Random Quotes from Norman Finkelstein
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“the wonder is that there are so few skeptics.”
“Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
Brooklyn can live in them"?
“Imagine the wailing accusations of hypocrisy in the US were Germany
to build a national museum in Berlin to commemorate not Nazi genocide
but US slavery or the extermination of the Native Indians".
“The paper was important as a political intervention because the
authors are squarely in the mainstream of academic life. The reason
they're getting a hearing now is because of the Iraq debacle.”
Michael Ragland
wrote:
> “the wonder is that there are so few skeptics.”
>
> “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
> hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
> Brooklyn can live in them"?
I've already stated I dont support settlement buiding in Jerusalem and
elsewhere which displaces Palestinians.
dsharavi
wrote:
> “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
> hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
> Brooklyn can live in them"?
Funkenshtein needs to prove that these "Palestinians" he's wailing
about have actually lived in Jerusalem "for hundreds of years" -- and
he can't, because they haven't. Funkenshtein needs to prove, as well,
that they're being evicted for "Jews from Brooklyn".
> “Imagine the wailing accusations of hypocrisy in the US were Germany
> to build a national museum in Berlin to commemorate not Nazi genocide
> but US slavery or the extermination of the Native Indians".
False analogy.
> “The paper was important as a political intervention because the
> authors are squarely in the mainstream of academic life.
Funkenshtein probably meant to say, "The paper was important as a
political INVENTION...."
HTH
Deborah
drahcir
>
> “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
> hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
> Brooklyn can live in them"?
Who's being evicted? Names? Dates? Reasons?
A Moose In Love
wrote:
> On Aug 19, 1:51 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > “the wonder is that there are so few skeptics.”
>
> > “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
> > hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
> > Brooklyn can live in them"?
>
> I've already stated I dont support settlement buiding in Jerusalem and
> elsewhere which displaces Palestinians.
>
>
Well well well. Ragland is trying to be fair. In this instance
anyway.
btw Holman, make sure you accuse me of being an illiterate because
'Well well well' isn't much of a sentence. It should read (as per A
Clockwork Orange), it should read: 'Welly Welly well well' or some
such truck.
>
>
>
> > “Imagine the wailing accusations of hypocrisy in the US were Germany
> > to build a national museum in Berlin to commemorate not Nazi genocide
> > but US slavery or the extermination of the Native Indians".
>
> > “The paper was important as a political intervention because the
> > authors are squarely in the mainstream of academic life. The reason
> > they're getting a hearing now is because of the Iraq debacle.”- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
L8 nuz
> On Aug 19, 1:51 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
> > hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
> > Brooklyn can live in them"?
>
> Who's being evicted? Names? Dates? Reasons?
what jews died in WWII? "Names? Dates? Reasons?"
coaste...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> On Aug 19, 1:51 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > “the wonder is that there are so few skeptics.”
>
> > “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
> > hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
> > Brooklyn can live in them"?
>
> I've already stated I dont support settlement buiding in Jerusalem and
> elsewhere which displaces Palestinians.
Then why don't you join us in the struggle against Israeli aggression
on the West Bank and in East Jerusalem?
coaste...@yahoo.com
> On Aug 18, 10:51 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
> > hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
> > Brooklyn can live in them"?
>
> Funkenshtein needs to prove that these "Palestinians" he's wailing
> about have actually lived in Jerusalem "for hundreds of years" -- and
> he can't, because they haven't. Funkenshtein needs to prove, as well,
> that they're being evicted for "Jews from Brooklyn".
That they're being evicted is obvious. That's the history of the West
Bank and Jerusalem. That Jews from Brooklyn are going there to take
their places is also obvious:
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>
> > “Imagine the wailing accusations of hypocrisy in the US were Germany
> > to build a national museum in Berlin to commemorate not Nazi genocide
> > but US slavery or the extermination of the Native Indians".
>
> False analogy.
A naked assertion. Argue it, sharavi.
>
> > “The paper was important as a political intervention because the
> > authors are squarely in the mainstream of academic life.
>
> Funkenshtein probably meant to say, "The paper was important as a
> political INVENTION...."
Frivolous, sharavi.
>
> HTH
>
> Deborah
coaste...@yahoo.com
> On Aug 19, 1:51 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > “the wonder is that there are so few skeptics.”
>
> > “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
> > hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
> > Brooklyn can live in them"?
>
> Who's being evicted? Names? Dates? Reasons?
>
protesters?
dsharavi
wrote:
> On Aug 19, 1:06 am, Michael Ragland <michaeleugeneragl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 19, 1:51 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > “the wonder is that there are so few skeptics.”
>
> > > “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
> > > hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
> > > Brooklyn can live in them"?
>
> > I've already stated I dont support settlement buiding in Jerusalem and
> > elsewhere which displaces Palestinians.
>
> Then why don't you join us in the struggle against Israeli aggression
> on the West Bank and in East Jerusalem?
Pretty amusing comment, coming from one whose notion of "struggle" is
sunning himself in his all-white Euro-Anglo enclave in Mexico, while
being waited on by Mexican servants.
Deborah
dsharavi
wrote:
Funkenshtein -- and HHW --need to prove that these "Palestinians"
they wail about have actually lived in Jerusalem "for hundreds of
years" -- and they can't, because they haven't. Funkenshtein --
and HHW -- need to prove, as well, that they're being evicted for
"Jews from Brooklyn". The long foregoing except from the El Al
site doesn't cut the mustard one jot.
> > > “Imagine the wailing accusations of hypocrisy in the US were Germany
> > > to build a national museum in Berlin to commemorate not Nazi genocide
> > > but US slavery or the extermination of the Native Indians".
> > False analogy.
> A naked assertion. Argue it, sharavi.
Having trouble figuring it out? Yes, indeedy, as much trouble as
trying to PROVE that any Pals have actually lived in Jerusalem "for
hundreds of years", and are now being forced to make room for "Jews
from Brooklyn".
> > > “The paper was important as a political intervention because the
> > > authors are squarely in the mainstream of academic life.
> > Funkenshtein probably meant to say, "The paper was important as a
> > political INVENTION...."
> Frivolous, sharavi.
Not as frivolous as your myriad ad homs, or your calling a "struggle"
your lolling about an all-white Anglo-Euro enclave in Mexico.
Your responses above indicate how desperate you really are.
HTH
Deborah
dsharavi
wrote:
> On Aug 19, 7:45 am, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Aug 19, 1:51 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > “the wonder is that there are so few skeptics.”
>
> > > “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
> > > hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
> > > Brooklyn can live in them"?
>
> > Who's being evicted? Names? Dates? Reasons?
>
> How 'bout photos of bulldozers at work surrounded by victims and
> protesters?
Photos can be doctored, something the Pals and they're supporters are
good at. How 'bout some names, dates, reasons?
Deborah
Doug
I know someone who asked Finkelstein about the deliberate,
systematic persecution of people of other faiths practiced in
the islamic countries of the Mid-East and Finkelstein's response
was: "I'm aware of no such persecution."
Neither are you I bet, because you're only interested in certain
types of persecution, in a certain place.
"icono...@yahoo.com" <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:68a2b594-32ff-459b...@q40g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
NefeshBarYochai
> Iconoarse,
>
> I know someone who asked Finkelstein about the deliberate,
> systematic persecution of people of other faiths practiced in
> the islamic countries of the Mid-East and Finkelstein's response
> was: "I'm aware of no such persecution."
>
> Neither are you I bet, because you're only interested in certain
> types of persecution, in a certain place.
Doug, when "iconocl...@yahoo.com" masturbates "iconocl...@yahoo.com"
persecutes "iconocl...@yahoo.com".
> "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
coaste...@yahoo.com
Ah, the charming Conchita and the wise Jaime take another low blow
from the racist Cannibal. If you don't have assistance at home and in
the garden it's because you can't afford it or, more likely, that you
have a rep and can find no one who will work for you. In the relevant
parts of Manhattan and Palm Beach, both Jewish ghettos, there are more
"servants" per block than there are owners, hypocrite, and most of
them are probably Hispanic.
HW
dsharavi
>>>>elsewhere which displaces Palestinians.
>>On Aug 19, 11:27 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>>Then why don't you join us in the struggle against Israeli aggression
>>>on the West Bank and in East Jerusalem?
>On Aug 19, 4:01 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>>Pretty amusing comment, coming from one whose notion of "struggle" is
>>sunning himself in his all-white Euro-Anglo enclave in Mexico, while
>>being waited on by Mexican servants.
On Aug 19, 8:22 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com"
<coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>Ah, the charming Conchita and the wise Jaime take another low blow
>from the racist Cannibal.
Howzat, Humper? It's YOU who referred condescendingly to your cook and
your manservant. No doubt, like your your fellow Anglos in your all-
white Mexican enclave, you too speak condescendingly of your "Mexican
neighbors".
>If you don't have assistance at home and in
>the garden it's because you can't afford it or, more likely, that you
>have a rep and can find no one who will work for you.
I like gardening, and I'm not so old that I need assistance with it.
>In the relevant
>parts of Manhattan and Palm Beach, both Jewish ghettos, there are more
>"servants" per block than there are owners, hypocrite, and most of
>them are probably Hispanic.
I don't live in Manhattan OR Palm Beach—and neither do you,
microbrain, so what's your condescending, hypocritical, and racist
remark about "most servants" in Manhattan and Palm Beach being
Hispanics? You're showing your desperation again, you know.
Deborah
drahcir
wrote:
Too fucking stupid to use google, eh?
Figures...
drahcir
>On Aug 19, 7:45 am, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 19, 1:51 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > “the wonder is that there are so few skeptics.”
>>
>> > “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
>> > hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
>> > Brooklyn can live in them"?
>>
>> Who's being evicted? Names? Dates? Reasons?
>>
>How 'bout photos of bulldozers at work surrounded by victims and
>protesters?
What a stupid reply! If I am renting an apartment in a building, and
that building is sold and the new owner decides he wants to raze it
and build a larger structure, I need to leave. Doesn't matter if there
are protestors or bulldozers. You're truly a moron, aren't you?
L8 nuz
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:45:05 -0700 (PDT), L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com>
it took me 2 seconds to google this, you fucken ape:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1Q1TSHB_enUS356US356&&sa=X&ei=be5uTJz4B5CisAO09IWRDg&ved=0CBwQBSgA&q=israeli+crimes&spell=1
dsharavi
What you got was a great slew of....nothing. Of course, nothing is
what suits your microbrain best.
Deborah
L8 nuz
any brain (whether micro or macro) is better than your no-brain stinky
carcass, you idiotic leech
drahcir
wrote:
>On Aug 20, 6:48 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
Of course your link mentions NOTHING about any arabs evicted from
their homes so that jews from Brooklyn can live in them. Nice try,
Einstein. I bet you really felt good there with your "fucken", though,
huh? You figured you had really scored with a brilliant
counterthrust. I bet it's tough for a moron such as you to vainly try
to appear intelligent in a publoic forum such as this. You're wasting
valuable neurons that you could be devoting to more important tasks,
such as learning to dress yourself.
Tell it like it is.
>
> - Show quoted text -
George Orwell: If you never allow the word OCCUPATION to be seen in an
American newspaper, that means the residents of Palestine aren't
occupied by Israel.
Tell it like it is.
L8 nuz
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:09:25 -0700 (PDT), L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 20, 6:48 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:45:05 -0700 (PDT), L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Aug 19, 5:45 am, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Aug 19, 1:51 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> > “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
> >> >> > hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
> >> >> > Brooklyn can live in them"?
>
> >> >> Who's being evicted? Names? Dates? Reasons?
>
> >> >what jews died in WWII? "Names? Dates? Reasons?"
>
> >> Too fucking stupid to use google, eh?
>
> >> Figures...
>
> >>http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/IY_HON_Welcome
>
> >it took me 2 seconds to google this, you fucken ape:
>
> Of course your link mentions NOTHING about any arabs evicted from
> their homes so that jews from Brooklyn can live in them. Nice try,
> Einstein. I bet you really felt good there with your "fucken", though,
> huh? You figured you had really scored with a brilliant
> counterthrust. I bet it's tough for a moron such as you to vainly try
> to appear intelligent in a publoic forum such as this. You're wasting
> valuable neurons that you could be devoting to more important tasks,
> such as learning to dress yourself.
fuck off you dirty whore! Whenever you'll enlist the 6M (or prove that
at least 0.001% of the talmudic number ever coughed in WWII) I'll take
another 2 seconds to google for you
L8 nuz
>
I’m going to play some Hold’em now, probably at Palms (lots of hotties
there ..). If I lose I’ll be ballistic tomorrow. If I win I’ll shit on
your lipstick just cuz u’re a cheap cunt, a disgusting Neanderthal,
and humiliating inferior vertebrates like you is (a healthy) part of
the evolution process on this stupid planet.
CUNTICA
"I’m going to play some Hold’em now, probably at Palms (lots of
hotties
...........................................". If I lose I’ll be
ballistic tomorrow", you've been a loser your whole life, why should
tomorrow be any different
......................you're just a punkass Euro - trash piece of
garbage, so piss off & be damn quick about it, mookie
Yup!
coaste...@yahoo.com
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:09:25 -0700 (PDT), L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 20, 6:48 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:45:05 -0700 (PDT), L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Aug 19, 5:45 am, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Aug 19, 1:51 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> > “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
> >> >> > hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
> >> >> > Brooklyn can live in them"?
>
> >> >> Who's being evicted? Names? Dates? Reasons?
>
> >> >what jews died in WWII? "Names? Dates? Reasons?"
>
> >> Too fucking stupid to use google, eh?
>
> >> Figures...
>
> >>http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/IY_HON_Welcome
>
> >it took me 2 seconds to google this, you fucken ape:
>
> Of course your link mentions NOTHING about any arabs evicted from
> their homes so that jews from Brooklyn can live in them. Nice try,
> Einstein. I bet you really felt good there with your "fucken", though,
> huh? You figured you had really scored with a brilliant
> counterthrust. I bet it's tough for a moron such as you to vainly try
> to appear intelligent in a publoic forum such as this. You're wasting
> valuable neurons that you could be devoting to more important tasks,
> such as learning to dress yourself.
Untie knot of Palestinian evictions
By James Carroll
February 22, 2010
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JERUSALEM
TODAY, AS on every Friday for months now, several hundred Israelis
gather here in Sheikh Jarrah, a neighborhood in Arab East Jerusalem,
to stand in vigil as a protest against the eviction of Palestinian
families from homes they have lived in for decades. In August, seven
families - about 50 people, including 35 children - were forced out of
their homes, and immediately replaced by eight families of Jewish
Israelis, members of extremist settler groups. The Palestinians have
been living in tents across the street from their house ever since.
Six other nearby families have received eviction notices.
Discuss
COMMENTS (82)
I spoke with one of the evicted fathers, Fouad Ghawi, who had lived in
the house since 1954, when he was 8. He and his family were
Palestinian refugees from Jaffa during the 1948 war, and his father
traded in his UN refugee card, which guaranteed him basic support, for
the right to move into the house the UN Relief and Works Agency and
Jordan were building on vacant land. In return for finishing the
house, the Ghwai family would get the legal deed. Three generations of
the Ghawi family had lived there ever since - until last August, when
an Israeli court ordered them out. They had no deed because, he told
me, “the Jordan government would not put it in our name until we had
proper plumbing, and then the 1967 war broke out.’’ Jordan’s authority
ended.
One of the organizers of the protest vigil, Zvi Benninga, a 24-year-
old Israeli medical student and Jerusalemite, told me, “It is so
blatant because they were expelled for a second time by Israel - first
in 1948, and now again.’’ The protest engages several critical issues.
The government evictions depend on cloudy questions of pre-1948
ownership rights which, in most of Israel, have been simply deleted.
Equivalent enforcement of “absentee property’’ laws elsewhere in
Israel would lead to evictions of tens of thousands of Jewish
Israelis. The evictions also raise the larger question of Israel’s
“creeping annexation’’ of East Jerusalem, not only through the
expansion of settlements, which Benjamin Netanyahu, defying President
Obama, refuses to freeze, but also through legally dubious removal of
Palestinians from other Jerusalem neighborhoods like Silwan, just down
the slope from the old city. That other key Arab neighborhoods, like
Abu Dis, have been cut off from Jerusalem by the so-called “security
barrier’’ points to the even larger question - whether, as far as the
current Israeli government is concerned, the hard-won consensus that
the promised Palestinian state would have its capital in East
Jerusalem no longer applies. “This will stop any peace agreement,’’
Benninga told me.
The weekly demonstrations are being led by younger Israelis, although
veterans of the Israeli peace camp have shown up, too - including
prominent figures like the novelist David Grossman, the philosopher
Moshe Halbertal, and the literary critic Sidra DeKoven Ezrahi. “J
Street,’’ the American Jewish lobbying group, has sent a petition of
support signed by 10,000 Americans. Today, Avrum Burg, the former
speaker of the Israeli Knesset, is here to support the evicted
families. When I asked him what the vigil meant, he said, “This is an
iconic group. Intellectuals, blue collar people, Jews, Arabs, old,
young - representing thousands of people. This is a permanent
reality.’’
Untie this knot in the nearly hopeless Israeli-Palestinian tangle and
many others could be untied as well. The demonstrators are not
interested in being valorized as champions of a vibrant Israeli
democracy. Instead, they look to be bolstered by the broader world
against the once-marginal figures who have more and more power in
Israel. (The foreign ministry is headed by the far-right Avigdor
Lieberman. This week, his deputy snubbed five US congressmen,
including William Delahunt of Massachusetts, while Tzipi Livni, the
opposition leader, warned “The Jewish state has been taken hostage by
the ultra-orthodox parties.’’) A critical stage has been reached, with
the government-encouraged status quo showing up as disaster in the
making, as much for Israel as for Palestine.
Jamalat Ghawi, a mother of four, told me from her place in the ad hoc
tent across the street from her house, “I feel frustration and anger,
and worry for my children. They dream of their house at night. They
are terrified. They have no idea where they are going.’’ Today, they
are not alone.
James Carroll’s column appears frequently in the Globe.
drahcir
wrote:
>On Aug 20, 8:12 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
HEAVENS!! The moron told me off!! I'm devastated!!
Whenever you'll enlist the 6M (or prove that
>at least 0.001% of the talmudic number ever coughed in WWII) I'll take
>another 2 seconds to google for you
Another waste of protoplasm.
drahcir
wrote:
>On Aug 20, 8:12 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
You don't stand a chance at holdem, moron. Try the slots - much more
suited to IQ's below 80 such as yours.
drahcir
Typical HHW uncited blogshit below. Understand something, H. Israel is
a land of laws. People do not get evicted willynilly. You know that,
yet you post uncited crap like the below. That makes you a liar,
doesn't it?
drahcir
Yes, that's very nice, psycho. Now be a good boy and go sit quietly
and watch your shows.
L8 nuz
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 22:40:24 -0700 (PDT), L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com>
>
> Try the slots -
I'll "try" different ovens on you, you fucken stinky apes
CUNTICA
ovens on you, you fucken stinky apes", you can't even beat yourself
off, limp dick!
drahcir
wrote:
>On Aug 21, 5:42 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
When I encounter creatures such as you, the first thing that crosses
my mind is, what was his mother like?
L8 nuz
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:58:19 -0700 (PDT), L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Aug 21, 5:42 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 22:40:24 -0700 (PDT), L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com>
>
> >> Try the slots -
>
> >I'll "try" different ovens on you, you fucken stinky apes
>
> When I encounter creatures such as you, the first thing that crosses
> my mind is, what was his mother like?
funny in-off, since “When I encounter creatures such as you” I can’t
but acclaim the oven industry …
coaste...@yahoo.com
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 00:33:46 -0700 (PDT), "iconocl...@yahoo.com"
It's the Boston Globe, Missey Ratner. It's your home town newspaper.
And Israel is a land of clever dictats and ukazes so far as
Palestinians are concerned, but not a land of human and civil rights.
Israel is an aggressor nation, a criminal state. So what does that
make you but an amoral apologist for aggression and criminality.
Tell it like it is.
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DRAHCIR,
Your ad hominems AGAINST ICONOCLAST would lead people to believe you
are refering to yourself: PSYCHO JEW.
Tell it like it is.
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:58:19 -0700 (PDT), L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Aug 21, 5:42 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 22:40:24 -0700 (PDT), L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com>
>
> >> Try the slots -
>
> >I'll "try" different ovens on you, you fucken stinky apes
>
> When I encounter creatures such as you, the first thing that crosses
> my mind is, what was his mother like?
At least I had a mother.
You're ad hominems are like a pack of dogs running down a pregnant
deer.
A Moose In Love
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 22:40:24 -0700 (PDT), L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com>
you should pitch pennies if you even know what that is you pathetic
loser. afraid of losing your days pay of 50 cents?
A Moose In Love
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 00:33:46 -0700 (PDT), "iconocl...@yahoo.com"
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What does that mean 'a land of laws'? Who's laws? There is no
country that governs by the rule of law. They all govern by the rule
of man and pretend that they govern by the rule of law. Law begins
with natural law. Read up on natural law to understand what law is.
It is not the law of the jungle which many people think. It is
basically a live and let live system of law.
A Moose In Love
This is a big problem in gambling. It is known as the losing streak.
It upsets the psychology of some players. Losing if you have a
successful techique/system is part of the game. Now L8, you said that
you can't make money playing horses.
I beg to differ. I have a record of 112 races. I've won 32% of
them(on paper), but at better odds than chalk on average, so it puts
me in the winners circle. Note that I have handicapped all races
prior to them being run. My return is 30%. This means that for every
dollar I invest, I get a 30 cent profit. Or let's say that if I bet
$1,000 on a certain day; betting let's say $100 per race; 10 races,
that I will on average return a profit of $300. Some days I will
lose. Most days I will win. But what bugs me is the number of losses
in a row. There is one instance over 112 races where I have 10 losses
in a row. I tend to have 5 losses in a row sometimes. Now I find
this to be very unappealing. It depresses me to sit there and take
loss after loss after loss. Anyway, I'm going to make sure to have
about 300 races on paper before I start betting for real. But it is
psychologically disturbing to take losses. And N8, remember you're
not supposed to go on TILT! What's wrong with your game that you are
disillusioned? Poker is against people. Some people shove all in pre-
flop with KJ and win. Play good poker. I don't know. I can't give
you much advice but maybe you should read Gus Hanson's book. He goes
into detail his thinking while he was in a tournament (hold-em). I
like the book. One thing that I do when I play poker is to call every
time when I am one off the button. When I win, people think I've
played loose; when in reality I haven't. Good luck and may your Gods
be with you.
Doug
news:354b8d8c-3318-474f...@h19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
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I thought your mother was a goat?
dsharavi
>>>>their homes so that jews from Brooklyn can live in them. Nice try,
>>>>Einstein. I bet you really felt good there with your "fucken", though,
>>>>huh? You figured you had really scored with a brilliant
>>>>counterthrust. I bet it's tough for a moron such as you to vainly try
>>>>to appear intelligent in a publoic forum such as this. You're wasting
>>>>valuable neurons that you could be devoting to more important tasks,
>>>>such as learning to dress yourself.
>On Aug 21, 7:45 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com>wrote:
>>Typical HHW uncited blogshit below. Understand something, H. Israel is
>>a land of laws. People do not get evicted willynilly. You know that,
>>yet you post uncited crap like the below. That makes you a liar,
>>doesn't it?
On Aug 21, 3:09 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com"
<coaster132...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>It's the Boston Globe, Missey Ratner. It's your hometown newspaper.
And in the WALL STREET JOURNAL is the opinion of Dr Peter Novick,
Funkenstein's mentor, on Funkenstein's holocaust industry:
"No facts alleged by Finkelstein should be assumed to be really facts,
no quotation in his book should be assumed to be accurate, without
taking the time to carefully compare his claims with the sources he
cites. [S]uch an examination reveals that many of [Finkelstein's]
assertions are pure invention."
Peter Novick, University of Chicago, "Finkelstein's Bigotry," Wall
Street Journal, May 4, 2007, p A15
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And in HAARETZ is a review of Funkenstein's Holocaust Industry:
“Finkelstein claims that 130,000 copies were sold in the first four
weeks after the book's German-language translation arrived in the
bookshops. For comparison's sake, after nine months on sale in the
U.S. and Britain, "The Holocaust Industry" notched sales of 18,000 and
12,000, respectively.”
...
“Finkelstein claims that the interest in the Holocaust by the Jewish-
American establishment dates only to the aftermath of the Six-Day War,
and in any case is not rooted in authentic Jewish motives, but from
the Jewish establishment's collaboration with the interests of the
American administration.”
...
“Finkelstein mentions Novick as having influenced his own writings.
“But Novick is not at all pleased to be on the receiving end of
Finkelstein's bear hug. He wrote an article about Finkelstein's book
for the German newspaper Die Welt, which was entitled "Hate Campaign
of a Zealot." In an interview with a Polish newspaper, Novick stated
that Finkelstein is distorting the facts, was anti-Zionist and
"displays a paranoid belief in some sort of global conspiracy of the
Jewish elites in the U.S."
….
"The most conspicuous fact in the book is the hatred," says David
Witztum... the first member of the press in Israel to interview
Finkelstein. "Hatred for every establishment Jewish organization, be
it the State of Israel or the Jewish establishment in the United
States."
"This is not research; it isn't even political literature," says Prof.
Israel Guttman, formerly the chief historian of Yad Vashem. "This is a
lampoon, which takes a serious subject and distorts it for improper
purposes. I don't even think it should be reviewed or critiqued as a
legitimate book. We should consider it nothing more than an anti-
Semitic lampoon." In a similar vein, the German historian Prof. Hans
Momsen called it "a most trivial book, which appeals to easily aroused
anti-Semitic prejudices."
….
“Finkelstein seek[s] to prove Wiesel's "cheating" with his written
claim that he had read Kant in Yiddish in his youth. Finkelstein says
Wiesel is lying, since Kant was never translated into Yiddish. Wiesel
has responded by citing the exact name of the book and the publishing
house, so as to prove that it is Finkelstein who is the liar.
“But Finkelstein is not ready to give in yet, and told Ha'aretz that
he had looked into the matter and found that Kant's book "The Critique
of Practical Reason" was indeed translated into Yiddish.”
….
“Finkelstein attributes the books's flop in the U.S. to a lethal book
review by Israeli scholar Omer Bartov that appeared in the New York
Times Book Review.”
Yair Sheleg, The Finkelstein polemic, Ha'aretz , March 30, 2001
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And in the NEW YORK TIMES is the “lethal book review” on which
Finkelstein blamed the boffo floppo of his slender “Holocaust
Industry” tome:
“Here [Finkelstein] combines an old-hat 1960's view of Israel as the
outpost of American imperialism with a novel variation on the anti-
Semitic forgery, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," which warned
of a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world. Now, however, the
Jewish conspiracy is intended to "shake down" (his favorite phrase)
such innocent entities as Swiss banks, German corporations and East
European owners of looted Jewish property, all in order to consolidate
Jewish power and influence without giving the real survivors of the
genocide anything but empty rhetoric.”
…
“What I find so striking about "The Holocaust Industry" is that it is
almost an exact copy of the arguments it seeks to expose. It is filled
with precisely the kind of shrill hyperbole that Finkelstein rightly
deplores in much of the current media hype over the Holocaust; it is
brimming with the same indifference to historical facts, inner
contradictions, strident politics and dubious contextualizations; and
it oozes with the same smug sense of moral and intellectual
superiority.
“This book is, in a word, an ideological fanatic's view of other
people's opportunism, by a writer so reckless and ruthless in his
attacks that he is prepared to defend his own enemies, the bastions of
Western capitalism, and to warn that "The Holocaust" will stir up an
anti-Semitism whose significance he otherwise discounts. Like any
conspiracy theory, it contains several grains of truth; and like any
such theory, it is both irrational and insidious. Finkelstein can now
be said to have founded a Holocaust industry of his own.”
Omer Bartov, A Tale of Two Holocausts, The New York Times Book Review
Desk, 6th August 2000
http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/08/06/reviews/000806.06bartovt.html
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And elsewhere......
“Norman Finkelstein is a notorious distorter of facts and of my work,
not a serious or honest historian.”
Benny Morris, Committee for Accurate Reporting in the Middle East,
27th February 2007
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Finkelstein has such a continuing obsession with Zionism that he may
fairly be termed an anti-Israel propagandist. He ...puts forth the
thesis that, roughly, everything Zionism and Israel have done since
the foundation of the movement is bad, and everything that the
Palestinians and Arabs have done is good. Finkelstein routinely,
almost automatically, compares Israel with Nazi Germany, although,
presumably to avoid boredom, he also compares Israel's supporters with
Stalinists.
...
[I]t is far from clear that there exists, in Finkelstein's
terminology, a “Holocaust industry,” or that Holocaust activists are
necessarily motivated by the basest of motives...He is, moreover,
emphatically wrong in connecting the growth of the centrality of the
Holocaust in Western consciousness with Jewish support for Israel. The
post-war “taboo” on serious discussion of the Holocaust was not broken
by the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, as he repeatedly asserts, but by the
Eichmann Trial of 1960-62, as every serious account of this subject
notes.
“The State of Israel has, indeed, been almost punctilious in not
exploiting the Holocaust for political ends. While one might expect
Israel to be dotted with Holocaust monuments on every street corner,
in the whole of the country there is precisely one memorial to the
Holocaust, Yad Vashem, on the hills outside Jerusalem. A place of
dignity, it is probably best known for its avenue of trees planted,
not in memory of murdered Jews, but to commemorate Righteous Gentiles
who risked their lives to save Jews.”
...
“It must also be stressed that the current centrality of the Holocaust
flows from the power of that event to affect virtually everyone today:
it is recognized by nearly everybody as an unspeakable horror that
requires no “Holocaust industry” to impress on our consciousness.
Finkelstein never acknowledges this basic truth.”
First Things 108, December 2000, pp 39-43.
William D. Rubinstein, A Flawed Expose : The Holocaust Industry
http://www.leaderu.com/ftissues/ft0012/reviews/rubinstein.html
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A book about exploitation? And the book is not?
March 23, 2010
Boz (USA)
“Finkelstein, in writing this book obviously is exploiting the
Holocaust to sell a book. He is not giving it away as a matter of
public conscience raising is he?”
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Many positive reviews, I wonder why :-)
January 12, 2006
Efraim Karsh
“Exegesis of this book - short: Some people (Finkelstein) would sell
their sister for a couple of bucks.
“Exegesis of this book - long: Of course some (obvious) points are
*well* explained in this "book made to sell as much as possible". But
the heavy (much too heavy) pro-palestine stance shows the severe
unbalance of this very partisan Author. Now, understand me right. I'm
nothing against unbalance. Only you shouldn't pretend you are NOT
unbalanced if you are :-)
“The "Holocaust" was -of course- NOT unique to the Jews. Right. The
"Holocaust Industry" (as far as I can accept such a propagandistic and
bombastic term) IS indeed "demeaning the actual Holocaust survivors".
Right.
“No problems with that.
“Yet the real purpose and aim of this book is -simply put- rather
disgusting and abominable. Instead of bringing needed fresh air in a
very old debate, the Author seems to have just written his unbalanced
pamphlet in order to gain some newspapers space (using, btw, the "anti-
holocaust industry" for this purpose) in order to sell it and make
money.
“Shame.
“History should be left to professionals, not to money grabbing
clowns.
“I regret having bought it. Really. I hope I'll be able to sell it on
Amazon, thanks to the widespread coverage this Author managed to
wrangle.
“Efraim”
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The exploitation by Finklestein of Jewish suffering
January 26, 2005
Shalom Freedman
“[W]hat one repeatedly sees in the writing of Finklestein is a vicious
hatred of Israel and the organized Jewish community. There is also in
addition a despicable hatred of the one nation in the world which has
done more for the good of mankind than any other, the United States of
America.
“Finkelstein also slanders individuals including the most well-known
witness of the Holocaust, the human rights activist and Nobel Prize
Winner Elie Wiesel...Wiesel is a courageous and consciencious
individual whose story of his own experience in the Holocaust ' Night'
is one of the most moving human documents ever written. Wiesel has
spent a lifetime battling for human rights throughout the world and is
a hero of mankind. Finkelstein's attack on Wiesel is shameful.
“As for Finklestein's major argument as to there being a ' Holocaust
Industry ' this is too insulting and offensive from the outset. There
was a Murder Industry of the Nazis which destroyed one third of the
Jewish people .This Industry also confiscated tremedous amounts of
property. The efforts by Jewish organizations to recover some small
part of that and provide some of the victims in their old age with
compensation have never seemed to me anything but a marginal footnote
to the Holocaust story. The Holocaust story is the millions of dead,
and injured, the countless incidents of cruelty and suffering. It is
also the effort of the survivors to make new lives for themselves, and
to try insofar as possible to restore human hope and dignity to
themselves. The state of Israel enabled many of those survivors to
make new lives for themselves. Their rehabilitation is one of the few
encouraging signs in this story. That Finklestein, who is a
propagandist for Palestinian Arab terror, dares to condemn the state
which has done the most for restoring the souls and the lives of the
victims is hypocritical and disgusting.
“This book has made many Anti-Semites happy, and may even create a few
new ones. But decent, fair - minded people, Jewish and not-Jewish
alike ,will see through it for what is, a bigoted propaganda
propogated by a cruel and inhuman exploiter of his own people's
suffering.”
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Vicious, intentionally inaccurate, and counterproductive
August 1, 2004
Jill Malter
“This book could have seriously discussed false conclusions that some
people have tried to draw from the history of Jewish suffering.
Instead, it viciously slams those who wish to memorialize the dead,
claim reparations for stolen property, teach about the catastrophe as
a means to avoid repeating it, or defend Jewish rights in Israel.
These attacks are unnecessary, misleading, and invalid. On top of
that, they serve to support those who oppose human rights today.”
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Biased and Partisan-- and Hypocritical
September 25, 2003
“Finkelstein makes a lot of money suggesting that others (mainly Jews)
make money "exploiting" the Holocaust. Most of my family was murdered
by the Germans, some in particularly gruesome ways. All of the
property of my family on both sides was lost. I have pictures of whole
families (cousins) in their comfortable homes, all dead. Their homes
and businesses were taken over by the citizens of Holland and Germany
and Hungary. The wealth of the Jews was stolen by the very people who
murdered them or their neighbors. Some people think the Holocaust was
started out of greed for money. Read Ian MacMillan: Village of a
Million Spirits: A Novel of the Treblinka Uprising.
“Despite the fact that I have lost most of my family in the Holocaust,
I have never got a penny out of it. No one paid me to write this
review. Finkelstein wrote a book disparaging Goldhagen's Book:
"Hitler's Willing Executioners" (which by the way was a best-seller in
Germany and Goldhagen much respected) by way of respect for his
father, who was a survivor. I think Finkelstein should be ashamed of
himself for his bigoted and ugly theses, such as the one he espouses
in this book. It is not justice to blame the victims.”
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A highly familiar ideological bent
July 26, 2002
Oliver Kamm (London)
“Finkelstein's polemic...is intemperate, abusive, obtuse - and at
times astonishingly sentimental. Rather than provide historical or
ethical insight into the Holocaust, Finkelstein prefers to mock and
exploit the Jewish dilemma of how to make new generations aware of it.
He derides historians of the Holocaust as "worthless" purveyors of
"shelves upon shelves of shlock". Their efforts in commemorating the
Holocaust are, in Finkelstein's judgement, also "worthless, a tribute
not to Jewish suffering but to Jewish aggrandisement". The Nobel
laureate Elie Wiesel, a moral giant of our times, is denounced as a
"charlatan" who has a "shameful record of apologetics on behalf of
Israel".
“And there, in that last judgement, lies the nub of Finkelstein's
rhetoric. His book is not a sociological or historical inquiry about
the Holocaust at all: it is a means of propounding his own far-Left
politics. By denouncing what he perceives to be a "Holocaust industry"
- supposedly a racket that preys upon the generosity of European
nations to extract wealth and gain influence - Finkelstein exemplifies
an ideology that is eerily familiar. It has its roots in the 1930s,
when the French Communist leader Jacques Doriot founded his Parti
Populaire Francais, which aimed to preserve France from Jewish
influence, and it extends to the anti-Zionism of the totalitarian Left
today.”
Deborah
drahcir
Do you think if you prpeated misspell "Missy", it will somehow catch
on?
It's your home town newspaper.
THEN CITE IT NEXT TIME, YOU ASS.
Here's a few quotes:
"I spoke with one of the evicted fathers, Fouad Ghawi, who had lived
in the house since 1954, when he was 8. He and his family were
Palestinian refugees from Jaffa during the 1948 war, and his father
traded in his UN refugee card, which guaranteed him basic support, for
the right to move into the house the UN Relief and Works Agency and
Jordan were building on vacant land. In return for finishing the
house, the Ghwai family would get the legal deed. Three generations of
the Ghawi family had lived there ever since - until last August, when
an Israeli court ordered them out. They had no deed because, he told
me, “the Jordan government would not put it in our name until we had
proper plumbing, and then the 1967 war broke out.’’ Jordan’s authority
ended."
Now, are we to believe that from 1954 to 1967, a span of 13 years, the
poor arabs couldn't get a deed from Jordan because they hadn't
finished the plumbing?? In THIRTEEN YEARS?? Suuuuuure.... They could
have gotten a free house, but they screwed it up. No deed, no
ownership. Tough shit. They should be happy- they lived for free for
56 years. People get evicted all over the world for being a whole lot
less stupid than they were.
"The government evictions depend on cloudy questions of pre-1948
ownership rights which, in most of Israel, have been simply deleted."
Who knows what that is supposed to mean?
"Untie this knot in the nearly hopeless Israeli-Palestinian tangle and
many others could be untied as well. "
Too stupid to merit comment.
Of course, you are too ignorant to undetsand that the 1947 partition
agreement attempted to set up Jerusalem as an international city.
After the 1948 war, Jordan did not allow any Jew to set foot into
East Jerusalem, in spite of the fact that this was always the center
of Judaism. Now the tables are turned and we have to hear about this
or that arab who's had his home supposedly stolen. What goes around
comes around.
>And Israel is a land of clever dictats and ukazes so far as
>Palestinians are concerned, but not a land of human and civil rights.
>Israel is an aggressor nation, a criminal state.
Tendentious, empty, worthless pronouncements.
So what does that
>make you but an amoral apologist for aggression and criminality.
See above.
L8 nuz
wrote:
so, do you bet on horses, or it’s not legal where you live? I lost
last night, I was so fukin drunk I don’t remember how I drove home.
But at least I had some good news in the morning: an e-mail from a
multibillion $$ business. The e-mail starts with “Congratulations!”
It’s about an intellectual property. I’m on my way to making a few
millions in the next few months/years. I'll call cuntica to let the
pig know when to see me on Oprah's show
Doug
news:8d37e924-ace0-4f45...@b4g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
And elsewhere......
“No problems with that.
“Shame.
Deborah
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Finkelstein, like the Clintons, has to earn his
islamofascist paychecks somehow.
Tell it like it is.
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT), "iconocl...@yahoo.com"
Tell it like it is.
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT), "iconocl...@yahoo.com"
It's not your fault, Drahcir, that you can't comprehend the loyalty to
land that those people have. You're mother did a good job.
Why Sadham Hussein fled to his native town.
Why the natives of a region have the very ties that a secular Israel
full of foreign, usurping jews claim for themselves. Your arrogance is
exposed, Drahcir, you really are a stupid jew.
You will will bemade accountable when America decides
it has had enough of racist and secular bullshit in a region for
religious Jews, Chistians, and Muslims.
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Drahcir,
You like all arrogant people of your ethnocentric
upbringing take pride in calling people stupid. That is why it is
impossible for you to understand a people capable of as stong a
feeling for their homes and their heritage in a region called THE HOLY
LAND.
Reading the ashkenazi talmud makes you an
ethnocentric. Not a religious man.
Your pagan tribe adopted the talmud on the
sword of Mohamed in the seventh century.
He respected believers, and not necessarily
in Islam. If you read the Talmud, you'll learn its author was about
converting his own people from their paganism.
Ashkenazis of your ilk worship Satan. Not the
God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. So keep on calling people "stupid"
Drahcir. You'll do.
Tell it like it is.
> "Tell it like it is." <DanielAlbertDesfos...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:354b8d8c-3318-474f...@h19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Yours.
Doug
Yours.
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Up.
A Moose In Love
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I don't bet on horses yet. I want to handicap a few hundred races
before I do. It's legal where I live. As for cantica, he can't
afford a TV. He'll have to go down to the men's shelter to watch.
drahcir
Look up "law" in your favorite dictionary. If you need further
assistance, feel free to ask.
Who's laws?
Israeli laws are generally the sort found in Israel.
There is no
>country that governs by the rule of law.
LOL! What profundity!
As I peruse down the rest of your drek, I see that you're a mediocrity
who sees usenet as the time to get people to listen to his silly,
half-baked meanderings. Find someone else to seel to, Moose. I'm not
buying.
drahcir
Listen you silly oaf, everyone here knows how clueless you are. You
wouldn't know "ad hominem" if it bit you in your ass.
A Moose In Love
Laugh at yourself you ignorant fool.
> As I peruse down the rest of your drek, I see that you're a mediocrity
> who sees usenet as the time to get people to listen to his silly,
> half-baked meanderings. Find someone else to seel to, Moose. I'm not
> buying.
>
So prove me wrong and prove me silly.
> They all govern by the rule
>
>
>
> >of man and pretend that they govern by the rule of law. Law begins
> >with natural law. Read up on natural law to understand what law is.
> >It is not the law of the jungle which many people think. It is
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Zev
Prove what?
That your local parliament defines the law
and not Locke and Hobbes?
A Moose In Love
Well you sure twisted that statement.
>
>
> > > They all govern by the rule
>
> > > >of man and pretend that they govern by the rule of law. Law begins
> > > >with natural law. Read up on natural law to understand what law is.
> > > >It is not the law of the jungle which many people think. It is
Michael Ragland
A Moose In Love
wrote:
That's because you don't look beyond the surface. You're a
lightweight when compared to me ragland. My shit's too big for you so
go play with your dolls.
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Tell it like it is.
> "dsharavi" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Deborah
>
> *********************************
> Finkelstein, like the Clintons, has to earn his
> islamofascist paychecks somehow.
Watch what you say about the Secretary of State.
Tell it like it is.
drahcir
no you laugh at your self, you stinky doodyhead.
>
>> As I peruse down the rest of your drek, I see that you're a mediocrity
>> who sees usenet as the time to get people to listen to his silly,
>> half-baked meanderings. Find someone else to seel to, Moose. I'm not
>> buying.
>>
>
>So prove me wrong and prove me silly.
No need. You've done the latter already, as anyone who spends the
thirty seconds necessary to read the below tripe will agree. Of
course, I understand you disagree - you think the below is ever so
profound. You're obviously about 16 - at least mentally. I used to
think I was profound when I was actually banal at that age, too.
Zev
What statement?
You challenged Drahcir to prove you wrong.
I was just wondering what that challenge involved.
Can't you get that straight?
A Moose In Love
You're incapable of reason and logic. You also seem to be incapable
of laughing at yourself. In fact you're such a fool that you don't
even recognize that you're a fool.
>
>
> >> As I peruse down the rest of your drek, I see that you're a mediocrity
> >> who sees usenet as the time to get people to listen to his silly,
> >> half-baked meanderings. Find someone else to seel to, Moose. I'm not
> >> buying.
>
> >So prove me wrong and prove me silly.
>
> No need.
There it is. You can't come up with an argument. But then I knew
that.
>You've done the latter already, as anyone who spends the
> thirty seconds necessary to read the below tripe will agree. Of
> course, I understand you disagree - you think the below is ever so
> profound. You're obviously about 16 - at least mentally. I used to
> think I was profound when I was actually banal at that age, too.
>
>
>
>
>
> >> They all govern by the rule
>
> >> >of man and pretend that they govern by the rule of law. Law begins
> >> >with natural law. Read up on natural law to understand what law is.
> >> >It is not the law of the jungle which many people think. It is
> >> >basically a live and let live system of law.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
A Moose In Love
?Are you that much of an idiot?
> You challenged Drahcir to prove you wrong.
> I was just wondering what that challenge involved.
You are stupid. The challenge involved Drahcir's comments which
stated that my post was silly.
Can't you grasp that? Is that so hard to understand? Go away and
play in the sandbox with the 5 year olds.
> Can't you get that straight?- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text
Zev
Here's your challenge to Drachir:
"So prove me wrong and prove me silly".
I'd like to try it myself but I'd like to be sure
I know which statement of yours
he's being challenged to prove wrong.
It's beginning to look like you yourself don't know,
which puts you into your own sandbox
A Moose In Love
OK. So you're 6 years old. Drachir you moron stated that my
statements were silly. Now he/she knows which statements those were
because he/she objected to them. So there you go you flippin' poor
poor silly imbecile. Christ man. Take your wife or partner(even if
she's 5!) out to dinner tonight and forget about political argument.
Grab some vino, go home and do whatever it is you do.
May your gods go with you.
>
>
> > Can't you grasp that? Is that so hard to understand? Go away and
> > play in the sandbox with the 5 year olds.
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drahcir
LOL!
You also seem to be incapable
>of laughing at yourself.
You drew that conclusion logically from the fact that I laugh at you.
In fact you're such a fool that you don't
>even recognize that you're a fool.
WOW! THAT'S HEAVY! Moose, you're so deep...
A Moose In Love
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 04:21:21 -0700 (PDT), A Moose In Love
>
>
> In fact you're such a fool that you don't
>
> >even recognize that you're a fool.
>
> WOW! THAT'S HEAVY! Moose, you're so deep...
>
drahcir
As I've already stated, you're a stinky doodyhead.
dsharavi
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:20:37 -0700 (PDT), A Moose In Love
>
> >On Aug 24, 7:11 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 04:21:21 -0700 (PDT), A Moose In Love
>
> >> You drew that conclusion logically from the fact that I laugh at you.
>
> >> In fact you're such a fool that you don't
>
> >> >even recognize that you're a fool.
>
> >> WOW! THAT'S HEAVY! Moose, you're so deep...
>
> >you're an ignorant non-thinking dumbass.
>
> As I've already stated, you're a stinky doodyhead.
So why are you wasting time and bandwidth on this shoteh?
Deborah
A Moose In Love
I'm a shoteh? You're a fuckin' mook!
> Deborah- Hide quoted text -
drahcir
C'mon, there are worse things in the world. I'm just trying to show hm
what a sillyi child he is.
>
>Deborah
drahcir
Gusss you didn't have the brain to figure out that you're not going to
get a reply from her. That is why you felt the need to make the above
incisive comment. So, how's the acne?
Doug
news:20b10a1b-3801-4f86...@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
*********************************
The Clintons have received ten of millions of dollars in
"speaking engagement" fees from islamofascist states
like Dubai, therefore, it's a form of pay, or maybe a
paycheck.
A Moose In Love
Sorry wrong number. You haven't shown me up yet.
>
>
>
>
> >Deborah- Hide quoted text -
A Moose In Love
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 03:53:09 -0700 (PDT), A Moose In Love
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 24, 10:51 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Aug 24, 6:16 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:20:37 -0700 (PDT), A Moose In Love
>
> >> > <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >On Aug 24, 7:11 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >> > >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 04:21:21 -0700 (PDT), A Moose In Love
>
> >> > >> You drew that conclusion logically from the fact that I laugh at you.
>
> >> > >> In fact you're such a fool that you don't
>
> >> > >> >even recognize that you're a fool.
>
> >> > >> WOW! THAT'S HEAVY! Moose, you're so deep...
>
> >> > >you're an ignorant non-thinking dumbass.
>
> >> > As I've already stated, you're a stinky doodyhead.
>
> >> So why are you wasting time and bandwidth on this shoteh?
>
> >I'm a shoteh? You're a fuckin' mook!
>
> Gusss you didn't have the brain to figure out that you're not going to
> get a reply from her. That is why you felt the need to make the above
> incisive comment. So, how's the acne?
>
That's about all you're capable of. You fail to argue so you start
with the illogical crap as usual.
>
>
>
>
> >> Deborah- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Zev
wrote:
> On Aug 25, 8:18 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:51:54 -0700 (PDT), dsharavi
> > <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Aug 24, 6:16 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:20:37 -0700 (PDT), A Moose In Love
> > >> <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >On Aug 24, 7:11 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > >> >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 04:21:21 -0700 (PDT), A Moose In Love
>
> > >> >> You drew that conclusion logically from the fact that I laugh at you.
>
> > >> >> In fact you're such a fool that you don't
>
> > >> >> >even recognize that you're a fool.
>
> > >> >> WOW! THAT'S HEAVY! Moose, you're so deep...
>
> > >> >you're an ignorant non-thinking dumbass.
>
> > >> As I've already stated, you're a stinky doodyhead.
>
> > >So why are you wasting time and bandwidth on this shoteh?
>
> > C'mon, there are worse things in the world. I'm just trying to show hm
> > what a sillyi child he is.
>
> Sorry wrong number. You haven't shown me up yet.
LOL
You haven't said anything yet.
A Moose In Love
>
grow up spooky girl.
drahcir
<parkstre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 25, 8:20 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 03:53:09 -0700 (PDT), A Moose In Love
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Aug 24, 10:51 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Aug 24, 6:16 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:20:37 -0700 (PDT), A Moose In Love
>>
>> >> > <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >On Aug 24, 7:11 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>> >> > >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 04:21:21 -0700 (PDT), A Moose In Love
>>
>> >> > >> You drew that conclusion logically from the fact that I laugh at you.
>>
>> >> > >> In fact you're such a fool that you don't
>>
>> >> > >> >even recognize that you're a fool.
>>
>> >> > >> WOW! THAT'S HEAVY! Moose, you're so deep...
>>
>> >> > >you're an ignorant non-thinking dumbass.
>>
>> >> > As I've already stated, you're a stinky doodyhead.
>>
>> >> So why are you wasting time and bandwidth on this shoteh?
>>
>> >I'm a shoteh? You're a fuckin' mook!
>>
>> Gusss you didn't have the brain to figure out that you're not going to
>> get a reply from her. That is why you felt the need to make the above
>> incisive comment. So, how's the acne?
>>
>
>That's about all you're capable of. You fail to argue so you start
>with the illogical crap as usual.
LOL! This coming from the skilled debater whose last contribution was:
"I'm a shoteh? You're a fuckin' mook!"
To be honest, I have no clue what a "shoteh" or "mook" is. But one
thing I know: You're a terribly immature, rather stupid person whose
image of himself in incredibly, inaccurately inflated. Let's have a
look at your amazingly incisive posts in this thread, shall we?
"Laugh at yourself you ignorant fool."
"Are you that much of an idiot?"
" Drachir you moron stated that my
statements were silly" - well, in all honesty, my conclusion didn't
take much intellect - it's fairly obvious.
"In fact you're such a fool that you don't
even recognize that you're a fool." -my personal favorite. It's pure
teenager.
"you're an ignorant non-thinking dumbass." - as opposed to a
knowledgable, deep-thinking dumbass.
"I'm a shoteh? You're a fuckin' mook!" -a teenager having a hissy
fit.
Remember, that's in this small thread, over the course of a few days.
A Moose In Love
Why don't you get some strength and look at yourself nutter. And if
you wish to include 'immature' remarks don't forget the shite that deb
writes up. You're a raging hypocrite who spends far too much time in
front of a mirror wondering why the good lord fucked you up the way he
did.
dsharavi
It's not bright enough to understand how thick it is.
Deborah
drahcir
Let's test your theory. Cite my hypocrisy.
who spends far too much time in
>front of a mirror wondering why the good lord fucked you up the way he
>did.
Now, without any reply whatever to the below cites, our Moose
desperately gropes for some psychology to save face. Won't work,
Moose. The below speaks for itself.
A Moose In Love
>
> - Show quoted text -
So prove something for a change. Shithead said that I was so stupid
that I thought that you'd reply. Well well well. And here you are in
all your splendour and glory.
You've just proven that your friend dracula is a fuckin' shitter.
A Moose In Love
If that's all that you could come up with, you're not much of a
defective. Er I mean detective. I've spouted off alot worse than
that on this NG. So I'm a vulgarian. At least we both know that
you're unable to argue my points, so you have to mount a political
(aka shitter, weasel-like) attack on my self. Politics only gets you
so far. You still need an intelligent background to make a point
stick. Your shit's kind of weak. But keep on truckin'. I enjoy
playing with the cards in my favour.
drahcir
Why, how observant of you. That's the first accurate observation
you've made in this group. It's a pity one can't say the same of you.
Er I mean detective. I've spouted off alot worse than
>that on this NG.
Confirmation that you're an ignorable adolescent. You're in a rather
objective mood.
So I'm a vulgarian.
Looks like I goaded this clown into momentarily seeing himself
objectively.
At least we both know that
>you're unable to argue my points,
"Your points" - LOL! What points are those, Moose. Your high school
philosophy about common law? Oh, geez, you mean your point, wait, I'll
quote, "There is no country that governs by the rule of law." THAT was
a keeper! Is that the "point" you want me to "argue", Moose?
BWAHAHAHA!!!!
so you have to mount a political
>(aka shitter, weasel-like) attack on my self.
A POLITICAL ATTACK ON YOU??? Please, do cite this political attack.
You may quote it in reply.
Politics only gets you
>so far. You still need an intelligent background to make a point
>stick. Your shit's kind of weak. But keep on truckin'. I enjoy
>playing with the cards in my favour.
LOL! At least you have an imagination.
drahcir
Psst - hey Moose - in case y;ou didn't notice, and apparently y;ou
didn't, she replied to ME, not you. Let me instruct you how to tell
whom a poster is addressing. If you look at the top of a post, it will
normailly state the date and to whom the post is addressed. So if you
look all the way up... no, keep going.... THAT'S A GOOD BOY, you'll
see that Deb replied to drahcir. You are not drahcir, you are Moose.
I'd said she wouldhn't reaply to YOU, and you are Moose...MOOSE, get
it? Perhaps you understaood that I was saying she wouldn't reply to
ANYONE, EVER. That would be incorrect.
Have you ever asked yourself whether you have good cause to believe
you're not a moron?
A Moose In Love
>
> - Show quoted text -
You've been proven to be an idiot over and over again. You can't
argue any of my posts, so you hide behind some bullshit prose that
you've probably rehearsed for hours; just to impress me. Sorry chum.
Bullshit doesn't impress me.
A Moose In Love
> On Aug 20, 7:26 pm, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 20, 2:09 pm, L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 20, 6:48 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:45:05 -0700 (PDT), L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >On Aug 19, 5:45 am, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> On Aug 19, 1:51 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > > > >> wrote:
>
> > > > >> > “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
> > > > >> > hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
> > > > >> > Brooklyn can live in them"?
>
> > > > >> Who's being evicted? Names? Dates? Reasons?
>
> > > > >what jews died in WWII? "Names? Dates? Reasons?"
>
> > > > Too fucking stupid to use google, eh?
>
> > > > Figures...
>
> > > >http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/IY_HON_Welcome
>
> > > it took me 2 seconds to google this, you fucken ape:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1Q1TSHB_enUS356US356&...
>
> > what suits your microbrain best.
>
> > Deborah
>
> any brain (whether micro or macro) is better than your no-brain stinky
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she's a fuckin' woim. crawling below the earth looking for grub.
A Moose In Love
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:09:25 -0700 (PDT), L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 20, 6:48 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:45:05 -0700 (PDT), L8 nuz <pass_...@msn.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Aug 19, 5:45 am, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Aug 19, 1:51 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> > “Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for
> >> >> > hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from
> >> >> > Brooklyn can live in them"?
>
> >> >> Who's being evicted? Names? Dates? Reasons?
>
> >> >what jews died in WWII? "Names? Dates? Reasons?"
>
> >> Too fucking stupid to use google, eh?
>
> >> Figures...
>
> >>http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/IY_HON_Welcome
>
> >it took me 2 seconds to google this, you fucken ape:
> >http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1Q1TSHB_enUS356US356&...
>
> their homes so that jews from Brooklyn can live in them. Nice try,
> Einstein. I bet you really felt good there with your "fucken", though,
> huh? You figured you had really scored with a brilliant
> counterthrust. I bet it's tough for a moron such as you to vainly try
> to appear intelligent in a publoic forum such as this. You're wasting
> valuable neurons that you could be devoting to more important tasks,
>
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keep on tryin'. we're wise to you and your shoddy political parlour
tricks. You're incapable of arguing political philosophy because you
are thick upstairs. So of course you have to attack (like a stinky
weasel) your opponent personally, which of course ends up flying back
in your face. friendoh.
drahcir
Really? That's news to me. Why don't you cite these repeated proofs in
reply? Of course, that's all besides the point, which is whether you
have good cause to believe you're not a moron, given that you can't
seem to understand how to determine to whom a poster is replying.
You can't
>argue any of my posts,
LOL! I don't argue jokes, I laugh at them (if they're funny, and yours
are).
so you hide behind some bullshit prose that
>you've probably rehearsed for hours; just to impress me. Sorry chum.
>Bullshit doesn't impress me.
Be honest (if you have the courage) - is there anything more to your
above blahblah than simply a silly, vain attempt to distract from the
fact that you can't seem to figure out to whom a poster is replying?
A Moose In Love
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you asshole. i'm 55 and you wonder about my acne? are you that
fucking stupid?
but keep on trying. as soon as you wish to debate political
philosophy, let me know. if you want to keep on truckin' with the
bullshit that you're spouting, well, who am i to stop you retread?
drahcir
Thanks, Moose. If you were just a wee bit brighter, you'd understand
the acne observation. But, alas, you're not. it will escape no one
that the above is even more hilarious blahblah designed to distract
from the fact that you can't seem to figure out to whom a poster is
replying.
A Moose In Love
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:36:14 -0700 (PDT), A Moose In Love
>
>
>
>
>
Duh.
>But, alas, you're not. it will escape no one
> that the above is even more hilarious blahblah designed to distract
> from the fact that you can't seem to figure out to whom a poster is
> replying.- Hide quoted text -
>
the cow referred and replied to me dorkus. let's have a debate
concerning political philosophy. oh no? you're not equipped?
geeze. i thought you wuz. Not!
Still avoiding any meaninful debate are you? That's OK. I realize
your need to cover your ass and try and make yourself out to be well
let's just say that you need to save face at every opportunity, or at
least try to.
drahcir
BWAHAHAHA! Poor Moose got caught being a moron, and now can't figure
out any way out except to try to lie. I'll copy the into from above
for you, Moose, because I pity you:
<dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 24, 6:16 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
******
I stress, this is copied from above. As you can see, dsharavi replied
to drahcir. You are not drahcir, therefore deb did not reply to you.
If you STILL are not clear about that, please do feel free to ask
again and I'll be more than happy to explain it to you yet again.
Insofar as "referral" is concerned, of course she referred to you, but
you said above:
Shithead said that I was so stupid that I thought that you'd reply.
See? We're speaking of REPLYING, not REFERRING. Nice try, though.
let's have a debate
>concerning political philosophy.
First things first, Moose. Someone who demonstrates an inabiliity to
determine whom a post is replying to is simply not someone that I care
to spend time regarding ANYTHING, much less "political philosophy" (as
if there's a chance that something like you has a clue about such
things).
Even more empty blahblah below designed to distract from your
inability to figure out whom a reply is addressed to.
A Moose In Love
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:51:55 -0700 (PDT), A Moose In Love
>
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don't be a cad baba louie.
drahcir
Seems like you missed addressing the entire post to which your ego
made you pretend to reply. If you've got no response, it would be more
honest of you to just go away. Here, I'll give you a second chance by
pasting from above. This time, try confonting directly and honestly
the issue of your seeming inability to determine to whom a poster is
replying. If you try the direct, honest approach, you won't get
yourself into quicksand, as you did above with your silly reply vs.
refer fiasco. Here it is:
A Moose In Love
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:20:17 -0700 (PDT), A Moose In Love
>
>
>
>
>
you've shown me that you don't have a clue about such things. you're
still too wet behind the ears. although i suspect you always will
be. :)
>
> Even more empty blahblah below designed to distract from your
> inability to figure out whom a reply is addressed to.- Hide quoted text -
>
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more crap from you trying to hide the fact that you are unable to
argue political points or any other point for that matter. you're
pretty long winded by the way. what you said could have been reduced
to 2 or 3 sentences. like i said before dracul, you don't impress me.
A Moose In Love
she replied to me. here is her post:
It's not bright enough to understand how thick it is.
Deborah
get it? she referred to me knowing full well that i would read the
post. that's a reply, an indirect and shitty one i'll admit, but a
reply nonetheless. so stick that in your pipe and smoke it bozo.
>Let me instruct you how to tell
> whom a poster is addressing. If you look at the top of a post, it will
> normailly state the date and to whom the post is addressed. So if you
> look all the way up... no, keep going.... THAT'S A GOOD BOY, you'll
> see that Deb replied to drahcir. You are not drahcir, you are Moose.
> I'd said she wouldhn't reaply to YOU, and you are Moose...MOOSE, get
> it? Perhaps you understaood that I was saying she wouldn't reply to
> ANYONE, EVER. That would be incorrect.
>
> Have you ever asked yourself whether you have good cause to believe
> you're not a moron?- Hide quoted text -
drahcir
<parkstre...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
My, my, I say "sit", my Moose sits, I say "reply", my Moose replies.
What a good boy my Moose is! Now, as to the above, I've asked you to
cite proof of your claim a few posts above - you couldn't. I don't
wonder what will happen if I ask you to cite HOW I've shown you that I
don't have a clue about "such things" (LOL!).
you're
>still too wet behind the ears. although i suspect you always will
>be. :)
Gosh, what a barb! You have to be right clever to conceive such a
thing, eh, Moose? Isn't that what you thought as you finished typing
it?
>
>>
>> Even more empty blahblah below designed to distract from your
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>
>more crap from you trying to hide the fact that you are unable to
>argue political points or any other point for that matter. you're
>pretty long winded by the way. what you said could have been reduced
>to 2 or 3 sentences. like i said before dracul, you don't impress me.
That's nice. You STILL haven't acknowledged your inability to
determine to whom a poster is replying. It's odd that somenoe with
such basic insufficiencies consideres himself capapble of wiping his
own ass, let alone particitpating in discussions of things like the
weather.