60 ways to be a frummie
Harry Weiss
60 ways to appear frum & intellectual
1. Shaved Head (Really frum = Women with shaved
heads)
2. Play with the beard...the more you twirl it
the better!
3. Do the "Thumb Dip" (The lower you dip, the
frummer you look)
4. Whenever quoting a Gemara in order to paskin,
never quote from a Mesechta that has anything to
do with the subject. For example: If the question
is: What bracha do I make on Apple Sauce? Do NOT
quote from Mesechta Brachos (that's too logical),
quote something from Gittin! Always say, "I heard
Rav Feinstein say...", even if you weren't alive
when he was.
5. Always quote "The Rosh Yeshiva". Everyone will
obviously know who you're talking about!
6. Whenever you're quoting someone to prove that
you are right in an argument, always quote a name
that is an acronym (i.e. Rashi, Ramban, etc).
Heck, you can even use your own name, it won't
make a difference! Frum thinking clearly states
that, "if someone is commonly referred to as an
acronym, he must be right!"
7. ***Do NOT do this!!! This is NOT frum!!!***
Bring up a siddur when called up for an aliyah,
and say the brachos on the Torah from it. VERY
not frum.
8. Have tons of children.
9. When davening with a minyan, remember it's
very important to say out loud the first three
(some hold four) words out loud, and then mumble
the rest quietly.
10. ?I don't hold by that Rav."
11. Always call your children by their first TWO
names. i.e. Sara Yehudis, Yisroel Meyer, Pesach
Yehuda, Noach Areyah, Shlomo HaMelech, etc. How
many REAL frummies do you know with only one
first name?
12. Put hebrew dates on everything, and stop
using civil dates altogether.
13. In the supermarket, peer into you neighbors
basket and say, "You eat that type of cheese?".
14. Translate everything you say, everytime you
say it. I.e. Chazal-our sages. This will demean
your listener as uneducated and suggest that he
can't remember the translation from one time to
the next.
15. ***Do NOT do this!!! This is NOT frum!!!***
Sing that uppity NCSY benching tune.
16. Must speak in that annoying Brooklyn accent.
17. Meditation is completely assur. (G-d forbid
you should spiritually become closer to G-d).
18. You should not wear a tie during Shabbos
Mincha.
19. Girls Only: Get the "Bob"/Bais Yaakov haircut
at 18 so everyone will know you're ready to get
married.
20. Learn Gemara and lain outloud along with the
ba'al koreh because maybe he'll pronounce a
kamatz as a patach and that pseudo-Sefardi
Modern-Orthodox sheigetz with the small black
beanie who stands next to him reading from a
Chumash won't catch it because he's busy talking
about real estate throughout the laining.
21. Got to do that hat slanted ever so-slighty
backwards thing for the full gangsta-frumma look.
22. Go "coast to coast" without showering or
changing your clothes, sheets, or shaving, until
you truly look like a caveman.
23. ***Do NOT do the following***
Wear shirt with stripes.
Bobby pins and especially those shiny metallic
clips.
Yalmulke with a rim that's bigger than your head.
Tweed jacket with non-black hat.
24. Never say "Thank You", instead say,
"Shkoiyach...". Remember it's only one word.
25. Pssshhhhh.
26. Videotape your wedding even though nobody on
either side of the family owns a television.
27. Go to bars dressed in your hats and jackets,
drink, stare at teenage girls, and claim do be
doing kiruv.
28. You must go to the Hilton or any other
expensive-type hotel on your first date.
29. Bikur Holim is for wimps, wusses, and
girly-men.
30. When learning, make sure to have as many
Sfarim open as possible. Many poskim hold you
should have out: 2 Mesechtas of Gemara, a
chumash, a chelek of Shulchan Oruch, a Ritva, and
a sefer written by an achron that nobody knows.
31. Bow REALLY deep at the beginning of Shemona
Esrei.
32. For the ladies, if he doesn't ask to marry
you until he asks all the stupid petty questions
like "what is your name", he's off limits, unless
his father is a jeweler who makes big fat diamond
rings.
33. Never wash your tallis.
34. Who needs kavanah when davening? Just scrunch
up your face, purse your lips, shut your eyes
tight, bang one fist into your palm, whisper the
words loud enough to disturb your neighbor, let
your spit be liberated from the confines of your
lips, and get that really, really constipated
look on your face. Only then will the Big Guy
hear your supplications.
35. The answer to any question: "Mamash, takka,
im yirtzeh hashem, bli neder, canina hora, lo
aleynu, shelo nedah!
36. Your wife (or you, depending on your gender
and all), must wear a frummy robe Shabbos night.
37. When the Bais HaMikdash is built (G-d willing
soon), you must dedicate something in honour of a
dead relative or a family simcha. i.e. "This
Mikva was built in the memory of so and so", or
"This Korban Tamid was sponsored by the
sisterhood in honour of Shmuel David's Bar
Mitzva".
38. When you're engaged, you have a chiyuv to set
up your friends too. You might not have anybody
in mind for your friends before you're engaged,
but once you are, you obtain a special power that
makes it possible to sense a good shidduch when
you see one.
39. Have a really expensive gold watch that, if
pawned, would buy crates of sepharim in Israel.
40. Daven a really fast Shemoneh Esrei so that
you can be the first one to say out loud "Ya'aleh
V'yavo..." for Rosh Chodesh and other such
inserts for special days in the calendar in order
to remind others that are davening to remember to
say these special paragraphs even though they
already heard the clop on the bima and even
though this burst of self-righteousness may mess
up their concentration.
41. Make sure to get engaged after only three
dates, but make sure the baby comes no sooner and
no later than nine months from the wedding.
42. Make sure to always look miserable, because
G-d forbid, people might think that you are
taking some form of pleasure in this world.
43. On Shabbos, Take off your jacket after
Hamotzi and put it back on right before
bentching.
44. Separate your trash between milchig and
fleishig.
45. On the days when you make it to minyan, make
sure that your friends who didn't know all about
it.
46. The only pop albums you own are Billy Joel
47. Go into Baskin Robbins when there's other
Jews there and say really loud, "I wish I could
eat here," just so people know that you keep
Cholov Yisrael. Then leave.
48. After you get engaged, married, have a kid,
etc...go around to everyone else and say "Im
yirtze hashem by you," even if they are 70 years
old or under the age of 12.
49. If someone's name is "doniel" or "Gavriel",
pronounce it "gavri-kel" or "doni-kel" in order
that you shouldn't say G-d's name in vain.
50. Download micha, maariv, and bentching onto
your palm pilot and stop randomly in heavily
populated jewish areas to daven from it.
51. Daven with your eyes closed and your finger
holding open the page. DO NOT LOOK IN THE SIDDUR
IT IS VERY NOT FRUM TO HAVE TO LOOK.
52. Wear one of the new Hatzoloh walkie talkies
that have the secret service type earphones. Keep
the power off but contantly concentrate on what
everyone thinks is an important message.
53. Put mezuzas on the doors of your minivan and
tell everyone "It's the latest chumrah, but most
people don't follow it".
54. Use the term "Please G-d" in your
conversations - anywhere "G-d Willing" can
possibly be added.
55. Ban any fiction books in your house aside
from those ridiculous "frum novels" which are
neither frum nor novels.
56. Call a single man at the age of 32 a "boy",
as in "I have a wonderful 32 year old boy for
you!
57. Be extremely frightened by ANY kind of dog
(even a poodle with a head the size of a
golfball) and immediately cross to the street
when you are within 2 miles of these beasts.
58. Dress your (13) children in matching outfits,
girls get dresses, boys get vests and pants made
out of same material (i.e. purple tafeta, blue
velvet, plaid wool), do this until the oldest is
19.
59. The non invitation...never directly invite
anyone to your house for a meal. It is better to
tell them to call you when they would like to
come. Doing this will yotze you the mitzva of
hachnasas orchim, and it puts the pressure on to
the other person to call you. When they never
actually call you, because for some strange
reason, they didn?t think that you gave them a
real invitation, come over to them in shul 2
years later and ask them why they never called
you. Make sure to look insulted.
60. Whenever a friend gets married, stop looking
at her in the face. Now that she is married, you
must always look at her stomach to see if it's
getting any bigger, because now that she is
married, she will be getting pregnant any day.
After a few months and no belly, talk to everyone
you know about her.
--
Harry J. Weiss
hjw...@panix.com
Remember to Count the Omer
Go Kings
Fiona
frum kehillah.
Fiona
Harry Weiss wrote in message ...
Abe Kohen
"Harry Weiss" <hjw...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> I received this from my cousin
>
> 60 ways to appear frum & intellectual
>
> 1. Shaved Head (Really frum = Women with shaved
> heads)
>
> 2. Play with the beard...the more you twirl it
> the better!
Really, really frum = Women with shaved heads, playing with the beard.
>
> 5. Always quote "The Rosh Yeshiva". Everyone will
> obviously know who you're talking about!
Better yet, whenever anyone asks why, always answer: Der rebbe hut gezoogt.
> 10. ?I don't hold by that Rav."
I don't hold by that Hashgoocha.
>
> 35. The answer to any question: "Mamash, takka,
> im yirtzeh hashem, bli neder, canina hora, lo
> aleynu, shelo nedah!
And a real Talmid Choochem: Tzoorich Ee-yen.
>
> 54. Use the term "Please G-d" in your
> conversations - anywhere "G-d Willing" can
> possibly be added.
Or, "Mirtzeh Hashem."
Abe
BlackMonk
> 6. Whenever you're quoting someone to prove that
> you are right in an argument, always quote a name
> that is an acronym (i.e. Rashi, Ramban, etc).
> Heck, you can even use your own name, it won't
> make a difference! Frum thinking clearly states
> that, "if someone is commonly referred to as an
> acronym, he must be right!"
>
Now, here's something I always wondered. Why the acronyms? My theory is that
it's was an early safeguard against antisemetism. "How can anyone hate them?
Their sages have such cute names."
(To tie this in with the Spirit in the Sky thread, there's a great
bubblegum-glam song called "Ram Bam Rabbi" just waiting to be written.)
Jeff
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> Ahhh... I thinks that just about hits every issue that winds me up about
the
> frum kehillah.
>
>
> Fiona
Perhaps if you learned to recognize and appreciate all of the _positive_ and
beauty of your own people , you wouldn't have so many 'issues'.
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Abe Kohen
"Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> wrote in message
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> "Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1021501861.24514....@news.demon.co.uk...
> > Ahhh... I thinks that just about hits every issue that winds me up about
> the
> > frum kehillah.
> >
> >
> > Fiona
>
> Perhaps if you learned to recognize and appreciate all of the _positive_
and
> beauty of your own people , you wouldn't have so many 'issues'.
Look in the mirror, boychik of many names.
Abe
Susan Cohen
BlackMonk wrote:
> Now, here's something I always wondered. Why the acronyms? My theory is that
> it's was an early safeguard against antisemetism. "How can anyone hate them?
> Their sages have such cute names."
>
> (To tie this in with the Spirit in the Sky thread,
Wait, I started a whole thread with that?
Where is it....?
> there's a great
> bubblegum-glam song called "Ram Bam Rabbi" just waiting to be written.)
Just don't sign your name to it.....
Susan
Susan Cohen
Harry Weiss wrote:
> 15. ***Do NOT do this!!! This is NOT frum!!!***
> Sing that uppity NCSY benching tune.
You mean the Notre Dame Fight Song?
I love that one! (heehee!)
Susan
Eliyahu
>
> 60 ways to appear frum & intellectual
Perhaps we should see who answered "yes" to the most items? :-)
>
>
> 21. Got to do that hat slanted ever so-slighty
> backwards thing for the full gangsta-frumma look.
>
Or wear your kippah backwards?
>
> 50. Download micha, maariv, and bentching onto
> your palm pilot and stop randomly in heavily
> populated jewish areas to daven from it.
>
Do my Visor and E-Book count?
>
> 57. Be extremely frightened by ANY kind of dog
> (even a poodle with a head the size of a
> golfball) and immediately cross to the street
> when you are within 2 miles of these beasts.
>
Hey, if you'd ever had one of those little ankle-biters pee on your shoes,
you'd avoid them, too.
Eliyahu
Fiona
Jeff wrote in message ...
>"Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:1021501861.24514....@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Ahhh... I thinks that just about hits every issue that winds me up about
>the
>> frum kehillah.
>>
>>
>> Fiona
>
>Perhaps if you learned to recognize and appreciate all of the _positive_
and
>beauty of your own people , you wouldn't have so many 'issues'.
Hey, I still luv 'em, they just annoy the hell out of me... but what are
families for?
But, anyway, I don't see too many "positive" and "beautiful" points in
Harry's post, the point is all these things are true and on at least one
level very, very fake. I for one would like to see the frum kehillah (of
which I *am* part) stop trying so hard to prove to each other how frum they
are and start proving to Hashem that they actually mean what they say, and
that it is not just lip service.
Hag Sameach,
Fiona
Sammy
>
> 60 ways to appear frum & intellectual
> obviously know who you're talking about!
Context is everything. When students of a particular Rosh Yeshiva are
speaking among themselves, they know who they are referring to.
I recall someone taking someone in this ng to task for referring to a
certain prominent rabbinical scholar as 'The Rav', assuming everyone
else here would know to whom he was referring.
>
> 6. Whenever you're quoting someone to prove that
> you are right in an argument, always quote a name
> that is an acronym (i.e. Rashi, Ramban, etc).
> Heck, you can even use your own name, it won't
> make a difference! Frum thinking clearly states
> that, "if someone is commonly referred to as an
> acronym, he must be right!"
Isn't it easier to say 'Rashi' than 'R' Shlomo Yitzchaki' or 'The
Rambam' than 'R' Moshe ben Maimon'?
> 7. ***Do NOT do this!!! This is NOT frum!!!***
> Bring up a siddur when called up for an aliyah,
> and say the brachos on the Torah from it. VERY
> not frum.
More shuls should have a card with the brochos on the bima.
> 8. Have tons of children.
How does this make one appear 'intellectual'?
> 9. When davening with a minyan, remember it's
> very important to say out loud the first three
> (some hold four) words out loud, and then mumble
> the rest quietly.
I would venture to say that is overwhelmingly due to force of habit
and not any conscious intention to impress others.
> 10. ?I don't hold by that Rav."
Not everyone with rabbinical training and/or position must be held of
by everyone.
> 11. Always call your children by their first TWO
> names. i.e. Sara Yehudis, Yisroel Meyer, Pesach
> Yehuda, Noach Areyah, Shlomo HaMelech, etc. How
> many REAL frummies do you know with only one
> first name?
I think the most common reason for doing this is in order to name a
child after more than one person.
> 12. Put hebrew dates on everything,
A good custom.
>and stop
> using civil dates altogether.
Ideally should be used as little as possible.
>
> 13. In the supermarket, peer into you neighbors
> basket and say, "You eat that type of cheese?".
Obnoxious and unacceptable. If one has a true kashrus concern about a
product one sees another observant Jew purchasing, one should inform
that person of the problem in a respectful, gentle, discreet manner.
> 14. Translate everything you say, everytime you
> say it. I.e. Chazal-our sages. This will demean
> your listener as uneducated and suggest that he
> can't remember the translation from one time to
> the next.
On the other hand, posters here often are asked to translate more.
> 16. Must speak in that annoying Brooklyn accent.
Stereotypical Bklyn. accents are not unique to Jews. What about the
'How Ya Doin?'/ 'Fuhget aboud it' Italian-type thing?
> 17. Meditation is completely assur.
No, it depends on the type of meditation. There are kosher types of
meditation. The problem is with the types that are parts of idolatrous
religions.
>(G-d forbid
> you should spiritually become closer to G-d).
This is offensive (yes, even as a 'joke') and preposterous.
Anyone who really thinks the above sentiment reflects any _genuine_
Jewish attitude is woefully ignornant.
(And meditation is by no means the only way of "spiritually becoming
closer to G-d)
> 20. Learn Gemara and lain outloud along with the
> ba'al koreh because maybe he'll pronounce a
> kamatz as a patach and that pseudo-Sefardi
> Modern-Orthodox sheigetz with the small black
> beanie who stands next to him reading from a
> Chumash won't catch it because he's busy talking
> about real estate throughout the laining.
Here I am faced with a dilemma. On one hand, I want to give credit
where it is due and point-out that this actually got a laugh out of
me. On the other hand, I fear that if I do so, I will immediately be
pounced-upon by several people here who will denounce me for
disparaging 'Modern-Orthodox' Jews. Therefore, let me make the
following clear:
I realize that there are plenty of people who would fit the above
description who do _not_ talk during davening and leining while there
are also, tragically, plenty of people who are very far from the above
description who _do_ talk during davening and leining and vice versa.
> 21. Got to do that hat slanted ever so-slighty
> backwards thing for the full gangsta-frumma look.
As long as you don't go for the Ed Norton look with regard to hats.
(Cont'd.)
Jeff
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> > 57. Be extremely frightened by ANY kind of dog
> > (even a poodle with a head the size of a
> > golfball) and immediately cross to the street
> > when you are within 2 miles of these beasts.
> >
> Hey, if you'd ever had one of those little ankle-biters pee on your shoes,
> you'd avoid them, too.
Being that both a dear friend as well as dear relative of mine own small
dogs, I feel I should go on record as objecting to this type of
anti-small-Canine rhetoric.
( :o) )
Jeff
admit was gratuitously provocative and confrontational. You demonstrated
true mentchlikeit.
In short, I was not claiming the things listed in Mr. Weiss's post were
'positive' and 'beautiful' but rather suggested that it would be better to
focus on the many truly positive and beatiful aspects of the observant
Jewish world which far outweigh the things listed in that piece- most of
which were quite minor in the grand scheme of things.
Additionally it must be noted that "The frum kehilla", as you term it, is
actually comprised of many different kehilos (communities) with many
different customs, practices, ideologies and social norms. Hence, what one
may observe in one 'frum kehila' may not be so in another and vice versa.
A gutten Yom Tov,
Jeff
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Sammy
[concluded from previous two posts]
> 24. Never say "Thank You", instead say,
> "Shkoiyach...". Remember it's only one word.
Among people who understand it to mean 'Thank you' , where is the
harm?
> 28. You must go to the Hilton or any other
> expensive-type hotel on your first date.
It should be noted that this refers to the _lobby_ of such a hotel and
not to renting a private room there.
> 29. Bikur Holim is for wimps, wusses, and
> girly-men.
Notice how it's only people who learn in yeshivos who are criticized
for not going out and doing kindnesses toward people or doing other
communal work. Nobody ever criticizes college students or businessmen
, etc., etc. in this regard. (Or people who just sit around and gamble
or watch TV, etc.)
The fact is that it says in halacha that_ when there are other people
available_ to take care of other obligations, that one who is studying
Torah should not interrupt it.
> 30. When learning, make sure to have as many
> Sfarim open as possible. Many poskim hold you
> should have out: 2 Mesechtas of Gemara, a
> chumash, a chelek of Shulchan Oruch, a Ritva, and
> a sefer written by an achron that nobody knows.
Why assume the worse? While there may be someone here or there who
does this merely to impress others, I believe that most people who
open several seforim at once are actually learning from them.
> 33. Never wash your tallis.
On the contary, it is a mitzvah to keep objects of a mitzvah clean and
beautiful.
> 36. Your wife (or you, depending on your gender
> and all), must wear a frummy robe Shabbos night.
What is a "frummy robe"? Does a 'shmatah' tish chalat * count for a
man?
(a light, black or navy shiny polyester machine-washable robe worn
over the shirt at the Shabbos table. Highly functional and practical
by protecting the clothing)
> 39. Have a really expensive gold watch that, if
> pawned, would buy crates of sepharim in Israel.
There are better ways to spend the money.
> 40. Daven a really fast Shemoneh Esrei so that
> you can be the first one to say out loud "Ya'aleh
> V'yavo..." for Rosh Chodesh and other such
> inserts for special days in the calendar in order
> to remind others that are davening to remember to
> say these special paragraphs even though they
> already heard the clop on the bima and even
> though this burst of self-righteousness may mess
> up their concentration.
I would prefer to assume that people who do this actually mean well
and want to help their fellow supplicants to avoid an omission that
could cause them to have recited 19 brochos in vain and to have to
repeat the entire shmoneh esrai.
> 42. Make sure to always look miserable, because
> G-d forbid, people might think that you are
> taking some form of pleasure in this world.
On the contrary, enjoy what is permitted (in moderation) and thank and
love Hashem for it.
> 43. On Shabbos, Take off your jacket after
> Hamotzi and put it back on right before
> bentching.
Mishna Breura recommends bentching with the hat and jacket on.
> 51. Daven with your eyes closed and your finger
> holding open the page. DO NOT LOOK IN THE SIDDUR
> IT IS VERY NOT FRUM TO HAVE TO LOOK.
One should either look in the siddur or keep the eyes closed:
whichever allows one greater kavono.
> 55. Ban any fiction books in your house aside
> from those ridiculous "frum novels" which are
> neither frum nor novels.
At least the content is less likely to be objectionable from a
halacahic perspective.
Banning secular literature from the home, especially fiction, is
highly praiseworthy. (Don't even bother Y. Markov- I know what you're
going to say)
> 56. Call a single man at the age of 32 a "boy",
> as in "I have a wonderful 32 year old boy for
> you!
I will admit that I consider this offensive and insulting but is most
likely merely an outcome of the fact that the Hebrew term 'bochur' is
used to describe any single male, regardless of age and 'bochur' is
often translated into English as 'boy'.
> 58. Dress your (13) children in matching outfits,
> girls get dresses, boys get vests and pants made
> out of same material (i.e. purple tafeta, blue
> velvet, plaid wool), do this until the oldest is
> 19.
I always found that cute but don't consider it a reflection of either
religiosity or intellect.
> 59. The non invitation...never directly invite
> anyone to your house for a meal. It is better to
> tell them to call you when they would like to
> come. Doing this will yotze you the mitzva of
> hachnasas orchim, and it puts the pressure on to
> the other person to call you. When they never
> actually call you, because for some strange
> reason, they didn?t think that you gave them a
> real invitation, come over to them in shul 2
> years later and ask them why they never called
> you. Make sure to look insulted.
This type of behavior is actually criticized in classic texts and by
sages.
> 60. Whenever a friend gets married, stop looking
> at her in the face. Now that she is married, you
> must always look at her stomach to see if it's
> getting any bigger, because now that she is
> married, she will be getting pregnant any day.
> After a few months and no belly, talk to everyone
> you know about her.
Same as above. This entails serious Torah prohibitions.
I heard a great sage of the previous generation relate how certain
righteous women used to go as far as hiding their children when a
barren woman would visit their home so as not to make them feel bad.
BlackMonk
"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> BlackMonk wrote:
>
> > Now, here's something I always wondered. Why the acronyms? My theory is
that
> > it's was an early safeguard against antisemetism. "How can anyone hate
them?
> > Their sages have such cute names."
> >
> > (To tie this in with the Spirit in the Sky thread,
>
> Wait, I started a whole thread with that?
> Where is it....?
>
It didn't last too long.
> > there's a great
> > bubblegum-glam song called "Ram Bam Rabbi" just waiting to be written.)
>
> Just don't sign your name to it.....
>
So I take it you're not going to want a copy? Not that I plan on writing it
soon. First I'll have to find out how to pronounce "rambam" and I have a
feeling that no one here is going to want to tell me after this.
> Susan
Susan Cohen
Fiona wrote:
> But, anyway, I don't see too many "positive" and "beautiful" points in
> Harry's post,
That's because it was smart alecky.
Susan
CSR
Blac...@email.msn.com says...
>
> > 6. Whenever you're quoting someone to prove that
> > you are right in an argument, always quote a name
> > that is an acronym (i.e. Rashi, Ramban, etc).
> > Heck, you can even use your own name, it won't
> > make a difference! Frum thinking clearly states
> > that, "if someone is commonly referred to as an
> > acronym, he must be right!"
> >
>
> Now, here's something I always wondered. Why the acronyms? My theory is that
> it's was an early safeguard against antisemetism. "How can anyone hate them?
> Their sages have such cute names."
If I ever become a sage I suppose I'll be the Rakshaz. I think I should
stick to my original plan to die an unrepentant am ha-aretz. (I hope I
at least got that part right.)
--
Colin in Stavtrup
(To reply be email, remove gibberish
from the above address)
Sammy
>
> 60 ways to appear frum & intellectual
>
> 1. Shaved Head (Really frum = Women with shaved
> heads)
There are hallowed traditions and customs behind both. Just as it
would be wrong to disparage and mock the many devout, sincere
observant Jews who do _not_ follow these customs it is also wrong to
disparage and mock those who _do_.
> 2. Play with the beard...the more you twirl it
> the better!
What concerns me is the implication of an assumption that people who
do this are consciously trying to impress others by appearing
'intellectual'. I believe that in most cases it is merely a habit that
is not done with any special intentions.
> 3. Do the "Thumb Dip" (The lower you dip, the
> frummer you look)
Same reply as above. Also, I think this type of thing is
subsconsciously picked-up from others. That is: A boy sees the
bochurim and men in beis medrash doing this and starts to emulate it
himself without even realizing it.
> 4. Whenever quoting a Gemara in order to paskin,
> never quote from a Mesechta that has anything to
> do with the subject. For example: If the question
> is: What bracha do I make on Apple Sauce? Do NOT
> quote from Mesechta Brachos (that's too logical),
> quote something from Gittin!
"Those who say , don't know and those who know, don't say".
The maxim doesn't fit exactly here but the point is that if someone is
indeed qualified to _poskin_, it's not some satirist's place to
criticize his methods while someone to whom it would be appropriate to
offer the above criticism would not be someone to qualified to poskin
in the first place!
Susan Cohen
BlackMonk wrote:
> "Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
> news:3CE32669...@his.com...
> >
> >
> > BlackMonk wrote:
> >
> > > Now, here's something I always wondered. Why the acronyms? My theory is
> that
> > > it's was an early safeguard against antisemetism. "How can anyone hate
> them?
> > > Their sages have such cute names."
> > >
> > > (To tie this in with the Spirit in the Sky thread,
> >
> > Wait, I started a whole thread with that?
> > Where is it....?
> >
>
> It didn't last too long.
Figures. :-)
> > > there's a great
> > > bubblegum-glam song called "Ram Bam Rabbi" just waiting to be written.)
> >
> > Just don't sign your name to it.....
> >
>
> So I take it you're not going to want a copy?
Oh, no - *I'll* want a copy - I can take a joke!
> Not that I plan on writing it
> soon. First I'll have to find out how to pronounce "rambam" and I have a
> feeling that no one here is going to want to tell me after this.
I always pronounce it "rombom"
Susan
Ron Aaron
>
> 60 ways to appear frum & intellectual
>
> you are right in an argument, always quote a name
> that is an acronym (i.e. Rashi, Ramban, etc).
And remember, it's "HaOhr HaChaim HAKADOSH", not just "ohr hachaim"...
BlackMonk
Darn, pronouncing it like the animal and Barney Rubble's son goes better
with "rabbi."
Hmmm,
"Rabbi Ram Bam Rombom Rama Dali Lama Ding Dong."
It's a hit.
> Susan
Eliyahu
"CSR" <colinand...@conservativepartymanifesto.adslhome.dk> wrote in
message news:MPG.174de300...@news.inet.tele.dk...
Rooffrav, instead of just being part of the riff-raff? :-)
Eliyahu
Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)
"Sammy" <sammy...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:36627771.02051...@posting.google.com...
It is praiseworthy to quote in the name of one's master. Sammy, are the
opinions above indeed those of the Admou"r meCreedmoor (or Noach Shmaryahu
Rothstein) or are they your own? If either of the former, you should have
mentioned it.
Ian
Craig
61. Replace the prepositions 'with' and 'at' with 'by'. So you have visitors
by your house and you spend yomtov by your parents.
62. Do not refer to your spouse or children by their first names but my
son/daughter, my wife/husband.
63. When seeing your long lost friend, usually female, the first question
should be 'how old is your youngest?' That way you can quickly calculate if
they've stayed on the derech.
64. Read 'Men are from Mars Women from Venus' and set up a sholem bayis
consultancy, preferably claiming to offer guidance consistent with
hashkofe.Of course this is going to make you intelectual too.
66. If you're a yeshive bochur when on a plane pocket as many of the
minature soaps and minature spirits as you can lay your hands on. If you're
a machmir get a life jacket from under the seat too.
67. Never wear a seat belt.
68. When discussing stocks, properties or, lehavdil, sports use a gemore
nigun. It's a sgule to win the argument.
69. When discussing super hot news move together in as tight knit a circle
as possible, peering over the shoulder of the guy in front. That way it's
unlikely to be loshen hore.
70. And the worst crime of all. God forbid, NEVER call Reb Shloyme Zalmen,
Rav Auerbach, and NEVER call Rav Elyashuv, Reb Yosef Sholem. Reb Moishe
Faynshtayn is ok if you're a chosid and Reb Moishe if you're yeshivish but
never Rav Feinstein and Heaven forbid never ever ever Feinsteen.
"Harry Weiss" <hjw...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:abukn7$9nc$1...@reader1.panix.com...
cst...@rochester.rr.com
71. Replace the expression "shop at" with the expression "take from"
(especially when discussing whether or not a shop has
acceptable/questionable hashgacha). Additionally, never use the possessive
form of the owner's name when mentioning the shop. Don't say: "I shop at
Cohen's bakery but not at Bernstein's." Rather say "I take from Cohen but
not from Bernstein."
72. Always end a sentence with a verb: "I forgot the napkins, did you
bring?" I made some cookies, did you get?"
Best regards,
--Cindy S.
Craig <y...@z.com> wrote in message news:ac6un3$24c$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Go Kings
Jeff
wrote in message news:ac2m0f$mfsqe$1...@ID-98143.news.dfncis.de...
>
> It is praiseworthy to quote in the name of one's master.
Oh, I do... haven't you seen the numerous times I've quoted my beloved K'vod
Kedushas Admo'r....
....Bob Grant?
:o)
>Sammy, are the
> opinions above indeed those of the Admou"r meCreedmoor (or [deleted] ) or
are they your own? If either of >the former, you should have
> mentioned it.
I would have thought that you would have the critical faculties and
analytical skills to realize that the notion that I* consider the individual
you refer to as the 'Admou"r meCreedmoor" to be my "master" is quite absurd.
Perhaps I overestimated you.
*- And by extension the individual you named your post with the initials
'NSR'*. Whether or not I actually _am_ that individual is not really germane
here as you obviously _think_ I am and therefore that is the premise I am
working from.
Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)
<cst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:loNF8.99979$qU1.25...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com...
> Here's a couple more:
>
> 71. Replace the expression "shop at" with the expression "take from"
> (especially when discussing whether or not a shop has
> acceptable/questionable hashgacha).
Hmmmm...this must be connected to a minhag of the Shoplifter Chassidim (or
refer to those who purchase food on credit and always have a large running
tab). I have heard "get from," but not "take from," used among frummies.
Ian
Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)
"Sammy" <sammy...@mail.com> wrote in message
> I heard a great sage of the previous generation relate how certain
> righteous women used to go as far as hiding their children when a
> barren woman would visit their home so as not to make them feel bad.
The rebbetzin of the Shaarey Skila of Risperthal (gadol hamon hadorot:
1700-1760; 1800-1845; 1864 - 1925; 1910 - 1978; 1790 - 2500 et al) would
hide her husband's multiple personalities in front of a barren woman, so
that the woman would not see that her husband was so gifted as to be able to
create other people, despite his male gender.
Ian
cst...@rochester.rr.com
No, it's definitely "take from." (Maybe it's a regional thing)
--Cindy S.>
> Ian
Raphael
>son/daughter, my wife/husband.
Oh no! My wife does this! I had no idea that it was a frummie thing to do!!!
>64. Read 'Men are from Mars Women from Venus' and set up a sholem bayis
>consultancy, preferably claiming to offer guidance consistent with
>hashkofe.Of course this is going to make you intellectual too.
Oy! I did this as well.
Do all of you here on SCJM understand now! It wasn't intentional! I don't
want to be a "frummie"! Really! It just happened...
Raphael
Micha Berger
: No, it's definitely "take from." (Maybe it's a regional thing)
A regional think based on the Yiddish of one's family's community of
origin. A number of these are simply Yiddishisms. Which is fine by
me. <grin>
-mi
--
Micha Berger When you come to a place of darkness,
mi...@aishdas.org you do not chase out the darkness with a broom.
http://www.aishdas.org You light a candle.
Fax: (413) 403-9905 - R' Yekusiel Halberstam of Klausenberg zt"l
Jonathan J. Baker
>Harry Weiss <hjw...@panix.com> wrote
>> 36. Your wife (or you, depending on your gender
>> and all), must wear a frummy robe Shabbos night.
>What is a "frummy robe"? Does a 'shmatah' tish chalat * count for a
>man?
It's evident you don't live in a frum area (Flatbush, Boro Park, Monsey,
etc.) - you have not encountered "robe culture". I think it started with
chasidim, but has since moved into the yeshivish as well. Frummy women
wear these elaborate housedresses on Shabbat. They tend to be approximately
cylindrical, and have lots of applique ribbons and things. Women go out
in the street in these things on my block.
Personally I think it's all silly - if you're going to buy an elaborate
dress, buy an elaborate dress, and don't go outdoors in what's clearly
an indoor garment.
But you gave yourself away as not living in a "frummie" neighborhood.
--
Jonathan Baker | Daffynition: Omernasolaryngologist:
jjb...@panix.com | Iyar, nose & throat doctor.
Web page <http://www.panix.com/~jjbaker>
Jonathan J. Baker
>*- And by extension the individual you named your post with the initials
>'NSR'*. Whether or not I actually _am_ that individual is not really germane
>here as you obviously _think_ I am and therefore that is the premise I am
>working from.
Especially since you *are* that person, which the headers of your email
to the policy group gave away.
Fred Rosenblatt
Nonsense. To summarize my standard rec.humor.jewish rant, Harry's post
was enormously positive. First of all, because it was humorous, and
it's a good sign for frum Jews, and perhaps a lesson for Jews in other
camps, that we can laugh at ourselves. Secondly, the situation is by
no means bleak. None of us are guilty to the nth degree of every item on
Harry's list. It is true that some of us are prone to behaving to some
degree like some of the items on the list, but the good news is that we
can recognize the negative aspect of those behaviors, and, gently, by
laughing at ourselves, point them out to each other. Then, in an atmosphere
free of personal accusation, we can work to eliminate them or channel them
in a more positive direction.
Susan Cohen
Fred Rosenblatt wrote:
> Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote in message news:<3CE3C825...@his.com>...
> > Fiona wrote:
> >
> > > But, anyway, I don't see too many "positive" and "beautiful" points in
> > > Harry's post,
> >
> > That's because it was smart alecky.
>
> Nonsense. To summarize my standard rec.humor.jewish rant, Harry's post
> was enormously positive. First of all, because it was humorous, and
> it's a good sign for frum Jews, and perhaps a lesson for Jews in other
> camps, that we can laugh at ourselves.
Well, isn't that smart-alecky?
If I have given the wrong impression, I apologize.
I didn't mean it in a definitely negative sense!
No more so than any other situation where something is made fun of.
Susan
Eliyahu
>
>
> Fred Rosenblatt wrote:
>
> > Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
news:<3CE3C825...@his.com>...
> > > Fiona wrote:
> > >
> > > > But, anyway, I don't see too many "positive" and "beautiful" points
in
> > > > Harry's post,
> > >
> > > That's because it was smart alecky.
> >
> > Nonsense. To summarize my standard rec.humor.jewish rant, Harry's post
> > was enormously positive. First of all, because it was humorous, and
> > it's a good sign for frum Jews, and perhaps a lesson for Jews in other
> > camps, that we can laugh at ourselves.
>
> Well, isn't that smart-alecky?
> If I have given the wrong impression, I apologize.
> I didn't mean it in a definitely negative sense!
> No more so than any other situation where something is made fun of.
>
seriously. If we can't laugh at ourselves, there are others who most
certainly will do it for us.
Eliyahu
Jeff
news:acb1nm$qut$1...@reader1.panix.com...
> In <cis.de> "Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> writes:
>
> >*- And by extension the individual you named your post with the initials
> >'NSR'*. Whether or not I actually _am_ that individual is not really
germane
> >here as you obviously _think_ I am and therefore that is the premise I
am
> >working from.
>
> Especially since you *are* that person, which the headers of your email
> to the policy group gave away.
SHOCKING REVELATION: BEAR IMPLICATED IN FOREST DEFECATION INCIDENT
Jon, what is this with your acting like your making some kind of shocking
revelation here?!
Anyone with any familiarity with a good deal of the content posted under
'NSR' and the variations thereof as well as the contents posted under 'Jeff'
and 'Sammy' would have to be pretty lame not to realize how unlikely it is
that they are merely dif. user i.d.'s of the same person.
Besided, what it is it with this great glee you have in "outing me" with
this whole policy list thing? BIG DEAL!
Susan Cohen
Jeff wrote:
> "Jonathan J. Baker" <jjb...@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:acb1nm$qut$1...@reader1.panix.com...
> > In <cis.de> "Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> writes:
> >
> > >*- And by extension the individual you named your post with the initials
> > >'NSR'*. Whether or not I actually _am_ that individual is not really
> germane
> > >here as you obviously _think_ I am and therefore that is the premise I
> am
> > >working from.
> >
> > Especially since you *are* that person, which the headers of your email
> > to the policy group gave away.
>
> SHOCKING REVELATION: BEAR IMPLICATED IN FOREST DEFECATION INCIDENT
>
> Jon, what is this with your acting like your making some kind of shocking
> revelation here?!
I think it's the fact that you continue to use the pseudonyms.
You are making people who care about you very worried.
Susan
Yisroel Markov
said:
>Harry Weiss <hjw...@panix.com> wrote in message news:<abukn7$9nc$1...@reader1.panix.com>...
>> I received this from my cousin
>>
>> 60 ways to appear frum & intellectual
>>
>> 1. Shaved Head (Really frum = Women with shaved
>> heads)
>
>There are hallowed traditions and customs behind both.
Hallowed indeed. Proof: women who shave their heads also shave their
pubic hair. That's *sexy*, and as we know, sex within marriage is
holy. QED.
[snip]
Yisroel Markov Boston, MA Member DNRC
www.reason.com -- for unbiased analysis of the world
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Judge, and be prepared to be judged" -- Ayn Rand
janet rosenbaum
>wear these elaborate housedresses on Shabbat. They tend to be approximately
>cylindrical, and have lots of applique ribbons and things. Women go out
>in the street in these things on my block.
don't you live in manhattan?
anyhow, the girls in mea shaarim also wear these in the street. it's
really weird.
janet
Fred Rosenblatt
> Fred Rosenblatt wrote:
>
> > Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote in message news:<3CE3C825...@his.com>...
> > > Fiona wrote:
> > >
> > > > But, anyway, I don't see too many "positive" and "beautiful" points in
> > > > Harry's post,
> > >
> > > That's because it was smart alecky.
> >
> > Nonsense. To summarize my standard rec.humor.jewish rant, Harry's post
> > was enormously positive. First of all, because it was humorous, and
> > it's a good sign for frum Jews, and perhaps a lesson for Jews in other
> > camps, that we can laugh at ourselves.
>
> Well, isn't that smart-alecky?
Yeah, it was, wasn't it? It really wasn't aimed at you personally, just
getting int pedantic mode I guess.
Maria Hansmann
"Jonathan J. Baker" <jjb...@panix.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:acb0ba$pk3$2...@reader1.panix.com...
> In <gle.com> sammy...@mail.com (Sammy) writes:
> >
> >What is a "frummy robe"? Does a 'shmatah' tish chalat * count for a
> >man?
>
> It's evident you don't live in a frum area (Flatbush, Boro Park, Monsey,
> etc.) - you have not encountered "robe culture". I think it started with
> chasidim, but has since moved into the yeshivish as well.
Nah, you're wrong. It was the Arabs who started it.Yemenite Jews problably
brought it to the Chasidim, but the origin is clearly middle Eastern. Muslim
girls joke about the love frum jewish women show for "those ugly polyester
sacks". Not that their mothers aren't running around in them too...
m.h.
Susan Cohen
Fred Rosenblatt wrote:
> Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote in message news:<3CE95856...@his.com>...
> > Fred Rosenblatt wrote:
> >
> > > Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote in message news:<3CE3C825...@his.com>...
> > > > Fiona wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > But, anyway, I don't see too many "positive" and "beautiful" points in
> > > > > Harry's post,
> > > >
> > > > That's because it was smart alecky.
> > >
> > > Nonsense. To summarize my standard rec.humor.jewish rant, Harry's post
> > > was enormously positive. First of all, because it was humorous, and
> > > it's a good sign for frum Jews, and perhaps a lesson for Jews in other
> > > camps, that we can laugh at ourselves.
> >
> > Well, isn't that smart-alecky?
>
> Yeah, it was, wasn't it?
Nono - I meant the original post1 Not your post!!!!
> It really wasn't aimed at you personally, just
> getting int pedantic mode I guess.
I am sorry if you thought I was offended, or if you got offended.
Susan
Jeff
news:3cea5e6e...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> On Thu, 16 May 2002 16:13:50 +0000 (UTC), sammy...@mail.com (Sammy)
> said:
>
> >Harry Weiss <hjw...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:<abukn7$9nc$1...@reader1.panix.com>...
> >> I received this from my cousin
> >>
> >> 60 ways to appear frum & intellectual
> >>
> >> 1. Shaved Head (Really frum = Women with shaved
> >> heads)
> >
> >There are hallowed traditions and customs behind both.
>
> Hallowed indeed. Proof: women who shave their heads also shave their
> pubic hair.
How would you know?
>That's *sexy*, and as we know, sex within marriage is
> holy. QED.
Wow! This is an alltime low , even for you.
"Yes folks, it _is_ sick out there and it _is_ getting sicker"
- Bob Grant
Yisroel Markov
<re...@group.invalid.net> said:
>"Yisroel Markov" <ey.m...@iname.com> wrote in message
>news:3cea5e6e...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
>> On Thu, 16 May 2002 16:13:50 +0000 (UTC), sammy...@mail.com (Sammy)
>> said:
>>
>> >Harry Weiss <hjw...@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:<abukn7$9nc$1...@reader1.panix.com>...
>> >> I received this from my cousin
>> >>
>> >> 60 ways to appear frum & intellectual
>> >>
>> >> 1. Shaved Head (Really frum = Women with shaved
>> >> heads)
>> >
>> >There are hallowed traditions and customs behind both.
>>
>> Hallowed indeed. Proof: women who shave their heads also shave their
>> pubic hair.
>
>How would you know?
Figure it out: those who shave their heads because of mikva (rather
than tzniut) concerns, would by necessity apply this logic to all body
hair. Pubic hair is even tanglier than scalp hair. (Come to think
about it, are there any women who shave their heads for tzniut
reasons?) Plus there's non-Jewish literary evidence to this from
pre-war Europe, although I don't like to think about the way in which
this evidence had to have been collected.
>>That's *sexy*, and as we know, sex within marriage is
>> holy. QED.
>
>Wow! This is an alltime low , even for you.
Why, I thought the cunnilingus discussion was the "all-time low". What
exactly is "low" about my giving praise to this hallowed custom, at
least as partially applied? Just curious.
>"Yes folks, it _is_ sick out there and it _is_ getting sicker"
>- Bob Grant
Yisroel Markov Boston, MA Member DNRC
Abe Kohen
> said:
>
> >Harry Weiss <hjw...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:<abukn7$9nc$1...@reader1.panix.com>...
> >> I received this from my cousin
> >>
> >> 60 ways to appear frum & intellectual
> >>
> >> 1. Shaved Head (Really frum = Women with shaved
> >> heads)
> >
> >There are hallowed traditions and customs behind both.
>
> Hallowed indeed. Proof: women who shave their heads also shave their
> pubic hair. That's *sexy*, and as we know, sex within marriage is
This I did not know. Next time I'm in Boro Park or Williamsburg I will have
to personally inspect.
;-)
> holy. QED.
Holy cat, Batman.
Abe
janet rosenbaum
>Hallowed indeed. Proof: women who shave ...
>That's *sexy*
if you like ingrown hairs and stubble.
janet
Abe Kohen
"janet rosenbaum" <jero...@hcs.harvard.edu> wrote in message
news:aceqk6$vmq$1...@news.fas.harvard.edu...
69 with both partners having stubble. Ouch!
;-)
Abe
>
> janet
Susan Cohen
Abe Kohen wrote:
> "Yisroel Markov" <ey.m...@iname.com> wrote in message
> news:3cea5e6e...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> >
> > Hallowed indeed. Proof: women who shave their heads also shave their
> > pubic hair. That's *sexy*, and as we know, sex within marriage is
>
> This I did not know. Next time I'm in Boro Park or Williamsburg I will have
> to personally inspect.
Just give me a five minute headstart so I can alert the ambulance.
Susan
Chaim Yankl
"Abe Kohen" <abek...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Eliyahu
"Chaim Yankl" <apik...@cheerful.com> wrote in message
news:aceoi7$j1b$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Nu! ir shemt aich nisht? rak ein yiras aloikim bamokoim haze!
>
appropriate here. This ain't the locker room, guys.
Eliyahu
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
Indeed it is. My wife is often complaining about it. It's to be found
in _many_ "frummie" neighborhoods. Which is why it's one of the 60!
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
May Eliyahu Chayim ben Sarah Henna (Eliot Shimoff) have a refuah Shlaima.
Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)
"Abe Kohen" <abek...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:acf23u$pbilj$1...@ID-102750.news.dfncis.de...
> > if you like ingrown hairs and stubble.
>
> 69 with both partners having stubble. Ouch!
>
>
Hmmm...that could happen in Creedmoor, in the cheder hayechidus (more like
yichud).
Ian
Jonathan J. Baker
>jero...@hcs.harvard.edu (janet rosenbaum) writes:
>> "Jonathan J. Baker" <jjb...@panix.com> writes:
>>
>>>wear these elaborate housedresses on Shabbat. They tend to be
>>>approximately cylindrical, and have lots of applique ribbons and
>>>things. Women go out in the street in these things on my block.
>>
>> don't you live in manhattan?
>> anyhow, the girls in mea shaarim also wear these in the street.
>> it's really weird.
>Indeed it is. My wife is often complaining about it. It's to be found
>in _many_ "frummie" neighborhoods. Which is why it's one of the 60!
My mother often wears a simple housedress for Shabbos dinner - having
taken her shower, she doesn't really want to bother getting all dressed
again, with all the fuss of women's clothing. But she wouldn't think
of going outside the house in it!
Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)
> news:aceoi7$j1b$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Nu! ir shemt aich nisht? rak ein yiras aloikim bamokoim haze!
Kush mir in tuches, zeyr tiff tiff.
Ian
Jeff
news:2002May2...@mm.huji.ac.il...
> jero...@hcs.harvard.edu (janet rosenbaum) writes:
> > "Jonathan J. Baker" <jjb...@panix.com> writes:
> >
> >>wear these elaborate housedresses on Shabbat. They tend to be
> >>approximately cylindrical, and have lots of applique ribbons and
> >>things. Women go out in the street in these things on my block.
> >
> > don't you live in manhattan?
> > anyhow, the girls in mea shaarim also wear these in the street.
> > it's really weird.
>
> Indeed it is. My wife is often complaining about it. It's to be found
> in _many_ "frummie" neighborhoods. Which is why it's one of the 60!
<sigh>
Of all the things one can complain about.
What's so terrible about these robes? If one doesn't like them, don't wear
them! That should be all. Unlike something like smoking or wearing immodest
garments, these robes shouldn't affect anyone else but the wearer.
Jeff
> Just give me a five minute headstart so I can alert the ambulance.
You mean that will be needed for Abe after the women's husbands get through
with him?
Jeff
Abe Kohen
"Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> wrote in message
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> "Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Just give me a five minute headstart so I can alert the ambulance.
>
> You mean that will be needed for Abe after the women's husbands get
through
> with him?
How will they know? They'll be in kolel studying.
;-)
Abe
Chaim Yankl
> taken her shower, she doesn't really want to bother getting all dressed
> again, with all the fuss of women's clothing. But she wouldn't think
> of going outside the house in it!
ditto my dear eishes chayil. but she has an awful job finding anything
decent without the Hungarian overstatements and one that gives her a
resemblance of a figure.
What is amazing is that these gown that remove all femininity from women are
mostly worn on Friday nights when heimishe testosterone levels are at their
highest. After the grapefruits of shir hashirim come the tents of 13th and
Lee Avenue. Go know.
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il writes:
>>jero...@hcs.harvard.edu (janet rosenbaum) writes:
>>> "Jonathan J. Baker" <jjb...@panix.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>wear these elaborate housedresses on Shabbat. They tend to be
>>>>approximately cylindrical, and have lots of applique ribbons and
>>>>things. Women go out in the street in these things on my block.
>>>
>>> don't you live in manhattan?
>>> anyhow, the girls in mea shaarim also wear these in the street.
>>> it's really weird.
>
>>Indeed it is. My wife is often complaining about it. It's to be found
>>in _many_ "frummie" neighborhoods. Which is why it's one of the 60!
>
> My mother often wears a simple housedress for Shabbos dinner - having
> taken her shower, she doesn't really want to bother getting all dressed
> again, with all the fuss of women's clothing. But she wouldn't think
> of going outside the house in it!
Exactly, no problem in the house. But in the street? Feh!
Jeff
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> My mother often wears a simple housedress for Shabbos dinner - having
> taken her shower, she doesn't really want to bother getting all dressed
> again, with all the fuss of women's clothing. But she wouldn't think
> of going outside the house in it!
Now that you described in the previous post, I have indeed seen such
garments but I never really gave any thought to them. I try not to look at
women and certainly don't focus on or think into how they are dressed.
What is so terrible about merely going to put out the garbage or to see the
children off the bus in a garment
such as you described (which seems to be perfectly tsniusdig)?
I take it you would not approve of my putting out the garbage in my pajamas
and robe. Well, perhaps I'm way off base, but I don't think I should have to
go to trouble of getting dressed just to step out with the garbage because
of what people such as yourself might think.
Chaim Yankl
"Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)" wrote
> >
> > 69 with both partners having stubble. Ouch!
> >
> >
> Hmmm...that could happen in Creedmoor, in the cheder hayechidus (more like
> yichud).
>
The alte Creedmoorer rebbe was makpid on 69 for the entire chodesh elul as a
remez to ani ldodi vdodi li.
Susan Cohen
Jeff wrote:
> "Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
> news:3CEB0D4C...@his.com...
>
> > Just give me a five minute headstart so I can alert the ambulance.
>
> You mean that will be needed for Abe after the women's husbands get through
> with him?
Or the women themselves! While my husband (for one example) would be perfectly
willing to beat him senseless, he'd have to beat me to it :-)
Susan
Susan Cohen
Abe Kohen wrote:
Then I guess the women will just have to beat you to a pulp. :-)
Susan
>
>
> Abe
Susan Cohen
Eliyahu wrote:
> "Chaim Yankl" <apik...@cheerful.com> wrote in message
> news:aceoi7$j1b$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Nu! ir shemt aich nisht? rak ein yiras aloikim bamokoim haze!
> >
> Yes, a little concern for the sensitivities of other posters would be
> appropriate here. This ain't the locker room, guys.
My child is five. In a few years, she could be reading this group.
Who wants to face me, even on Usenet, after she learns of things
here that she might not have asked me in the privacy of our own home?
Susan
Chaim Yankl
form and they should not hide it behind tents. It may not be tsniusdik to
flout it but nor is there a mitsve to conceal it.
It is the end result of denying them any respect in the communal arena that
they lose their own self respect. It may also be part of the reason why the
dock area in New York swarms with heimishe yiden after the stars come out.
"Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> wrote in message
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Sammy
>
> I think it's the fact that you continue to use the pseudonyms.
> You are making people who care about you very worried.
>
> Susan
1. I am very touched by your sentiment and I thank you for your
concern. I
apologize to anyone I may have worried.
2. I have little doubt that Mr. Baker would be the first to admit that
he
was not worried about me. If I'm wrong about that, then I apologize to
Mr.
Baker.
3. I do not understand why at least several people seem to believe
that just
because I use different psuedonyms/posting i.d.'s, I actually suffer
from a
multiple personality disorder. There are any number of reasons that
one who
is _not_ psychotic might assume different posting i.d.'s or even
different
personalities _on Usenet_.
4. I hope to explain regarding my use of different monikers
and posting i.d.'s, G-d and moderators willing.
In short:
I had my reasons for not wishing to identify myself and so chose
'Jeff' as a moniker for posting from my primitive, unsophisticated
newssreader, Outlook Express. Because of how primitive and
unsophisticated OE is, it can be extremely difficult and inefficent to
reply to a post if not done right after it appears. I therefore often
post using Google , where I can easily find specific posts that I wish
to reply-to, even long after they originally appeared. Most of the
posts from 'Sammy' are from my Google account under that name, which
is actually merely a diminutive of my English middle name.
As to why I specifically chose the name 'Jeff' to use, there are
reasons but none that are too profound.
(I did this in the past as well, which was one of the main reasons for
the different variations of my full-name and initials that I would
post under simulatenously: posts from a google account often had a
different posting i.d. and/or email address than those from my OE
account)
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Yisroel Markov
Nu, so who said it's easy to be a Jew?
You do have to shave at least every other day to avoid the above.
Depilation is a pain (literally), but I wouldn't be surprised if these
women do it - much better results.
BTW, what is this about sensitivities and facing the wrath of Susan
Cohen? This is a place for adults, no? (I am also reminded of a letter
to editor in which a childless-by-choice couple complained of "all
these other couples in restaraunt busily trading stories about how
they toilet-trained their kids." That letter provoked a flurry of
replies which boiled down to "Get a life, plus it ain't your
restaraunt!")
Susan Cohen
Chaim Yankl wrote:
> It's demeaning. I doesn't allow women to be women.
Who says?
> God gave them a beautiful
> form and they should not hide it behind tents.
And if a woman wants to?
> It may not be tsniusdik to
> flout it but nor is there a mitsve to conceal it.
>
> It is the end result of denying them any respect in the communal arena that
> they lose their own self respect.
HUHWHAT??
> It may also be part of the reason why the
> dock area in New York swarms with heimishe yiden after the stars come out.
never mind.
Susan
Susan Cohen
Yisroel Markov wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2002 01:00:21 +0000 (UTC), jero...@hcs.harvard.edu
> (janet rosenbaum) said:
>
> >ey.m...@iname.com (Yisroel Markov) writes:
> >>Hallowed indeed. Proof: women who shave ...
> >>That's *sexy*
> >
> >if you like ingrown hairs and stubble.
>
> Nu, so who said it's easy to be a Jew?
> You do have to shave at least every other day to avoid the above.
> Depilation is a pain (literally), but I wouldn't be surprised if these
> women do it - much better results.
>
> BTW, what is this about sensitivities and facing the wrath of Susan
> Cohen?
Hey not just me, bud! I was just using myself as an example.
> This is a place for adults, no?
And why is it relegated to adults?
> (I am also reminded of a letter
> to editor in which a childless-by-choice couple complained of "all
> these other couples in restaraunt busily trading stories about how
> they toilet-trained their kids." That letter provoked a flurry of
> replies which boiled down to "Get a life, plus it ain't your
> restaraunt!")
So, IOW, the loud yakkers were rude and so were the flurriers.
When decent people are in public, they behave like they are in public.
Or does this mean I can use gutter language because we're all adults here?
Susan
Eliyahu
> On Wed, 22 May 2002 01:00:21 +0000 (UTC), jero...@hcs.harvard.edu
> (janet rosenbaum) said:
>
> >ey.m...@iname.com (Yisroel Markov) writes:
> >>Hallowed indeed. Proof: women who shave ...
> >>That's *sexy*
> >
> >if you like ingrown hairs and stubble.
>
> Nu, so who said it's easy to be a Jew?
> You do have to shave at least every other day to avoid the above.
> Depilation is a pain (literally), but I wouldn't be surprised if these
> women do it - much better results.
>
> BTW, what is this about sensitivities and facing the wrath of Susan
> Cohen? This is a place for adults, no?
It's also a community where we need to be aware of what may be offensive to
others, particularly when it's a topic with minimal topicality. I found the
drift in this thread to be inappropriate, to say the least. While there may
be a place for us to discuss our personal sexual preferences and practices
in detail, this isn't it.
Eliyahu
BAC...@vms.huji.ac.il
>From: "Chaim Yankl" <apik...@cheerful.com>
>Subject:Re: 60 ways to be a frummie
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:56:15 +0000 (UTC)
>Message-ID:<acg38e$jil$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>
>"Jonathan J. Baker" <jjb...@panix.com> wrote
> > My mother often wears a simple housedress for Shabbos dinner - having
>> taken her shower, she doesn't really want to bother getting all dressed
>> again, with all the fuss of women's clothing. But she wouldn't think
>> of going outside the house in it!
>
>
>
>ditto my dear eishes chayil. but she has an awful job finding anything
>decent without the Hungarian overstatements and one that gives her a
>resemblance of a figure.
You mean these come with a built-in crystal chandelier and plastic
slip-covers " :-)
>
>What is amazing is that these gown that remove all femininity from women are
>mostly worn on Friday nights when heimishe testosterone levels are at their
>highest. After the grapefruits of shir hashirim come the tents of 13th and
>Lee Avenue. Go know.
ROTFL !!!!
Josh
Micha Berger
: 3. I do not understand why at least several people seem to believe that just
: because I use different psuedonyms/posting i.d.'s, I actually suffer from a
: multiple personality disorder. There are any number of reasons that one who
: is _not_ psychotic might assume different posting i.d.'s or even different
: personalities _on Usenet_.
I hope this isn't too far off topic, but since the subject was raised,
I'd like to respond:
If I caught someone doing this on one of the fora that I participate in
managing, I would drop the identities.
First, because of reasons particular to those fora: We disourage the
use of handles and partial names too. The idea is to build a community,
not just shmooz from anonymity. That issue doesn't apply.
The bigger problem is that I can't see why someone would want to play
multiple roles if his interest were productive conversation. We discourage
using the list as a means to play with people's minds.
Even with multiple posting channels, I have yet to identify a constructive
reason to continue pretending to be different people even in the body
of the post.
I would hate to think the time I spend on scjm is time spent volunteering
to be someone's toy for his wordgames.
-mi
--
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http://www.aishdas.org and helps us cope with adversity.
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Micha Berger
: Exactly, no problem in the house. But in the street? Feh!
I picture that being the evolution of this norm.
The home becomes one's apartment building and bungalo colony
shmooze-klatch, none of whom stand on formality. Then one's block. Then...
Frankly, I don't see the big deal one way or the other.
Micha Berger
: It's demeaning. I doesn't allow women to be women...
: It is the end result of denying them any respect in the communal arena that
: they lose their own self respect. It may also be part of the reason why the
: dock area in New York swarms with heimishe yiden after the stars come out.
And I thought it was simple laziness. Why spend the time to get faputzt
just to look good in front of people who are having the same question?
Is having informal but shabbosdik clothing so terrible? Is a loose
sweatsuit about a non-frum woman trying to hide her womanhood, or to be
comfortable throwing on something quick?
I mean, they wouldn't wear those things to shul or a formal occasion. It's
not the persona they want to project when they think about projecting
an image.
Yisroel Markov
FWIW, R' Pesach Eliayhu Falk in his "Modesty: An Adornment For Life"
came out strongly against this "bringing the atmosphere of the Jewish
home out into the non-Jewish street", or words to that effect.
Abe Kohen
"Micha Berger" <mi...@aishdas.org> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 22 May 2002 14:03:06 +0000 (UTC), Chaim Yankl
<apik...@cheerful.com> wrote:
> : It's demeaning. I doesn't allow women to be women...
> : It is the end result of denying them any respect in the communal arena
that
> : they lose their own self respect. It may also be part of the reason why
the
> : dock area in New York swarms with heimishe yiden after the stars come
out.
>
> And I thought it was simple laziness. Why spend the time to get faputzt
Micha,
Coming from you I had to do a double take on that last word until I realized
what you MEANT to say.
Oy.
Abe
Jeff
news:pgpmoose.2002...@scjm.nj.org...
> >ditto my dear eishes chayil. but she has an awful job finding anything
> >decent without the Hungarian overstatements and one that gives her a
> >resemblance of a figure.
>
>
> You mean these come with a built-in crystal chandelier and plastic
> slip-covers " :-)
This reminds me of a scene in the movie 'Somewhere Over The Bklyn. Bridge'
where the main character goes to visit relatives of his on a very rainy
night and the woman right away insists that he meet with her husband in the
bathroom so he doesn't get the furniture and carpetting wet. The poor
husband vents to his visitor something to the effect of: "She's got plastic
on top of plastic over the furniture and I still can't sit on it..."
Note: I saw that movie a long time ago and do not recall any of the credits.
I feel I should note that I while I found the movie entertaining, I objected
to the denigration of Jews and the glamorization of intermarriage that it
conveyed.
Jeff
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> It's also a community where we need to be aware of what may be offensive
to
> others, particularly when it's a topic with minimal topicality. I found
the
> drift in this thread to be inappropriate, to say the least. While there
may
> be a place for us to discuss our personal sexual preferences and practices
> in detail, this isn't it.
>
> Eliyahu
AMEN!
Such off-color talk is also completely inconsistent with Torah standards.
C. Ramko
What is 'frum'?
Chris Ramko
Fred Rosenblatt
I'd never seen one of these until my daughter received one as a wedding
present from the wife of our mesader kiddushin, a relative of the groom's
from Brooklyn. As it turns out it was too small, and I don't know if she
ever exchanged it, or wore it outside (definitely not common in her
neighborhood). But the garment itself didn't strike me as terribly
controversial. It was a velour type robe like many robes I've seen,
reasonably feminine. It isn't Frederick's of Hollywood, but you can't
disparage it for that.
BlackMonk
Usenet really isn't the place for an eight year old. Lots of grown-ups
talking about grown-up things. (Not to mention those who are permanently
stuck at a 16-year old's mentality, which is worse.) This group is no
exception, there are a lot of legitimate Jewish subjects that aren't
appropriate for someone that young.
> Susan
BAC...@vms.huji.ac.il
>From: "C. Ramko" <vi...@u.washington.edu>
>Subject:Re: 60 ways to be a frummie
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:31:07 +0000 (UTC)
>Message-ID:<Pine.A41.4.44.020522...@homer08.u.washington.edu>
>Okay, I've what may seem a really silly question....
>
>What is 'frum'?
Yiddish for "religious"
Josh
>
>Chris Ramko
Micha Berger
: Okay, I've what may seem a really silly question....
: What is 'frum'?
O.
However, frum can also be used to denote of all the trapping more than the
substance.
-mi
Jeff
"BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> Usenet really isn't the place for an eight year old.
I agree completely and would say the same about the internet alltogether.
>Lots of grown-ups
> talking about grown-up things. (Not to mention those who are permanently
> stuck at a 16-year old's mentality, which is worse.) This group is no
> exception, there are a lot of legitimate Jewish subjects that aren't
> appropriate for someone that young.
True but there are also certain types of discussions that aren't appropriate
even for adults, at least on a non- X-rated forum such as this.
The way this thread degenerated is one of those.
Chaim Yankl
"Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)" <icsrcoup...@matrix.ru>
wrote in message
>
> Kush mir in tuches, zeyr tiff tiff.
>
A Creedmoorer minhag? And does it cause muteness in children as the 69 does?
Give us some feedback please.
Susan Cohen
Jeff wrote:
> [ Moderator's Comment: Let's not degenerate any further HPG ]
> "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:ach4he$psbe2$1...@ID-133514.news.dfncis.de...
>
> > Usenet really isn't the place for an eight year old.
>
> I agree completely and would say the same about the internet alltogether.
No, there are plenty of sites specifically dedicated to younger
children and are extremely educational.
> >Lots of grown-ups
> > talking about grown-up things. (Not to mention those who are permanently
> > stuck at a 16-year old's mentality, which is worse.) This group is no
> > exception, there are a lot of legitimate Jewish subjects that aren't
> > appropriate for someone that young.
>
> True but there are also certain types of discussions that aren't appropriate
> even for adults, at least on a non- X-rated forum such as this.
>
> The way this thread degenerated is one of those.
It's one thing to discuss adult subjects in a scholarly manner appropriate
for non-X-rtated fora such as this. It's another to discuss them in such a way
that they really don't belong here.
Susan
Eliyahu
>
>
> I would hate to think the time I spend on scjm is time spent volunteering
> to be someone's toy for his wordgames.
>
write, so don't feel that your time is wasted.
--
Eliyahu Rooff
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Eliyahu
"BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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>
adult supervision. While there are many things discussed here that would
simply be too boring for kids, and some legit topics that might need adult
discretion, this one really had no Jewish content, didn't deal with halacha,
minhagim or Jewish culture, and was clearly offensive to some of our regular
members. I think that's enough reason to drop it now.
Eliyahu Rooff, speaking for the moderators.
Susan Cohen
Eliyahu wrote:
> "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:ach4he$psbe2$1...@ID-133514.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > Usenet really isn't the place for an eight year old. Lots of grown-ups
> > talking about grown-up things. (Not to mention those who are permanently
> > stuck at a 16-year old's mentality, which is worse.) This group is no
> > exception, there are a lot of legitimate Jewish subjects that aren't
> > appropriate for someone that young.
> >
> But a moderated Jewish group should be reasonably safe for children with
> adult supervision. While there are many things discussed here that would
> simply be too boring for kids, and some legit topics that might need adult
> discretion, this one really had no Jewish content, didn't deal with halacha,
> minhagim or Jewish culture, and was clearly offensive to some of our regular
> members.
I wish to go on record as saying that I was more surprised than offended.
But I did wish to support those who had been offended, because I could
efinitely see their point, and had a handy example at my fingertips (so to
speak!)
Susan
Eliyahu
"C. Ramko" <vi...@u.washington.edu> wrote in message
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> Okay, I've what may seem a really silly question....
>
> What is 'frum'?
>
lifestyle, particularly in relation to dress and conduct. In the original
post on this thread, it was a parody of what some Jews see as excessive or
obsessive attention to it.
--
Eliyahu Rooff
www.geocities.com/Area51/Underworld/8096/HomePage.htm
Jeff
> On Wed, 22 May 2002 20:31:07 +0000 (UTC), C. Ramko
<vi...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> : Okay, I've what may seem a really silly question....
> : What is 'frum'?
>
> O.
('O' is the standard abbreviation for 'Orthodox' on this newsgroup, as 'R'
is for 'Reform' and 'C' is for 'Conservative'. )
> However, frum can also be used to denote of all the trapping more than the
> substance.
My understanding is that the term 'Frumkeit' is often used to denote this.
I have noticed, however, that at least two posters here use it to refer
simply to Torah Judaism, such as "...left frumkeit...". In such cases,
'Yiddishkeit' , 'Orthodoxy' or 'observance' would be far more appropriate.
Henry Goodman
"Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> wrote in message
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> "Micha Berger" <mi...@aishdas.org> wrote in message
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>
> > On Wed, 22 May 2002 20:31:07 +0000 (UTC), C. Ramko
> <vi...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> > : Okay, I've what may seem a really silly question....
> > : What is 'frum'?
> >
> > O.
>
> ('O' is the standard abbreviation for 'Orthodox' on this newsgroup, as 'R'
> is for 'Reform' and 'C' is for 'Conservative'. )
>
[...]
The word orthodox is ambiguous. It can mean frum, i.e. fully observant. It
can also be used to describe someone who belongs to an Orthodox shul (as
distinct from Reform or Liberal) but is not necessarily fully observant (The
shul I don't go to is orthodox). The majority of Jews in this Country (UK)
are in this category but they would not be called frum.
--
Henry Goodman
henry....@virgin.net
Jonathan J. Baker
>Eliyahu wrote:
>> "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
>> > Usenet really isn't the place for an eight year old. Lots of grown-ups
>> > talking about grown-up things. (Not to mention those who are permanently
>> But a moderated Jewish group should be reasonably safe for children with
>> adult supervision. While there are many things discussed here that would
>I wish to go on record as saying that I was more surprised than offended.
>But I did wish to support those who had been offended, because I could
>efinitely see their point, and had a handy example at my fingertips (so to
>speak!)
Well, many say (e.g. the L. Rebbe) that Rashi was intended for five-year-olds
to study. Unexpurgated Rashi can be pretty racy, such as talking about the
reason for avoiding relations for 3 days before matan torah, or the definition
of mishkav zachar.
--
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jjb...@panix.com | Iyar, nose & throat doctor.
Web page <http://www.panix.com/~jjbaker>
Yisroel Markov
Only one of the processes that constitute a "69" is alleged to have
this effect. Is there anything anywhere in halakhic literature
prohibiting a wife from performing oral sex on her husband? If not,
why not? (I know I've said this before, but it annoys me that Raavad
and all who repeat it after him call female genitals "disgusting", but
don't apply the same to themselves.)
Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)
"Jonathan J. Baker" <jjb...@panix.com> wrote in message
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>> Well, many say (e.g. the L. Rebbe) that Rashi was intended for
five-year-olds
> to study. Unexpurgated Rashi can be pretty racy, such as talking about
the
> reason for avoiding relations for 3 days before matan torah, or the
definition
> of mishkav zachar.
The Creedmoorer asks: Can a five year old engage in mishkav zachar within 3
days of matan torah? His answer - a three year old may engage in mishkav
zachar within 5 days of matan skila.
Ian
Fred Rosenblatt
> >Eliyahu wrote:
> >> "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
>
> >> > Usenet really isn't the place for an eight year old. Lots of grown-ups
> >> > talking about grown-up things. (Not to mention those who are permanently
>
> >> But a moderated Jewish group should be reasonably safe for children with
> >> adult supervision. While there are many things discussed here that would
>
> >I wish to go on record as saying that I was more surprised than offended.
> >But I did wish to support those who had been offended, because I could
> >efinitely see their point, and had a handy example at my fingertips (so to
> >speak!)
>
> Well, many say (e.g. the L. Rebbe) that Rashi was intended for five-year-olds
> to study. Unexpurgated Rashi can be pretty racy, such as talking about the
> reason for avoiding relations for 3 days before matan torah, or the definition
> of mishkav zachar.
I noticed that Silverman (?) didn't translate the naughty bits.
Joe Bachman
newsgroups as less of a "community" tha as a forum for exchanging ideas.
One problem with SCJM (and the Jewish "community" in general) is that,
despite the sometimes excessive argumentation )over what I think are
trivialities), there is a tremendous amount of "groupthink" that impedes
full consideration of valid ideas. Thus, Menachem Mavet exists to allow me to
post ideas with which I don't necessarily agree, but which I think are
valid and need to be considered by thoughtful Jews. Given the extreme emotional
responses of many people, I wouldn't particularly want to post these opinions
under my own name -- having to clear vitriol from my e-mail inbox is not
exactly my favorite pastime.
I'm not sure how such postings in and of themselves are "playing with
peoples' minds," any more than posting unpopular ideas is playing with
peoples' minds. We have a choice of how we react to stuff. (I need to
remember this, myself.) If we get upset by something, maybe we are to blame
for our reaction, not the person who posts the provocation.
Joe
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> Is there anything anywhere in halakhic literature
> prohibiting a wife from
[...]
"The general overall discussion of whether there are
permitted/prohibited actvities could be halachically okay to discuss.
Once specific are dicussed it is not appropriate for a public forum, but
should be in private for those for whom it is applicable."
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Subject: Re: Homosexuality unnatural? Was Re: Taliban-like extremists
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:06:13 +0000 (UTC)
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