Why Lisa left (Was Re: Taliban-like extremists...)
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> "Z" <po...@imariZZZZs.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>
>> Lisa was the lady who had a baby last year?
>
> Yes, she and her partner adopted a child.
As I already posted, her partner gave birth to the child. One of the
reasons they went back to the States, was that she could not become
the baby's legal gaurdian here in Israel.
Where did you get "adopted" from?
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to be happy always! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
May Eliyahu Chayim ben Sarah Henna (Eliot Shimoff) have a refuah Shlaima.
Susan Cohen
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
> "Sheldon Glickler" <sheldonlg_f...@mediaone.net> writes:
> > "Z" <po...@imariZZZZs.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >
> >> Lisa was the lady who had a baby last year?
> >
> > Yes, she and her partner adopted a child.
>
> As I already posted, her partner gave birth to the child. One of the
> reasons they went back to the States, was that she could not become
> the baby's legal gaurdian here in Israel.
>
> Where did you get "adopted" from?
If he forgets things at *half* the rate I do, it's understandable!
Susan
Sheldon Glickler
"Susan Cohen" <fla...@hers.com> wrote in message
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What did you say <g>?
Shelly
Susan Cohen
Sheldon Glickler wrote:
WHAT?
Susan (guess what's the next to go!)
Sheldon Glickler
You know, Susan, they say that memory is the second thing to go. (Hearing
may be third). I'll tell you if I ever get there -- if I remember.
Shelly
Lisa
> "Sheldon Glickler" <sheldonlg_f...@mediaone.net> writes:
> > "Z" <po...@imariZZZZs.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >
> >> Lisa was the lady who had a baby last year?
> >
> > Yes, she and her partner adopted a child.
>
> As I already posted, her partner gave birth to the child. One of the
> reasons they went back to the States, was that she could not become
> the baby's legal gaurdian here in Israel.
>
> Where did you get "adopted" from?
In fact, I could have become Tova's legal guardian in Israel. It was
adoption that was the problem. In California, since 1985, it's been
possible for same-sex partners to do a second parent adoption.
About a month ago, a judge here tried (succeeded, really, pending
appeal) in retroactively dissolving all those adoptions (so that
children who were adopted 16 years ago all of a sudden found their
legal ties to their parent dissolved). But not long before that, a
law was passed in California allowing registered domestic partners
(which we are) to adopt their partner's children like any other
step-parent. No judge has the power to mess with that.
I'm not overjoyed with the idea of it having to be a step-parent
adoption, since neither I nor my partner nor Tova consider me to be
anything but a full parent, but I'll take it, particularly since it's
way cheaper than the second parent adoption process. The law takes
effect on January 1, so b'ezrat Hashem, we'll get it finished up
before Tova turns 2.
Lisa
Karen Allison
>may be third). I'll tell you if I ever get there -- if I remember.
And if Susan can still hear you.
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Dan Kimmel
"Lisa" <li...@starways.net> wrote in message
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> I'm not overjoyed with the idea of it having to be a step-parent
> adoption, since neither I nor my partner nor Tova consider me to be
> anything but a full parent, but I'll take it, particularly since it's
> way cheaper than the second parent adoption process. The law takes
> effect on January 1, so b'ezrat Hashem, we'll get it finished up
> before Tova turns 2.
I hope it all works out for you. The important thing is for the child to
know he/she is loved and supported. Everything else (in terms of role
models and the "traditional" family) is window dressing. I have a good
friend in a similar relationship with two sons. I attended the bar mitzvah
of the older son.
As a parent I am not threatened by other family arrangements. May you know
nothing but nachas from your daughter.
Susan Cohen
Karen Allison wrote:
> >You know, Susan, they say that memory is the second thing to go. (Hearing
> >may be third). I'll tell you if I ever get there -- if I remember.
>
> And if Susan can still hear you.
What?
Susan
maxine in ri
> I'm not overjoyed with the idea of it having to be a step-parent
> adoption, since neither I nor my partner nor Tova consider me to be
> anything but a full parent,
Lisa,
My husband's first wife left him, had a second child with her next
husband, and then left #2 who turned out to be dangerous crazy.
She moved back to where my husband was, and he started visiting his
son. When the boys were old enough, he took both of them out on
visiting day. As they grew older, he went to parent teacher
meetings, plays, pagents, exhibitions, recitals, etc. for both boys.
When we married, I inherited 2 sons, and a friend, his first wife.
My duaghter has 2 big brothers, not half or step brothers.
All by way of saying, it's not the legalities but the love that
makes the family.
maxine in ri
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote in
>> "Sheldon Glickler" <sheldonlg_f...@mediaone.net> writes:
>> > "Z" <po...@imariZZZZs.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >
>> >> Lisa was the lady who had a baby last year?
>> >
>> > Yes, she and her partner adopted a child.
>>
>> As I already posted, her partner gave birth to the child. One of the
>> reasons they went back to the States, was that she could not become
>> the baby's legal gaurdian here in Israel.
>>
>> Where did you get "adopted" from?
>
> In fact, I could have become Tova's legal guardian in Israel. It was
> adoption that was the problem. In California, since 1985, it's been
> possible for same-sex partners to do a second parent adoption.
So I was a bit more accurate than Shelly, I think.
> About a month ago, a judge here tried (succeeded, really, pending
> appeal) in retroactively dissolving all those adoptions (so that
> children who were adopted 16 years ago all of a sudden found their
> legal ties to their parent dissolved). But not long before that, a
> law was passed in California allowing registered domestic partners
> (which we are) to adopt their partner's children like any other
> step-parent. No judge has the power to mess with that.
What's the difference.
> I'm not overjoyed with the idea of it having to be a step-parent
> adoption, since neither I nor my partner nor Tova consider me to be
> anything but a full parent, but I'll take it, particularly since it's
> way cheaper than the second parent adoption process. The law takes
> effect on January 1, so b'ezrat Hashem, we'll get it finished up
> before Tova turns 2.
Good luck.
BAC...@vms.huji.ac.il
>From: maxine in ri <wee...@hotmail.coma>
>Subject:Re: Why Lisa left (Was Re: Taliban-like extremists...)
>Date: 11 Dec 2001 13:23:08 GMT
>Message-ID:<3C1608B1...@hotmail.coma>
>Lisa wrote:
>
>> I'm not overjoyed with the idea of it having to be a step-parent
>> adoption, since neither I nor my partner nor Tova consider me to be
>> anything but a full parent,
>> Lisa
>
>Lisa,
>
>My husband's first wife left him, had a second child with her next
>husband, and then left #2 who turned out to be dangerous crazy.
>
>She moved back to where my husband was, and he started visiting his
>son. When the boys were old enough, he took both of them out on
>visiting day. As they grew older, he went to parent teacher
>meetings, plays, pagents, exhibitions, recitals, etc. for both boys.
> When we married, I inherited 2 sons, and a friend, his first wife.
>My duaghter has 2 big brothers, not half or step brothers.
The Jewish BRADY BUNCH ? :-)
>
>All by way of saying, it's not the legalities but the love that
>makes the family.
>
Josh
>maxine in ri
Jonathan J. Baker
>From: maxine in ri <wee...@hotmail.coma>
>>My husband's first wife left him, had a second child with her next
>>husband, and then left #2 who turned out to be dangerous crazy.
>>She moved back to where my husband was, and he started visiting his
>>son. When the boys were old enough, he took both of them out on
>>visiting day. As they grew older, he went to parent teacher
>>meetings, plays, pagents, exhibitions, recitals, etc. for both boys.
>> When we married, I inherited 2 sons, and a friend, his first wife.
>>My duaghter has 2 big brothers, not half or step brothers.
>The Jewish BRADY BUNCH ? :-)
I did know a Brady Bunch family once. I have a friend in NJ,
whose parents were each married before they married each other,
and each had 3 kids from their first marriages. So he has much
older brothers & sisters, to the point where, when he was 21, he
had a 14-year-old nephew (who incidentally was a cello prodigy).
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