Shabbat debut
Dan Kimmel
Nishmat) for the first time. It went well. The ritual director gave me a
great compliment when he jokingly said I was a good advertisement for his
work as a teacher.
One of the things I've learned in taking on more of the services (I can lead
the daily services including Hallel) is that it doesn't happen all at once,
and that the people who seem so capable at doing it had to learn it at one
time themselves. Each year I try to learn something new. The trick is once
you've learned something, you should continue to do it but also move on to
do something else.
So I encourage people to give it a try. It will increase your comfort level
with the service by giving you mastery of part of it, and be an example for
others.
As I've said before, if *I* can do this, anyone can.
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
Kol HaKavod!
> As I've said before, if *I* can do this, anyone can.
Hey, maybe we're cousins. I can't carry a tune in a bucket!
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
May Eliyahu Chayim ben Sarah Henna (Eliot Shimoff) have a refuah Shlaima.
May Mikhah Shemu'el ben Lei'ah Yesharah (Michah Berger) have 1 2!
Joel Shurkin
<f41Aa.171696$ja4.8...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Dan
Kimmel <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Well done, guy.
J
>
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cindys
"Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Yasher koach, Dan!
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
> Yesterday morning I led the "preliminary" part of the service (through
> Nishmat) for the first time. It went well. The ritual director gave me a
> great compliment when he jokingly said I was a good advertisement for his
> work as a teacher.
Nice !
BTW you can purchase all the tapes you need for preparing all the services
(including High Holidays) from Chadish Media (I think their website
is www.chadis
And to interested high school students out there (especially those
who have a good knowledge of Hebrew) you can get 36 upper level college
credits for our Jewish music exams, 24 credits for our Hebrew exams,
34 for our talmud exams, 18 for our exams in Jewish law, and 15 for Bible.
See: http://www.jewishbible.org for the regionally accredited degree from
Excelsior College www.excelsior.edu
>
> One of the things I've learned in taking on more of the services (I can lead
> the daily services including Hallel) is that it doesn't happen all at once,
> and that the people who seem so capable at doing it had to learn it at one
> time themselves. Each year I try to learn something new. The trick is once
> you've learned something, you should continue to do it but also move on to
> do something else.
>
> So I encourage people to give it a try. It will increase your comfort level
> with the service by giving you mastery of part of it, and be an example for
> others.
>
> As I've said before, if *I* can do this, anyone can.
>
Like in the classic punchline, "Practice, practice, practice !" :-)
Josh
Henry Goodman
<bac...@vms.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
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> In article <f41Aa.171696$ja4.8...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> > Yesterday morning I led the "preliminary" part of the service (through
> > Nishmat) for the first time. It went well. The ritual director gave me
a
> > great compliment when he jokingly said I was a good advertisement for
his
> > work as a teacher.
>
>
> Nice !
>
> BTW you can purchase all the tapes you need for preparing all the services
> (including High Holidays) from Chadish Media (I think their website
> is www.chadis
>
> And to interested high school students out there (especially those
> who have a good knowledge of Hebrew) you can get 36 upper level college
> credits for our Jewish music exams, 24 credits for our Hebrew exams,
> 34 for our talmud exams, 18 for our exams in Jewish law, and 15 for Bible.
>
> See: http://www.jewishbible.org for the regionally accredited degree from
> Excelsior College www.excelsior.edu
>
What are college credits? Can I have some for leining?
--
Henry Goodman
henry....@virgin.net
Susan Cohen
"Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Nishmat) for the first time. It went well.
Yasher koach!!
The ritual director gave me a
> great compliment when he jokingly said I was a good advertisement for his
> work as a teacher.
>
> One of the things I've learned in taking on more of the services (I can
lead
> the daily services including Hallel) is that it doesn't happen all at
once,
> and that the people who seem so capable at doing it had to learn it at one
> time themselves. Each year I try to learn something new. The trick is
once
> you've learned something, you should continue to do it but also move on to
> do something else.
>
> So I encourage people to give it a try. It will increase your comfort
level
> with the service by giving you mastery of part of it, and be an example
for
> others.
>
> As I've said before, if *I* can do this, anyone can.
Nicest bit of encouragement I've read in awhile - thanks for posting it!
Susan
>
Dan Kimmel
"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:f41Aa.171696$ja4.8...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> lead
> > the daily services including Hallel) is that it doesn't happen all at
> once,
> > and that the people who seem so capable at doing it had to learn it at
one
> > time themselves. Each year I try to learn something new. The trick is
> once
> > you've learned something, you should continue to do it but also move on
to
> > do something else.
> >
> > So I encourage people to give it a try. It will increase your comfort
> level
> > with the service by giving you mastery of part of it, and be an example
> for
> > others.
> >
> > As I've said before, if *I* can do this, anyone can.
>
> Nicest bit of encouragement I've read in awhile - thanks for posting it!
Well, there's a guy at the shul in his 80s who can lead all sorts of things
at various services, and always knows what's the way to do things. If he
wasn't such a sweet guy I'd find it a bit intimidating. He surprised me
when he said that he had learned it along the way as an adult, and accepted
the intellectual challenge of going on to the next thing.
Too often people refuse to even start the process for fear that it's already
too late and they'll never catch up. I post my progress to demonstrate that
it really isn't too late, and that you can take that first step.
My goal for next year (5764, that is) is to relearn the haftarah trope that
I learned and forget nearly 35 years ago. And this time I'm going to learn
the trope first, so that I can apply it to any haftarah.
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
>
>
>
>
> <bac...@vms.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
> news:bar4p0$cha$1...@falcon.steinthal.us...
>> In article <f41Aa.171696$ja4.8...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>> > Yesterday morning I led the "preliminary" part of the service (through
>> > Nishmat) for the first time. It went well. The ritual director gave me
> a
>> > great compliment when he jokingly said I was a good advertisement for
> his
>> > work as a teacher.
>>
>>
>> Nice !
>>
>> BTW you can purchase all the tapes you need for preparing all the services
>> (including High Holidays) from Chadish Media (I think their website
>> is www.chadis
>>
That should be www.chadish.com which aliases to
www.chadishmedia.com
>> And to interested high school students out there (especially those
>> who have a good knowledge of Hebrew) you can get 36 upper level college
>> credits for our Jewish music exams, 24 credits for our Hebrew exams,
>> 34 for our talmud exams, 18 for our exams in Jewish law, and 15 for Bible.
>>
>> See: http://www.jewishbible.org for the regionally accredited degree from
>> Excelsior College www.excelsior.edu
>>
>
> What are college credits? Can I have some for leining?
>
In the US university system, the requirement for a BA is 120 (or up to 128)
credits with each semester length course being 3 credits (15 hours of
class lecture per credit).
And now for the punchline: yes, you can get 4 upper level (!)_ credits
for knowing how to "leyn" (Torah reading); 4 for knowing Megillah, Eicha,
Shir haShirim, Ruth/Kohelet; 6 for Shabbat tfillah; 6 for Yom Tov tfillah;
and 16 for High Holidays. Music faculty all have PhD's in music or Jewish
music and are practicing Hazzanim.
Josh
>
> --
> Henry Goodman
> henry....@virgin.net
>
Tim Meushaw
Dan Kimmel <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>My goal for next year (5764, that is) is to relearn the haftarah trope that
>I learned and forget nearly 35 years ago. And this time I'm going to learn
>the trope first, so that I can apply it to any haftarah.
That's the way I was taught. My Hebrew is horrible, but my Haftarah
trope's pretty good. :-) My father-in-law taught me the haftarah trope
for my aufruf; that was my first one ever. I just did the haftarah
yesterday (my excuse being my wife's birthday), and I'll use my birthday
in a couple of months as my excuse for doing a third. Once I convince
my father-in-law that I've got Haftarah trope down, I hope to start
learning the others (at least normal Torah, Megillah, and Eichah; though
I don't hope to be able to lein from official scrolls for some years to
come, I'd still like to be able to do the tropes for my own benefit).
I also have a goal of being able to lead normal services, but my Hebrew
is far too slow and without comprehension for that to be likely. I try
to add more and more Hebrew to myself as time goes on, but by far most
of what I do is in English. While I haven't asked a Rabbi about it, it
somehow seems wrong to daven to myself in English while reading out loud
the appropriate portions in Hebrew in order to lead, but as you stated
so well, given enough time I'm sure I can meet those goals. :-)
Tim
--
Timothy A. Meushaw
meu...@pobox.com
Garry
Once you become accustomed to reading the haftara, reading from the
Torah becomes a lot less impossible than it looks at first. I don't
know why this is -- there is so much more to remember -- but it's
true.
On a somewhat odd tangent, IMHO the trop for eicha is the most
beautiful of all.
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In 10 years time you'll be leading Musaf on Yom Kippur.
--
Henry Goodman
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Henry Goodman
<bac...@vms.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
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Is that your system in Israel too?
I thought you were referring to credit Dan will get for his P'sukai D'zimra
before the Bet Din shel Ma'aleh (Heavenly Court) next Rosh Hashanah
--
Henry Goodman
henry....@virgin.net
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> "Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> > > happen all at once,
snip
>> My goal for next year (5764, that is) is to relearn the haftarah
>> trope that I learned and forget nearly 35 years ago. And this
>> time I'm going to learn the trope first, so that I can apply it
>> to any haftarah.
>
> In 10 years time you'll be leading Musaf on Yom Kippur.
Henry, I don't know if you're serious. But one qualification that's
needed for Musaf on Yom Kippur is _stamina_. I mean to stand on your
feet, immobile, for _hours_, while _fasting_ can't be easy.
Harry Weiss
Why not try to work on the weekday Maariv. That is relatively short, no
repetition of Amidah and usually a bit less rushed than other services.
> Tim
> --
> Timothy A. Meushaw
> meu...@pobox.com
--
Harry J. Weiss
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Dan Kimmel
"Tim Meushaw" <meus...@SPAMpobox.com> wrote in message
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> In article <LUbAa.172619$ja4.8...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> Dan Kimmel <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >My goal for next year (5764, that is) is to relearn the haftarah trope
that
> >I learned and forget nearly 35 years ago. And this time I'm going to
learn
> >the trope first, so that I can apply it to any haftarah.
>
> That's the way I was taught. My Hebrew is horrible, but my Haftarah
> trope's pretty good. :-) My father-in-law taught me the haftarah trope
> for my aufruf; that was my first one ever. I just did the haftarah
> yesterday (my excuse being my wife's birthday), and I'll use my birthday
> in a couple of months as my excuse for doing a third. Once I convince
> my father-in-law that I've got Haftarah trope down, I hope to start
> learning the others (at least normal Torah, Megillah, and Eichah; though
> I don't hope to be able to lein from official scrolls for some years to
> come, I'd still like to be able to do the tropes for my own benefit).
Looks like I have a new goal. I've been invited to be one of the readers
Eichah on Tisha b'Av.
Which means starting at square one and learning the trope and becoming
fluent in the text over the next couple of months.
Perhaps this is an illustration of the rabbinic teaching that one mitzvah
leads to another?
Unless it's an illustration of the Army teaching of never volunteering for
*anything*. :)
Art Werschulz
Garry <s...@spam.com> writes:
> On a somewhat odd tangent, IMHO the trop for eicha is the most
> beautiful of all.
On a somewhat odder tangent, I had always thought that it would make a
beautiful bagpipe lament, giving it the title "Leaving Yerushalayim".
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Art Werschulz
"Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> Looks like I have a new goal. I've been invited to be one of the readers
> Eichah on Tisha b'Av.
The good news is that it's a pretty easy trope.
Interestingly enough, I can hear a lot of similarities between Eicha
trope and Megillat Esther trope. In fact, when I first started
learning the latter, I had to work very hard to keep from slipping
into the former. This is made even trickier by the fact that several
verses in Megillat Esther are sung to Eicha trope.
> Which means starting at square one and learning the trope and becoming
> fluent in the text over the next couple of months.
The good news is that once one understands the structure of the trope
system (e.g., disjunctives and conjunctives), it becomes easier to
learn new tropes. There are several books out there that can help you
become more familiar with the grammatical niceties and suchlike.
This will become more important when you finally move on to leyning
Torah, which requires more memorization than leying haftarot and the
megillot.
As a bit of chizuk [encouragement]: the two people in our shul who do
the bulk of the Torah reading (yours truly being one of same) only
started doing so as adults (I've been leining for somewhat more than
twenty years). My only regret is that I'm pretty sure that had I
started at an earlier age, my memorization skills would've been
better.
So, keep up the good work, and yasher koach!
Harry Weiss
> "Tim Meushaw" <meus...@SPAMpobox.com> wrote in message
> news:KKicnXai8uL...@speakeasy.net...
>> In article <LUbAa.172619$ja4.8...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>> Dan Kimmel <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> >My goal for next year (5764, that is) is to relearn the haftarah trope
> that
>> >I learned and forget nearly 35 years ago. And this time I'm going to
> learn
>> >the trope first, so that I can apply it to any haftarah.
>>
>> That's the way I was taught. My Hebrew is horrible, but my Haftarah
>> trope's pretty good. :-) My father-in-law taught me the haftarah trope
>> for my aufruf; that was my first one ever. I just did the haftarah
>> yesterday (my excuse being my wife's birthday), and I'll use my birthday
>> in a couple of months as my excuse for doing a third. Once I convince
>> my father-in-law that I've got Haftarah trope down, I hope to start
>> learning the others (at least normal Torah, Megillah, and Eichah; though
>> I don't hope to be able to lein from official scrolls for some years to
>> come, I'd still like to be able to do the tropes for my own benefit).
> Looks like I have a new goal. I've been invited to be one of the readers
> Eichah on Tisha b'Av.
Best of luck.
> Which means starting at square one and learning the trope and becoming
> fluent in the text over the next couple of months.
One advantage is that the trop is quite repetative in most sections.
> Perhaps this is an illustration of the rabbinic teaching that one mitzvah
> leads to another?
> Unless it's an illustration of the Army teaching of never volunteering for
> *anything*. :)
Dan Kimmel
"Art Werschulz" <a...@cs.columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:ylasmr1...@smolyak.cs.columbia.edu...
> Hi.
>
> "Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
> > Looks like I have a new goal. I've been invited to be one of the
readers
> > Eichah on Tisha b'Av.
>
> The good news is that it's a pretty easy trope.
>
> Interestingly enough, I can hear a lot of similarities between Eicha
> trope and Megillat Esther trope. In fact, when I first started
> learning the latter, I had to work very hard to keep from slipping
> into the former. This is made even trickier by the fact that several
> verses in Megillat Esther are sung to Eicha trope.
>
> > Which means starting at square one and learning the trope and becoming
> > fluent in the text over the next couple of months.
>
> The good news is that once one understands the structure of the trope
> system (e.g., disjunctives and conjunctives), it becomes easier to
> learn new tropes. There are several books out there that can help you
> become more familiar with the grammatical niceties and suchlike.
> This will become more important when you finally move on to leyning
> Torah, which requires more memorization than leying haftarot and the
> megillot.
I've got a very good teacher. And the neat thing is that he's the same guy
who'll help my daughter prepare for her bat mitzvah six years from now.
> As a bit of chizuk [encouragement]: the two people in our shul who do
> the bulk of the Torah reading (yours truly being one of same) only
> started doing so as adults (I've been leining for somewhat more than
> twenty years). My only regret is that I'm pretty sure that had I
> started at an earlier age, my memorization skills would've been
> better.
>
> So, keep up the good work, and yasher koach!
Thanks. Learning to lein Torah is on the road map, you should excuse the
expression, but probably not for another year or so.
Micha Berger
: "Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
:> Looks like I have a new goal. I've been invited to be one of the readers
:> Eichah on Tisha b'Av.
: The good news is that it's a pretty easy trope.
The really good news is they plan on cancelling 9 be'Av before this year's!
-mi
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
No.
>
> I thought you were referring to credit Dan will get for his P'sukai D'zimra
> before the Bet Din shel Ma'aleh (Heavenly Court) next Rosh Hashanah
ROTFL :-)
I realize British English is not American English but let's not go
overboard.
On the other hand, I see British universities giving out majors in fields
such as "Playstation" computer programing (Sheffield Hallam U) and
"Bar-B'Q Studies" (Birmingham Food College). I guess I would have
failed the last major: I never "fan" the fire fast enough :-)
Henry Goodman
<mos...@mm.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
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> "Henry Goodman" <henry....@virgin.net> writes:
> > "Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> >> "Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
> >> > "Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> >
> >> > > One of the things I've learned in taking on more of the services
> >> > > (I can leadthe daily services including Hallel) is that it doesn't
> >> > > happen all at once,
>
> snip
>
> >> My goal for next year (5764, that is) is to relearn the haftarah
> >> trope that I learned and forget nearly 35 years ago. And this
> >> time I'm going to learn the trope first, so that I can apply it
> >> to any haftarah.
> >
> > In 10 years time you'll be leading Musaf on Yom Kippur.
>
> Henry, I don't know if you're serious. But one qualification that's
> needed for Musaf on Yom Kippur is _stamina_. I mean to stand on your
> feet, immobile, for _hours_, while _fasting_ can't be easy.
>
I know: I did it once.
Why do you think Dan doesn't have the stamina?
--
Henry Goodman
henry....@virgin.net
Henry Goodman
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You are pointing out a major problem with the education policy of the
present, New Labour, government.
The policy is to extend University education to 50% of the population. To do
this all sorts of polytechnics and other second class establishments have
been turned into Universities; the 2 you mention are good examples. These
Mickey Mouse Universities provide degrees in Mickey Mouse subjects, thus
devaluing the whole concept of University education. the truth is that
nothing like 50% of the population are suitable candidates for University
education.
--
Henry Goodman
henry....@virgin.net
who has a first class degree in Maths from Cambridge.
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
Don't laugh; it may happen if my engineer in Toronto gets his act together:
There are different shitot on the gemara in Rosh Hashana 18b:
RASHI: defines "she'yesh shalom" as even when the bet hamikdash isn't built
if the hand of the goyim is not *tekefa* (held) over Israel, then the taaniyot
are days of rejoicing (sasson v'simcha) [but there is no *active* celebration].
By definition: if the bet hamikdash *is* built, even if the goyim have rule
over Israel, these fast days are days of simcha.
RABBENU CHANNANEL: all the tzomot are a zecher of the bet hamikdash. Thus in
time of peace (e.g. bet hamikdash is built), these fast days become days of
simcha. There is only a chovat tzom when there is a gezera (goyim rule). The
middle path: no bet hamikdash but no gezera: it's up to the decision of the
people as a whole.
RAMBAN: shalom = bet hamikdash is built and thus fast days become days of
simcha; no shalom but no days of gezera (rule of goyim over Israel): "ratzu
rov yisrael v'nismichu shelo l'hitanot EIN MATRICHIM ALEYHEM L'HITANOT".
RABBENU TAM: if there is no gezera against the Jews anywhere, the period is
NOT considered one that there is a chovat tzom.
RAMBAM (Peyrush Hamishnayot Rosh Hashana 1:3): if yad ha'umot eino tekefa,
this is equivalent to shalom and thus the tzomot are yemei simcha; if there
is any gezera against Jews anywhere in the world, the tzomot revert back to
the will of the people.
RITVA: if there is no gezera, the people can abolish "rechitza, sika, u'neilat
ha'sandal" but not "achila". Thus so long as the bet hamikdash isn't rebuilt
we have to fast.
Josh
>
> -mi
Dan Kimmel
"Henry Goodman" <henry....@virgin.net> wrote in message
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I do the standing. And the fasting.
I'm *not* offering to lead services at that point. :)
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> <mos...@mm.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
>> "Henry Goodman" <henry....@virgin.net> writes:
>> > "Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
snip
>> >> My goal for next year (5764, that is) is to relearn the haftarah
>> >> trope that I learned and forget nearly 35 years ago. And this
>> >> time I'm going to learn the trope first, so that I can apply it
>> >> to any haftarah.
>> >
>> > In 10 years time you'll be leading Musaf on Yom Kippur.
>>
>> Henry, I don't know if you're serious. But one qualification that's
>> needed for Musaf on Yom Kippur is _stamina_. I mean to stand on your
>> feet, immobile, for _hours_, while _fasting_ can't be easy.
>
> I know: I did it once.
> Why do you think Dan doesn't have the stamina?
I didn't say he doesn't. I merely pointed out, that a good voice and
knowlege of the melodies is not enough.
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> "Henry Goodman" <henry....@virgin.net> wrote in message
>> > "Henry Goodman" <henry....@virgin.net> writes:
>> > > "Dan Kimmel" <dan.k...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
snip
>> > >> My goal for next year (5764, that is) is to relearn the haftarah
>> > >> trope that I learned and forget nearly 35 years ago. And this
>> > >> time I'm going to learn the trope first, so that I can apply it
>> > >> to any haftarah.
>> > >
>> > > In 10 years time you'll be leading Musaf on Yom Kippur.
>> >
>> > Henry, I don't know if you're serious. But one qualification that's
>> > needed for Musaf on Yom Kippur is _stamina_. I mean to stand on your
>> > feet, immobile, for _hours_, while _fasting_ can't be easy.
>>
>> I know: I did it once.
>> Why do you think Dan doesn't have the stamina?
>
> I do the standing. And the fasting.
I stand a lot on Yom Kippur too. That's why I added the word
"immobile".
> I'm *not* offering to lead services at that point. :)
Don't rush it. Henry gave you 10 years!
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> As a bit of chizuk [encouragement]: the two people in our shul who do
> the bulk of the Torah reading (yours truly being one of same) only
> started doing so as adults (I've been leining for somewhat more than
> twenty years). My only regret is that I'm pretty sure that had I
> started at an earlier age, my memorization skills would've been
> better.
In our shul, for the last several years the baal koreh was an older
fellow who never did it in his youth. He found it very hard. He
trained all three of his sons to do it an early age. We now have a
young fellow who was just bar mitzvahed. He does _great_! KA"H.
Micha Berger
: I didn't say he doesn't. I merely pointed out, that a good voice and
: knowlege of the melodies is not enough.
Meaning what you are saying helps too. Which is tough as your feet
start distracting you more and more.
-mi
Adelle D. Stavis, Esq.
> Yesterday morning I led the "preliminary" part of the service (through
> Nishmat) for the first time. It went well. The ritual director gave me a
> great compliment when he jokingly said I was a good advertisement for his
> work as a teacher.
>
lead
> the daily services including Hallel) is that it doesn't happen all at
once,
> time themselves. Each year I try to learn something new. The trick is
once
> you've learned something, you should continue to do it but also move on to
> do something else.
>
> So I encourage people to give it a try. It will increase your comfort
level
> with the service by giving you mastery of part of it, and be an example
for
> others.
>
> As I've said before, if *I* can do this, anyone can.
>
Yascher Koach!
Adelle
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>
> : I didn't say he doesn't. I merely pointed out, that a good voice and
> : knowlege of the melodies is not enough.
>
> Meaning what you are saying helps too. Which is tough as your feet
> start distracting you more and more.
Yes, that's a corollary to my point.
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
I just found a website that, incredibly, has the entire NUSSACH (weekday,
Shabbat, holiday and High Holiday) in over 700 files:
http://www.virtualcantor.com
There are also Torah "trope" teachers on the net:
http://www.maxsynagogue.com and http://www.ellietorah.com
Josh
>
> Adelle
>
Jonathan J. Baker
>I just found a website that, incredibly, has the entire NUSSACH (weekday,
>Shabbat, holiday and High Holiday) in over 700 files:
>http://www.virtualcantor.com
I don't know if it quite fits current Orthodox practice. I listened to
the Shabbat mincha "atah echad" - it has a fair amount of repeated words
and phrases. While lots of the Greats earlier in this century repeated,
it has fallen out of vogue, more in line with the halachic texts.
--
Jonathan Baker | Ehh, you Sivan Sinaitic revelation, you've
jjb...@panix.com | seen 'em all.
Web page <http://www.panix.com/~jjbaker>
Garry
<jjb...@panix.com> wrote:
>In <> bac...@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>
>>I just found a website that, incredibly, has the entire NUSSACH (weekday,
>>Shabbat, holiday and High Holiday) in over 700 files:
>>http://www.virtualcantor.com
>
>I don't know if it quite fits current Orthodox practice. I listened to
>the Shabbat mincha "atah echad" - it has a fair amount of repeated words
>and phrases. While lots of the Greats earlier in this century repeated,
>it has fallen out of vogue, more in line with the halachic texts.
It's actually easier than you might think to use the same tune, simply
lengthening words and wordless "ah's" so that no words need be
repeated.
Jonathan J. Baker
>On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:14:46 +0000 (UTC), "Jonathan J. Baker"
><jjb...@panix.com> wrote:
>>In <> bac...@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>>
>>>I just found a website that, incredibly, has the entire NUSSACH (weekday,
>>>Shabbat, holiday and High Holiday) in over 700 files:
>>>http://www.virtualcantor.com
>>
>>I don't know if it quite fits current Orthodox practice. I listened to
>>the Shabbat mincha "atah echad" - it has a fair amount of repeated words
>>and phrases. While lots of the Greats earlier in this century repeated,
>>it has fallen out of vogue, more in line with the halachic texts.
>It's actually easier than you might think to use the same tune, simply
>lengthening words and wordless "ah's" so that no words need be
>repeated.
Sure, I do that all the time, with, e.g., Yismechu b'malchutcha in Shabbat
mussaf. (You smell too. Palmolive soap for you! Shower, shower, shower
sho-ower, so you'll be clean for Sha-abos.)
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> Garry <s...@spam.com> writes:
>>"Jonathan J. Baker" <jjb...@panix.com> writes:
>>>In <> bac...@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>>>
>>>>I just found a website that, incredibly, has the entire NUSSACH
>>>>(weekday, Shabbat, holiday and High Holiday) in over 700 files:
>>>>http://www.virtualcantor.com
>>>
>>>I don't know if it quite fits current Orthodox practice. I listened to
>>>the Shabbat mincha "atah echad" - it has a fair amount of repeated words
>>>and phrases. While lots of the Greats earlier in this century repeated,
>>>it has fallen out of vogue, more in line with the halachic texts.
>
>>It's actually easier than you might think to use the same tune, simply
>>lengthening words and wordless "ah's" so that no words need be
>>repeated.
>
> Sure, I do that all the time, with, e.g., Yismechu b'malchutcha in Shabbat
> mussaf. (You smell too. Palmolive soap for you! Shower, shower, shower
> sho-ower, so you'll be clean for Sha-abos.)
ROTFLOLWTIME! Thanks.
Charles Vitez
seems to be a Josh Sharfman. Does anyone know him or of him? He has clearly
worked very hard to put all of these files together. Clearly he is not a
trained hazan, has a limited repertoire and lacks perfect pitch but the
items I have listened to are all quite pleasant.
Oh, where I come from repetition of key words in context (and in tune) adds
to the kavana, not detracts from it. We used to get some Jekkers in the
community who complained, but the next nearest community is too far to walk
to easily on a Shabbat, so they had to like it or lump it.
Your second choice, on the other hand, Maxsynagogue, is a hoot. A robot from
Star Trek teaching a bar mitzva portion? There has got to be a punch line in
it somewhere. The funny thing is that it wasn't too bad - in tune and easy
enough to follow. What will they think of next?
Charles Vitez
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bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
> I finally got around to looking at the sites you mention. The virtualcantor
> seems to be a Josh Sharfman. Does anyone know him or of him? He has clearly
> worked very hard to put all of these files together. Clearly he is not a
> trained hazan, has a limited repertoire and lacks perfect pitch but the
> items I have listened to are all quite pleasant.
Nobody's perfect :-) But apart from his voice how did you like
the website ? :-) ["Apart from *that*, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy
the play?"]
>
> Oh, where I come from repetition of key words in context (and in tune) adds
> to the kavana, not detracts from it. We used to get some Jekkers in the
> community who complained, but the next nearest community is too far to walk
> to easily on a Shabbat, so they had to like it or lump it.
>
> Your second choice, on the other hand, Maxsynagogue, is a hoot. A robot from
> Star Trek teaching a bar mitzva portion? There has got to be a punch line in
> it somewhere. The funny thing is that it wasn't too bad - in tune and easy
> enough to follow. What will they think of next?
ROTFL :-) That reminds me of the classic scene from the 1964 TV show
CAR 54 WHERE ARE YOU? with the Bar Mitzva preparations of the Jewish
cop's son. The kid is repeatedly practicing his Haftarah making the same
mistakes and his Black friend (son of another policeman) is constantly
correcting him.
Josh
Charles Vitez
<bac...@vms.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
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> In article <bckm6c$86o$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>, "Charles Vitez"
<vi...@btinternet.com> writes:
> > I finally got around to looking at the sites you mention. The
virtualcantor
> > seems to be a Josh Sharfman. Does anyone know him or of him? He has
clearly
> > worked very hard to put all of these files together. Clearly he is not a
> > trained hazan, has a limited repertoire and lacks perfect pitch but the
> > items I have listened to are all quite pleasant.
>
>
> Nobody's perfect :-) But apart from his voice how did you like
> the website ? :-) ["Apart from *that*, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy
> the play?"]
***CV***
I am sorry if what I said came over as being too negative. That was not my
intention. The pieces that I had listened to were quite pleasant. However,
it has to be admitted that the man is no Malovany, but then very, very few
are!
***
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Oh, where I come from repetition of key words in context (and in tune)
adds
> > to the kavana, not detracts from it. We used to get some Jekkers in the
> > community who complained, but the next nearest community is too far to
walk
> > to easily on a Shabbat, so they had to like it or lump it.
> >
> > Your second choice, on the other hand, Maxsynagogue, is a hoot. A robot
from
> > Star Trek teaching a bar mitzva portion? There has got to be a punch
line in
> > it somewhere. The funny thing is that it wasn't too bad - in tune and
easy
> > enough to follow. What will they think of next?
>
>
> ROTFL :-) That reminds me of the classic scene from the 1964 TV show
> CAR 54 WHERE ARE YOU? with the Bar Mitzva preparations of the Jewish
> cop's son. The kid is repeatedly practicing his Haftarah making the same
> mistakes and his Black friend (son of another policeman) is constantly
> correcting him.
***CV***
I don't think that episode was shown here in the UK, at least I do not
remember seeing it.
However, how about this? A few years ago, the bar mitzva at our synagogue
was taught the leining and haftorah by his elder sister (who has perfect
pitch). Whilst there is no doubt she was capable of doing a great job on the
music front, the relationship between teacher and pupil was probably just a
bit too close for objectivity. The boy was getting more and more nervous and
making a few mistakes in the leining, and she was getting more and more
frustrated by this, to the point where I had a vision of her rushing down
from the ladies gallery and taking over. It didn't happen, of course and
decorum was maintained, but I suspect that he got makess when they got home.
***
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
>
> <bac...@vms.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
> news:bcl1b5$36m$1...@falcon.steinthal.us...
>> In article <bckm6c$86o$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>, "Charles Vitez"
> <vi...@btinternet.com> writes:
>> > I finally got around to looking at the sites you mention. The
> virtualcantor
>> > seems to be a Josh Sharfman. Does anyone know him or of him? He has
> clearly
>> > worked very hard to put all of these files together. Clearly he is not a
>> > trained hazan, has a limited repertoire and lacks perfect pitch but the
>> > items I have listened to are all quite pleasant.
>>
>>
>> Nobody's perfect :-) But apart from his voice how did you like
>> the website ? :-) ["Apart from *that*, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy
>> the play?"]
>
> ***CV***
> I am sorry if what I said came over as being too negative. That was not my
> intention. The pieces that I had listened to were quite pleasant. However,
You didn't notice the smiley's :-)
That reminds me of what happened at a Reform temple (Sinai) in Springfield
MA in the mid-60's [I heard this from a friend who was there]. The clergyman
there (Bernie Baby, as he asked to be called by his congregants) has invited
100 Catholic nuns to sing at Friday night services. When they finished, one
of the nuns said to the other, "Oh boy, did **WE** screw up YIGDAL !" :-)
Josh