John Vs. Jon: The Jewish Name Game
DarrinT68
the possibility of being a Jew, while the other increases the possibility of
being a Jew. eh So if you ever come upon a celeb, friend or acquaintance who
has the name of "John," they're almost certainly Gentile. More than not, we use
"Jon" or "Jonathan," not "John." -D, NYC “If food were a competitive sport,
New York City would have more gold medals than anywhere else in the world.” -
TRACY NIEPORENT - Myriad Restaurant Group, NYC & Company Restaurant Committee
Chair
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18130-2002May27.html (A Study In
Differences - Are Jews smarter?)
http://www.fact-index.com/n/ne/new_york__new_york.html (New York, New York -
History of NY - "Capital of The World")
http://www.archives.nysed.gov/a/researchroom/rr_pgc_jewish_essay.shtml (New
York Jewish History)
http://www.guinessworldrecords.com/index.asp?id=49870 (Science & Technology -
Buildings - Largest Synagogue in the world - Temple Emanu-El, NYC)
http://www.state.ny.us/governor/press/year02/oct13_2_02.htm (NY Kosher facts &
figures, Brach's - World's Largest Kosher Supermarket)
http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/html/2004a/pr126-04.html (NYC - safest, largest city
in the US - 2004)
http://www.homestore.com/homefinance/mortgages/mostleastexpensive.asp (Most
Expensive Cities To Live In - NYC tops list)
http://www.nycvisit.com/content/index.cfm?pagePkey=57 (NY & COMPANY - NYC
Statistics & Fun Facts)
http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/SCS64rrichjew.htm (US study - Jews richer
because of religion)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewpop.html (Jewish
Population of the US by State)
http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/poj.htm (The Phenomenon Of The Jews)
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/dialogue.htm (Jews, IQ & Nobel Laureates)
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Economy/telaviv.html (Tel Aviv - Top 10
High-Tech Cities In the World - Newsweek)
http://www.eonline.com/Features/Specials/Jews (Do Jews run Hollywood? You bet
they do, and what of it? - Ben Stein)
Y. Macales
> One is unequivocally Gentile, the other is exceedingly Jewish. eh One excludes
> the possibility of being a Jew, while the other increases the possibility of
> being a Jew. eh So if you ever come upon a celeb, friend or acquaintance who
> has the name of "John," they're almost certainly Gentile. More than not, we use
> "Jon" or "Jonathan," not "John." -D, NYC “If food were a competitive sport,
This has always puzzled me because, as I understand, John is based on the
Jewish/Hebrew name Yochanan, so why it should be considered less
"Jewish" than Jon(athan) is a mystery to me.
Henry Goodman
"DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> One is unequivocally Gentile, the other is exceedingly Jewish. eh
One excludes
> the possibility of being a Jew, while the other increases the
possibility of
> being a Jew. eh So if you ever come upon a celeb, friend or
acquaintance who
> has the name of "John," they're almost certainly Gentile. More than
not, we use
> "Jon" or "Jonathan," not "John." --
Rubbish. I know lots of Jews called John. My father a"h was called
John (Yaakov in Hebrew) though most people called him Jack.
Henry Goodman
henry dot goodman at virgin dot net
Lisa
> the possibility of being a Jew, while the other increases the possibility of
> being a Jew. eh So if you ever come upon a celeb, friend or acquaintance who
> has the name of "John," they're almost certainly Gentile.
What a bizarre thing to say. Jon is short for Jonathan, and John is a
shortened form of Johanan. I know Jews named John, and Peter, and
James, and so on. To say that "one excludes the possibility of being
a Jew" is simply nonsense.
And btw, I will repeat here, just to have it public, that if you want
to respond to me, it'd better be on the newsgroup and not in my inbox.
Lisa
Lisa
Names that are based on major characters in the Christian scriptures
tend to be avoided by Jews. But that's just a matter of frequency.
There are fewer Jewish Peters and Jameses and Johns and Thomases and
so on. Paul, for some reason, seems to be an exception. It's a far
from uncommon Jewish name.
Lisa
Eliyahu Rooff
"Lisa" <li...@starways.net> wrote in message
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> darr...@aol.com (DarrinT68) wrote in message
news:<20041023230106...@mb-m21.aol.com>...
> > One is unequivocally Gentile, the other is exceedingly Jewish. eh
One excludes
> > the possibility of being a Jew, while the other increases the
possibility of
> > being a Jew. eh So if you ever come upon a celeb, friend or
acquaintance who
> > has the name of "John," they're almost certainly Gentile.
>
> What a bizarre thing to say. Jon is short for Jonathan, and John is a
> shortened form of Johanan. I know Jews named John, and Peter, and
> James, and so on. To say that "one excludes the possibility of being
> a Jew" is simply nonsense.
>
which will have limited his exposure to names. Of course most of us
have known NYC Jews with all the names you mentioned, so it may be just
a little trolling to stir up an argument. There's also nothing
particularly Jewish about "Darrin" either, so I'd guess that this means
we can exclude the possibility of his being a Jew, using his own
criteria.
> And btw, I will repeat here, just to have it public, that if you want
> to respond to me, it'd better be on the newsgroup and not in my inbox.
>
Several of us have had to repeatedly tell him that. Address complaints
to ab...@aol.com .
Eliyahu
Amdur - Jeffrey I.
: We have to allow for his never having been outside of the five boroughs,
: which will have limited his exposure to names. Of course most of us
: have known NYC Jews with all the names you mentioned, so it may be just
: a little trolling to stir up an argument. There's also nothing
: particularly Jewish about "Darrin" either, so I'd guess that this means
: we can exclude the possibility of his being a Jew, using his own
: criteria.
I have at least three Jewish acquaintances (one a cousin through marriate)
named "John". My great-aunt was named Mary (anglicized from the
old-country Mariasha) and her sister, my grandmother was named
Kate/Catherine (anglicized from the old-country Kayla, rather ironic that
125 years later, Kayla is a popular girl's name).
I even remember going to high school with a Jew named Christopher (not a
convert, either), although I think that a bit too much.
Also, as Spanish teacher in a Jewish day school, I let my students pick
Spanish names; however, names like Jesus (and its derivatives Chucho and
Chuy), Cristobal, Cristina, etc., are definitely off limits.
--
*********************************************************
Jeff Amdur
Quality foreign language instruction since 1971 (Oy, gevalt! Still?)
Quality timekeeping for various sports since 1973
Horav Hagaon Onan Ben Drusoy MD (Morally Deficient)
> This has always puzzled me because, as I understand, John is based on the
> Jewish/Hebrew name Yochanan, so why it should be considered less
> "Jewish" than Jon(athan) is a mystery to me.
It is very simple. The Gospel of John tells the story of a plumber, who was
the first to use porcelain toilets, and of course it is in his honor that a
toilet is called the john. Is plumber a job for a nice Jewish boy?
Therefore, few Jews name their children John.
OBD
Henry Goodman
"Horav Hagaon Onan Ben Drusoy MD (Morally Deficient)"
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This problem doesn't arise in the UK. However, one of my grandfathers
was called Louis, not shortened to Lou.
--
DarrinT68
>From: "Eliyahu Rooff" lro...@hotmail.com
>Date: 10/24/04 11:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <10nninv...@corp.supernews.com>
<<Of course most of us have known NYC Jews with all the names you mentioned, so
it may be just a little trolling>There's also nothing>particularly Jewish about
"Darrin">>
Eliyahu, go ahead and name me all the Jews who spell it as "John." From Jon
Stewart (b. Leibowitz, NYC) to Jonathan Silverman, every celebrity Jew that I
know of spells it as so. Secondly, my name is irrelevant to this discussion.
When a Jewish family decides on the above name in question, they do not use the
spelling of "John." This is simple common sense. Perhaps that's how they do it
out in GOYISHA Seattle, where one has to pinch onself in order to see if one is
still Jewish, but for the most part, most of the Jewish world opts for "Jon" or
"Jonathan." Incidental note: I was named after the first "Darrin" (Dick York)
on t.v.'s "Betwitched." ehe Mother was a huge fan of that '60s show!eh Not to
be confused with the second "Darrin" (Dick Sargent). eh The same atypical
spelling as well, since 80% of Darrin's spell it with an "e." It's Gaelic in
origin! Please, no jokes! ehehe In the end, I do not know of one Jewish family
who intentionally chose to name their child "John" when "Jon" or "Jonathan" has
always been the customary way of spelling it in Judaism. Granted, this may not
be the case in countries (ie. Britain) that have a long history of religious
conversion & self-loathing, but back here in the land of the free and the home
of the brave, real Jews do not spell it as "John." -D, NYC "New York City is a
friendly old town - from Washington Heights to Harlem on down" - BOB DYLAN (b.
Zimmerman, sweet Jew - one of the top 100 selling artists of all-time)
cindys
> >Subject: Re: John Vs. Jon: The Jewish Name Game
> >From: "Eliyahu Rooff" lro...@hotmail.com
> >Date: 10/24/04 11:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <10nninv...@corp.supernews.com>
>
> <<Of course most of us have known NYC Jews with all the names you
mentioned, so
> it may be just a little trolling>There's also nothing>particularly Jewish
about
> "Darrin">>
>
snip
> I was named after the first "Darrin" (Dick York)
> on t.v.'s "Betwitched." ehe
>Mother was a huge fan of that '60s show!eh
>Not to
> be confused with the second "Darrin" (Dick Sargent). eh The same atypical
> spelling as well, since 80% of Darrin's spell it with an "e." It's Gaelic
in
> origin! Please, no jokes! ehehe
snip
Can you please tell me what is with the "ehe" and the "eh" and teh "ehehe?"
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Eliyahu Rooff
> >From: "Eliyahu Rooff" lro...@hotmail.com
> >Date: 10/24/04 11:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <10nninv...@corp.supernews.com>
>
> <<Of course most of us have known NYC Jews with all the names you
mentioned, so
> it may be just a little trolling>There's also nothing>particularly
Jewish about
> "Darrin">>
>
> Eliyahu, go ahead and name me all the Jews who spell it as "John."
If you read the rest of the posts in this thread, you'll find plenty.
Eliyahu
Eliyahu Rooff
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he still doesn't seem to understand what "don't e-mail me" means.
Eliyahu
BlackMonk
John Banner
John Brown
John Francis Daly
Joihn Garfield
John Karlen
John Marley
John Pleshette
John Randolph
John Rubenstein
John Weitz
John Grabow
Johnny Rosenblatt
Johnny Murray
Johnny Rosner
John Braham
Johnny Wayne (Canadian comedian, not John Wayne)
John Kander
John Latouche
Johnny Mandel
Johnny Marks
John Zorn (FROM NYC)
John Landis
John Schlesinger
John Frank
John Gofman
Johnny Clegg
John Weider
There's more, but I think the point is made.
Z
Drusoy MD (Morally Deficient)" <stour...@yahoo.com> writes
Ian / Iain is Gaelic version of John / Iaonnis.
--
Z
Remove all Zeds in e-mail address to reply.
DarrinT68
Most of the above names are stage names. ie. John Garfield (one of my personal
favs) was born Julius Garfinkle, NYC! Next... eh -D, NYC "A hustle here and a
hustle there - New York City is the place where they say - hey babe, take a
walk on the wild side" - LOU REED (b. Rabinowitz, NYC)
YZK
Z wrote:
> Ian / Iain is Gaelic version of John / Iaonnis.
Actually, I believe those would be Sean (Irish Gaelic) and Sion (Welsh),
respectively.
Yaakov K.
--
"Lucky the shepherd, and lucky his flock,
about whom the wolves complain."
P.S. When I once told my former Wild Weasel* Gentile boss that his name
had an "H" from the Hebrew biblical name Yochanan, he said "Leave
me alone! My name's JOHN!!!"
* U.S. Air Force SAM (surface to air missile) killers over North Vietnam
DarrinT68
>Date: 10/24/04 9:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <lyYed.321843$bp1.2...@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
>
>
>"DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20041024194809...@mb-m25.aol.com...
>> >Subject: Re: John Vs. Jon: The Jewish Name Game
>> >From: "Eliyahu Rooff" lro...@hotmail.com
>> >Date: 10/24/04 11:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>> >Message-id: <10nninv...@corp.supernews.com>
>>
>> <<Of course most of us have known NYC Jews with all the names you
>mentioned, so
>> it may be just a little trolling>There's also nothing>particularly Jewish
>about>> "Darrin">>
>snip>>
>> I was named after the first "Darrin" (Dick York)>> on t.v.'s "Betwitched."
ehe
Oops - pardon my typo! The above should have read "Bewitched." BTW, another
Jewish celebrity just came to mind: Jon Lovitz. Yet another coincidence that he
spells it as such? If he was a Gentile, you can rest assured that his parents
would have chosen "John."
>snip>Can you please tell me what is with the "ehe" and the "eh" and teh
"ehehe?"
>Best regards,>---Cindy S.
Cindy, it would be my pleasure to do so!eh
It's my SHTICK!eheh I've been "hehe-ing" and "hahah-ing" long before Beavis &
Butthead came onto the scene!ehe Laughter makes the world go round!eh Here's a
"muahahah" in your general direction!eh I save those for special
occasions!ehehe
Fiona
"YZK" <yaa...@nyct.net> wrote
> Z wrote:
>
> > Ian / Iain is Gaelic version of John / Iaonnis.
>
> Actually, I believe those would be Sean (Irish Gaelic) and Sion (Welsh),
> respectively.
I thought Ian was the Anglo derivative of Jan (pronounced Yan).
Fiona
Dan Kimmel
Yes, but not all of them. For example, Johnny Mandel, John Kander, John
Landis, and the late John Schlesinger had no need of "stage names." And I
believe John Rubenstein is his real name as well, as one would hardly hide a
Jewish first name and leave "Rubenstein."
Next yourself.
Z
<fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
very definitely Gaelic version of 'English' John, French Jean and
Polish, Czech and Slavic Jan, Greek Iaoniss. All are derived from Hebrew
Yochanan via Greek.
http://behindthename.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?terms=Iain&nmd=n&gender=both&
operator=or
http://behindthename.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?terms=john
Now, what of Hebrew Yaniv?
Chano
"Scoop" <no-...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> Quoth Lisa:
> : I know Jews named John, and Peter, and James
>
> From what Hebrew names are the latter derived?
Peter is from the Yiddish, Fetter (Uncle); James is from the Hebrew, Chaim.
Chano
>
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cindys
Okay. I didn't know it was laughter. I wasn't sure what it was.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Horav Hagaon Onan Ben Drusoy MD (Morally Deficient)
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>
> "Scoop" <no-...@sonic.net> wrote in message
> news:eWTed.758$_3.1...@typhoon.sonic.net...
>> Quoth Lisa:
>> : I know Jews named John, and Peter, and James
>>
>> From what Hebrew names are the latter derived?
>
> Peter is from the Yiddish, Fetter (Uncle); James is from the Hebrew,
> Chaim.
Did you study Yiddish with Rabbi Paskudnyak at Mesivta Bnei Drusoy, or did
you attend Broadmoor yeshiva me'od ktana?
OBD
Shlomo Argamon
YZK <yaa...@nyct.net> writes:
> Z wrote:
>
> > Ian / Iain is Gaelic version of John / Iaonnis.
>
> Actually, I believe those would be Sean (Irish Gaelic) and Sion (Welsh),
> respectively.
Actually, you're both right - Ian is the Scottish version, Sean the
Irish version, and Sian the Welsh version.
Cheers!
The scientist formerly known as "Sean"
Z
<yaa...@nyct.net> writes
>
>
>Z wrote:
>
>> Ian / Iain is Gaelic version of John / Iaonnis.
>
>Actually, I believe those would be Sean (Irish Gaelic) and Sion
>(Welsh), respectively.
>
>Yaakov K.
Iain/Ian as I wrote is the Gaelic version of John.
Lord Baeron
> Sian the Welsh version.
...is a girl's name.
--
Lord Baeron
Chano
"Horav Hagaon Onan Ben Drusoy MD (Morally Deficient)"
news:2u45hcF...@uni-berlin.de...
Go ahead and scoff! See if I care. In actual fact I studied under the able
Deanship of Professor Christopher Luke Knobelfresser at the University of
Finno-Ugric and Classical Yiddish Languages, Oxford. Research has shown that
the first spoken language of mankind was Yiddish. This is based on the fact
that when Adam came home to find Eve cooking a large fig-leaf he remarked,
"Oy vey! Mein bester gatkes!" (Oh dear! My best underpants)
Chano
Shlomo Argamon
Lord Baeron <LordB...@aol.com> writes:
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:58:38 +0000 (UTC), Shlomo Argamon wrote:
>
> > Sian the Welsh version.
>
> ...is a girl's name.
Quite right.
-Shlomo-
Harry Weiss
I thought it was just typical NYC gutter language.
--
Harry J. Weiss
hjw...@panix.com
James Kahn
>"Scoop" <no-...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>news:eWTed.758$_3.1...@typhoon.sonic.net...
>> Quoth Lisa:
>> : I know Jews named John, and Peter, and James
>>
>> From what Hebrew names are the latter derived?
>Peter is from the Yiddish, Fetter (Uncle); James is from the Hebrew, Chaim.
No, James is from Yaakov. I don't know how the Brits managed to get there,
but the fact that Italian has Giacomo, where the "m" replaced a "b", is
suggestive.
(From someone who has a vested interest in the truth on this matter.)
--
Jim
New York, NY
(Please remove "nospam." to get my e-mail address)
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Don Levey
> "DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20041023230106...@mb-m21.aol.com...
> > One is unequivocally Gentile, the other is exceedingly Jewish. eh
> One excludes
> > the possibility of being a Jew, while the other increases the
> possibility of
> > being a Jew. eh So if you ever come upon a celeb, friend or
> acquaintance who
> > has the name of "John," they're almost certainly Gentile. More than
> not, we use
> > "Jon" or "Jonathan," not "John." --
>
> Rubbish. I know lots of Jews called John. My father a"h was called
> John (Yaakov in Hebrew) though most people called him Jack.
>
>
As was my great-grandfather (John/Jack). And I know he was Jewish,
unless the United Synogogue of London 1903 would write a ketubah for
a non-Jew.
--
Don Levey If knowledge is power,
Framingham, MA and power corrupts, then...
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bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
>
> "Scoop" <no-...@sonic.net> wrote in message
> news:eWTed.758$_3.1...@typhoon.sonic.net...
>> Quoth Lisa:
>> : I know Jews named John, and Peter, and James
>>
>> From what Hebrew names are the latter derived?
>
> Peter is from the Yiddish, Fetter (Uncle); James is from the Hebrew, Chaim.
In 1988 at a meeting of the Israeli medical association, I had to give
a lecture on some research we had done with the ophthalmology dept at
the hospital on glaucoma. We had done this research with 5 doctors
(gentile) from Mexico who were doing their residency in Israel. One
of them was named Jaime (which I found out was pronounced CHAYMEE).
He comes in wearing a triple crucifix and a namecard (given by a
not-too-bright attendant) listing his name as CHAYIM. The scene was
so incongruous that I (and others) burst out laughing.
Josh
Karen
(DarrinT68) wrote:
>>Subject: Re: John Vs. Jon: The Jewish Name Game
>>From: "cindys" cst...@rochester.rr.com
>>Date: 10/24/04 9:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <lyYed.321843$bp1.2...@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
>>
>>
>>"DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:20041024194809...@mb-m25.aol.com...
>>> >Subject: Re: John Vs. Jon: The Jewish Name Game
>>> >From: "Eliyahu Rooff" lro...@hotmail.com
>>> >Date: 10/24/04 11:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>>> >Message-id: <10nninv...@corp.supernews.com>
>>>
>>> <<Of course most of us have known NYC Jews with all the names you
>>mentioned, so
>>> it may be just a little trolling>There's also nothing>particularly Jewish
>>about>> "Darrin">>
>
>>snip>>
>
>>> I was named after the first "Darrin" (Dick York)>> on t.v.'s "Betwitched."
>ehe
>
>Oops - pardon my typo! The above should have read "Bewitched." BTW, another
>Jewish celebrity just came to mind: Jon Lovitz. Yet another coincidence that he
>spells it as such? If he was a Gentile, you can rest assured that his parents
>would have chosen "John."
Hi, Darrin, but you are incorrect here. I'm a Gentile, and I know
plenty of Gentiles whose names are spelled as "Jon". You can rest
assured that their Gentile parents chose the names for them.
Shalom,
Karen
Susan Cohen
"Harry Weiss" <hjw...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> cindys <cst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Okay. I didn't know it was laughter. I wasn't sure what it was.
>> Best regards,
>> ---Cindy S.
>
> I thought it was just typical NYC gutter language.
I think you mean "stereotypical".
Susan
Lisa
> In article <clik4m$832$1$8300...@news.demon.co.uk>, Fiona
> <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
> >
> >"YZK" <yaa...@nyct.net> wrote
> >> Z wrote:
> >>
> >> > Ian / Iain is Gaelic version of John / Iaonnis.
> >>
> >> Actually, I believe those would be Sean (Irish Gaelic) and Sion (Welsh),
> >> respectively.
> >
> >I thought Ian was the Anglo derivative of Jan (pronounced Yan).
> >
> >Fiona
> >
> >
> No, the Anglo 'derivative' of Jan (as in Jan Sobieski) is John. Iain is
> very definitely Gaelic version of 'English' John, French Jean and
> Polish, Czech and Slavic Jan, Greek Iaoniss. All are derived from Hebrew
> Yochanan via Greek.
Hannibal is cognate to Yochanan / John / Johannes / Jan / Jean / Ian /
Sean / Ivan / Chananiah / Ananias / Elchanan / Jeanne / Joan / Joanne
/ etc... All are formed by the root Han (grace or gracious) and the
name of a deity. The name Hannah is from the same root. My guess is
that the name Anais (as in Anais Nin) may be related as well.
Sean and Ian simply came along two different paths.
Lisa
Horav Hagaon Onan Ben Drusoy MD (Morally Deficient)
"Lisa" <li...@starways.net> wrote in message name Hannah is from the same
> that the name Anais (as in Anais Nin) may be related as well.
Anais comes from the Turkish "anani sikeyim" - meaning blessed mother!
OBD
Z
<fla...@verizon.net> writes
BlackMonk
> >>
> >> "DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:20041024194809...@mb-m25.aol.com...
> >> > >Subject: Re: John Vs. Jon: The Jewish Name Game
> >> > >From: "Eliyahu Rooff" lro...@hotmail.com
> >> > >Date: 10/24/04 11:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time
You'll have to give more than one example if you claim "most" are stage
names. Even if most are, some aren't.
Incidently, according to Moe Tucker, who's an exceptionally good source in
this case*, Lou Reed's real name is Lou Reed.
*For those who don't follow this sort of thing, Moe was the drummer in the
Velvet Underground, Lou's band in the sixties, and knew Lou very well.
DarrinT68
>Date: 10/25/04 11:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <k87qn0hscgqiivjmg...@4ax.com>
Karen, that was never in question! There are many Gentiles who have Hebrew
names: Adam, David, etc. We are specifically referring to "John" as it applies
to Jews. More than not, most Jews spell it as Jon. More than not, most Gentiles
spell it as John. Especially in the here and now. We (those who have some
abiding love for our religion) do not name our offspring "John" or
"Christopher." ie. I know of one recently married couple whose in-laws forced
the groom to change his birth name from Christopher to David. LOL! The groom &
groom's parents were not too pleased with this. This does not occur in Gentile
families. I have never heard of a Gentile family who forced a bride or groom to
have their Jewish names changed to Gentile ones! -D, NYC "New York City boy -
you'll never have a bored day - cause you're a NYC boy - where 7th Avenue meets
Broadway" - PET SHOP BOYS
DarrinT68
developing into a personal/geographical battle. Thanks. -RMS ]
>Subject: Re: John Vs. Jon: The Jewish Name Game
>Date: 10/25/04 9:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <cliv5p$i74$2...@reader1.panix.com>
Harry, you never did tell us what magical Jewish city you hail from!?ehe It
must be a magical city that is free of crime, litter, slums, cussing, smog,
traffic, etc?eheheh Do tell, because I would like to leave the Greatest
(Jewish) City In The World for this magical place that you appear to reside in!
LOL! -D, NYC "I've seen the lights go out on Broadway - I saw the Empire State
laid low" - BILLY JOEL (NY's umpteenth sweet Jew - one of the top 100 selling
artists of all-time)
Eliyahu Rooff
Let's suppose for a moment that all the Jews in the world took your
advice and moved en masse to your Disneyland East cum Jerusalem
West, bringing with them their families and possessions, vehicles,
etc.. Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing...? Not a vacancy to be had
for any amount of money, people living in their cars and trucks, if
they could find places to park them, every job opening in the entire
city taken, landlords taking advantage of the crowding by jacking up
the rent to unheard-of levels on every place that wasn't rent
controlled; public transit, public utilities and everything else
overloaded to the point of complete breakdown, streets in complete
gridlock... Naturally, it would also fill up every hotel and motel
for miles around, totally shutting down the tourist industry,
keeping commercial visitors from coming and making the city
inaccessible to anyone else who wanted to stay overnight. The
downside to this, of course, is that in the short time it would take
to cause the complete collapse of the city's infrastructure, it
would also leave most of us unable to afford to move away...
Eliyahu
DarrinT68
>Message-id: <2u5hkcF...@uni-berlin.de>
Not really!eh Almost two-thirds of the entire American-Jewish populace already
resides in NYC & NY State. As long the remaining 3+ million American-Jews
disperse amongst the 5 boroughs, everything should be KOSHER!ehe Skyscrapers
and condos are continually being built in the City That Never Sleeps, so
housing should not be a problem. NYC also has the largest mass-transit system
in the US, and one of the largest in the world. Unfortunately, NYC IS the most
expensive city to live in. NY also recently made (as it does each & every year)
the Most Expensive Homes in America list on Forbes.com, with 3 of the top 5
homes hailing from NY: Trump World Tower penthouse ($58 mill) in Manhattan,
Pierre Penthouse ($70 mill) in Manhattan, and the Three Ponds ($75 mill) in The
Hamptons. In the end, you pay for your locale! You pay to be in a city
(Manhattan in particular) that has it all! Every ethnicity, every vice, every
amenity can all be found under one roof: NYC! -D, NYC "I love New York - it's
where the American dream began" - DONALD TRUMP
Henry Goodman
"DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041025204107...@mb-m03.aol.com...
> >ubject: Re: John Vs. Jon: The Jewish Name Game
> >From: "Eliyahu Rooff" lro...@hotmail.com
> >Date: 10/25/04 7:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <2u5hkcF...@uni-berlin.de>
> >
>
Glad you only want the rest of American Jewry to move to NYC and are
allowing those of us that live in "the rest of the world" to stay
where we are.
--
Henry Goodman
henry dot goodman at virgin dot net
>
Lisa
Hmm... that sounds reasonable, but it's coming from your Ben Drusoy
account, so I can't tell if you're kidding.
Lisa
Lisa
>
> Glad you only want the rest of American Jewry to move to NYC and are
> allowing those of us that live in "the rest of the world" to stay
> where we are.
Henry... DFTT. Really. It was my mistake as well, but I can't
believe that any of us are doing this.
Lisa
DarrinT68
>From: li...@starways.net (Lisa)
>Date: 10/26/04 11:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <cc62d1fa.04102...@posting.google.com>
>
>"Henry Goodman" <henry....@virgin.net> wrote in message
>news:<cll3cs$iqh$1...@falcon.steinthal.us>...
>>
>> Glad you only want the rest of American Jewry to move to NYC and are
>> allowing those of us that live in "the rest of the world" to stay>> where we
are.
Henry, can you blame me for the oversight?ehe If your anti-American sentiment
is representative of today's European-Jewry, please stay where you are!eh Your
ideology goes against what every history book & American success story has told
us: tens of millions of immigrants have risked life & limb to reach the land of
the free and the home of the brave. America has been the greatest haven for
every ethnicity on the globe. From 1892-1922 alone, 22+ million immigrants came
through Ellis Island and the port of New York, all in search of freedom and
opportunity. Lady Liberty has always been good to its people! The most
powerful & influential nation on earth. A nation that has the most
technologically powerful economy in the world, with a per capita GDP of
$36,300, and a purchasing power of $10.082 trillion. Who ya gonna call when
your nation is in dire straits!? America - that's who! The #1 supplier of
humanitarian & military aid to the world! Henry, instead of continuing to bash
the US of A, why not be honest with yourself and admit that you are seething
with jealousy!? Believe me, it's more than warranted!eh BTW, if you ever have a
change of heart, NYC can still squeeze in the remaining European, East
European, Canadian & South American Jewry!eh NYC has 8 million inhabitants, 20+
mill statewide. CA has 30 million statewide. So it can be done!eh Another 10
mill would put NY State at 30 mill - on par with CA. -D, NYC "Everywhere around
the world, they're coming to America - every time that flag's unfurled, they're
coming to Americ" - NEIL DIAMOND (NY's umpteenth sweet Jew - one of the top 100
selling artists of all-time)
BlackMonk
"Everywhere around
> the world, they're coming to America - every time that flag's unfurled,
they're
> coming to Americ" - NEIL DIAMOND (NY's umpteenth sweet Jew - one of the
top 100
> selling artists of all-time)
Too bad he hasn't had his name on a good record since he was writing songs
for The Monkees.
Wait, I'm wrong, The Music Machine covered him on their album, albeit
unwillingly, and some of the other songs on the album were good. And the
Music Machine can be connected to a Jew in three steps, so I guess they're
sweet or righteous or something.
Incidently, I don't believe you're from New York City. No one in New York,
Jewish or not, has anything nice to say about Bloomberg.
Fiona
"DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote
> ideology goes against what every history book & American success story has
told
> us: tens of millions of immigrants have risked life & limb to reach the
land of
> the free and the home of the brave. America has been the greatest haven
for
> every ethnicity on the globe. From 1892-1922 alone, 22 million immigrants
came
> through Ellis Island and the port of New York, all in search of freedom
and
> opportunity.
[snip]
> Henry, instead of continuing to bash
> the US of A, why not be honest with yourself and admit that you are
seething
> with jealousy!?
You people just don't get it do you? Believe me the Europeans are *not*
jealous. Most Europeans find American arrogance and conceit contemptible, a
country barely out of short pants in European terms that has the hutzpah to
go strutting around the world waving its holy greenbacks at everyone! eh.
The European man (especially the Jew) has spent the last 2000 years
struggling against one oppressive regime after another to gain his civil and
human rights. The freedoms enjoyed by Europeans today are the culmination of
all those years of struggle, and each one was fought for inch by inch. But
there is a deep seated resentment for those who chose not to take part in
the struggle and fled to an easy life in the New World. And to make matters
worse, the descendants of these drop outs, come back generations later
gloating about their success and making demands that Europeans bow to
America's ego.
Personally, I'm no big fan of Europe (including the UK) but I can see their
point.
Fiona
James Kahn
>You people just don't get it do you? Believe me the Europeans are *not*
>jealous. Most Europeans find American arrogance and conceit contemptible, a
>country barely out of short pants in European terms that has the hutzpah to
>go strutting around the world waving its holy greenbacks at everyone! eh.
"People"? Do you seriously think that Darrin speaks for anyone but
himself? This New Yorker, at least, wishes he'd shut the h*** up.
>The European man (especially the Jew) has spent the last 2000 years
>struggling against one oppressive regime after another to gain his civil and
>human rights. The freedoms enjoyed by Europeans today are the culmination of
>all those years of struggle, and each one was fought for inch by inch. But
>there is a deep seated resentment for those who chose not to take part in
>the struggle and fled to an easy life in the New World. And to make matters
>worse, the descendants of these drop outs, come back generations later
>gloating about their success and making demands that Europeans bow to
>America's ego.
You should pay a visit to Lower East Side Tenement Museum (sorry, not
meaning to push NY) and see if you still think immigrants "fled to
an easy life." Or read about what life really was like for the typical
new arrival to the New World. Not a pretty picture at all. Not that
Jews had to put up with the kind of anti-semitism experienced in Europe,
but life was anything but easy.
BlackMonk
"Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:clmtr3$d5p$1$8300...@news.demon.co.uk...
I realize this is just a parody of Darrin and that you're not really stupid
enough to believe that, but do we really need more of this kind of thing?
Eliyahu Rooff
"Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:clmtr3$d5p$1$8300...@news.demon.co.uk...
>
here, and you've seen that just about all of us have taken issue with
his constant shilling for NYC's tourism department. As James has
already pointed out, though, life here was not easy for immigrants until
recently. My ancestors ended up in tenaments in NYC until they could
work their way out of them, starting with backbreaking work and
incredibly long hours, while still trying to learn the language and
skills needed to prosper. For many other Jews who came here in the 18th
and 19th centuries, they became pioneers, traveling to almost unknown
parts of a new country, creating towns, communities and families using
nothing but their own hands and a lot of hard work. Many died of
starvation, disease, and attacks by hostile Indians. They excelled in
spite of all this, and deserve better than the criticism you've leveled
at them.
Eliyahu
Henry Goodman
"James Kahn" <ka...@nospam.panix.com> wrote in message
news:cln0km$2qv$1...@reader1.panix.com...
I have visited the Lower East Side Tenement Museum. I get the
impression that life in New York's Lower East side in the late
19th/early 20th century was very similar to that of the immigrant Jews
in London's East End at the same period.
Fiona
"James Kahn" <ka...@nospam.panix.com> wrote
I'm sure it wasn't, I'm am just given the low-down on the common European
perception of the colonial enterprise.
Fiona
Fiona
"BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote
> "Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
Neither, I am just trying to explain to the Americans (I guess you are one)
what is at the root of European anti-Americanism. My own personal opinion of
the USA is not reflected in the above, which is an analysis of the opinions
of those I come into contact with daily.
Fiona
Lisa
> "DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote
>
> > the US of A, why not be honest with yourself and admit that you are
> seething
> > with jealousy!?
>
> You people just don't get it do you? Believe me the Europeans are *not*
> jealous.
Oh. My. God. Fiona, puh*leeze* don't feed the troll.
> Most Europeans find American arrogance and conceit contemptible, a
> country barely out of short pants in European terms that has the hutzpah to
> go strutting around the world waving its holy greenbacks at everyone! eh.
> The European man (especially the Jew) has spent the last 2000 years
> struggling against one oppressive regime after another to gain his civil and
> human rights. The freedoms enjoyed by Europeans today are the culmination of
> all those years of struggle, and each one was fought for inch by inch.
Freedoms. Heh. The reason Europe is so socialist, and the reason
they've been so willing to surrender their freedoms to "society", is
that they have no history of actual individual freedom. First it was
rule by king, and now it's rule by "society", which means rule by
whoever happens to be running things at any given time.
Judaism isn't socialist.
> But
> there is a deep seated resentment for those who chose not to take part in
> the struggle and fled to an easy life in the New World.
Easy? Read some history. It was only by leaving that we were able to
build a society built on individual rights. Even if those rights have
been eroded over the past century or so by European influences.
Lisa
Fiona
"Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> wrote
> "Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
As I have said elsewhere, my statements above are my personal opinion, but
an overview of the general perceptions among Europeans (including Brits)
today.
Fiona
Lisa
> In <clmtr3$d5p$1$8300...@news.demon.co.uk> "Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> >You people just don't get it do you? Believe me the Europeans are *not*
> >jealous. Most Europeans find American arrogance and conceit contemptible, a
> >country barely out of short pants in European terms that has the hutzpah to
> >go strutting around the world waving its holy greenbacks at everyone! eh.
>
> "People"? Do you seriously think that Darrin speaks for anyone but
> himself? This New Yorker, at least, wishes he'd shut the h*** up.
And if you people (that'd be you and Fiona and everyone else here)
would just stop feeding the troll, maybe he would. He's getting a lot
of fine attention here, so why should he stop?
Lisa
James Kahn
I for one have not responded to any of D*****'s posts. But if
responding to someone else's response to a troll is "feeding
the troll", then I guess you have done so as well.
Fiona
"Lisa" <li...@starways.net> wrote
> "Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > "DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote
> >
> > > Henry, instead of continuing to bash
> > > the US of A, why not be honest with yourself and admit that you are
> > seething
> > > with jealousy!?
> >
> > You people just don't get it do you? Believe me the Europeans are *not*
> > jealous.
>
> Oh. My. God. Fiona, puh*leeze* don't feed the troll.
Yeah, sorry.
> > Most Europeans find American arrogance and conceit contemptible, a
> > country barely out of short pants in European terms that has the hutzpah
to
> > go strutting around the world waving its holy greenbacks at everyone!
eh.
> > The European man (especially the Jew) has spent the last 2000 years
> > struggling against one oppressive regime after another to gain his civil
and
> > human rights. The freedoms enjoyed by Europeans today are the
culmination of
> > all those years of struggle, and each one was fought for inch by inch.
>
> Freedoms. Heh. The reason Europe is so socialist, and the reason
> they've been so willing to surrender their freedoms to "society", is
> that they have no history of actual individual freedom. First it was
> rule by king, and now it's rule by "society", which means rule by
> whoever happens to be running things at any given time.
I agree, but what freedoms Europeans enjoy now, were fought for by
Europeans, and there is still a long way to go. Having lived in Britain,
mainland Europe, and Israel I can tell you that out of those three countries
Britain provides the most individual freedom for it citizens.
> Judaism isn't socialist.
Agreed, but it's not pure capitalism either, and neither does it provide
unfettered personal freedom.
> > But
> > there is a deep seated resentment for those who chose not to take part
in
> > the struggle and fled to an easy life in the New World.
>
> Easy? Read some history.
As I pointed out in other posts, whether the reality was easy or not is not
relevent, I was talking about the peceptions or beliefs on the European
masses. And the perception of the Europeans (including Jews) who stayed
behind was that moving to a country with unlimited land and natural
resources gave the immigrants an easier life than they had in their cramped
cities, with their dicatorial political systems, heirarchical social
structures, and land shortages.
Fiona
Nick
And so Americans know all about freedom - with the largest prison population
in the Western World. The freedom to live for 10 years on Death Row.
We consider that freedoms are important such as the freedom to have
healthcare, the freedom to live without fear of murder from private guns,
the freedom to have a roof over one's head.
I thought that the French Revolution was against the ancien regime and who
then supported the nascent American Republic.
Nick
Nick
Well, I think that the irony, if that's what it was, would have been lost on
most people. I never thought that irony was American's strongest card.
Nick
Lisa
No such thing. Someone has to provide that healthcare. It's not some
sort of natural resource. If you have a "right" to healthcare, that
means someone else is obliged to work for you. We call that slavery.
> the freedom to live without fear of murder from private guns,
From *any* guns. From any coercion whatsoever, other than the
"coercion" to refrain from coercing others.
> the freedom to have a roof over one's head.
Build a roof and you'll have a roof. Earn money and pay someone to
build you a roof, and you'll have a roof. Your abuse of the word
"freedom" to mean your right to compel others to provide for you, even
if that restricts their freedom is simply repulsive.
Judaism says "Is his blood redder than yours?" It also says, "One who
wishes to claim ownership of something from someone else carries the
burden of proving that it is his". You can't create a dictatorship of
the mob and claim that it has the right to steal from Reuven to pay
Shimon.
Lisa
DarrinT68
>Date: 10/26/04 10:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <cln0km$2qv$1...@reader1.panix.com>
>>country barely out of short pants in European terms that has the hutzpah to
>>go strutting around the world waving its holy greenbacks at everyone! eh.
>"People"? Do you seriously think that Darrin speaks for anyone but
>himself? This New Yorker, at least, wishes he'd shut the h*** up. >You should
pay a visit to Lower East Side Tenement Museum (sorry, not >meaning to push NY)
and see if you still think immigrants "fled to >an easy life." Or read about
what life really was like for the typical
>new arrival to the New World. Not a pretty picture at all. Not that
>Jews had to put up with the kind of anti-semitism experienced in Europe,
>but life was anything but easy. >>
James, you'll have to pardon this New Yorker for not sharing in your Political
Correctness. Are you going to sit there and deny that America has not been the
greatest land of opportunity and freedom!? No one ever said life was handed to
anyone on a silver platter. It was not an easy life, but an easier life. Some
struggled less than others. Some didn't have to struggle at all. Funny how you
and Eliyahu do not speak of those European Jews who emigrated to NY during the
'30s & '40s. As Brando said: "The extraordinary European Jews who emigrated to
New York were enriching the city's intellectual life with an intensity that has
probably never been equaled anywhere during a comparable period of time." In
the end, I do not see immigrants risking life & limb on dinghies for any other
nation but the US of A! Without opportunity, there is no incentive to better
oneself! And while nothing is ever guaranteed in this world, America comes
pretty darn close. It affords one every opportunity at a better existence. The
struggle was in the hopes of achieving the American Dream. The struggle was in
hard work and emphasis on education. Most immigrants came to NYC with pennies
in their pockets, and many of them managed to build empires from the
opportunities in the New World. America is the only country on the face of this
earth that has a Bill of Rights & A Declaration of Independence. And it has
been a blueprint for the rest of the world to follow! -D, NYC "Here is a great
body of our Jewish citizens from whom have sprung men of genius in every walk
of our varied life; men who have conceived of its ideals with singular
clearness; and led enterprises with sprit & sagacity...They are not Jews in
America, they are American citizens" - WOODROW WILSON (28th US President,
1913-1921)
BlackMonk
Do you really think explaining stupid, uninformed bigotry as though it had a
rational basis is a good idea?
Henry Goodman
"DarrinT68" <darr...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041027145041...@mb-m24.aol.com...
> Subject: Re: John Vs. Jon: The Jewish Name Game
> >From: ka...@nospam.panix.com (James Kahn)
> >Date: 10/26/04 10:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <cln0km$2qv$1...@reader1.panix.com>
> >
> James, you'll have to pardon this New Yorker for not sharing in your
Political
> Correctness. Are you going to sit there and deny that America has
not been the
> greatest land of opportunity and freedom!?
OK we all agree that " America has not been the
greatest land of opportunity and freedom!? "
Don Levey
> "Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:clo195$t79$1$8300...@news.demon.co.uk...
> >
> > Neither, I am just trying to explain to the Americans (I guess you are
> one)
> > what is at the root of European anti-Americanism. My own personal opinion
> of
> > the USA is not reflected in the above, which is an analysis of the
> opinions
> > of those I come into contact with daily.
> >
> >
> > Fiona
> >
> >
>
> Well, I think that the irony, if that's what it was, would have been lost on
> most people. I never thought that irony was American's strongest card.
>
Hey, we got lotsa that irony stuff, all around! Rich deposits of it.
Like goldy or bronzey, only with iron, right?
--
Don Levey If knowledge is power,
Framingham, MA and power corrupts, then...
NOTE: email server uses spam filters.
Susan Cohen
"Don Levey" <Don_...@the-leveys.us> wrote in message
news:m3pt338...@dauphin.the-leveys.us...
>
> Hey, we got lotsa that irony stuff, all around! Rich deposits of it.
> Like goldy or bronzey, only with iron, right?
Baldric, you owe me a groat.
Susan
Miriam
says...> news:20041023230106...@mb-m21.aol.com...
> > One is unequivocally Gentile, the other is exceedingly Jewish. eh
> One excludes
> > the possibility of being a Jew, while the other increases the
> possibility of
> > being a Jew. eh So if you ever come upon a celeb, friend or
> acquaintance who
> > has the name of "John," they're almost certainly Gentile. More than
> not, we use
> > "Jon" or "Jonathan," not "John." --
>
> Rubbish. I know lots of Jews called John. My father a"h was called
> John (Yaakov in Hebrew) though most people called him Jack.
Wasn't John the Baptist Jewish? :-)
Miriam
Henry Goodman
"Miriam" <miri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1beb08629...@news.ukonline.co.uk...
Probably. I don't know about John the Evangelist (my old college).
Chano
No, he was a Baptist!
Chano
>
> Miriam
Fiona
"Susan Cohen" <fla...@verizon.net> wrote
> "Don Levey" <Don_...@the-leveys.us> wrote
> >
> > Hey, we got lotsa that irony stuff, all around! Rich deposits of it.
> > Like goldy or bronzey, only with iron, right?
>
> Baldric, you owe me a groat.
You get Black Adder in the States?
Fiona
Eliyahu Rooff
Eliyahu
Alexis Rosoff Treeby
"Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Yes. PBS used to show quite a lot of British comedy (though they've been
known to latch on to some pretty bad ones, e.g. Keeping Up Appearances,
and my local station had something of an Are You Being Served? fetish.)
Comedy Central even showed The League of Gentlemen.
Nowadays the BBC seems to prefer to show their comedies on BBC America,
along with endless repeats of Changing Rooms and Ground Force. I'm told
The Office was something of a cult hit.
For what it's worth, as an American living in London, I get quite a wide
variety of attitudes. There's a fair bit of condescension and leftist
hand-wringing (often inversely proportional to the amount of experience
the person actually has with the US and Americans), and it can be
tiresome to read the papers. On the other hand, because of my accent I
often get asked where I'm from, and when I reply "New York" I frequently
get the response "oh cool!! I've always wanted to go there/I've just
been there". And then I get asked why I moved here--people don't seem to
believe that anyone would leave America for the UK! (Then, if you watch
British TV, you tend to come away with the impression that all the
British want to leave....)
Alexis
Susan Cohen
"Z" <po...@imaris.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MpU0TQVO...@imaris.demon.co.uk...> <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
> And it might be Jewish humour given Ben Elton was the writer.
My guess is that it was *he* who threw the Jew jokes into Blackadder:
"My lord, it is the Bishop of Bath & Wells!"
"Tell him I'm Jewish!" (rolls over to go back to sleep)
"THAT's Macbeth?
I didn't think he would look so JEWISH!"
"You want to get a horse TONIGHT? At this time of night? On Jewish New Year?
After the big horse plague?" (WHich made me wonder how many Jewish cabbies
there might have been at any given time...)
Susan
BlackMonk
"Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2udeg2F...@uni-berlin.de...
If you're ever in NYC, drop by. I have tapes of all four series.
BlackMonk
"Z" <po...@imaris.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MpU0TQVO...@imaris.demon.co.uk...
> In article <clrr4e$p5l$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>, Fiona
> <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
> >
> And it might be Jewish humour given Ben Elton was the writer.
I thought he didn't do the first series, which coincidently or not I didn't
like as much as the others.
Nick
news:<clooou$hgp$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>...
> > [ Moderator's Comment: This is beginning to lose all Jewish content.
I am not quite sure why you invoke Judaism in your call for freedom. Clearly
there is no such thing as absolute freedom. By definition my freedom must
encroach on your freedom.
Whilst we all have responsibilities, we also have responsibilities for each
other. Despite what Mrs Thatcher said there is such a thing as society,
something which the present Tory leader has acknowledged.
What you favour is Darwinism not Judaism, ie the survival of the fittest.
Judaism doesn't say "The meek shall inherit the earth" but I don't think it
says the opposite.
Nick
Lord Baeron
> For what it's worth, as an American living in London, I get quite a wide
> variety of attitudes. There's a fair bit of condescension and leftist
> hand-wringing (often inversely proportional to the amount of experience
> the person actually has with the US and Americans), and it can be
> tiresome to read the papers. On the other hand, because of my accent I
> often get asked where I'm from, and when I reply "New York" I frequently
> get the response "oh cool!! I've always wanted to go there/I've just
> been there". And then I get asked why I moved here--people don't seem to
> believe that anyone would leave America for the UK! (Then, if you watch
> British TV, you tend to come away with the impression that all the
> British want to leave....)
Truth is we love the Americans. It's only the leftie meejah that pushes all
that anti-American rubbish. And we watch Friends. And the Red Sox. And the
Simpsons. And Malcolm in the Middle. Etc. And we like American films far
more than English ones, which tend to be second rate and/or star the
appalling Hugh Grant.
Incidentally, it's also only the leftie trendy meejah that's anti-Israel.
The rest of us (except for the Foreign Office, of course) admire Israeli
tenacity, cunning, boldness and loyalty to its own.
--
Lord Baeron
Lisa
> "Lisa" <li...@starways.net> wrote in message
> news:cc62d1fa.04102...@posting.google.com...
> > "Nick" <tulse0...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<clooou$hgp$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>...
> > > healthcare,
> >
> > No such thing. Someone has to provide that healthcare. It's not some
> > sort of natural resource. If you have a "right" to healthcare, that
> > means someone else is obliged to work for you. We call that slavery.
> >
> > > the freedom to live without fear of murder from private guns,
> >
> > From *any* guns. From any coercion whatsoever, other than the
> > "coercion" to refrain from coercing others.
> >
> > > the freedom to have a roof over one's head.
> >
> > Build a roof and you'll have a roof. Earn money and pay someone to
> > build you a roof, and you'll have a roof. Your abuse of the word
> > "freedom" to mean your right to compel others to provide for you, even
> > if that restricts their freedom is simply repulsive.
> >
> > Judaism says "Is his blood redder than yours?" It also says, "One who
> > wishes to claim ownership of something from someone else carries the
> > burden of proving that it is his". You can't create a dictatorship of
> > the mob and claim that it has the right to steal from Reuven to pay
> > Shimon.
> >
> > Lisa
>
> I am not quite sure why you invoke Judaism in your call for freedom.
Um... because the quotes I mentioned specifically point out that you
don't have a right to take from other people against their will. Not
even if you cloak it in the guise of government. Even the mitzvah of
tzedaka, which does require individuals to give something of their
own, grants the giver the right to decide to whom to give it.
> Clearly
> there is no such thing as absolute freedom. By definition my freedom must
> encroach on your freedom.
Not in the least. It's very simple. My freedom to swing my fist ends
where your nose begins. Rights *cannot* conflict. The freedom of one
individual *cannot* encroach on the freedom of another. Unless you're
grossly misusing the term "freedom". Any sane definition of "freedom"
excludes the abridgement of the freedom of others.
Here in the US, we say that people have the right to "life, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness". We do not say that people have the
right to happiness. Just the pursuit thereof. Someone who is not
wealthy has the right, should he choose, to try and attain wealth.
But they don't have any "entitlement" to wealth.
Someone who wants healthcare has three choices:
* Purchase it
* Ask someone for it, and try to persuade them to give it to you
* Do without
Getting a mob together and forcing other people to provide you with it
is not a choice. Or if you want to add that to the list of choices,
you might just as well add robbing a bank and using that to pay for
it. The three choices I mentioned are the only choices that do not
force others to do your bidding.
> Whilst we all have responsibilities, we also have responsibilities for each
> other. Despite what Mrs Thatcher said there is such a thing as society,
> something which the present Tory leader has acknowledged.
Sure there's such a thing. But it doesn't have an identity of its own
that allows it to own the individuals who compose it. Society must be
a servant of individuals, and not the other way around. I get that
this isn't an easily understood concept to most Europeans, due to
their history of being owned.
Judaism says, "Give thanks for the government, for without it, men
would swallow each other alive." That's in Pirkei Avot. Government
exists to mediate disputes and to prevent people, or groups of people,
from imposing their will on others. Forcing me to pay for the upkeep
of others against my will is "swallowing me alive". It's saying that
when I work, and when I get paid for that work, other people have a
prior claim on a large percentage of that pay. That's obscene.
> What you favour is Darwinism not Judaism, ie the survival of the fittest.
Not at all. In Darwinism, people don't help other people. Judaism
supports helping other people. It's a good thing to do. But consider
this:
When I give a donation to tzedaka, I am making a personal choice to
give to that particular individual or institution. Not only does this
benefit the recipient, but it improves *me* as an individual. It
makes me more a part of the world and less of an island. Taking
responsibility is a virtue that is its own reward.
When I am forced to pony up, there's no moral choice involved. I
might as well be paying protection money to an extortionist. I am
actually *unable* to give as much to tzedaka as I otherwise would, and
I am deprived of that opportunity to improve myself. The entire world
becomes stingier as a result. You see this as a good thing?
There are two ways to get other people to do something you want done.
Convince them, or force them. It's clear which one you prefer. I'm
just saying that Judaism doesn't hold that to be a moral preference.
> Judaism doesn't say "The meek shall inherit the earth" but I don't think it
> says the opposite.
Read above. It says that you can't take something away from someone
without proving that it belongs to someone else. The money I earn at
my job doesn't belong to other people.
Lisa
Eliyahu Rooff
"Lord Baeron" <LordB...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:172n0epowcj3x.1...@40tude.net...
enjoy here as well, ranging from Benny Hill to Upstairs-Downstairs on
TV, music (groups like the Beatles did make a bit of an impact on our
musical culture), architecture, etc. And our Marines certainly
appreciate your Harrier jump jets. (they're the only US military service
currently using them.) The issue of whether we find things to like or
to dislike probable depends on whether we 're looking for them.
Eliyahu
Don Levey
All four series, plus the specials. Via broadcast, and tapes/DVDs
on sale.
As well, we've gotten Thin Blue Line, Mr Bean, and an occasional
Not the 9:00 News.
Shlomo Argamon
Lisa, what about the fact that in Judaism the government (read: the
king) has effectively an unlimited right to tax for whatever projects
it determines are worthy? (See Shmuel A, e.g.)
:-)BB!!
-Shlomo-
Fiona
"Don Levey" <Don_...@the-leveys.us> wrote
> "Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> writes:
> > "Susan Cohen" <fla...@verizon.net> wrote
> > > "Don Levey" <Don_...@the-leveys.us> wrote
> > > >
> > > > Hey, we got lotsa that irony stuff, all around! Rich deposits of
it.
> > > > Like goldy or bronzey, only with iron, right?
> > >
> > > Baldric, you owe me a groat.
> >
> > You get Black Adder in the States?
> >
> >
> All four series, plus the specials. Via broadcast, and tapes/DVDs
> on sale.
>
> As well, we've gotten Thin Blue Line, Mr Bean, and an occasional
> Not the 9:00 News.
What about Red Dwarf?
BlackMonk
That was pretty popular over here.
Eliyahu Rooff
System's fund-raising pledge week, and then only the first few seasons's
episodes.
Eliyahu
BlackMonk
See what you're missing by not living in New York? Never mind that it was
actually rerun on a New Jersey station and they're not showing it any more.
You could watch it in New York. The way these shows get recycled, you
probably will again in a few years.
Nick
> In article <clik4m$832$1$8300...@news.demon.co.uk>, Fiona
> <fi...@intxtdoc.nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
> >
> >"YZK" <yaa...@nyct.net> wrote
> >> Z wrote:
> >>
> >> > Ian / Iain is Gaelic version of John / Iaonnis.
> >>
> >> Actually, I believe those would be Sean (Irish Gaelic) and Sion
(Welsh),
> >> respectively.
> >
> >I thought Ian was the Anglo derivative of Jan (pronounced Yan).
> >
> >
> >Fiona
> >
> >
> No, the Anglo 'derivative' of Jan (as in Jan Sobieski) is John. Iain is
> very definitely Gaelic version of 'English' John, French Jean and
> Polish, Czech and Slavic Jan, Greek Iaoniss. All are derived from Hebrew
> Yochanan via Greek.
>
>
> http://behindthename.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?terms=Iain&nmd=n&gender=both&
> operator=or
>
> http://behindthename.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?terms=john
>
> Now, what of Hebrew Yaniv?
> --
> Z
> Remove all Zeds in e-mail address to reply.
>
According to the above website Yochanan means God is gracious. How can you
have God's name in someone's name. Presumably cf Elchanan (my father's
Hebrew name).
Nick
Lisa
> Lisa, what about the fact that in Judaism the government (read: the
> king) has effectively an unlimited right to tax for whatever projects
> it determines are worthy? (See Shmuel A, e.g.)
Gezeirat ha-katuv. <shrug> Lashem ha-aretz u-melo'o. Everything we
own, the very concept of our ownership, exists within the greater
ownership Hashem has of everything. And everyone. Creator's right.
You could also have asked me about hefker beit din hefker. Just
because Hashem gives a perogative to people doesn't mean they are
right to use it indiscriminately. A king of Israel can tax the people
to buy ointment for his feet while people starve. It doesn't mean he
should.
And I don't agree that you can use the Torah system as a model for
other governments. Or do you think a secular court should have the
right to take from anyone and give to anyone else, however it sees
fit?
Lisa
Shlomo Argamon
li...@starways.net (Lisa) writes:
> Shlomo Argamon <arg...@NOargamonSPAM.com> wrote in message news:<tig4qkd...@sunlight.cs.biu.ac.il>...
> > Lisa, what about the fact that in Judaism the government (read: the
> > king) has effectively an unlimited right to tax for whatever projects
> > it determines are worthy? (See Shmuel A, e.g.)
>
> Gezeirat ha-katuv. <shrug> Lashem ha-aretz u-melo'o. Everything we
> own, the very concept of our ownership, exists within the greater
> ownership Hashem has of everything. And everyone. Creator's right.
> You could also have asked me about hefker beit din hefker. Just
> because Hashem gives a perogative to people doesn't mean they are
> right to use it indiscriminately. A king of Israel can tax the people
> to buy ointment for his feet while people starve. It doesn't mean he
> should.
But it does clearly mean that taxation is one of the allowable tools
at government's disposal, no? (Actually, I forget the original
context of my comment, which you snipped. Could you refresh my
memory?)
> And I don't agree that you can use the Torah system as a model for
> other governments.
In that case, the Torah's views on property rights are irrelevant as
well.
-Shlomo-
Nick
news:2u5dg7F...@uni-berlin.de...> news:20041025000252...@mb-m05.aol.com...> > >> news:20041024194809...@mb-m25.aol.com...
> > >> > >Subject: Re: John Vs. Jon: The Jewish Name Game
> > >> > >From: "Eliyahu Rooff" lro...@hotmail.com
> > >> > >Date: 10/24/04 11:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> > >> > >Message-idm <10nninv...@corp.supernews.com>
> > >> >
> > >> > <<Of course most of us have known NYC Jews with all the names you
> > >> mentioned, so
> > >> > it may be just a little trolling>There's also nothing>particularly
> > >> Jewish about
> > >> > "Darrin">>
> > >> >
> > >> > Eliyahu, go ahead and name me all the Jews who spell it as "John."
> > >>
> > >> If you read the rest of the posts in this thread, you'll find plenty.
> >
> > >From Jewhoo:
> > >John Banner
> > >John Brown
> > >John Francis Daly
> > >Joihn Garfield
> > >John Karlen
> > >John Marley
> > >John Pleshette
> > >John Randolph
> > >John Rubenstein
> > >John Weitz
> > >John Grabow
> > >Johnny Rosenblatt
> > >Johnny Murray
> > >Johnny Rosner
> > >John Braham
> > >Johnny Wayne (Canadian comedian, not John Wayne)
> > >John Kander
> > >John Latouche
> > >Johnny Mandel
> > >Johnny Marks
> > >John Zorn (FROM NYC)
> > >John Landis
> > >John Schlesinger
> > >John Frank
> > >John Gofman
> > >Johnny Clegg
> > >John Weider
> > >There's more, but I think the point is made.>
> >
> > Most of the above names are stage names. ie. John Garfield (one of my
> personal
> > favs) was born Julius Garfinkle, NYC! Next... eh -D, NYC "A hustle here
> and a
> > hustle there - New York City is the place where they say - hey babe,
take
> a
> > walk on the wild side" - LOU REED (b. Rabinowitz, NYC)
> >
>
> You'll have to give more than one example if you claim "most" are stage
> names. Even if most are, some aren't.
>
> Incidently, according to Moe Tucker, who's an exceptionally good source
in
> this case*, Lou Reed's real name is Lou Reed.
>
> *For those who don't follow this sort of thing, Moe was the drummer in the
> Velvet Underground, Lou's band in the sixties, and knew Lou very well.
>
>
Lou Reed was born Lewis Alan Reed.
http://www.warholstars.org/chron/192862.html
Nick
Nick
The following site contains Jewish boy's names
http://www.babynames.org.uk/jewish-boy-baby-names.htm
I have made comments ?,?? etc as to what I think of them as Jewish names.
Some I might not have heard of the Biblical regerence.
Nick
Aaron
Abarron ??
Abba
Abe
Abel
Abell
Abijah ??
Abimelech
Abir ??
Abiram
Abisha ??
Able ??
Abner ??
Abraham
Abram
Abramo ?
Absolom
Adam
Adar ??
Addai ??
Addam
Aden ??
Aderet ??
Adin ??
Adir - Hu!?
Adiv ?
Adlai ??
Adlai
Adley ??
Adli ??
Admon ??
Adniel ?
Adon - Olam?
Adonai - Hashem??
Adriel ??
Adriyel ??
Ager ??
Ahab
Ahsalom ??
Aitan
Akiba
Akim ??
Akiva
Aksel ??
Akub ??
Alijah ??
Alim ??
Alivia - Newton John?!
Alon
Alter ??
Alva ? Edison's middle name
Alvah ?
Alvan ?
Amasa ?
Amichai
Amiel ?
Amikam ?
Amir
Amiram ?
Amita ?
Amiti =Amitai
Ammi ?
Ammitai
Amnon
Amon ?
Amos
Amram
Aram
Ardon ?
Ari
Arie
Ariel
Arion ??
Arlan (Arlon Spector?)
Arland ?
Arlando ??
Arlen ?
Arlin ?
Armen (Corner?)
Armin ?
Armon ?
Arnan ?
Aron
Arvad ?
Arye
Aryeh
Asa (I have heard English people of that name but not Jewish)
Asaf
Asaph
Asher
Ashur
Avi
Avichai ?
Avidan
Avidan
Avidor (Avigdor yes)
Aviel ?
Avigdor
Avimelech
Avinoam
Aviram
Avisha ?
Avishai
Avital
Avner ?
Avniel ?
Avraham
Avsalom
Avshalom ?
Axel German?
Azaria
Azarious ?
Azaryah
Azaryahu ?
Azriel
Bama (as in that's a real ...)
Barak
Baram
Barnabas
Barnabe
Barnaby
Baron ? Biblical?
Barrak
Bart (as in Simpson)
Bartel (sounds like a toy firm)
Barth - I've heard a Jewish surname
Bartholomew (St Bartholomew)
Bartley ?
Baruch
Bela Hungarian name
Ben
Benedictson Latin name
Beniamino Italian name
Benjamin
Benjy
Benkamin - what?
Benny
Benoni
Benroy - what?
Benson - Benzion yes
Benson
Benzion
Berakhiah - I know this as an Israeli surname
Betzalel
Binah - a name
Binyamin
Boas
Boaz
Bogdan ?
Bohdan ?
Cain
Cale ?
Caleb
Carmel Girl's name
Carmelo ?
Carmi ?
Carmine ?
Chagai
Chaim
Chanan
Chanoch
Chaviv
Chavivi ?
Chayim
Che - Guevara well-known Jews
Chepe Yes??
Chiram
Choni
Dabi ?
Dagan ? Sounds like an American swearword
Dagon
Dalit ?
Dan
Dane
Danel
Danell
Dani
Daniel
Daniele Girl's name
Danil?
Danila ??
Dann ?
Dannie
Dannon French yoghurt company
Danny
Dantrell ?
Danyl ?
Dar ??
Dave
Davi
David
Davin ? As in davening
Deen ??
Deron ?? Deron ron ron ron
Dor ?
Doren
Dov
Dovev ?
Eban
Eben
Ebenezer
Eder ?
Efraim
Efran
Efrat
Efrayim
Efrem ?
Efren ?
Efron ?
EIlis Bibllical source?
Eitan
Elam ?
Elan ?
Elazar
Elazaro ?
Eleazar
Elhanan
Eli
Elias
Eliezer
Elihu
Elijah
Eliot Jewish name?
Eliseo ?
Elishama
Elisheba Girl's name
Elisheva Ditto
Eljah Never heard that one
Elkanah Samuel's mother?
Elliott Jewish?
Elrad ?
Ely
Emanuel
Emmanuel
Enoch Best known for a British politician - yes biblical
Ephram
Ephrem
Ephron
Eran ?
Eri ?
Eron ?
Errapel ?
Esau
Esdras ?
Eshkol Bunch of grapes but a name other than Levi Eshkol
Esra
Etan
Ethan
Evelyn What?
Eyal
Eyou ?
Ezechiel
Ezekiel
Ezra
Ezrah
Feivel Yiddish
Foma What?
Gabai A name?
Gabe
Gabi
Gabor Hungarian name
Gabrian ?
Gabriel
Gabriele Girl
Gabrielo
Gal
Gali
Gamaliel
Ganit ?
Gavi
Gavriel
Gedaliah
Gedalya
Gedalyahu
Gedeon
Geremia ??
Gersham
Gershom
Giacomo Italian
Gian Italian
Giannes Italian
Gideon
Gil
Gilead
Gili
Gilli
Gilon
Giovanni Italian
Gur
Guri
Gurion ?? Father of Ben Gurion
Guy ??
Habib Arabic name
Hadar?
Ham Brother of Japhet but ever heard of a Jewish boy of that name
Hanan
Hannibal ??
Harel Biblical
Harmon ?
Harrell ?
Harrod A top people's shop in London
Hayyim
Heber ?
Heman Schwartzeneger
Herschel ? Yiddish name?
Hershel
Hezekiah
Hieremias What?
Hiram ?
Hod ?
Honi ?
Hosea
Hyman
Iakovos Greek or Latin for Jacob
Ian Jewish name - Scottsh name see other postings
Iaokim ?
Ichabod
Ike American Jewish for Isaac
Ilias
Illias
Imanol ?
Ioan ?
Ionnes?
Iosep Romanian for Joseph cf Josep Brod (Stalin?)
Ioseph
Iov ?
Ira American Jewish
Iram?
Isaac
Isaakios What?
Isaiah
Isaias
Iseabail ??
Ishmael
Isiah
Ismael
Ismail
Israel
Isreal What?
Itai ?
Ittamar ?
Ivrit ? A person's name
Ixaka ??
Izaak
Izreal Spelling
Izzy An abbreviation
Jaap Dutch
Jabin ?
Jacan ?
Jack
Jacob
Jacob
Jacobe
Jacot ??
Jaden ?
Jader ?
Jadon?
Jaedon?
Jael Israeli girl's name
Jaira ?
Jairus?
Jake
Jakeem?
Jakome?
James Jewish name?
Jamian ?
Jamie ?
Jamiel?
Jamin?
Jamon (Spanish=pork)
Jan European
Jancsi What?
Jani Also Euporean
Janie ?
Jankia?
Janko?
Jannes?
Janos Hungarian
Jantje Dutch?
Japhet Ever heard anyone with that name
Japheth Ditto
Jaques French Jacob?
Jarah ?
Jared Hungarian?
Jariath ??
Jaron?
Jarrett ?
Jasper English name?
Javan ?
Javen ?
Jaydon?
Jaymin?
Jeb
Jebediah
Jed?
Jedadiah
Jedaiah?
Jedd
Jedediah
Jedi A characteric in Star Wars
Jediah
Jedidiah
Jehoichin ?
Jehu
Jem?
Jenda Sounds also from Star Wars
Jephtah
Jerad?
Jerah?
Jered?
Jeremi
Jeremiah
Jeremias
Jeremie
Jeremy
Jeriah?
Jerod?
Jerrah?
Jerrick? Sounds from Shakespeare
Jerrod See Jered or Jared
Jesiah?
Jess
Jesse
Jessey
Jessie
Jessy
Jesus? Yes, an obvious Jewish name
Jethro
Jim ?
Jimmy?
Joachim
Job
Jobe
Joby
Jocheved
Jock? Ach aye
Joe
Joed
Joel
Joen?
Joey
Johan
John
Johnathan
Johnathon
Johnny
Jokin? They must be
Jomar - and the whale
Jon
Jonah
Jonam
Jonas
Jonatan
Jonathan
Jonathon
Jonny
Joop Dutch
Joosef Ditto
Jopie?
Jorah?
Joram
Jordain?
Jordan
Jordell Misspelling of Jodrell Bank in UK
Jordi Catalan
Jordy Ditto
Jore?
Jori?
Jorie?
Jorim??
Jory?
Joseba?
Josef
Joseph
Josephus I can imagine an American boy with that moniker
Josh
Joshua
Joshwa ?
Josiah
Josias
Joss
Josu ?
Josue?
Jotham?
Jourdaine?
Jourdon?
Jov
Joziah
Jubal?
Jubal
Jud
Jud
Judah
Judas
Judd
Jude
Juha ?
Jukka?
Junien?
Jurre?
Jussi?
Kalb?
Kaleb
Kaniel?
Karmel
Kedem?
Kenaz?
Kobe?
Kuper?
Laban
Lapidos?
Lapidoth?
Lavan
Lazar
Lazarus
Lazzaro Italian
Leb
Lemuel Is that Biblicial Lemuel Gulliver
Lev
Levey
Levi
Lewi
Lot
Machau ?
Machum?
Mads?
Mai?
Maichail?
Makis?
Mal
Malachi
Malachy
Manasses?
Manuel??
Marnin?
Matai
Mate
Mathe
Mathew
Mathews
Matt
Matthew
Matthias
Matthieu
Mattias
Matyas
Matz?
Mayir?
Meilseoir?
Meir
Melchoir
Menachem
Menassah
Mendel
Meyer
Micah
Michael
Michel
Michon?
Mihaly?
Mika
Mikael
Mike
Mikel??
Mikhail
Mikhalis?
Mikhos In the US?
Mikkel
Miron ?
Misi?
Miska?
Mitchell? Michael?
Moeshe
Mordecai
Mordechai
Moses
Moshe
Mosheh
Myron?
Naaman He wasn't Jewish
Nachman
Nadav
Nadiv
Naftali
Naftalie
Nahum
Nat
Natanael
Nate
Nathan
Nathanael
Nathanial
Nathaniel
Nechemya
Nehemiah
Nethanel
Nimrod
Nissim
Noach
Noah
Noam
Noe?
Nuri?
Obediah
Oded
Ofer?
Omar An Arab name
Omeet ?
Omet?
Omri?
Oren?
Ori?
Orin?
Oris?
Ornice?
Osip ??
Ovadiah
Ovadya
Oved?
Ovid?
Ozi?
Ozzi?
Ozzie?
Paltel?
Palti?
Paz?
Pesach
Pessach
Phineas
Raanan
Radwan Arab?
Rafael
Rafal
Rafe
Ranen?
Rani
Ranit
Ranon
Raphael
Ravid?
Rechavia?
Reuben
Reuhen?
Ron Jewish Israeli name Roni
Roni
Rouvin?
R'phael
Ruben
Rueban
Saadya
Sakeri?
Salamon
Samoel?
Sampson
Samson
Samuel
Sanson?
Sasson?
Saul
Schmaiah Yuiddish name?
Schmuel
Seanan?
Senen?
Seosamh?
Seosaph?
Serafim Angel but a name
Serafin Ditto
Seraphim ditto
Set =Seth?
Seth
Shaan?
Shadrach?
Shane?
Shelomo
Shem
Shet?
Shilo Place
Shiloh
Shimshon
Shlomo
Shubha ?
Simao ?
Simcha
Simen?
Simeon
Simon
Simson ?
Sinai Name?
Sinon ?
Siomon?
Sivan Heard this as girl's name
Sol
Solomon
Symeon
Taaveti What?
Taavi
Tab
Tabor
Talmai ?
Tamas ?
Taneli ?
Tapani?
Teppo?
Thaddeus?
Thoma?
Thomas New Testament
Tobiah
Tobias
Tobin Surname
Tohy?
Tomas NT
Tomek?
Tovi
Tsidhqiyah Sephardi?
Tutyahu?
Tuvya
Tuvya
Tzadok
Tzefanyah
Tzefanyahu
Tzion
Tziyon
Tzuriel?
Tzvi
Uri
Uriah
Uriel
Uzziah
Uzziel
Vaschel?
Venamin?
Veniamin?
Venjamin
Ximen Greek
Ximon Greek
Ximun Greek
Yaakov
Yadid ?
Yagil ?
Yago?
Yair
Yakov
Yanis ??
Yannis?
Yaphet
Yardane?
Yarema?
Yaremka?
Yaron?
Yavin?
Yedidiah?
Yedidyah?
Yeeshai?
Yehoash?
Yehonadov?
Yehoshua
Yehuda
Yehudah
Yehudi
Yerachmiel
Yered?
Yerik?
Yerucham?
Yeshaya?
Yiftach?
Yigil?
Yigol Yigal?
Yisreal spelling
Yissachar
Yitro
Yitzchak
Yoel
Yonah
Yosef
Yosefu ?
Yusef
Yuval
Zacchaeus
Zach
Zachaios?
Zachariah
Zacharias
Zachary
Zachely?
Zack
Zadok
Zalman
Zamir
Zan?
Zane?
Zani?
Zarad?
Zared?
Zavad?
Zayit?
Zebediah
Zebulon
Zebulun
Zechariah
Zed
Zedekiah
Zeke
Zephan?
Zephaniah
Zevulun
Zimra?
Ziv?
Zohar
Zubin Zubin Mehta is an Indian Parsee
Zuriel?
BlackMonk
Funny, they didn't look Jewish.
> Adonai - Hashem??
Can you imagine the pressure the parents put on the poor kid with that name?
> Armen (Corner?)
How many people here did you expect to get that? I suppose someone who
references Lydia Lunch in his posts shouldn't talk.
> Barnabas
Good name for vampires, too.
> Elliott Jewish?
Yes. Elliot Gould, for one.
> Enoch Best known for a British politician - yes biblical
But do you really want to claim him for one of your own?
> Evelyn What?
As Lucy Ricardo would say "WAAAAUUUUUGH"
> Giovanni Italian
A form of John, bringing this thread full circle.
> Ham Brother of Japhet but ever heard of a Jewish boy of that name
Something about that doesn't sound kosher.
> Jesus? Yes, an obvious Jewish name
It was at one point. Maybe we should reclaim it.
> Judas
I suspect this one isn't very common these days, either.
DarrinT68
>Date: 10/31/04 1:51 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <cm35sa$adj$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>
>> > Most of the above names are stage names. ie. John Garfield (one of my
>> personal>> > favs) was born Julius Garfinkle, NYC! Next... eh -D, NYC "A
hustle here
>> and a>> > hustle there - New York City is the place where they say - hey
babe,
>take>> a>> > walk on the wild side" - LOU REED (b. Rabinowitz, NYC)
>> >
>> You'll have to give more than one example if you claim "most" are stage
>> names. Even if most are, some aren't.>>
>> Incidently, according to Moe Tucker, who's an exceptionally good source
>in>> this case*, Lou Reed's real name is Lou Reed.>>
>> *For those who don't follow this sort of thing, Moe was the drummer in the
>> Velvet Underground, Lou's band in the sixties, and knew Lou very well.>>
>Lou Reed was born Lewis Alan Reed.
>http://www.warholstars.org/chron/192862.html>Nick
Apparently not well enough! Lou Reed was born to Sidney George Reed, who had
changed his last name from Rabinowitz. In the end, the family name was
Rabinowitz. Once again, never question the YID of TID! eh Here's the
confirmation link:
http://newtimes.rwaycom/1999/022499/chatter.shtml
BlackMonk
In other words, he was NOT b. Rabinowitz, since his father's name was Reed
at the time of his birth. eheheheh.
Sorry, but when it comes to information about Lou Reed, I'm going to take
Moe Tucker over you and any anonymous source you dig up.
And Bloomberg is still a disgrace to New York City.
Nick
<stour...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<2u55kfF...@uni-berlin.de>...
> > "Lisa" <li...@starways.net> wrote in message name Hannah is from the same
> > root. My guess is
> > > that the name Anais (as in Anais Nin) may be related as well.
> >
> > Anais comes from the Turkish "anani sikeyim" - meaning blessed mother!
>
> Hmm... that sounds reasonable, but it's coming from your Ben Drusoy
> account, so I can't tell if you're kidding.
>
> Lisa
According to http://website.lineone.net/~sascha1/name/a.htm Anais is Catalan
and Provencal version of Anna.
Nin's father was Spanish according to a website I consulted.
Nick
Don Levey
That too, though I was concentrating on Rowan Atkinson shows.
Eliyahu Rooff
>
>
>> Jesus? Yes, an obvious Jewish name
>
> It was at one point. Maybe we should reclaim it.
>
>> Judas
>
> I suspect this one isn't very common these days, either.
>
Both, of course, are very anglicized versions of Hebrew names that
occurred due to an apparent misconception that the Hebrew alphabet
included the letter "J".
Eliyahu