Jewish Founding Fathers
Giorgies E Kepipesiom
were Robert Morris of Pennsylvania, and Lewis Morris of New York.
There was also Gouverneur Morris, who is believed to have written the
preamble to the Constitution, which document he signed as a delegate
from Pennsylvania. A perusal of short biographis of these three
founding fathers, in several sources, reveals nothing about their
religions. Is it possible that one or more of them was Jewish?
GEK
Shmaryahu b. Chanoch
wrote:
How many were Freemasons as well? As much as anything, it was the
Freemasons who gave Jews the greatest freedom and recognition.
Remember that most of the founders, especially those who were
Freemasons, tended to not believe in Jesus as god the son. They had a
form of unitarianism (no longer practiced) that came from their
Masonic beliefs.
Even Issac Newton wrote papers proving that Jesus was not god. Again,
another Freemason.
mm
<kepip...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Among the signers of the American Declaration of Independence there
>were Robert Morris of Pennsylvania,
Well, Robert Morris was listed in my JHS or HS history book as one of
two major funders of the Revolutonary War** along with Haym Solomon.
And if you're on (Upper) Wacker Drive one block west of State St. you
can see a atatue of the two of them, maybe with George Washington.
Since Chaim Solomon is often pointed out as a Jew, the same people
would surely point out Robert Morris if they knew it was true. (So
maybe it's true and they don't know. )
Wikip says he was born in Liverpool, England, his mother was Elizebeth
Murphet, he moved to Osford Maryland when he was 13. Frankly, I get
mixed up about England. When Jews were kicked out, how many were
there in 1734, etc. But it also says he attended Anglican churches
until he died. Doesn't say when he started, but still.
**(the War between the States for our British friends)
> and Lewis Morris of New York.
Hmmm. Lewis Morris the first was born in Wales, his mother was named
Sarah Pole. Morrisania in the Bronx is named after him.
Lewis Morris the third's mother was Katrintje or Catherine Staats.
>There was also Gouverneur Morris, who is believed to have written the
Born January 31, 1752. He died at the family estate, Morrisania, and
he is buried at St. Ann's Episcopal Church in the Bronx,
He was the brother or half-brother of Lewis Morris the third, in the
previous section.
>preamble to the Constitution, which document he signed as a delegate
>from Pennsylvania. A perusal of short biographis of these three
>founding fathers, in several sources, reveals nothing about their
>religions. Is it possible that one or more of them was Jewish?
I was hoping to find one whose father had changed his name from
Morrishlevitz. But no luck.
>GEK
The story of Haym Solomon is quite interesting in many ways.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayim_solomon
But this I like especially.
"In 1783, Solomon was among the prominent Jews involved in the
successful effort to have the Pennsylvania Council of Censors remove
the religious test oath required for office-holding under the State
Constitution. In 1784, he answered anti-Semitic slander in the press
by stating: "I am a Jew; it is my own nation; I do not despair that we
shall obtain every other privilege that we aspire to enjoy along with
our fellow-citizens.""
"I am a Jew. It is my own nation." And also a citizen of the US.
"His obituary in the Independent Gazetteer read, "Thursday, last,
expired, after a lingering illness, Mr. Haym Solomon, an eminent
broker of this city, was a native of Poland, and of the Hebrew nation.
He was remarkable for his skill and integrity in his profession, and
for his generous and humane deportment. His remains were yesterday
deposited in the burial ground of the synagogue of this city."[6] [7]"
"and of the Hebrew nation", the paper said.
--
Meir
"The baby's name is Shlomo. He's named after his grandfather, Scott."
General Schvantzkoph
No they weren't, the closest we get to a Jewish founding father was Haym
Solomon who helped finance the revolution.
Shmaryahu b. Chanoch
wrote:
There were 24 Jews who were officers in the Revolutionary Army. And
there were many Jews in the Freemasons which was basically the
Revolutionary committee.
lee
See I always knew these Jews were troublemakers....
Shmaryahu b. Chanoch
Not the point, even though there are those who see "things" in Jews
and the Freemasons. The US Constitution was basically patterned after
the Freemason lodge. The office remains but the men move on. In that
era, there was great openness towards Jews within the Freemasons. And
great opportunities.
Remember that most of the founders, given that they were Freemasons,
had views of christianity that are very different than today. They
did not believe in the Trinity (Puritans even rejected Christmas) for
example. They were very open to the Talmud, many even studied it.
Issac Newton, a Freemason, wrote many papers against the Trinity.
It was about 1805 that we had a reaction against Masonic lodges. It
was then that we started seeing more anti semitism. And in Germany
and Russia the authorities feared both the Jews and Freemasons as a
threat against their power. Thus they had agents become Freemasons
who spread anti Jewish attitudes.
It was an unique period that opened a window for a very brief time.
It was both liberal yet embraced much of what we would call social
conservative thought.
Art Werschulz
Giorgies E Kepipesiom <kepip...@hotmail.com> writes:
> There was also Gouverneur Morris ...
If Governor Morris had a brother named Mayor, then I'd believe that was
Jewish.
--
Art Werschulz (agw STRUDEL comcast.net)
... insert clever quote here ...
Joe Bruno
wrote:
That sounds to me like an excellent research topic. I'm gonna use the
Internet first and, if that yields nothing, I'll go to other sources
in the local library. I think the Library of Congress might have
something.
If I find anything, SCJM will be the first to know.
Ken
wrote:
To add to the list: If I remember correctly, Alexander Hamilton's
mother was Jewish. I don't know what religion he did or didn't
follow.
Ken
General Schvantzkoph
Hamilton's mother was a Huguenot which were French Protestants. She had
been married to a German Jew, but she was separated from him and he was
not Hamilton's father. Hamilton did attend a Jewish school because the
Church of England wouldn't let a bastard attend a church school, however
he wasn't Jewish.
Ken
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Wow, I remember where I think I read that his mother was Jewish. The
publication that I could have sworn printed the info is a very well
regarded magazine. I don't know how I can find the article again, but
I'll try.
Thanks for the reply.
Ken
chsw
The only founding father who was rumored to be Jewish in his
lifetime, afaik, was Alexander Hamilton. His mother's name was
Rachel, but her last name has been disputed.
chsw
Ken
Okay, at least I'm not the only one who had heard Hamilton had Jewish
blood. I did a bit of looking around and found a reference that his
mother's last name was Levine and she taught him Hebrew. But it
didn't actually say she was Jewish.
If I have time, which seems doubtful, I'll do some more checking.
Ken
Ken
>
> - Show quoted text -
General,
This site: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Hamilton.html
says she was probably Jewish: Alexander Hamilton was born on the
British island of Nevis, in the West Indies, on January 11, 1755. His
mother was most likely Jewish, and his father, James Hamilton, was a
non-Jewish Scotsman descended from the House of Hamilton in Ayrshire,
Scotland. In the 1760s, Alexander attended a Jewish school in Nevis,
which was housed in a synagogue in Charleston, the island's capital.
But from Wikipedia, we get:
Hamilton was born in Charlestown, the capital of Nevis in the British
West Indies. He was born out of wedlock to Rachel Faucett Lavien, of
partial French Huguenot descent,
Well, that's not settled. So I guess the next time we see little
Alex, we'll have to ask him in person to get the straight skinny.
Hope this helps, somewhat,
Ken
mm
<joeb...@indystart.com> wrote:
>What is "Jewish blood????"
>
>According to Jewish law, a Jew is either:
>
>The child of a Jewish Mother, or
>a convert to Judaism
>
>If the Father is Gentile and the Mother Jewish, the child has the
>blood of both parents.
>
>What about converts? Does their blood change when they convert to
>Judaism?
Absolutely. Other thigns too. No, I'm not kidding.
General Schvantzkoph
Sounds like there's a book in this for someone.
Asher N
news:gkmh56ht8rs46j0do...@4ax.com:
The blood transfusion was painless. The other thing, not so much.
Micha Berger
> mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote in
>
> The blood transfusion was painless. The other thing, not so much.
I presume the transfusions was so painless, it's like it didn't even
happen. Usually you can't even remember undergoing it...
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha
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Asher N
@harrier.steinthal.us:
> Asher N <compg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote in
>>> Absolutely. Other thigns too. No, I'm not kidding.
>>
>> The blood transfusion was painless. The other thing, not so much.
>
> I presume the transfusions was so painless, it's like it didn't even
> happen. Usually you can't even remember undergoing it...
>
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha
>
But you do wake up with a serious case of bagel munchies. :)
Joe Bruno
> Asher N <compguy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote in
> >> Absolutely. Other thigns too. No, I'm not kidding.
>
> > The blood transfusion was painless. The other thing, not so much.
>
> I presume the transfusions was so painless, it's like it didn't even
> happen. Usually you can't even remember undergoing it...
>
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote in
>> <joeb...@indystart.com> wrote:
>>
>>>What about converts? Does their blood change when they convert to
>>>Judaism?
>>
>> Absolutely. Other thigns too. No, I'm not kidding.
>
> The blood transfusion was painless. The other thing, not so much.
LOL.
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