Pupa Hasidim
Burghardt P. Kiy
example, what are some minhagim that are genuinely Pupa? How does one live
like a Pupa? Do Pupas only wear Satmar-style hats or do some also wear
fur-covered hats like Bobov?
Thank you very much.
Yehoshua Kiy
Detroit, MI
R
>
> Hello. Does anyone have any information about the Pupa Chasidim? For
> example, what are some minhagim that are genuinely Pupa? How does one live
> like a Pupa? Do Pupas only wear Satmar-style hats or do some also wear
> fur-covered hats like Bobov?
Pupa are an intermediate stage between larvae and mature insects.
Typicall, the pupum is surrounded, either individually or in
small or large groups, by some sort of cocoon.
Polar
Er... pupa, pupae...(or pupas in English)
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<rut...@concentric.net> posted:
>"Burghardt P. Kiy" wrote:
>>
>> Hello. Does anyone have any information about the Pupa Chasidim? For
>> example, what are some minhagim that are genuinely Pupa? How does one live
>> like a Pupa? Do Pupas only wear Satmar-style hats or do some also wear
>> fur-covered hats like Bobov?
>
>Pupa are an intermediate stage between larvae and mature insects.
>Typicall, the pupum is surrounded, either individually or in
>small or large groups, by some sort of cocoon.
But what kind of hats do they wear?
mei...@QQQerols.com
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R
Silk. The larvae spin silk threads that are then woven into
cocoons worn by the pupae.
Polar
This was a consequence of the depletion of beaver pelts
by the voyageurs and other 17th & 18th Century fur
traders in the New World.
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Polar
They had to go to silk after the beavers were over-hunted by the
Noach
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> They had to go to silk after the beavers were over-hunted by the
> voyageurs and other 17th & 18th Century fur traders in the New World.
Silk is a wonderful fiber. The satin Shabbos and Yom Tov coats worn by
Chasidim known as bekishes used to be made from silk. I think that few , if
any, still are today because of how much more inexpensive and durable
polyster is. The problem, of course, is that polyester doesn't breathe and I
can't understand how people tolerate wearing polyester bekishes in hot
weather or while dancing such as on Simchas Torah, at weddings, etc.
On a different note, silk undergarments have been popular for quite some
time now as being a comfortable lightweight, breathable, wicking base-layer.
Having said that I wonder about the propriety, from a Jewish perspective, of
men wearing such undergarments. It is stated in Shulchan Oruch that a man
is forbidden to ride an animal without a saddle, so would it be so
far-fetched to think that there are references to silk underwear as well?
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Moshe Shulman
>"Burghardt P. Kiy" wrote:
>> Hello. Does anyone have any information about the Pupa Chasidim? For
>> example, what are some minhagim that are genuinely Pupa? How does one live
>> like a Pupa? Do Pupas only wear Satmar-style hats or do some also wear
>> fur-covered hats like Bobov?
>Pupa are an intermediate stage between larvae and mature insects.
>Typicall, the pupum is surrounded, either individually or in
>small or large groups, by some sort of cocoon.
Not nice.
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R
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> On 12 Nov 2000 18:35:45 GMT, R <rut...@concentric.net> wrote:
> >"Burghardt P. Kiy" wrote:
> >> Hello. Does anyone have any information about the Pupa Chasidim? For
> >> example, what are some minhagim that are genuinely Pupa? How does one live
> >> like a Pupa? Do Pupas only wear Satmar-style hats or do some also wear
> >> fur-covered hats like Bobov?
> >Pupa are an intermediate stage between larvae and mature insects.
> >Typicall, the pupum is surrounded, either individually or in
> >small or large groups, by some sort of cocoon.
>
> Not nice.
Not nice? Reb Moshe, the first thing I suggest you do is look up
pupa in the dictionary. Then, try smiling a little. It won't hurt
you, and might actually do you some good. You have spent far too
much time in scj and other forums recently, arguing with David
Goldman.
abe kohen
"R" <rut...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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And he claims to be a Lubovitcher!
Abe
Jonathan J. Baker
>> Hello. Does anyone have any information about the Pupa Chasidim? For
>> example, what are some minhagim that are genuinely Pupa? How does one live
>> like a Pupa? Do Pupas only wear Satmar-style hats or do some also wear
>> fur-covered hats like Bobov?
>Pupa are an intermediate stage between larvae and mature insects.
>Typicall, the pupum is surrounded, either individually or in
>small or large groups, by some sort of cocoon.
Actually, I thought "pupa" was singular, "pupae" plural?
They seem to have a lot of trouble with fires (l"a).
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>R wrote:
>> Moshe Shulman wrote:
[what is special about chassidus Pupa...homonymic immature insect forms...]
>> > Not nice.
>> Not nice? Reb Moshe, the first thing I suggest you do is look up
>> pupa in the dictionary. Then, try smiling a little. It won't hurt
>> you, and might actually do you some good. You have spent far too
>> much time in scj and other forums recently, arguing with David
>> Goldman.
>And he claims to be a Lubovitcher!
What's that supposed to mean? L. and Satmar are the legendary enemies
(at least in Brooklyn). 1) I haven't heard of any incidents in 20+
years. 2) Just because L has an issue with S, doesn't mean that they
have an issue with other Hungarian groups, or other chassiduyos in
general, aside from their natural sense that theirs is the "beste"
chassidus.
Plenty of L's have a sense of humor.
Moshe Shulman
From you I expect more. The person asked a serious question. I wrote him
private since I could provide for him the information.
Sheldon Ackerman
>
>On a different note, silk undergarments have been popular for quite some
>time now as being a comfortable lightweight, breathable, wicking base-layer.
>Having said that I wonder about the propriety, from a Jewish perspective, of
>men wearing such undergarments. It is stated in Shulchan Oruch that a man
>is forbidden to ride an animal without a saddle, so would it be so
>far-fetched to think that there are references to silk underwear as well?
>
>
forbidden to ride an animal without a saddle?
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
Shulchan Aruch EVEN HA'EZER 23:6
Josh
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
You can depend on Josh to give you Chapter&Verse of Shulchan Aruch.
Thanks.
Moshe Schorr
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Sheldon Ackerman
>>>
>>>
>> Can you tell me where exactly the Shulchan Oruch states that a MAN is
>> forbidden to ride an animal without a saddle?
>
>
>Shulchan Aruch EVEN HA'EZER 23:6
>
As I emailed you, thanks for the response.
abe kohen
"Jonathan J. Baker" <jjb...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> In <m> "abe kohen" <abek...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >R wrote:
> >> Moshe Shulman wrote:
>
> [what is special about chassidus Pupa...homonymic immature insect forms...]
>
> >> > Not nice.
>
> >> Not nice? Reb Moshe, the first thing I suggest you do is look up
> >> pupa in the dictionary. Then, try smiling a little. It won't hurt
> >> you, and might actually do you some good. You have spent far too
> >> much time in scj and other forums recently, arguing with David
> >> Goldman.
>
> >And he claims to be a Lubovitcher!
>
> What's that supposed to mean? L. and Satmar are the legendary enemies
> (at least in Brooklyn). 1) I haven't heard of any incidents in 20+
> years. 2) Just because L has an issue with S, doesn't mean that they
> have an issue with other Hungarian groups, or other chassiduyos in
> general, aside from their natural sense that theirs is the "beste"
> chassidus.
>
> Plenty of L's have a sense of humor.
Oh it was humorous, not sarcastic? My bad.
Abe
R
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> "Jonathan J. Baker" <jjb...@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:8unov2$t4f$1...@panix6.panix.com...
> > In <m> "abe kohen" <abek...@hotmail.com> writes:
> > >R wrote:
> > >> Moshe Shulman wrote:
> >
> > [what is special about chassidus Pupa...homonymic immature insect forms...]
> >
> > >> > Not nice.
> >
> > >> Not nice? Reb Moshe, the first thing I suggest you do is look up
> > >> pupa in the dictionary. Then, try smiling a little. It won't hurt
> > >> you, and might actually do you some good. You have spent far too
> > >> much time in scj and other forums recently, arguing with David
> > >> Goldman.
> >
> > >And he claims to be a Lubovitcher!
> >
> > What's that supposed to mean? L. and Satmar are the legendary enemies
> > (at least in Brooklyn). 1) I haven't heard of any incidents in 20+
> > years. 2) Just because L has an issue with S, doesn't mean that they
> > have an issue with other Hungarian groups, or other chassiduyos in
> > general, aside from their natural sense that theirs is the "beste"
> > chassidus.
> >
> > Plenty of L's have a sense of humor.
>
> Oh it was humorous, not sarcastic? My bad.
My whole purpose here was to take a topic that I considered to be
ridiculous and try at least to salvage some humor out of it.
Unfortunately, some people simply have no sense of humor.
As for my reply to Moshe Schullman: I will stipulate that we
differ strongly in our views of certain subjects (though we
probably see pretty much eye-to-eye on most things). I would
certainly consider us friends of sorts. But his sense of humor
could use some work, and that's all I meant to say to him.
Noach
> My whole purpose here was to take a topic that I considered to be
> ridiculous and try at least to salvage some humor out of it.
> Unfortunately, some people simply have no sense of humor.
??!!! What is ridiculous about an inquiry about Pupa Chasidim?
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Also thank you for the garment material suggestions and the history of beavers :)
much appreciated,
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> Hello. Does anyone have any information about the Pupa Chasidim? For
> example, what are some minhagim that are genuinely Pupa? How does one live
> like a Pupa? Do Pupas only wear Satmar-style hats or do some also wear
> fur-covered hats like Bobov?
>
>
> Yehoshua Kiy
> Detroit, MI
- Kurt Moskovitz
mm
group anymore, but one big advantage of newsgrroups over furshluggener
web lists is that it's likely the post you replied probably had an
email address with it, probably a valid one**, and there's a good
chance the email address is still good today. (I still use every
email address I've used in the last 20 years.)
**Some of them require repair, like removing the word NOSPAM.
So email him and maybe you can get him to post his reply back here,
too. I'd be very interested.
If his email address doesn't work, try Switchboard.com or 411.com.
He has an unusual name, and if you find him, it's probably he.
Are you anywhere near NYC. I understand the Pupa live in
Williamsburg and Borough Park, Brooklyn. If you could go there, I
think it would be easy to find someone to talk to you about this, and
answer your questions.
And I see that Arugas HaBosem was a book of responsa by Rabbi Moshe
Greenwald, the first Puppa rebbe iiuc. And since there is a shul in
Baltimore named Arugas HaBosem (which built a new building a few years
ago, a mitzvah hall), I looked that up and found that Rabbi Amram
Taub, described by Wikip as a scion of the Puppa dynasty, was its
rabbi for 50 years until he died in 2007. His son, Rabbi Shaya Taub,
is the rabbi now.
So if you could come to Baltimore, here too you could learn directly
from a Puppa Jew.
But if you can't come, I'd suggest you call, either Brooklyn or
Baltimore, and find some time when someone can give you time for your
questions. Really, that's probably going to give better
information than whatever the guy from Detroit would have, since he
was asking fairly elementary questions. Unless perhaps he's joined
Puppa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Greenwald
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khust in the Ukraine, but less than 20
miles from Romania and Hungary, less than 60 from Slovakia and Poland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_Arugas_Habosem,_Baltimore
http://www.jewishinbaltimore.com/Arugas-Habosem-Congregation.html
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Rebbe Yosef Greenwald
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Pupa Rebbe
d. 13 Av, 1984
Rebbe Yosef Greenwald, author of Vayechi Yosef and Veyaan Yosef,
achieved world recognition as a young man, prior to WW II, as the head
of a large yeshiva in the city of Satmar. When his father, Rebbe
Yaakov Yechezkiya Greenwald, (1882-1941) the author of Vayaged Yaakov,
passed away, the Rebbe was?chosen to succeed him. Rebbe Yaakov
Yechezkiya was a son of Rebbe Moshe Greenwald, (1853-1911), the
Chuster Rav and author of Arugas Habosem. The Rebbe and his yeshiva
relocated to the city of Pupa.
During the Holocaust, his wife and nine children were murdered and the
Jewish community of Pupa was destroyed. After WW II, he remarried and
began restoring the glory of Pupa.
In the post Holocaust years, the Rebbe provided lodging and meals for
hundreds of young men and reestablished his yeshiva. As both father
and mother, the Pupa Rav arranged sustenance and marriages for his
orphaned students.
In 1950 the Rebbe settled in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn and
began his congregation and yeshiva anew.
You should read the comments too, which are beautiful and have one
small correction.
Kever means tomb or grave. The Pupa Yeshiva is near his kever in
Westchester County (NY) so when the yeshiva is in session, there are
probably people knowledgable about Pupa there also.
http://koshertravelinfo.com/listings/pupa-yeshiva-kehilath-yakov-rabbinical-seminary/
P&M
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