Shofar finishing/polishing
Eliyahu
cleaned it out, cut off the tip, formed a mouthpiece on the end. Now,
I want to polish it. How do I get the nice polished finish that I see
on the nicer store-bought shofars?
Eliyahu <the industrious...>
Don Levey
I've not done this yet with horn, but I have with many other materials.
Polishing is simply the art of taking big scratches and making them
into smaller scratches. Then make those smaller, and so on.
For this, I would sand smooth. Very smooth - at least 600 grit
sandpaper. Then, if you have a bench grinder or other motor that will
take a buffing wheel, start with triple-E polishing grit and move up
to white diamond. Alternately, you could probably use a car polish
(I tend to like Maguires), first heave cut and then fine. Only then
would it be suitable to finish up with a wax, probably carnauba.
Hope that helps.
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"Eliyahu" <lro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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: Okay, I'm just about done with making my own shofar. 42" Kudu horn,
Get a buffer wheel. Either on a bench grinder or on a drill. Use a cloth one.
Even Drimmel Tools have them.
Also go to hobby shops that specialize in rock polishing. The techniques are
similar.
BTW folks, don't any of you have hobbies like RC planes or rock
collecting/polishing or such? Or even wood working?
Get a hobby and learn some life skills....
kepip...@hotmail.com
Others here have provided suggestions for polishing. Knowing nothing of
this art myself, I have nothing to add or subtract in that department.
But might I inquire what your purpose is here? You can purchase a ready
made and polished shofar for far less than the cost and bother of doing
it yourself. But I imagine your desire is to have a self made product
rather than a commercial one. If so, why would you wish to polish it so
that it will look just like the commerical ones? I would think it
prefferable to retain it in its natural finish so that your efforts are
recognisable, not camoflaged.
Is this shofar prepared for decorative purposes or for ritual purposes?
If the latter, then before going to further trouble and expense, one of
our authorities on rabbinic zoology might enlighten us regarding the
anatomy of the kudu horn, and whether such horn meets the requirements
for shofar. Not all mammalian horns do, and in fact many do not.
Giorgies
eagerly awaiting the sounding of the shofar that heralds Mashiah, as
well as the lifting of the non-shofar horn of King David (wuqarno tarum
biyeshuathekha, wayarem qeren meshiho). Good writing and sealing to all.
Eliyahu
Shmaryahu b. Chanoch <Omeg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Eliyahu" <lro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1156368837.7...@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> : Okay, I'm just about done with making my own shofar. 42" Kudu horn,
> : cleaned it out, cut off the tip, formed a mouthpiece on the end. Now,
> : I want to polish it. How do I get the nice polished finish that I see
> : on the nicer store-bought shofars?
> :
> : Eliyahu <the industrious...>
> :
>
> Get a buffer wheel. Either on a bench grinder or on a drill. Use a cloth one.
> Even Drimmel Tools have them.
FWIW, it's Dremel... And a Dremel tool would be a bit undersized for a
42" shofar, nu?
>
> Also go to hobby shops that specialize in rock polishing. The techniques are
> similar.
Lapidary equipment would be singularly unsuited for polishing organic
materials like horn. The grits are far to fine and would take months to
do the job.
>
> BTW folks, don't any of you have hobbies like RC planes or rock
> collecting/polishing or such? Or even wood working?
>
> Get a hobby and learn some life skills....
Get a hobby and learn some life skills??? All I can say is that you
know very little about me. I asked about polishing the shofar because
I haven't done one before and don't want to screw it up out of
ignorance. Meanwhile, do I have hobbies? Let me see... I've collected
and restored literally hundreds of antique Kodak cameras. I do
woodworking and have made both furniture and kitchen cabinets in my own
house, as well as numerous smaller gift items. I used to build model
cars and airplanes. I repair and restore antique bicycles, as well as
maintaining my road, track and mountain bicycles and my Kawasaki
Drifter motorcycle. I've restored three 1958 Chevys and two classic
boats over the years. I have a library that's busting out at the seams.
I built my own computers and wired the house for a home network, as
well as redoing much of the other wiring and plumbing. I designed and
built the patio deck and furniture for the local shul president. More
recently, I installed a hardwood parquet floor in the kitchen and built
new steps for the patio door, rebuilt the fencing and gates when we got
a new dog, and maintain a garden full of blooming rose bushes. Two
years ago, I rebuilt and refinished my piano, including installing new
pedals and bridal straps and retopped the keys. I play several
woodwinds as well, and sing with the local choral society. I could go
on and on, but I think I've made my point. Asking for advice on a
particular project isn't an admission of total ineptness. It's a
recognition from experience that the materials which work well with one
thing don't automatically carry over to another. It's the same reason
that I don't use the same jeweler's rouge for polishing stainless steel
as I used when I refinished the Torah finials for my shul. Using the
wrong stuff can screw things up royally. Any more questions?
Eliyahu
kepip...@hotmail.com
> Eliyahu wrote:
> > Okay, I'm just about done with making my own shofar. 42" Kudu horn,
> > cleaned it out, cut off the tip, formed a mouthpiece on the end. Now,
> > I want to polish it. How do I get the nice polished finish that I see
> > on the nicer store-bought shofars?
>
> this art myself, I have nothing to add or subtract in that department.
>
> But might I inquire what your purpose is here? You can purchase a ready
> made and polished shofar for far less than the cost and bother of doing
> it yourself. But I imagine your desire is to have a self made product
> rather than a commercial one. If so, why would you wish to polish it so
> that it will look just like the commerical ones? I would think it
> prefferable to retain it in its natural finish so that your efforts are
> recognisable, not camoflaged.
>
> Is this shofar prepared for decorative purposes or for ritual purposes?
> If the latter, then before going to further trouble and expense, one of
> our authorities on rabbinic zoology might enlighten us regarding the
> anatomy of the kudu horn, and whether such horn meets the requirements
> for shofar. Not all mammalian horns do, and in fact many do not.
Update: I have made inquiry myself. Yes, the kudu antelope has horns
that do meet the requirements for a shofar, and in fact these horns are
prefferred in many Yemenite communities.
I still stand by my recommendation that you leave the shofar with its
natural finish. Why would you want to give it a high gloss finish that
makes it look cheap and commercial? Papa was a shohet for many years,
and he prepared a good many shofroth, several of which are still in my
possession. All are from rams or ewes, non from kudus. None is polished
glossy.
Giorgies
Shmaryahu b. Chanoch <Omega.d21@gmail.com>
:
: > news:1156368837.7...@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
: > : Okay, I'm just about done with making my own shofar. 42" Kudu horn,
: > : cleaned it out, cut off the tip, formed a mouthpiece on the end. Now,
: > : I want to polish it. How do I get the nice polished finish that I see
: > : on the nicer store-bought shofars?
: > :
: > : Eliyahu <the industrious...>
: > :
: >
: > Get a buffer wheel. Either on a bench grinder or on a drill. Use a cloth
one.
: > Even Drimmel Tools have them.
:
: FWIW, it's Dremel... And a Dremel tool would be a bit undersized for a
: 42" shofar, nu?
Not for the odd curves and such.
: >
: > Also go to hobby shops that specialize in rock polishing. The techniques
are
: > similar.
:
: Lapidary equipment would be singularly unsuited for polishing organic
: materials like horn. The grits are far to fine and would take months to
: do the job.
There are grits that are more course. And the basic polishing wheel would work
well.
: >
: > BTW folks, don't any of you have hobbies like RC planes or rock
Then why ask us? You have the skills and the knowledge already (of which most
American Jews seem to lack). You would be far better then to ask those who are
experienced in this material which I doubt that you would find here.
Frankly I would use wood working or rock polishing tools myself. I would adapt
them to the job at hand. It is finding the right level of coarseness in the
polishing material.
Shmaryahu b. Chanoch <Omega.d21@gmail.com>
<kepip...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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From his reply (sometimes it works to insult people in order to get them tell
more) to me, he has the skills and likes to work with his hands.
cycjec
> But might I inquire what your purpose is here?
To make shofar his-own-self!
Tim Meushaw
>
> "Eliyahu" <lro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1156721175.8...@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>:
>: > news:1156368837.7...@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>: > : Okay, I'm just about done with making my own shofar. 42" Kudu horn,
>: > : cleaned it out, cut off the tip, formed a mouthpiece on the end. Now,
>: > : I want to polish it. How do I get the nice polished finish that I see
>: > : on the nicer store-bought shofars?
>: > BTW folks, don't any of you have hobbies like RC planes or rock
>: > collecting/polishing or such? Or even wood working?
>: >
>: > Get a hobby and learn some life skills....
>:
>: Get a hobby and learn some life skills??? All I can say is that you
>: know very little about me. I asked about polishing the shofar because
>: I haven't done one before and don't want to screw it up out of
>: ignorance. Meanwhile, do I have hobbies? Let me see...
<snip>
>: I could go
>: on and on, but I think I've made my point. Asking for advice on a
>: particular project isn't an admission of total ineptness. It's a
>: recognition from experience that the materials which work well with one
>: thing don't automatically carry over to another. It's the same reason
>: that I don't use the same jeweler's rouge for polishing stainless steel
>: as I used when I refinished the Torah finials for my shul. Using the
>: wrong stuff can screw things up royally. Any more questions?
>
> Then why ask us? You have the skills and the knowledge already (of which most
> American Jews seem to lack). You would be far better then to ask those who are
> experienced in this material which I doubt that you would find here.
>
> Frankly I would use wood working or rock polishing tools myself. I would adapt
> them to the job at hand. It is finding the right level of coarseness in the
> polishing material.
If he knows how to polish wood, why would anyone assume the same
techniques would necessarily work with animal horn? There's a lot of
ranged experience in this group, someone may have had a better technique.
Unfortunately, it appears not, but that doesn't make it wrong for him
to have asked.
Tim
--
Timothy A. Meushaw
meu...@pobox.com
Eliyahu
Eliyahu
Larisa
kepip...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Eliyahu wrote:
> > Okay, I'm just about done with making my own shofar. 42" Kudu horn,
> > cleaned it out, cut off the tip, formed a mouthpiece on the end. Now,
> > I want to polish it. How do I get the nice polished finish that I see
> > on the nicer store-bought shofars?
> >
> > Eliyahu <the industrious...>
>
> Others here have provided suggestions for polishing. Knowing nothing of
> this art myself, I have nothing to add or subtract in that department.
>
> But might I inquire what your purpose is here?
Why? Is there something wrong with wishing to make an item with one's
own hands, even if that item can be readily purchased from a store? I
don't think he needs to justify himself to anyone at all.
Incidentally, would a nail buffer work? Nails and horns are not too
terribly dissimilar.
LM
Eliyahu
Larisa wrote:
> kepip...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Eliyahu wrote:
> > > Okay, I'm just about done with making my own shofar. 42" Kudu horn,
> > > cleaned it out, cut off the tip, formed a mouthpiece on the end. Now,
> > > I want to polish it. How do I get the nice polished finish that I see
> > > on the nicer store-bought shofars?
> > >
> > > Eliyahu <the industrious...>
> >
> > Others here have provided suggestions for polishing. Knowing nothing of
> > this art myself, I have nothing to add or subtract in that department.
> >
> > But might I inquire what your purpose is here?
>
> Why? Is there something wrong with wishing to make an item with one's
> own hands, even if that item can be readily purchased from a store? I
> don't think he needs to justify himself to anyone at all.
Even in this age of mass production, there are a few of us who enjoy
creating our own goods when possible and practical. For some, it's
baking a cake from scratch or building a coffee table for the living
room. For others, it's sewing a new dress, making curtains or growing
their own vegetables. A side benefit to it is that it makes us less
fearful of a breakdown in society or in the distribution system for
consumer goods. Despite the stereotype of American Jews being
mechanically inept, I've always enjoyed building and making things
myself.
>
> Incidentally, would a nail buffer work? Nails and horns are not too
> terribly dissimilar.
>
It probably would work, but the horn is a bit large for that approach,
being, as I mentioned, 42 inches long. Imagine using the nail buffer to
polish your entire left hand and arm... :-)
Eliyahu
Steve Goldfarb
>> Incidentally, would a nail buffer work? Nails and horns are not too
>> terribly dissimilar.
>>
>It probably would work, but the horn is a bit large for that approach,
>being, as I mentioned, 42 inches long. Imagine using the nail buffer to
>polish your entire left hand and arm... :-)
I saw a few references on Google to horn polishing, it looks like it has a
wider scope than just shofars.
I had a horn that i tried to turn into a shofar once years ago, didn't
have much success, but I learned that you have to be careful with power
tools because of burning -- definitely a concern at the drilling and
polishing steps. Old-fashioned elbow grease might be your best bet.
I saw on one shofar site that they actually straighten the horns first,
drill them, then re-spiral them using heat to soften them up.
--s
--
Eliyahu
and dig the softened stuff from out of the middle.
Eliyahu
Steve Goldfarb
>> I had a horn that i tried to turn into a shofar once years ago, didn't
>> have much success, but I learned that you have to be careful with power
>> tools because of burning -- definitely a concern at the drilling and
>> polishing steps. Old-fashioned elbow grease might be your best bet.
>>
>> I saw on one shofar site that they actually straighten the horns first,
>> drill them, then re-spiral them using heat to soften them up.
>>
>Why would they be drilling them? You boil the thing for a few hours
>and dig the softened stuff from out of the middle.
I'm not sure, and now I can't find the site again, but I found it in the
first place by googling "kudu horn." Isn't the tip solid, though? The horn
I had, and also per one of these sites, the first few inches (at the
pointy end) were solid and had to be drilled.
--s
--
levi...@gmail.com
Reminds me of a joke I read many years ago:
Two women neighbors are talking over the fence. One says:
You know, my three apple trees gave so much fruit this year, that I
have enough apples stored away for the whole winter. I've made aplle
jelly and apple fruit compote and applesauce, and I've a freezer full
of apple pies. I've made baked apples and apple fruit salad which I've
put in jars for the winter, and candy apples for Halloween and candied
apple peel. So many apples! If you were me, what would you do next?
Second neighbor: I'd chop down the trees.
Jay
Larisa
Eliyahu wrote:
> Larisa wrote:
> > Incidentally, would a nail buffer work? Nails and horns are not too
> > terribly dissimilar.
> >
> It probably would work, but the horn is a bit large for that approach,
> being, as I mentioned, 42 inches long. Imagine using the nail buffer to
> polish your entire left hand and arm... :-)
Well, true, but you might look for sandpaper/chamois cloth that is
similar to that used in nail buffers - a similar grit size and all
that.
Good luck with it, btw; sounds like a cool project. Will you post a
picture when it's done?
LM
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
>
> Larisa wrote:
>> kepip...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > Eliyahu wrote:
>> > > Okay, I'm just about done with making my own shofar. 42" Kudu horn,
>> > > cleaned it out, cut off the tip, formed a mouthpiece on the end. Now,
>> > > I want to polish it. How do I get the nice polished finish that I see
>> > > on the nicer store-bought shofars?
>> > >
>> > > Eliyahu <the industrious...>
>> >
>> > Others here have provided suggestions for polishing. Knowing nothing of
>> > this art myself, I have nothing to add or subtract in that department.
>> >
>> > But might I inquire what your purpose is here?
>>
>> Why? Is there something wrong with wishing to make an item with one's
>> own hands, even if that item can be readily purchased from a store? I
>> don't think he needs to justify himself to anyone at all.
>
> Even in this age of mass production, there are a few of us who enjoy
> creating our own goods when possible and practical. For some, it's
> baking a cake from scratch or building a coffee table for the living
> room. For others, it's sewing a new dress, making curtains or growing
> their own vegetables. A side benefit to it is that it makes us less
> fearful of a breakdown in society or in the distribution system for
> consumer goods. Despite the stereotype of American Jews being
> mechanically inept, I've always enjoyed building and making things
> myself.
Inept ? You want:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4324703412673021665
Enjoy :-)
Josh
Abe Kohen
>
>
> Inept ? You want:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4324703412673021665
>
> Enjoy :-)
>
> Josh
Thanks for the diversion.
Lipa has a better voice and is funnier, but this is good.
(And apparently, as I found out at a Sheva Brachot in Boro Park, Lipa's old
folks are landsmans with my old folks.)
Best,
Abe
8-28-06
R'fua Shleima for Zahava Fruma bat Miriam and the victims of Muslim terror
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> Larisa wrote:
>> kepip...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > Eliyahu wrote:
>> > > Okay, I'm just about done with making my own shofar. 42" Kudu horn,
>> > > cleaned it out, cut off the tip, formed a mouthpiece on the end. Now,
>> > > I want to polish it. How do I get the nice polished finish that I see
>> > > on the nicer store-bought shofars?
>> > >
>> > > Eliyahu <the industrious...>
>> >
>>
>> Why? Is there something wrong with wishing to make an item with one's
>> own hands, even if that item can be readily purchased from a store? I
>> don't think he needs to justify himself to anyone at all.
>
> Even in this age of mass production, there are a few of us who enjoy
> creating our own goods when possible and practical. For some, it's
> baking a cake from scratch or building a coffee table for the living
> room. For others, it's sewing a new dress, making curtains or growing
> their own vegetables.
Does growing your own beard, count?
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew University
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> "Eliyahu" <lro...@gmail.com> writes:
>> Even in this age of mass production, there are a few of us who enjoy
>> creating our own goods when possible and practical. For some, it's
>> baking a cake from scratch or building a coffee table for the living
>> room. For others, it's sewing a new dress, making curtains or growing
>> their own vegetables. A side benefit to it is that it makes us less
>> fearful of a breakdown in society or in the distribution system for
>> consumer goods. Despite the stereotype of American Jews being
>> mechanically inept, I've always enjoyed building and making things
>> myself.
>
> Inept ? You want:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4324703412673021665
ROTFLOL! Josh, where do you _find_ these things? And who puts them
out? There were _many_ actors in that video.
> Enjoy :-)
I surely did, thanks.
Josh Rosen
This isn't the best group to ask this question. If I were you I post the
question to a rec.crafts. newsgroup, maybe rec.crafts.jewelry or
rec.crafts.misc.
Shmaryahu b. Chanoch <Omega.d21@gmail.com>
"Tim Meushaw" <meu...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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: >: > news:1156368837.7...@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
I guess that I am used to the over educated, don't get your hands dirty, Jewish
community that we have a long the North Shore of Chicago. Frankly I am
surprised to find any Jew who knows how work with his hands.
As to horn vs. other material, I guess I am more adventurous. I would have just
tried a very light grit or fine polishing wheel. But then I tend to adapt
techniques and tools all the time. I like that level of experimentation and
creativity.
Shmaryahu b. Chanoch <Omega.d21@gmail.com>
"Larisa" <purple...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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:
I once asked why we no longer have Jewish working class folks in the US. Some
wit here posted that Jews finally figured out that it was better to let the
goyim do all the work.
I guess that I am surprised to find, in this day of everyone with a masters
degree (and an avoidance of getting one's hands dirty), that we have any Jews
interested in craftsmanship and hand work.
Tim Meushaw
That's what makes SCJM nice; there's a broad range of people here.
Personally, I'd do more with my hands if I didn't ruin most of what I
touched. I've made a few clocks that have come out well, though.
> As to horn vs. other material, I guess I am more adventurous. I would have just
> tried a very light grit or fine polishing wheel. But then I tend to adapt
> techniques and tools all the time. I like that level of experimentation and
> creativity.
We don't know how much he paid for the raw horn to say if he should be
experimenting on it.... :-)
cycjec
> Lapidary equipment would be singularly unsuited for polishing organic
> materials like horn. The grits are far to fine and would take months to
> do the job.
Several of the regulars on news:rec.crafts.jewelry
seem to be very helpful. Jewelers polish many materials,
including horn. It's not the commonest material but
I've seen it.
I'm recalling a little rotating drum a friend had
the would polish toy railroad trim. That would be
much to small, but the principle would seem to apply,
except you would need a big rotating tub with
grit in it. How you would make that I'm not sure.
Ken Bloom
wrote:
You've gotta be kidding me (particularly in Chicago). Most of my shul is
contractors, and I know a whole bunch of other frum handymen,
electricians, etc...
--Ken
--
Ken Bloom. PhD candidate. Linguistic Cognition Laboratory.
Department of Computer Science. Illinois Institute of Technology.
http://www.iit.edu/~kbloom1/
Larisa
> wit here posted that Jews finally figured out that it was better to let the
> goyim do all the work.
>
> I guess that I am surprised to find, in this day of everyone with a masters
> degree (and an avoidance of getting one's hands dirty), that we have any Jews
> interested in craftsmanship and hand work.
Oh? I'm surprised there is such a stereotype. My father remodeled an
entire house on his own - new floors, new moldings, built-in
bookshelves, tile, everything. I've been helping him with carpentry
and home repair projects ever since I was a little child. The first
real estate I ever bought was a "fixer-upper" - and that's a euphemism.
I did all the work on it myself (with a bit of help from friends).
And I've got a master's degree and my father has a Ph.D.
Incidentally, I can also do basic machine-shop metal work - that was
part of the mechanical engineering degree. I got the highest grade in
my machine shop class.
LM
Shmaryahu b. Chanoch
Actually that is very encouraging. I am so used to every not knowing
how to do anything practical. Now that we have all these shows about
remodeling homes and such, I would expect to see more interest.
I have lived around too many college professors who have "Attitudes"
about the working class. I do think that too many in the US have
forgotten the pride of craft work (as in labor trades).
Shmaryahu b. Chanoch
Ken, you once said which House of Prayer you attended. Your
congregation is more downtown, isn't it?
I would agree with you that we would see more Sephardic individuals who
have training in the crafts. Much of that is not present as you go up
the North Shore, however.
Shlomo Argamon
Shmaryahu b. Chanoch wrote:
>
> I have lived around too many college professors who have "Attitudes"
> about the working class. I do think that too many in the US have
> forgotten the pride of craft work (as in labor trades).
And then there are those who have "Attitudes" about college
professors... some of us actually can do basic home improvements and
such, you know...
-Shlomo-
Ken Bloom
Nope. It's Rabbi Raccah's shul. You never told me where you are, except
that you go to sephardic shuls. I'd like to meet you sometime if I can.
--Ken
> I would agree with you that we would see more Sephardic individuals who
> have training in the crafts. Much of that is not present as you go up
> the North Shore, however.
--
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
I'm even capable of replacing a burnt out light bulb :-) Seriously,
yours truly actually assembled a wooden credenza (from a kit) where
the TV and VCR lie proudly in state.
Josh
> -Shlomo-
>
okarmor...@gmail.com
> Okay, I'm just about done with making my own shofar. 42" Kudu horn,
> cleaned it out, cut off the tip, formed a mouthpiece on the end. Now,
> I want to polish it. How do I get the nice polished finish that I see
> on the nicer store-bought shofars?
>
> Eliyahu <the industrious...>
mm
one.
Eliyahu has only posted a couple times in the last few years and is
probably not reading. Maybe someone else here is into this.
Groups.google hides most of one's email address, as does yahoo groups
and who knows what else. . If you really want to discuss this with him,
you can join the big boys, get a news reader (some of which are free),
subscribe to a news server (some of which are free or cheap) and search
for the post you are replying to now, or some other post by him, which
will probably include his actual email address. Then you can write him.
Different servers have different retention times, but I think he's
posted in the last two years and they probably all go back that far.
Eternal-September goes back to the end of 2010 for this group. (Some
posters do not include a valid email address, others use their own email
address, and many modify their email address so that addressbots will
not get their actual address, but humans can figure out what their
address is, sometimes with the help of instructions in the post. )
Before anyone gets quizzical, people should know that there are people,
all or almost all who post via gmail, who read google.groups and find
old posts and reply to them. In other groups I read, this is met with
frequent ridicule and even hostility, but I'm sure we can do better than
that.
I presume instead of reading current posts, they search for topics they
are particularly interested in, And clearly that's true here, since the
poster has worked with cow and kudo horns.
--
Meir