Auto-immune Illness in Ashkenazi Jews -
Dvora L
She cited a study of cluster groups (such as Ashkenazi jews) where this
type of ilness is more prevelant .
I was initially diagnosed as being ill in Israel - in only 3days --
after yrs in the US of "mystey symptoms"
My Dr said in Israel there was such a huge migration of like ancestry
population that they were more familiar -
SO -- I was wondering if in a group this large - there are others who -
they themselves or members of their families have an auto-immune illness
?
******
Be safe and well :-) .... DVORA
chsw...@gmail.com
As long time readers of the group will recall, my wife has MS. I have
arthritis, as well as allergies to anything that spews pollen.
chsw
jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk
arthritis is not to do with the immune system.
allergies , like to pollen, I doubt that is what was meant. Lots of
people have hayfever.
MS, doesn`t that come from working too hard?
There are some ashkenazi illnesses I have heard of, but I don`t think
they are that common... Certainly not the ones you mention. If it was
the case, then many more kids would be off school.
I have heard that breast cancer is more prevalent amongst ashkenazi
women than the general population.
By the way. From what I last read. Jews live longer than gentiles..
I would expect people with health disorders or some aversion to
reality, to spend time posting here anyway.
Eliyahu
<jameshanle...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 7 Feb, 18:05, chsw10...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 11:40 am, Dvora1...@webtv.net (Dvora L) wrote:
>
> > > Another member here - Adelle - and I both have auto-immune illnesses --
> > > She cited a study of cluster groups (such as Ashkenazi jews) where this
> > > type of ilness is more prevelant .
>
> > > I was initially diagnosed as being ill in Israel - in only 3days --
> > > after yrs in the US of "mystey symptoms"
>
> > > My Dr said in Israel there was such a huge migration of like ancestry
> > > population that they were more familiar -
>
> > > SO -- I was wondering if in a group this large - there are others who -
> > > they themselves or members of their families have an auto-immune illness
> > > ?
>
> > > ******
> > > Be safe and well :-) .... DVORA
>
> > As long time readers of the group will recall, my wife has MS. I have
> > arthritis, as well as allergies to anything that spews pollen.
>
> > chsw-
>
> arthritis is not to do with the immune system.
IIRC, rheumatoid arthritis does.
>
> allergies , like to pollen, I doubt that is what was meant. Lots of
> people have hayfever.
>
> MS, doesn`t that come from working too hard?
No. The symptoms can be exacerbated by physical stress, but no one
knows what causes it.
>
> I would expect people with health disorders or some aversion to
> reality, to spend time posting here anyway.
Speak for yourself.
Eliyahu
yaco...@aol.com
> She cited a study of cluster groups (such as Ashkenazi jews) where this
> type of ilness is more prevelant .
Really. Auto-immune in general is more prevalent amongst Ashkenazi
Jews?
Any studies you know of that explain/explore that?
Is there a genetic factor?
Is the prevalence ratio of men/women equal to that of the general
population? (it's about 8:1 females predominating).
I never heard this before.
Thanks,
Jacko
jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk
weren`t you in a wheelchair? or maybe that was somebody else.
You are certainly an old man.. You said you are the type that would go
marching past peoples` houses beating drums about an old war. Granted,
you are not so old that you can`t do that.
I was not saying that all people here have health disorders or some
aversion to reality.
But I would expect more people like that on usenet than in real life.
Eliyahu
Must have been someone else, since I'm the one who recently spent
months taking our son out running and exercising each morning to get
him ready for the Marine Corps.
>
> You are certainly an old man.. You said you are the type that would go
> marching past peoples` houses beating drums about an old war. Granted,
> you are not so old that you can`t do that.
>
And where did I say that, pray tell? I'm 59, and most men half my age
are hard pressed to keep up with me on a stroll.
Eliyahu
Dvora L
Re: Auto-immune Illness in Ashkenazi Jews -
Group: soc.culture.jewish.moderated Date: Thu, Feb 7, 2008, 9:37pm
(EST+5) From: yaco...@aol.com
Another member here - Adelle - and I both have auto-immune illnesses --
-
She cited a study of cluster groups (such as Ashkenazi jews) where this
type of ilness is more prevelant .
Really. Auto-immune in general is more prevalent amongst Ashkenazi Jews?
Any studies you know of that explain/explore that?
Is there a genetic factor?
Is the prevalence ratio of men/women equal to that of the general
population? (it's about 8:1 females predominating).
I never heard this before.
Thanks,
Jacko
I WILL TRY AND SEARCH TOMORROW _ THAN I WILL POST IF NO ONE DOES BEFORE
ME :-)
chsw...@gmail.com
Multiple Sclerosis does not come from working too hard. MS is a
rubric, a catch-all of common symptoms arising from several different
causes. It is a progressive disease which often cripples, then
suffocates. Allergies are very mild autoimmune problems. Rheumatoid
arthritis is also an autoimmune disease. Researchers still debate
whether Osteoarthritis has an autoimmune aspect. Baruch Hashem that
Israel has some of the foremost researchers in autoimmune diseases.
chsw
Dvora L
Re: Auto-immune Illness in Ashkenazi Jews -
(EST+5) From: jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk
On Feb 7, 11:40 am, Dvora1...@webtv.net (Dvora L) wrote:
Another member here - Adelle - and I both have auto-immune illnesses --
She cited a study of cluster groups (such as Ashkenazi jews) where this
type of ilness is more prevelant .
I was initially diagnosed as being ill in Israel - in only 3days --
after yrs in the US of "mystey symptoms"
My Dr said in Israel there was such a huge migration of like ancestry
population that they were more familiar -
SO -- I was wondering if in a group this large - there are others who -
they themselves or members of their families have an auto-immune illness
?
******
Be safe and well :-) .... DVORA
-
from chsw-
As long time readers of the group will recall, my wife has MS.
-
I have arthritis, as well as allergies to anything that spews pollen.
chsw-
--
from Dvora
MS is definetly an autoimmune disorder - speaking of which -- I hope she
is doing well :-)
Osteoarthritis and reumatoid arthritis are both autoimmune disorders ---
I and my daughter also have fibromyalgia which is also autoimmune ---
I am sorry you are allergic - that always feels so crummy -- I will look
and see if this is autoimmune.
--
- from james -
arthritis is not to do with the immune system.
-
-from dvora
Two types do - please see above -
-
allergies , like to pollen, I doubt that is what was meant. Lots of
people have hayfever.
-from dvora
I will look this up and respond back here -
-
MS, doesn`t that come from working too hard?
--from dvora -
Yes James - MS comes from working too hard --- since not even science
knows for sure - I like that answer :-)
-
- from james -
There are some ashkenazi illnesses I have heard of, but I don`t think
they are that common...
-
Certainly not the ones you mention. If it was the case, then many more
kids would be off school.
--from dvora
OY !
-
-from James -
I have heard that breast cancer is more prevalent amongst ashkenazi
women than the general population.
-
By the way. From what I last read. Jews live longer than gentiles..
-
I would expect people with health disorders or some aversion to reality,
to spend time posting here anyway.
-
- from James -
So what do you have James -- an aversion to reality - or a real heath
disorder ?
BTW - on the good side -- Jewish women have a lower rate of Cervical
cancer TG -
-
But I do not think cancer of any kind is an autoimmune disorder -
Micha Berger
> As long time readers of the group will recall, my wife has MS. I have
> arthritis, as well as allergies to anything that spews pollen.
Shellfish and pennicilin can put me into anaphylactic shock. Not that I
expect every allergic person to list their autoimmune problem. However,
I thought I'd post this teaser:
How does someone who has been an O Jew all his life know he has a
shellfish allergy?
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha
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mi...@aishdas.org and he wants to sleep well that night too."
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Fax: (270) 514-1507
Don Levey
> chsw...@gmail.com wrote:
>> As long time readers of the group will recall, my wife has MS. I have
>> arthritis, as well as allergies to anything that spews pollen.
>
> Shellfish and pennicilin can put me into anaphylactic shock. Not that I
> expect every allergic person to list their autoimmune problem. However,
> I thought I'd post this teaser:
>
> How does someone who has been an O Jew all his life know he has a
> shellfish allergy?
>
You're a naturally giving person.
Therefore, you'd naturally be allergic to (being) shellfish.
Seriously, though - perhaps calcium supplements? Being clawed
by a crab on the beach?
--
Don Levey If knowledge is power,
Framingham, MA and power corrupts, then...
NOTE: email server uses spam filters; mail sent to sal...@the-leveys.us
will be used to tune the blocking lists.
Art Werschulz
Dvor...@webtv.net (Dvora L) writes:
I have myasthenia gravis, which is an autoimmune disease. B"H, it's
been in remission for around twenty years.
Shabbat shalom.
--
Art Werschulz (agw STRUDEL comcast.net)
207 Stoughton Ave Cranford NJ 07016
(908) 272-1146
Adelle
<jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5ac9a38a-222f-40c3...@m34g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On 7 Feb, 18:05, chsw10...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 7, 11:40 am, Dvora1...@webtv.net (Dvora L) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Another member here - Adelle - and I both have auto-immune illnesses --
> > She cited a study of cluster groups (such as Ashkenazi jews) where this
> > type of ilness is more prevelant .
>
> > I was initially diagnosed as being ill in Israel - in only 3days --
> > after yrs in the US of "mystey symptoms"
>
> > My Dr said in Israel there was such a huge migration of like ancestry
> > population that they were more familiar -
>
> > SO -- I was wondering if in a group this large - there are others who -
> > they themselves or members of their families have an auto-immune illness
> > ?
>
> > ******
> > Be safe and well :-) .... DVORA
>
> As long time readers of the group will recall, my wife has MS. I have
> arthritis, as well as allergies to anything that spews pollen.
>
> chsw-
arthritis is not to do with the immune system.
allergies , like to pollen, I doubt that is what was meant. Lots of
people have hayfever.
MS, doesn`t that come from working too hard?
There are some ashkenazi illnesses I have heard of, but I don`t think
they are that common... Certainly not the ones you mention. If it was
the case, then many more kids would be off school.
I have heard that breast cancer is more prevalent amongst ashkenazi
women than the general population.
By the way. From what I last read. Jews live longer than gentiles..
I would expect people with health disorders or some aversion to
reality, to spend time posting here anyway.
And Adelle Responds:
Sorry, but many forms of arthritis are indeed auto-immune diseases - most
notably Rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus. In fact, there are over 100 forms of
arthritis, many of which respond to medications which reduce ones immune
response. The action is the body's immune system attacks itself, inflaming
and eventually eroding cartilage, or even organs.
Osteo-arthritis, the kind caused by simple wear and tear on the body, is not
an autoimmune disease. But it is only one of a myriad of rheumatologic
conditions.
I have RA, as did my Mom. My younger sister had the Juvenile form and is
currently in remission. We all have allergies and asthma. The study my
Rheumatologist was part of followed family clusters. While I never
participated, he did say, and other literature also stated, that auto-immune
diseases were somewhat more prevalent in the Ashkenazi population.
Interestingly, someone new from the UK just started frequenting the
arthritis ng. She is of Middle Eastern background and has an autoimmune
disease (Behcet's) that is more prevalent in Middle and Near Eastern
families. Wonder if that is true for Sephardi families as well.
Adelle
D.M. Procida
> And where did I say that, pray tell? I'm 59, and most men half my age
> are hard pressed to keep up with me on a stroll.
You should walk more slowly then.
Daniele
Dvora L
E-mail message
yaco...@aol.com
> E-mail message
>
> From: Dvora1...@webtv.net(Dvora L) Date: Thu, Feb 7, 2008, 8:40pm To:
> dvora1...@webtv.net Subject: Arch Neurol -- HLA Class II Susceptibility
> to Multiple Sclerosis Among Ashkenazi and Non-Ashkenazi Jews, May 1999,
> Kwon et al. 56 (5): 555
> ******
> Be safe and well :-) .... DVORA
> Included Page: Arch Neurol -- HLA Class II Susceptibility to Multiple
> Sclerosis Among Ashkenazi and Non-Ashkenazi Jews, May 1999, Kwon et al.
> 56 (5): 555
>
> ******
> Be safe and well :-) .... DVORA
Thank you!
There are biomarkers for many AI diseases (famous article in SA last
April or May). Perhaps Jews should have their blood assayed for them.
The markers can often predict symptoms 5-7 years ahead of time.
Synagogues and JCCs could combine blood drives with free screening for
these markers.
Jacko
Art Werschulz
mi...@aishdas.org (Micha Berger) writes:
> How does someone who has been an O Jew all his life know he has a
> shellfish allergy?
Maybe you were injected with a shellfish-based dye prior to a CAT
scan?
Dvora L
Remisson is a wondeful state of health - may it continue always - dvora
Group: soc.culture.jewish.moderated Date: Fri, Feb 8, 2008, 3:01am
(EST+5) From: a...@comcast.net (Art Werschulz)
`
I have myasthenia gravis, which is an autoimmune disease. B"H, it's been
in remission for around twenty years.
Shabbat shalom.
--
Art Werschulz (agw STRUDEL comcast.net)
207 Stoughton Ave Cranford NJ 07016
(908) 272-1146
******
Herman Rubin
>chsw
I have some arthritis, and several mild allergies.
Diseases which are not auto-immune but are hereditary
are lactose intolerance and "Syndrome X", which shows
as hypertension and Type 2 diabetes; I have all of
these, but my lactose intolerance is mild. Jews are
in the "moderately high" class in these.
--
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are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
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hru...@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
Herman Rubin
Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org> wrote:
>chsw...@gmail.com wrote:
>> As long time readers of the group will recall, my wife has MS. I have
>> arthritis, as well as allergies to anything that spews pollen.
>Shellfish and pennicilin can put me into anaphylactic shock. Not that I
>expect every allergic person to list their autoimmune problem. However,
>I thought I'd post this teaser:
>How does someone who has been an O Jew all his life know he has a
>shellfish allergy?
Skin tests are quite good for strong allergies. Also,
one can get exposed by touching; it is not forbidden.
It is also possible that shellfish can be a product in
a dish, unknown to the eater.
Also, where no other food is available, one can eat
treif. "These are my Commandments; keep them that
thou may live."
Dvora L
Re: Auto-immune Illness in Ashkenazi Jews -
(EST+5) From: yaco...@aol.com
*** You are welcome -- I found lots of great reaserch that my machine
would not let me into --
-
that is a good idea about the blood drive - but if it is done by the
redcross they can not do that ---
-
before my daughter had children - because i was already diagnosed - i
had a complete blood study done along with my regular testing -- that
way i only had to pay for the sending away of my blood and the genetic
testing ---
-
if there is a study -- you can look them up - they will send a complete
kit to your dr - he gives you a lab order - the kit -- and they take
your blood and send it off --
-
Shabbat Shalom -- :-)
Islands
My mother and I both suffer from autoimmune illnesses. There is a long
list of "Jewish diseases" in the back of Jon Entine's book (which I
posted about before after having taken the BRCA2 test)of the Ashkenazi
and the Sephardic communities but I only see a very few (mostly
exotic) autoimmune illnesses listed (Congenital myasthenia gravis is
listed as occuring primarily among Iranian Jews-not much help if
you're Ashkenazi.) Interesting comment about Israeli docs and
autoimmune illness as my endocrinologist who is a Conservative Jew and
one of the best endos in the world and who has spent much time
training physicians around the world told me that Israeli labs are
notoriously bad and that many of his patients come from Israel to see
him. He couldn't recommend a single Israeli doctor for me when I was
thinking of making aliyah. He's 84 and wrote the textbook (literally)
so I'm really surprised to hear all this.
Evertjan.
> My mother and I both suffer from autoimmune illnesses.
I am sorry to hear that.
Are the deseases the same one or different ones?
> There is a long
> list of "Jewish diseases" in the back of Jon Entine's book (which I
> posted about before after having taken the BRCA2 test)of the Ashkenazi
> and the Sephardic communities
There could be, but that in itelf does not prove the list is right.
> but I only see a very few (mostly exotic) autoimmune illnesses
How do you mean "exotic"? That they are not particularly increased among
Jewish families?
> listed (Congenital myasthenia gravis is
> listed as occuring primarily among Iranian Jews-not much help if
> you're Ashkenazi.)
That would certainly help as it would point out to you that you as an
Ashkenaz are not at hightened risk.
I am confident, both because of lack of any data to the contrary, and
general knowledge about the spread of hereditary deseases, that Ashkenazi
or other Jews are not more at risk for hereditary illnesses in general,
only that certain of the illnesses are interestingly more common among
such close knit communities. This is quite comon among such communities,
nothing special in the Jewish case.
> Interesting comment about Israeli docs and
> autoimmune illness as my endocrinologist who is a Conservative Jew and
> one of the best endos in the world
An "endo"? Could be an endoscopist?
How would you know he is one of the best?
Did he take a test, or did he tell you himself?
> and who has spent much time
> training physicians around the world told me that Israeli labs are
> notoriously bad and that many of his patients come from Israel to see
> him. He couldn't recommend a single Israeli doctor for me when I was
> thinking of making aliyah. He's 84 and wrote the textbook (literally)
> so I'm really surprised to hear all this.
"THE textbook"? There are so many textbooks in endocrinology.
If you trust this rathere old unnamed doctor, that is fine, there should
be trust between doctor and patient.
Is he at 84 able to read the flow of new literature about endocrinology?
How can he be able to assess the quality of all the endocriologists and
laboratories in Israel?
But exporting such unfounded trust to others in the above sense of "he is
the best" is bad medicin.
In science, also in medical science, there should not be a trust in
someone well known to say the right things, scientific distrust is the
basis of science, and the only ways to work is calculated chance and peer
review.
--
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Micha Berger
> mi...@aishdas.org (Micha Berger) writes:
>> How does someone who has been an O Jew all his life know he has a
>> shellfish allergy?
> Maybe you were injected with a shellfish-based dye prior to a CAT
> scan?
Give the man a prize. The dye is iodine based, but I don't think they use
shellfish to get the iodine. A "shellfish allergy" is really an allergy
to the iodine which is found in large quantities in shellfish. Never
had a problem with iodized salt, though.
As people who were here in 2002-2003 will recall, I am in remission
from lymphoma. Thank G-d scans are now 9 months apart, and I think at 5
years (this summer, be"H and ba"h) it gets further apart. But a CAT scan
involves my taking steroids and benadryl (both pill and IV) beforehand.
And if you want to know what davening with kavanah means... Picture
Neilah, the end of Yom Kippur, when one is reminded that one has a scan
scheduled for the next morning by having to pause to take a pill.
(kavanah: lit. aim; as in "aiming/directing one's thoughts". Proper
concentration in prayer. Intent.)
Gut Voch!
-Micha
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mi...@aishdas.org he was overcome with a spirit of foolishness.
http://www.aishdas.org Today, we don't do a mitzvah unless we receive
Fax: (270) 514-1507 a spirit of purity. - Rabbi Israel Salanter
chsw...@gmail.com
> chsw10...@gmail.com wrote:
> > As long time readers of the group will recall, my wife has MS. I have
> > arthritis, as well as allergies to anything that spews pollen.
>
> Shellfish and pennicilin can put me into anaphylactic shock. Not that I
> expect every allergic person to list their autoimmune problem. However,
> I thought I'd post this teaser:
>
> How does someone who has been an O Jew all his life know he has a
> shellfish allergy?
>
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha
>
I did not keep kosher at home until after I got married. However, one
person I know found out that she had a shellfish allergy when she went
for a scan and received iodine contrast. She was in the hospital for
two days.
chsw
Tim Meushaw
> On Feb 7, 9:39 pm, mi...@aishdas.org (Micha Berger) wrote:
>> chsw10...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > As long time readers of the group will recall, my wife has MS. I have
>> > arthritis, as well as allergies to anything that spews pollen.
>>
>> Shellfish and pennicilin can put me into anaphylactic shock. Not that I
>> expect every allergic person to list their autoimmune problem. However,
>> I thought I'd post this teaser:
>>
>> How does someone who has been an O Jew all his life know he has a
>> shellfish allergy?
>
> person I know found out that she had a shellfish allergy when she went
> for a scan and received iodine contrast. She was in the hospital for
> two days.
I wasn't there at the time, but a well-told story amongst my group of
friends goes as follows:
One of our non-Jewish friends has a bad allergy to shellfish. One
time, they went to a kosher Chinese restaurant (so a couple of the
kosher-keeping friends of mine could eat). Worried about his allergy,
and forgetting what kind of restaurant he was in, he asked the
waitress "are the eggrolls shrimp, or just pork?" The waitress was
quite confused by his question, but everyone else at the table got to
laugh at him and tease him about this until this very day.
Shavua tov,
Tim
--
Timothy A. Meushaw
meu...@pobox.com
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
>
> Shellfish and pennicilin can put me into anaphylactic shock. Not that I
> expect every allergic person to list their autoimmune problem. However,
> I thought I'd post this teaser:
>
> How does someone who has been an O Jew all his life know he has a
> shellfish allergy?
The same way you found out you have an allergy to pennicilin, you
got an injection which caused it.
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew University
jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk
I have heard of a synagogue offering testing for Tay Sachs or for
Chrons.. I cannot remember which. With a suggestion that the test be
done before marriage.
An unreliable website said this - Dr, Richard Goodman of the Hopkins
University wrote a 494 comprehensive page book titled, "Genetic
Diseases Among The Jewish People."
yaco...@aol.com
> And if you want to know what davening with kavanah means... Picture
> Neilah, the end of Yom Kippur, when one is reminded that one has a scan
> scheduled for the next morning by having to pause to take a pill.
>
> (kavanah: lit. aim; as in "aiming/directing one's thoughts". Proper
> concentration in prayer. Intent.)
> Micha Berger
In Hebrew "kavvana" actually means "direction." To direct one's
thoughts and consciousness, as in to focus or concentrate.
"aim" as in the English "objective" "desired goal" is a noun, for
which you could say "kavvan" perhaps as in Jer. 7:18; 44:19,, but
"kavana" is a gerund (shem ha'peula) in Hebrew.
Jacko
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
Eliyahu was talking about a "stroll". When he "walks", men half his
age have to _run_ to keep up! :-)
jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk
> chsw10...@gmail.com wrote:
> > As long time readers of the group will recall, my wife has MS. I have
> > arthritis, as well as allergies to anything that spews pollen.
>
> Shellfish and pennicilin can put me into anaphylactic shock. Not that I
> expect every allergic person to list their autoimmune problem. However,
> I thought I'd post this teaser:
>
> How does someone who has been an O Jew all his life know he has a
> shellfish allergy?
>
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha
allergies are an ashkenazi issue?!
lots of people have allergies. I have not noticed more prevalence
amongst jews.
in my jewish primary school, 2 people had nasal allergies.
in my jewish secondary school, 2 people had it
and at unia muslim. of indian/pakistani descent, had it.
I did notice 2 jews that had it sitting next to each other, both
leviim, descendents of the Rema. They also both had hayfever. *and
general nasal allergies* as in, allergy to dust
I have hayfever, but I have great similarity with gentiles that I have
gotten along with. A left handed maths teacher, who it just so
happens was born within a month of my date of birth, late in the month
like me. And another left handed person born in the summer. I think
it is being born in the summer that makes a big difference..A friend
was born in the summer and has hayfever. Infact, all the people I know
well, that I have asked, and have hayfever, were born in the summer. I
read about patterns on that in a newspaper. Along with some theory
that maybe the zodiac affects DNA!
Islands
> Another member here - Adelle - and I both have auto-immune illnesses --
> She cited a study of cluster groups (such as Ashkenazi jews) where this
> type of ilness is more prevelant .
>
> I was initially diagnosed as being ill in Israel - in only 3days --
> after yrs in the US of "mystey symptoms"
>
> My Dr said in Israel there was such a huge migration of like ancestry
> population that they were more familiar -
>
> SO -- I was wondering if in a group this large - there are others who -
> they themselves or members of their families have an auto-immune illness
> ?
>
> Be safe and well :-) .... DVORA
If you are interested there is an excellent website on Jewish genetic
diseases along with some recommended books: http://www.mazornet.com/genetics/index.htm
jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk
> real-not-anti-spam-addr...@apple-juice.co.uk (D.M. Procida) writes:
> > Eliyahu <lro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> And where did I say that, pray tell? I'm 59, and most men half
> >> my age are hard pressed to keep up with me on a stroll.
>
> > You should walk more slowly then.
>
> Eliyahu was talking about a "stroll". When he "walks", men half his
> age have to _run_ to keep up! :-)
>
yes old chap, he got that.
Mr Procida obviously chose a safer and more considerate option than
you.
.
Herman Rubin
jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk <jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On 8 Feb, 02:39, mi...@aishdas.org (Micha Berger) wrote:
>> chsw10...@gmail.com wrote:
..................
>allergies are an ashkenazi issue?!
>lots of people have allergies. I have not noticed more prevalence
>amongst jews.
The tendency to allergies is hereditary.
>in my jewish primary school, 2 people had nasal allergies.
>in my jewish secondary school, 2 people had it
>and at unia muslim. of indian/pakistani descent, had it.
>I did notice 2 jews that had it sitting next to each other, both
>leviim, descendents of the Rema. They also both had hayfever. *and
>general nasal allergies* as in, allergy to dust
>I have hayfever, but I have great similarity with gentiles that I have
>gotten along with. A left handed maths teacher, who it just so
>happens was born within a month of my date of birth, late in the month
>like me. And another left handed person born in the summer. I think
>it is being born in the summer that makes a big difference..A friend
>was born in the summer and has hayfever. Infact, all the people I know
>well, that I have asked, and have hayfever, were born in the summer. I
>read about patterns on that in a newspaper. Along with some theory
>that maybe the zodiac affects DNA!
I have allergies (not too bad hay fever), and so do my
children. One of my children was born in summer, but the
other and I were not. We are all right-handed.
Their can be seasonal variations, and it is not that the
time of year affects DNA.
jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk
<snip>
> > weren`t you in a wheelchair? or maybe that was somebody else.
>
> Must have been someone else, since I'm the one who recently spent
> months taking our son out running and exercising each morning to get
> him ready for the Marine Corps.
>
>
>
> > You are certainly an old man.. You said you are the type that would go
> > marching past peoples` houses beating drums about an old war. Granted,
> > you are not so old that you can`t do that.
>
> And where did I say that, pray tell? I'm 59, and most men half my age
> are hard pressed to keep up with me on a stroll.
>
I know a 70 year old man that would go on strolls and people half his
age could not keep up with him. Then he got pneumonia. Now he is in
his 90s.
You are right, 60 is not that old. But going on strolls only proves
you are beyond middle age!
thread- jewish history in gentile textbooks
http://tinyurl.com/24l4wc
qq (that`s me)
talking about old people marching past my house beating drums about
the war.
"
They should stop showing off, I don't care if they're a winner, a
loser, or a hero! I won't treat them differently
"
eliyahu
"
Showing off? It's part of the uniform, and wearing your decorations
is
not optional.
"
Ah, you said "your"
eliyahu
"
particular respect? (Hint: The first ribbon is for the National
Defense Service Medal, which just means he's been on active duty for
90 days or more. The blue one with stars is the Medal of Honor, our
highest decoration for heroism.)"
"
Ah, you seem to know all about these medals.. maybe you have one
yisroel markov
"
This is a perfect opportunity to thank you, Eliyahu, and all the
other vets on this board, for your service to us
"
Ah, you are thanked for your service, and some joe thinks you are a
(war) veteran
I guess you americans have had more wars. So war veterans are younger,
and not necessarily veterans.
The people with war medals in britain tend to be 70+, maybe 80+. (the
iraq war will be an exception, it will produce young veterans, but
they are currently still in iraq. Not parading past my door beating
drums on a sunday afternoon)
Your attitude, being an aficionado (relatively speaking) of war medals
or wars. And talking the way you talk (as quoted), and then adding
about your strolls in order to persuade the reader/listener that you
are not old. These are all signs of an old man- if not physically,
then mentally.
Dvora L
Re: Auto-immune Illness in Ashkenazi Jews -
(EST+5) From: isl...@volcanomail.com (Islands)
Another member here - Adelle - and I both have auto-immune illnesses --
She cited a study of cluster groups (such as Ashkenazi jews) where this
type of ilness is more prevelant .
from Islands *
If you are interested there is an excellent website on Jewish genetic
diseases along with some recommended books:
http://www.mazornet.com/genetics/index.htm
*
from Dvora---
Thank you Islands -- I am on a webtv - i cannot access the site -- and I
- who used to devour books - can no longer read them ---
However - I am sure there are younger people here - or that have PCs and
are able to read -- will be most grateful for this information --
*
Islands - I was going to respond when you wrote about what your DR said
-- the negetivity toward Israeli labs ---
*
I do not know if you went to Israel - o where you have lived --- and I
am not a medical professional --- BUT -- in MY experience only -- the
medical care I recieved in Israel was beyond the care I came back to in
America ---
*
It hurt my heart that a Dr would say that -- or that you also would - to
the world on the internet .
*
* I know the esteem you hold this Dr -- but I hope this did not make you
rethink coming to Israel .
*
BTW - Adelle was the one that suggested this topic to me --- ok Adelle
-- join in this thread - please :-)
Art Werschulz
mi...@aishdas.org (Micha Berger) writes:
> Art Werschulz <a...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> mi...@aishdas.org (Micha Berger) writes:
>>> How does someone who has been an O Jew all his life know he has a
>>> shellfish allergy?
>
>> Maybe you were injected with a shellfish-based dye prior to a CAT
>> scan?
>
> Give the man a prize. The dye is iodine based, but I don't think they use
> shellfish to get the iodine. A "shellfish allergy" is really an allergy
> to the iodine which is found in large quantities in shellfish. Never
> had a problem with iodized salt, though.
When I had a CAT scan prior to my thymectomy, they asked me if I was
allergic to shellfish. I figured the same thing must've happened with
you.
Dvora L
Re: Auto-immune Illness in Ashkenazi Jews -
(EST+5) From: adNOs...@SPAMcomcast.net (Adelle)
news:5ac9a38a-222f-40c3...@m34g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On 7 Feb, 18:05, chsw10...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 7, 11:40 am, Dvora1...@webtv.net (Dvora L) wrote:
Another member here - Adelle - and I both have auto-immune illnesses --
She cited a study of cluster groups (such as Ashkenazi jews) where this
type of ilness is more prevelant .
----
And Adelle Responds:
Sorry, but many forms of arthritis are indeed auto-immune diseases -
most notably Rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus. In fact, there are over 100
forms of arthritis, many of which respond to medications which reduce
ones immune response. The action is the body's immune system attacks
itself, inflaming and eventually eroding cartilage, or even organs.
Osteo-arthritis, the kind caused by simple wear and tear on the body, is
not an autoimmune disease. But it is only one of a myriad of
rheumatologic conditions.
I have RA, as did my Mom. My younger sister had the Juvenile form and is
currently in remission. We all have allergies and asthma. The study my
Rheumatologist was part of followed family clusters. While I never
participated, he did say, and other literature also stated, that
auto-immune diseases were somewhat more prevalent in the Ashkenazi
population. Interestingly, someone new from the UK just started
frequenting the arthritis ng. She is of Middle Eastern background and
has an autoimmune disease (Behcet's) that is more prevalent in Middle
and Near Eastern families. Wonder if that is true for Sephardi families
as well.
Adelle
THANKS ADELLE :-)
i GUESS i MISUNDERSTOOD ABOUT OSTEO ARTHRITIS ---
dvora
Dvora L
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Thank you for posting this.
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Nothing snipped
jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk
> In article <6b99e353-f222-47b8-a549-a209acf57...@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
i think the theory was that the zodiac affects DNA during birth.. But
it is only a wacky theory.. To explain the relationship between the
season/ months a person is born, and illnesses associated.
Here is an article on that relationship. This time suggesting that it
is the weather that affects pregnancy, and affects the illnesses
people get in later life.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-12185268-details/The+good+health+calendar/article.do
I know it is a newspaper article and not a (peer reviewed) scientific
paper in a good scientific or statistics journal.
Dvora L
Re: Auto-immune Illness in Ashkenazi Jews -
(EST+5) From: mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
Thank you for posting this.
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew
University
Nothing snipped
- MOSHE - I had these tests done because my entire birth family of 3
generation was lost in the Holocaust -- my father was too young or had
blocked out any memories --
-
So my daughter had no maternal medical history -- it would also be a
good idea for adopted children to have this testing before having
children ---
--
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> Re: Auto-immune Illness in Ashkenazi Jews -
>
> Group: soc.culture.jewish.moderated Date: Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 5:56pm
> On Feb 7, 8:40 am, Dvora1...@webtv.net (Dvora L) wrote:
> Another member here - Adelle - and I both have auto-immune illnesses --
> She cited a study of cluster groups (such as Ashkenazi jews) where this
> type of ilness is more prevelant .
> *
> from Islands *
> If you are interested there is an excellent website on Jewish genetic
> diseases along with some recommended books:
Dvora-Dr.C.got the lifetime service award from the American Thyroid
Association in 2002 so apparently his peers hold him in equal regard.
I wasn't criticizing (and if you read my infrequent posts) never do
criticize Israel. And in fact I wrote that if your experience was
different, then good. But I still think the American system is the
best in the world-look at a list of Nobel prize winners in medicine
and science for the last 50 years. Access is another story but if you
can get to it, it's the best. I'm very glad to know that Israel has
excellent medical care also-Dr. C. did say they have the best ER care
in the world and I know that their fertility treatments and research
were pioneering. The Mazor site actually has the same list as the
Entine book and all the other sites I looked at had the same list as
well and looks like you've posted the info on this thread. I do hope
you're in remission. Mine comes and goes.
Susan S
"jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk" <jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk>:
I am allergic to cats, dogs, mold, dust mites and various plants. True,
I am left-handed, but was definitely not born in the summer.
A sibling, who is also left-handed, is allergic to many things. He was
not born in the summer. My mother has allergies. She was born in the
spring.
Susan Silberstein
Eliyahu
<jameshanle...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 7 Feb, 22:36, Eliyahu <lro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > > weren`t you in a wheelchair? or maybe that was somebody else.
>
> > Must have been someone else, since I'm the one who recently spent
> > months taking our son out running and exercising each morning to get
> > him ready for the Marine Corps.
>
> > > You are certainly an old man.. You said you are the type that would go
> > > marching past peoples` houses beating drums about an old war. Granted,
> > > you are not so old that you can`t do that.
>
> > And where did I say that, pray tell? I'm 59, and most men half my age
> > are hard pressed to keep up with me on a stroll.
>
> I know a 70 year old man that would go on strolls and people half his
> age could not keep up with him. Then he got pneumonia. Now he is in
> his 90s.
> You are right, 60 is not that old. But going on strolls only proves
> you are beyond middle age!
>
No, they're a response to a complete stranger who knows virtually
nothing about me but still spouts off about me as if he did.
Eliyahu
Islands
>
> Group: soc.culture.jewish.moderated Date: Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 5:56pm
> On Feb 7, 8:40 am, Dvora1...@webtv.net (Dvora L) wrote:
> Another member here - Adelle - and I both have auto-immune illnesses --
> She cited a study of cluster groups (such as Ashkenazi jews) where this
> type of ilness is more prevelant .
> *
> from Islands *
> If you are interested there is an excellent website on Jewish genetic
> diseases along with some recommended books:
are the qualifications of my rheumy: Has written 6 medical textbooks,
15 med book chapters, published over 200 articles, is Clinical Prof.
of Med. at UCLA and has his own research center (which has rec'd 3 NIH
grants) in which he runs clinical trials. Was mentioned in Time mag
for his pioneering work in rheumatology at UCLA. He also returns
patient phone calls and emails within 3 hours and donates his care to
patients who are unable to pay. And he's Jewish ;-) so if there is a
rheumy in Israel who is equal in qualifications I can move there
without worrying........
Dvora L
the info I posted came from your link -- my SIL in Illinois printed it
on his screen and sent it back to me ad I posted it here incase anyone
else could not open it --
I know I am very sensitive about criticism about anything Israeli --
sort of like my family -- I know its not perfect - but no one else
should say that in public !
OTOH -- if I am ranting about so
mething wrong -- THan I am also right :-)
We are so lucky this is not an Israeli group -- BTW did you go to Israel
?
I have MS -- remissions are long gone -- now I am Secondary progressive
with relapse flares - --
Glad you ARE in remission -- I just loved remissions :-)
If you would like to have medical chats -- my mail address is real ---
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> - MOSHE - I had these tests done because my entire birth family of 3
> generation was lost in the Holocaust -- my father was too young or had
> blocked out any memories --
> -
> So my daughter had no maternal medical history -- it would also be a
> good idea for adopted children to have this testing before having
> children ---
Now that sounds like a _very_ good idea.
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew University
> SEE BELOW PLEASE---
jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk
Look, saying somebody is like an old man is not an insult.
People wait their whole lives to become old. It is the ultimate excuse
for lazyness. When you are supposed to do something, you can say "I`m
too old". And if it is some sport, you can say "Back in the day, I was
really good". And kids will believe that you were better than all of
them. Same with mental arithmetic.. "nowadays , what with the old
age, it is very difficult, but I used to be very good". If you have a
success with a female, you can say you are nothing compared to what
you were XXXX years ago, ... she will think you were superman. It`s
brilliant. You can turn yourself into a legend.
Furthermore, education was alot better in the old days..So you
benefited from that.
Rabbis were alot better/more scholarly too.. Somebody brags about his
rabbi. You can brag about how brilliant your rabbi from 50 years ago
was. He won`t argue.
You can talk of -masses- of experience, in anything.
And you are retired, you can do what you want. You can travel
around , telling people off (and they let you, they say "oh, he`s just
a grumpy old man", like victor meldrew, i.e. it`s just the old age,
they think they`ll be like that one day).. A shop helper is unhelpful,
you can get revenge by pretending to be a bit deaf, with a bad memory
and an inability to understand.
Don`t boast about how young you are. Boast about how old you are, and
revel in the benefits.
Giora Drachsler
news:4153e79d-9149-408a...@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
In the Hebrew I know, 'kavana" means "intention, meaning". It's from
the same root as "kivun" which is "direction".
--
Giora Drachsler
Jerusalem, Israel
Micha Berger
>>> (kavanah: lit. aim; as in "aiming/directing one's thoughts". Proper
>>> concentration in prayer. Intent.)
>> In Hebrew "kavvana" actually means "direction." To direct one's
>> thoughts and consciousness, as in to focus or concentrate.
>> "aim" as in the English "objective" "desired goal" is a noun, for
>> which you could say "kavvan" perhaps as in Jer. 7:18; 44:19,, but
>> "kavana" is a gerund (shem ha'peula) in Hebrew.
> In the Hebrew I know, 'kavana" means "intention, meaning". It's from
> the same root as "kivun" which is "direction".
Why would you assume I meant "aim" as in goal if I wrote "aiming/directing
one's thoughts"? I meant "to choose a proper direction", as in to aim
an arrow. I was dealing with a verb and translated it as such.
The verb form of direction would be to bestow a particular direction. To
"direct" doesn't have that meaning, so I chose "to aim".
I fail to see why there is a debate brewing here.
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha
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chsw...@gmail.com
> Another member here - Adelle - and I both have auto-immune illnesses --
> She cited a study of cluster groups (such as Ashkenazi jews) where this
> type of ilness is more prevelant .
>
> after yrs in the US of "mystey symptoms"
>
> My Dr said in Israel there was such a huge migration of like ancestry
> population that they were more familiar -
>
> SO -- I was wondering if in a group this large - there are others who -
> they themselves or members of their families have an auto-immune illness
> ?
>
> Be safe and well :-) .... DVORA
Just as a follow-up on some medical developments:
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/02/14/rituxan-multiple-sclerosis-and-hope-in-autoimmune-disease/
chsw