What is Goyim?
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>I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
Goyim is a Hebrew word meaning "Nations"
Amen Selah,
Israel Tekhelet
Any love that depends on a specific cause, when that cause is gone, the love is
gone; but if it does not depend on a specific cause, it will never cease.
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Triple Lutz
"Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
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> I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
From www.dictionary.com:
goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
n. Offensive pl. goy·im (goim) or goys
Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.
From www.m-w.com
Main Entry: goy
Pronunciation: 'goi
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural goy·im /'goi-&m/; also goys
Etymology: Yiddish, from Hebrew gOy people, nation
Date: 1841
sometimes disparaging : GENTILE 1
- goy·ish /'goi-ish/ adjective, sometimes disparaging
Note "disparaging". Don't let people whitewash the complete definition on
you.
Sara
Anonymous User <anon...@remailer.havenco.com> wrote:
> "Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
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> > I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Goyim is a slang term that Yids call Gentiles. It means sub-human i.e.
> cattle.
>
>
No it doesn't, idiot. It means not Jewish. It has nothing to do with
sub-human. That's a phrase you Nazis use.
Sara
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we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic git."
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Triple Lutz
"Sara" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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> In article <d40bf7926916fc78...@remailer.havenco.com>,
> Anonymous User <anon...@remailer.havenco.com> wrote:
>
> > "Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
> > news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
> > > I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Goyim is a slang term that Yids call Gentiles. It means sub-human i.e.
> > cattle.
> >
> >
>
> No it doesn't, idiot. It means not Jewish. It has nothing to do with
> sub-human. That's a phrase you Nazis use.
It is often used in an insulting or disparaging context.
Susan Cohen
Space Ghost wrote:
> I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
Goyim is a word that means "nations".
It has come to be used almost exclusively to mean
"collective noun for non-Jews", but the actual translation
is "nations". In fact the original use of it was for the Jews -
we are called "goy" - a nation - in the Torah.
Susan
Susan Cohen
Triple Putz wrote:
> "Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
> news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
> > I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
Please note the the following are English dictionaries,
not Hebrew dictionaries. To get the meaning of a
Hebrew word, go to a Hebrew dictionary, or someone
who at least speaks Hebrew.
> From www.dictionary.com:
>
> goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
> n. Offensive pl. goy·im (goim) or goys
> Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.
This dictionary is seriously screwed.
Obviously not written by Jews, or anyone else who
actually knows what the word means.
> From www.m-w.com
>
> Main Entry: goy
> Pronunciation: 'goi
> Function: noun
> Inflected Form(s): plural goy·im /'goi-&m/; also goys
> Etymology: Yiddish, from Hebrew gOy people, nation
> Date: 1841
> sometimes disparaging
Yes, sometimes. Like thw word "Jew" is also used sometimes disparagingly.
> : GENTILE 1
> - goy·ish /'goi-ish/ adjective, sometimes disparaging
>
> Note "disparaging".
Like the word "Jew".
> Don't let people whitewash the complete definition on you.
IOW, don't let the truth interfere with the bigotry Triple Putz is
trying so desperately to spread. The word/s mean/s "nation/s", period.
Susan
David Gehrig
>
> "Sara" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> news:catamont-A086F0...@news.concentric.net...
>> In article <d40bf7926916fc78...@remailer.havenco.com>,
>> Anonymous User <anon...@remailer.havenco.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
>> > news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
>> > > I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > Goyim is a slang term that Yids call Gentiles. It means sub-human i.e.
>> > cattle.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> No it doesn't, idiot. It means not Jewish. It has nothing to do with
>> sub-human. That's a phrase you Nazis use.
>
> It is often used in an insulting or disparaging context.
So is "Democrat."
--
@%<
KpoT
>
> So is "Democrat."
LOL
well for some other people, so is "Republican" too -)
--
~much respect,
Igor
Susan Cohen
Sara wrote:
> In article <d40bf7926916fc78...@remailer.havenco.com>,
> Anonymous User <anon...@remailer.havenco.com> wrote:
>
> > "Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
> > news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
> > > I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Goyim is a slang term that Yids call Gentiles. It means sub-human i.e.
> > cattle.
> >
> >
>
> No it doesn't, idiot. It means not Jewish.
Well, that's how it's used, but what it means is "nations".
(You're forgetting the Torah where the Jews themselves
are refered to as goy - a nation.)
> It has nothing to do with
> sub-human. That's a phrase you Nazis use.
Only to pretend to themselves that *they* *aren't* subhuman.
Susan
Sara
<usenet_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Sara" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> news:catamont-A086F0...@news.concentric.net...
> > In article <d40bf7926916fc78...@remailer.havenco.com>,
> > Anonymous User <anon...@remailer.havenco.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
> > > news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
> > > > I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Goyim is a slang term that Yids call Gentiles. It means sub-human
> > > i.e.
> > > cattle.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > No it doesn't, idiot. It means not Jewish. It has nothing to do with
> > sub-human. That's a phrase you Nazis use.
>
> It is often used in an insulting or disparaging context.
>
"Often"? Have you conducted a poll?
Patrick Keenan
"David Gehrig" <zem...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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For that matter, so is "Republican".
-pk
>
> --
> @%<
KpoT
>
> For that matter, so is "Republican".
Thanks for repeating what I have just said a few minutes ago -)
--
~much respect,
Igor
KpoT
>
> For that matter, so is "Republican".
Thanks for repeating what I have just said a few minutes ago -)
news:3C7EEFF9.83AC8E99%40no.no
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Confederate
> "Sara" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> news:catamont-A086F0...@news.concentric.net...
>
>>In article <d40bf7926916fc78...@remailer.havenco.com>,
>>Anonymous User <anon...@remailer.havenco.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
>>>news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
>>>
>>>>I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Goyim is a slang term that Yids call Gentiles. It means sub-human i.e.
>>>cattle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>No it doesn't, idiot. It means not Jewish. It has nothing to do with
>>sub-human. That's a phrase you Nazis use.
>>
>
> It is often used in an insulting or disparaging context.
subsitute the word Goyim with the word nigger and apply it. That is what
Jews mean when they use that word. Exactly the same type of bigotry.
Confederate
> In article <d40bf7926916fc78...@remailer.havenco.com>,
> Anonymous User <anon...@remailer.havenco.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
>>news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
>>
>>>I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Goyim is a slang term that Yids call Gentiles. It means sub-human i.e.
>>cattle.
>>
>>
>>
>
> No it doesn't, idiot. It means not Jewish. It has nothing to do with
> sub-human. That's a phrase you Nazis use.
>
> Sara
It means non-Jewish or something that isn't chosen by God. It has
everything to do with Jews thinking Gentiles are less than human because
they are not chosen of God. It is equal to whites calling blacks niggers.
KpoT
>
> subsitute the word Goyim with the word nigger and apply it. That is what
> Jews mean when they use that word. Exactly the same type of bigotry.
bull. shit.
--
~much respect,
Igor
Confederate
> In article <vTBf8.10634$E11....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, "Triple Lutz"
> <usenet_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Sara" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
>>news:catamont-A086F0...@news.concentric.net...
>>
>>>In article <d40bf7926916fc78...@remailer.havenco.com>,
>>>Anonymous User <anon...@remailer.havenco.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
>>>>
>>>>>I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Goyim is a slang term that Yids call Gentiles. It means sub-human
>>>>i.e.
>>>>cattle.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>No it doesn't, idiot. It means not Jewish. It has nothing to do with
>>>sub-human. That's a phrase you Nazis use.
>>>
>>It is often used in an insulting or disparaging context.
>>
>>
> "Often"? Have you conducted a poll?
>
> Sara
>
>
Sara can't deal with the answer and turns to put downs and smears.
Confederate
> Confederate wrote:
>
>>subsitute the word Goyim with the word nigger and apply it. That is what
>>Jews mean when they use that word. Exactly the same type of bigotry.
>>
>
> bull. shit.
>
>
Explain how it is different? Both are putdowns of another group.
Triple Lutz
> In article <vTBf8.10634$E11....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, "Triple Lutz"
> <usenet_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Sara" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> > news:catamont-A086F0...@news.concentric.net...
> > > In article <d40bf7926916fc78...@remailer.havenco.com>,
> > > Anonymous User <anon...@remailer.havenco.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
> > > > news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
> > > > > I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Goyim is a slang term that Yids call Gentiles. It means sub-human
> > > > i.e.
> > > > cattle.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > No it doesn't, idiot. It means not Jewish. It has nothing to do with
> > > sub-human. That's a phrase you Nazis use.
> >
> > It is often used in an insulting or disparaging context.
> >
> "Often"? Have you conducted a poll?
Yes.
BlackMonk
> >
> > goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
> > n. Offensive pl. goy·im (goim) or goys
> > Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.
>
> This dictionary is seriously screwed.
> Obviously not written by Jews, or anyone else who
> actually knows what the word means.
>
Not to take his side, but an English dictionary is a perfectly good source
for the definition of a word that originated in Hebrew but has become part
of the English languague. IOW, it doesn't tell you what it means in Hebrew,
but it tells you what English speakers mean when they use the word.
> > From www.m-w.com
> >
> > Main Entry: goy
> > Pronunciation: 'goi
> > Function: noun
> > Inflected Form(s): plural goy·im /'goi-&m/; also goys
> > Etymology: Yiddish, from Hebrew gOy people, nation
> > Date: 1841
> > sometimes disparaging
>
> Yes, sometimes. Like thw word "Jew" is also used sometimes disparagingly.
>
> > : GENTILE 1
> > - goy·ish /'goi-ish/ adjective, sometimes disparaging
> >
> > Note "disparaging".
>
> Like the word "Jew".
>
Note how the word "sometimes" appears in all the above.
The way I look at it is that whoever does use it as an insult isn't speaking
as a Jew, they're speaking as a jerk.
Triple Lutz
"Susan Cohen" <fla...@hers.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Triple Putz wrote:
>
> > "Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
> > news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
> > > I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
>
> Please note the the following are English dictionaries,
> not Hebrew dictionaries. To get the meaning of a
> Hebrew word, go to a Hebrew dictionary, or someone
> who at least speaks Hebrew.
Susan, the word is not limited to the Hebrew language today, i.e. you can
and do hear it spoken by people who don't know a word of Hebrew. The word
is part of the English language, for better or worse, and like certain
French words, it has been subsumed; its use is documented in English
dictionaries, like the one which I quoted from above. It may only mean
"Nation" in Hebrew but that is NOT it's only meaning in English. This
newsgroup contains posts which are 99.9% English, thus the relevancy.
>
> > From www.dictionary.com:
> >
> > goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
> > n. Offensive pl. goy·im (goim) or goys
> > Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.
>
> This dictionary is seriously screwed.
> Obviously not written by Jews, or anyone else who
> actually knows what the word means.
>
> > From www.m-w.com
> >
> > Main Entry: goy
> > Pronunciation: 'goi
> > Function: noun
> > Inflected Form(s): plural goy·im /'goi-&m/; also goys
> > Etymology: Yiddish, from Hebrew gOy people, nation
> > Date: 1841
> > sometimes disparaging
>
> Yes, sometimes. Like thw word "Jew" is also used sometimes disparagingly.
Nice try and very much a Red Herring; the issue is the word Goy - nobody is
debating whether "Jew" is sometimes used disparagingly.
>
> > : GENTILE 1
> > - goy·ish /'goi-ish/ adjective, sometimes disparaging
> >
> > Note "disparaging".
>
> Like the word "Jew".
Red Herring #2.
>
> > Don't let people whitewash the complete definition on you.
>
> IOW, don't let the truth interfere with the bigotry Triple Putz is
> trying so desperately to spread. The word/s mean/s "nation/s", period.
Strawman #1. You're truly pathetic.
>
> Susan
>
>
>
Triple Lutz
"David Gehrig" <zem...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Red Herring.
>
> --
> @%<
Jasper P.N.L. Manufacturing, Limtd.
> "Americans have different ways of saying things. They say "elevator",
> we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic git."
> Alexai Sayle.
Brits have a different way of saying things.
They say 'petrol', we say 'gasoline'.
They say 'bonnet', we say 'hood'.
They say 'boot', we say 'trunk'.
They say 'patriot', we say 'pasty-faced inbred Crown-worshipping wanker
sods'.
Jasper
Triple Lutz
This TOTALLY IGNORES the English definition of the word, which in both
www.m-w.com and www.dictionary.com recognizes its "vulgar" and "disparaging"
use. Fortunately, nobody has to take my word for it, they can simply go and
look it up themselves. But I'm sure you hack up another red-herring net
phlegm ball to "prove" your point.
Triple Lutz
"BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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>
> > >
> > > goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
> > > n. Offensive pl. goyim (goim) or goys
> > > Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.
> >
> > This dictionary is seriously screwed.
> > Obviously not written by Jews, or anyone else who
> > actually knows what the word means.
> >
>
> Not to take his side, but an English dictionary is a perfectly good source
> for the definition of a word that originated in Hebrew but has become part
> of the English languague. IOW, it doesn't tell you what it means in
Hebrew,
> but it tells you what English speakers mean when they use the word.
Aw, you ruined it! I wanted to see another one of her infamous red
herrings! LOL
>
>
> > > From www.m-w.com
> > >
> > > Main Entry: goy
> > > Pronunciation: 'goi
> > > Function: noun
> > > Inflected Form(s): plural goyim /'goi-&m/; also goys
> > > Etymology: Yiddish, from Hebrew gOy people, nation
> > > Date: 1841
> > > sometimes disparaging
> >
> > Yes, sometimes. Like thw word "Jew" is also used sometimes
disparagingly.
> >
> > > : GENTILE 1
> > > - goyish /'goi-ish/ adjective, sometimes disparaging
> > >
> > > Note "disparaging".
> >
> > Like the word "Jew".
> >
>
> Note how the word "sometimes" appears in all the above.
>
> The way I look at it is that whoever does use it as an insult isn't
speaking
> as a Jew, they're speaking as a jerk.
But that wasn't the question. The issue was the meaning, the English
meaning (we are all speaking English in this thread, no?) of the word.
>
>
>
>
>
Roger
in message <3C7EF22E...@1865.net>,
>>>"Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
>>>news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
>>>>I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
>It means non-Jewish or something that isn't chosen by God.
No, it means simply nations. It is used in the Bible to refer to the
Jews themselves
<snip bigotry attempting to be justified from a false premise>
Paul Abeles
Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.
[Yiddish, from Hebrew gôy, Jew ignorant of the Jewish religion, non-Jew.]
goy'ish adj.
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Triple Lutz
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:14:52 GMT,
> in message <3C7EF22E...@1865.net>,
> someone claiming to be Confederate wrote:
>
> >>>"Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
> >>>news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
>
> >>>>I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
>
> >It means non-Jewish or something that isn't chosen by God.
>
> No, it means simply nations. It is used in the Bible to refer to the
> Jews themselves
"Simply"? Um, no. According two every dictionary I own, and every one I
know of online, that's incorrect.
Jasper P.N.L. Manufacturing, Limtd.
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
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>
> No, it means simply nations. It is used in the Bible to refer to the
> Jews themselves
>
Book, chapter, and verse, bitte?
Danke
Larry R
Roger
in message <VpDf8.118$0H...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
Well, according two (sic) those dictionaries, what is the main
definition?
And tell us a term which describes any group of people smaller than
the entire human race which *cannot* be used in an insulting or
disparaging context?
BlackMonk
> >
> > The way I look at it is that whoever does use it as an insult isn't
> speaking
> > as a Jew, they're speaking as a jerk.
>
> But that wasn't the question. The issue was the meaning, the English
> meaning (we are all speaking English in this thread, no?) of the word.
>
But it isn't the english meaning. I know plenty of people who speak english
and who use it purely as a descriptive term. As Susan said, the word "Jew"
isn't inherently derogatory, but some people use it as an insult anyway.
Those people are also jerks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
BlackMonk
>
> This TOTALLY IGNORES the English definition of the word, which in both
> www.m-w.com and www.dictionary.com recognizes its "vulgar" and
"disparaging"
> use. Fortunately, nobody has to take my word for it, they can simply go
and
> look it up themselves. But I'm sure you hack up another red-herring net
> phlegm ball to "prove" your point.
>
You're misusing the word "the" here. That implys that there's no definition
other than the disparaging use you're referring to. However, the definitions
you provided included the word "sometimes" which indicates that there's also
a non-disparaging meaning.
BlackMonk
From Websters:
Goy: n. pl Goyim or goys [Yiddism, fr. Heb gy people nation]:
Gentile -goyish adj.
No mention of any derogatory connotation here.
Paul Abeles
Susan doesnt understand, being a convert, or she is a liar.
"Goy" [plural: goyim, adjective: goyishe] is the standard Hebrew term for
non-Jew. Literally it is the Hebrew for "nation." Spoken aloud with a
disgusted inflection, it's pejorative. So is the word 'Jew' in similar
circumstances. Better to say "gentile" or "non-Jew" when writing in English
for a multireligious audience, such as SCJ. In general, the use of
judgemental or pejorative terms, even if no offense is intended, should be
avoided. They only serve to incite anger and side-track the conversation.
True conversation comes from being factual and appropriately neutral.
In the phrase "shabbos goy"--a gentile who does things for Jews on
Shabbos--it is neutral, yet when refusing to do something for someone by
saying "I'm not your shabbos goy", it carries a derogatory tinge.
Some also suggest avoiding the term "Marrano", which means "pig". Depending
on the intended meaning, the terms "Sephardic" or "Crypto-Jew" are more
appropriate.
http://www.shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTML/faq/index.html
Triple Lutz
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
> On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 04:26:29 GMT,
> in message <VpDf8.118$0H...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
> someone claiming to be Triple Lutz wrote:
>
> >"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
> >news:ilvt7ugnt338i7qi5...@4ax.com...
>
> >> On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:14:52 GMT,
> >> in message <3C7EF22E...@1865.net>,
> >> someone claiming to be Confederate wrote:
>
> >> >>>"Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
>
> >> >>>>I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
>
> >> >It means non-Jewish or something that isn't chosen by God.
>
> >> No, it means simply nations. It is used in the Bible to refer to the
> >> Jews themselves
>
> >"Simply"? Um, no. According two every dictionary I own, and every one I
> >know of online, that's incorrect.
>
> Well, according two (sic) those dictionaries, what is the main
> definition?
(sic)? LOL. (typo).
...anyway, the www.dictionary.com states:
"goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
n. Offensive pl. goyim (goim) or goys
Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew."
Seems pretty obvious that one of the main meanings, if not the original, is
as a disparging word for Gentiles.
>
> And tell us a term which describes any group of people smaller than
> the entire human race which *cannot* be used in an insulting or
> disparaging context?
Red herring. The English definition of the word includes meanings OTHER
than just "Nations".
Steven Mock
Genesis 12:2, 17:4-6, 46:3
Exodus 19:6
Deuteronomy 4:6, 26:5
... to name a few.
Steven Mock
--
"Nobody objects to the truth being written and published, but free
speech does not include the right to peddle vicious lies for profit."
- David Irving
<http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/books/Guttenplan/SMH0609101.html#note>
Triple Lutz
That's funny, my Websters says the following:
goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
n. Offensive pl. goy·im (goim) or goys
BlackMonk
"Paul Abeles" <abe...@nospam.bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Well, that's simply wrong. As has been pointed out numerous times in this
thread. The Hebrew doesn't mean non-Jew, and "Jew ignorant of the Jewish
religion" isn't what the word means in any language. Now I know what
dictionary not to use.
BlackMonk
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
I often use "the entire human race" in an insulting or disparaging context.
Triple Lutz
>
> > >
> > > The way I look at it is that whoever does use it as an insult isn't
> > speaking
> > > as a Jew, they're speaking as a jerk.
> >
> > But that wasn't the question. The issue was the meaning, the English
> > meaning (we are all speaking English in this thread, no?) of the word.
> >
>
> But it isn't the english meaning. I know plenty of people who speak
english
> and who use it purely as a descriptive term.
The fact that a person may not use one of several meanings (as defined in a
dictionary) for the word "Goyim" does not somehow change the fact that the
word *has* several meanings. That was the point of the original question,
which was:
"I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?"
It doesn't say "what is *a* meaning", or "give me the first meaning
listed..." or "only tell me what you think it is", or "forget about the
politically incorrect meanings that you really don't want to be reminded
of".
>As Susan said, the word "Jew"
> isn't inherently derogatory, but some people use it as an insult anyway.
> Those people are also jerks.
Nobody said "inherently". Please reread the thread.
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
BlackMonk
"Triple Lutz" <usenet_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:wXDf8.145$0H...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
We've already established that it isn't solely used as as disparaging term,
so if that's the definition in its entirety, there's something wrong with
your Websters.
BlackMonk
>
> "I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?"
>
> It doesn't say "what is *a* meaning", or "give me the first meaning
> listed..." or "only tell me what you think it is", or "forget about the
> politically incorrect meanings that you really don't want to be reminded
> of".
>
But that's what you did. You only gave one meaning for the word.
>
> >As Susan said, the word "Jew"
> > isn't inherently derogatory, but some people use it as an insult anyway.
> > Those people are also jerks.
>
> Nobody said "inherently". Please reread the thread.
>
So, it isn't necessarily derogatory. Then why are you insisting that it is?
Triple Lutz
Red Herring. Hey, this is fun. It's like, how many times will people like
you try to sweep the truth under the lexical carpeting? Your response is
yet another attempt at linguistic revisionism. For those who want the
*full* meaning, it's there for you to look up yourselves, without all the
sarcastic whitewashing from people like Susan Cohen.
>
>
Triple Lutz
Two things....about the "the", I've indicated that there are *multiple*
meanings of the word. And two,
you do not see "sometimes" listed at www.dictionary.com:
Triple Lutz
>
> "Triple Lutz" <usenet_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:wXDf8.145$0H...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> >
> > "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:a5n1nu$8p3s4$2...@ID-133514.news.dfncis.de...
> > >
> > > From Websters:
> > > Goy: n. pl Goyim or goys [Yiddism, fr. Heb gy people nation]:
> > > Gentile -goyish adj.
> > >
> > > No mention of any derogatory connotation here.
> >
> > That's funny, my Websters says the following:
> >
> > goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
> > Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.
> >
>
> We've already established that it isn't solely used as as disparaging
term,
> so if that's the definition in its entirety, there's something wrong with
> your Websters.
www.dictionary.com says this also. And even assuming that "sometimes"
should be in the "correct" definition, that still implies that another
definition of the word, which is "sometimes" used. I can slice and dice
your point here a million ways and the bottom line is still the bottom
line - people, like Susan, who pretend the word is limited to neutral
definition, or a single definition, are fools or lying to themselves.
>
>
Clandestine Ops
The following N.Y. Times article mentions the attack orthodox khazars
perpetrated against Palestinians on the Jewish "Shavuot" holiday.
But the main focus of the article is the attack by the orthodox khazars
against liberal khazars (who are termed "Conservative and Reform"). Note the
headline: "...Assault Other Jews..."
If the N.Y. Times was honest the headline would read, "Israelis Launch
Pogrom Against Palestinians," but the whole terminology ("pogrom,
concentration camp, war crime, holocaust") has become a liturgical
phenomenon of Jewish theology and hence cannot be applied to anyone other
than the Holy People without violating a taboo, which the N.Y. Times, which
benefits from the sacerdotal aura of mystification which surrounds the
Shoah-business ("Shoah" is the Jewish theological term for the holohoax), is
not wont to do. (There's no business like Shoah business).
At least one snippet of truth sneaked through the Pharisees' filters
however, the fact of a most interesting Talmudic equation (the orthodox
khazars are hardcore Talmudists) of Nazis=Christians=whores=goyim (i.e.
non-Jews).
However, the fact is, the orthodox Israelis launched a pogrom against
Palestinians, beating them en masse and destroying their vehicles (such
pogroms against Palestinians are a routine occurrence in occupied Palestine)
and this should have been the chief focus of the article.
At least one snippet of truth sneaked through the Pharisees' filters
however, the fact of a most interesting Talmudic equation (the orthodox
khazars are hardcore Talmudists) of Nazis=Christians=whores=goyim (i.e.
non-Jews).
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Patrick Keenan
Actually, it's quite possibly not a Webster's. Note the marked similarity
to the results at
http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=goyim
Based on the American Heritage dictionary as noted in the attribution.
goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
n. Offensive pl. goy·im (goim) or goys
Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.
And here's the rest of it:
[Yiddish, from Hebrew gôy, Jew ignorant of the Jewish religion, non-Jew.
See gwy in Semitic Roots.]
goyish adj.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth
Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
--------------------------------------------------
Poor research, I'd say.
-pk
BlackMonk
> www.dictionary.com says this also. And even assuming that "sometimes"
> should be in the "correct" definition, that still implies that another
> definition of the word, which is "sometimes" used. I can slice and dice
> your point here a million ways and the bottom line is still the bottom
> line - people, like Susan, who pretend the word is limited to neutral
> definition, or a single definition, are fools or lying to themselves.
>
Since you pretend the word is limited to a single definition, which are you?
Clandestine Ops
Gentiles
are "goyim" (meaning cattle or beast). The following are shocking but exact
...
"Triple Lutz" <usenet_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Clandestine Ops
jew-loving gentiles
out there, had no clue as to what it meant, and still few do to this day.
...
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>
Roger
in message <jqDf8.88$Tb82.6...@news2.randori.com>,
someone claiming to be Jasper P.N.L. Manufacturing, Limtd.
wrote:
>"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
>news:ilvt7ugnt338i7qi5...@4ax.com...
>> No, it means simply nations. It is used in the Bible to refer to the
>> Jews themselves
>Book, chapter, and verse, bitte?
Isaiah 2:4, for example
BlackMonk
>
> "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:a5n1fc$8mjlc$1...@ID-133514.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > >
> > > This TOTALLY IGNORES the English definition of the word, which in both
> > > www.m-w.com and www.dictionary.com recognizes its "vulgar" and
> > "disparaging"
> > > use. Fortunately, nobody has to take my word for it, they can simply
go
> > and
> > > look it up themselves. But I'm sure you hack up another red-herring
net
> > > phlegm ball to "prove" your point.
> > >
> >
> > You're misusing the word "the" here. That implys that there's no
> definition
> > other than the disparaging use you're referring to. However, the
> definitions
> > you provided included the word "sometimes" which indicates that there's
> also
> > a non-disparaging meaning.
>
> Two things....about the "the", I've indicated that there are *multiple*
> meanings of the word. And two,
> you do not see "sometimes" listed at www.dictionary.com:
>
Since there are non-disparaging meanings of the word, that indicates that
www.dictionary.com isn't a reliable source.
KpoT
>
> I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
Ok, to make it really short and clear?
There is a spanish word GRINGO, which to Latinos is the exact equivalent
of what GOY means to Jews, which contrary to what some people would want
you to believe, isn't derogatory at all.
GOY to Jews = GRINGO to Latinos.
--
~much respect,
Igor
Clandestine Ops
... a Master has said: Heathens prefer the cattle of Israelites to their own
wives ... Jew
is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings. And you think the
...
"Steven Mock" <sm...@nizkor.org> wrote in message
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Clandestine Ops
(impudence). An example (according to Encyclopedia Judaica) is the
son,
who killed his parents and then turned to the synagogue fund for
relief as
an orphan! Goy (pl.Goyim): A condescending jewish designation for
non-jews. According to the Talmud synonymous with "cattle". IHR
(Institute
for Historical Review) The institute of the historical revisionists in
the
U.S.A.. It publishes books, edits the Journal of Historical Review and
arranges conferences. It has been subjected to repeated harassment and
Triple Lutz
>
> >
> > "I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?"
> >
> > It doesn't say "what is *a* meaning", or "give me the first meaning
> > listed..." or "only tell me what you think it is", or "forget about the
> > politically incorrect meanings that you really don't want to be reminded
> > of".
> >
>
> But that's what you did. You only gave one meaning for the word.
Incorrect. I listed two, count 'em, two online definitions. One, includes
the word "sometimes" (I believe you yourself even pointed this out) and the
definition also says:
"Etymology: Yiddish, from Hebrew gOy people, nation"
>
> >
> > >As Susan said, the word "Jew"
> > > isn't inherently derogatory, but some people use it as an insult
anyway.
> > > Those people are also jerks.
> >
> > Nobody said "inherently". Please reread the thread.
> >
>
> So, it isn't necessarily derogatory. Then why are you insisting that it
is?
I'm insisting that there *is* more than one definition and that the
"disparaging" one is almost never mentioned here. And, the ones who do
mention it, which is a perfectly legitimate thing to point out, are
immediately branded "Nazis" or "Bigots", which is a disgrace and blaintantly
revisionistic and misrepresentative of the English language.
>
>
Steven Mock
<ranting snipped>
> Goy (pl.Goyim): A condescending jewish designation for
> non-jews. According to the Talmud synonymous with "cattle".
Really, let's examine this shall we:
Genesis 12:1-2: "Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy
country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land
that I will sheow thee. And I will make of thee a great cow"
Or how about Exodus 19:5-6: "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice
indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto
me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me
a kingdom of priests, and a holy cow."
Isaiah 2:4: "And he shall judge among the cattle, and shall rebuke many
cows: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears
into pruninghooks: cattle shall not lift up sword against cattle,
neither shall they learn war any more."
Kinda puts a new spin on the Bible, doesn't it?
Triple Lutz
Wrong. I have said it has multiple meanings. How long do you want to play
this game?
>
>
Triple Lutz
"Patrick Keenan" <pkee...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:a5n29i$8jm7d$1...@ID-133514.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > "Triple Lutz" <usenet_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:wXDf8.145$0H...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> > >
> > > "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:a5n1nu$8p3s4$2...@ID-133514.news.dfncis.de...
> > > >
> > > > From Websters:
> > > > Goy: n. pl Goyim or goys [Yiddism, fr. Heb gy people nation]:
> > > > Gentile -goyish adj.
> > > >
> > > > No mention of any derogatory connotation here.
> > >
> > > That's funny, my Websters says the following:
> > >
> > > goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
> > > Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.
> > >
> >
> > We've already established that it isn't solely used as as disparaging
> term,
> > so if that's the definition in its entirety, there's something wrong
with
> > your Websters.
> >
>
> Actually, it's quite possibly not a Webster's. Note the marked
similarity
> to the results at
> http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=goyim
>
> Based on the American Heritage dictionary as noted in the attribution.
>
>
> goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
> Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.
>
>
> And here's the rest of it:
>
> See gwy in Semitic Roots.]
>
> goyish adj.
> Source: The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth
> Edition
> Copyright 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> Poor research, I'd say.
I typed in www.websters.com, and it resolved to www.dictionary.com, which is
a privately held company. So I apologize for any confusion. However, that
doesn't mean the definition is invalid and it doesn't necessarily mean it
wasn't taken from a dictionary of the caliber of Websters, if not Websters
itself.
Either way, it supports my point, which is that the word HAS multiple
definitions, INCLUDING one that you NEVER hear about here in SCJ (except by
all the "nazis" and "bigots" who apparently like to read dictionaries.
>
> -pk
>
>
Triple Lutz
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
All this is red herring and whether intentional or not, diverts attention
away from the original quesiton and issue, which is, what does Goyim mean.
Well, duh! The dictionary says it means several things, INCLUDING a
disparaging or vulgar usage. It's all there, in black and white. you can
read it at www.dictionary.com, and www.m-w.com. please don't tell me you
think BOTH these dictionaries have been infiltrated by "nazis" or "bigots"!
BlackMonk
Not much longer, I'm getting bored.
I must have missed where you said it had multiple meanings though.
> >
> >
>
>
Triple Lutz
Fine, in that case, merriam websters is good enough for me, and that STILL
backs up my point.
>
>
> > goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
> > n. Offensive pl. goyim (goim) or goys
Triple Lutz
"KpoT" <n...@no.no> wrote in message news:3C7F106F...@no.no...
Well, it's not GRINGOS to the people at www.m-w.com. You can take it up
with them, if you really want to.
>
> --
> ~much respect,
> Igor
BlackMonk
However, the fact that it got the meaning of the Hebrew completely wrong
does suggest that it wasn't taken from a dictonary of the caliber of
Websters.
> Either way, it supports my point, which is that the word HAS multiple
> definitions, INCLUDING one that you NEVER hear about here in SCJ (except
by
> all the "nazis" and "bigots" who apparently like to read dictionaries.
>
I'd look for stronger support if I were you.
Triple Lutz
I started off adding to that which has been repeated on SCJ many times (i.e.
the "Nations" definition) but then later in the thread, I also pointed out
the inclusion of this "Nations" reference in one of the two definitions I
posted. I also made reference to the dual meanings to clarify my position.
I am not a "bigot" nor am I a "nazi". I find people, like Susan, who would
malign people for citing an English definition, despicable. And I find
people who would attempt to blur an English word to a more narrowed biased
singular meaning to be misrepresenting the English language and spreading
disinformation.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Clandestine Ops
several parts of the Talmud. We are signing to the choir we need to be
signing to the world.
"Triple Lutz" <usenet_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Confederate
news:jqDf8.88$Tb82.6...@news2.randori.com...
>
> "Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
> news:ilvt7ugnt338i7qi5...@4ax.com...
>
> >
> > No, it means simply nations. It is used in the Bible to refer to the
> > Jews themselves
> >
>
> Book, chapter, and verse, bitte?
>
>
None found in the KJV, the real Bible.
However, the Jewish NIV Joshua 12:23
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/niv.jpg
"the king of Dor (in Naphoth Dor [1] ) one the king of Goyim in Gilgal one
http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=JOSH+12:23&language=english
&version=NIV-IBS&showfn=on&showxref=on
BlackMonk
> > > Wrong. I have said it has multiple meanings. How long do you want to
> > play
> > > this game?
> > >
> >
> > Not much longer, I'm getting bored.
> >
> > I must have missed where you said it had multiple meanings though.
>
> I started off adding to that which has been repeated on SCJ many times
(i.e.
> the "Nations" definition) but then later in the thread, I also pointed out
> the inclusion of this "Nations" reference in one of the two definitions I
> posted.
Actually, you dismissed the nations definition as being Hebrew and not
English.
I also made reference to the dual meanings to clarify my position.
> I am not a "bigot" nor am I a "nazi". I find people, like Susan, who
would
> malign people for citing an English definition, despicable. And I find
> people who would attempt to blur an English word to a more narrowed biased
> singular meaning to be misrepresenting the English language and spreading
> disinformation.
>
Funny, that's exactly what you've seemed to be doing in this thread. Whether
you have or not is between you and your conscience.
>
>
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Triple Lutz
"Clandestine Ops" <wese...@fbi.gov> wrote in message
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> They have to deny the real meaning it is their religion and it is covered
in
> several parts of the Talmud. We are signing to the choir we need to be
> signing to the world.
CO - I can play it anyway "they" want it. For every "bigot" term, taped as
it is to a big glowing neon sign reading "RED HERRING", I can throw back the
actual definition, the English definition, in "their" face. At the end of
the day, I've got a dictionary to prove my point, and all they have is
biased revisionism and linguistic butchery.
BlackMonk
> > They have to deny the real meaning it is their religion and it is
covered
> in
> > several parts of the Talmud. We are signing to the choir we need to be
> > signing to the world.
>
> CO - I can play it anyway "they" want it. For every "bigot" term, taped
as
> it is to a big glowing neon sign reading "RED HERRING", I can throw back
the
> actual definition, the English definition, in "their" face.
"The"definition? Don't you mean "a" definition?
Triple Lutz
> > > >
> > > > Wrong. I have said it has multiple meanings. How long do you want
to
> > > play
> > > > this game?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Not much longer, I'm getting bored.
> > >
> > > I must have missed where you said it had multiple meanings though.
> >
> > I started off adding to that which has been repeated on SCJ many times
> (i.e.
> > the "Nations" definition) but then later in the thread, I also pointed
out
> > the inclusion of this "Nations" reference in one of the two definitions
I
> > posted.
>
> Actually, you dismissed the nations definition as being Hebrew and not
> English.
According to both sources that I've already cited, ad nauseum, it seems to
be the case - i.e. that part of the definition was listed under "etymology".
I'm not dismissing anything. I'll go on record right now as saying, sure,
"nations" is as much a part of the definition as the others listed there, as
I've heard the ratio of pejorative uses to the "nations" use about 10:1 in
popular culture, media and newsprint, yet I also cede that "nations" is the
origin or historical anchor of the word. But again, I come full circle -
there are two meanings, Susan Cohen is wrong, and so is anybody who insists
"Goyim" doesn't have a "sometimes vulgar or offensive" usage.
>
> I also made reference to the dual meanings to clarify my position.
> > I am not a "bigot" nor am I a "nazi". I find people, like Susan, who
> would
> > malign people for citing an English definition, despicable. And I find
> > people who would attempt to blur an English word to a more narrowed
biased
> > singular meaning to be misrepresenting the English language and
spreading
> > disinformation.
> >
>
> Funny, that's exactly what you've seemed to be doing in this thread.
Whether
> you have or not is between you and your conscience.
I posted links to underscore where I got my defintion from. Period. Take
it or leave it. If there's any blur going on here, I'd chalk it up to all
the sad, sad red herrings and strawmans FLYING all over the place from
people who insist it means just "nation". And if you're one of these
people, then I'm sorry to say that is on YOUR conscience.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
KpoT
trust me, GOY is the EXACT EQUIVALENT OF "GRINGO"
if @m-w claim something contrary, well then its their problem, but the
fact is see above
--
~much respect,
Igor
Clandestine Ops
Evelyn Kaye. The best book on Jewish hatred of 'goyim' is "Jewish History,
Jewish Religion," by Israel Shahak.
The best information on the Jewish supremacist hate literature known as
Talmud may be found in our web pages at:
http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudtruth.html
"Triple Lutz" <usenet_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uQEf8.11013$E11....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
Triple Lutz
Exactly. "A" definition - the one that people are trying to whitewash and
forget about. The other definition is warmly accepted.
>
>
>
>
Triple Lutz
"KpoT" <n...@no.no> wrote in message news:3C7F1BDE...@no.no...
That's rediculous dude. I just checked three dictionaries, hard bound,
physical dictionaries. NONE have anything REMOTELY close to this moronic
analogy.
>
> --
> ~much respect,
> Igor
KpoT
Its THE PERFEECT ANALOGY. GOY = GRINGO
And btw, after I came up with this analogy, I looked up Google "goy
gringo" and this is what I found, and its perfect:
Although the term “Goy” can be used in an offensive way to refer to a
non-Jew, it is not inherently offensive. The term
“Gringo” is analogous
–it is the term that many Mexicans and other Latin
Americans apply to
Americans. It may or may not be used offensively and
is not offensive
in origin. There is a dispute about the origin of the
term “goy”, whether
it is from the word for “nation” or another source.
But it is not from any
inherently offensive root word.
--
~much respect,
Igor
Roger
in message <9VDf8.144$0H....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
>"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
>news:jj1u7ukhf5nroik1e...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 04:26:29 GMT,
>> in message <VpDf8.118$0H...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
>> someone claiming to be Triple Lutz wrote:
>> >"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
>> >news:ilvt7ugnt338i7qi5...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:14:52 GMT,
>> >> in message <3C7EF22E...@1865.net>,
>> >> someone claiming to be Confederate wrote:
>> >> >>>"Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
>> >> >>>news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
>> >> >>>>I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
>> >> >It means non-Jewish or something that isn't chosen by God.
>> >> No, it means simply nations. It is used in the Bible to refer to the
>> >> Jews themselves
>> >"Simply"? Um, no. According two every dictionary I own, and every one I
>> >know of online, that's incorrect.
>> Well, according two (sic) those dictionaries, what is the main
>> definition?
>(sic)? LOL. (typo).
Nup. Flat out misspelling.
>...anyway, the www.dictionary.com states:
>
> "goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
>n. Offensive pl. goyim (goim) or goys
> Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew."
>
>Seems pretty obvious that one of the main meanings, if not the original, is
>as a disparging word for Gentiles.
Yes, well, Mirriam-Webster Online www.m-w.com says:
Main Entry: goy
Pronunciation: 'goi
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural goy·im /'goi-&m/; also goys
Etymology: Yiddish, from Hebrew gOy people, nation
Date: 1841
sometimes disparaging : GENTILE 1
Note the etymology.
Also note that Mirriam Webster is generally acknowledged as a more
authoritative source than the American Heritage dictionary, which
Dictionary.com is "based on" -- means additional editing beyond what
Houghton Mifflin did. And who did that editing? The site seems to be
silent on that point...
>> And tell us a term which describes any group of people smaller than
>> the entire human race which *cannot* be used in an insulting or
>> disparaging context?
>Red herring. The English definition of the word includes meanings OTHER
>than just "Nations".
There * is * no english word goyim. There is a Yiddish word in use in
English speaking countries -- there is a difference. And it means
nations. And like any other term for a subset of the human race, can
and has been used as derogatory.
Triple Lutz
"KpoT" <n...@no.no> wrote in message news:3C7F1DDD...@no.no...
> Americans apply to
> Americans.
>It may or may not be used offensively and
> is not offensive
Tada! And there it is, "may" "used" "offensively". Not "only" "used"
"nation"
.
>
> --
> ~much respect,
> Igor
Clandestine Ops
Issue No. 17, October 1984
Knocking The Key Weapon
From Out Of
The Enemy's Hands
Let us realize our Tremendous Potential on
Utilize our Weapons to the Utmost.
Throughout history warring factions have sought to gain advan-
tage over their enemies by having superior weapons with which to
rout and destroy the enemy. The goal has been to get the
"ultimate" weapon first, and then keep it out of the hands
of the enemy.
If keeping it out of the enemy's hands is not possible, (and usually
it is not) then the idea is to keep the weapon from the enemy at least
as long as possible, and in the meantime develop even more deadly
weapons of destruction.
This, then, has consciously been the strategy of mankind ever
since man emerged out of the caves with club in hand. Although the
change in weaponry evolved slowly in ancient times, nevertheless,
it changed significantly from time to time, from clubs to spears, too
bows and arrows, to cavalry, chariots, to gunpowder and artillery,
to tanks and aircraft, to rocketry and an up to the deadly hydrogen
bomb of today, the latter being considered the "ultimate" weapon.
The premise of having weapons superior to that of the enemy
and keeping such superior weapons out of the enemy's hands, is,
of course strategically sound, as history has proved countless times.
When the White Man arrived in America with musketry and horses,
the inferior Indian with his bows and arrows and on foot was no match
for the White Man, and of course, it was not only the difference in
weaponry in which the White Man was superior.
When the Hyksos arrived in Egypt with chariots and horse at
about the 18th century B.C.E., they easily conquered the amazed
Egyptians. However, the Egyptians soon caught on and soon began
to utilize the same weapons, and the wheel had come to Egypt. A
few centuries later, they drove the Hyksos out.
When Bismarck and Kaiser Wilhelm confronted the Austrians
at Koeniggratz (the Battle of Sadow) in 1866 with breech loading
rifles to the Austrians' muzzle loaders, the engagement became a
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wholesale slaughter - of the Austrians.
When the United States dropped the atomic bomb on "Hiroshima
and Nagasaki in 1945, that war was over. (It had really been over
six months, earlier, but the U.S. ignored and kept secret the
fact that the Japanese tried to surrender and sue for peace.
Evidently the Jews wanted to continue the slaughter of
American boys as long as possible).
We can, of course, cite innumerable other examples of inven-
tions on one side, and cloak and dagger methods with which to either
obtain the secrets from the other side, or prevent the enemy from
getting their hands on the new technology. All kinds of fascinating
spy stories, mysteries and cloak and dagger tales have emerged from
even the great war (WWII) about the Norden bomb sight, about radar
technology, about V-1 and V-2 rockets and about our continued
saturation bombings of the research center where the Germans were
trying to develop their first atomic bomb, and our own overwhelm-
ing secrecy in the development of that bomb.
In every case of advancing weaponry and technology, the White
Man was by far the leading, the outstanding innovator, if in fact,
not the only contender in the field. Not only was the White Man the
leader in the field, but, strangely enough, as recent history has
so dramatically demonstrated, the White Race was also the
leading victim of his own brilliant technology. The White
Man's greatly superior weapons were in each case turned
against the White Race itself, and only the White Race could,
and did, kill millions of other members of nature's finest.
In short, the White Race engaged in a frantic race to forge superior
weapons, the ultimate weapons of destruction in order that it could
kill its own faster, more effectively, and probably even wipe itself
the face of the earth.
What a monstrosity! How did such an idiotic, suicidal, horrible
situation come about? Especially, how did Nature's Finest, Nature's
most intelligent, the Inventor of all this technology and the creator
of all civilizations, get boxed into such an unbelievable dilemma?
We Creators have the answer to that question. The Jews ac-
complished all this through their DIVIDE and CONQUER techni-
que, using nationalism as the main divisive factor, as well as
any one of several other issues, such as religion, language, etc. But
there is another overriding factor, there is another ultimate weapon
that is as old as history itself that the enemy has relentlessly employed
against the White Race, and until now has moved heaven and earth
to keep it out of the hands of the White Race itself.
That ultimate weapon is the RACIAL IDEA COMBINED
WITH THE B-BOMB. Once the White Race grasps this
ultimate weapon into its own powerful and capable hands,
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our enemies will shortly be wiped out, and they know it on-
ly to well. That is why they have left no stone unturned and
unceasingly bombarded us with the B-bomb (brain bomb)
to the point of over saturation. The idea they have unceasingly
and relentlessly inundated us with is that WHITE RACISM is evil,
evil, evil; Jewish racism is great! Black racism is wonderful. Hispanics
have every right to exercise THEIR civil rights, to band together,
violate and flout our immigration laws and flood the White Man's
domain with their hungry hordes. The Vietnamese have "rights", the
Jamaicans have rights, the Cubans have rights, and the Indians, too,
poor things, have their inalienable rights. Ah yes, and when we speak
of those decrepid relics of the stone age we must respectfully talk
about Indian "braves", the "noble" red man and how the despicable
and sneaky White Man lied and cheated him and his "nations" out
of his lands: That is what the Jewish press says we must say and
the White Man collaborates and babbles such inanities not unsimilar
to the way a conditioned Pavlovian dog does his trained act.
But what about the White Man? What about the White Race?
Does it have any rights in this greatest land on the face of the earth?
A land, a civilization and an empire built by the White Man's own
illustrious Ancestors? Do we have any rights to even voice our
opinions?
Hell no! Didn't you know that Judaism has decreed that White
Racism is the most heinous evil to ever be conceived by the mind
of man? It must be purged. It must be attacked, smeared, slandered,
disgraced and expunged from the face of the earth! Such a power-
ful onslaught have the Jews launched over the years against
the White race's ever organizing itself and realizing its own
potential that race mixing (although never spelled out into
a law) has now become not only the most fanatically pur-
sued goal of this (and preceding) administrations, but it has
now actually become the state religion of the formerly White
Man's United States. Every law, every court decision, every ser-
mon from the pulpit is now directed to promote race mixing. We must
race mix! Race mix with all deliberate speed until the White Man
is expunged and exterminated. This, then, has become the unwrit-
ten but pervading official religion of this once great America that
our own glorious ancestors built!
All right, so there we have it. There lies the dire secret right
out there in front of the White Man's eyes, right out there in the open
for every man to see. The stupid niggers can see it and understand
it, so do the lowly Mexicans and so does every other minority. Only
the White Man is blind as a bat, and cannot, or will not, see it. Only
the White Race seems conditioned to shun and ignore this powerful
combination of the RACIAL IDEA and the B-BOMB.
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But now the Church Of The Creator sees it, understands it, and
has it. We now have it all put together, comprehensive, com-
plete consistent,, in a fervent racial religion. It is called
CREATIVITY. We are now determined to blare it out to the world
to promote the hell out of it until every White Man sees it, understands
it, grasps it and makes it his very own. Actually we have been
preaching it from the very beginning of Creativity. RACIAL LOYAL-
TY, the name of the paper you are now holding in your hands is THE
VERY heart of the idea.
The Church Of The Creator is determined to implement- the solu-
tion totally and with finality and not just wallow in the problem as
do most other DEPLORE AND LAMENT discussion societies.
How are we going to implement the racial idea combined with
the B-bomb? That, too, is very basic and easy to understand. With
are going to promote it in the same way as every other idea and move-
ment has been promoted. The only difference is we will do it with
more urgency, more fervor and a great deal more reason than has
any cause that has ever been conceived in the history of mankind
Nothing, but nothing, is more vital, more important than the sur-
vival of Nature's Finest - the White Race.
This is where you come in. How much do you care? You know
what to do (Read again "Spreading the Good Word" in issue No. 14
16. Read again all of issue No. 10 about becoming an Ordained
Minister of the Church, about how to form your own church group.
Read again about "Dispersion and Polarization" in issue No. 14.
So now let's go to work. When you realize what the miserable
Jew, a small, despicable minority, has been able to do with these
weapons, imagine what the White Race, still 500 million strong, can
do with these same weapons. Let us grasp the impact of this ultimate
weapon and change the world forever - and make it a beautiful place
for the White Race to live, to love and to prosper.
* * * * *
Nature has never read the Declaration of In-
dependence. It continues to make us unequal.
* * * * *
Let us permit Nature to have her way; she
understands her business better than we do.
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How To Overcome
The Real Haters
Undoubtedly the most persistent and the most vicious haters of
all time have been the Jews. The Talmud is full of it, their whole
religious creed is founded upon it, and the survival of their race is
based upon the theory that the strongest cement binding together
an organization, any organization, is to have a common enemy.
Whom have the Jews selected as their enemy? To make sure
they never run out of hatred, all "Gentiles" are their enemies. This
means, in fact, that all the peoples of the world who are not Jews
are their enemies. The Talmud repeatedly restates this
premise and furthermore derogates non-Jews into the
category of animals, to be denounced, to be deceived, lied
to, killed and destroyed. According to the teaching of the Talmud,
the most sacred of all their holy books, all non-Jews are "gois", or
"goyim", which means animals, and any property they may possess
rightfully belongs to Jews. Any treacherous act in stripping the
"goyim" is considered fair and square and is condoned by the code
of the Talmud.
The exercise of these ground rules is further reinforced by
teaching the Jews from early childhood to hate the goyim, that they
are evil and a threat to their own survival.
This Jewish creed has been in existence for thousands of years.
The Jews have avidly pursued this course with a fanaticism that
knows no bounds, and have harbored an intense, pathological hatred
for all goyim with a vengeance. But their fiercest hate is, and has
been reserved for the White Race, especially the Romans of Ancient
history, and the Germans of today. The Jew's motto always has
been, and is today, "Always kill the best first".
So complete a monopolistic stranglehold do the Jews hold on
the worldwide propaganda machinery that only a few of the honest
students of history are aware of this sinister situation. So thoroughly
confused and programmed is the average goy yokel that he or she
will join with their destroyers and hate and denounce those few
courageous fighters that will even so much as investigate, or look
into, or talk about this strange historic phenomena.
The Jews have honed to a sharp edge many of the weapons at
their disposal, and one that they have become most expert at is tur-
ning the tables on their accusers. Their motto in this connec-
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tion is to ACCUSE THE ACCUSER. In short, accuse their enemies
of the very thing they themselves are doing, but do it first, do it louder
and more blatantly than any campaign their enemies might be able
to muster.
There are thousands of historic examples of this, going back as
far as the history of Ancient Egypt, in which the Jews through the
monopolization of the grain and food of the Egyptians, managed
to enslave them. When the Egyptians finally realized this and drove
them out en masse, the Jews turned the tables on them and claimed
(a) the Egyptians enslaved them, and (b) wouldn't them leave,
until, of course, Moses (a historical fiction) and their ever-loving
Jehovah (a Fictious concept) came to their rescue and led them out
of Egypt to the consternation of the Egyptians. Since they, not the
Egyptians, wrote the Old Testament, and subsequent history as well,
that double lie persists as an accepted fact the gullible
goyim even to this day.
About half a century ago the Germans under the leadership of
Adolf Hitler, finally realized the full depth of the Jewish conspiracy,
and tried to get the Jewish monkey oH their back. They united on
a national scale and broke the power of the Jews in Germany.
However, so powerfully entrenched was the Jewish financial and pro-
paganda network that they enveigled the rest of the White world to
come to their (the Jews) rescue, and to destroy the Germans. This
they succeeded in doing with a vengeance and no sooner was that
phase completed when the Jews immediately turned on their rescuers
to undermine and destroy them.
They then again aimed for the destruction of the best
first, namely Great Britain, and above all, the United States,
both of whom they held in the palm of their hands.
Since we who live in the United States and are White are now
the number one target for destruction you might wonder how do
the Jews go about getting the hateful White goyim to help them, the
Jews, destroy their enemy the White American?
It is very simple, and they employ the same historic tried
and true stratagems they utilized against the Egyptians.
(a) Accuse the Accuser, and (b) destroy the first best.
Having unlimited monopoly of the propaganda machinery in the
United States (and the world), having complete control of the TV
networks, the news wires, the newspapers, radio, and every other
mechanism, the Jews turn on the heat. Any goyim who dares to so
much as mention their obvious program of hate and destruction is
immediately braned as a hater. And we should all hate a hater,
shouldn't we?
So how do we Creators, who are in the forefront of ex-
posing the sinister Jewish conspiracy defend ourselves
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against this kind of tactic?
Well, we must first of all face a few basic facts of life and drive
them home to our White Racial Comrades whom we are trying to
save from genocide, and whose mutual help we must enlist to save
ourselves and, in fact, the total White Race. These realities are:
1. The Jews know exactly what their deadly game is and that
they must proceed at full speed, and destroy their enemy (Principal-
ly the White Race) before we catch on, and destroy them. Therefore,
it is pointless to argue with them, try to persuade them to ameliorate
or mend their ways, or any other means of conciliation. The Jews
are hell bent on the destruction of the White Race and nothing will
divert or deter them. Our only hope, our only solution, is to
render them harmless so they cannot now or ever in the
future again threaten the survival and well-being of the
White Race. But forget any solution through conciliation, bargain-
ing, coming to terms by means of understanding, or any similar
shibboleths.
2. Our efforts at persuasion, recruiting and enlightenment must
be directed at our own White Racial Comrades where the real pro-
blem and also the real solution lies. We must bring home to our White
brothers and sisters the magnitude of the sinister conspiracy the
diabolical designs of the Jewish perpetrators on the future of their
own lives and those of future White generations. We must enlighten
them that the only hope of survival and a viable future is to
build! build! build! A powerful White movement, a White
Racial religion such as CREATIVITY that has the goal and
the means of sweeping our enemies before us like a huge
tidal wave, and that are that we must again wrest control of the White
Man's destiny into our own capable hands.
To provide some of the tools to help persuade our White Racial
Comrades, we come back to the question that constituted the heading
of this article, namely how do we overcome the Jewish accusation
that we are the haters, the only haters, and therefore the real culprits?
Well, since the Jewish propaganda networks are so pervasive
and all-encompassing this is not easy, not for any lack of argument
or evidence, but because of the sheer massiveness of the Jewish pro-
paganda apparatus. But through tenacity, aggressiveness and sheer
hard work we can overcome it. Here are some of the questions and
arguments we can advance with which to awaken our White Racial
Comrades:
1. Is hating your enemies a good thing or is it bad?
2. If it is bad to hate under any circumstances, then is it a
bad to hate a Nazi?
3. Do the Jews hate Nazis?
4. Do you hate Nazis? Do you hate Hitler?
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5. If it is alright to hate Nazis and to hate Hitler, and what's
fair for the goose is fair for the gender, isn't it then also justifiable
for the Germans to retaliate and hate the Jews?
6. Have you ever wondered why the Jews have been hated by
nearly all nations of the world at one time or another to the point
where they were driven out of their land? (See Creative Credo No.
35, "Unrelenting Warfare Between the parasitic Jews and their Un-
fortunate Victims" in The White Man's Bible.)
7. Do you believe that It is a sensible idea to love your enemies
(Man. 5:44) and to hate your father and mother, brothers and sisters
(Luke 14:26) and hate your own kind?
8. Did you know that the Jewish Talmud, which is considered
by the Jews as being their most sacred religious text (even above
the Old Testament) is full of hate for all peoples?
9. Did you know that the foundation of the Jewish religion is
hatred, and their cohesiveness is built upon that very hatred for all
goyim?
10. Is it alright to try to defend yourself against a person or a
group that has designs upon your destruction?
11. Is it possible for you or your race to survive without defen-
ding yourself/itself?
12. In real life, is it possible to fight a battle for survival without
hating your enemy?
13. Would you be utterly unconcerned if this country
became 90 per cent black, 5 per cent White and was con-
trolled by a tightly organized Jewish network?
14. If you realized such was happening would you do anything
to avert It?
15. Just what would you do and where would you start?
16. Is it alright to hate someone if they hated you first?
17. If so, the Jews are the world's oldest and most persist
haters, as is evidenced both by the Old Testament, the Talmud and
their history. Would you care to ignore this fact, or do you think it
bears looking into?
18. If your mother or sister were attacked, would you defend
them?
19. Would you love their attacker or would you show signs of
hatred and anger while you defended them? (If you have the guts to
do so.)
20. Do you think it is alright to defend the White Race if some
other race, or coalition of races ganged up on the White Race and
worked and plotted for its destruction?
21. If it came to a showdown between the niggers and the
Whites, what side, if any, would you choose?
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22. if it came to a showdown between the Jews and the White
Race, what side, if any, would you choose?
23. If it came to a battle for survival between the White Race
on the one hand, and the Jews, niggers and mud races in coalition
against it, which side, if any, would you choose?
24. If you had to choose between Christianity and the survival
the White Race, what side, if any, would you choose?
25. Do you believe that the Jews are to be commended for giv-
ing their first -loyalty to their own race?
26. Do you approve of the idea of blacks practicing RACIAL
LOYALTY?
27. Do you believe the White people should also have equal
rights in practicing RACIAL LOYALTY towards their own race?
28. Do you realize that your White ancestors consistently prac-
ticed RACIAL LOYALTY for thousands of years, and if they did not,
you would be a mongrelized mulatto today?
29. Would you perhaps rather be black, or a mulatto, than
White?
30. Would you like to see your sister marry a nigger? If not, why
not?
31. If your mother were widowed, would you like to see her
remarry a nigger? If not, why not?
32. Is there any county In the U.S. that is predominantly black,
that you would like to live in?
33. Is there any country in the world that is predominantly black,
say, like Haiti, you would like to live in?
34. Would you like to live in the middle of Harlem, and if so,
how long do you think you could survive?
There are many more similar questions we could devise, and
undoubtedly you yourself could think of many more. The main idea
in our thesis is this:
1. Our real problem is not overcoming the Jew and the
mud people, but straightening out the confused and
scrambled thinking of our own Jew-programmed White
Racial Comrades. These are the people we must work on and work
with. It is the White people we must enlighten and bring to their
senses. It is the White people, our own White brothers and sisters,
we must bring to their senses, that we must instill a feeling of racial
pride and loyalty, that we must organize. There lies the solution -
not with convincing the Jews or the niggers, or any other mud races.
So let us not waste our time and energy in misdirection.
In order to bring the issue of hate into proper perspective Read
again Creative Credo No. 62 in The White Man's Bible entitled "love
and Hate".
In order to enlighten and organize our White racial brethren we
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must do the following:
1 . Have a powerful all-encompassing racial creed that the White
Race can and must polarize around. This we have now.
2. Build a propaganda network of our own that will overshadow
and overpower the present Jewish stranglehold. Why not? We can
do it! We have the intelligence, we have the numbers, we have the
customers, the advertisers, the producers and the energy to do the
job. All we need is leadership, direction and dedication. Our
periodical, RACIAL LOYALTY is the spearhead in building a vast
and powerful transmission belt for the spreading of WHITE IDEAS.
All we have to do now is build! build! build! and work like hell. This
means your participation and dedication. Help expand the subscrip-
tions of our periodical RACIAL LOYALTY to the limits of your
resources.
3. Help promote White racial schools and programs such as our
SCHOOL. FOR GIFTED BOYS. Help make this the seedbed of a
vast network of education, training and enlightenment for the benefit
of the White Race. Donate to our cause. It's your cause.
4. Promote White Racial Loyalty. Talk it, preach it, disseminate
literature, leaflets and flyers in its behalf. Think White. Practice White
Racial Teamwork. Help build a Whiter and Brighter World.
The alternative is black, very black. Think about it. Do
something about it. HELP BUILD A WHITER AND BRIGHTER
WORLD.
* * * * *
Only by facing reality, no matter how grim,
can the White Race free itself from the Jewish
vampire.
* * * * *
If the White Race is ever to revert back to
sanity, Christianity will HAVE TO GO. To again
regain its sanity, it will first have to dump
Christianity.
* * * * *
Creativity is the mighty Wave of the Future.
* * * * *
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The following article appeared tn the Miami Herold:
WHAT A FRIEND
WE HAVE IN JESUS
In Colorado Springs this week, a federal judge threw out a
million dollar lawsuit filed by a cuckolded husband against a Roman
Catholic priest who had an affair with plaintiffs wife during the course
of marital counseling. The judge ruled that litigation could not con-
stitutionally be pursued because it violated the priest's "FREE EX-
ERCISE OF RELIGION."
Moral of the story: If you are a Minister of the Cloth, you
really have clout!
* * * * *
We neither want to impress you nor enter-
tain you. We want to inspire you to become a mili-
tant activist.
* * * * *
Starting with a polyglot society that is sick
and degenerate, we CREATORS are determin-
ed to build a Whiter and Brighter World. Your
dedication will make it possible.
* * * * *
It is our unswerving and sacred GOAL TO
place 10 million White Man's Bibles IN THE
hands of our White Racial Comrades. Once we
have accomplished that much the war against the
Jews, niggers and mud peoples will be as good
as over, and it will be the best bargain the White
Race will ever have invested in. Help bring it
about! Do your part.
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Our Autistic World
The Supreme Importance of being able to distinguish
between Reality and Fantasy.
Last Christmas my daughter gave me a small wall calendar that
had a unique feature about it. To help my vocabulary there was
new and uncommon word presented for each and every day of the
year. Along with it was the definition of the word, also an exemplary
usage in a sentence. I found that even at my age an old dog can learn
new tricks, or at least add new words to his vocabulary.
The other day the word "autistic" came up, and although I was
aware of its meaning as applied to autistic children, the definition
"having the tendency to fulfill one's needs by fantasies, unmindful
of objective reality" gave me pause for reflection that it is not just
a rare child that suffers from this affliction.
autistic
(" tis' tik) adj. Psychol. having the
tendency to fulfill one's needs by
fantasies, unmindful of objective
reality
The autistic child didn't acknowledge the world around him.
Thursday
August 30
1984
Looking at the mess the world Is in today, and how a diversity
of polyglot people are trying to cope with an impossible mess they
don't understand, or better stated, trying to escape from coping with
reality I came to the conclusion that probably more than 99 percent
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of the more than 5 billion people living on this planet today have
advanced symptoms of being autistic.
1. One of the most alarming phenomena of this present "now"
generation is the ballooning increase in the use and abuse of
drugs of all kinds. This varies from smoking pot, sniffing cocaine,
injecting heroin with a needle into the "mainliner", sniffing "angel
dust", and a whole variety of other outright dangerous and addic-
tive drugs that confuse, maim, paralyze and kill. Florida U.s. Senator
Paula Hawkins made the statement to the effect that there is hardly
a public school in the United States today where the children above
the fourth grade have not been subjected to drugs, and, in many
schools it is out of control and in flagrant abuse.
This is a terrible indictment of our present society and especial-
ly of "our" public schools. How did we get into such a horrible situa-
tion and why do so many children (and adults) take to drugs?
It is a long story, but let us first examine the WHY of the
situation.
Despite all the modern conveniences of "civilization", despite
nearly 2000 years of Jewish Christianity, despite welfare and anti-
poverty programs and all the rest - people today are living in a
highly confused, artificial world. It is a polyglot world in which every
individual feels alienated, a world in which they feel they are not at
home, but an alien living amongst pluralistic aliens. People are vastly
confused, they are without hope and without direction. This applies
to all peoples of the world, whether they be niggers, Arabs, Hindus,
Indians or mongrels of other breeds such as Mexicans. But it applies
especially to the one and only race with which we Creators are con-
cerned, namely the White Race.
The White Man of today finds himself living in an alien world
that is rapidly closing in on him. He is living in a Jew-dominated
culture that is repugnant to him, but he cannot put his finger on it
as to WHY. He does not understand it. As the Jew Marcus Eli Ravage
said, "We have imposed upon you an alien book (the Jewish bible
and an alien faith which you cannot swallow, or digest, which is at
cross-purposes with your native spirit, which keeps you everlasting-
ly ill at ease, and which you lack the spirit to either reject or accept
in full." See "Confessions of a Jew" Creative Credo No. 43, Page 286
of the White Man's Bible.)
The Jews have done so indeed. But starting nearly two thou-
sand years ago with Jewish Christianity, they have steadily pursued
their warfare against the White Race relentlessly, as I hove expound-
ed further in the article "Unrelentless Warfare Between The Parasitic
Jews And Their Unfortunate Victims" starting on page 6 of this paper.
Jewish Christianity was the mighty, massive mind-bender that pro-
vided the breakthrough for the Jews to get a handle on the White
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Man's mind and destiny. But it did not stop there.
Since the Jews have aggressively taken control of the finances
of the world, they have seized a monopoly of the newsmedia, televi-
sion, films, radio and the book publishing business; music and the
"arts", If they can still be called such; control our government without
so much as a challenge; either have their hand in almost every Gen-
tile religion or are the prime instigators of it, or both: and worst of
all, they have pervaded and prostituted the White Man's culture. All
this they have done and are accelerating without the overwhelming
majority of the White Race even realizing or admitting that this is so.
This is why I can say without reservation: 99 percent of the
White race are living in a dream world, an unreal fool's
paradise. They are AUTISTIC, unable or unwilling to face
reality. They are also, by and large, extremely confused, and unhap-
py, living on the edge of hopeless desperation, hardly knowing WHY.
As a result they try a wide variety of escape mechanisms. We
have already cited the widespread resort to drugs. Unfortunately, the
more a person, or a nation, or a race tries to avoid coming to grips
with reality and solving the multitude of problems, the worse the
problems become. The penalties for such cop-outs are usually tragedy
and catastrophe, as witness such recently chronicled deaths of John
Belushi or David Kennedy. Let us cite other forms of escapism than
the indulgence in hard drugs.
2. Alcoholism, of course, is as old as Noah, if not older. It is,
of course, another form of drug abuse, but is more readily condoned
by society and outside of the Prohibition Era, Is legal. There are pro-
bably 150 million Americans who drink, of which about 12 million
are alcoholics, people who have a weakness or affinity for alcohol
which they can no longer control. Their solution to a problem is not
to face it and solve it, but to drown it out with alcohol, thereby
postpone it and add to the problem itself, the very real problem of
alcoholism. The end result of this route is exemplified by the tragic
and miserable death of William Holden and many other celebrities,
as well as millions of nonentities who die in the gutter, unheraled
and unsung.
3. Probably the largest single group of escape artists are
those who indulge in religion as a means of escaping the
realities of the world. Now we Creators do not take the position
that religion is bad in itself. Like the weather, it can be bad or good,
Like fire, it can be extremely useful and beneficial, when for exam-
ple, it heats your home or drives a steam engine; or it can be ex-
tremely destructive, as when, for instance, it burns your house down.
We Creators maintain that like fire, religion is a powerful
force for good or evil - depending on what religion it is,
by whom it is used, and on whom. For example - Judaism has
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been an extremely powerful tool in the hands of the Jews in promoting
the survival and evil influence of their race, whereas Christianity has
been a devastating tool In their hands in crippling and destroying
the White Race, as I have pointed out any number of times.
Be that as it may. Most White people are either partially or whole
ly addicted to, and afflicted with Christianity, and use it as an escape
mechanism from reality. They go to church on Sunday and listen
to the preacher blabber about pie-in-the-sky when they die, and if
you don't believe him you will be barbecued in the fiery pit. They
pray to an unseen spook in the sky, and plead for his "blessings",
blabber about marriages sealed in heaven, about being born again
about going off into orbit in a "rapture", and a lot of other nonsense
that has not the slightest, basis in reality. They are, in fact, indulg-
ing in mass insanity, since the best definition of insanity I know of
is having lost the ability to distinguish between what is real and what
is fantasy. When a whole group of people indulge in a similar fan-
tasy such as heaven, hell, spooks and demons and babble into the
void in unison, then I believe that we can rightfully conclude that
they are indulging in mass insanity.
There are other forms of escapism that are flights of fantasy that
are not based on religion. Children perhaps are prone to do so when
hey believe their dolls are alive and real, or their tin soldiers or their
stuffed teddy bears are alive, and engage them in one-way conversa-
tions. This is not unusual and perhaps part of the growing up pro-
cess. It is when such fantasies, like the alcoholism problem, get out
of hand that they are branded autistic. Such a state is arrived at when
they can no longer be reached and oriented to the real world around
them. This is a mental condition and sometimes it can be remedied,
and sometimes it can lead to total insanity.
But children are not by any means the only ones that indulge
in mental fantasies as an escape. Any number of grown people also
resort to such escapisms. We have read the story of HARVEY. A
few years ago we read about the "Son of Sam" in New York who
claimed that a dog by that name commanded him to murder a
number of people and he did just that over a period of years, until
he was finally caught. This, too, is an extreme form of autism.
5. We now come to that group of people who are not aware of
an overwhelming fact of life in the present-day world - and that fact
is that the Jewish powerhouse controls and enslaves the people of
the world. They are living in a FOOL'S PARADISE and either
will not reconcile their thinking with reality, or fail to understand it.
this group takes in the overwhelming mass of all peoples of the
world, especially those of the White Race. This includes segments
of the White Race that are highly intelligent in other spheres, such
as lawyers, doctors, politicians (?) scientists, educators, journalists
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and the whole spectrum, including (and especially) Christian
Preachers.
I repeat, they are living in a dream world, detached from reali-
ty, and are in the true sense of the word, as previously defined,
autistic.
We Creators believe in facing reality and making a sharp distinc-
tion between what is fantasy and what is real. We also believe in fun
and games and what is called "R & R" in the business world. There
is nothing wrong in Indulging in recreation of one kind or another
as a form of relaxation from work. We Creators especially believe
in living the good Life, the interesting life, and enjoying our stay here
on earth. This recreation can take many forms and may even involve
meandering in the world of fantasy such as seeing a play, or a movie,
or reading fiction, or even reading fairy tales to our children. But
the important distinction is this: treat a fantasy as such but don't
confuse it with reality. As Hypatia, that wonderfully intellectual
woman of Alexandria in the fourth century clearly delineated: "Fables
should be taught as fables, myths as myths, and miracles as poetic
fancies. To teach superstitions as truths is a most terrible thing. The
child-mind accepts and believes them, and only after great pain and
perhaps tragedy can he be in after years relieved of them. In fact,
man will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living truth
- often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get
at it to refute it. but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."
(See Page 310 of the White Man's Bible).
In CREATIVITY we finally have a religion that dispenses with
all the clutter, debris and hogwash that the human race has ac-
cumulated over the ages from its superstitious and primitive Stone
age ancestors. We dump it overboard once and for all and take a
refreshing, honest look at the real world that Nature has presented
to us. We do this for several good reasons (a) It greatly clarifies the
thinking process (b) It rids the mind of a lot of useless, nagging clut-
ter, such as the fear of hell (c) It helps tremendously in solving the
real problems of the world and, believe me, we have plenty of real
big ones to solve. (d) And finally, it is the one and only way we can
stop the Jewish onslaught in its insane obsession to destroy the White
Race. Only by clear thinking, total dedication and racial polariza-
tion can we stave off the final and irreversible disaster that the Jews
have in store for us.
When Adolf Hitler in the 1920's came to the conclusion that none
of the old parties, or even the philosophical underpinnings of the past
could save Germany from the onslaught of Jewish Communism, he
threw all the old trash overboard and started anew. He designed a
completely new political party and philosophy that was geared to
do the job that needed to be done. As we all know, National Socialism
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did do the job extremely well in uniting the German people and clean-
sing the German scene from Jewish influence and manipulation. The
fact that the Jews utilized the awesome might of other White na-
tions that were still under their control to smash Germany from the
outside is another story. The point is that Hitler did cleanse and
rebuild Germany with his new political philosophy and he did an ex-
cellent job of it.
So, too, now we find the whole world in a Jewish chaos, with
this sinister monster zeroing in on the White Race for its total destruc-
tion. None of the old political parties, none of the old philosophies,
or old religions, are up to the job of stopping the steam roller. In
fact, most of them have been enlisted in helping the Jews in their
vicious, sadistic program. We Creators are therefore, like Adolf Hitler
did half a century ago, chucking all the old garbage overboard, star-
ting from square one and have designed a worldwide religion for the
White Race that is capable of doing the job, doing it right, and do-
ing it once and for all. In CREATIVITY we are building the first
genuine RACIAL RELIGION the White Race has ever had.
Just as Hitler succeeded in uniting the German people, it is our deter-
mined goal to unite all the White Peoples of the world into one solid
battering ram with which to smash the Jewish monster. Once the
White Race of the world is united there is no force left to ever again
threaten it, and the battle is over for all time.
We must now all get behind this holy crusade or perish.
CREATIVITY is our last great opportunity. We must (and that means
you!) now polarize around that powerful central core and build and
build. We must put our shoulder to the wheel and promote, we must
propagandize, we must proselytize, we must organize. Let us get with
it!
* * * * *
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
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Triple Lutz
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
If you're dumb enough to believe that, you are beyond hope and no dictionary
in the world will educate you! LOL.
>
> >...anyway, the www.dictionary.com states:
> >
> > "goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
> >n. Offensive pl. goyim (goim) or goys
> > Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew."
> >
> >Seems pretty obvious that one of the main meanings, if not the original,
is
> >as a disparging word for Gentiles.
>
> Yes, well, Mirriam-Webster Online www.m-w.com says:
>
> Main Entry: goy
> Pronunciation: 'goi
> Function: noun
> Inflected Form(s): plural goy·im /'goi-&m/; also goys
> Etymology: Yiddish, from Hebrew gOy people, nation
> Date: 1841
> sometimes disparaging : GENTILE 1
>
> Note the etymology.
Noted. Note the multiple meanings.
>
> Also note that Mirriam Webster is generally acknowledged as a more
> authoritative source than the American Heritage dictionary, which
> Dictionary.com is "based on" -- means additional editing beyond what
> Houghton Mifflin did. And who did that editing? The site seems to be
> silent on that point...
So take your pick. Both indicate a meaning that also includes one DIFFERENT
than "nation"
>
> >> And tell us a term which describes any group of people smaller than
> >> the entire human race which *cannot* be used in an insulting or
> >> disparaging context?
>
> >Red herring. The English definition of the word includes meanings OTHER
> >than just "Nations".
>
> There * is * no english word goyim.
Etymology wise, that's correct. But that doesn't mean it hasn't been
subsumed into the English language. For example:
"raison d'etre" is a French word, but it also has been adopted into the
English language. This is a basic point you must get past in order to
understand even the fundamental point of this entire thread.
Not all Hebrew and not all French have entries in an English dictionary.
Ask yourself why.
> There is a Yiddish word in use in
> English speaking countries -- there is a difference. And it means
> nations. And like any other term for a subset of the human race, can
> and has been used as derogatory.
Bottom line, "Goyim", as used in the United States, has a meaning that
INCLUDES one that "vulgar" or "offensive". I cannot break it down for you
any simpler than that.
Good luck.
KpoT
Look. I never said anything even remotely like "only" "used" "nation",
however what I did say is that GOY = GRINGO (analogy). That's š one.
Two, you are a jew-hater.
Three, fuck off.
--
~much respect,
Igor
KpoT
Look. I never said anything even remotely like "only" "used" "nation",
however what I did say is that GOY = GRINGO (analogy). That's š one.
Numero dos, you are a jew-hating troll.
Three, fuck off.
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Look. I never said anything even remotely like "only" "used" "nation",
Triple Lutz
"KpoT" <n...@no.no> wrote in message news:3C7F2360...@no.no...
You're analogy is dumb, you're dumb, and that's that.
>
> --
> ~much respect,
> Igor
Roger
in message <3c7f0...@corp.newsgroups.com>,
someone claiming to be Clandestine Ops wrote:
<snip bits of flotsam from the keyboard of Clandestine Ops>
>Goy (pl.Goyim): A condescending jewish designation for
>non-jews. According to the Talmud synonymous with "cattle". IHR
>(Institute for Historical Review)
Which, as we all know is *the* source for etymology and usage,
especially of Yiddish.
<snip>
Roger
in message <naEf8.149$0H...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
>"BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
>news:a5n231$8fhvq$1...@ID-133514.news.dfncis.de...
>> "Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
>> news:jj1u7ukhf5nroik1e...@4ax.com...
>> > On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 04:26:29 GMT,
>> > in message <VpDf8.118$0H...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
>> > someone claiming to be Triple Lutz wrote:
>> > >"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
>> > >news:ilvt7ugnt338i7qi5...@4ax.com...
>> > >> On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:14:52 GMT,
>> > >> in message <3C7EF22E...@1865.net>,
>> > >> someone claiming to be Confederate wrote:
>> > >> >>>"Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
>> > >> >>>news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
>> > >> >>>>I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
>> > >> >It means non-Jewish or something that isn't chosen by God.
>> > >> No, it means simply nations. It is used in the Bible to refer to the
>> > >> Jews themselves
>> > >"Simply"? Um, no. According two every dictionary I own, and every one
>> > >I know of online, that's incorrect.
>> > Well, according two (sic) those dictionaries, what is the main
>> > definition?
>> >
>> > And tell us a term which describes any group of people smaller than
>> > the entire human race which *cannot* be used in an insulting or
>> > disparaging context?
>> I often use "the entire human race" in an insulting or disparaging
>> context.
>Red Herring. Hey, this is fun. It's like, how many times will people like
>you try to sweep the truth under the lexical carpeting? Your response is
>yet another attempt at linguistic revisionism.
No, it's an example of humour. Read up on it.
>For those who want the
>*full* meaning, it's there for you to look up yourselves, without all the
>sarcastic whitewashing from people like Susan Cohen.
Hmmn. <checks thread to date> Susan doesn't seems to have contributed
as yet.
Who do we know that currently obsesses about Susan?
Triple Lutz
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
Oh, I see. So this is the "sanctioned" humor, which is presumably ok.
Unlike the "humor" of the troll, neonazi, bigot, etc., variety, which is
not.
That's ok. I actually think its funny. It's funny on a couple levels,
including all these people who just can't bring themselves to admit to the
fact that "Goyim" is used disparagingly.
>
> >For those who want the
> >*full* meaning, it's there for you to look up yourselves, without all the
> >sarcastic whitewashing from people like Susan Cohen.
>
> Hmmn. <checks thread to date> Susan doesn't seems to have contributed
> as yet.
wow, you're right - that's probably a first.
>
> Who do we know that currently obsesses about Susan?
I take issue with being called a bigot for simply citing a definition
mentioned in an online dictionary. If you're implying that I'm obsessing
about her, instead of the absolute gall she has in leveling such a charge at
me, then you're as big a dope as she is.
Roger
in message <cFDf8.1262$0S4.8...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>,
>"Jasper P.N.L. Manufacturing, Limtd." <jasp...@woohoo.net> wrote in message
>news:jqDf8.88$Tb82.6...@news2.randori.com...
>> "Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
>> news:ilvt7ugnt338i7qi5...@4ax.com...
>> > On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:14:52 GMT,
>> > No, it means simply nations. It is used in the Bible to refer to the
>> > Jews themselves
>> Book, chapter, and verse, bitte?
>None found in the KJV, the real Bible.
LOL. Do you *study* how to look foolish, or is it a gift? Tell us,
Donnie: in what languages were the books of the Old testament written?
In the original, does the word "goyim" appear? WHat is the
translation offered by the KJV?
<snip>
Roger
in message <a5n231$8fhvq$1...@ID-133514.news.dfncis.de>,
>"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
>news:jj1u7ukhf5nroik1e...@4ax.com...
>> And tell us a term which describes any group of people smaller than
>> the entire human race which *cannot* be used in an insulting or
>> disparaging context?
>I often use "the entire human race" in an insulting or disparaging context.
LOL You're a very cynical entity, Monk
Roger
in message <UhFf8.11066$E11....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
>> >(sic)? LOL. (typo).
>> Nup. Flat out misspelling.
So, tell us: how can one have *meant* to hit the "O"key and pressed
"W" instead? Or are you using some twisted definition of "typo?"
>> >...anyway, the www.dictionary.com states:
>> >
>> > "goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
>> >n. Offensive pl. goyim (goim) or goys
>> > Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew."
>> >
>> >Seems pretty obvious that one of the main meanings, if not the original,
>> >is as a disparging word for Gentiles.
>> Yes, well, Mirriam-Webster Online www.m-w.com says:
>>
>> Main Entry: goy
>> Pronunciation: 'goi
>> Function: noun
>> Inflected Form(s): plural goy·im /'goi-&m/; also goys
>> Etymology: Yiddish, from Hebrew gOy people, nation
>> Date: 1841
>> sometimes disparaging : GENTILE 1
>>
>> Note the etymology.
>Noted. Note the multiple meanings.
Note the first (main definition) listed.
>> Also note that Mirriam Webster is generally acknowledged as a more
>> authoritative source than the American Heritage dictionary, which
>> Dictionary.com is "based on" -- means additional editing beyond what
>> Houghton Mifflin did. And who did that editing? The site seems to be
>> silent on that point...
>So take your pick. Both indicate a meaning that also includes one DIFFERENT
>than "nation"
No, both indicate a *usage* that's different.
>> >> And tell us a term which describes any group of people smaller than
>> >> the entire human race which *cannot* be used in an insulting or
>> >> disparaging context?
>> >Red herring. The English definition of the word includes meanings OTHER
>> >than just "Nations".
>> There * is * no english word goyim.
>Etymology wise, that's correct. But that doesn't mean it hasn't been
>subsumed into the English language. For example:
>
>"raison d'etre" is a French word, but it also has been adopted into the
>English language. This is a basic point you must get past in order to
>understand even the fundamental point of this entire thread.
>
>Not all Hebrew and not all French have entries in an English dictionary.
>Ask yourself why.
Because they have no *usage* in English. This is a fundamental point
*you* need to get past.
>> There is a Yiddish word in use in
>> English speaking countries -- there is a difference. And it means
>> nations. And like any other term for a subset of the human race, can
>> and has been used as derogatory.
>Bottom line, "Goyim", as used in the United States, has a meaning that
>INCLUDES one that "vulgar" or "offensive". I cannot break it down for you
>any simpler than that.
Yes -- as *every* descriptive noun for *any* subset of the human race
includes such usage.
Roger
in message <sDFf8.11158$E11....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
Where in hell did this come from?
>That's ok. I actually think its funny. It's funny on a couple levels,
>including all these people who just can't bring themselves to admit to the
>fact that "Goyim" is used disparagingly.
Ah! You're finally starting to get it. It is USED that way, just
like almost *every* noun which describes *any* subset of the human
race is used disparagingly. This wasn't the original question,
however, which was what does it *mean* That meaning can then be used
in a derogatory fashion, but the meaning itself is NOT "cattle" is NOT
"unchosen of God" IS simply "nations"
>> >For those who want the
>> >*full* meaning, it's there for you to look up yourselves, without all the
>> >sarcastic whitewashing from people like Susan Cohen.
>> Hmmn. <checks thread to date> Susan doesn't seems to have contributed
>> as yet.
>wow, you're right - that's probably a first.
So why bring her up? Can you point to any sarcastic whitewashing
which I have done? Then why bring it up?
>> Who do we know that currently obsesses about Susan?
>I take issue with being called a bigot for simply citing a definition
>mentioned in an online dictionary.
1. You seem to be confused about the difference between definition and
usage. They are not the same.
2. <checks thread to date> Unless you have posted under more than one
nym, no one has called you a bigot.
>If you're implying that I'm obsessing
>about her, instead of the absolute gall she has in leveling such a charge at
>me, then you're as big a dope as she is.
But you don't see that in order to have leveled such a charge, she
would have had to have contributed to this thread? And that your
reaction above absent such a contribution suggests such an obsession?
Adam Littman
>Sara saideth:
>> In article <d40bf7926916fc78...@remailer.havenco.com>,
>>
>>
>>>"Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
>>>news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
>>>
>>>>I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>cattle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No it doesn't, idiot. It means not Jewish. It has nothing to do with
>> sub-human. That's a phrase you Nazis use.
>>
>> Sara
>
>
>It means non-Jewish or something that isn't chosen by God. It has
>everything to do with Jews thinking Gentiles are less than human because
>they are not chosen of God. It is equal to whites calling blacks niggers.
No, though judging from your stated e-mail, you probably have lots of
experience hurling epithets at African-Americans.
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>"Jasper P.N.L. Manufacturing, Limtd." wrote:
>
>> "Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
>> news:ilvt7ugnt338i7qi5...@4ax.com...
>> > On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:14:52 GMT,
>>
>> > Jews themselves
>>
Applied...
>Genesis 12:2, 17:4-6, 46:3
>Exodus 19:6
>Deuteronomy 4:6, 26:5
..denied.
Adam Littman
>On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 04:26:29 GMT,
> in message <VpDf8.118$0H...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
>
>>"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
>>news:ilvt7ugnt338i7qi5...@4ax.com...
>
>>> On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:14:52 GMT,
>>> someone claiming to be Confederate wrote:
>
>>> >>>"Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
>>> >>>news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
>
>>> >>>>I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
>
>
>>> Jews themselves
>
>>know of online, that's incorrect.
>
>Well, according two (sic) those dictionaries, what is the main
>definition?
>
>And tell us a term which describes any group of people smaller than
>the entire human race which *cannot* be used in an insulting or
>disparaging context?
Pheh. Humans!
Triple Lutz
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
As we know, when a word is used a certain way long enough, it becomes a
candidate for inclusion into the language. That's why stuff as seemingly
rediculous as "Doh!" and "Bling Bling" can actually end up in a Websters
dictionary. Again, because it is *used* in some way - the actual word may
or may not have even existed before. For example, "cool" used to be
primarily a description for the temperature of something. Now, we know it
also means somebody is very, well, very "cool". So, you don't have to be so
obtuse, Roger!
While, it is debateable whether "almost *every* noun which describes *any*
subset of race is used disparagingly", what isn't debateable is that there
is no way such a large set of nouns has a "sometimes used disparagingly" or
"vulgar" explicitly stated in its definition, as "Goyim" does. The reason
for this is the recognition, on the part of the linguists, that "Goy" has
been used in the pejorative so many times, as can be seen in literature,
film, print, etc., that it justifies the entry in the definition. You can't
say that about "every noun" describing any subset of ....blah blah blah.
> This wasn't the original question,
> however, which was what does it *mean* That meaning can then be used
> in a derogatory fashion, but the meaning itself is NOT "cattle" is NOT
> "unchosen of God" IS simply "nations"
See above. The usage conveys meaning. Ask anybody whether the word
"Nigger" means:
"a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons"
or "usually offensive: a black person"
Just make sure you ask the right person, first! It's *all* about meaning,
Roger.
>
> >> >For those who want the
> >> >*full* meaning, it's there for you to look up yourselves, without all
the
> >> >sarcastic whitewashing from people like Susan Cohen.
>
> >> Hmmn. <checks thread to date> Susan doesn't seems to have contributed
> >> as yet.
>
> >wow, you're right - that's probably a first.
>
> So why bring her up? Can you point to any sarcastic whitewashing
> which I have done? Then why bring it up?
You're doing it here, whether you admit or not. That's why I bring it up.
>
> >> Who do we know that currently obsesses about Susan?
>
> >I take issue with being called a bigot for simply citing a definition
> >mentioned in an online dictionary.
>
> 1. You seem to be confused about the difference between definition and
> usage. They are not the same.
For all practical purposes, they are. Ask somebody who, unfortunately, has
been on the receiving end of "Goyim" when it was *used* to disparage a
non-Jew. Please ask them whether it really makes a difference.
>
> 2. <checks thread to date> Unless you have posted under more than one
> nym, no one has called you a bigot.
Wrong,
"IOW, don't let the truth interfere with the bigotry Triple Lutz is
trying so desperately to spread. The word/s mean/s "nation/s", period.
Susan"
>
> >If you're implying that I'm obsessing
> >about her, instead of the absolute gall she has in leveling such a charge
at
> >me, then you're as big a dope as she is.
>
> But you don't see that in order to have leveled such a charge, she
> would have had to have contributed to this thread?
You must be blind, I guess.
> And that your
> reaction above absent such a contribution suggests such an obsession?
Nope. By the way, "Nope" means "no".
Adam Littman
>
>"Triple Lutz" <usenet_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> > From Websters:
>> > Goy: n. pl Goyim or goys [Yiddism, fr. Heb gy people nation]:
>> > Gentile -goyish adj.
>> >
>> > No mention of any derogatory connotation here.
>>
>> That's funny, my Websters says the following:
>>
>> goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
>> n. Offensive pl. goy·im (goim) or goys
>> Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.
>>
>
>so if that's the definition in its entirety, there's something wrong with
>your Websters.
Is "American Heritage dictionary" another name for Webster's?
http://www.bartleby.com/61/1/G0210100.html
"NOUN:
Inflected forms: pl. goy·im (goim) or goys
Offensive Used as a disparaging term for one
who is not a Jew.
ETYMOLOGY:
Yiddish, from Hebrew gôy, Jew ignorant of the
Jewish
religion, non-Jew. See gwy in Appendix II.
Adam Littman
>Triple Lutz saideth:
>> "Sara" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
>> news:catamont-A086F0...@news.concentric.net...
>>
>>>In article <d40bf7926916fc78...@remailer.havenco.com>,
>>>Anonymous User <anon...@remailer.havenco.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Space Ghost" <st...@attrition.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:vRzf8.16$iq1....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
>>>>
>>>>>I've heard this word bandied about alot what does it mean ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>cattle.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>No it doesn't, idiot. It means not Jewish. It has nothing to do with
>>>sub-human. That's a phrase you Nazis use.
>>>
>>
>
>subsitute the word Goyim with the word nigger and apply it. That is what
>Jews mean when they use that word. Exactly the same type of bigotry.
Says the man who names himself after the people who tore the country in two so
they could keep their black slaves.
Triple Lutz
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
How could somebody not know how to spell "to" yet know how to spell "two"?
Or, maybe you want to redefine what the word "typo" means yourself?
>
> >> >...anyway, the www.dictionary.com states:
> >> >
> >> > "goy Pronunciation Key (goi)
> >> >n. Offensive pl. goyim (goim) or goys
> >> > Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew."
> >> >
> >> >Seems pretty obvious that one of the main meanings, if not the
original,
> >> >is as a disparging word for Gentiles.
>
> >> Yes, well, Mirriam-Webster Online www.m-w.com says:
> >>
> >> Main Entry: goy
> >> Pronunciation: 'goi
> >> Function: noun
> >> Inflected Form(s): plural goy·im /'goi-&m/; also goys
> >> Etymology: Yiddish, from Hebrew gOy people, nation
> >> Date: 1841
> >> sometimes disparaging : GENTILE 1
> >>
> >> Note the etymology.
>
> >Noted. Note the multiple meanings.
>
> Note the first (main definition) listed.
Note the "GENTILE"
>
> >> Also note that Mirriam Webster is generally acknowledged as a more
> >> authoritative source than the American Heritage dictionary, which
> >> Dictionary.com is "based on" -- means additional editing beyond what
> >> Houghton Mifflin did. And who did that editing? The site seems to be
> >> silent on that point...
>
> >So take your pick. Both indicate a meaning that also includes one
DIFFERENT
> >than "nation"
>
> No, both indicate a *usage* that's different.
What's the practical difference? Either way, if the "usage" is understood
by both parties, it makes no difference.
>
> >> >> And tell us a term which describes any group of people smaller than
> >> >> the entire human race which *cannot* be used in an insulting or
> >> >> disparaging context?
>
> >> >Red herring. The English definition of the word includes meanings
OTHER
> >> >than just "Nations".
>
> >> There * is * no english word goyim.
>
> >Etymology wise, that's correct. But that doesn't mean it hasn't been
> >subsumed into the English language. For example:
> >
> >"raison d'etre" is a French word, but it also has been adopted into the
> >English language. This is a basic point you must get past in order to
> >understand even the fundamental point of this entire thread.
> >
> >Not all Hebrew and not all French have entries in an English dictionary.
> >Ask yourself why.
>
> Because they have no *usage* in English. This is a fundamental point
> *you* need to get past.
Wrong. They do have a 1.) meaning and 2.) usage. As it happens, the
meaning = usage. Is it so hard for your mind to grasp that a word can have
*a* meaning, but *multiple" usages? This is the point that *you* are trying
to base your whole argument on, your raison d'etre, if you will. LOL
>
> >> There is a Yiddish word in use in
> >> English speaking countries -- there is a difference. And it means
> >> nations. And like any other term for a subset of the human race, can
> >> and has been used as derogatory.
>
> >Bottom line, "Goyim", as used in the United States, has a meaning that
> >INCLUDES one that "vulgar" or "offensive". I cannot break it down for
you
> >any simpler than that.
>
> Yes -- as *every* descriptive noun for *any* subset of the human race
> includes such usage.
But *every* such word doesn't list said usages as "vulgar" or "offensive".