Cleaning a tallis?
Ken
it is wrinkled and musty after being packed away for quite a while.
How do I get a tallis cleaned and pressed? Is there any special care
I need to take, or any special rules to follow? Should I be looking
for a dry cleaner that specializes in this?
Thanks for any information!
Ken
Chano
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Is it silk or wool? Large or small? (if you had it as a small boy it won't
fit you now). Are the tzitzis kosher? Do you live in a Jewish neighbourhood
where there are likely to be dry-cleaners who do tallesim? Tallesim can
sometimes be successfully washed by hand in warm soapy water, or in a
washing machine. If you're thinking of wearing a tallis regularly You would
be better of buying a new one of the right size that will fit you now.
Chano
Jonathan B. Horen
1. First and foremost, get it professionally done. My 2nd wife took my lovely
wool tallit, washed it in the washing machine, and then put it into the
dryer... it emerged as a bath-mat :(
2. If you go to any small Southern town, and wear a kippa when you take your
tallit to the dry cleaners, you'll probably get it down for free, as a
"clerical" perk.
Fiona
"Jonathan B. Horen" <ho...@mail.iucc.ac.il> wrote
> Ken wrote:
> 2. If you go to any small Southern town, and wear a kippa when you take
your
> tallit to the dry cleaners, you'll probably get it down for free, as a
> "clerical" perk.
???? Southern in which country???
Ken
> fit you now). Are the tzitzis kosher? Do you live in a Jewish neighbourhood
> where there are likely to be dry-cleaners who do tallesim? Tallesim can
> sometimes be successfully washed by hand in warm soapy water, or in a
> washing machine. If you're thinking of wearing a tallis regularly You would
> be better of buying a new one of the right size that will fit you now.
>
> Chano
It's silk. What is meant by "kosher" tzitzis?
As to the size, I wanted to have my son use it when he is old enough.
Thanks,
Ken
Chano
Tzitzis (or tzitzit if you prefer) are the 8 stranded fringes at each of the
four corners of the tallis (or tallit). They consist of five knots tied in a
specific way so that 8 strands hang down. These should be made of wool (as
should the talis). They are the essentials of the tallis, as spoken to Moses
by God (Deuteronomy 15:38). If the tzitzis are not tied correctly, or made
of the correct material, they are not kosher and the tallis is invalid for
the intended purpose. There is no religious necessity to wear a talis until
one is a married man. This is a brief outline.
Chano
Creedmooronics!
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> Tzitzis (or tzitzit if you prefer) are the 8 stranded fringes at each of
the
> four corners of the tallis (or tallit). They consist of five knots tied in
a
> specific way so that 8 strands hang down. These should be made of wool (as
> should the talis). They are the essentials of the tallis, as spoken to
Moses
> by God (Deuteronomy 15:38). If the tzitzis are not tied correctly, or made
> of the correct material
Correct material? Is wool really mandated for tzitzis? I know that Creedmoor
holds by copper wire, and that Creedmoorimlach in Europe or Israel use
thicker wire so that they can plug their tzitzis into 220-240 volt outlets,
but does normative halacha really insist upon wool?
IS
Micha Berger
: There is no religious necessity to wear a talis until
: one is a married man.
There is no religious necessity to wear a tallis. Period. The mitzvah is
that if one happens to wear a four cornered garment, one must put
tzitzis on the corners.
It is customary to make a point of wearing a tallis qatan (small tallis),
the garment normally called "tzitzis", daily. But it's not even clear
that one fulfills the mitzvah of tzitzis with it.
It is also customary to wear a tallis during morning services. Sephardim
and German Jews start either when the child is educable or when he
reaches majority (age 13). Other Ashkenazim start at marriage.
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No. The tzitzis may be of the same material as the tallis. I still have a silk
tallis I wore at my barmitzvah (that was the Anglo-Jewish minhag then) and it
has silk tzitzis.
--
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>
BREWERPAUL
the criteria vary from denomination to denomination. If it's OK with your
Rabbi, get it professionally dry cleaned. Personally, I love the idea of your
son using your old tallit.
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: The tzitzis may be of the same material as the tallis. I still have a silk
: tallis I wore at my barmitzvah (that was the Anglo-Jewish minhag then) and it
: has silk tzitzis.
There is a question as to whether the lavan (lit: white) strings of
the tzitzis are supposed to be literally white, or, as implied by the
verse calling them "tzitzis haqanaf" (offshoots of the corners), the
same color as the garment.
It is therefore standard Ashkenazi and Sepharadi practice to wear white
(or at least mostly white) tallisos, so that the white strings qualify
both ways. Thereby avoiding having to take sides in the debate.
Yemenites don't worry about the debate. As is usual, for them Maimonides'
ruling is law. So, it was usual for a Teimani man to wear a shamleh of a
vibrant color with matching strings. (Shamleh -- an external four cornered
garment, not only worn for prayer. The garment itself was treated as
a secular item; often used to wrap or hold items when a third hand was
needed. See <http://www.chayas.com/sheela.htm>.)
There are Ashkenazim who apply the same logic to the choice of fabric
of the garment, and make a point of wearing a woolen one. Thereby allowing
the strings to be both wool and of the garment.
A more common reason given is the notion that the word "beged" may have
a more restricted meaning that implies it is made only out of particular
substances. For this reason, a leather tallis is problematic. However, if
one is very cautious on this point, one can't be certain whether cotton,
silk, or artificial fibers qualify -- none of them were discussed in
the chumash.
I even know one rav, of Brisker leanings, who makes a point of wearing
a woolen tallis qatan ("tzitzis" garment) on Shabbos. He has no problem
wearing tassles on a garment needlessly. However, if it is needless, and
not even decorative, then the tassles are not part of the garment and
are being carried by it on Shabbos.
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>
>> > Is it silk or wool? Large or small? (if you had it as a small
>> > a Jewish neighbourhood where there are likely to be dry-cleaners
>> > who do tallesim? Tallesim can sometimes be successfully washed
>> > by hand in warm soapy water, or in a washing machine. If you're
>> > thinking of wearing a tallis regularly You would be better
>> > of buying a new one of the right size that will fit you now.
>>
>>
>> As to the size, I wanted to have my son use it when he is old enough.
>
> four corners of the tallis (or tallit). They consist of five knots tied in a
> specific way so that 8 strands hang down. These should be made of wool (as
> should the talis). They are the essentials of the tallis, as spoken to Moses
> by God (Deuteronomy 15:38). If the tzitzis are not tied correctly, or made
> of the correct material, they are not kosher and the tallis is invalid for
> the intended purpose.
So far, so good.
> There is no religious necessity to wear a talis until one is a
> married man.
This is a matter of minhag. Some start at bar-mitzvah, some start
even earlier. My Yemenite neighbor's kids look soooo cute in their
taleisim!
> This is a brief outline.
Thanks.
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
May Eliyahu Chayim ben Sarah Henna (Eliot Shimoff) have a refuah Shlaima.
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> I even know one rav, of Brisker leanings, who makes a point of wearing
> a woolen tallis qatan ("tzitzis" garment) on Shabbos. He has no problem
> wearing tassles on a garment needlessly. However, if it is needless, and
> not even decorative, then the tassles are not part of the garment and
> are being carried by it on Shabbos.
Interesting. But I was given to understand by numerous acquaintainces
with strong Brisker leanings (including one nephew) that they NEVER
wear ANY garment with tzitzis of any kind on Shabbos, because 1) they
have no techeiless and so they are apprehensive that the tassles are
neither decorative nor mitzvative, and would constitute carrying, and
2) they are apprehensive that their garment may not possess the
required minimum dimensions, and so the same problem would ensue.
Now reason #1 is contradicted by both Rashi and Tosaphos, and reason
no 2 makes no sense at all, because rather than going without tzitzis,
they could have a garment custom made that is big enough so that it
would certainly satisfy the minimum size. Even the most extremely
fanatic of the Baltic persuasion will admit (at least I hope so) that
75 feet is more than an amah. So rather than going without tzitzis,
they could have a tallis kattan custom made that is 75 feet wide and
75 feet long beyond each edge of the neck opening. There are enough
Briskers persuadees (and other Baltic fanatics) around so that they
can collectively place a large enough order to get some manufacturer
to be willing to make Baltic taliyos ketanos.
Art Werschulz
"Jonathan B. Horen" <ho...@mail.iucc.ac.il> writes:
> 1. First and foremost, get it professionally done. My 2nd wife took
> my lovely wool tallit, washed it in the washing machine, and then
> put it into the dryer... it emerged as a bath-mat :(
>
> 2. If you go to any small Southern town, and wear a kippa when you
> take your tallit to the dry cleaners, you'll probably get it down
> for free, as a "clerical" perk.
Our local dry cleaner cleans talliyot (or tallitot or talleisim ...)
for free. In fact, just before Rosh Hashanah, our shul takes its
tallit collection to said dry cleaner, and they clean all *them* for
free.
All this reminds me of the following story (hey, I actually get the
drop on Dr. Josh for a joke):
A man drops off his tallit at the dry cleaner. When he picks it up,
he is astounded to find that he is charged $57.93 for same. He asks
why, and they tell him "Do you have any idea how long it took us to
get out all those knots?"
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back in the right spots...
Eliyahu
msymons
tallit to the dry cleaners, you'll probably get it down for free, as a
"clerical" perk.
>
> ???? Southern in which country???
I once took my tallis to the dry cleaners and was charged $50. When I
queried this, he explained: $10 for the cleaning, $40 to get all the knots
out!
Mark Symons
Melbourne, (Southern) Australia