Who shall live and who shall die, tra-la-la-la-la!
Dr. Shlomo Argamon (Engelson)
Does it bother anyone else how much, in recent years, ba`alei tefillah
on the High Holydays use catchy, upbeat, singalong tunes for the
various piyutim in the service? For example, the leader at the place
I went to for Qol Nidrei had a very nice voice and didn't "fardrey",
but did too much "smiley-singy" stuff. He used, for example, a very
upbeat, popular tune (I forget which) for "Ki hinei kahhomer" [For we
are as clay in Your Hands] which is not exactly a drinking song!
This, despite the fact that there are quite a few singable tunes for
that particular piyut which give it the proper note of solemnity.
Note that I am not talking about the very idea of singing along with
the hazzan for the piyutim - indeed, it can be a great improvement
over the "mumble and don't sweat comprehension" method of saying them;
nor am I (right now, anyway) complaining about the incursion of
pop-music into davening (thankfully, there was none of that where I
was).
But *why* do otherwise very competent ba`alei tefilla feel the need to
inject happy-go-lucky melodies into the Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kipper
davening where they do not belong? (And yes, I agree that happy tunes
do belong in some places, but not most.) Do others feel as I do? Or
am I just becoming a curmudgeon as I get older?
I should note that the subject of this post is also the title of an
article by Rav Yehuda Herzl Henkin on this topic; IIRC he also
discussed the loss of traditional melodies (which may partly explain
the problem).
Shavua` tov, Hhodesh tov, Shanah tovah!
-Shlomo-
R
>
> Does it bother anyone else how much, in recent years, ba`alei tefillah
> on the High Holydays use catchy, upbeat, singalong tunes for the
> various piyutim in the service? For example, the leader at the place
> I went to for Qol Nidrei had a very nice voice and didn't "fardrey",
> but did too much "smiley-singy" stuff. He used, for example, a very
> upbeat, popular tune (I forget which) for "Ki hinei kahhomer" [For we
> are as clay in Your Hands] which is not exactly a drinking song!
> This, despite the fact that there are quite a few singable tunes for
> that particular piyut which give it the proper note of solemnity.
> Note that I am not talking about the very idea of singing along with
> the hazzan for the piyutim - indeed, it can be a great improvement
> over the "mumble and don't sweat comprehension" method of saying them;
> nor am I (right now, anyway) complaining about the incursion of
> pop-music into davening (thankfully, there was none of that where I
> was).
I don't mind a bit of upbeat tunefulness once in a while, even on
solemn occassions. But my favorite wa the chazan and choir who
did Geshem and Tal (supply your own tune):
Chazan: "Livracha, velo liklala."
Choir: "Liklala! Liklala! Liklala!"
Chazan: "Lechayim, velo lamaves."
Choir: "Lamaves! Lamaves! Lamaves!"
Chazan: "Lesova vel lerazon."
Choir: "Lerazon! Lerazon! Lerazon!"
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
>
>
> Does it bother anyone else how much, in recent years, ba`alei tefillah
> on the High Holydays use catchy, upbeat, singalong tunes for the
> various piyutim in the service? For example, the leader at the place
> I went to for Qol Nidrei had a very nice voice and didn't "fardrey",
> but did too much "smiley-singy" stuff. He used, for example, a very
> upbeat, popular tune (I forget which) for "Ki hinei kahhomer" [For we
> are as clay in Your Hands] which is not exactly a drinking song!
> This, despite the fact that there are quite a few singable tunes for
> that particular piyut which give it the proper note of solemnity.
> Note that I am not talking about the very idea of singing along with
> the hazzan for the piyutim - indeed, it can be a great improvement
> over the "mumble and don't sweat comprehension" method of saying them;
> nor am I (right now, anyway) complaining about the incursion of
> pop-music into davening (thankfully, there was none of that where I
> was).
>
> But *why* do otherwise very competent ba`alei tefilla feel the need to
> inject happy-go-lucky melodies into the Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kipper
> davening where they do not belong? (And yes, I agree that happy tunes
Because they're not familiar with traditional NUSSACH (melody).
> do belong in some places, but not most.) Do others feel as I do? Or
> am I just becoming a curmudgeon as I get older?
I agree with you 101%. If I wanted to go to a Carlebach minyan, I'd go
to one (not that I'd ever want to).
>
> I should note that the subject of this post is also the title of an
> article by Rav Yehuda Herzl Henkin on this topic; IIRC he also
> discussed the loss of traditional melodies (which may partly explain
> the problem).
>
My relative Cantor Sherwood Goffin also mourns the demise of traditional
NUSSACH.
> Shavua` tov, Hhodesh tov, Shanah tovah!
>
> -Shlomo-
Josh
R
>
> on the High Holydays use catchy, upbeat, singalong tunes for the
> various piyutim in the service? For example, the leader at the place
> I went to for Qol Nidrei had a very nice voice and didn't "fardrey",
> but did too much "smiley-singy" stuff. He used, for example, a very
> upbeat, popular tune (I forget which) for "Ki hinei kahhomer" [For we
> are as clay in Your Hands] which is not exactly a drinking song!
> This, despite the fact that there are quite a few singable tunes for
> that particular piyut which give it the proper note of solemnity.
> Note that I am not talking about the very idea of singing along with
> the hazzan for the piyutim - indeed, it can be a great improvement
> over the "mumble and don't sweat comprehension" method of saying them;
> nor am I (right now, anyway) complaining about the incursion of
> pop-music into davening (thankfully, there was none of that where I
> was).
I don't mind a bit of upbeat tunefulness once in a while, even on
I Schier
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>
>
> Does it bother anyone else how much, in recent years, ba`alei tefillah
> on the High Holydays use catchy, upbeat, singalong tunes for the
> various piyutim in the service? For example, the leader at the place
> I went to for Qol Nidrei had a very nice voice and didn't "fardrey",
> but did too much "smiley-singy" stuff. He used, for example, a very
> upbeat, popular tune (I forget which) for "Ki hinei kahhomer" [For we
> are as clay in Your Hands] which is not exactly a drinking song!
> This, despite the fact that there are quite a few singable tunes for
> that particular piyut which give it the proper note of solemnity.
> Note that I am not talking about the very idea of singing along with
> the hazzan for the piyutim - indeed, it can be a great improvement
> over the "mumble and don't sweat comprehension" method of saying them;
> nor am I (right now, anyway) complaining about the incursion of
> pop-music into davening (thankfully, there was none of that where I
> was).
>
> But *why* do otherwise very competent ba`alei tefilla feel the need to
> inject happy-go-lucky melodies into the Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kipper
> davening where they do not belong? (And yes, I agree that happy tunes
> do belong in some places, but not most.) Do others feel as I do? Or
> am I just becoming a curmudgeon as I get older?
In Creedmoor, they sang Unesaneh Tokef to Another One Bites the Dust. Al
Chet was sung to Britney Spears' "Oops, I did it again!" Then again, I do
not know how many of the original words the Creedmoorimlach used this year.
IS
Creedmoor Chronicles
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>
>
> on the High Holydays use catchy, upbeat, singalong tunes for the
> various piyutim in the service? For example, the leader at the place
> I went to for Qol Nidrei had a very nice voice and didn't "fardrey",
> but did too much "smiley-singy" stuff. He used, for example, a very
> upbeat, popular tune (I forget which) for "Ki hinei kahhomer" [For we
> are as clay in Your Hands] which is not exactly a drinking song!
> This, despite the fact that there are quite a few singable tunes for
> that particular piyut which give it the proper note of solemnity.
In Creedmoor, they sang Unesaneh Tokef to Another One Bites the Dust. Al
Eliyahu Rooff
> "Dr. Shlomo Argamon (Engelson)" wrote:
> >
> > Does it bother anyone else how much, in recent years, ba`alei tefillah
> > on the High Holydays use catchy, upbeat, singalong tunes for the
> > various piyutim in the service?
I'll trade you what we had in Walla Walla for it...
Eliyahu
Harry Weiss
> >
> My relative Cantor Sherwood Goffin also mourns the demise of traditional
> NUSSACH.
Are you related to Micha? (Isn't he related to Cantor Goffin, who was the Chazan at
our wedding 30 years ago)
> > Shavua` tov, Hhodesh tov, Shanah tovah!
> >
> > -Shlomo-
> Josh
--
Harry J. Weiss
hjw...@panix.com
Micha Berger
:> My relative Cantor Sherwood Goffin also mourns the demise of traditional
:> NUSSACH.
: Are you related to Micha? (Isn't he related to Cantor Goffin, who was the Chazan at
: our wedding 30 years ago)
Not really. Josh is related through totally different lines than the ones
I am.
My relationship:
His wife (Batya Goffin) is a fellow descendent of R' Yisrael Avraham
Abba Krieger (rabbi of Kashduri (Lithuania), Frankfurt-am-Mein, and R'
Soloveitchik's predecessor in Boston). My mother is a Krieger.
-mi
--
Micha Berger The mind is a wonderful organ
mi...@aishdas.org for justifying decisions
http://www.aishdas.org the heart already reached.
Fax: (413) 403-9905
Yisroel Markov
(Dr. Shlomo Argamon (Engelson)) said:
>
>
>Does it bother anyone else how much, in recent years, ba`alei tefillah
>on the High Holydays use catchy, upbeat, singalong tunes for the
>various piyutim in the service? For example, the leader at the place
>I went to for Qol Nidrei had a very nice voice and didn't "fardrey",
>but did too much "smiley-singy" stuff. He used, for example, a very
>upbeat, popular tune (I forget which) for "Ki hinei kahhomer" [For we
>are as clay in Your Hands] which is not exactly a drinking song!
>This, despite the fact that there are quite a few singable tunes for
>that particular piyut which give it the proper note of solemnity.
>Note that I am not talking about the very idea of singing along with
>the hazzan for the piyutim - indeed, it can be a great improvement
>over the "mumble and don't sweat comprehension" method of saying them;
>nor am I (right now, anyway) complaining about the incursion of
>pop-music into davening (thankfully, there was none of that where I
>was).
>
>But *why* do otherwise very competent ba`alei tefilla feel the need to
>inject happy-go-lucky melodies into the Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kipper
>davening where they do not belong? (And yes, I agree that happy tunes
>do belong in some places, but not most.) Do others feel as I do? Or
>am I just becoming a curmudgeon as I get older?
I feel as you do. Whether this is due to following you in becoming a
curmudgeon, I'm not qualified to judge. :-)
>I should note that the subject of this post is also the title of an
>article by Rav Yehuda Herzl Henkin on this topic; IIRC he also
>discussed the loss of traditional melodies (which may partly explain
>the problem).
Said article can be found in his book "Equality Lost."
Yisroel "Godwrestler Warriorson" Markov - Boston, MA Member
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Henry Goodman
"R" <rut...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:3F82DE09...@verizon.net...
>
> I don't mind a bit of upbeat tunefulness once in a while, even on
> solemn occassions. But my favorite wa the chazan and choir who
> did Geshem and Tal (supply your own tune):
>
> Chazan: "Livracha, velo liklala."
>
> Choir: "Liklala! Liklala! Liklala!"
>
> Chazan: "Lechayim, velo lamaves."
>
> Choir: "Lamaves! Lamaves! Lamaves!"
>
> Chazan: "Lesova vel lerazon."
>
> Choir: "Lerazon! Lerazon! Lerazon!"
Thanks for that. The funniest post I have seen for a long time.
--
Henry Goodman
henry dot goodman at virgin dot net
bac...@vms.huji.ac.il
> bac...@vms.huji.ac.il wrote:
>> >
>
>
>> My relative Cantor Sherwood Goffin also mourns the demise of traditional
>> NUSSACH.
>
>
> Are you related to Micha? (Isn't he related to Cantor Goffin, who was the Chazan at
> our wedding 30 years ago)
Sherwood's son married my niece.
Josh
Dr. Shlomo Argamon (Engelson)
ey.m...@iname.com (Yisroel Markov) writes:
I guess, from our sample of two, we can say: "It happens to the best
of us!" :-)
> >I should note that the subject of this post is also the title of an
> >article by Rav Yehuda Herzl Henkin on this topic; IIRC he also
> >discussed the loss of traditional melodies (which may partly explain
> >the problem).
>
> Said article can be found in his book "Equality Lost."
I guess I have to get the book, already.
> Yisroel "Godwrestler Warriorson" Markov - Boston, MA Member
-Shlomo "Peaceman Purple" Argamon-
Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd
> I don't mind a bit of upbeat tunefulness once in a while, even on
> solemn occassions. But my favorite wa the chazan and choir who
> did Geshem and Tal (supply your own tune):
>
> Chazan: "Livracha, velo liklala."
>
> Choir: "Liklala! Liklala! Liklala!"
Creedmoor, Creedmoor, Creedmoor! This year at Chaval House of Creedmoor,
they used the nigun Vayehi Biyemei Ahashverosh for Kol Nidre. Listen, yom
ki-purim, and in any case they were all shotim!
IS
Joseph Hertzlinger
Negodki
> Does it bother anyone else how much, in recent years, ba`alei tefillah
> on the High Holydays use catchy, upbeat, singalong tunes for the
> various piyutim in the service?
It bothers me, from two perspectives. Firstly, I'm a traditionalist, and
changes to the melodies just seem "wrong". I don't mind singing birchat
hamazon to the tune of "Strawberry Fields for Ever", or doing Chad Ga Yo in
Arabic, but I think High Holidays music should sound like High Holidays
music.
Secondly, and more importantly, I learned that the traditional tunes for the
High Holidays are those used in the Beit haMikdosh, which is why there is
only one nussach. If this is true, then we have no right to change them, or
jazz them up. [However, I believe this only applies to the torah reading and
tefillah, not the piyuttim.]
On the other hand, perhaps the tunes that I consider to be "traditional"
where once considered to be innovative and inappropriate?
Susan Cohen
"Negodki" <neg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "Dr. Shlomo Argamon (Engelson)" wrote:
>
> > Does it bother anyone else how much, in recent years, ba`alei tefillah
> > on the High Holydays use catchy, upbeat, singalong tunes for the
> > various piyutim in the service?
>
> It bothers me, from two perspectives. Firstly, I'm a traditionalist, and
> changes to the melodies just seem "wrong". I don't mind singing birchat
> hamazon to the tune of "Strawberry Fields for Ever", or doing Chad Ga Yo
in
> Arabic, but I think High Holidays music should sound like High Holidays
> music.
I suppose NCSY were we did Adon Olam to the William Tell Overture (otherwise
known as tune to "The Lone Ranger") would have given you apoplexy....
I suppose it *was* disespectful,. but they *were* trying to show kids that
religion isn't stuffy.
Susan
Eliyahu Rooff
"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
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parts in a compilation... Here are what some of us had to suggest for tunes:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Which is why, when I introduce tunes from the SF/filk canon into
Adon Olam or whatever, I do stick to the slow, majestic tunes:
Twa Corbies, The Minstrel Boy, Fire in the Sky.
It consists of 10 lines, or 5 (in the Sefardi nusach, 12 lines -> 6)
stanzas of 2 lines each, each line is 4 iambs: aDON oLAM aSHER maLACH...
Which fits a lot of things, whether they have lines of 4 or 7 or 8
iambs - the tune can be stretched for the 7-iamb lines, such as
Amazing Grace (which my wife once heard in a Conservative synagogue)
Any tune that can be sung ABABA works.
> They say they change the list a little every once in a while as there are
so
> many. But I think they have occasionally included "Ave Maria" and "Silent
> Night." It's quite a funny number, no matter which variation you hear.
>
> When I was a BBYO advisor back in college, the kids liked using the themes
> from Sesame Street and Mickey Mouse Club. Back then, my favorite was
> "Suicide is Painless (Theme from MASH)," but then again, I was a college
> student trying to get into a law school.
I've heard of doing it to "Yankee Doodle" on the Fourth of July, but "Rock
:>Around the Clock" is a new one for me. I'll have to mention it to our
:>cantor.
: Oh, we did it to the Banana Splits theme up at camp. Next to Yankee
: Doodle, it was about the fastest. I've never heard a tune faster than
: Yankee Doodle, though.
I've done it to the Star Wars theme and Pink Floyd's "Brain Damage" (but
then i did an entire Kabbalat Shabbat to R.E.M.'s _Automatic for the
People_).
That's because the words fit just about *any* tune. At an aufruf I was
> > > at a few months ago, the groom's uncle did Adon Olam to the tune of
> > > "Rock Around The Clock". It worked amazingly well - it sounded like a
> > > one-man band on the bimah! I also recall one guy who did it to "Jimmy
> > > Crack Corn". That worked really well, too. At my son's daycare, they
do
> > > it to "This old man
One
: wouldn't jazz up the Kedushah. . .
Why not? Chazzanim have been writing fancy versions of the Kedushah for
years. And there are lots of tunes that fit the words quite well -- e.g.
several of the Brahms Hungarian dances (which are just folk tune ripoffs
anyway), the movement of Kodaly's "Hary Janos Suite" that uses the cimbalom,
and any number of college fight songs. I'll admit that I never had the
guts to do it to the opening of Prokofiev's Second Piano Concerto, but
the words *do* fit. . .
If you want to borrow Christian hymn melodies for Adon Olam, you can't do
better than the classic Easter hymn "Chrxst the Lord is Risen Today".
It's a glorious melody that fits the words for Adon Olam perfectly, but
somehow, the idea seems a bit on the outrageous side.
Of course, if you want outrage, you can fit Adon Olam to the melody of
"Deutchland Deutchland Ober Alles". Again, a perfect fit, but I can't
imagine doing it in public.
I recall seeing the siddur used by a chazzan whose knowledge of
nusach (the liturgical melodies) was less than stellar. The siddur
was filled with his notes indicating tunes, etc.
Next to the kaddish at the start of Ne'ilah: "Happy Birthday."
And, when you think about it, the opening musical phrases
of Ne'ilah kaddish are indeed close to "Happy Birthday." :-)
Or Yigdal/Hatikvah/The Moldau. A.Z. Idelsohn's book on Jewish Music
has a lot of this material and where it comes from.
R' Rich Wolpoe has noted that the tune for Vene'emar, at the end of
Aleinu, which everybody uses, composed by R' Israel Goldfarb in the
early part of this century, seems to derive from children's songs.
Think about it. Vene'emar, Vehayah Adoshem: Three Blind Mice.
Bayom hahu, bayom hahu: The farmer in the dell.
Eliyahu
Jonathan J. Baker
>Does it bother anyone else how much, in recent years, ba`alei tefillah
>on the High Holydays use catchy, upbeat, singalong tunes for the
>various piyutim in the service? For example, the leader at the place
>I went to for Qol Nidrei had a very nice voice and didn't "fardrey",
>but did too much "smiley-singy" stuff. He used, for example, a very
>upbeat, popular tune (I forget which) for "Ki hinei kahhomer" [For we
>are as clay in Your Hands] which is not exactly a drinking song!
>This, despite the fact that there are quite a few singable tunes for
>that particular piyut which give it the proper note of solemnity.
I was just thinking about that one myself.
>Note that I am not talking about the very idea of singing along with
>the hazzan for the piyutim - indeed, it can be a great improvement
>over the "mumble and don't sweat comprehension" method of saying them;
>nor am I (right now, anyway) complaining about the incursion of
>pop-music into davening (thankfully, there was none of that where I
>was).
We have this baal-tefillah who founded the shul 17 years ago, who
is the producer of one of the popular Israeli religious singing
groups. He has a lot of these bouncy-singy tunes. They're lots
of fun, but they're not always appropriate, I don't think.
>But *why* do otherwise very competent ba`alei tefilla feel the need to
>inject happy-go-lucky melodies into the Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kipper
>davening where they do not belong? (And yes, I agree that happy tunes
>do belong in some places, but not most.) Do others feel as I do? Or
>am I just becoming a curmudgeon as I get older?
Maybe. Also, people talk about crying on YK, and the decline thereof.
I think some of it just has to do with getting older, then one has
more life experience, and absent friends, to cry about.
--
Jonathan Baker | Ksivechsimetoiveh!
jjb...@panix.com | (It's a contraction, like Shkoiech, or Brshmo)
Hillel Sabba Markowitz
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> >
> > "Negodki" <neg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:vobg3so...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > "Dr. Shlomo Argamon (Engelson)" wrote:
>
> > > > Does it bother anyone else how much, in recent years, ba`alei tefillah
> > > > on the High Holydays use catchy, upbeat, singalong tunes for the
> > > > various piyutim in the service?
> > >
> > > It bothers me, from two perspectives. Firstly, I'm a traditionalist, and
> > > changes to the melodies just seem "wrong". I don't mind singing birchat
> > > hamazon to the tune of "Strawberry Fields for Ever", or doing Chad Ga Yo
> in
> > > Arabic, but I think High Holidays music should sound like High Holidays
> > > music.
> >
> > I suppose NCSY were we did Adon Olam to the William Tell Overture
> (otherwise
> > known as tune to "The Lone Ranger") would have given you apoplexy....
> >
> > I suppose it *was* disespectful,. but they *were* trying to show kids that
> > religion isn't stuffy.
> >
> We had a thread on this topic a couple years ago. I saved some of the best
> parts in a compilation... Here are what some of us had to suggest for tunes:
Actually, in the 60's there was an instrumental release called the
"Poet and the Prophet" which became quite popular which actually was a
tune used for Adon Olam.
I remember, for Pesach 1967, a group of American students had the
second seder in the dorm and we spent an hour or more singing Shir
HaMaalos before benching to many different tunes (including the Marine
Corps Hymn).
--
Hillel (Sabba) Markowitz | Im Ain Ani Li Mi Li
Sabba....@verizon.net | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha
Negodki
> I suppose NCSY were we did Adon Olam to the William Tell Overture
(otherwise
> known as tune to "The Lone Ranger") would have given you apoplexy....
Nah, I like Gioachino Rossini's music. A number of shuls sing Adon Olom to
the tune of "Mademoiselle from Armentieres", and that seems a bit
inappropriate, considering the original lyrics. But it's also a good example
of elevating the vulgar to a more sacred status.
> I suppose it *was* disespectful,. but they *were* trying to show kids that
> religion isn't stuffy.
An admirable goal. But (IMO) the High Holiday services should be decorous
and solemn. Frivolity is inappropriate.
I recall attending a rock concert in Calaveras Country (long, long ago,
before haircuts were invented). Country Joe and the Fish (a rather radical
rock group of the 1960 anti-war gendre) concluded the concert with a medly
of (spirited) classical music. Everyone, old and young, enjoyed it.
Amplified Rossini and Tchaikovsky. What a treat!
Art Werschulz
"Negodki" <neg...@hotmail.com> writes:
> I recall attending a rock concert in Calaveras Country (long, long ago,
> before haircuts were invented). Country Joe and the Fish (a rather radical
> rock group of the 1960 anti-war gendre) concluded the concert with a medly
> of (spirited) classical music. Everyone, old and young, enjoyed it.
> Amplified Rossini and Tchaikovsky. What a treat!
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer did a nice job on Mussorgsky's "Pictures at
an Exhibition".
--
Art Werschulz (a...@comcast.net)
207 Stoughton Ave Cranford NJ 07016
(908) 272-1146
BlackMonk
> news:vobg3so...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > "Dr. Shlomo Argamon (Engelson)" wrote:
> >
> > > Does it bother anyone else how much, in recent years, ba`alei tefillah
> > > on the High Holydays use catchy, upbeat, singalong tunes for the
> > > various piyutim in the service?
> >
> > It bothers me, from two perspectives. Firstly, I'm a traditionalist, and
> > changes to the melodies just seem "wrong". I don't mind singing birchat
> > hamazon to the tune of "Strawberry Fields for Ever", or doing Chad Ga Yo
> in
> > Arabic, but I think High Holidays music should sound like High Holidays
> > music.
>
> I suppose NCSY were we did Adon Olam to the William Tell Overture
(otherwise
>
We did it to the Pepsi theme (otherwise known as "I'd Like To Teach The
World To Sing")
BlackMonk
It's funny, though totally off topic, that when I got an album by them in
High School, my favorite song on it was "I Feel Like I'm Fixing To Die Rag"
and I ignored most of the rest, but when I recently listened to the album
for the first time since them, I liked everything but that song.
Eliyahu Rooff
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not do the job for which it was intended (promoting the sponsor's product)
... It was a Coca Cola ad, not Pepsi. :-)
Eliyahu
BlackMonk
>
> "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > We did it to the Pepsi theme (otherwise known as "I'd Like To Teach The
> > World To Sing")
> >
> Just to show how an ad can be attractive, enjoyable, memorable, and still
> not do the job for which it was intended (promoting the sponsor's product)
> ... It was a Coca Cola ad, not Pepsi. :-)
>
Well, I have had a few decades to forget what product it was for. But your
point is valid. There was that volkswagon ad recently that used Trio's song
"Da Da Da" in the background. It was a clever ad. I even remember seeing a
couple of parodies. But the only impression it left with me was "Wow,
someone remembers that song. Cool." For the longest time, I had no idea what
they were selling.
I suspect the ad did more for Trio than it did for Volkswagon, since they
managed to get their material reissued on CD afterwards.
Fiona
"Art Werschulz" <a...@comcast.net> wrote
> "Negodki" <neg...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > I recall attending a rock concert in Calaveras Country (long, long ago,
> > before haircuts were invented). Country Joe and the Fish (a rather
radical
> > rock group of the 1960 anti-war gendre) concluded the concert with a
medly
> > of (spirited) classical music. Everyone, old and young, enjoyed it.
> > Amplified Rossini and Tchaikovsky. What a treat!
>
> Emerson, Lake, and Palmer did a nice job on Mussorgsky's "Pictures at
> an Exhibition".
ELP also did a nice job of Copland's Fanfare for the Common Man, the
Anglican hymm Jerusalem (Blake/Parry), and Emerson's previous band, the
Nice, did a nice job of America (Bernstein went mad and had it banned in the
USA).
Manfred Mann's Earth Band did a song based around one of the movements from
Holst's Planet Suite, and Rick Wakeman used a number of classical motifs in
his Six Wives of Henry VIII. Then of course he went fully orchestral with
Journey to the Center of the Earth, and the Myths and Legends of King
Arthur.
Boris Gardiner did a reggae version of Ronald Binge's Elizabethan Serenade
(not strictly classical but close) called Elizabethan Reggae. Well worth
playing seriously loud.
If you like jazz, there is Miles Davis's Sketches of Spain based on
Rodrigo's Concierto de Aranjuez and Jacques Loussiers' Bach and Debussy
recordings. Shame Jaco Pastorius didn't do versions of Bach's Cello Suites
before he died, oh, well, guess I'll have to do it.
Speaking of Bach, there is also the classic electro-classical Switched On
Bach by Wendy Carlos.
Fiona
Jonathan J. Baker
>> > > Does it bother anyone else how much, in recent years, ba`alei tefillah
>> > > on the High Holydays use catchy, upbeat, singalong tunes for the
>> > > various piyutim in the service?
>> > It bothers me, from two perspectives. Firstly, I'm a traditionalist, and
>> > changes to the melodies just seem "wrong". I don't mind singing birchat
>> > hamazon to the tune of "Strawberry Fields for Ever", or doing Chad Ga Yo
>> > in Arabic, but I think High Holidays music should sound like High Holidays
>> > music.
>> I suppose NCSY were we did Adon Olam to the William Tell Overture (otherwise
>> known as the tune to "The Lone Ranger") would have given you apoplexy....
>We did it to the Pepsi theme (otherwise known as "I'd Like To Teach The
>World To Sing")
Adon Olam is Greensleeves-complete.
I did it to The Minstrel Boy once, which got the local civil court judge
giggling (he had a lot of Irish friends).
Harry Weiss
Of course my recent memory of Country Joe McDonald is not his famous give
me an F from Woodstock, but give me an S, give me an H, give me an M,
give an A, What do we got. I heard that from him several times at the
Chabad Chanukah at Union Square.
Martin ~ Malaysia
> Then of course he went fully orchestral with
> Journey to the Center of the Earth, and the Myths and Legends of King
> Arthur.
He went even more (!!!) orchestral with Return to the Centre of the Earth in 1997.
YZK
Fiona wrote:
> "Art Werschulz" <a...@comcast.net> wrote
>
>>"Negodki" <neg...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>>I recall attending a rock concert in Calaveras Country (long, long ago,
>>>before haircuts were invented). Country Joe and the Fish (a rather
>
> radical
>
>>>rock group of the 1960 anti-war gendre) concluded the concert with a
>
> medly
>
>>>of (spirited) classical music. Everyone, old and young, enjoyed it.
>>>Amplified Rossini and Tchaikovsky. What a treat!
I remember that group well. I used to play their "I Feel Like I'm Fixin'
to Die Rag" in the barracks in Fort Hood, Texas in 1968. My Southern
redneck first sergeant "loved" it!! :-) (It was a little different
being against the Viet Nam War when you were wearing the uniform)
> ...
> Speaking of Bach, there is also the classic electro-classical Switched On
> Bach by Wendy Carlos.
Not to mention The Swingle Singers' "Bach's Greatest Hits."
>
>
> Fiona
Yaakov K.
Eliyahu Rooff
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mention the similarities between the style of the Swingle Singers and the
traditional niggun of our own musical traditions...
Eliyahu
Eliyahu Rooff
>
>
> Fiona wrote:
> > "Art Werschulz" <a...@comcast.net> wrote
> >
> >>"Negodki" <neg...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I recall attending a rock concert in Calaveras Country (long, long ago,
> >>>before haircuts were invented). Country Joe and the Fish (a rather
> >
> > radical
> >
> >>>rock group of the 1960 anti-war gendre) concluded the concert with a
> >
> > medly
> >
> >>>of (spirited) classical music. Everyone, old and young, enjoyed it.
> >>>Amplified Rossini and Tchaikovsky. What a treat!
>
> I remember that group well. I used to play their "I Feel Like I'm Fixin'
> to Die Rag" in the barracks in Fort Hood, Texas in 1968. My Southern
> redneck first sergeant "loved" it!! :-) (It was a little different
> being against the Viet Nam War when you were wearing the uniform)
> > ...
assigned to a support base back in-country where the Team House had a huge
confederate flag displayed on the wall.
Eliyahu
BlackMonk
>
> "YZK" <yaa...@nyct.net> wrote in message
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> > [ Moderator's Comment: Please get back on Jewish content. hw ]
> mention the similarities between the style of the Swingle Singers and the
> traditional niggun of our own musical traditions...
>
Since this thread has drifted to Jewish music, I guess this is as good a
place as any to ask if anyone knows anything about a performance that took
place at Brandeis Bardin Institute, wher PF Sloan performed with Shlomo
Carlebach? They make an interesting pair, to say the least. I wonder what
they thought of each other.
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> Harry Weiss <hjw...@panix.com> writes:
>> bac...@vms.huji.ac.il wrote:
>>
>>> My relative Cantor Sherwood Goffin also mourns the demise of
>>> traditional NUSSACH.
>>
>> Are you related to Micha? (Isn't he related to Cantor Goffin,
>> who was the Chazan at our wedding 30 years ago)
>
> Sherwood's son married my niece.
Does that make _him_ into _your_ relative?
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
May Eliyahu Chayim ben Sarah Henna (Eliot Shimoff) have a refuah Shlaima.