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Paul

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Feb 19, 2008, 6:00:35 AM2/19/08
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A Jewish person that I know told me that in the Jewish religion alcohol
consumption is permissible, but only in moderation - that is the person is
not allowed to become drunk - Is this correct - Regards


dreadnought

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Feb 19, 2008, 10:03:20 AM2/19/08
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In article <47bab6d6$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, adsl...@tpg.com.au says...

> A Jewish person that I know told me that in the Jewish religion alcohol
> consumption is permissible, but only in moderation - that is the person is
> not allowed to become drunk - Is this correct - Regards
>
>

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

No.

Judaism is permissive concerning alcohol use although generally Jews
disapprove of hedonistic drinking with one major exception and that is
Purim although many like my wife are weak on that day and use grape
juice.

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fla...@verizon.net

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Feb 19, 2008, 1:55:20 PM2/19/08
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On 19-Feb-2008, dreadnought <dread...@NoSPAM.com> wrote:

> n article <47bab6d6$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, adsl...@tpg.com.au says...
> > A Jewish person that I know told me that in the Jewish religion alcohol
> > consumption is permissible, but only in moderation - that is the person
> > is
> > not allowed to become drunk - Is this correct - Regards
> >
> >
>
> Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>
> No.

It's not a blanket no - it's closer to yes, actually.


>
> Judaism is permissive concerning alcohol use although generally Jews
> disapprove of hedonistic drinking with one major exception and that is
> Purim although many like my wife are weak on that day and use grape
> juice.

This actually does not totally contradict what the OP supposed -
Judaism does not approve of drunkenness - Purim is the exception
which proves the rule in both senses of the word.

Suan

Paul

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Feb 19, 2008, 11:55:31 PM2/19/08
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Thanks for your reply - It's interesting.


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dreadnought

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Feb 20, 2008, 4:39:37 AM2/20/08
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In article <sCFuj.45421$we5.22138@trnddc02>, fla...@verizon.net says...

>
> On 19-Feb-2008, dreadnought <dread...@NoSPAM.com> wrote:
>
> > n article <47bab6d6$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, adsl...@tpg.com.au says...
> > > A Jewish person that I know told me that in the Jewish religion alcohol
> > > consumption is permissible, but only in moderation - that is the person
> > > is
> > > not allowed to become drunk - Is this correct - Regards
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
> >
> > No.
>
> It's not a blanket no - it's closer to yes, actually.

Okay give me some quotes to show this?

> >
> > Judaism is permissive concerning alcohol use although generally Jews
> > disapprove of hedonistic drinking with one major exception and that is
> > Purim although many like my wife are weak on that day and use grape
> > juice.
>
> This actually does not totally contradict what the OP supposed -
> Judaism does not approve of drunkenness - Purim is the exception
> which proves the rule in both senses of the word.
>

Not quite Purim is the day it is encouraged

> Suan

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Feb 20, 2008, 10:08:51 AM2/20/08
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On 20-Feb-2008, dreadnought <dread...@NoSPAM.com> wrote:

> In article <sCFuj.45421$we5.22138@trnddc02>, fla...@verizon.net says...
> >
> > On 19-Feb-2008, dreadnought <dread...@NoSPAM.com> wrote:
> >
> > > n article <47bab6d6$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, adsl...@tpg.com.au says...
> > > > A Jewish person that I know told me that in the Jewish religion
> > > > alcohol
> > > > consumption is permissible, but only in moderation - that is the
> > > > person
> > > > is
> > > > not allowed to become drunk - Is this correct - Regards
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
> > >
> > > No.
> >
> > It's not a blanket no - it's closer to yes, actually.
>
> Okay give me some quotes to show this?
>

My first thought is to ask you for some quotes, but,
then again, I don't mind giving you some.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/581082/jewish/What-is-Judaisms-take-on-alcohol-consumption.htm

This pretty much says what the OP says: you can drink, but don't
get very drunk [except for Purim]:

[begin quote]

" Wine's ability to bring joy is because it relaxes our inhibitions and
weakens the body's natural defenses. This "weakening of the body" allows the
soul to shine through. After taking a l'chaim one is more easily inspired,
because the body offers less resistance. This obviously applies only when
one drinks in moderation, and on special, holy occasions in an attempt to
make them a bit more festive and to introduce an inspirational ambiance.

On the other hand, getting drunk in order to escape responsibilities we have
to ourselves, to our families, and to those around us, is highly
destructive. A person who is in an "escapist" mode is a dangerous person,
because very often he is also escaping many of the rules that he would be
wise to follow.

On the practical side, we are forbidden to pray while drunk and priests were
not allowed to serve in the Holy Temple whilst drunk. Even today, priests
may not bless the congregation after having even a single glass of wine."

[end quote]


> > >
> > > Judaism is permissive concerning alcohol use although generally Jews
> > > disapprove of hedonistic drinking with one major exception and that is
> > > Purim although many like my wife are weak on that day and use grape
> > > juice.
> >
> > This actually does not totally contradict what the OP supposed -
> > Judaism does not approve of drunkenness - Purim is the exception
> > which proves the rule in both senses of the word.
> >
>
> Not quite Purim is the day it is encouraged

How can you say "not quite" when I was agreeing w/you?

At any rate, here is a more detailed version of the Purim dictum:

http://hillel.myjewishlearning.com/holidays/Purim/TO_Purim_Home/Meal_407/adloyada.htm

Susan

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