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Cara Wagner

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Jan 26, 2004, 9:49:13 PM1/26/04
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Saw this in the Jewish food newsgroup and thought that it would also be
appropriate for scjm.

CW, on wife's computer.

"Denny" <de...@namsi.com> wrote in message
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> I just saw some baked products at Publix and it had a hecsher which I
> didn't recognize...a K surrounded by (12) tiny stars (making a "C"
> around the "K") and tiny print "Dairy" under it.
>
>
> Anyone have any info whose hechsher is that?
>
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cindys

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Jan 26, 2004, 11:52:45 PM1/26/04
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"Cara Wagner" <carawag...@att.net> wrote in message
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> Saw this in the Jewish food newsgroup and thought that it would also be
> appropriate for scjm.
>
> CW, on wife's computer.
>
> "Denny" <de...@namsi.com> wrote in message
> news:d528f7db.04012...@posting.google.com...
> > I just saw some baked products at Publix and it had a hecsher which I
> > didn't recognize...a K surrounded by (12) tiny stars (making a "C"
> > around the "K") and tiny print "Dairy" under it.
> >
> >
> > Anyone have any info whose hechsher is that?
---------
You are in luck. I have the October 2003 issue of _Kashrus Magazine_ sitting
on the chair next to me with the 2004 Kosher Supervision Guide.

The symbol you describe is "Kosher Supervision of Florida." The same agency
also uses a KSF surrounded by a rectangle with rounded corners. The
supervision is not Orthodox.
Kosher Supervision of Florida (Traditional), POB 7806, Hollywood, Florida
33081. (954) 981-6111. Rabbi Malavsky.

Best regards,

---Cindy S.

Susan Cohen

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Jan 27, 2004, 12:53:09 PM1/27/04
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"cindys" <cst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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Why do I have the feeling that "K.O.A." surrounded by an outline of the US
isn't O either....?

Susan

cindys

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Jan 27, 2004, 2:05:58 PM1/27/04
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"Susan Cohen" <fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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----------------

It is Orthodox. It was founded in 1970. Certifies 5 companies, including:
Krispy Kreme, Tasty Kake, IBC Soda, and Euromed.

"KOA" Subsidiary of Orthodox Association for Observance of Kashruth.
72 Ascension Street, Passaic, NJ 07055
(973) 777-0649; Fax (973) 777-2315
email: tpn...@juno.com
Rabbi Berel Isaacson, Rabbi Aharon Pessin, Rabbi Shlomo Isaacson, and Rabbi
Yehoshua Buxbaum.

General Disclaimer about all certifying agencies: Just because a certifying
agency is "Orthodox," doesn't necessarily mean that it is recommended by all
Orthodox rabbis. What is currently happening with the half-moon K is a
classic example. This agency is Orthodox, yet I don't know of any UO rabbi
who would recommend it at this time. Rabbi Hisiger has been working very
hard to change the situation and supposedly now 80% of the half-moon K
products are reliably supervised. Hopefully, that will change to 100% in the
not too distant future. But the point is that just because an agency labels
itself "Orthodox" doesn't mean that it is reliable. It is only as reliable
as the rabbi who is supervising it. Always CYLOR.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

Susan Cohen

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Jan 27, 2004, 5:06:31 PM1/27/04
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"cindys" <cst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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Ooo, 3 home runs!!
I was worried about it, since I'd already brought home the Tastykakes...
(I saw the hechsher & thought that perhaps they'd just changed
supervision....)

and Euromed.
>
> "KOA" Subsidiary of Orthodox Association for Observance of Kashruth.
> 72 Ascension Street, Passaic, NJ 07055
> (973) 777-0649; Fax (973) 777-2315
> email: tpn...@juno.com
> Rabbi Berel Isaacson, Rabbi Aharon Pessin, Rabbi Shlomo Isaacson, and
Rabbi
> Yehoshua Buxbaum.
>
> General Disclaimer about all certifying agencies: Just because a
certifying
> agency is "Orthodox," doesn't necessarily mean that it is recommended by
all
> Orthodox rabbis. What is currently happening with the half-moon K is a
> classic example. This agency is Orthodox, yet I don't know of any UO rabbi
> who would recommend it at this time.

I've never even seen one (yet).

Rabbi Hisiger has been working very
> hard to change the situation and supposedly now 80% of the half-moon K
> products are reliably supervised. Hopefully, that will change to 100% in
the
> not too distant future. But the point is that just because an agency
labels
> itself "Orthodox" doesn't mean that it is reliable. It is only as
reliable
> as the rabbi who is supervising it. Always CYLOR.

And thank you again for this information!

Susan

Micha Berger

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Jan 27, 2004, 5:36:01 PM1/27/04
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:53:09 +0000 (UTC), Susan Cohen <fla...@verizon.net> wrote:
: Why do I have the feeling that "K.O.A." surrounded by an outline of the US
: isn't O either....?

KOA is R' Shloime Isaacson, a neighbor of mine, a really nice guy, and
O (chassidish). He has a shteibl in his basement -- a good place to go
when running late on Friday.

I don't trust KOA, although I have eaten from the Isaacson's kitchen.
Some of the distinction is that I am more lenient when running the risk
of insulting someone. Some of it is that I'm simply inconsistent.

-mi

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Micha Berger

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Jan 27, 2004, 5:39:35 PM1/27/04
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:05:58 +0000 (UTC), cindys <cst...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
:> Why do I have the feeling that "K.O.A." surrounded by an outline of the US
:> isn't O either....?

: It is Orthodox. It was founded in 1970. Certifies 5 companies, including:


: Krispy Kreme, Tasty Kake, IBC Soda, and Euromed.

: "KOA" Subsidiary of Orthodox Association for Observance of Kashruth.
: 72 Ascension Street, Passaic, NJ 07055
: (973) 777-0649; Fax (973) 777-2315
: email: tpn...@juno.com
: Rabbi Berel Isaacson, Rabbi Aharon Pessin, Rabbi Shlomo Isaacson, and Rabbi
: Yehoshua Buxbaum.

Currently run by R' Shloime (as he pronounces it). Some of the older
rabbis got, well, older. RSI is no inexperienced child either, he has
married children and has been doing KOA for his father for decades.

BTW, note his name. Rabbi Shlomo Isaacson is one of the most prestigious
names in the rabbi business. Can you figure out why?

-mi

Steve Goldfarb

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Jan 27, 2004, 5:48:50 PM1/27/04
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In <bv6ont$oi9in$5...@ID-113975.news.uni-berlin.de> Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org> writes:

>Currently run by R' Shloime (as he pronounces it). Some of the older
>rabbis got, well, older. RSI is no inexperienced child either, he has
>married children and has been doing KOA for his father for decades.

>BTW, note his name. Rabbi Shlomo Isaacson is one of the most prestigious
>names in the rabbi business. Can you figure out why?

All I know is I lent him a couple of seforim, and they came back with all
these notes in the margins, written in some kind of crazy script.
(badump-bum)

--sg


>-mi
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YZK

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Jan 27, 2004, 6:26:42 PM1/27/04
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Micha Berger wrote:
(that K.O.A. is indeed reliable, and is currently run by R' Shlomo
Isaacson)
....


> Currently run by R' Shloime (as he pronounces it). Some of the older
> rabbis got, well, older. RSI is no inexperienced child either, he has
> married children and has been doing KOA for his father for decades.
>
> BTW, note his name. Rabbi Shlomo Isaacson is one of the most prestigious
> names in the rabbi business. Can you figure out why?
>
> -mi

RaSh"I !!! (nice!) :-)

yzk

Harry Weiss

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Jan 27, 2004, 11:38:01 PM1/27/04
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Susan Cohen <fla...@verizon.net> wrote:

I don't know about that, but I know that it is usually not accepted, but
Tasty Cakes is acceptable. ( I think that was on one of Micha's lists a
while back.)


> Susan


--
Harry J. Weiss
hjw...@panix.com

rebtsvi

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Jan 28, 2004, 2:40:06 AM1/28/04
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As my Rebbe, Rabbi Moshe Tendler said about a particular Rov,

"I would eat in his kitchen but not on a boat he supervises.

I don't doubt his ne'emanus...

I doubt his competence..."

mos...@mm.huji.ac.il

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Jan 28, 2004, 7:51:16 AM1/28/04
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Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org> writes:

snip

> BTW, note his name. Rabbi Shlomo Isaacson is one of the most
> prestigious names in the rabbi business. Can you figure out why?

LOL! It took me a few seconds and then...

Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov

bac...@vms.huji.ac.il

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Jan 28, 2004, 8:59:52 AM1/28/04
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In article <XvGRb.803$ee6...@fe2.texas.rr.com>, "Julie" <txj...@austin.rr.com> writes:
> "Susan Cohen" <fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:xqxRb.4385$p55....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>> Why do I have the feeling that "K.O.A." surrounded by an outline of the US
>> isn't O either....?
>
> It's the "Kampgrounds Of America" supervision agency indicating that
> your picnic food is kosher for consumption by Jewish bears in parks
> all across America.


I always had a suspicion that Yogi Bear was Jewish :-) :-)

Josh

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> mailto:txj...@austin.rr.com condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> -- Henry Spencer
>

Micha Berger

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Jan 28, 2004, 9:13:07 PM1/28/04
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:51:16 +0000 (UTC), mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
:> BTW, note his name. Rabbi Shlomo Isaacson is one of the most

:> prestigious names in the rabbi business. Can you figure out why?

: LOL! It took me a few seconds and then...

Now to give credit where due... Jay Lapidus once wrote to the group
quoting "Rabbi Solomon Isaacson" who he alleged was a famous C Rabbi.

-mi

mos...@mm.huji.ac.il

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Jan 29, 2004, 5:50:08 AM1/29/04
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Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org> writes:
> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
> :Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org> writes:

Why do you snip attribution lines? The way you posted, my name came
right before the question. Disconcerting to say the least.

> :> BTW, note his name. Rabbi Shlomo Isaacson is one of the most
> :> prestigious names in the rabbi business. Can you figure out why?
>
> : LOL! It took me a few seconds and then...
>
> Now to give credit where due... Jay Lapidus once wrote to the group
> quoting "Rabbi Solomon Isaacson" who he alleged was a famous C Rabbi.

I miss him.

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