I can spot myself in the mirror.
JC Martin
> > >> No, not in the entertainment industry. Give me an example please.
Most
> > Jews in the industry aren't even practicing Jews.
> >
> > > You need examples? Are you blind? Many in the industry have claimed
to
> > beJews, Streisand, Speilberg(I like these two), David Lee Roth, Liz
>Taylor,
> > Marilyn Monroe, Arthur Miller, Howard Stern, Joan Rivers, Michael
Landon,
> > Goldie Hawn, Bette Midler, and many others I can't think of at >this
time
> > who, now I know you are going to argue this one, you know are Jews just
by
> > looking at them. You can always spot a jew. Not always, but >whether
or
> > not you believe it it's true. Something about jews sets them apart,
more
> > often than not.
> >
> > To begin, how do you know which people in the entertainment industry are
> > observant Jews and which are not?
>
> This ng is about Jewish culture, observant or not.
>
> > The second quoted paragraph, your response, sounds like centuries of
> > anti-Semitic propaganda. "You can tell a Jew by the following
criteria:"
> > Take a look at what you've written. You claim Jewish heritage and then
post
> > such dreck?
>
times
> when you can tell a person is Jewish just by looking at them???
> Take Howard Stern
Howard Stern's father is Jewish. Howard Stern is not ya num nut! Sheesh!
-JC
Susan Cohen
JC Martin wrote:
> "Wyle Coyote" <e5@i5.4> wrote in message
> news:q8Yz8.22224$mF4....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> > x-no-archive: yes
> > slenon <sle...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:LnSz8.365274$K52.59...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...
> > You can always spot a jew. Not always, but >whether
> or
> > > not you believe it it's true. Something about jews sets them apart,
> more
> > > often than not.
> > >
> > > To begin, how do you know which people in the entertainment industry are
> > > observant Jews and which are not?
> >
> > Did I say observant Jews or did I say Jews???
> > This ng is about Jewish culture, observant or not.
This is pretty funny, coming from an ignoarmus like this poster.
> > > The second quoted paragraph, your response, sounds like centuries of
> > > anti-Semitic propaganda. "You can tell a Jew by the following
> criteria:"
> > > Take a look at what you've written. You claim Jewish heritage and then
> post
> > > such dreck?
> >
> > I did state "Not always" and this is true. Are you saying there aren't
> times
> > when you can tell a person is Jewish just by looking at them???
> > Take Howard Stern
>
> Howard Stern's father is Jewish. Howard Stern is not ya num nut! Sheesh!
Actually, I think he is. But then again, there's people like
Alicia Silverstone, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Natalie Portman, Gwyneth
Paltrow........
You notice the bigots never mention them?
Susan
trippyna
Off topic, but are you the same Susan Cohen who sang w/ Solar Circus?
Susan Cohen
trippyna wrote:
> Off topic, but are you the same Susan Cohen who sang w/ Solar Circus?
I'd have to say "no" since I have no idea what Solar Circus is....
(Gee, if I did half the things people guessed I did on the 'net, I'd
have such a varied existence! I've been "identified" as a doctor,
a West Coast hournalist, a lawyer - wouldn't my parents be proud?)
Thanks for asking, tho', sorry to disappoint.
Susan
Dave
: From: "John P David" <dadd...@yahoo.com>
: Subject: Journal of a Jewish Fuehrer
: Date: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:38 AM
: On the day that I stood up to declare myself, I knew I was in for some
: steep trouble. I well knew there would be but the merest minority who
: would be fairly well aware of what such a thought experiment truly
: amounted to, despite my outward claims that I was here to do exactly
: what Hitler had done, only this time to the Gentile, not the Jew.
: They were, or I should say "are" (since the experiment is still
: ongoing, this being the journal of it) very few who can see the thing
: as a bit, as street theater, something along the lines of what Jim
: Morrison had begun in Miami, or what Rubin, Hoffman and Krassner were
: pulling back in the Sixties of the former millennium, mainly to a
: purpose of messing with people's minds to such an extent that it might
: serve to get a person's consciousness pried open to a few thoughts that
: might otherwise never have gotten in there. These thoughts, I may say, are
: really quite simple and may be expressed, though not I would expect readily
: understood, as this: Few Gentiles will ever be able to fully appreciate the
: meaning of the Jewish Holocaust until a like holocaust has been brought in
: horror to their own doors.
: Note that I said, "few Gentiles" but I should amend that to say, "few
: Gentiles and Jews"--and why would I include Jews in a category of
: those who would need to comprehend a greater understanding of the
: Holocaust? It's quite as simple as this: as a person, speaking of
: myself, who is the issue of a Jewish father and a Gentile mother, I
: hear from a majority of Jews that I am not to be regarded as a Jew.
: Now when a Jew tells me such a thing, I am taught to understand what
: it meant for a Jew of the Third Reich to be told that he was no
: German. I have a concrete experience of knowing what discrimination
: under a regime of such prejudice is like.
: Do I have hostility against the manner of Jew who would deny my
: ethnicity as a Jew on the basis of such an absurd custom, whereby the
: son of a Jewish mother is received but not the son of a Jewish father?
: Well, to use the term "hostility" would be misleading since it is the
: sort of thing I can indulge should I care to, or not since hostility
: must always come by deliberation. The feeling one has upon being told
: by a Jew, "You are not a Jew" is anything but a sense of hostility.
: What the feeling is, I will not confess to you. Rather, I will state
: that as I deliberate over that feeling, I begin to feel robbed, and
: then I am astonished. Like the character in the Stephen King prison
: story, I feel myself being denied something owing to me by the warden,
: as now I am in awe that anyone, or any group or nation of people could
: possibly be so "obtuse".
: The result has been to produce a decided coldness, a distinct lack of
: pity and a disregard for the feelings of those Jews who have found it
: so facile to play fast and loose with mine. So, the Jewish Fuehrer
: Experiment arises to a purpose of accomplishing two ends which are
: both with a mind toward Justice. Because of what is done to me *by*
: Jews, I understand better than any son of a Jewish mother born after
: the Holocaust what was done *to* Jews leading up to the smoke and
: fires of Auschwitz. Better than most Jews, I know what being Jewish
: means--when it comes as St. Paul has said to a "circumcision of the
: heart." So, it is all a question of justice and injustice. I have a
: duty, first to myself, but more to Jews not to permit Jews to act like
: Nazis, as likewise, I have a duty to Nazis (whether they be Jew or
: Gentile) to get their heads straightened out as to what evil they do,
: and to Gentiles, I have the responsibility, as a Gentile, to show them
: something very important about an image they have formed about Jews
: which is horribly and dangerously false--that Jews are victims and
: people to be pitied.
: Yes, that pity is dangerous because it leads to a peculiar and
: completely irrational expectation in the Gentile mind that a Jew
: should act like a victim, that he should never step out of that role
: and show himself for a fighter, because in doing that, according to
: the expectations in this image, he behaves just like the beast who had
: made of him a victim. So, it is unseemly for a Jew, in the least way,
: to show himself for a brute, like me, a "Jewish Fuehrer" who walks
: through the streets as I do in a black uniform with lightning bolts on
: my epaulettes, and jack-boots, with a red and black Star of David
: armband and a Sam Brown belt. In this get-up, I am an offense to
: every sensibility both Jewish and Goyische. The very notion of such a
: "Jewish Hitler" as I have been called will simply not be permitted to
: exist. By the Gentile it is seen as an offense to Jews, as also this
: is the case with many a Jew, but oddly enough, not by all--not by my
: Jewish cadres who do indeed salute me as their Fuehrer, and shout
: "Sieg Heil" in greeting both in person and at our rallies.
: Those who are closest to me understand this for the game--howsoever
: dangerous--that it is. Others take me quite seriously when I say that
: it is fully my intention to come to power as the Prime Minister of
: Israel and make War upon the entire Arab World, subjugate it to
: Israeli rule until every vestige of Arab Terror in the world is
: brought to an end, by whatever means this shall require. By this
: process, Israel will be in control of most the world's oil resources
: and Israel will be rich and powerful beyond imagination with a nuclear
: arsenal greater than any in the world. The largest bulk of my
: followers fully believe that my intention is indeed to do this, and
: except that my true intentions are not successful, it may well be that
: I shall have to make good on these "experimental goal-ideas" of mine.
: First, however, it is of chief importance that I keep myself out of
: the loony bin, and it is for this reason, that I must maintain an
: impression with the media and officialdom that the whole mad thing is
: just a joke, and something along the order of what someone like
: "Marilyn Manson" would be trying to provoke; just a lot of plain utter
: damned nonsense. It is for this reason that your friendly "Jewish
: Fuehrer" is also a musician with a Rock n' Roll band altogether as bad
: as that of Marilyn and others of the same stoned out ilk. I am no BB King,
: put it that way, if you like, but I do at times find myself getting in touch
: with what I flatter myself to think is something of a sensibility of soul
: that I share with the foundation of feeling in true Negro Blues; we cover
: old Grateful Dead tunes, some Buddy Holly, the Supremes, Martha and the
: Vandellas and Elvis, a Billy Holiday tune or two, and when it comes to a
: good old Grateful Dead favorite like *Dire Wolf* or *U.S. Blues*, a fair
: number of Deadheads are much confused about it when it starts to sound like
: the real thing (on a bad night), while yet, there are those others who
: actually can catch the groove of it in any case, especially when the band
: and I break into our notorious medley of "Turn on Your Lovelight/Havah
: Nagilah/Hey La Luna Matsa Maria."
: The name of our band is "Xyklon B" and I should not mislead anyone to
: think that our concerts are not a great gas, since it is quite a rush
: to look out there to see ten or twenty thousand people, all in black
: or brown uniform, depending whether they are SS or SA, and everybody
: is saluting with upraised arm, and shouting the Psalmist's benediction
: "Selah!" Probably we have more Gentiles in our ranks, just at present
: than Jews, but a fair number of the latter as well, for it indeed is
: true--we are out to take over the world. Let there be no mistake
: about that. And yes, we have had enough of the crap, as also it's
: just the facts that I am a fascist.
: What? Am I joking again, already?
: Well, I mean--who's to say? That democracy has shown itself, in this
: day of chaos to be reduced to nothing more than a state of glorified
: mob rule, is just plain obvious. People tend to vote their fear before
: they vote their courage, and so society is all trussed up behind
: air-bags, seat-belts and smoker segregation. Democracy has run its
: course, has turned inward against itself, and indeed, it has eaten
: itself alive. There is now needed an era of return to a lost liberty
: that was maintained in a society where those who knew what was good
: for the majority had power over the majority, simply by virtue of the
: fact that the majority didn't have either the means or the education
: to get down to the polls. When Women's Suffrage came in, so did
: hysteria and fear: it was no coincidence that Women's Suffrage came
: hand in glove with the depredation of the Women's Temperance Union,
: and hence Prohibition. When Prohibition was repealed, so also should a
: woman's right to vote have gone the same way.
: But, it didn't, and so, once again, Prohibition rules the land and no
: man can light a cigar anywhere in public. It is a world in the
: clutches of effeminate hysteria and fear, and when that is ruling the
: day, courage, bravery, ambiance is all against the law. People clutch
: on to their lives as if they thought they were going to live forever.
: But they won't, they don't live forever, and all their pious dreams
: about a Smoke-Free, Drug-Free future only remind me of Hitlerian
: dreams of a Jew-Free future. So yes, I am a fascist who firmly
: believes that the democratic ideal has gotten entirely out of hand to
: become something far worse than fascism, which is again, the hysteria
: of Mob Rule.
: --
: JPDavid long_go...@nobodyfeelsanypain.com
: John's Joint:: http://jpdavid.freewebspace.com/
: On-Line Novel, *Amador Green*, MP3's and Usenet Archive
: "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher
: esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. --Friedrich
: Nietzsche
: "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of
: tyranny over the mind of man." -- Thomas Jefferson
: "I like Vincent because, like me, he has the habit of alienating almost
: everyone he meets. --Toulouse Lautrec
--
Dave
: Wyle Coyote wrote:
: > Then how can you convert to being a jew if you were born one?
: > I've been confused on this issue for years! Surely God would
: > have made the heritage of the "chosen people" more clear than this!
: God made the heritage of the "chosen" people perfectly clear. The fact
: that you don't understand (or refuse to understand) doesn't change that.
: > It's seriously starting to sound like another money scam too me!
: Think again.
: > "I'm not really a coyote, I just play one on TV."
: > --Wyle Coyote
: To the best of my knowledge, there are two ways to be a Jew:
: 1. The person is born to a Jewish mother (or, in Reform Judaism, a Jewish
: mother OR father).
: 2. The person converts to Judaism.
But to be guaranteed admittance to Israel, one need only be the grandchild of
a jew ... since that was the criteria in Germany.
Then there's the question of: what about the daughter of a woman whose mother
was born jewish but then hid it away and stopped practicing for safety
reasons? Are all those cubans who attend mass but have jewish family names and
customs jewish?
I think the OP was trying to turn it into a religion vs. ethnicity argument.
One interesting note; there is a certain gene that only gets passed on from
mother to daughter. To date nothing analagous has been found in men.
[BTW -- Hi Jeff! Are you going to Jamgrass at Alpine? Still undecided.]
--
Colette (aka Morning Glories) "I'm not a jew; I just married one."
Reuven Singer
Whether you like it or not, by Jewish law, the child of a Jewish father and
a Gentile mother is not at all Jewish. There is no concept of being half-
Jewish according to Jewish law. Like any other Gentile, you have the
option of joining the Jewish people through a halachic conversion.
Larry R
the Mother converts in accordance with the sect the father belongs to, the
child is then considered Jewish.
ROOTS
"David Ehrens" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:Xns920BA3BB...@65.96.0.182...
> Reuven Singer <reuv...@netmedia.co.il> wrote in
> news:Xns920BE04BDD039r...@130.133.1.4:
>
> > Whether you like it or not, by Jewish law, the child of a
> > Jewish father and a Gentile mother is not at all Jewish.
>
> reflects an Orthodox and Conservative view, which is canonical
> Rabbinic Judaism, but is not necessarily the last word on
> things.
-mike-
> One interesting note; there is a certain gene that only gets passed on from
> mother to daughter. To date nothing analagous has been found in men.
How about the Y chromosome? It can be traced and
matched through a theoretically infinite series of
male descendants.
-m-
Susan Cohen
David Ehrens wrote:
> Reuven Singer <reuv...@netmedia.co.il> wrote in
> news:Xns920BE04BDD039r...@130.133.1.4:
>
> > Whether you like it or not, by Jewish law, the child of a
> > Jewish father and a Gentile mother is not at all Jewish.
>
> Reform Judaism takes another view, so the previous remark
> reflects an Orthodox and Conservative view, which is canonical
> Rabbinic Judaism, but is not necessarily the last word on
> things.
All of which is moot in the face of a poster who quotes St. Paul
of all people to insist that others recognize him as a Jew.
Susan
Susan Cohen
Dave wrote:
> Jeff Kalish (JKAL...@email.mot.com) wrote:
> : Wyle Coyote wrote:
>
> : > Then how can you convert to being a jew if you were born one?
> : > I've been confused on this issue for years! Surely God would
> : > have made the heritage of the "chosen people" more clear than this!
>
> : God made the heritage of the "chosen" people perfectly clear. The fact
> : that you don't understand (or refuse to understand) doesn't change that.
>
> : > It's seriously starting to sound like another money scam too me!
>
> : Think again.
>
> : > "I'm not really a coyote, I just play one on TV."
> : > --Wyle Coyote
>
> : To the best of my knowledge, there are two ways to be a Jew:
> : 1. The person is born to a Jewish mother (or, in Reform Judaism, a Jewish
> : mother OR father).
> : 2. The person converts to Judaism.
>
> But to be guaranteed admittance to Israel, one need only be the grandchild of
> a jew ... since that was the criteria in Germany.
Wrong, wrong on both counts.
a) One must either be from an unbroken maternal line, the professing Jew
of a Jewish father, or the spouse/child of such a person
b) it has less thannothing to do with nazi rules.
> Then there's the question of: what about the daughter of a woman whose mother
> was born jewish but then hid it away and stopped practicing for safety
> reasons? Are all those cubans who attend mass but have jewish family names and
> customs jewish?
Yep.
> I think the OP
Other Poster???
> was trying to turn it into a religion vs. ethnicity argument.
Could be - we get that a lot overhere.
> One interesting note; there is a certain gene that only gets passed on from
> mother to daughter. To date nothing analagous has been found in men.
If you say so ( never liked science *much*.....)
Susan
Adam Littman
>Dave wrote:
>> One interesting note; there is a certain gene that only gets passed on from
>> mother to daughter. To date nothing analagous has been found in men.
It isn't one particular gene. There are tiny symbiotic organisms that live in
the cells of every vertebrate (I am not sure about invertebrates and plants).
Called "mitochondria". They aid in respiration. They are passed from mother to
child (no room for them in a sperm cell). They have their own DNA.
>
>How about the Y chromosome? It can be traced and
>matched through a theoretically infinite series of
>male descendants.
Correct.
>-m-
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