Bowing in Martial Arts Training
Spider Cottage
Fiona
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> would such bowing be considered idol worship for jews?
No.
Eliyahu
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> would such bowing be considered idol worship for jews?
No more so than saluting in the military or shaking hands in civilian life.
Eliyahu
Sheldon Ackerman
I would suggest the individual ask his/her Rav.
Saluting and shaking hands is not the equivlent of bowing.
Who is the individual bowing to? His sensei, the Japanese flag (or other
flag), a photagraph of the "father" of the particular martial arts
discipline (hanging on the wall of the dojo)?
In addition, other questions may arise as well. May one kneel during the
meditation periods? May girls wear gi pants? These are not questions you or
I should answer.
Spider Cottage
about a bend from the waist. this they do
while standing. but when the teacher is
instructing them they sit on the floor.
i watch as the kids sit on their knees with
their feet tucked under them and bow their
heads to the floor towards each other, to the
teacher, and to a representation of the dojo
itself. i know it's not worship, but it looks
like it.
no problem with this?
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> would such bowing be considered idol worship for jews?
Ceremonial bowing in martial arts is permissible; however, bowing
down before a picture of say Buddha would be prohibited.
Josh (Domo arigato gozai mashta)
Susan Cohen
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il wrote:
> In article <4lvT8.62059$5M2.2...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>, Spider Cottage <roo...@optonline.net> writes:
> > would such bowing be considered idol worship for jews?
>
> Ceremonial bowing in martial arts is permissible;
In Asian countries, this is a public custom akin to shaking hands - no worship of the other person is intended.
> however, bowing
> down before a picture of say Buddha would be prohibited.
>
> Josh (Domo arigato gozai mashta)
do itash mushte
Susan
Sheldon Ackerman
>
>In Asian countries, this is a public custom akin to shaking hands - no worship of the other person is intended.
>
The question did not involve the type of bowing you are describing.
Micha Berger
: I would suggest the individual ask his/her Rav.
...
: Who is the individual bowing to? His sensei, the Japanese flag (or other
: flag), a photagraph of the "father" of the particular martial arts
: discipline (hanging on the wall of the dojo)?
Sheldon gives the right answer.
FWIW, in Nefesh haRav, R' Herschel Schachter repeats R' JB Soloveitchik's
answer to a similar question. There it was asked WRT bowing to the teacher,
the opponent, and the mat.
Bowing to the opponent or sensei is halachically fine, since they are
meant as polite greeting. Bowing to the mat, however, is prohibited. His
reason, because it's fundamental that one is not permitted to act
stupidly. R' Schachter uses the word "stupid", despite the book being
in Hebrew, spelling it samech-tes-vav-pei-yud-dalet.
: In addition, other questions may arise as well. May one kneel during the
: meditation periods? ...
A more fundamantal question:
May one join a dojo that teaches meditation altogether?
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Sheldon Ackerman
>A more fundamantal question:
>May one join a dojo that teaches meditation altogether?
>
Generally, the meditation involved is not anything formal. It is simply
something like "quiet time" in a kindergarten. The students relax mentally
and physically before or after the workout.
Susan Cohen
Micha Berger wrote:
> Bowing to the mat, however, is prohibited. His
> reason, because it's fundamental that one is not permitted to act
> stupidly. R' Schachter uses the word "stupid", despite the book being
> in Hebrew, spelling it samech-tes-vav-pei-yud-dalet.
I can't get over how much I am enjoying this particular tidbit onm information!!
Thanks for posting it!
Susan
Susan Cohen
Sheldon Ackerman wrote:
Only wrt to the sensei.
Susan
Fiona
Micha Berger wrote in message ...
>Bowing to the opponent or sensei is halachically fine, since they are
>meant as polite greeting. Bowing to the mat, however, is prohibited. His
>reason, because it's fundamental that one is not permitted to act
>stupidly. R' Schachter uses the word "stupid", despite the book being
>in Hebrew, spelling it samech-tes-vav-pei-yud-dalet.
What was his actual Hebrew sentence?
>: In addition, other questions may arise as well. May one kneel during the
>: meditation periods? ...
>
>A more fundamantal question:
>May one join a dojo that teaches meditation altogether?
Why not? Meditation is not in and of itself religious (idolatrous or
otherwise), it is mental discipline. R' Aryeh Kaplan wrote some nice books
on Jewish Meditation. Of course, if the Dojo is teaching meditation systems
involving a little brass fatman, then could be problems. BTW, are you aware
that Bhudda was pretty much a contemporary of Shlomo HaMelek.
Fiona
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"Spider Cottage" <roo...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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For most martial arts, it would not. There may be a question in the case of
Aikido, however. The practitioners bow towards a picture of the founder of
the system, which is generally part of a Shinto shrine. I instructed my
son, who took 6 years of Aikido, to have the kavana of respect for the
founder, rather than to have the kavana of worshipping the founder, and to
look to the picture rather than the rest of the shrine (which contains
swords and staffs, objects of martial arts but holy to the Shinto
practitioner).
Craig Winchell
GAN EDEN Wines
Sheldon Ackerman
>
>For most martial arts, it would not. There may be a question in the case of
>Aikido, however. The practitioners bow towards a picture of the founder of
>the system, which is generally part of a Shinto shrine. I instructed my
>son, who took 6 years of Aikido, to have the kavana of respect for the
>founder, rather than to have the kavana of worshipping the founder, and to
>look to the picture rather than the rest of the shrine (which contains
>swords and staffs, objects of martial arts but holy to the Shinto
>practitioner).
One should still ask a question rather than take it upon themselves to
"pasken" the question themselves. Your intent may not necessarily play a
difference if you are doing what everyone else is doing.
BTW there are certainly numerous good Aikido dojo's that do not bow to any
shrines.
Spider Cottage
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> On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:31:01 +0000 (UTC),
> Bowing to the opponent or sensei is halachically fine, since they are
> meant as polite greeting. Bowing to the mat, however, is prohibited. His
> reason, because it's fundamental that one is not permitted to act
> stupidly. R' Schachter uses the word "stupid", despite the book being
> in Hebrew, spelling it samech-tes-vav-pei-yud-dalet.
I think we should have a special thread regarding this revolutionary new
halachic term. First of all, the gematria is 159. Given the kabbalistic
significance of 69 (which is also the sum of the first 2 letters), it is
clear that 159 has some hidden, deeper meaning to it. This is especially
evident when one notices that pei, which is (159-69)-10 (yud - yad, a hand)
is the first letter of the word which consists of pei and tzaddik. So, this
word is therefore a remez to 69 and a pei tzaddik. This is clearly a
reference to what is referred to in kaballah as yichud zu"n, albeit in a way
that is not biah kedarka.
Ian (OK, I'll take my pills before I try to get into gematria and kaballah
again).
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"Sheldon Ackerman" <acke...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote in message
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BS"D
Of course. By the way, everyone else (all the other kids) were just doing
as instructed, and bowing wherever they were told. Nobody was worshipping,
not even the sensei. I would doubt that the vast majority of adults using
the dojo (much less the children) would have known that a Samurai sword
stand underneath the photo of the founder of the Aikido system constituted a
Shinto shrine (not that they would have cared, it being California).
>
> BTW there are certainly numerous good Aikido dojo's that do not bow to any
> shrines.
Not true here in California. Every dojo I've seen has the same Shinto
shrine. It's a shrine, not a temple or altar. There is no sacrifice
associated with it, there is no incense burned, or anything like that.
Aikido considers itself the descendant of the Samurai culture, which was
Shinto-based.
Craig Winchell
Susan Cohen
Spider Cottage wrote:
> watakushi ni tekiyo no sushi o kudosai
gomen nasai, hihon go ga hanase masen!
Susan
Abe Kohen
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Dozo, Josh-san, why the suffix mash(i)ta, rather than mas?
Haji memashita, vatashiwa kohen-des, dozo yorushku.
Micha Berger
: BTW there are certainly numerous good Aikido dojo's that do not bow to any
: shrines.
Getting somewhat off topic for a moment, I wonder if they're good Aikido
dojos. The ki (ch'i) in Aikido is some kind of universal life-energy. It
is cited by Lucas on more than one occasion as an idea he drew on in
coming up with the Force. And, like the Jedi Masters, they tell stories
of supernatural vision and telekenesis about O Sensei (Great Teacher)
Morihei Ueshiba, the founder. The word "aikido" translates to "the way
of flowing Force".
Because aikido is so heavily religious, there are martial arts that call
themselves aikido but have all the "aiki" taken out of the "do". The
Japanese police force developed one such, as a means for effective
hand-to-hand combat.
I would therefore ask many hard questions of the sensei to find out
where in the spectrum described above his dojo resides. And, then
take that information to one's rabbi. Rituals created for a religion
are often prohibited even when used non-religiously or in Jewish
worship. Whether or not that would apply here is a rabbi's call.
-mi
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>
>
> Spider Cottage wrote:
>
> > watakushi ni tekiyo no sushi o kudosai
>
> gomen nasai, hihon go ga hanase masen!
Ee-ay wakari-masen.
Abe-san
Susan Cohen
Abe Kohen wrote:
> "Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > Spider Cottage wrote:
> >
> > > watakushi ni tekiyo no sushi o kudosai
> >
> > gomen nasai, hihon go ga hanase masen!
>
> Ee-ay wakari-masen.
It's Japanese for "I'm so sorry, I don't speak Japanese."
Probably the handiest Japanese sentence to learn.
Susan
Abe Kohen
Sumismasen, Susan-san, (really Cohen-san), it was a typo (I presume) in
nihon-go (hihon go) that threw me.
Domo.
Abe-san
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
>
>
> Spider Cottage wrote:
>
>> watakushi ni tekiyo no sushi o kudosai
>
> gomen nasai, hihon go ga hanase masen!
This newsgroup reminds me of the Oriental waiter at the Glatt
kosher restaurant who is speaking Yiddish. One of the customers
asks the owner how this is possible and the owner replies,
"HE THINKS HE'S LEARNING ENGLISH !!"
Josh
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
You remind me of the Japanese businessman who's on a trip to London.
A friend says, "Kimoshito-san, your wife Lotus Flower is having an
affair with a Jewish man !" He takes the first plane back to Tokyo
to confront his wife. She says, "WHO'S BEEN TELLING ALL THESE
BUBBA MEYSES ??"
Josh
Susan Cohen
Abe Kohen wrote:
> "Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > Abe Kohen wrote:
> >
> > > "Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3D21D4E7...@his.com...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Spider Cottage wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > watakushi ni tekiyo no sushi o kudosai
> > > >
> > > > gomen nasai, hihon go ga hanase masen!
> > >
> > > Ee-ay wakari-masen.
> >
> > It's Japanese for "I'm so sorry, I don't speak Japanese."
> > Probably the handiest Japanese sentence to learn.
> >
> > Susan
>
> Sumismasen, Susan-san, (really Cohen-san), it was a typo (I presume) in
> nihon-go (hihon go) that threw me.
Uh, yeah - it was definitely a typo! And I thought I had cut my fingernails
short enough!
Susan
>
>
> Domo.
>
> Abe-san
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> Abe Kohen wrote:
>> "Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
>> > Abe Kohen wrote:
>> > > "Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
>> > > >
>> > > > > watakushi ni tekiyo no sushi o kudosai
>> > > >
>> > > > gomen nasai, hihon go ga hanase masen!
>> > >
>> > > Ee-ay wakari-masen.
>> >
>> > It's Japanese for "I'm so sorry, I don't speak Japanese."
>> > Probably the handiest Japanese sentence to learn.
>>
>> presume) in nihon-go (hihon go) that threw me.
>
> Uh, yeah - it was definitely a typo! And I thought I had cut my
> fingernails short enough!
To try to get _some_ "Jewish content" into this thread. Susan, you
should always be sure your fingernails are short, and not for typing.
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
May Eliyahu Chayim ben Sarah Henna (Eliot Shimoff) have a refuah Shlaima.
Fiona
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote in message <2002Jul...@mm.huji.ac.il>...
>Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> writes:
>> Uh, yeah - it was definitely a typo! And I thought I had cut my
>> fingernails short enough!
>
>To try to get _some_ "Jewish content" into this thread. Susan, you
>should always be sure your fingernails are short, and not for typing.
I thought that was just for guys; you would be disgusted at my claws.
Fiona
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote in message
>>Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> writes:
>
>>> Uh, yeah - it was definitely a typo! And I thought I had cut my
>>> fingernails short enough!
>>
>>To try to get _some_ "Jewish content" into this thread. Susan, you
>>should always be sure your fingernails are short, and not for typing.
>
> I thought that was just for guys;
Why?
> you would be disgusted at my claws.
So? Do something about it. :-)
Fiona, Susan is married so she has to worry about more than just
netilas yadayim. By _you_ for simchas.
Dr. Shlomo Argamon (Engelson)
In article <2002Jul...@mm.huji.ac.il> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il writes:
>Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> writes:
>> Abe Kohen wrote:
>>> "Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
>>> > Abe Kohen wrote:
>>> > > "Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
>>> > > > Spider Cottage wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > watakushi ni tekiyo no sushi o kudosai
>>> > > >
>>> > > > gomen nasai, hihon go ga hanase masen!
>>> > >
>>> > > Ee-ay wakari-masen.
>>> >
>>> > It's Japanese for "I'm so sorry, I don't speak Japanese."
>>> > Probably the handiest Japanese sentence to learn.
>>>
>>> Sumismasen, Susan-san, (really Cohen-san), it was a typo (I
>>> presume) in nihon-go (hihon go) that threw me.
>>
>> Uh, yeah - it was definitely a typo! And I thought I had cut my
>> fingernails short enough!
>
>To try to get _some_ "Jewish content" into this thread. Susan, you
>should always be sure your fingernails are short, and not for typing.
Ob.Jewish: Yudaya-jin desu, ne? Tottemo ii desu yo!
Satisfied?
-Shlomo-
Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)
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> In article <4lvT8.62059$5M2.2...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>, Spider
Cottage <roo...@optonline.net> writes:
> > would such bowing be considered idol worship for jews?
>
>
> Ceremonial bowing in martial arts is permissible; however, bowing
> down before a picture of say Buddha would be prohibited.
>
>
> Josh (Domo arigato gozai mashta)
Tuchesai kishita minato.
Ian
Matthew G. Saroff
>
>
>Spider Cottage wrote:
>
>> watakushi ni tekiyo no sushi o kudosai
>
>gomen nasai, hihon go ga hanase masen!
>
What is the Japanese for "My Hovercraft is Full of Eels?"
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>
> <bac...@vms.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
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>> In article <4lvT8.62059$5M2.2...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>, Spider
> Cottage <roo...@optonline.net> writes:
>> > would such bowing be considered idol worship for jews?
>>
>>
>> Ceremonial bowing in martial arts is permissible; however, bowing
>> down before a picture of say Buddha would be prohibited.
>>
>>
>> Josh (Domo arigato gozai mashta)
>
> Tuchesai kishita minato.
ROTFL !
And a hearty K.M.I.T. too
Josh
Susan Cohen
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
> To try to get _some_ "Jewish content" into this thread. Susan, you
> should always be sure your fingernails are short, and not for typing.
I am not going to make stupid references to battle captives - I'm NOT!
Susan
Susan Cohen
"Matthew G. Saroff" wrote:
> Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Spider Cottage wrote:
> >
> >> watakushi ni tekiyo no sushi o kudosai
> >
> >gomen nasai, hihon go ga hanase masen!
> >
> What is the Japanese for "My Hovercraft is Full of Eels?"
You would leave me with the vulgar quote....
Susan
Dr. Shlomo Argamon (Engelson)
OOPS!
BlackMonk
BlackMonk
> > mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote in message
> >>Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> writes:
> >
> >>> Uh, yeah - it was definitely a typo! And I thought I had cut my
> >>> fingernails short enough!
> >>
> >>To try to get _some_ "Jewish content" into this thread. Susan, you
> >>should always be sure your fingernails are short, and not for typing.
> >
> > I thought that was just for guys;
>
> Why?
>
So we don't hurt ourselves if we pick our noses?
> > you would be disgusted at my claws.
>
> So? Do something about it. :-)
>
> Fiona, Susan is married so she has to worry about more than just
> netilas yadayim. By _you_ for simchas.
>
"Yadayim?" Is that the Hebrew for "Yadda Yadda Yadda?" (Ok, it wasn't that
funny, but it's my first Hebrew-English pun. I'm so proud.)
Susan Cohen
For the record, I know what Moshe means - I'm just being my usual smart-alecky
self.
Susan
Micha Berger
:>>I am not going to make stupid references to battle captives - I'm NOT!
:> OOPS!
: For the record, I know what Moshe means - I'm just being my usual smart-alecky
: self.
And I thought it was my reference to it being prohibiteed to act stupid
made earlier in this thread.
-mi
Susan Cohen
Micha Berger wrote:
If it makes you feel better - okay, it was!
(I'm still tickled over the language use in that one....)
Susan
>
>
> -mi
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
Susan, I am so glad you didn't make stupid references to battle
captives. After posting, I realized you could make stupid references
to battle captives. As I said, I'm so glad you were able to control
yourself and not make stupid references to battle captives.
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> <mos...@mm.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
>> "Fiona" <fi...@intxtdoc.demon.co.uk> writes:
>> > mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote in message
>> >>Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> writes:
>> >
>> >>> Uh, yeah - it was definitely a typo! And I thought I had cut my
>> >>> fingernails short enough!
>> >>
>> >>To try to get _some_ "Jewish content" into this thread. Susan, you
>> >>should always be sure your fingernails are short, and not for typing.
>> >
>> > I thought that was just for guys;
>>
>> Why?
>
> So we don't hurt ourselves if we pick our noses?
>
>> > you would be disgusted at my claws.
>>
>> So? Do something about it. :-)
>>
>> Fiona, Susan is married so she has to worry about more than just
>> netilas yadayim. By _you_ for simchas.
>
> "Yadayim?" Is that the Hebrew for "Yadda Yadda Yadda?" (Ok, it
> wasn't that funny, but it's my first Hebrew-English pun. I'm so
> proud.)
So I'll give you the highest compliment a pun can recieve; GROAN!
Reminds me of our oldest daughter when she was learning to make the
brocho for hand-washing. She would repeat each word carefully untill;
al - al
netilas - netilas
yadayim - my dayim
Susan Cohen
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
> Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> writes:
> > mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
> >
> >> To try to get _some_ "Jewish content" into this thread. Susan, you
> >> should always be sure your fingernails are short, and not for typing.
> >
> > I am not going to make stupid references to battle captives - I'm NOT!
>
> Susan, I am so glad you didn't make stupid references to battle
> captives. After posting, I realized you could make stupid references
> to battle captives. As I said, I'm so glad you were able to control
> yourself and not make stupid references to battle captives.
Yeah, every so often, I *can* refrain from making stupid references to all
sorts of things!
Ain't you proud of me?
Susan
Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd. (Tirana, Albania)
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> In article <afu908$gei85$1...@ID-98143.news.dfncis.de>, "Creedmoor
Chronicles, Ltd \(Tirana, Albania\)" <icsrcoup...@matrix.ru> writes:
> >
> > <bac...@vms.huji.ac.il> wrote in > >> Josh (Domo arigato gozai mashta)
> >
> > Tuchesai kishita minato.
>
>
> ROTFL !
>
> And a hearty K.M.I.T. too
Jackie Mason translated into Japanese:
Schmucki-san
Ian
Abe Kohen
<mos...@mm.huji.ac.il> wrote
>
> Reminds me of our oldest daughter when she was learning to make the
> brocho for hand-washing. She would repeat each word carefully untill;
>
> al - al
> netilas - netilas
> yadayim - my dayim
Better "my dayim" than "shoodayim."
;-)
We should all enjoy our children.
Abe
Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)
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>
> <mos...@mm.huji.ac.il> wrote
> >
> > Reminds me of our oldest daughter when she was learning to make the
> > brocho for hand-washing. She would repeat each word carefully untill;
> >
> > al - al
> > netilas - netilas
> > yadayim - my dayim
>
> Better "my dayim" than "shoodayim."
Reb Moishe iz a Breslover, nisht a Creedmoorer. Eyerer tochter zug nisht
kein brochos al pi minhag Creedmoor :).
Ian
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Fiona
>> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote in message
>>>Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com> writes:
>>
>>>> Uh, yeah - it was definitely a typo! And I thought I had cut my
>>>> fingernails short enough!
>>>
>>>To try to get _some_ "Jewish content" into this thread. Susan, you
>>>should always be sure your fingernails are short, and not for typing.
>>
>> I thought that was just for guys;
>
>Why?
Fashion.
>> you would be disgusted at my claws.
>
>So? Do something about it. :-)
I keep 'em clean, honest I do :-)
>Fiona, Susan is married so she has to worry about more than just
>netilas yadayim. By _you_ for simchas.
Ah, see where your going with that...
Oh, and thanks :-)
Fiona
Dr. Shlomo Argamon (Engelson)
In article <pgpmoose.2002...@scjm.nj.org> bac...@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>In article <4lvT8.62059$5M2.2...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>, Spider Cottage <roo...@optonline.net> writes:
>> would such bowing be considered idol worship for jews?
>
>
>Ceremonial bowing in martial arts is permissible; however, bowing
>down before a picture of say Buddha would be prohibited.
>
>
Huh? What are you thanking him for, Josh? A good question? Nani ga?
Wakarimasen! (Nihon-go o daigaku de benkyo shimashita.)
-Shlomo-
Micha Berger
: al - al
: netilas - netilas
: yadayim - my dayim
I thought only my Izzy made that mistake!
-mi
Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd. (Tirana, Albania)
"Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)" <icsrcoup...@matrix.ru>
wrote in message news:ag1m7t$idetk$1...@ID-98143.news.dfncis.de...
> "Abe Kohen" <ako...@xenon.stanford.edu> wrote in message
> news:ag1dcg$hvod8$1...@ID-102750.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > <mos...@mm.huji.ac.il> wrote
> > >
> > > Reminds me of our oldest daughter when she was learning to make the
> > > brocho for hand-washing. She would repeat each word carefully untill;
> > >
> > > al - al
> > > netilas - netilas
> > > yadayim - my dayim
> >
> > Better "my dayim" than "shoodayim."
>
> Reb Moishe iz a Breslover, nisht a Creedmoorer. Eyerer tochter zug nisht
> kein brochos al pi minhag Creedmoor :).
Oy - un mir redd Yiddish azoy vi a chozzer fun Chelm. Dos darf zenen "Zayn
tochter..." (Reb Moishe's a tochter).
Ian
Z
Cottage <roo...@optonline.net> writes
>would such bowing be considered idol worship for jews?
No it's just a mark of humanly respect.
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Lawrence Szenes-Strauss
culture, and does not in and of itself connote any sort of worship or
veneration. It is their (somewhat more sanitary) equivalent of the
western handshake.
My understanding is that the Japanese Jewish communities -- not what
they once were, but still present -- allow social bowing as it does
not, in cultural context, remotely resemble avodah zarah.
~L