Kosher Costco in Waltham MA
General Schvantzkoph
stores in Massachusetts but I know from previous threads that there is at
least one other person on SCJM who lives in my part of Massachusetts.
I was in Waltham this afternoon for a meeting and we had to kill an hour
so we stopped into the Waltham Costco. To my surprise there is a large
Kosher section in the Waltham Costco which has two Costco sized
refrigerator cases of Kosher meat, poultry and fish (I don't understand
why salmon needs a hechsher, but the salmon in the Waltham Costco had
it).
Abe Kohen
"General Schvantzkoph" <schvan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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What I've noticed in the East Harlem Costco is:
a. the bakery is kosher
b. the kosher meat section is shrinking, and they put non-kosher turkey
right next to the kosher turkey in the same section.
c. they have the "kosher" salmon
d. some people who are least likely to be Jewish buy kosher meat and poultry
Which reminds me, I was in Boston at Whole Foods on Cambridge Street last
night, and I saw an aisle marked "crackers" and I did a double take because
I thought they were selling white people.
Best,
Abe
Patty
wrote:
The Laurel MD Costco has carried items with hechshers for decades
including Empire chicken, lox, Hebrew National 2 pound salamis, and a
brand of corned beef and pastrami (I forget what brand, I dropped my
membership after I stopped running my office coffee mess) and other
commercial products that are trademarked U-O kosher and other brands.
Harry Weiss
In many of the cities with larger Jewish population Costco will have a
good selction of kosher products with excellent prices. In several in
the NY area the in house bakery is ceritified kosher.
Unfortunately in Sacramento they only have the general products that
happen to have kosher ceritifcation. Regarding Salmon, the Costco brand
(Kirkland) Salmon and Steelhead Trout have an OU. Some people prefer it.
There are obviously sufficient people that want it that make it worth
the cost to them. To a manufacturer the kosher symbol is an another
advertising/marketing tool, which is eveluated for cost effetiveness.
Most Costco brand products are not made by them, but like other private
labels, there is a company that makes for numerous stores/distributers.
I wish Costco would get a hasgach on their other fish items, which do
really need one.
--
Harry J. Weiss
hjw...@panix.com
sheldonlg
Don Levey
> Serious question: Why would a fish like salmon require a hechser?
>
>
species/seafood - or, in the case of smoked salmon or salmon mixed with
other ingredients, to ensure that there was nothing non-kosher added?
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sheldonlg
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> On 8/4/2010 10:27, sheldonlg wrote:
>> Serious question: Why would a fish like salmon require a hechser?
>>
>>
> Perhaps to ensure that it was not processed along with non-kosher
> species/seafood - or, in the case of smoked salmon or salmon mixed with
> other ingredients, to ensure that there was nothing non-kosher added?
OK. Good point.
sheldonlg
"sheldonlg" <shel...@thevillages.net> wrote in message
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On second thought, for the case of salmon fillets (not processed salmon
where you have to worry about other ingredients), would the mere contact
with shellfish make it unkosher?
Don Levey
I don't know, but I remember Cindy discussing bringing her own knife to
a fish counter to have them use it to cut up a fish.
Adelle
> On 8/4/2010 10:55, sheldonlg wrote:
>> "sheldonlg" <shel...@thevillages.net> wrote in message
>> news:nomdneXb0aZk5sTR...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "Don Levey" <Don_...@the-leveys.us> wrote in message
>>> news:i3btlt$5rg$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On 8/4/2010 10:27, sheldonlg wrote:
>>>>> Serious question: Why would a fish like salmon require a hechser?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Perhaps to ensure that it was not processed along with non-kosher
>>>> species/seafood - or, in the case of smoked salmon or salmon mixed with
>>>> other ingredients, to ensure that there was nothing non-kosher added?
>>>
>>> OK. Good point.
>>>
>>
>> On second thought, for the case of salmon fillets (not processed salmon
>> where you have to worry about other ingredients), would the mere contact
>> with shellfish make it unkosher?
>>
>>
> If it was cut with a knife used to fillet catfish, or split a lobster?
> I don't know, but I remember Cindy discussing bringing her own knife to
> a fish counter to have them use it to cut up a fish.
Which always confused me as I thought the two issues were:
1 - 'bishul' - was it cooked? And mere cutting does not add heat
2 - Taam, did it pick up the taste of the non-appropriate food and what
percentage did that 'offending' food add up to as part of the whole. Didn't
think cold cutting did either.
Besides, it is unlikely, in a fish shop, that the same kinds of knives
needed for butchering finned fish would be the appropriate tools for
handling shellfish (though they might be used for squid Octopus and
Swordfish).
Adelle
Don Levey
> "Don Levey" <Don_...@the-leveys.us> wrote in message
> news:i3buuc$5rg$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 8/4/2010 10:55, sheldonlg wrote:
>>> "sheldonlg" <shel...@thevillages.net> wrote in message
>>> news:nomdneXb0aZk5sTR...@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>> where you have to worry about other ingredients), would the mere contact
>>> with shellfish make it unkosher?
>>>
>>>
>> If it was cut with a knife used to fillet catfish, or split a lobster?
>> I don't know, but I remember Cindy discussing bringing her own knife to
>> a fish counter to have them use it to cut up a fish.
>
> Which always confused me as I thought the two issues were:
>
> 1 - 'bishul' - was it cooked? And mere cutting does not add heat
> 2 - Taam, did it pick up the taste of the non-appropriate food and what
> percentage did that 'offending' food add up to as part of the whole. Didn't
> think cold cutting did either.
>
> Besides, it is unlikely, in a fish shop, that the same kinds of knives
> needed for butchering finned fish would be the appropriate tools for
> handling shellfish (though they might be used for squid Octopus and
> Swordfish).
>
I can't say as I know. However, in the case of fish that was processed
elsewhere, I can see some people being concerned enough to want to ask
the questions which a hechsher would answer.
Micha Berger
> "Don Levey" <Don_...@the-leveys.us> wrote in message
> news:i3buuc$5rg$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> I don't know, but I remember Cindy discussing bringing her own knife to
>> a fish counter to have them use it to cut up a fish.
>
> Which always confused me as I thought the two issues were:
>
> 1 - 'bishul' - was it cooked? And mere cutting does not add heat
> 2 - Taam, did it pick up the taste of the non-appropriate food and what
> percentage did that 'offending' food add up to as part of the whole. Didn't
> think cold cutting did either.
You assume that they wash the all the visible fish off the knife. (And
what if it was washed with hot water and used to cut fish before
cooling?) I think that's the problem here. Rather than rely on washing
and inspection, just bring your own knife.
Just FYI:
I don't think bishul is a separate issue -- it's a way for a "taste"
of the food to enter the knife. If the food is sharp or hot (in taste),
it can also change the status of the knife. E.g. a cold spoon of chili
has similar problems as a hot spoon of a more mild stew.
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha
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Adelle
Yeah - it was me. So glad you found it!
Fressen gesundeheit!
Adelle
Yisroel Markov
<abek...@gmail.com> said:
>"General Schvantzkoph" <schvan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Sorry to everybody in the rest of the world who couldn't care less about
>> stores in Massachusetts but I know from previous threads that there is at
>> least one other person on SCJM who lives in my part of Massachusetts.
>>
>> I was in Waltham this afternoon for a meeting and we had to kill an hour
>> so we stopped into the Waltham Costco. To my surprise there is a large
>> Kosher section in the Waltham Costco which has two Costco sized
>> refrigerator cases of Kosher meat, poultry and fish
They have added a couple of kinds of halav yisrael cheese recently (in
large packages usual to Costco), and that's been a real boon.
The only thing that's bothersome is that limited as their selection
is, it's still not the same across all the region's stores. Thus,
e.g., the Waltham Costco has the kosher cheese, but not Taster's
Choice coffee, and in Dedham Costco it's the reverse, so we can't
always go to just one of them.
>(I don't understand
>> why salmon needs a hechsher, but the salmon in the Waltham Costco had
>> it).
Non-kosher ingredients/pollutants that may be introduced during
processing, that's why.
>What I've noticed in the East Harlem Costco is:
>
>a. the bakery is kosher
>
>b. the kosher meat section is shrinking, and they put non-kosher turkey
>right next to the kosher turkey in the same section.
>
>c. they have the "kosher" salmon
>
>d. some people who are least likely to be Jewish buy kosher meat and poultry
>
>Which reminds me, I was in Boston at Whole Foods on Cambridge Street last
>night, and I saw an aisle marked "crackers" and I did a double take because
>I thought they were selling white people.
What's a Jew doing in that horribly retail store? :-)
--
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Abe Kohen
"Yisroel Markov" <ey.m...@MUNGiname.com> wrote in message
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Unlike other visits to the Greater Boston area where I visited Trader Joe's,
Shaws or Star Market; Rami's, ... this was not a trip for pleasure.
Best,
Abe
[posted]
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
>
> Sorry to everybody in the rest of the world who couldn't care less
> about stores in Massachusetts but I know from previous threads that
> there is at least one other person on SCJM who lives in my part of
> Massachusetts.
No needto be sorry. Hearing about how kosher is available is very
much part of Jewish culture.
> I was in Waltham this afternoon for a meeting and we had to kill
> an hour
Did you say kaddish for it? :-)
> so we stopped into the Waltham Costco. To my surprise there is a
> large Kosher section in the Waltham Costco which has two Costco
> sized refrigerator cases of Kosher meat, poultry and fish
If I lived in USA I'd be jealous, but here that's true of all
stores! :-)
> (I don't understand why salmon needs a hechsher, but the salmon in
> the Waltham Costco had it).
I assume the hechsher is to say that the fish _is_ indeed salmon.
--
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> Adelle <adstavisa...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> "Don Levey" <Don_...@the-leveys.us> wrote in message
>
>>> I don't know, but I remember Cindy discussing bringing her own knife to
>>> a fish counter to have them use it to cut up a fish.
>>
>> Which always confused me as I thought the two issues were:
>>
>> 1 - 'bishul' - was it cooked? And mere cutting does not add heat
>> 2 - Taam, did it pick up the taste of the non-appropriate food and what
>> percentage did that 'offending' food add up to as part of the whole. Didn't
>> think cold cutting did either.
>
> You assume that they wash the all the visible fish off the knife. (And
> what if it was washed with hot water and used to cut fish before
> cooling?) I think that's the problem here. Rather than rely on washing
> and inspection, just bring your own knife.
>
> Just FYI:
> I don't think bishul is a separate issue -- it's a way for a "taste"
> of the food to enter the knife. If the food is sharp or hot (in taste),
> it can also change the status of the knife. E.g. a cold spoon of chili
> has similar problems as a hot spoon of a more mild stew.
In that last sentence, I think you meant "knife" rather than "spoon".
Asher N
> General Schvantzkoph <schvan...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>> Sorry to everybody in the rest of the world who couldn't care less
>> about stores in Massachusetts but I know from previous threads that
>> there is at least one other person on SCJM who lives in my part of
>> Massachusetts.
>
> No needto be sorry. Hearing about how kosher is available is very
> much part of Jewish culture.
>
>> I was in Waltham this afternoon for a meeting and we had to kill
>> an hour
>
> Did you say kaddish for it? :-)
>
>> so we stopped into the Waltham Costco. To my surprise there is a
>> large Kosher section in the Waltham Costco which has two Costco
>> sized refrigerator cases of Kosher meat, poultry and fish
>
> If I lived in USA I'd be jealous, but here that's true of all
> stores! :-)
>
>> (I don't understand why salmon needs a hechsher, but the salmon in
>> the Waltham Costco had it).
>
> I assume the hechsher is to say that the fish _is_ indeed salmon.
>
Unlikely. That would be covered by other food and advertising regulations.
It's likely to certify that it has not come in contact with non-kosher
foods.
mm
<hjw...@panix.com> wrote:
>General Schvantzkoph <schvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Sorry to everybody in the rest of the world who couldn't care less about
>> stores in Massachusetts but I know from previous threads that there is at
>> least one other person on SCJM who lives in my part of Massachusetts.
>
>
>> I was in Waltham this afternoon for a meeting and we had to kill an hour
>> so we stopped into the Waltham Costco. To my surprise there is a large
>> Kosher section in the Waltham Costco which has two Costco sized
>> refrigerator cases of Kosher meat, poultry and fish (I don't understand
>> why salmon needs a hechsher, but the salmon in the Waltham Costco had
>> it).
>
>In many of the cities with larger Jewish population Costco will have a
>good selction of kosher products with excellent prices.
Yes. I think the General's point was that Waltham was one of those
cities, not that it was surprising for Costco to have a kosher
section.
>In several in
>the NY area the in house bakery is ceritified kosher.
How would that work. When a Jew owns the bakery, he cqan have
non-Jewish employees who do a lot of the work, as long as he
participates in the baking, even something like lighting the oven.
When he's sick, he either has a Jewish partner, or he'll have his wife
or child, or parent, go in in the morning and light the oven, or a
Jewish friend. They'll all make sure it gets done, because the
business is important to him. IIUC, the Jew temp woudn't have to stay
all day because there is no way they can make a treif baked good with
the ingredients that are there
But what if Costco has a kosher bakery and the Jew who works there is
sick. Is his wife or child going to come in? What arrangement would
Costco, or would the mashgiach, have to make?
>Unfortunately in Sacramento they only have the general products that
>happen to have kosher ceritifcation. Regarding Salmon, the Costco brand
>(Kirkland) Salmon and Steelhead Trout have an OU. Some people prefer it.
>There are obviously sufficient people that want it that make it worth
>the cost to them. To a manufacturer the kosher symbol is an another
>advertising/marketing tool, which is eveluated for cost effetiveness.
>
>Most Costco brand products are not made by them, but like other private
>labels, there is a company that makes for numerous stores/distributers.
>
>I wish Costco would get a hasgach on their other fish items, which do
>really need one.
--
Meir
"The baby's name is Shlomo. He's named after his grandfather, Scott."
Yisroel Markov
<Don_...@the-leveys.us> said:
>On 8/4/2010 10:55, sheldonlg wrote:
>> "sheldonlg" <shel...@thevillages.net> wrote in message
>> news:nomdneXb0aZk5sTR...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "Don Levey" <Don_...@the-leveys.us> wrote in message
>>> news:i3btlt$5rg$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On 8/4/2010 10:27, sheldonlg wrote:
>>>>> Serious question: Why would a fish like salmon require a hechser?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Perhaps to ensure that it was not processed along with non-kosher
>>>> species/seafood - or, in the case of smoked salmon or salmon mixed with
>>>> other ingredients, to ensure that there was nothing non-kosher added?
>>>
>>> OK. Good point.
>>
>> On second thought, for the case of salmon fillets (not processed salmon
>> where you have to worry about other ingredients), would the mere contact
>> with shellfish make it unkosher?
>>
>If it was cut with a knife used to fillet catfish, or split a lobster?
>I don't know, but I remember Cindy discussing bringing her own knife to
>a fish counter to have them use it to cut up a fish.
AFAIK a fish knife, which is always used cold, can be simply rinsed
before cutting a kosher fish. That's the law; what people insist on is
frequently above and beyond that. But for this to work, you have to
see them wash it.
General Schvantzkoph
>>In many of the cities with larger Jewish population Costco will have a
>>good selction of kosher products with excellent prices.
>
> Yes. I think the General's point was that Waltham was one of those
> cities, not that it was surprising for Costco to have a kosher section.
I was genuinely surprised at the size of the Kosher section in Waltham. I
do all of my shopping at the Nashua Costco which only has Hebrew National
hotdogs and salami, no chicken or other unprocessed meat. I don't keep
kosher but I like some kosher products. In recent years it's been harder
and harder to find anything Kosher outside of heavily Jewish
neighborhoods like Brookline (which is an hour away from me). Aside from
Hebrew National hotdogs the supermarkets in Nashua no longer carry any
Kosher meat except around Passover when you can buy an Empire chicken for
$4.50 a pound (Costco was selling them at $2.39/lb, expensive compared to
a goyishe chicken but a huge bargain when compared to the supermarkets).
Until a few years ago there were always a few Empire products in the
freezers and you could get Hebrew National coldcuts as well as hotdogs.
Admittedly that wouldn't have been a lot to chose from for people who
kept Kosher, but it satisfied the needs of someone like me who just
wanted a Kosher chicken every now and then. I've been hunting for a place
to satisfy my needs. I've tried the Butcherie in Brookline but it has
Soviet quality standards. That's not hyperbole, on the couple of
occasions that I've bought meat there when I got it home I found that it
was turning gray. The Butcherie is staffed by Russians. My girlfriend
grew up in Leningrad, she says that all meat in the Soviet Union was gray
or worse black, so when I say the Butcherie has Soviet standards I mean
that literally. Costco has the highest quality and cleanliness standards
of any major store in the US so finding out that there was a Costco that
could satisfy all of my Kosher needs was a very pleasant surprise.
maxine in ri
> Which reminds me, I was in Boston at Whole Foods on Cambridge Street last
> night, and I saw an aisle marked "crackers" and I did a double take because
> I thought they were selling white people.
>
> Best,
> Abe
Ha. Ha. Ha. Not in Boston, they don't.
maxine in ri
maxine in ri
My sister gets her kosher meat there. I do sometimes as well.
maxine in ri
Harry Weiss
> Serious question: Why would a fish like salmon require a hechser?
Actually the OU rules that salmon does not need a hechsher. Other fish
fillets do since one cannot tell for sure that it is the fish claimed.
However, some people will select a brand over another because of the
hasgacha (in some cases even non Jews) and that may make it financially
worth while.
Harry Weiss
> Adelle
It is a real issue in normal fish store. One can be their own supervisor
and have them wash the knife in your presence, cut on paper. As long as
you see enough of the fish to recognize what fish it is that will suffice.
In large quantity wholesale such as Costco brand where they cut thousands
of fillets at a time, the likliehood of having some remnants of something
not kosher on it is miniscule.
Harry Weiss
I don't know if it Pas Yisroel. It could be the over never cools down.
FOr a bakery only occasional inspection is required by many agencies.
> >Unfortunately in Sacramento they only have the general products that
> >happen to have kosher ceritifcation. Regarding Salmon, the Costco brand
> >(Kirkland) Salmon and Steelhead Trout have an OU. Some people prefer it.
> >There are obviously sufficient people that want it that make it worth
> >the cost to them. To a manufacturer the kosher symbol is an another
> >advertising/marketing tool, which is eveluated for cost effetiveness.
> >
> >Most Costco brand products are not made by them, but like other private
> >labels, there is a company that makes for numerous stores/distributers.
> >
> >I wish Costco would get a hasgach on their other fish items, which do
> >really need one.
> --
> Meir
> "The baby's name is Shlomo. He's named after his grandfather, Scott."
--
Harry J. Weiss
hjw...@panix.com
Harry Weiss
Not true. Salmon is different because of the color. One cannot buy
cod, mahi mahi, ahi tuna, sea bass fillets etc. without hasghach.
mm
<hjw...@panix.com> wrote:
>Asher N <compg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote in news:2010Aug...@mm.huji.ac.il:
>
>> > General Schvantzkoph <schvan...@yahoo.com> writes:
>> >>
>> >> Sorry to everybody in the rest of the world who couldn't care less
>> >> about stores in Massachusetts but I know from previous threads that
>> >> there is at least one other person on SCJM who lives in my part of
>> >> Massachusetts.
>> >
>> > No needto be sorry. Hearing about how kosher is available is very
>> > much part of Jewish culture.
>> >
>> >> I was in Waltham this afternoon for a meeting and we had to kill
>> >> an hour
>> >
>> > Did you say kaddish for it? :-)
>> >
>> >> so we stopped into the Waltham Costco. To my surprise there is a
>> >> large Kosher section in the Waltham Costco which has two Costco
>> >> sized refrigerator cases of Kosher meat, poultry and fish
>> >
>> > If I lived in USA I'd be jealous, but here that's true of all
>> > stores! :-)
>> >
>> >> (I don't understand why salmon needs a hechsher, but the salmon in
>> >> the Waltham Costco had it).
>> >
>> > I assume the hechsher is to say that the fish _is_ indeed salmon.
>> >
>
>> Unlikely. That would be covered by other food and advertising regulations.
But isn't it only milk in the US where gvernment regulartions are
relied on. That is, maybe it woudl be covered by other food
regulations, but those regulations aren't enough to rely on. There is
a lot of fake fish around, with one variety sold as another.
However I googled about this, and wrt salmon, the big deal is
pretending that farm-raised salmon was "wild caught". The wild stuff
has more color because of the plankton it eats, but they've learned to
feed the farm stuff something that makes it red also. It says,
however, that the color wanes when to the fist is cooked, unlike wild
salmon. Also wild salmon has more flavor and is firmer. That's all I
know!
Would a kosher certifying company keep track of wild versus farm? I
would guess no.
>> It's likely to certify that it has not come in contact with non-kosher
>> foods.
>
>Not true. Salmon is different because of the color. One cannot buy
>cod, mahi mahi, ahi tuna, sea bass fillets etc. without hasghach.
--
Meir
Asher N
news:i3g57o$dvg$1...@reader1.panix.com:
But there is a variety of trout that very closely resembles salmon.Yes I
know trout is a kosher fish, but you cannot rely on colour alone to
identify a fish.
Harry Weiss
No. Actually according to the latest meshugass farm is better froma
Kashrut standpoint.
I think it was consumer reports that tested fish and 80% of the Red
Snapper sold was other fish.
> >> It's likely to certify that it has not come in contact with non-kosher
> >> foods.
> >
> >Not true. Salmon is different because of the color. One cannot buy
> >cod, mahi mahi, ahi tuna, sea bass fillets etc. without hasghach.
> --
> Meir
> "The baby's name is Shlomo. He's named after his grandfather, Scott."
--
Harry J. Weiss
hjw...@panix.com
Harry Weiss
Yes steel head trout reseembles salmon's color, but they are the only one
and as you said a kosher fish. (I gave the OUs opinion, but some may
disagree. That is why it may pay to get the hasagacha.)
Yisroel Markov
<schvan...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>>>In many of the cities with larger Jewish population Costco will have a
>>>good selction of kosher products with excellent prices.
>>
>> Yes. I think the General's point was that Waltham was one of those
>> cities, not that it was surprising for Costco to have a kosher section.
Actually, Waltham isn't much of a Jewish city. It's just that Costco
has no locations in Brighton and Brookline, but its Waltham and Dedham
stores are reasonably close. (The Everett Costco is actually even
closer to us, and close to the small Jewish community of Malden, but
it's inconvenient for us to get to - you have to go through downtown
Boston - so it probably doesn't get much Jewish traffic and therefore
carries fewer "specifically kosher" products like meat and cheese.)
>I was genuinely surprised at the size of the Kosher section in Waltham. I
>do all of my shopping at the Nashua Costco which only has Hebrew National
>hotdogs and salami, no chicken or other unprocessed meat. I don't keep
>kosher but I like some kosher products. In recent years it's been harder
>and harder to find anything Kosher outside of heavily Jewish
>neighborhoods like Brookline (which is an hour away from me). Aside from
>Hebrew National hotdogs the supermarkets in Nashua no longer carry any
>Kosher meat except around Passover when you can buy an Empire chicken for
>$4.50 a pound (Costco was selling them at $2.39/lb, expensive compared to
>a goyishe chicken but a huge bargain when compared to the supermarkets).
>Until a few years ago there were always a few Empire products in the
>freezers and you could get Hebrew National coldcuts as well as hotdogs.
>Admittedly that wouldn't have been a lot to chose from for people who
>kept Kosher, but it satisfied the needs of someone like me who just
>wanted a Kosher chicken every now and then. I've been hunting for a place
>to satisfy my needs. I've tried the Butcherie in Brookline but it has
>Soviet quality standards. That's not hyperbole, on the couple of
>occasions that I've bought meat there when I got it home I found that it
>was turning gray. The Butcherie is staffed by Russians. My girlfriend
>grew up in Leningrad, she says that all meat in the Soviet Union was gray
>or worse black, so when I say the Butcherie has Soviet standards I mean
>that literally. Costco has the highest quality and cleanliness standards
>of any major store in the US so finding out that there was a Costco that
>could satisfy all of my Kosher needs was a very pleasant surprise.
Just for an alternative view: I, too, grew up in Leningrad (and my
wife, in Moscow), and we both like the Butcherie.
cindys
wrote:
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>Costco has the highest quality and cleanliness standards
> of any major store in the US
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I would be willing to bet that the quality and cleanliness standards
of Wegmans are at least as high as Costco's, if not higher.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Yussel
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 05:12:38 +0000 (UTC), Harry Weiss
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> >Asher N <compguy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote innews:2010Aug...@mm.huji.ac.il:
After living a year in Alaska I can testify that wild salmon and
farmed salmon are two different animals and the farmed variety isn't
even a close second.
Joel
maxine in ri
Crowded, narrow aisles, people pushing and shoving...but they do have
a very wide selection of kosher and Israeli foods that you don't find
too
many other places.
;-)
maxine in ri
who does brave the Butcherie, but only before a chag!
Abe Kohen
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Reminds me of shopping in Israel, where I occasionally have to remark "Kahn
zeh lo Roosia." (It's not Russia here.)
I visited the Butcherie once and walked right out without buying anything,
so I can't really comment on the store itself, only on your conflicting
descriptions.
Best,
Abe
Yisroel Markov
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>On Aug 8, 10:34 pm, Yisroel Markov <ey.mar...@MUNGiname.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:03:03 +0000 (UTC), General Schvantzkoph wrote:
[snip]
>> >to satisfy my needs. I've tried the Butcherie in Brookline but it has
>> >Soviet quality standards. That's not hyperbole, on the couple of
>> >occasions that I've bought meat there when I got it home I found that it
>> >was turning gray. The Butcherie is staffed by Russians. My girlfriend
>> >grew up in Leningrad, she says that all meat in the Soviet Union was gray
>> >or worse black, so when I say the Butcherie has Soviet standards I mean
>> >that literally. Costco has the highest quality and cleanliness standards
>> >of any major store in the US so finding out that there was a Costco that
>> >could satisfy all of my Kosher needs was a very pleasant surprise.
>>
>> Just for an alternative view: I, too, grew up in Leningrad (and my
>> wife, in Moscow), and we both like the Butcherie.
>
>Crowded, narrow aisles, people pushing and shoving...but they do have
>a very wide selection of kosher and Israeli foods that you don't find
>too many other places.
>;-)
>
>maxine in ri
>who does brave the Butcherie, but only before a chag!
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>Reminds me of shopping in Israel, where I occasionally have to remark "Kahn
>zeh lo Roosia." (It's not Russia here.)
>
>I visited the Butcherie once and walked right out without buying anything,
>so I can't really comment on the store itself, only on your conflicting
>descriptions.
They aren't really conflicting. Yes, the Butcherie is cramped.
Commercial real estate is rather pricey on Harvard Street in
Brookline. They could've opted for wider aisles and fewer products
(and probably less income), but did the opposite. Within the
parameters of that choice they do, IMHO, quite well.
Years ago they've tried expanding into a neighboring space, but
abandoned the venture within a year. Not having seen their financial
statements, I'd venture a guess that the traffic just wasn't bringing
in enough to justify the expense. It's the same reason that keeps the
number of kosher restaraunts here in Boston capped at five (six if you
include downtown), often four for long stretches of time.